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So Devin Archer

was on with Tucker Carlson on his Twitter cast, and I want to just play

some of the things.

I thought it was, did you see it all, Stu?

Yeah, I watched.

I think there's going to be more, right?

Like he had released one clip.

I think there's going to be an extended interview that comes after this, but I watched the entire clip that was released.

Yeah, and I do feel bad for Tucker because he did this thing calling the show Tucker on Twitter.

And then they changed the name of Twitter.

So now I see Tucker on X now.

I don't even understand what's happening.

I don't know.

And I don't know how you're tweeting what you say when you tweet.

I don't know.

It's very uncomfortable.

But anyway, as I'm watching this with Devin Archer,

it was interesting because

Tucker was speaking Archer's language.

And so I felt like there was a lot of winking and nodding going on.

Oh, yeah.

Did you feel that way?

100%.

In fact, it was

looking at clips to pull from it you know, to give, you know, that we can play for the audience.

But it was like there's so many of them that they don't get to the final thing they're saying because they both kind of wink, nod, and laugh at each other because they know what they're saying, but they don't actually say it.

So it was hard to find the right clips to play.

Right.

And they did that because

they're both Washington creatures.

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah.

Tucker is a guy who grew up in Washington.

His family was in the media.

He knows it real well.

and so does Devin Archer.

And so let's just play some of these clips here.

This is

Hunter was an expert in knowing the guy.

The initial idea around the business is that they were going to provide the government insight and an additional network to raise capital and then deal with regulatory issues that you might have at the corporate level.

Right, regulatory issues.

Exactly.

Okay, so that would be more his

face.

Right.

But did he have a sophisticated understanding of regulation do you think

um i think that he led a team that had had a had a sophisticated

i lived in washington a long time around a lot of regulation also a very complex area absolutely absolutely i think there's that you know you got to be an expert in knowing the guy and he was the guy that was the expert in knowing the guy he was an expert in knowing the guy right and who was the guy he knew well he knew a lot of people but obviously there was some familiar you know some his brother his father uh some of his father's siblings.

So he knew a lot of people.

And obviously I know you're pointing to, you know, the father being the key relationship.

Well, no, I'm just trying to get a sense of

Washington is not a money town.

Right.

You know, people aren't in business in Washington for the most part, and most people don't have business skills that I noticed in 30 years of living there.

So really the business of Washington is selling access.

That's what it looked like to me, not just under Biden, but like yeah, no, I think that's it.

I mean, I think that's one of the core misconceptions.

I mean, it seems like when I, you know, understanding a regulatory environment means selling access at the end of the day.

That's how I interpret it.

And I think that's how most people

in Wall Street, whether they admit it or not, interpret it.

Yeah.

So

we've got a complex business that intersects with government.

We need a guy who knows it.

Right.

How do I, you know, deal with getting a guy a visa that needs to come over for a business deal?

Right.

Call our lobbyist that knows the guy in DHS or used to work in DHS or

in Customs and Border Patrol or or the people at the embassy in state, they might be able to help.

So there are very like tactical elements that are regulatory and compliance and governance that you have to go through.

And you got to know the guy that worked at the old agency that now has the lobbying firm that can go back to the agency and

get things put to the front of the line.

Well, that's exactly what I want is a guy who knows a guy,

but most of the guys he knows, you know, can line you up with hookers and crack.

But I think we all understand what is being said here.

Now, one of the key things that the phone calls that nobody, I don't hear anybody talking about,

he is talking about,

he's about to talk about some of the phone calls and

how Joe Biden knew that businessmen were present during the Hunter phone calls.

Okay.

Let's just, I want you to remember one thing, and I don't hear anybody talking about it.

These calls, the issue here is the time of day.

For example, the call with Burisma took place while Hunter was in Qatar and it was in the afternoon.

Well, that's the middle of the night here.

So dad calls at one o'clock in the morning.

He just, hey, son, I'm thinking about, he's not up at one o'clock in the morning.

He's not there.

So he's calling over

to China in the middle of the night and just, I just happen to be, I happen to be up.

Really?

And if it happens during the middle of the workday, does dad just take the phone call?

Is he just,

is he so

not busy

that he can just take the phone call at any time and he's making phone calls in the middle of the night?

You're having dinner over in Europe and it's 8 o'clock at night.

