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and Alyssa are always trying to outdo each other.

When Alyssa got a small water bottle, Mike showed up with a four-litre jug.

When Mike started gardening, Alyssa started beekeeping.

Oh, come on.

They called a truce for their holiday and used Expedia Trip Planner to collaborate on all the details of their trip.

Once there, Mike still did more laps around the pool.

Whatever.

You were made to outdo your holidays.

We were made to help organize the competition.

Expedia, made to travel.

Today,

I don't know.

I am a doctor, but I hate to self-diagnose, but I think somebody on the program

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Yeah,

that was one way to put it.

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uh anyway so yeah whiskey that'll make the show

Give it 20 minutes.

Give me a few more shots.

Anyway,

the Romikey family is a German family that we that came 15 years ago to the United States and sought asylum.

They did it the right way.

All they wanted was to freely homeschool their children.

And it's on religious

persecution.

They were asking for asylum.

Obama wouldn't give it to them.

And then we all kind of forgot about the family because they were here in America

and

they were doing well, live in Tennessee, get along with all their neighbors.

They're good, industrious people.

Their children grew up.

They got married.

They have other small children.

And just recently, the U.S.

government, when they went in to get their workers' permits, again, they were like, oh yeah,

you have to leave now.

And you have to leave, which would have been today.

They had to have producer passports.

Well, we talked about it.

I blew a gasket.

And apparently some other people did as well.

And the Homeschool Legal Defense Association, who has been on this forever, they are great.

They, you know, they poked around, see what they could find.

And we have some good news for you.

And so let me introduce you to Hannah Laurie

Romaike.

She is the homeschooling mom.

And Kevin Bowden, he is the homeschool legal defense

attorney.

So let me start with you.

Kevin, you talked to ICE, I think, on Wednesday, right?

I talked to ICE last week, late last week, and then we were there in person just a couple of days ago.

Okay.

What did they tell you?

We, they said, you know, the family will come in, plan for us to sign out their order of supervision paperwork for another 12 months, which is what they did on Wednesday.

You know, I asked specifically about what was the change, and I got basically kind of a canned response about, well, there's changes in policies and procedures from time to time.

And,

you know,

what's your gut tell you?

What's your gut tell you on that?

Oh, my God tells me that, you know, this is not, you know, with all of the publicity and with everything that's going on, they just didn't want to deal with it.

And so someone at the top said, make this go away, sign them out for another year.

We don't want to deal with it.

Well, I will tell you,

the presidential candidate named Scott from South Carolina

made a few phone calls as well.

So they got some heat from some important people.

So hopefully that played a role.

So we're back to square one, though, again, a year from now.

We are.

Yeah, I mean, this is not a long-term solution.

This is a band-aid.

This is a placeholder.

And, you know, we certainly appreciate Senator Scott.

I know he's expressed some interest in a private bill as well in the Senate, which would be wonderful.

So we're continuing to look at long-term solutions, but of course, grateful for the 12 months that we now have to pursue some of those a little bit more in depth.

Yeah, well, let me know how we can help in the meantime.

I don't want to face this again next year, and I know the family doesn't either.

Hannah Laurie is on the phone.

This is mom, and I can't tell you, I have rarely met

people as impressive

as Hannah Laurie.

She is, I mean, I put her in the category of

brushes with spiritual greatness

in the category of meeting some of the greatest

religious figures of our day, including Billy Graham.

She is a remarkable woman of faith.

Welcome to the program.

How are you?

Hannah Laurie, are you there?

Oh, I just did this great intro and now she's not here.

I mean, that's

how I hear you.

Oh, hi.

hi, how are you?

Hi.

I'm doing good.

Good.

Good to talk to you again.

I am so glad that things are working out.

At least we have a delay and so you don't have to go back right away to

Germany.

How did it feel when you found out the news?

Oh, that was a big relief.

Yeah, and we are very thankful.

You know, the pressure is going down.

Yeah.

Yeah, and it's good.

We are very thankful and grateful.

You know, you

were quiet on the T V show with me last week.

And then when the mics went off and the cameras were turned off, you just, I mean, you amazed me.

You had me actually in tears.

