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All right.

I want to talk to you today about something that has been on my mind for years.

I've been talking about doing this for, I don't even know,

12 years, maybe?

And I've never felt the time was right.

There was always something that came up.

And this began really right after Restoring Honor.

Restoring Honor was the event that I had in Washington, D.C.

Some might remember it.

It was August 28th, 2010.

And it was on the mall in Washington, D.C., in front of the Lincoln Memorial.

And there were hundreds of thousands of us gathered for the day.

People came from all over the country and the world.

And that was just an attempt just to say, we need honor.

Honor is part of our country.

Without it, we're nothing.

The next year, in Jerusalem, we did courage, restoring courage.

Honor and courage makes all the difference.

But the year after, we did love, restoring love at Dallas Cowboys Stadium.

The first spoken word event ever in Dallas Cowboys Stadium, and I think still the only one that was sold out.

There was so much for us to learn.

A few years ago, we were going to go to Gettysburg, and we had done a lot of work on it already, and it was going to be restoring the covenant.

And I just, I kept, I mean, for this has haunted me for years.

And so I finally go, okay, we're going to do it.

And then COVID happens.

And I'm like, wow, that just,

okay.

And in my prayers, since then, I've been saying, okay, I've got to come up with an event.

I've got to come.

And then I heard in my prayers, why

you have 12 million people listening to you every day.

Ow.

Yeah.

I forgot about that.

The stronger the feeling

got in me,

the more urgent it felt.

And it was an urgency to learn.

What

is this?

What is the covenant that is so

woven into the fabric of America.

The Abrahamic covenant, I know, God would bless Abraham and his offspring, and he'd be there, you know, for them.

They'd live under his protection and guidance, and they would worship him.

He would be their God, and

his people.

It worked for Israel until they failed to remember it, and then they were destroyed and scattered.

But in his time,

the promise of restoration was was fulfilled.

No other country ever in the history of civilization has ever been promised to be destroyed, then promised to be restored, and thousands of years later, it happens.

Its language and its people are still returning to its original land.

That's because they were a covenant nation.

Now America historically is a covenant nation.

The pilgrims pilgrims actually came here to establish what they called the New Jerusalem.

They actually thought that they were spiritually completing the journey that began at the Red Sea.

And so they said, you will be our God

and we will be your people.

They made a promise.

They made a covenant.

This was later renewed when George Washington first took his first oath of office.

There in lower Manhattan, he raised his hand to the square and his hand on the Bible and he swore to protect and defend the Constitution.

So help me, God.

And then he said, everybody, we're going to church.

And they walked down the street to the church where he prayed for hours on his knees.

Prayed for hours.

He made a covenant again.

In America's darkest time with Abraham Lincoln.

Abraham Lincoln said,

I wasn't a Christian when I was elected.

My son died and I didn't become a Christian.

But at Gettysburg, he broke

and he would finally obey God and realize that it's not about saving the Union.

It is about freeing his

people.

So even if it meant the end of the Union, he would free all of the slaves.

That fall, right after Gettysburg, he traveled up there and he gave a quick speech and he thought, nobody's going to remember this.

In fact, he gave the speech away and it was eventually thrown away.

But about a month later, he asked Congress to pass a Thanksgiving proclamation to rededicate ourselves to the American covenant.

It passed and people all over the country prayed and humbled themselves and fasted and dedicated their lives,

their lives, their fortunes, their sacred honor.

They dedicated it once again to God's will.

Before Gettysburg, before this happened, the Union only won one battle.

But after the covenant was made, we only lost one battle.

I hate the word covenant.

Honestly, all of this stuff makes me so uncomfortable because...

But covenants, what is it?

Covenants are just promises that actually mean something.

When you're in a covenant relationship, there's no getting out of it.

It's a word that basically means that we say what we do and we do what we say and everything that we do and say in this world actually matters.

We've come to a place in our country now where we expect that most people are just lying to us all the time.

Our president is lying.

All the time.

So is the last one.

The one before that.

The The one before that.

Our media is lying to us.

They have a credibility rating, I think in the teens, I think it might be 12

in our own lives.

Maybe our spouse is lying, or we're lying to

our spouse, or worse yet.

And this happens to all of us from time to time, we lie to ourselves.

And with all of this lying, truth no longer matters.

But you cannot have society or a civilization without truth.

So much in America is utterly meaningless.

It's why our kids are killing themselves.

It's why people are losing hope.

Because nothing's real.

Nothing's authentic.

I can't trust anything.

And if that's the way it is and everything is meaningless, then why go on?

I think people are starving for something real.

They're starving for the truth.

And I've only found that in one place.

And it's not politics.

It's not my job.

It's not the things that make me happy.

It's not the things that I have.

It's none of that, really.

The only meaning that really lasts for me, me, the only thing that grows deeper and more meaningful,

my wife, my children, my relationships.

The opportunity for each of us to be who we are, who we were born to be.

You know, we throw words around like freedom and liberty.

What does that mean?

Honestly.

Oh, we're

freedom.

What does that mean?

To me, it means opportunity to speak, to worship, to live, to work and better myself and our children's lives.

We wrote them down in this country as rights.

And we also said they come from God.

All of the things that have any meaning at all all come from God.

They're all eternal.

If you're doing something today and it doesn't have any connection to the eternal, why are you doing it?

Or if you're doing something that doesn't have any connection to the eternal, then

why don't you pause before you do it and find the connection?

Because that's the only thing that you're going to do today that will last and be meaningful.

All these truths that we now deny

are eternal.

And that is why we're in this epic battle of good versus evil now.

This is why we, thank God, peacefully fight today.

And nobody's articulating this.

We're fighting against something every day.

I can't believe it.

I'm so sick and tired of it.

I'm honestly just

tired of it.

I'm not going to fight against anything anymore.

And I don't think I ever really have, but I don't vocalize it enough.

I'm not fighting against, I am fighting for the things that we used to find self-evident.

I'm fighting for the truth.

And sometimes that comes at a high cost.

Sometimes the truth really hurts.

But it will set you free.

I'm desperate for something that actually matters.

And I have to tell you, I'm going to vote.

I recommend everybody.

I'll go in my car and I'll rent a bus if I have to and I'll pick people up and take them to the polls so they can honestly and legally vote.

But that doesn't give me enough meaning.

I'm going to tell you a couple of stories today.

We have a couple of guests.

Today, I I would ask that you would listen to the entire podcast

because we're going to do something

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And I'm starting today,

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I take this topic extraordinarily seriously, but please know I don't take myself seriously in this.

I mean,

I'm an alcoholic DJ.

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I'm not a preacher.

I'm not a scholar.

I am certainly no moral authority.

I'm not here to convert you, to preach, or drill down on doctrine.

It's none of that.

I'm a dad.

I'm a husband.

I'm an American that sees the revolution has come to us.

It's already begun.

I pray for you every day before the show.

I ask God, tell me what people need.

Tell me what you need.

How can I help you?

How can I serve you?

And so today I begin something

that nobody in their right mind would do.

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And I'm going to do something

that

all business and logic and reason would say, that's not going to work.

But everything eternal tells me, please,

join me on this journey.

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So, you know, we have a flaw in America,

at least in the last hundred or so years.

And that is...

We are a nation that was built on the Judeo-Christian principles.

And nobody ever really had a problem with that.

But we took one of our

responsibilities.

If you're going to have rights, you have responsibilities.