In Washington, D.C., that's 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning.

Can somebody ask that question?

All right, so here's a cut to.

Biden knew that businessmen were present during the Hunter call.

Biden, then the sitting vice president, knew that there were Hunter's business associates in the room.

Yeah, I think I could definitively say at particular dinners or meetings, he knew there were business associates.

he, you know, we'd

or if I was there, I was a business associate too.

So I think, or if, you know, any of the other colleagues from the D.C.

office or the New York office were there.

So, yeah, at times there were.

From the, you know, to be, you know, completely clear on the calls, I don't know if it was an orchestrated call-in or not.

It certainly was powerful, though, because, you know, if you're sitting with a foreign business person and you hear the vice president's voice, that's prize enough.

I mean,

that's pretty impactful stuff.

Yeah, it is impactful stuff there, isn't it?

And you notice, remember, he said at these dinners,

remember the ones that are in question are at least in Europe.

Now, Hunter Biden calling dad.

Is that an abuse of power at all?

Cut three.

You've got a lot of kids.

You're close to them.

Do you call them on speaker during business meetings?

Do I call them?

I mean, what is that?

A brown man calling his dad on a speakerphone during a business.

Right, to be clear, sometimes it was the call was coming in and the speaker would go on.

So it's just the presence.

You have to be, I mean,

you understand D.C., right?

So the power to have that access and that conversation and it's not in a scheduled conference call and it's a part of your family,

that's like the pinnacle of

power in D.C.

100%.

I guess I'm pivoting against the lie that I'm hearing people tell with a a straight face, Congressman Goldman, for example, that we don't really know what was going on.

Really?

You're taking a call from the vice president and you put it on speaker.

It's not just, hey, dad, I'm in a meeting with some buddies.

Right.

It's let me put my dad, the vice president, on speaker.

Yeah, yep.

In the rear view,

it's an abuse of soft power, I'd say.

Hmm.

In the rear view.

In the rear view.

Okay.

All right.

One last thing.

At the end of the clip that was released on Twitter yesterday, or X,

Tucker showed Devin a letter from Joe Biden from 2011.

And it's a pretty impressive letter for a guy who is a lacrosse player.

That's what he did.

He was a lacrosse player.

And then he went into business.

And

right as they're going into business, Joe Biden writes him this letter.

Now, listen to this clip.

We found this letter.

Kind of amazing.

It's from January 20th, 2011, which I think puts you in your late 30s, mid to late 30s, okay?

So you're a younger man.

This is from the Vice President of the United States, Joe Biden, to you personally, and it's personalized here at the bottom.

Devin Archer, Rosemont, Seneca Partners, that was your partnership with Hunter Biden in Georgetown.

Dear Devin, I apologize for not getting a chance to talk to you at the luncheon yesterday.

I was having trouble getting away from hosting President Hu, Wu Jintang, who's running China at that point.

I hope I get a chance to see you again soon with Hunter.

I hope you enjoyed lunch.

Thanks for coming.

Sincerely, Joseph R.

Biden Jr.

P.S.

Handwritten, happy you guys are together.

So there are many levels here.

But here's the Vice President of the United States saying to you, a man in his mid-30s, who's not a government official, I'm I'm sorry I was occupied with the guy who runs the world's largest country.

I would much rather talk to you and thank you.

What was he thanking you for?

Well,

you know, first of all, it's a lovely letter and it was.

It's quite enthusiastic.

It's a little weird though, right?

Yeah, well, listen, it was kind of the beginning of our partnership.

And he was thanking me and thanking Hunter, I think, at the end of the day for bringing this idea of this government regulatory strategic advisory business into the private equity world.

And I think he was excited about the prospects for hunter and um you know he was uh just just thanking me i think it was a nice gesture

yeah

yeah nice gesture stuck i mean yeah very nice gesture i mean I know if I am meeting with the, you know, the leader of the second most powerful and arguably now the most powerful country in the world,

and my son is like, hey, dad, dad, dad, dad, my friend is here.

My friend is here.

You're going to meet with him?

I look at my son going, I'm meeting with the leader of China right now.

But the first thing I do is say, hey, Secretary, come on in here just for a second.

I just want to dictate a letter here.

Hey, Rafe's friend.

Sorry I couldn't get away.

I mean, I would do it with a lot of sarcasm.