Because of your faith,

you, I said, you know, don't worry, we'll have you know, or do everything we can to work it out.

And you were just not

seemingly in the right way, worried at all because of your faith.

Yeah, you know, that is actually an interview.

It's for me harder than a real life experience because of what, you know, we have experienced in the past, how the Lord stepped in and fought our battle, even if we didn't feel like he's still strong, you know, and he still wins all the battles.

And actually, I feel I want to encourage the American people, you know,

who have prayed for us and fought this battle.

I feel like they have carried the burden even more than we did.

And I wanted to thank you and all the American people who prayed and fought on our side.

First, I want to thank our Lord, you know, who is great and hears our prayers.

But I also want to encourage the American people that the Lord hears their prayers.

And sometimes we get discouraged and we think, you know,

maybe it's not enough.

But prayers are powerful and we felt the effect, we felt it before, and this time it was even my dear.

So I want to say a big thank you to the American people who prayed for us.

You know, they feel so discouraged and helpless and they think that's not the America they know.

But I wanted to say if I have a little bit time

that how we came over here to America and we came with only suitcases, seven suitcases with a few clothes in and a a few German books and toys.

And the American people came and brought us clothes, food and blankets and furniture.

Some of them we still have to this day.

And they even donated a piano and came with their children for piano lessons so we could make a living here.

That's how we met the American people.

They always treated us with respect.

loved us, helped us, and blessed us.

So, and that's how we met the American people.

They were always a blessing and welcoming to us.

So you see what's happening all around the world, and you see what, I mean, we are fighting great and powerful evil right now.

And people feel like there's they feel that they have no power to do anything.

And that's really, I mean, we don't.

We are powerless over this to some degree.

Only God can save us.

But

tell me how you view what we're going through now

as a people who believe in freedom.

I have the Lord gave me a word yesterday that was very powerful and made me think.

So I can just throw it out to you.

And he said, he woke me up with that sentence.

You don't get to choose your battles, but you can choose the outcome.

And that made me really think that we have more power.

You know, what do we have

to turn the outcome to the good?

You know, and

I was just thinking that we have the word to stand on.

That never changes.

All the promises are ours.

Today I have such a beautiful verse I have to tell you.

In Psalm 34, verse 10, those who seek the Lord shall not lack any good thing.

You know, in my past, the only thing through storms that was standing was the word.

The Lord and the Word, they are unstoppable, unshakable, and unbreakable.

And we can be more than conquerors through Jesus Christ.

And we can be overcomers.

And

I was thinking, what did we teach our children?

I was

looking back and just writing down what did we teach our children.

And then the Lord gave me a very important sentence.

He said, you teach them to respect respect authorities but they have to learn to stand against tyranny

and so this is very and I said to the Lord I didn't really teach them and he said yes you did by your example

so and that's what I want to give to the American people if the authorities go against God's law we must obey God rather than man God's law is higher than men's.

And Jesus says we need to fear God more than men.

Now, Now, so I feel this is the time not to sit on the sideline, but to become bold for the Lord.

And how can we push back the darkness we see covering the land?

You know, that was the question that came to my mind.

How can we push back the darkness by turning on the light?

What is the answer?

How do you push back?

Just turning on the light?

Yes.

Jesus said, we are the light and we are the salt.

We make the world thirsty for the living water and we show them the light of God.

If we turn up our lights, you know, just shine on Jesus, look on Jesus and be the light he has called us to be.

That's how we win this battle.

Look up to Jesus.

He will teach us what to do.

He will give us solutions.

Hannah Laurie,

thank you so much.

I hope someday that we can,

that I would have the honor to be there at a swearing-in ceremony.

You become an American citizen if you would choose to do that.

But you're an amazing woman.

You have a great, great family.

And, Kevin, please keep us involved.

The Homeschool Legal Defense Association, you guys do so much great work.

You know, it's not only religious, but it is also the fact that

people don't want their

the unions and the power doesn't want you to have control of your children.

And it is so important that people like you and your organization do what you do.

And anything we can do to support you, let me know.

Kevin, thank you.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thanks so much.

You bet.

Hannah Laurie, God bless.

Thank you.

God bless you.

Thank you for having me.

