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I want to talk to you about the shoreline.

I want to talk to you, we right now are adrift in a sea of lies and confusion and chaos.

And when you find yourself in times of confusion,

you have to ask yourself, is this what I want?

Are we getting further away from sanity or closer to it?

History shows civilizations do not thrive on whims,

but we thrive on unwavering principles and truth.

Years ago I said, if you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.

In the grand tapestry of our nation,

disagreements are the threads that we weave together.

Tax rates, parties, policy debates, we can navigate these.

But when we start dismantling the bedrock on which our nation was built,

When we start tampering with the eternal truths, we risk the entire structure collapsing.

And make no mistake: this is not about Hamas.

This is not about Israel.

This is not about

tax policies.

It's not about global warming.

This is about

the entire structure coming down by design.

Consider this.

no matter how grand or opulent or how great

how wonderful

your house is if it is not built on a strong foundation

it's not going to last if that foundation

is universal principles like the sanctity of life or the simple truths found in the guidelines like the Ten Commandments, then you have something solid to build on.

If not, it's a house of cards and the next breeze will send it tumbling.

Our bedrock, our house has been built on bedrock that was so strong, it has taken decades to get us into this weak position.

And you know what?

America may not survive.

But those truths, those principles principles will.

And maybe it's just going to be just a few of us

living by those principles that refuse to give in.

We are now lost in so many different things.

The debates on the House Speaker, the hell is happening there.

Do you realize Rome is burning?

We're lost in the debates now

on who's going to be the speaker.

And we're now arguing about

which one of these two guys that would both be okay,

which one is going to be our savior?

None of them is going to be our savior.

None of them.

You know why?

Because we, the people, are not serious about things.

We're not serious about it.

We have $33 trillion in debt.

And if we were serious about it, then our elected officials would be more serious about it.

But we just think we can have it all.

We're drowning in this debt.

And Republicans, Democrats, I mean, Democrats are actually lighting the fires.

Republicans are just, you know,

playing the fiddle.

while Rome burns.

And what happens?

As we waste this time,

what happens?

You're building the story that Republicans don't know how to rule.

Republicans can't.

Republicans can't take anything seriously.

They'll never get anything done.

Why will they say that?

Because in a very few short weeks, we're going to come up with another budget impasse.

And while we're fiddling around trying to figure out who's going to be the leader,

what's happening?

Nothing.

So we'll we'll have a new CR, a blank check to the big and deep state.

Our country is drowning in debt.

Our citizens are about to experience a greater depression, which most people don't know what it even means because it's never been explained to them.

There are no budget cuts that can be considered.

It's all just, oh, we have to spend all of it.

Instead of seeking the shore, we're told we can fund two wars.

We can do that.

That's what the Treasury Department said yesterday.

Of course we can.

Really?

Meanwhile, there's no budget cuts because we got the two wars, but we also have to continue the study, and I'm not making this up, of the lesbian vagina in the Congo.

Yeah, there's no budget cuts.

Dwight D.

Eisenhower told us about this now, where he was a military man, a military man.

And in his farewell address, everybody remembers him warning of the undue influence of the military industrial complex.

But that's not just what he said.

He said the military, scientific, and educational industrial complex.

He cautioned us about the potential rise of a disastrous rise of misplaced power.

That the military, the science, and the educational systems would all be gathered

around money, and they would serve the master of money through the government.

And we're seeing it.

We're also seeing this ugly head rise up in what used to be called the free marketplace.

I want you to listen to something, a show I did in 2011 while I was still at Fox.

Listen to this.

There are three groups of people.

Three groups of people.

They want a new world order.

One, this is your choice.

One, one world government.

This is open society.

This is the United Nations, whatever you want to call it, one world government.

They have lots of money, lots of power, and they have NGOs, non-governmental organizations.

They getting that one done.

They're organized.

This one, this is the Caliphate if you're in Iran or Turkey.

This one is the United Islamic Nations.

This is the one the Muslim Brotherhood is going for now.