I think they might think it was nice, but it would would be completely sarcastic.

Sorry, I couldn't break myself away to meet with you yesterday,

but I was busy with the Chinese leader.

But hope to see you really soon.

By the way, thank you sincerely for all you're doing.

Yeah, and if what they're doing is putting together this partnership where they are creating the illusion of using me, I thought he didn't know about Hunter's business at all.

Yeah.

I didn't think he had met with anybody, talked to anybody, knew anything.

We're so far, I suppose, past this.

But again, this has never really been changed by Biden himself.

We now see Corinne Jean-Pierre saying he's never been in business with Hunter.

That's their new spin on the old claim that he didn't ever speak to Hunter about his business.

It was interesting to watch this happen.

And I think it's important to remember who Devin Archer is.

This is a guy who was roommates with John Kerry's stepson.

He was the, I think, the campaign finance co-chair of the John Kerry campaign.

This is not a conservative you're hearing from here.

And watching him try to answer these things, it seems like he's being somewhat careful.

with what he's saying.

He's still in legal trouble, and he is facing a lot of the same things that Joe and Hunter should be facing as far as charges go.

So he's trying to navigate those waters.

You can tell

he's kind of saying this stuff with that wink and a nod because he knows he's at risk and he can't say everything he wants to say.

But even with that, I think you get a lot out of this.

And this is just the first clip of this interview.

This is a big deal.

Yeah, and you also get from it the arrogance.

I mean,

I think Tucker played this expertly.

He approached him as a peer.

Look, you and I are both, we grew up in Washington.

We know what's going on here.

Am I right?

Yeah, yeah, I guess you.

I mean, retrospect, I guess it wasn't really a good idea.

They were, they were approached, he approached this interview with a, I know what's going on.

Come on, you know what's going on.

I know what's going on.

And surprisingly,

Devin Archer went right down that path with him.

Yeah.

And

that shows the arrogance and shows

the elitism of Devin Archer.

Yeah, and it may have come to a point here where Archer has realized whatever protection he might get from these relationships is now gone.

And he has nothing to lose, right?

I mean, he's being, he's being, they're coming after him for other

supposed offenses, which I have not, you know, I have not looked all that closely into whether he's guilty of the other stuff.

But all this stuff is on the record.

These are emails sent at the time.

We don't need to trust Devin Archer to believe these things.

And that's the newest thing that the left is trying to do, which is smear his character and say you shouldn't believe any of the stuff he says, while at the same time admitting it's true.

Their answer was not, oh, he didn't have 20 calls with Joe, with Hunter Biden's business associates.

It was, oh, they just talked about the weather.

Oh, it was no big deal.

Oh, it's been known forever.

You know, these are

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So Stu, I can't remember exactly.

I'm going to have to go back into our archives and look, but I can't remember why I feel this way,

but it's interesting to me that John Kerry's son, all of a sudden, he was an equal partner, all of a sudden distanced himself from all of this.

He was like, ah,

you know,

I got to make a phone call.

And he never returns.

I'm going out the store for some milk and never comes back.

And if I remember right, maybe you can clear this up.

It was kind of that feeling when he left that I don't want to be involved in any of this.

Do you remember it that way?

When you say he doesn't want to be involved in all this, you're saying in business with Hunter?

Yes.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, there was so much controversy toward the end of that.

And there was, I mean, I think a lot of people try to stay out of the blast radius when all that stuff starts happening,

which I understand.

It seemed like they were very close for a long time.

I don't remember exactly when the breakup was, though.

Uh, you know, they, they were, I'm gonna have to go back to the archives because I know we talked about it maybe three years ago.

Yeah.

Uh, and uh,

my recollection was it was like, what?

What?

I friends with him.

I don't know what you're talking about.

I was not being friends with him.

I don't know what,

you know, one of those situations where he, it felt like that there had been meetings where he's like, guys,

this is, this is not good.

This is way too obvious.

You're all going to go to jail and I'm not going to be around it.

That is definitely the one thing you learn about Hunter, especially going through this.

Obviously, a guy who leaves his laptop at a computer store is not necessarily known for his

high level of being discreet.

But like, you know, these messages he's sending are straight out admitting.

that he's doing this stuff, right?

He is saying to Chinese sources, to Devin Archer, that this is what they're doing.