And if you're going to say freedom of speech and freedom for religion, then you need to let other people worship and pray and do what they do.

And you have to be like, dude, I think, you know, I mean,

Praying mantis is not what you think, but I mean, if that's what you want to do with the bug, okay.

We have a responsibility to do that, but what has happened is we have, it has been weaponized against us to where we said we're not going to talk about religion and politics.

No, no, don't say a word.

No,

say a word.

And I know it's uncomfortable in public because it's personal to all of us.

I'm not saying, you know what, Sally, you are a sinner and you're going to burn a nail.

I mean,

I am struggling today.

I am struggling today, and I need God.

It leaves us out of our comfort zone when we speak.

But if we're speaking love, healing, forgiveness, perhaps the most important today of all, truth,

speak it with boldness.

Let everybody point and laugh if they're going to.

I don't think they will.

Stand alone if you must.

But know this, there are more for us than there are against us.

And they're not really for us.

They're for God.

God's not on our side.

We have to work to be on his.

How many times have we worked to be on God's side?

It's not about politics.

It's not about parties.

It's about truth.

And the first truth is, who are you?

Who do you answer to?

Who is your God?

if Americans would just answer those ponder them for a week answer those three questions the world would change tomorrow who am I

there's lots of ways you can describe yourself and people describe themselves all the time I'm nobody I'm worthless I just keep making mistakes I can't make it You're describing those are all lies.

Those are all lies you're telling yourself.

That's not who you are.

If God is our father and God has a kingdom, that means he's a king, which makes you a prince or a princess, which means you're in a royal line that has powers

and he's given them all to you and he wants to give everything to you just like every dad does.

But you keep talking yourself out of it.

Because I can't face him.

I made too many mistakes.

Wait, what?

That's one of his first principles.

I'm okay.

I sent you down there.

I knew you were going to make mistakes.

I knew it.

That's why I gave you this gift.

All you have to do is just go, gosh, I'm sorry.

God

never gives up on any of us.

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I'm bringing in a guy next who

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What a good man that is.

Really?

He's just put a new book out.

He was here a couple of months ago where he's like, yeah,

I had a drinking problem spiraling out of control and everybody thought I had it in order.

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You and I are an awful lot alike.

We both worry about a future when we all feel like we have nothing to rely on.

We don't know where to turn because nothing is real, nothing is solid.

Hey, where are you going?

What are you doing with your money?

You know, I saw stock markets going down, Bitcoin's going down.

Where are you putting your money?

I don't know.

You know, gold's a pretty good idea.

Yeah, really?

Is it?

Because I think I read some places, the deeper you bury it, the more it'll slip through your fingers.

I mean,

I have no idea what tomorrow is going to bring.

Everything that I thought was solid is now liquid.

When our money, our food, our government, our culture has let us all down, what then?

The only reason that I'm not in a ditch somewhere or in total despair is because of two things.

My wife, who taught me about God.

And I know that God isn't going to let me down.

And I need that.

And it's not that he, it's not like, you know, Glenn, now, you know, you'd say you're a Christian, so now everything's going to be good.

It's not like that at all.

I need to know that God is there.

But when things go poorly and I'm like, hey, I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do, and everything is like all of a sudden like a black abyss.

You're like, wait a minute.

I'm a Christian.

Remember, I'm a Christian.

That doesn't work that way.

When you really become mature in your faith, you know when things go poorly, it's not that just this too will pass.

I shut up with that.

I hurt.

But what gives you hope is that you know even the worst stuff that you've done or experienced is going to be used in miraculous ways.

You just got to get out of the way because Glenn, it ain't all about you.

And I hate that.

It's about

eternal truths.

A guy who has been up and down and down at his highest point, Max Lucato, is with us.

Hello, Max.

How are you?

Man, you can keep talking all day, Glenn.

I wanted to shout amen a few times, but I didn't know if I would interrupt you.

You're right on target, my friend.

It is.

Thank you.

How do we convince people who have not experienced?

Because I know you have, Max.

You've experienced

the reassurance, the knowingness that God's got you either way.

And no matter what happens, it's like I can look at death and somebody dying and go, not that, you know,

the normal, oh, well, they're in a better place.

I know that.

But actually having faith, I'm going to see him again, it's all going to be good.

How do you teach that?

Yeah, and it needs to be taught because we're living in a day of despair.

Did you know the suicide rate in America has increased 24%

since 1999?

You know, if a disease saw a 24% spike, we would call it an epidemic.

Yes, we would.

So how do we explain the increase?

I mean, we've never been more educated.

We have tools of technology our parents would only dream of.

We're saturated with entertainment and recreation, and yet more people are orchestrating their own deaths than ever.

And I think the answer is people are dying for lack of hope.

You know, secularism just sucks the hope out of the heart.

The idea that there is no God, or if there is a God, he's distant, that secularistic viewpoint or worldview reduces the world to just a few decades on earth, just that dash between the dates on the gravestone.

And people believe that this world is as good as it get.

And let's face it, it's not that good.

But people of the promise, people who begin to build their lives on the promises of God, have a huge advantage.

And that is when problems surface, they can be heard telling themselves, but I read something in the scripture, or but God told me, or but I know that God got me through this before.

They make a deliberate choice to build their lives on the promises of God, not the circumstances of life.

And as a result, they have a leg up.

They have an advantage.

They have an inside track

because they lift up their eyes and they get hope, find hope outside of this world.

So I'm all over what you're saying, Ben.

Thank you so much for saying it.

So, you know, I just remembered Ben Sherwood is a friend of mine.

He used to be a producer at ABC, and that's when I got to know him.

And then he eventually ended up being the head of ABC for a while, or ABC Disney, I think.

And he wrote a book called The Survivors Club.

And what he found in this, and he wasn't taking it from a

spiritual point of view when he started the book.

He wasn't looking for something.

He wanted to know, what do all survivors have in common?

And he found survivors have hope in God.

And if they have that hope, no matter how bad it gets, they survive when most don't.

Absolutely.

That narrows it down right there.

And one of the great discoveries that people who

attempt to find faith discover is that we have a God who makes promises and who keeps promises.

And understanding

how our God is a covenant-making and covenant-keeping God

is

just such a source of strength.

I read one person who spent a year and a half attempting to tally up the number of promises that God made to humanity.

His list, 7,487 promises.

Promises about fear, promises about sin, promises promises about death, promises about provision, just every single area of life.

God has spoken a promise.

He's spoken a promise.

So

give us some examples of promises that he has kept.

Yes, sir, absolutely.

When he created the earth,

he said, and God said, Genesis chapter 1 says, and God said, and God said, and God said, and every time God God said something,

something happened.

So when God speaks, that is a decree.

It's not a desire.

It's a decree.

And because our God keeps his promises, the fact of the matter is

his promises are irrevocable.

Because he's unchanging.

He's not victimized by moods or weather.

He's faithful.

He's strong.

He never over-promises and under-delivers.

Romans 4, 21 says, God is able to do whatever he promises.

Hebrews 6, 18 says, it's impossible for God to lie.

Doesn't say it's unlikely that God will lie or improbable, but it is impossible.

He cannot lie.

A rock cannot swim.

A hippo cannot fly.

A butterfly cannot eat a bowl of spaghetti.

I can't sleep on the cloud, and God cannot lie.

So he never exaggerates.

He never manipulates.

He never flatters.

He just doesn't break promises.

And we're seeing promises.