You bet.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Mr.

Bill O'Reilly.

Got the choir there today, huh?

Yeah, God's choir.

Yeah.

People, union people or whatever.

Absolutely.

This is a union job through and through.

Good union jobs here.

So,

how you been back out?

I'm good.

How are you?

I know.

How are you?

Yeah, I'm the same, which is tragic for everybody.

It is.

Mainly you.

Mainly you.

No improvement here.

Yeah.

Let's just start with just a little bit on the news of the week.

Sure.

How is it, Bill, that

our CIA and nobody had any information of this prior to, and yet the Wall Street Journal, according to their sources 24 hours after, were like, yeah, this is what happened.

I mean, what happened there?

I wish I knew what happened because CNN is directly contradicting the Wall Street Journal, and that was my message of the day on billorilly.com this morning, which I know you and Stuart.

As soon as you get up, you're in there.

But, you know, I wrote Killing the Killers, which basically praised

the U.S.

Intel services and Israel for

a very good job after 9-11.

Right.

And they did it.

And we chronicled and

we wiped out most of the ISIS and al-Qaeda terrorists and all of that.

So it is shocking.

And I use that word shocking literally.

that nobody would know that this was in the planning stage.

Now, Wall Street Journal came out and said, according to Hamas sources,

the Iranians engineered all this beginning in August.

And it was a flat-out declarative sentence.

That's what they said.

No nuance.

Five days later, CNN comes out on the air and says, no, Iranian didn't have anything to do with it.

Iran didn't have anything to do with it, which is pretty hard to believe

based upon what we know.

There is no way Hamas does anything this size without their sugar daddy saying it's okay.

Yeah, and I know you read Killing and Killers, and that's how you got that information because it's true.

It is.

It's true.

It is.

And you're looking at a region that is not full of subtleties here.

Okay?

It's not.

Wow.

Okay.

Good.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm a simple man.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah, yeah.

So

Hamas doesn't make weapons.

They don't have any factories that manufacture rockets and

rifles and machine guns and hand grenades.

I don't have that.

And strangely,

not AKs, but AR-15s.

That's strange.

Look, so they have to be given them.

And yeah, Russia and China would do it.

They're evil enough to do it.

But we could track that fairly easily.

However, once you get inside Iran, it gets more difficult.

because it's such a closed society and it's a place where intel is very rare to come out of there.

Israel has better intel than the USA inside of Iran.

And so I'm sitting here, I don't know.

How do I know?

All I can tell you is what has happened in the past.

But, you know, this whole story has been misreported by the world media leading the United States leaders' charge.

This isn't about...

Palestinians versus Jews.

That's not what this is about.

What this is about is a movement, an evil movement, that wants to destroy the Jewish people.

These are Nazis.

There's no difference between Hamas and al-Qaeda and ISIS and the Third Reich.

It's the same thing.

So when you understand that,

then you understand why Israel has to provide security for the people that live there.

And when you provide security, it's hard to do that.

You've got to be tough to do it.

So let me, I'm going to get into this

here in about 20 minutes on the role of Iran and Russia and everything else and what they would like to see happen.

How do you think this ends here?

It doesn't end.

No, I know that, but does it go back and does it go back to the usual kind of they do this then they do that or does this grow into a regional or or god forbid a global war well look i i can't speculate on that i can tell you with certainty that the israeli armed forces are now going to go in and decimate all the infrastructure that hamas had in gaza so it's gone now the hamas leadership they're out of there already okay They're in there in London or wherever they go.

They're gone.

But the Israeli Defense Forces are going to go in and they're going to dismantle everything and make it almost uninhabitable.

Now what should happen is the United Nations should step up and take women and children in Egypt, because Egypt can't, doesn't have the infrastructure to do it, and set up refugee centers so that people don't starve to death.

Yes.

No men, just women and children.

Now, where's the United Nations?

Where's Biden leading that?

Is that hard?

No.

I mean, I took a bus through Gaza.

I know what it is.

I know.

All right?

So we don't hear any of that.

And I'm just sitting here, and it just drives me blank and nuts about the ignorance on this whole story.

And that includes all the major networks.

These people don't know it.