They're trading on my name.

I know they're trading on my name.

This is what I'm in business to do.

And of course, that's something that's usually just said, left unsaid.

We all know this stuff happens.

They were admitting it constantly in texts, in WhatsApp messages, in emails.

And that's why this is so easy for everyone to piece together.

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Jim Jordan is joining us here in just a couple of seconds.

He is launching a new investigation and demanding documents and information on the Hunter Biden case because of the unusual plea and pre-trial diversion agreements, where he would have been washed clean of everything.

Everything.

And so he wants several questions answered.

Other than the Biden case, how many times in the the last 10 years has the U.S.

Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware included in pre-trial diversion agreement a provision similar to paragraph 14, which is

we're going to wash your record clean on everything.

Other than Mr.

Biden's case, how many times in the last 10 years has any unit of the department included in a pre-trial diversion agreement a provision similar to 14?

What percentage of the total pre-trial diversion agreements entered into by the department does that number represent?

It's going to be 100%.

Other than Biden's case, how many times in the last 10 years has the U.S.

Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware included a pretrial diversion agreement and an agreement not to prosecute crimes that are unrelated to the charge?

Other than his case, how many times in the last 10 years has the department included a pretrial agreement not to prosecute crimes that are unrelated?

What percentage of the total pretrial diversion agreements entered represent that number?

Again, he's just going through and wanting to know, you know, in the last 10 years,

what are we looking at here?

What are we looking at?

How rare is this?

And they're saying the speculation is like never before.

So

let's go to Jim Jordan.

Hello, Jim.

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

Very good.

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you're well you're doing you're doing great work we appreciate that so uh keep it up too

okay so let's talk a little bit about uh what's going on let's start with the inquiry into the sweetheart uh deal tell me about that

well the judge smelled a rat uh and and you know the key part of that transcript i would encourage all your listeners read that transcript because

you read this, you get inside the mind, see what the back and forth is like.

And it was particularly when she asked, has there ever been a deal like this before?

Is there any precedent for this?

And the government lawyer, the DOJ lawyer says, no, Your Honor, never been a deal like this.

Because what they try to do was put the, I think, this sort of immunity agreement they had with the handshake and a wink.

between the defense attorneys and the DOJ attorneys.

They put it in the diversion part of the agreement, not in the plea deal itself, which the judge has to sign off on the plea deal.

And she asked the right question.

She stopped it.

And I think

that sort of says it all.

And then you couple that with what we learned with David Weiss and the fact that he has said three different things in a five-week timeframe, three different letters about what he can and can't do.

His story keeps changing.

The IRS whistleblower story that came forth, their testimony was consistent and, frankly, validated by an FBI witness we also deposed.

So that, to me, I think, just shows

how wrong this agreement was and why the judge says, time out, time out.

We're taking 30 days.

We're going to get this right if we're going to do it at all.

Jim, be more generous than Mother Teresa would be

on the answer to this question.

I mean, try to really give the benefit of the doubt here.

The press keeps saying, you know, all these accusations, but so far there's been no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Boy, I'm having a hard time with that.

I mean, it seems to be mountains of evidence.

How would you describe the evidence?

Well, I would say this.

Think about what witnesses have said.

So first you have Tony Bobolinsky two and a half years ago, business partner of Hunter Biden, saying that that email that says that the big guy, 10% for the the big guy, that in fact is Joe Biden.

We know that email came from the laptop that the FBI has now admitted is real.

They knew it was real at the time and didn't tell us, but they've now admitted that the laptop is real.

We know what is real.

So you have that.

Then you have the WhatsApp message where from that, which says, Hunter Biden says, I'm sitting by my dad, send the money or else, basically.

Then you have the 1023 form, which you have the folks from Burisma saying, confidential human source saying he's talked to foreign nationals who talk about this payment for policy decision.

And then, of course, you have the testimony we got Monday from Devin Archer, where he talks about the meeting in Dubai, December 4th, 2015, the meeting in Dubai between Archer, Hunter Biden, Zolachevsky, and Pazarsky.

Zolichevsky and Pazarsky are the guys who run Burisma.

They say in that meeting with the two guys, Archer and Hunter Biden, they say we need the U.S.

government to get involved.

We're under all kinds of pressure, pressure from the Ukrainian prosecutor, pressure in Great Britain where they've seized 23 million of our assets.