But it all looked like this.

It's a new world order.

And they have, they're organized too.

They They have the religion and the mosques and apparently help from Google as well, at least in Europe, or I mean, I'm sorry, in Egypt.

And then you have this one, workers' union, or they call it state capitalism.

Really, what it is is just good old-fashioned communism.

They have the unions and community organizing, but they're organized.

They're moving forward.

As George Soros told me, There is already the ship has sailed and it is moving on.

Really?

Has it?

Well, these three are sailing.

They are sailing.

What I told you at the time is happening right now.

You've got the Islamists, you have the Communists and the Socialists,

and you have

the One World Order people all coming together, working together.

Did you see that in Los Angeles, the Palestinian signs were not just in support of Hamas, but also for DEI?

What?

What?

What?

How's that happening?

They're all working together.

Now, what is in our national interest, America?

A war?

No.

A return to truth, and that doesn't cost a dime.

It's a treacherous path when government forgets its proper role.

And we allow the weeds of chaos to strangle the roots of our foundational principles.

Water will wet.

Fire will burn.

That is always true.

These are unwavering, undeniable truths.

And just like these truths, they are principles that the nation was built on.

Being the United States, United States, is not just a title.

It's a declaration.

It's a promise.

It's a commitment to come together despite our differences.

But that is not possible if you don't have principles.

If you don't have...

principles, what are you coming around?

What is bringing you together?

It's really not hard, but it requires you to sift through the noise, through the chaos.

It demands that we reject the falsehoods, the deception, and the lies.

To unite,

we have to remember the things that our grandparents and our great-grandparents, all the way down to our pilgrims, held dear.

Because if we want to be the beacon of hope, the symbol of freedom, hell, if we just want our children not to be slaves, then we have to anchor ourselves to universal principles.

I'm sorry, I know it's very fashionable to say all kinds of lies today.

I know it's very fashionable to be open-minded and say, well, I don't know Hamas.

What don't you know about Hamas?

What don't you know about Hamas?

And what don't you know about Israel?

Israel is exactly like us.

They're good sometimes, bad sometimes.

Hamas,

bad, always,

always.

They are a culture of death, and we have embraced a culture of death.

We got to find our way back to the truth.

We have to hold fast to the principles that have stood the test of time, our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and our Bill of Rights.

If we don't, we are going to be swept up in the winds of change.

As you look at the news today, remember: principles and truths are not just words, they are the bedrock of our civilization.

And as we ponder our path forward,

let's make sure we're looking past the fancy, old-timey, dusty words

and look at those words and find the underlying, meaningful,

and everlasting truths.

That is what will make us united

and unshakable.

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Skip Mowen is with us.

He was on with us a couple of weeks ago.

He was fascinating,

talking about how the Beatitudes have been mistranslated, and it's so much more beautiful and deep the way he has explained it.

But we wanted to get him on to talk a little bit about good and evil and

what is the solution here.

He's written a great article.

You can find it at skipmowen.com

about

what the biblical solution is, but he says nobody's ever going to want to do it, but I don't know.

I think we've we've tried everything else.

Maybe we should go with God's plan.

Skip, welcome.

Thank you, Glenn.

And yeah, it's a good idea.

Let's go with God's plan.

Yeah.

So

the solution to the inhumanity of

humans or Hamas in this case.

Yeah,

you know, I'd like to make a little caveat first.

I have never been to Gaza.

I've been to Israel many times.

I have friends who live there.

I know a lot of rabbis there.

I've been to the West Bank.

And so my perspective will be

on the side of Israel's struggle against this evil in order for them to have peace.

I recognize that there are huge humanitarian issues,

but I think that we have to back up a little bit and remember that this conflict really isn't a conflict about the issues of Gaza and its political and social environment.

It's a conflict between those who wish to exterminate the Jew at any cost, the real enemy, the evil part of that, and the rest of the world.

It's not just about Israel.