They don't know the history of it.

They don't know why it's there.

They don't know who Hamas is.

They don't know how Iran operates.

They don't know anything.

So, Bill, I want to change the subject because I want to make sure we talk about something that I think is actually,

you know, I know you well enough to know that, you know, you're seeing

your book is about the witch hunts, and you see the relationship between the witch hunts that were happening then and the witch hunts now.

For instance, you know, going after anybody who says, hey, I think your ideas to alter the globe's temperature might just destroy everybody.

And basically, you're a witch, And they hunt you down.

Look, go ahead.

Killing the witches is a contemporary book.

It happened in 1692 in Salem.

20 human beings were executed for nothing because nine-year-old girls accused them of being witches.

It's harrowing what actually happened.

But this is a book about evil.

It's about evil.

And the witch hunt is back.

Because of the canceled culture.

What do you think the cancel culture is?

It's a witch hunt.

Take the human being off the board.

Ruin their life.

Let me get this real clear to everybody.

That's the cancel culture.

You're done.

Just like in 1692, if some nine-year-old girl said, Goody so-and-so is a witch and came in the middle of the night and told me to sign the devil's book, you had a rope around your neck.

So

me being the benevolent guy I am, this is the 13th killing book.

I explain it in vivid detail, put you on the Mayflower and Beck, you and I, Stu might have been okay.

We would not have been on that voyage.

That was harrowing.

Yeah.

So Americans go, oh, Pilgrims, Mayflower, past the stuffing.

No.

No,

it was brutal.

Yeah, I would have done everything I could to get on Bezos' yacht to get over here.

That's right.

Anyway, so

Bill, first of all,

everything that is going on now with the witch hunt

is political.

It's all about political and power.

But this started with young girls.

So

what was the motive for the beginning of the witch hunt back then?

Power.

It's the same thing.

So the ministers and judges who ran the Massachusetts Bay Colony had power over the people because they were telling them they were going to hell.

And they were punishing them for everything.

And the people were scared to death because the devil was right around a corner.

So they used the theology, the Puritan theology, which is insane, to keep the people subjugated.

The exact same thing is happening now, but as you pointed out rightly, it's political.

You go up against the canceled culture, 100% generated by the progressive progressive left.

100%.

You go up against them, they're going to try to destroy you.

And Beck and O'Reilly are the poster guys for that.

Every day of my life, and I'm sure your life, we're attacked by somebody.

That's a...

Somebody trying to, you know, oh, you're a racist.

You're a homophobe.

It's getting boring, quite honestly.

It's just getting boring.

Come on, man.

No, I know, but it's...

I know, I know, I know.

I mean, I just,

I know the poll it takes on the family and it destroys people.

But I have to tell you,

the most interesting threat I've had lately, or, you know,

people stop me in the streets all the time, you're a horrible racist, blah, blah, blah.

I was in New York and I was walking across the street and a guy who just with very little energy, I saw it coming.

I knew he was going to do something.

And so I walked by him and we're in the crosswalk and he just passes me and all he said was, die.

And I thought, you know, he's efficient.

He is efficient.

That is, that's okay.

I got it.

I got the message.

Bill, hang on just a second, because you were talking about the Puritans' theology being crazy.

It is actually

the reason why the witch trials went on for so long over in Europe and killed 500,000 people, and this only killed 20,

is because

a couple of preachers stood up and said, you're misreading the Bible here.

You have it wrong.

And it was stopped almost immediately.

Now, not everybody confessed that

they were wrong, but it did stop.

Is that a different thing?

Are you talking about Europe or America?

America.

No, no.

That's why you need to read this book, Beck.

The only reason it stopped was because the loons in Salem, 25 miles north of Boston, accused the wife of the governor, Mary Phipps, of being a witch.

The governor, William Phipps, was in Maine fighting the Abenaki Indians.

He comes back and, um, excuse me, Your Excellency, your wife's under arrest for being a witch.

That, and then he had the militia,

Phipps did, and he just put an end to it.

There were some clerics who spoke out, but not many, because if you spoke out against the witch trials, the next day you were accused of being a witch.