I know you gave a speech for

one for Israel ministries, and you said, promises God made to Israel thousands of years ago are being fulfilled in our generation.

Most people are not noticing.

That's not making news.

Give us an example of the promises there that are coming true.

Exactly.

Well, God promised Abraham

seed and soil.

He said, through your seed or through your lineage, the entire world would be blessed.

And boy, is that not a promise that's been kept?

Yes.

I mean, look, we have the Bible,

we have the church, we have Jesus Christ.

I think we have much reason from the Jews as well, the way they study and debate and wrestle.

I think that's

what it stands out.

And look at all the Nobel Prize winners that are Jewish.

Yeah.

It's just the most extraordinary nation in history.

And they're the only nation who has had their land taken from them and then returned to them.

And that's the second part of that promise, and that is soil.

God promised Abraham a region, a territory.

And in 1948, when they were reinstated or when they were regathered to their homeland, I think we saw one of the greatest miracles in all of history.

And for centuries, theologians would read those promises and say, well, God can't keep that one.

In fact, I think one of the reasons that

anti-Semitism got

so much fuel in the fire is because people thought, well, God made a promise to the Jews and he's not going to keep it.

But then in 1948, he kept it.

It's just extraordinary.

It's a super sign that God keeps his promises and he'll continue to keep those promises.

So I'm starting today a 40-day devotional series that will teach biblical covenants that

I think it's the only way to combat total despair and also to restore our nation.

We have to turn

towards that.

Yes, sir.

Any thought on explaining a covenant and

how it can be uniquely used to hold our country together?

Well, God makes unilateral and bilateral covenants.

He made a unilateral covenant with Abraham, the one that we just spoke.

He made a bilateral covenant with Adam and Eve, and they broke it.

You know, he said, you can have all of this creation, all of this paradise, just don't eat from that one tree.

And that was an agreement.

Their lives and all of human history would have been different had they honored that covenant.

And so it is with us today.

God makes covenants with us.

He talks to us about the value of life, about respecting one another.

And these are conditional covenants.

And if we break those covenants, if we violate, then there's consequences.

Not that he doesn't love us, but he is a good father.

And a good father says,

here's the path you should walk.

And if you get off of it, it's not going to be pleasant.

Right.

Not as a punishment, but as a natural consequence.

A natural consequence.

And what you're urging us to do is go back to these basic covenants.

And

when we do, and if we do, if we repent and turn and turn back to God, then we can expect blessings.

But if we continue to isolate God or shove God out, there will be burdens.

It's really just that simple.

Max, my friend, I would be remiss if I didn't say hello from my sister.

You are just a giant in her spiritual life and

mine as well.

And I just love you so much.

Thank you, Max.

Thank you, my friend.

I appreciate it.

And go get them.

You're doing the right thing.

Max Lucato, he has got a new book out, God Never Gives Up on You.

And he also has his free online Bible study starting October 23rd.

You can find everything at maxlucato.com.

That's maxlucado.com.

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Today,

we're starting something that we'll take offline for 40 days, 40 nights.

I ask you to join me with this, and in 40 days, we're going to do another show on the covenant.

We're going to ask you to participate in something.

But it's not about theology.

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We could all run around agreeing in our minds about god God, but if we're still unjust cruel hateful untruthful hopeless then we're part of the problem we're not really we're not really god's kids

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That's what today is all about.

Today's the launch of a 40-day, 40-night devotional about what it means when God makes a covenant.

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Today we're going to talk about something called the covenant.

Because in 40 days, we are going to do another special show.

It will be right before Thanksgiving.

And our pilgrims made a covenant.

Our

founders made a covenant.

General George Washington, as he became president on that first day, he prayed for hours in lower Manhattan after he took the oath of office, and he made a covenant.

Abraham Lincoln made one after Gettysburg.

We are a covenant nation and there's all kinds of

different covenants that you can read about, but this one is very, very specific.

And I'm sorry, but I'm out of,

I can give you a lot of small answers.

Hey, go out and vote.

And that's really important because if we don't go out and vote, we were, I mean,

Go out and monitor your voting spaces because I do think something fishy.

You got to do all of those things, but those are the small things.

We've forgotten the principles, the bedrock.

Those things are the ones that we really have to work on if we want to save ourselves and save our families and save our country.

Michaela is a

how long have you worked for me, Michaela?

Almost two years.

Wow.

Is that right?

I think it is.

I think it is.

Michaela is kind of a special programming producer at times.

I assign her with,

she's the happiest person I've ever met.

She's also one of the most deeply spiritual people I've ever met.

And she's always in our meetings when we're talking about death and destruction.

And she's like, and she'll wear like a, I was going to say a rainbow shirt, but not like that, like a Noah rainbro shirt.

And she'll be like, but hey, we still have each other.

And you're like, shut up, Mattel.

Anyway, so I assigned this to you, I don't know how long ago, a couple of months ago, at least.

And

so explain what a covenant is.

Because give me the history.

There's like four historic covenants, right?

So a covenant is, it sounds like this big biblical spiritual word, but it's not.

In the past, people are making covenants all the time.

It's just simply a pact or a treaty between two parties with mutual expectations.

So you and I could make a covenant right now over something over anything.

Two Two tribes could make a covenant.

Kings could make a covenant.

But in the Bible, which, as you said, I'm pretty obsessed with, in the Bible, God makes covenants with his people.

So those are very special, much more serious covenants.

Yeah, because we live in a place.

You make a marriage covenant.

Yes.

Okay.

And we're like, well, I just get out of that.

No.

No consequence.

I mean, there are all kinds of natural consequences, especially if you have children.

But this is different.

A covenant with God

is one that kind of has some serious consequences.

It's eternal.

It's not a pinky promise.

You don't want to get it.

He's got a mighty big pinky.

Right.

You don't want to try to get out of this.

Okay.

So give me the historic ones from the Bible.

So in the Bible, you don't make a covenant.

You don't seal a covenant.

The word in Hebrew is you cut.

a covenant.

So like you cut a deal, the same kind of phrasing.

Because of this kind of spooky ancient ritual where you would take an animal, kill it, cut up its parts, divide them into a kind of pathway, and the two people making the covenant would walk down the path together.

That's how they'd ratify the covenant.

I would just like to say that's how I think.

Anybody who thinks they have it bad, you're living at a time we don't do that.

No, we pinky promise.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, hey.

Bring your dog over too.

I got a deal to make with you.

Holy cow.

So that gives you an idea of the gravity of it.

There was this kind of of bloody, costly process.

So you didn't just trivially make promises with people.

And you didn't trivially make promises with God.

God actually even uses that ritual in the Bible, in this passage with Abraham that seems so spooky.

But when you understand at the time, everyone was making covenants.

Because he made one when Abraham was asleep.

Yes.

Yes.

So the Abrahamic covenant

is called an unconditional covenant, which means that God makes it with himself and you're the beneficiary of it.

I love that kind of covenant.

Yeah, that's the kind we have.

I'm open for that.

I'm hoping for that.

There's a few of those.

The one with Noah's like that, which is we're never going to flood the earth again, no matter how bad we are, because if not, you can imagine we'd have a flood again by now for sure.

There would be a couple floods, but luckily there's not any because God promised there's not going to be any.

Same with Abraham.

He puts Abraham to sleep and he sends this flaming cauldron and this torch through the animal parts instead of Abraham.

And that sounds so spooky and Harry Potter-like, right?

But it's actually not.

It is,

and it is a little Harry Potter.