It's about do we allow

humans who are absolutely intent on

the obliteration of an entire ethnic group or a race or whatever it happens to be, do we allow them to continue?

Or do we stand up and do something about it?

Well, why is it that we always seem to get to this place and then we turn a blind eye?

For instance, this is what happened in Germany.

Hitler was very clear on what he was going to do, but then he hid it.

These people aren't hiding it.

It is in their mission statements, their charter.

They say it all the time.

People who are protesting for them on the streets all over the world are saying, you know, death to the Jews, death to Israel, gas the Jews.

And yet we always seem to say, well, no, they don't really mean that.

You know, I think that that is definitely part of the problem, but that comes about because I think in our West,

in the modern Western world, we have succumbed to

the Enlightenment delusion of the goodness of all all men, and we have been lulled to sleep by a church that has preached Goddess Love

without talking about the other side of the coin.

I mean, the biblical model is pretty clear.

God is love, and he expects people to

respond to that love with a kind of character and society that reflects his character and society.

But the point is that there is another side of the coin, and and

the principal examples of that in the biblical world are the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, what happens to Elimelech.

There are plenty of

examples of harsh judgment when

it's determined that

the population is beyond redemptive qualities, that it no longer exhibits those kinds of behaviors that qualify them as part of human society.

And I think when we see that happen, you know,

we are, I mean, clearly God takes care of some of that stuff in the Bible.

And I think we,

as men who want to, men and women who want to reflect his character, we have to do the same.

We have to remember that this isn't just, you know, an issue over some humanitarian crisis.

This is an issue about whether or not

we have the fortitude to stand up for what's right.

Or if we even know what's right anymore.

And the judgment comes harsher on those who claim, I think, to be on the side of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob when they fail

than it does even sometimes on the enemies.

They seem to continue to go on, but

the nations, and I'm speaking here of ours and Israel, the nations that make a covenant with God and claim to be on God's side, when

they stop, they're allowed to feel the full repercussions of what they've sown.

Yeah,

I think, again,

it's a problem with our current theology that teaches us that God is love and he loves everyone and we should love everyone.

And we've forgotten the element of wrath that comes along behind that, that says, you know, there is a responsibility

toward peace and

loving kindness toward others.

And when you fail in that, there's a judgment that comes.

You know,

it reminds me, Glenn, of the terrible decision that Truman had to make in dropping the atomic bomb on Japan.

I mean,

certainly there were humanitarian issues involved.

But it was also,

in a split second, the end of the war.

I mean, it just finished everything

that needed to be stopped in order for the war to not continue on and on and on

in a slow way.

And I think that

Israel faces the same thing.

You cannot allow an organization, as you said, whose very constitution calls for the obliteration of every one of your citizens.

That's society.

That's a culture of death.

And that's

That's also why the rest of the Arab world will not take them in.

Because

every time they come in, there's a civil war in their nation.

And

it's a seed of chaos.

So what are you saying that

Israel just goes until there's nothing left?

You know, I don't want people to be confused about the

Palestinian people who are not subject or part of the Hamas movement, because certainly there are some.

The problem is sorting it out.

The problem is that Hamas controls that environment in such a way that

they use

those people to accomplish their own purposes.

You can't, you know, it's not possible to eradicate Hamas without collateral damage.

It just isn't possible because of the way that they operate, right?

But the point is you have to eradicate them.

If you don't, you will,

you know, you remember when Joshua mistakenly makes a treaty with a group of people, God has said to him, listen, I want the land cleaned of all these people so that when

they occupy it, there's no corruption.

And he mistakenly makes a treaty with people who misrepresent who they are, are, and he makes a covenant with them, and then he keeps that promise.

And of course,

what happens is, over the next generations, that mistake grows and fosters an entire

resident population within the land that causes nothing but chaos and destruction from that point on.

And I think that's what Israel faces here.

If they don't exterminate this issue, it will continue.

It will just spring up someplace else.

And your point.

Okay, hang on just a second because you use the word exterminate.