Just like if you speak out against the cancel culture today they're going to come at you with something

so why can't we stop it if we uh claim that uh i don't know uh joe biden's wife is a witch

look i'm gonna i'm not commenting on jill jill is a good yeah no i mean

i mean you look at this i mean when they are called a witch now if they many times it doesn't matter if they're part of the right philosophy, it doesn't matter.

Let me give you a quick story because this is so horrendous.

ESPN Sportscaster covering Serena Williams tennis match says on the air, Serena Williams is using guerrilla tactics, guerrilla, G-E-U-R, like hit and run, war tactics.

New York

Stringer writes, he called Serena Williams a guerrilla, G-O-R-R.

Okay, guy's fired by ESPN the next day.

He has a heart attack, Beck.

His life is ruined to this day.

Never an apology.

Nothing.

Out of work.

Won't work again.

Come on.

So

people need to rise up against this.

What was the

apology after

the Salem witch trials?

What happened after that?

There was never an apology.

Nothing.

Nothing happened.

All of these guys, the judges, made all the money because when you were convicted of being a witch, they took all your land and all your assets and they divided it up among the clerics and the judges in Salem.

They all got rich.

There was never a prosecution of these people.

Now, most of them fell on bad times because of karma, and we detail that.

About the girls' lives were terrible.

Some of them went insane.

The girls who accused the people of being witches.

Killing the witches is

a book about evil and the presence of evil on this planet right now.

The last third of the book is now, modern times.

Did you know Beck, you saw the movie The Exorcist, right?

Part of it.

I've never been able to watch all of it.

It just freaks me out.

Stu's seen it six times.

It is the movie.

Okay.

Nine people died

connected to the production of that movie.

Nine.

Well, you know what?

In the next 20 years, almost all of them will die.

No, but they died contemporaneously.

Big word back.

Okay, all right.

Big word.

Okay.

So I do believe, because I'm a Roman Catholic, there is an act of evil in the world, going back to Hamas now.

Yeah.

All right.

That there is

a force that people have, number one, have to recognize and number two, fight against.

So when you see these loons at Harvard, when you see these commentators, these people all over the world justifying Hamas,

they are justifying evil.

Yeah.

And that is the theme of Killing the Witches.

Killing the Witches is available bookstores wherever.

You, I'm sure, can find it at billorilly.com.

You'll also find Bill's,

you know, rant of the day or whatever, some crazy.

And you can get his nosepin news at billorilly.com.

Grab Killing the Witches.

Bill, as always, great to talk to you.

Thank you.

Okay, Beck, stay well, and thanks for having me.

God bless.

The best of the Glenn Beck program.

I want to welcome back to the program Justin Haskins, who is the co-author with me of The Great Reset and co-author and researcher.

He actually heads up a team for Dark Future.

He also heads up a team of researchers at the Heartland Institute.

He's socialist research center director, Socialism.

He is not a socialist.

I just want to make that clear.

I'm not a socialist.

He's not a socialist.

He's been standing against it for quite some time.

And welcome back to the program.

Yesterday, we talked about how Alexander Dugan, everything that that man has predicted and said and planted the seeds, including what's happening with Azerbaijan and Armenia and Hamas and Iran and Israel today, Ukraine, all of this stuff is

coming to fruition and people keep denying that he

has anything to do that we should pay attention to.

But there's something else that is happening and

he was for this and that is

a new currency, a new world order

of an axis.

I would call it an axis power.

He calls it an axis.

He does.

He calls it an axis, a new world axis of powers with Russia as one of the central figures.

Wow.

And they're building this now.

I mean, BRICS is really, we think of BRICS as, oh, well, this is the world getting together and we're all going to, and this is bringing up, that's not the way Russia and Dugan have looked at BRICS, right?

Right.

BRICS is a direct,

it's the rival that they're building to the G7,

you know, United States, United Kingdom, those countries, the most powerful Westernized countries that we think of as being sort of the liberal in the old sense, in the John Adams sense, democracies, you know, and democratic republics.

The counter to that is BRICS.

Now,

BRICS started around 20 years ago, and it was just four or five countries.

It was just Brazil, Russia, India, China, and I think South Africa joined after that.

And then that was it.