But what it is is a visual representation of the fact that Abraham's just a beneficiary of this covenant.

He's not even walking through it.

Abraham's passed out, right?

And what you learn in those is that God is faithful.

What makes,

I know you said I'm so dorky about this, Glenn, but what makes covenants cool to me, and that, wow, you don't expect that sentence to come out of your mouth.

Yeah, see?

No, it's just, you were talking about this, Glenn.

Well, I believe God is real, and that's what makes me wake up every morning is because I believe that God's real.

And I believe that God wants all of us to be doing his will, that he has a plan.

All of us have a purpose in this life.

I really believe that.

And I think if we do that, that life will be better.

And I don't mean just like superficially better.

I mean that life will be more meaningful.

I have to tell you, I've learned so much in my life.

And one is what's important.

And I remember I was in my 20s and I was very wealthy.

And, you know, I didn't, I did not grow up wealthy.

I just just got into radio when I was very young.

And then I was, you know, somewhat successful.

And so in the 1980s, you know, I was making lots of money and most of it went to cocaine.

But I became my job.

I became my car.

I became those things.

And I remember I lost my job and the last thing to go was my car was repossessed.

And I cried.

I cried as that thing was going away.

And now I have nice things, but if it all goes away, I don't really, it's okay.

It's all right.

It doesn't matter.

I mean, it's nice to have, but it's not, that's not

where my happiness is.

I was never addicted to cocaine, but I

didn't say I was addicted to cocaine.

I'm sorry.

I'm not, I've never been a cocaine user.

Yes.

But I think I told you this, Glenn, when I interviewed, that I had a period of time in my life I was really sick.

And that's when I had a similar, I think, to your addiction.

I felt like I hit a kind of rock bottom being very ill for over a couple of years.

And that's when I was like, you know what?

I have to have God.

I have to have him.

And that's what's turned me into this really happy person.

It wasn't, everybody thinks I just was like born sick.

I have a feeling you have a little of that in you.

Yeah.

And so I got sick for a while and God was there the whole time when I could have been mourning about something physical, my body, right?

But I had God.

And so these covenants that make me excited is because they don't just teach us about God, but they teach you what God wants from you.

So when we're all walking around, like, what should I do with my life?

It's like, look, read it right here.

You want a purpose.

You want something to do, which we all do.

I know we do.

You can read it right there.

You can read it and find out the purpose of your whole life.

So, so wait a minute.

Let's go back to Abraham.

Just to seal this up here.

Yes.

So he's passed.

This is the only time a story includes a guy who's passed out with animal parts all around him and flaming torches.

And he doesn't wake up with the police knocking at the door going, dude.

And he's like, I don't know.

These animals weren't here when I went to sleep.

So it turns out well for him.

But

that is an unconditional.

Yes.

There are

conditionals, and that's the ones that George Washington and our pilgrims and

Abraham Lincoln made.

These are the most common.

They're if-then covenants.

Yes.

If you obey, you'll be blessed.

If you disobey, you'll be cursed.

If you jump off a cliff, then you'll die.

These are the kinds of...

That's a good one.

That's a good one.

I haven't read that in my Bible, but that's a good one.

It should be in there.

Well, so, and that's, they set up a natural law, like the founders talk about.

If you lie, your life will become extremely complicated.

Yes.

Or if you become addicted to something, your life will become complicated.

He's trying to warn you.

God is trying to warn you about the natural consequences, but there are rules to stay in these kind of covenants.

So the covenant with Moses, when the Ten Commandments come down, that's a conditional covenant because God's saying you got to hold on to these principles.

Every covenant comes with a sign.

We have the rainbow that promises us for the Abrahamic covenant variant theme.

It was circumcision.

And then the sign of the covenant with Moses is obedience.

So say you go to a town and everyone in the town is a murdering liar except for one guy.

You know that one guy is in covenant with God.

And you can tell because you look at him and he's not a murdering liar.

Maybe he's honest and he's truthful and he's good and compassionate, all of the fruits of the spirit.

That's how you can tell somebody is in covenant with God, which is the benefit to people who don't believe in God when people believe in God if you really practice it out.

Because

you will be the one person who has not become dishonest, hopefully, if you hold on to these.

Or you're just really good at conning people.

That's an alternative as well.

Yeah, I mean, you could try.

I think God will figure it out.

Yes.

Okay.

So, and it's important when you say, you know, because

God's cursed you, it sounds like witchcraft.

And it's not.

It is natural consequences.

It is like, you know, it's like when your mom or dad said, hey, don't touch the stove.

And you're like, oh yeah.

Ow!

Mom and dad didn't make you burn yourself.

They were just warning you, don't, don't do it.

It's going to leave a mark.

It's going to be bad.

It's going to be bad.

Okay, more in just a second.

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Who's Bill Cloud?

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Bill Cloud is the founder of Shoroshim Ministries, and he's the leader of Jacob's Tenth Fellowship in Tennessee.

Bill, welcome back to the program.

Been a long time.

It has been a little while, but thank you, Glenn.

You bet.

So,

Bill, let's talk about the covenant, and if we can put it into perspective of why it's important today in America for Americans to do this, do you think

you could explain that?

Well, I'm going to go back to something Michaela said earlier.

You know, when there's these different covenants that people make with one another, but in the Bible, you know, it's a lot heavier than that.

And I want to go back to the idea of the cutting because blood is involved.

You know, when you have a covenant in the Bible, almost always you're going to see blood.

And the importance of that is because life is in blood.

And so, biblically speaking, when you make a covenant with God, or when God makes a covenant with you,

it's basically saying your lives are intertwined with one another.

And so, in a national

context, if we believe that we as a nation are in covenant with God, then our national life is dependent on that relationship with God.

And so, it's not a good thing when we say we don't want God in school, we don't want God in this, we don't want God in the town square.

That's going to have a

very, you know,

there's going to be consequences of that.

And so Americans need to be reawakened to, you know, we just don't use God when we want Him and then throw Him out when we don't need Him or we don't think we need Him.

You know, this is an everyday thing, and our lives are intertwined with this relationship we have with God.

So

it's, you know, that's a very

basic idea, I guess.

But

when we tell God we don't want him,

there is this risk that he's going to say, okay, you're going to turn away from me.

I'll turn away from you.

Yeah,

I think we know how, well, for those of us who are a little older, maybe, and remember America as she was, we have been greatly, greatly blessed.

We're still blessed

to even be standing at this point.

And it feels as though lately that

evil is just permeating everything.

It's not that we've just said, hey, we're not interested in you.

We are actually doing things now

as a slap in his face, I think.

Yes.

Yeah.

It's like poking him in the eye and saying, I dare you to do anything.

And there is a lot of history in the Bible where Israel, who was in covenant with God, by the way, my opinion, there are two unique nations in the history of the world.

Yes.

Israel, because God made a covenant.

He asked Israel to enter into covenant with him.

The other being the United States of America, because we ask him to enter into covenant with us.

And you've already mentioned several people in American history who reaffirmed that.

And by the way, in Hebrew, The name for the United States is Adzot Habrit, which means the land of the covenant.

So there's all these things that kind of underscore the idea that America is unique in that we are in covenant with the God of the Bible.

And so then when we break that covenant,

if we decide nationally to turn our backs to him, then there is the risk that he turns his face from us, removes his presence from us, and then that allows another presence, one that wants to steal, wants to kill, wants to destroy.

And that's what I believe, Glenn, we're seeing beginning.