We've got all kinds of of pressure five days later, literally five days later, Joe Biden is in Ukraine.

He gives a speech criticizing the prosecutor in Ukraine, which begins to lay the foundation for what happens a few months later, which is where the prosecutor is fired in order for Ukraine to get the $1 billion.

So those are the things that keep kind of piling up, not to mention the suspicious activity reports, the number of different companies moving money in and out of and paying all kinds of Biden

with that money.

They keep saying that Joe Biden...

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, no,

the Democrats say this illusion of access.

That sure doesn't look like an illusion.

It looks like some pretty compelling facts to me.

They keep saying that Joe Biden hasn't gotten any money, which I haven't seen any proof that he has gotten any money.

However, we do know that Hunter was paying dad's bills.

We know that Hunter said in text on the laptop laptop to his the rest of his family, dad takes 50% of what we earn.

We know that the shell corporations that have no, they have no experience in any of the stuff that they were doing as a family, and we know the money was going in suspiciously earmarked by the banks as looks like money laundering.

We know all of this.

How difficult is it to tie it together legally?

Yeah,

you know,

one of the things that came out after the Devin Archer interview on Monday was the Democrats said, well, you know, there was these multiple times where Hunter Biden puts his dad on the phone and it's with business partners and clients and people they're doing business with, but they never really talked about any.

They never talked about business.

Well, I didn't expect them to, for goodness sake.

I think the key was what Devin Archer testified to.

He said the value Hunter Biden brought to the business arrangement was the Biden brand.

And the Biden brand, he was clear about this, the Biden brand is Joe Biden.

And so, of course, he's not going to talk about business.

He's going to put, hey, guys, say hello to the vice president.

Hey, guys, my dad wants to say hello to you.

That was the value in and of itself right there.

And, of course, the White House's story has changed, just like David Weiss's story has changed.

The White House said, no, the president had no involvement, never talked to, never was involved, didn't know anything about it.

And, of course, that story has changed now over time as well.

Now, is there any chance, again, be Mother Teresa, is there any chance that the sitting vice president calls in and is introduced to a meeting of the leaders of Burisma?

And he's in charge of trying to get corruption ended.

And he doesn't know that one of the guys that leads Burisma is one of the most violent oligarchs in Ukraine.

Any chance that he didn't know that?

I don't think so because our State Department knew that.

Our State Department initially had concerns about Burisma and Hunter Biden's involvement.

That came out in the impeachment, the crazy impeachment they tried on President Trump four years ago

back in 2019.

And oh, by the way, that meeting in Dubai on December 4th, 2015, there was also a phone call.

Now, this is interesting how Devin Archer explained this.

He said there was a phone call, but he wasn't a part of that phone call.

He was on a different part of the hotel, a different part of the deck, he said.

And they were on another part of the deck there at the four seasons, and there was a phone call to D.C.

We don't know who it was to.

Devin Archer said, I don't know who it was to, but it was to D.C.

So, was it to Joe Biden?

We don't know.

Mr.

Archer wouldn't testify to that.

He said he didn't know.

But it was to D.C.

And, of course, we'll have to try to figure that one out.

So, dad just calls in once in a while, or he or

the son calls dad during dinner meetings over in Ukraine or in Europe.

If he's having dinner over in Europe, dinner meetings, it's probably eight, nine o'clock over in Europe.

Is dad just awake calling his son at three o'clock in the morning?

I mean, the time difference is never talked about here.

Yeah, no, that's an interesting take.

And yeah, I would say like what's dubai would probably be like a nine-hour difference, I'm guessing.

And

call DC.

So late at night, I guess it could, yeah, it's probably early, certainly early in the morning.

I don't know.

That's something that probably in the course of our investigation, we'll have to dig into it a little bit more as well.

But yeah,

you're exactly right.

It makes sense.

Now, but there was also, understand, there was also meetings in D.C.

with

dinner meetings with

Hunter Biden and his business partners, the Cafe Milano in Georgetown, because Mr.

Archer testified to this as well.

There are meetings in D.C.,

I think 2014, 2015, and one of those dinners, and Joe Biden was there for the whole dinner.

It wasn't just a drop-by.

You know, it wasn't just like the phone call, hey, say hello, where he drops by, shakes some hands, and leaves.