And they started out as a small thing, and they've slowly been building new resources and coming together in a more sort of intergovernmental way, a more important way.

And then recently they've put the foot on the gas and they are now turning this into

a real rival to the West.

And they've just recently, within the past few months, approved expanding BRICS dramatically for the first time ever from five nations to, I think, they're adding five or six more nations.

And there's a bunch of other applicants that various BRIC members want in.

All the BRIC nations have to agree to bring somebody in.

Now, the people will tell you in the media that those are only the ones that have a problem with the United States

and they're afraid that we would retaliate against them.

So they're kind of hiding in bricks.

But I don't believe that to be the case.

No, that's obviously not the case.

I mean, South Africa is not that.

Argentina is one of the countries that's just now coming in.

That's not that.

Ethiopia is one of those.

I don't think Egypt

would qualify as one of those either.

Saudi Arabia, they're surely not that.

And we used to have a great relationship with Saudi Arabia.

They were very important and not anymore.

That's all falling apart.

Why?

I think one of the most important things to keep in mind about BRICS is they are doing, they have had the benefit of seeing our failures and our mistakes, meaning the United States and the West, over the past half century.

They're looking at the economic mistakes, not other things, economic mistakes, and they're saying, how do we do this better?

And they're doing all those things.

They're building a new development bank.

They are bringing in the manufacturing producers of the world.

So they're not just consumers of goods.

They're producing goods, like China, for example, is the biggest one of that, right?

They are building a new currency.

And all indications are that new currency, which they're keeping secret, is going to be some kind of gold-backed digital type currency.

Correct.

Okay.

At least to begin with.

To begin with, right?

And they are bringing in people who have access and control over natural resources and willing to use them, to sell them, to produce them.

How many of them are the world oil producers?

So out of the top 10 biggest producers of oil, we're talking countries, all of them are now in BRICS or are about to go into BRICS.

The only two exceptions are the United States and Canada.

Every other one.

Every single other one.

So that'll show you how serious the rest of the world is on clean energy and wind wind power.

So, let me just say this because there is always kind of a quiet argument on what made America great.

And I think you'd have to define great.

De Tocqueville talked about what made America great was our ethics and our churches.

You could find it in the pulpits.

People were good.

We were great because we were first good.

And

we

adhered to the principles of God, which made us

self-reliant.

It made us work hard and try not to take

the bread off the sweat of another man's brow.

We were honest, law-abiding.

Generally speaking, that's the way it was.

We've had our problems.

But that's what made America great, made us charitable and

bringing people here and giving everybody an opportunity.

And again, it's been a rough go, but that's it.

Now, if you want to just look at the economics of what made America a powerhouse, that's different.

And here's, and let's just go through these and I'm going to read them one by one.

And you tell me if we have it or if BRICS has it.

Yep.

Okay.

So let's see.

Low regulation.

Absolutely not.

You're probably, depending on where you are in BRICS,

you will have that or you won't have that.

You probably have to be in bed with government in one fashion or another.

But if the government likes you, yeah, absolutely.

And certainly on certain things, like certain natural resources, mining, the really important stuff.

Right.

Yeah.

But I mean, you know, it used to be the case that anybody that had an idea could come here and start it.

And you didn't.

I mean, Bill Gates says he couldn't have started, you know, Microsoft now.

Right.

The system was set up for entrepreneurs and people with ideas and new ways of doing things.

Yes.

Low government regulation.

We are the opposite of that now.

We had the world's resources and we were willing to use them.

So we have more resources here in America than any other continent, any other place in the world.

We've now sealed all those off.

Correct.

The resources of the rest of the world with bricks and will they use them?

They absolutely will use them.

I think that's the primary, one of the primary reasons these countries are joining is so that they can use it and trade it.

So we had skilled, hardworking, cheap labor.

We don't have that now.

No.

And we don't have the work ethic that we used to.

Absolutely not.

Do the bricks

countries.

Obviously.

Yes.

Some of the biggest manufacturers in the world are in bricks.

We had cheap and plentiful energy.

We don't now.

No, and we're deliberately trying to make it worse.

Yes.

We had gold-backed currency.

We don't.

They will.

Correct.

The most important thing is we had rule of law.