I want to make sure.

Yes.

Exterminate Hamas, not exterminate all Palestinians.

Yeah, that's right.

You're after Hamas.

This is an issue about evil.

It's not an issue about people, right?

It's an issue about how do you combat true evil in the world.

And your point about the Arab nations not wanting them is a really clear indication that there's a real problem here.

Right.

It's not just Israel's problem.

Is this any different than what we had in World War II?

I mean, with the Nazis, we didn't want to kill all of the Germans, but we'll kill enough of the Germans until they start saying, no, we're not part of this.

We want nothing to do with the Nazis.

Yeah, I think it's very similar.

But there's one important exception, and that is that

Germany,

the war that Germany started,

that Hitler started,

was not based in a religious ideal.

And Hamas is basically,

their thinking is basically

a religious idea that allows no negotiation, no surrender, and no qualification at all.

In other words,

they will...

attempt to achieve their objective no matter what the cost is to the people people around them or to themselves.

Because in their mind, there's only one objective, and that's the extermination of all Jews.

And it doesn't matter if it takes every single one of them to do it, which is why negotiating or trying to come up with a political solution is never going to work.

It just

won't happen.

Skip, as a

Bible scholar,

you...

you must see, you know, Gog, Magog, Russia, Iran, never been in alliance before.

They're in an alliance now.

The words of those followers in Iran, all of the clerics are what are called 12vers.

They believe in the 12th Imam, and I believe their good guy is our bad guy, and our good guy is their bad guy

in their end times philosophies and stories.

And they're talking about this is the war to

bring in the promised one.

They're talking about a war that is biblical in nature.

How concerned are you of this getting into a global war and something that at least looks an awful lot like

end times kind of predictions?

Yeah,

certainly there's a concern because an ideological war

doesn't function in the same way that any past war that we're aware of in the modern history, right?

Our wars were all based on basically

gain and loss.

So we went to war when we thought we could achieve a victory with the reasonable results and have some positive impact for ourselves.

But an ideological war doesn't work that way.

And as you pointed out, a religious war

has

you know, has a purpose.

Its only purpose is to fulfill the mission that God gives you.

And

in this case, if God gives them the mission that means that they will bring about the end of the world, then their eschatological concern really motivates this

fervor,

this insane

behavior, and justifies it all because, in the end, you're cleaning the world for the coming of the

12th Imam or the Messiah, right?

Yeah, their Messiah, not ours.

Skip,

thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

If you want to read more from Skip, we'd love to have you on again.

SkipMowen.com, skipmowen.com.

Best of everything to you.

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Andrew Tobin is with us now.

Hi, Andrew.

Hi, Glenn.

It is nice to

talk to you.

First, let's get an update from

what's happening there.

I know the president just gave a speech to Israel and the world.

What does that mean to people who are in Israel?

And how is it going to be viewed in the Middle East?

Yes, thank you for having me.

Yeah, President Biden just arrived,

gave a speech, and he also

backed the

Israeli take on the blast at the Gaza hospital.

I noted that U.S.

intelligence also

confirms Israeli intelligence has concluded that that was

an Islamic jihad rocket and not an Israeli rocket, as so many

in the international and U.S.

media falsely reported.

I think that people, we've been, so far, I think Israelis are skeptical people.

And

I don't think anyone is expecting the Biden administration to

necessarily save Israel, but I think we've so far been, people here have been pleasantly surprised by Biden's backing of Israel, at least rhetorically, given his record with Iran and some of the rhetoric by members of the Democratic Party in Washington, D.C.

Horrible.

Horrible.

So, I mean, Israel is the one ally that we have that, you know, while they are asking for aid, they're the one ally that is like, well, no, no, no, no, no.

You're not going to fight our battles.

We'll fight our battle.

You just want some cover and somebody saying, no, Israel has a right to do that,

which is odd.

And the only ally that we have that is very capable.

of fighting their own battle.

But this looks like it is going into a regional war quickly.

Is that your take on the ground there?