Mr.

Archer said he stayed for the entire dinner.

And in one of those dinners, of course, you have Elena Batarina, who is the wealthiest woman in Russia,

wife of the former mayor of Moscow, who had paid Hunter Biden significant, several million dollars.

And she's there for the entire dinner as well.

So that, I think, is interesting, interesting fact.

And that's something that they said he didn't do.

But, of course, Mr.

Archer said, yes, in fact, he was there for the entire dinner.

One more thing.

There was an interesting article written by Joel Pollack that I saw this morning that they are talking

that

we should be pushing to have Congress

nullify the first impeachment of Donald Trump because the whole thing was he was trying to, you know, get the president of Ukraine to look into what the dirty dealings were, and they said that was dirty dealing.

And it looks now like, no, there was a really good reason to ask for that.

It sure does.

And we suspected that at the time.

It sure does.

And I'm all for the expungement.

I think it's Congresswoman Stefanik and I forget who else is sponsoring that.

But yeah, we should,

I'm totally for that.

But yeah, it's always amazing.

And remember, that was an impeachment based on an anonymous whistleblower with no first-hand knowledge

who had a bias, we seemed biased against the president, and who had previously worked for Joe Biden.

That was the source.

We couldn't know this whistleblower.

No, he couldn't testify.

Compare that to Gary Shapley and Mr.

Ziegler and how they stood up under pressure in a hearing, how their story has not wavered.

Their testimony has been consistent.

Their testimony has been backed up by an FBI agent.

Compare the two.

and they tried to impeach a president.

So of course we should do that.

So the last question, compare this to Nixon.

Better or worse for Joe Biden than the trouble Nixon was in?

Well, I think the key is we just got to keep doing our job.

And our job, our constitutional duty, frankly, is to provide oversight, do oversight, do the investigation, to get the facts, because the facts influence what kind of legislation you propose and pass and implement, what you do with the appropriations process and how these agencies are funded.

Just continue to do our job.

Bring the facts forward.

Let me point out one thing that has happened because of oversight we've done.

It's a different area, but I think it's important, Glenn.

Remember when we found out Matt Taibbi was testifying in front of our committee?

Democrats were trying to divulge sources.

He gives them a lecture in the First Amendment, for goodness sake.

At the very moment he's testifying, and he's being attacked.

Democrats, by the way, by the way, a Democrat member of the press being attacked.

The IRS is knocking on his door.

Did you see what the IRS announced two weeks ago?

And we made a big deal of this.

We dug into it.

We found out there was a dossier on Taiibi.

They were looking, before they went to his door, they were looking, did he have a feel carry permit?

What was his voting work?

We find out the IRS makes a change.

The IRS says we will no longer be sending agents unannounced visits to Americans' homes.

That doesn't happen, but for us doing our duty, doing the oversight work we're supposed to do.

Now, of course, the IRS says, oh,

we did this for agent safety.

Bullroar.

They did it because they've got them playing this kind of game.

And it wasn't just typey.

We had a person in Ohio where they did this, and the person came to her door and used an alias.

He tried to pretend he was somebody else.

And the local police thought it was a scam.

They were getting ready to arrest the guy.

And it turned out he's an IRS agent.

So, yeah, and they try to say it's because they're concerned about their agent's safety.

Give me a break.

It was because they were harassing the American people.

That's why you do oversight because it can affect real change.

Jim,

I'd like to talk to you off air.

Some

things are happening in my world that

probably

should be heard.

Some really dirty business is going on.

So I'd like to bring it to your attention off air.

Thank you so much, Jim.

I appreciate everything you're doing.

God bless you.

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Chadwick is the author of Tucker,

the new book that is out.

Welcome, Chadwick.

How are you, sir?

I'm doing very well.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for inviting me on.

You bet, you bet.

So let's talk a little bit about how this came about,

the biography.

Sure.

It was, we began early last spring

in 2022.

Basically, my publisher called me up and said we want to do a book about Tucker Carlson.

We think he's the most important and influential voice in American politics today, and they wanted me to write it.

And very honored and flattered.

And I called up Tucker.

And,

you know, at first he sort of was like, oh, I don't, you know, I'm not very interesting.

And, you know, I don't think anyone wants to read this book.

And then, you know, I've been on his show for many, many years and we knew each other that way.