That's why people came here.

They came for a couple of reasons.

They knew that they could start a business and you didn't have to bribe everybody.

They knew that if you had a good idea and it was yours, you might have to fight with it for court, but court would be fair and it wouldn't always go to the big money person.

It could go to the little guy if if he was telling the truth.

We don't have that anymore.

No.

We don't have a rule of law.

We're becoming a country at the very top.

You bribe your way in and you can get absolutely anything.

You also could keep the spoils of what you made.

Yep.

You can't here now.

That's why BRICS is so dangerous to us because We have lost absolutely everything that makes us an industrial giant.

Yes.

There's no question about it.

There's just absolutely no question about it.

And Bricks has learned from that.

And what happened in the wake of the invasion of Ukraine and the way the West reacted to that, and I'm not trying to criticize all, I understand that was a complicated situation.

But when they started freezing assets for Russia and they started kicking you off of Swift.

Yeah, when they started kicking people off of Swift, driving these countries into the arms of of this is exactly what Dugan wants.

This is the kind of thing that he talks about.

Western overreach leading to these other nations that have tolerated being in business with the West for a long time, suddenly realizing, you know what, we can't do this anymore.

Because if they can do this to Russia over what Russia considers a territorial conflict, then why wouldn't they do it to China?

That's their human rights violator.

Why wouldn't they do it to all these countries in the Middle East by American standards, their human rights violators, right?

So they could do it to any of us.

That's what these countries in the East are being told, and that's what they're thinking.

And it's not consistent.

Saudi Arabia,

not real good.

Not real good for the Jews, the gays,

the religious, anybody.

Really horrible.

Yet it's okay.

But when we select, when we decide, you are no longer my friend,

those same things that we were cool with, all of a sudden you're demonized for and kicked out of the club.

Yeah.

That you can't build, you cannot build a civilization with partners like that.

No.

It's either right or wrong.

Right.

And they understand that this is just sort of arbitrary when we decide to just destroy people and when we decide to let it go.

Correct.

And that's why they realize if they don't build their own superstructure where they can control their own destinies and create this multipolar world where, you know, China gets to be in charge of its little

kingdom, and Iran gets to be in charge of its kingdom, and Russia, its kingdom, where they have their own rules.

And we all just kind of leave each other alone.

Like, we don't, maybe we don't all agree on what we're doing to our people and whatever.

Maybe we think some of us are human rights violators.

Doesn't matter.

We all just agree to disagree, and let's just do business with each other and let's just make lots of money and become really powerful and control our parts of the world.

then we don't need to worry about Western values, Western ideas.

And that is so persuasive to all of, and you could imagine why, right?

I mean, it's so persuasive to all of these regimes all over the world.

I will tell you, it'd be persuasive to me in some ways.

I know.

I mean, because you're like, this doesn't work.

This, what we're doing is not going to work.

And

nobody in America is going to, we're not going to have food or energy or anything.

We will become a third world country quickly if we don't get off this path.

And I can see a lot of people saying, well, I want to do that.

And you can't do that.

Right.

And that's part of the appeal that Alexander Dugan and people like that are trying to make.

You can find out

about this and so much more in our book,

Dark Future.

We have a whole chapter on Alexander Dugan and why it is important you understand him.

He is directly connected to what's happening in with Iran and I believe Hamas and Hezbollah and the RGC and what's happening with Israel.

He is the designer of what happened in Ukraine and it's happening everywhere, including in the United States.

And as I just said, these things are,

you know,

they're attractive.

Some of these ideas are attractive, but they are not our friends.

The only thing we can do is to restore all of the things that we have lost.

Restore the rule of law.

Restore the idea of hard work.

Destroy any corruption and bribery.

Reset these things back to their constitutional settings.

That will give us new life.

Not a new kind of entire new idea and throw out the American idea.

That's what Dugan wants.

Either that or just to put us out and turn out our lights.

Either way, those are bad.

Restoring the constitutional settings is the only way forward.

Justin, thank you so much.

Thanks, Clint.

I'm Justin Haskins, Heartland Institute,

Socialism Research Center, Director, and co-author of Dark Future, which you can get everywhere.

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