Well, it's been going on for a while, but now it's, you know, it's really gaining traction.

Yeah.

And we're at a tipping point, it seems.

All right.

Hang on just a second, Bill.

Bill Cloud joins us.

We're going to continue our conversation here in just a minute.

By the way, I've asked Congress to pass the same covenant that Abraham Lincoln passed in the 1850s.

No one,

no one would take it to the floor.

No one would take it to the floor.

That's how off the path we are.

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America has always fought itself.

Are we from Jamestown?

Are we the pilgrims?

Are we from

those people that came here from religious persecution or those who came and persecuted people by taking them from Africa or persecuting people here?

That has been the great debate.

I choose to to follow the pilgrim's path.

Let me take you back to 1630.

It's a group of families.

They just finished making a compact or covenant.

They're aboard the ship named the Arabella.

This is the future Massachusetts Bay Colony.

It's right in the distance.

And John Winthrop delivers a speech that everybody used to know.

He said, Thus stands the cause between God and us.

We are entered into a covenant with him for this work.

We've taken out a commission.

The Lord has given us leave to draw our own articles, to make our own promises, to make our own laws.

Now, if the Lord shall please to hear us and bring us in peace to the place we desire,

Then he has ratified this covenant and sealed our commission.

Now think of that.

The survival rate of people coming to the Americas was very, very low.

He's saying, we are making this covenant, and if the Lord will hear us and bring us peace so we can just live,

then he's ratified his side of the bargain, and he will expect a strict performance of the articles and promises contained in it.

But

if we shall neglect the observation of these articles and promises, and we dissemble with our God,

fall into embrace this present world, and prosecute our carnal intentions, seeking great things for ourselves and our posterity, the Lord will surely break out in wrath against us and be revenged of such people and make us know the price of the breach of such a covenant.

The price of the breach of such a covenant.

I know you didn't make a covenant, maybe you didn't know, but this is a covenant land,

and we are deep in the breach.

I have Bill Cloud with me, and Bill

is a Bible scholar.

He is a teacher, an author.

Take me to Samson

and the covenant with Samson and why that's important to us.

Well,

before he was born, and this is kind of addressing a point that you just made, Before he was born, his mother was visited by an angel.

The Lord said, you're going to have a child.

And here's his purpose.

He's going to begin to deliver Israel from the oppression of their enemies.

And so the very reason for Samson's existence was to bring relief to oppression.

And he was to be born a Nazarite,

which is a very, there's some very specific

components of that vow that

was a Nazarite would make.

But the point here at the beginning is his reason for existence was to deliver the people, to bring relief from oppression, and he was born into it.

He didn't ask to be a Nazarite.

He didn't ask for that.

It was something that was decided for him.

What is a Nazarite?

What did you have to, how did you have to live if you were going to be a Nazarite?

Yeah, well, if you're a Nazarite, you're consecrated.

You're set apart.

You're kind of above and beyond the rest in terms of your relationship with God and what he requires of you.

And you couldn't, for instance, you couldn't drink wine, you couldn't partake of anything pertaining to the grave, you couldn't touch a dead body, a corpse, you'd be rendered unclean.

Of course, a Nazarite also could not cut their hair.

And that's what probably most people associate with Samson, is his strength and the story of Delilah and the hair and everything.

But he was expected to live up to the vows of the Nazarite.

Of course, there's a lot of examples in the Bible where he wasn't always that good at it.

Yeah, no.

He consorted with all all these strange women.

He's touching dead lions and all these kinds of things.

And yet, God's Spirit would come upon him, use him to bring deliverance.

However, you know, there was a point where he crossed a line, and that's when he allowed Delilah to cut his hair.

And how does that relate to us?

The hair of a Nazarite was considered sacred.

In fact,

in a normal

circumstance, if a Nazarite completed a vow, he would cut his hair and that hair would be burned on the altar.

It couldn't be used for anything common because it was considered holy.

The word in Hebrew that describes his hair is the same word that describes the crown of the high priest of Israel, the crown that said holy unto the Lord.

Same word.

So imagine a scenario where the high priest of Israel, who is to be the mediator between God and his people, and he's to represent what is set apart and holy, if he were to take that crown and then then throw it before pagans and idolaters and let them desecrate it and trample it under feet, in essence, that's what Samson did when he allowed Delilah to cut his hair.

So my point would be this, where Samson's concerned, relating it to America.

There's no doubt in my mind that God raised this nation up for a reason, for a purpose, and I believe it was to bring relief from oppression.

You know, those people you were just talking about came to this nation to be delivered, to be free from that oppression, and to found a nation that would represent that relief from oppression.

And Winthrop said, if

God does this and He allows us to do that, then we will take that as evidence that He has ratified this covenant.

But He has expectations, and we have not always lived up to those expectations.

We have failed many times, and yet

we still stand reasonably strong.

But here is where I believe we are at.

We're at the risk of taking what is sacred, desecrating it, saying it is of no regard to us, and casting it down, so to speak, to be trampled underfoot by people who have no regard for God and the covenant and these kinds of things.

And if we ever get to that place, if we cross that line, then what?

When Samson woke up, he thought he would just go out like he'd always done, but he didn't realize that the Spirit of God had departed from him.

And then he was turned over to his enemies.

So hang on just a second.

So Bill, he had, because he had violated many things and he still kept going.

And it's kind of like us.

We violated many things.

We just kept going.

But then that last straw, the sacredness of who he was, that representation.

When he discarded it, cut it and discarded it, that's when it wasn't all of a sudden.

He just didn't notice it.

It wasn't because of one one thing.

It was many, but this was the last straw.

So if I understand your parallel correctly, at least this is the way I'm interpreting it.

So I don't know.

But I feel like what is sacred is our Declaration of Independence, our

Constitution, and our...

our

place in the world.

And I don't mean that we're supposed to dominate everybody.

We're supposed to be a place of refuge

and law and order based on the

Judeo-Christian principles that we were founded on.

Absolutely.

Right?

So

as we are saying, this country is nothing but garbage,

we are cutting our hair.

I would agree.

I mean, those documents you mentioned, they were based on those principles that we find in the Bible.

I mean, Winthrop went on to say in that model of Christian charity, that if we don't keep our end of the bargain, to paraphrase, that we will become a byword and a parable.

And he's quoting Moses, who was saying to Israel, if you don't uphold your end of the bargain in this covenant with God, here's what's going to happen.

You're going to be turned over to your enemies because you considered what was sacred to be

less than.

You desired other things.

You desired your flesh and your whims and whatever it is you wanted.

You turned to those things and you cast what was sacred to the ground.

So yes, I believe that if we're not already doing it,

our head is going down into Delilah's lap, so to speak.

Okay.

Hang on just a sec, Bill.

I want to do one more segment with you as we talk about the meaning of the covenant.

And you know, I know there be people that don't agree with this.

This is not religion.

It is scriptural, but it's not anybody's faith per se.

It's not doctrinal.

It is universal and eternal.

And we're supposed to take the scriptures and learn from them and see the patterns.

And I think that was a pretty eye-opening pattern, at least for me, that now

is the time.

We are running out of time.

And if you want to save our country, then we need to change our ways immediately and do not...

No.

We need to stand

for those things that are sacred.

Not just fight against those things that are evil, but stand for those things that are sacred.

This has got to be about...

action.

It has to be about how you live your life and what are you willing to say.

What are you willing?

Are you willing to stand up for these things?