And, you know, he sort of said, you know, well, I read your columns all the time.

I love your writing.

And yeah, let's go for it.

Why not?

And from there,

we were off to the races.

Now, you spent about a hundred hours with him up at his home in Maine and in Florida.

What was the thing that maybe surprised you the most about

his life?

I think

the fact that he isn't someone who can just talk about politics all day long, you know, he's very, his interests are very wide-ranging and deep.

And his level of

the extent he goes to to humble himself and to remind himself that he is not God,

which is, you know, something that he sort of reminds himself all the time, was really impressive and kind of a wonderful thing to get to know about him.

He's someone who he's very spiritual without having overt

theocratic language and theology taught to him.

But he is very spiritual, and he does really see the current political paradigm as one versus as good versus evil, which I think sort of frightens a lot of people in mainstream conservatism.

So he is

going through a spiritual awakening that, unlike I've seen very often,

he's reading the Bible every day.

He is praying about it every day.

And like you said, there's no dogma behind it.

He is just going through an awakening.

Were you around

for that?

Because I think that's relatively new.

Yeah, it does seem relatively new.

He was raised Episcopalian, which he sort of says, you know, he's not even sure if that's a Christian religion anymore with the direction that the church is going.

But

I certainly saw that part of him for sure.

And he, you know, just the way he talks about the world, you know, and

something, you know,

something about, you know, climate change, for example, he's very passionate about the environment, the actual environment, not the green, whatever is going on.

But the way he would speak of the environment and basically man's feebleness when it comes to something like controlling the weather, which can extend into man's feebleness really and controlling many things in the world.

There was a very spiritual language and motivation behind that and the way that he is now seeing the world.

And I certainly got to see that and to write about it.

You were there when he left Fox,

and Tucker and I have talked about it.

That I think it's very interesting.

In the end,

with me, one of the things that Fox was very clear about was stop talking about God.

And at the end with Tucker,

he is talking more and more about what's happening in spiritual terms.

And I know that drives Murdoch crazy.

Do you think that played a role in

his exit?

So there was plenty of speculation about that.

It may have been one of the many reasons why they wanted to get rid of him.

Interestingly, back in February, this most past February, Tucker had had dinner with Rupert Murdoch and his then fiancé, and his fiancé had described Tucker as a messenger from God to Rupert.

People around Rupert had reported that that freaked him out.

He didn't like that.

That may have added to it.

And just the weekend before

his show was taken off the air, he gave a speech to the Heritage Foundation, and he was speaking in terms of religiosity.

And he used the words good and evil when describing what was happening in American politics.

And people have been saying for many years, and as you just said, that

talk of God and Christianity really freaks out the Murdochs.

So that certainly could have contributed to it.

So when you have

Tucker and he's, you know, you're with him at Fox,

I take it he was quite surprised when they called him in and said, you're leaving, correct?

Yes, he was, for sure.

The day it happened, April 23rd, happened to be the sixth-year anniversary of his show moving into the 8 p.m.

time slot.

And when Suzanne Scott, the president of Fox News, called him up that day, he thought that she was calling to congratulate him on the anniversary.

And instead, she simply said, we're taking your show off the air.

Goodbye.

They've still not given him an official explanation.

He's still an employee of Fox News as we're speaking.

And, you know, I got to interview him a couple times after that moment.

And he was certainly shocked,

and his entire team was.

But

he knows he hasn't done anything wrong.

He told me that if he had done something wrong, if he'd embarrassed himself or embarrassed his family, he'd feel badly, but he can't feel badly because

he didn't do anything wrong as far as he can see.

The day

the show was canceled, he was planning on talking about Ray Epps.

Is that a coincidence?

It's difficult to say.

I saw his monologue that he planned to read on air that day.

It was heavily about Ray Epps and about january sixth.

It was also

in a darkly ironic turn, it was about AOC and other members of government demanding that his show being taken off the air.

They'd gone AOC had gone on MSNBC that weekend to basically say that Tucker should be arrested for spreading misinformation or whatever words she's using.

And

he was the only person in mainstream media that was really digging into all of these strange activities that happened on January 6th and really trying to investigate if the federal government was playing a role in that.

And also

this strange character, Ray Epps, who has not been arrested, has been paraded around mainstream media as some kind of hero.