That is the fear.

Yeah.

Things are heating up with Hezbollah in the north,

with even in Syria.

There's been some

some

exchanges of fire.

And of course, Israel is now preparing to

or is seems to be preparing to launch a ground assault into the Gaza Strip, which is,

where the Hamas terrorists came from on October 7th.

So, yeah, we

and actually, in following the

false reporting

and the false claims from the Palestinians about the hospital bombing, things have, as you mentioned, things have become much more inflamed as far as protests in the West Bank,

mobs surrounding U.S.

embassies,

including in Lebanon and Beirut.

So yeah, things appear to be escalating.

I don't know.

I don't think anyone knows for sure

where it's going.

And maybe

I think most Israelis hope that it does not

That the war is contained to the Gaza Strip and that we can deal with the terrorists who came and

slaughtered our civilians and took a couple hundred of them hostage without having to fight a regional war.

But it's definitely a very real possibility that things could escalate.

Yeah, and that's not going to stay a regional war.

That'll go global, unfortunately, I fear.

There's an opinion poll

that I read in your article.

Four in five Jewish Israelis blame the government for the rampage.

What does that mean exactly?

Yeah, there was actually

another poll that came out either yesterday or today in an

Israeli newspaper that

showed an even higher number.

I think it was 94% of Israelis think the government is to blame for this.

It's been in it's basically it was a massive intelligence and

military failure, or at least that's what it appears to, or I think we can just say that definitively.

It was a massive intelligence and military failure that

these,

what we're kind of seen as

barbarian terrorists, not a particularly sophisticated group, were able to burst across the high-tech Israeli border and do so much damage.

And the border remained unsecured for

many hours, I believe days.

There were still,

there were regular Palestinian citizens from Gaza, not affiliated with Hamas, streaming into the country, participating in the atrocities, holding people hostage, robbing them.

There's reports that they were involved in rapes and assaults and kidnappings.

So it was a massive failure to predict that.

Apparently,

there were indications and it should have been detected

and to

prevent it and to deal with, you know, it took, there's heroic stories of Israeli soldiers.

I was seeing on Israeli TV last night.

There was one young man who killed dozens and dozens of terrorists

in a small Israeli village near the border.

But he was just on his own with

a couple of his friends,

you know, like

basically

fighting Hamas terrorists as they continue to flood in and no one came to the rescue.

So people are very,

people, Israel is a diverse country.

People don't always know that.

Half of the country is

Jews from the Middle East who were actually expelled by the Arab countries and forced to

take shelter or to move to Israel.

And there's lots of different types of

Christians and there's different types of Jews and there's

even quite a few Jews, the Jews from Russia and African

diverse and sometimes if you've ever been to Israel or just around Jewish people, I'm telling you, you have two rabbis, you have five opinions.

I mean, it's like, it's crazy.

And then we have Arabs and

it's complicated.

So we are a very divided country and we've had our fair share of

beefs and quarrels lately.

But this event, as you might expect, kind of like after 9-11 in the United States, united everyone, has united everyone.

And

it's been a real national effort to

recover from this and to rally for a war in response to this.

But at the same time, people have apparently lost all faith in the government.

So it's a very kind of grassroots effort.

And

it's not

being led by our politicians.

In fact, yeah,

it's widely anticipated that after this war, there will be a reckoning and

kind of a house cleaning.

Is this

translating over also to negotiating with Hamas all the time?

I mean, is the idea, at least the feeling that we have here, is Israel's had enough of this little game of we want a two-state solution.

No, you don't.

No, you don't.

You know, and

you're barbarians and

we can't deal with you.

Or is what's happening to the rest of the world?

Like, you know, no, wait a minute, wait a minute, let's not be too rash here.

Is that happening at all in Israel?

Yes,

I think in Israel,

there has been, I think the idea of a two-state solution has been kind of was discredited in Israel

long before

this.

The U.S.

and American Jews caught up.

So there isn't a lot of faith in a two-state solution.