Because if we don't, we cut our hair.

Taken out of context, that's the weirdest sentence I've ever said.

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And Bill, I can't thank you enough for making time to be with me today.

I know you're a busy man.

My pleasure.

You're a busy man.

Let me take you to Esau because

with

Samson,

he was born into it, and he didn't make the covenant.

And I think that's the way most people will feel.

I didn't make the covenant.

And so he cheapened it.

He didn't regard it.

That's the same with Esau, is it not?

It is.

It is.

In fact, Esau, as far as I'm concerned, he's the profile of what

a covenant breaker looks like.

You know, someone who's born into it.

You know, his grandfather is Abraham.

You guys were talking about it at the very beginning of the program.

He's born into this, but he has no regard for it.

And so there are a lot of things that he demonstrates, you know, that are the attitude of people.

Well,

I didn't ask for this.

I don't want this.

It really doesn't mean anything to me.

The difference I would say is that where Samson, when he's delivered over to the very people he's supposed to deliver Israel from, he's blinded, but then he begins to see.

You know, and the Spirit of God did come back on him.

But Esau, he's different.

He digs in his heels.

He's obstinate.

He's deliberate in his refusal to embrace the covenant.

And so he becomes Jacob's, Israel's nemesis.

And if I may, you know, you were talking, or you said something along the lines of, are we going to follow the pilgrim path or are we going to follow the Jamestown path?

Interestingly enough, Jacob and Esau, it's kind of an example of what you're talking about.

These two that were in the same womb contending with one another, who's going to rise to the top and who's going to lord over the other.

And so that war between Jacob and Esau, I see that going on in America right now.

And

it is a war.

You know, it's amazing.

His grandfather was Abraham.

It's always three generations to lose things but abraham is your grandfather my grandfather was world war ii

he knew what freedom meant he knew the cost of it and so many people my age and and younger are like yeah i don't really care my grandfather would have just i mean you know he would have just slapped people across the face what are you talking about Be grateful for what you have.

We fought hard for this.

And now we just don't care.

We just don't care.

Well, you know, that's basically Esau's approach to it.

He goes in, and Jacob is making some food there, and Esau says, I'm really hungry.

And Jacob says, well, sell me your birthright.

You know, what's Esau's response?

What good is this thing to me?

This doesn't mean anything to me.

I would rather satisfy a physical appetite and give away what's sacred for what's common.

And so here we are again, back at that idea that when you have someone, biblically speaking, who has no regard for what is sacred, he actually, Esau becomes God's enemy, not just Jacob's enemy.

He becomes God's enemy because he had no regard for these things that were sacred and holy.

He would prefer the material wealth, you know, the stuff.

We want the stuff, but we don't want the responsibility that goes along with the blessing.

It's amazing, Bill.

It's amazing.

Bill Cloud, thank you for being on.

I'd love to have you on again sometime in the next month or so as we do this 40 days and 40 nights.

Thank you so much.

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Hi, Skip.

How are you, friend?

It's a great honor to be on your program.

Oh, I was quite surprised that anyone would even ask, but thank you so much.

Oh, my gosh.

No, you're, I mean,

your teaching just on the mistranslation of the Beatitudes is some of the best stuff I've ever seen.

So thank you so much.

You're welcome.

So let's go there.

Okay.

So the Beatitudes, They're blessings.

You know, if we do these spiritual things, we're going to be blessed and get some reward.

Blessed are the poor, for the kingdom of heaven is theirs.

You say, uh-uh.

Yes.

No, no.

The problem is, of course, that our idea of Beatitudes comes from the Latin translation, which makes it sound like a blessing.

But in both Greek and in Hebrew,

the more proper translation would be lucky.

And of course, the Christian world, Christian publishers, don't like the idea of luck in a religion.

Right.

So they don't use that.

But both makarioi, which is the Greek term, and ashrei, which is the Hebrew term, are all about how lucky you are when these things happen to you.

It has nothing to do with you getting something.

It's just a description of what it is like when you live these kinds of experiences.

And of course, every one of us...

can identify with some of this experience because it's all, as I say in my book, sacred paradoxes, things that are upside down, that seem like the exact opposite of what they should be.

And God uses all of those to move us in his direction.

So tell me about the word lucky here.

I just want to dwell on this for a second.

Because I used to say, oh, I'm so lucky.

And I...

I believe we, I was in a conversation with this, with some bunch of people just the other day.

You know how lucky we are to live at these times?

Because we get to see who we really can be because our back is up against the wall.

So we're lucky to live at this time.

That's different than I'm blessed.

And I now say I'm blessed or I'm lucky and I mean two different things.

Tell me,

is there a difference like that in these translations from Hebrew?

Yes.

Go ahead.

Yes, actually,

you know, Hebrew is a very tactile, earthy kind of language.

It's about the land.

It's about the people, it's about the dirt, it's about all the things that come into life and ordinary living.

So luck plays a big part of that because good things happen, and you think, oh my gosh, how lucky, how blessed I am to be

alive during this time.

When the rain comes, it's a blessing.

It's also lucky, by the way, because it means that I'll have crops.

So in that sense, luck and blessing are pretty much the same.

But that's not what happened when the translation started changing the concept of this Greek and Hebrew idea.

By the time you get to the Vulgate, the Latin translation, you move in the direction of a blessing given by someone else.

So, as I suggest in my book, there might be an ecclesiastical reason for this because

in ancient times, you had to go to the priest to get a blessing.

And the idea is that he would bless you for some spiritual

exercise or some attitude that you had, and you would be rewarded for that.

So now you become dependent upon the religious aristocracy to give you the blessing that you need in order to survive.

But that's not what the biblical text is all about.

The biblical text is about how lucky you are when these really terrible things happen to you.

Okay, so wait.

Let me just take one.

Blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

There's no priest there that is blessing you

there, the poor.

And what is the real what's the real translation is that?

Okay, so

the Greek term starts with this predicate adjective, makarios, which we've translated as blessed as though it's a verb, but it's not a verb.

It's just a description of the character of a person who is, in this case, poor before God.

Now, the interesting thing about that word is that there are multiple definitions for, or multiple terms in Greek and Hebrew for what poor means.

And in this case, it means destitute.

So it's not the day laborer.

It's not the guy who lives from paycheck to paycheck.

The idea is that the poor here is someone who's so, he's the beggar.

He's the one who's laying in the street.

He's so

destitute that unless somebody comes in and helps him, he's going to die.

So

now what Jesus is saying is how lucky you are to be completely destitute,

which seems completely backwards.

But then he goes on to say the paradox is that when you're that desperate for God, God shows up, the kingdom of God arrives.

He basically says the reason that the kingdom of God even shows up in life is because people are desperate for God.

If you're not desperate, you're not going to see the kingdom.

So your comment about the world is on fire is the perfect time for us to say, wait a minute, everything is falling apart.

We're in desperate situations, desperate straits.

Now is the time when we should be looking for the kingdom because that's when God arrives, when people are desperate for him.

When we don't need God, you know, it's like Heschel says, we put him in exile and then we think, oh, we can survive without him.

But in fact, What actually happens is that the world starts to collapse as it is, and it's done many times before.

And that's when desperation takes over, and that's when God starts looking to our hearts to see, you know, what to do next.

So with Beatitude, it's all about that kind of thing.

So

you're lucky, and I speak as a recovering alcoholic.

I look at all of the tragedies in my life, and I look at them and say,

And it took me a while to get here, but I look at them and go, you know, if that wouldn't have happened, then then I wouldn't have been here and I wouldn't have been here and I wouldn't have learned that and I wouldn't have done that.

And you can look at all of the horrible things in your life, and if you view them as a blessing or lucky would be a better word in that case, you're looking at the things that you fail

and where you have really gone down to the bottom.

You are lucky if you view it that way.

And

you're, you're

because your heart is open now, it's not like God comes and he's like, well, I'm waiting for you to be humble and I'm not going to show.

I've got some other thing.

I've got to play some pool at three this afternoon.

He's always trying to get you, but you won't listen.

So you're lucky because God's there, right?

The kingdom of heaven is.

Isn't that the full translation?

The kingdom of heaven is.

So he's there, but now you're open to him.

Yeah, now you see it.

I mean, look, I often say it this way: the best resume you can have is your failure resume.

Because God can't work with your success resume.

You did that.

He's working with your failure resume.

The things that you collapse over, the things that drove you to the ground, the things that put you on your knees, those are the times when God becomes

the only solution to your life.

And that's

when he really shows up.

So

I write two resumes when people ask for my stuff.

I send them the

five degrees and all the books and everything.

And then I say, okay, wait a minute, there's another resume that you need to know about.

And that's the one of all of my failures.

All the things that I couldn't do became the part of me that makes me who I am.

So give me, so let me just go back to this one.

And then

can you show us the different beatitudes and what they really say?

Lucky are those who are desperate because

of them, the kingdom of heaven is.

That's the actual translation.

Exactly.

Yeah, actually,

there is a word dhoti, and it means because of them.

No scholar will tell you that it should be translated for theirs is, because then it makes it sound like we get a piece of the real estate of heaven.

Correct.

That's not what happens at all, right?

What happens is, because I'm desperate, the kingdom of God arrives.

I mean, look what Jesus says.

The kingdom is at hand.

And what he means is he's dealing with people who are finally desperate enough to see that God is ready to answer them, that he's going to show up, right?

And it's because of their desperation that God shows up.

And you can see that in the history of Israel.

I mean, think about the number of times that the prophets excoriate Israel over being too fat, too happy.

too comfortable that they ignore their social responsibility, they ignore the poor, and what happens?

They collapse.

And then when they collapse,

they plead, God, you know, forgive us, bring us back.

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That's the kind of thing that goes on in this beatitude.

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All right.

So

let's go through these.

Okay.

Go ahead.

So the first one, of course, we've now talked about,

you know, the lucky ones are the destitute because the kingdom of God shows up.

The second one we read as, I'll read it from the New International, or the New American Standard Bible.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they should be comforted.

But think about that.

The term that's used there is the term for a person who's at a funeral.

So why are people at funerals lucky?

You would think that's the last place on earth that you would ever say, oh, I'm so lucky I'm at this funeral.

Because you're alive.

The point,

yeah.

Well, but the point is that once you are at, when you're at a funeral, you experience the fragility of life.

Yeah.

The first time you come into contact with the fact that you're not in charge, right?

That you can't make your life go on by yourself.

You can't just decide I'm going to live longer.

You don't have any control over that issue of life and death.

And when you're at a funeral, it smacks you in the face.

The point there is, I'm really lucky because now I get to confront the fact that I'm not in control.

It is the same feeling that we had on 9-11.

If you're old enough to remember, it was the worst day.

But it was the first day in my life where I went, oh my gosh, this is so fragile.

This could come down overnight.

And I had never felt that before.

And we're feeling that, I think, as a society, we're feeling that again.

We're not quite sure how it's working yet.

We know that there's something really wrong, but we haven't been able to put our finger on it like an attack on the Twin Towers.

But we know that something is happening that's destroying things, and it's making us feel out of control.

All you have to do is look at the craziness of the politics that's going on in Washington.

Those people are out of control.

And that makes me feel very vulnerable.

And that's the time,

because of this language, it says when you when you're in the

you know when you confront death especially death of a loved one you realize

how absolutely dependent you are on God and that feeling of dependence goes right along with my desperateness for God so the two beatitudes work together you know the third one is even better because the third one you know just let me back up for a second Jesus doesn't deliver these in Greek he delivers them in Hebrew so in order for me to really understand what's happening, I can't just read the Greek.

I have to say, okay, well, what would happen if he was speaking this in Hebrew?

And the word that he uses in Hebrew is Anna,

which we translate sometimes as gentle, but it really means humble.

But it means more than that because that word is about people who are oppressed.

In fact, it's used for women who have been raped.

Okay, so look at the third beatitude.

Blessed are those who are oppressed, for they shall inherit the earth.

I mean, the whole point is no one would think that they're lucky because they were oppressed.

No woman thinks she's lucky to be raped.

No country thinks it's lucky to be bombarded and overrun.

But what Yeshua is saying is, no, wait, there's a paradox here.

When you come to the point where your life is not only not in your control, but where everything is happening that seems destructive, that's when something happens with God and you recognize that

there's a hope, a future, something that's going to happen afterwards.

And you can build on that because God's promises are always true.

So

even if I'm in the worst possible condition, as David is often in the Psalms, he will say, but you, Lord, are my rescue.

In other words, yeah, life is short,

but

it's not going to continue like that because I trust God will redeem.

God will rescue.

So the Beatitude takes this horrible situation and turns it upside down.

Skip Mowen.

Skip Mowen.

He's an international Bible teacher.

You can find him at skipmowen.com.

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We've been talking about the mistranslation of the Beatitudes, which totally turns things around.

It goes,

it loses of, you do this, you know, if you're poor, I got a present for you at the end to

be grateful that you're poor right now because

that's you get to see the kingdom of heaven because you're going to you can you can find it because you are desperate to find it.

That is fantastic, Skip.

Fantastic.

I don't know why more people aren't teaching it this way.

It's really good.

Well, I think the reason that more people don't understand this is because we've had, you know, a thousand or fifteen hundred years of the church's use of the Beatitudes as though they were spiritual rewards.

And, you know,

it's comfortable.

I mean, the Beatitudes are really, as I've said, spiritual paradoxes.

They're very uncomfortable because they're all about the situations in life that we would like to avoid.

Right.

So,

you know, when you read them like that, it doesn't preach very well.

So I think, especially in today's world where we are not grateful for anything, anything.

And I have, about a year or so ago,

I don't know what made me think this, but I thought, it was my dad, because it was longer than this.

My dad, I wondered

if he ever got to rev his

philosophical or spiritual RPMs to the red line.

Because he didn't, you know, in his own way, he was challenged, but not the way people are challenged right now.

Right now, we are entering a time where our RPMs are going to go up, you know,

we're going to see what this internal engine can do.

And that is exciting and a blessing to be able to fully

have to access our brain and our spirit.

It's fantastic.

Yeah, I think that when I when I talk about the Beatitudes, I often talk about these as the qualities of leadership.

Because, you know, frankly, if you don't have leaders who exhibit these kinds of characteristics, you have leaders who are, you know, who have the egomaniacal

attitudes toward themselves.

I mean, when you think about what these beatitudes say, they really say that that, this kind of heart of a person, this kind of character, is the person that

Yeah, not only that you want to follow, but you can't wait to follow because their lives are completely dedicated to

the things that matter to God.

And

that makes the nation work.

When you walk away from that, when you have leadership that's focused on

power or on something like that, then you lose the perspective of what God had in mind when he created the human society.