It's pretty clear that there's no partner for peace right now.

Even those who would very much like to see peace, which is probably a majority of the country, still holds out hope.

But no one expects it anytime soon.

This has definitely,

no one is talking about

reconciliation right now.

This has definitely kind of driven home the point that

Israel has to fight for its existence and there's no one to talk to about a two-state solution at the moment.

We are seeing some really frightening things here in America and all over the world, London, with these Palestinian support groups that are,

you know,

exhilarated is the quote from one

college professor

by the killing and the killing of innocents and

the executions that happened by Gaza.

And

there are some politicians now here in America saying, maybe we should

deport some of these people.

Can the rest of the world live with the Palestinians?

How do you know who the good Palestinians are and who the bad Palestinians are?

That's a tough question.

I think what I could say,

I, by the way, have been a reporter in Israel for,

I'm an American Jew.

My father is Jewish, and I grew up in the U.S.

And I moved here about a decade ago to report.

And

I met an Israeli girl and fell in love and started a family.

And now

I've been stuck here ever since.

Happily stuck here for the most part, but stuck here.

So I'm Israeli now, and I live an Israeli life, but

I'm American

first and foremost in some ways.

And

I have been

really appalled

by the response from

parts of the left and the media in the U.S.

to this.

And I think a lot of even liberal American Jews are kind of waking up that there's a bigger problem here, that you see so much of

an overlap between a kind of radical Islamist ideology and what's supposed to be progressive worldview and just

the hatred of

America and Israel and

the West in general,

the rejection of kind of liberal, basic liberal principles about

equality under the law and

all people being equal and more of a worldview that's about oppression and power and vengeance and retribution.

And yeah, it's been very, very disheartening, worse than I would have even expected in a lot of ways.

There have been some, you know, there's been some bright spots, of course.

Biden has been less bad than feared.

And there's been some sympathy for Israel and the media and everything.

But you know, yeah, you see what the reviewers believe on Omar, Black Lives Matter, and the Harvard students.

And you see the, you know, the really atrocious reporting on this on this hospital blast that that

um was pretty clearly carried out or maybe it was an accident but it's clearly pretty clearly um the result of a Palestinian rocket and you had the New York Times and so much of of the US media taking as fact the word of

of Hamas terrorists uh as far as what happened and how many people were killed and all that and I think that's just that that actual event yesterday

was really kind of uh a good microcosm or it was very revealing about a larger trend that isn't always quite so blatant and explicit with

the media's tendency to just

the left sympathy to the Palestinian cause and the media's tendency to take

terrorists at their word.

We're talking to Andrew Tobin.

I'm sorry we have a delay on the phone.

Washington Free Beacon deputy editor.

He's an American, lives there, has family there.

He's been instructed, come home by the U.S.

State Department.

He won't.

Why?

Why do you live there?

It's a question that some people would ask.

Andrew, I have 90 seconds.

Answer for me the question, why would you just keep your family in danger by staying there?

Why not leave Israel?

We considered that

the potential need to leave to protect our young son, who's four years old, and

my wife is

seven and a half months or so pregnant.

So there was,

we didn't dismiss the idea of leaving outright, but

my wife's family is here.

Her brother is a commando soldier who was returning from the U.S., actually, where he was living to fight this war.

Her sister is in the military.

Her base was overrun by these terrorists.

We have a community here to support.

And

that's one thing.

And the other thing is we, like you said,

we feel the need to be here kind of in solidarity with the Jewish nation, which doesn't have anywhere else to go.

And this is a fight that we have to win.

And

I think in some ways it's a fight for

against all these forces we've been talking about.

enemies of freedom around the world.

Yeah.

Andrew, I appreciate it.

Thank you so much for talking to us.

If there is anything that we or, you know, that I or my audience can do to help, you please feel free to jump on the phone with us immediately.

Andrew Tobin from the Washington Free Beacon deputy editor will be praying for you and your family and the birth of your

next child.

Godspeed.

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