Okay, so we have blessed are the poor in spirit, blessed are those who mourn, blessed are the meek, for they'll inherit the earth.

Yes.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

Yes.

And the way that I read that,

just very briefly, is that those people are the ones who don't get what they deserve.

So the paradox is the very people who hunger and thirst, that means they don't have it, right?

In fact, the words in Greek mean a

consist a constant malnutrition.

It's not just that I'm hungry today, but I've been hungry every day.

Those people, says God, are the ones who exhibit the kind of attitude that I am looking for because they know that they need more.

The next one says,

Blessed are

the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

And for most of our English translations, it looks like a tautology.

Oh, yeah, give mercy, get mercy.

But the problem is,

that verse literally is

a line from Psalm 37.

And the word there in Hebrew is chesed, and it doesn't mean mercy.

It was mistranslated in the Septuagint and came over into the Greek as mercy.

But it actually has this really interesting, multi-level

idea of my social, political, spiritual responsibility for others and for myself.

It's all, Hesed is a really, really powerful word.

We could spend an hour just talking about that one word.

But what it means is it's like the pay-it-forward program.

It says God did something for me, and I owe him

for what he did, and he says you have to pass it on to someone else for it to be

acceptable.

You remember the

parable that Jesus gave about the rich, about the man who owed a huge amount of money money, and the king forgives him.

And then he goes out and takes his friend and says,

Give me what you owe me, which was a tiny amount.

And when he throws his friend in jail, the king hears this and he rescinds the forgiveness and deals very harshly with the man.

That's the idea.

And if I'm going to show, if I'm going to show chesed, I'm going to show this community care in my life, then

it has to be extended to the next person.

It isn't just for me.

It's got to go on through the society.

Next one is, Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.

Yeah, and you know that if you know anything about the Bible at all, you know that no one can see God.

So the paradox here is, how in the world can you ever have a pure enough heart so that you can see God?

Because the Bible tells you no man can see God and live.

So something else is going on behind this.

And

my analysis is, okay, wait a minute.

He's not saying that you're going to see God, that is, you're going to be in front of the, you know, the holy fire.

What he's saying is

if you work on the purity of your heart, the integrity of your heart, you will begin to see God's invisible handiwork in the lives of men.

And it's exactly what Jesus said when he said, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father.

You've seen the behavior.

You've seen the attitudes.

You've seen the care.

You see God happening in the lives of other people.

And you can't see it

if you're not looking for purity of heart.

It'll be blind to you.

You won't even recognize it.

But once you concentrate on purity of heart, then you'll start to see God show up.

And as you said, he's there all the time.

You just haven't been in a position to recognize it.

Blessed are the peacemakers.

For they will be called the children of God.

Yeah, and this is really interesting because a peacemaker is not someone who's at peace.

A peacemaker is the one who makes peace for others.

In other words, a peacemaker is the one who's shot at from both sides.

Right?

Wow.

Think about it.

We read that and they think, oh, I want peace, so then

I can be called the son of God because I'm going to be at peace.

But that's not what God's saying.

What he's saying is, you have to be the one to step into the conflict.

You have to be the one

to be shot at from both sides in order to bring peace.

That's the idea.

You are a peacemaker.

And the peacemaker is not the one who enjoys peace.

He's the one who's

in the middle of the fight trying to make it happen.

Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake.

Yes.

And this is really interesting because in Hebrew the idea is to be pursued.

Right?

So it's not that you're being tortured and imprisoned and all that kind of stuff.

It means that someone is after you because you're standing for righteousness.

And boy, is that ever true in life today.

You stand up for God's values and people come after you.

And what this beatitude is saying is, you're lucky when it happens.

I mean, remember, all of these are not blessings.

All of these are a description of how lucky you are to be in those positions.

And of course, it's exactly the opposite of what we think.

You know, we want peace, comfort, wealth, happiness.

And what God is saying is those things are exactly the things that keep you away from me.

It's in the middle of all this other stuff that you're more likely to find who I am and who you are.

And then, from a leadership perspective, I think it's, you know, it's the code of conduct that we need in our leaders if we're going to see any change at all.

It's really important stuff.

It's amazing to me how

God made us to where our natural instinct is an enemy of God.

You know, our natural instinct is to not do any of those things.

And yet when we do them, we feel so good,

but it's so easy to lose that, where I never lose the desire to eat ice cream.

Always.

And it makes me feel good when I eat it.

And I never think, oh, you know what?

I haven't thought about ice cream for a while.

But when it comes to service and all of these other things, you're like, oh, yeah, I should do that.

And then you're driving.

Why am I going?

I've got so much stuff to do.

And you feel good.

Why is it that we forget all of that?

But, you know, in Hebrew thought, in Jewish thought, there's a real interesting perspective on what it means to be human.

It's the conflict between

what's called the Yitzcharah, the Yitzchatov, the inclination to good and the inclination to evil.

And what Jewish thought is, is that we are the crossroads between those.

You never get rid of one or the other.

Correct.

They're always there.

Because the reason that they're always there is because that inclination to do for myself is what makes me go out into the world and get a job and marry and have children and change the world to fit me.

And that's a really powerful thing.

We've been exercising that since we were born.

Along comes the other inclination, the inclination to submit my desire for myself to God's will.

That's the inclination to good.

And that conflict goes on in me all the time.

It never stops.

It just is a matter of which one I feed.

It's like going to the gym.

If I keep practicing lifting, you know, for biceps, I ought to get big biceps, but my quads are going to be no good unless I

lift for the quads as well.

And so

what the Hebrew idea is, you need to practice both.

Of course, you need to be not a couch potato.

You need to get up and change the world.

But in changing the world, you need to make that change happen on God's behalf.

So you subvert that innate desire to change things so that it becomes a function of what God wants as well.

And this list of beatitudes just tells you, here's the characteristics that you need to be looking for.

You're fantastic.

Thank you so much.

And you, I mean, how humble of you to say, I didn't know anybody would ever want me on.

I think you're fantastic, and I'd like to have you again.

Thank you so much.

I really appreciate that, Glenn.

Thank you so much.

I tend to stay below the radar, but it's really nice to finally talk to you.

I've been listening to you for many years, and I really appreciate the time to talk.

Thank you.

Skip, can I ask you a question?

Because Because you've listened.

Sure.

You've listened to me.

We are at the place where we're really, really lucky.

You optimistic for Americans figuring this out and

changing their life spiritually so we can ask for God's help again?

Yeah.

I'm optimistic in the sense that I know that God is anxious for us to turn to Him, and He's always responsive to that.

I'm pessimistic when I look at human history.

Yeah.

Because

I've seen this look,

it was the Persians, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, the Egyptians, you know, the Greeks, the Romans.

We've all there have been stages in human history where we've come to this point of utter disaster.

And unfortunately, most of the time it's led to collapse.

It's not because

God is pushing it that way.

No.

It's because

we didn't respond to his invitation to change.

And

it reminds me of Ezekiel when Ezekiel goes after the leadership.

I mean, he exfuriates them by saying,

you know, it's not the people.

He holds the leadership accountable for the whole thing.

He says,

you sent the people in the wrong way.

You're responsible for all this.

And when I look at what's happening in America,

I live in Italy.

And

so I'm a little bit removed, but

my wife and I are really involved

in everyday checking on what's going on.

And I really feel like, boy, as you said, we're at desperate times.

Yeah, we are.

We're really at the edge we are um thank you so much skip we'll talk again

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