So that was one of many, a handful of issues that he was probably making a lot of enemies in very powerful places, and it certainly could have contributed to or been the reason why his show was taken off the air.

So

the Devin Archer interview that he did last night on Twitter or X or whatever you're supposed to say now.

Did you see that?

I did, yes.

Okay.

I think he played this expertly.

Most people don't know, and

I don't mean this in a bad way.

I don't mean this in the way I would normally mean this.

Tucker grew up as a Washington elite.

He knows that circle really, really well.

Yet he is, when you get to to know him, he is anything but the elite, I think, in many ways.

He is, he's just a normal guy.

But he used his

knowledge, I thought, unbelievably well.

And he was almost, he got Devin Archer to...

to almost laugh about like we both know what's going on.

And that led to some pretty shocking revelations last night.

Am I reading him right on that?

I think you really summed it up beautifully.

That's sort of exactly what we watched happen.

And it's interesting that the D.C.

media wouldn't really find that stuff newsworthy.

Either they want to protect people, they don't want to report on it, but they wouldn't find it newsworthy because they live in that world and it's so normal to them.

Tucker realizes that it is normal to those people.

It's not normal to 330 million Americans who live outside of DC, and this is actually interesting.

And he drugged that out of Devin Archer so masterfully and wonderfully.

It was really something spectacular to watch.

So the former head writer for Tucker just tweeted, Fox News' decision to ignore Tucker's interview with Devin Archer is infuriating employees who still believe in covering news.

Quote from one host, are you effing kidding me?

How do we not cover this?

He got Hunter Biden's business partner casually admit all on a Twitter video.

Another top Fox source says, the amount of agitation in this building over not being able to use any of Tucker and Devin Archer's sound, just tons of groaning and cursing from producers and a couple of anchors, that it's gold and we're not allowed to touch it, use it, or refer to it.

They also didn't cover

the interviews with all of the candidates, which I think was game-changing.

You know, I was sitting there at the anchor desk watching him on stage as we covered it at the Blaze, and universally it was, this is game-changing, totally game-changing.

And it was Tucker.

What is happening at Fox?

Is there more?

There's speculation that he did an interview with Trump that they never aired, that he had other things from January 6th that they never allowed aired.

Is any of that true?

That Blaze Media Summit from Iowa was such amazing television or broadcasting, whatever we're calling it on the internet.

And I was watching that, and I felt like even the quality of the commentary was so far beyond anything you would have ever seen on mainstream media.

All the commentators were so smart and funny.

I'm not just trying to, you know, butter you up.

I really mean this, and I have a point.

Thank you.

It was these commentators speaking on the level of Republican voters like they're having drinks with them at a bar.

And it made me realize that you would never see that level of connection with voters on Fox or mainstream media.

So that felt like a huge turn in independent media eclipsing mainstream media.

And then with Fox being, nobody on Fox is allowed to say the T-word, Tucker.

And I know that from, you know, I got kicked off Fox after I wrote this book.

And it was the fact that he's breaking news now and they can't talk about it.

It's so funny.

funny to watch.

It's amazing.

With the stuff that Tucker did, so there's a bunch of interviews people are talking about.

As far as I understand it, you know, Fox News owns that.

It's their property, so I don't think he can do much with it.

But, you know, there's certainly lots of more January 6th reporting that they had that they're not able to show.

Tucker's not able to show on Twitter because Fox owns it.

And several other interviews related to that.

It's amazing to watch how this is all unfolding and how Fox has really crippled themselves.

Yeah,

I think they're over.

I mean, I've never seen anything burn down so fast as this.

Well, other than the Biden presidency.

You talk about in the book that Tucker emphasizes, and I'm just going to quote you here, the importance of having people around who see him as a person rather than a television personality.

Who were those

people?

Well, you know, he's become such a caricature

on the left as a sort of demonic force of all evil.

And on the right, he's also, in the establishment right, sort of portrayed as reckless and dangerous.

But you get to know him in his personal life, and

his relationship with his wife, Susie, is really sort of a storybook,

as storybook as it could get.

They're so in love with each other.

It's so lovely to watch them interact with one another, as I got to many times.

And they met when they were in high school, and they were 15 years old, and they've been together ever since.

And Tucker surrounds himself with people he can trust.

His whole team at Fox, there was no backstabbing.

Everyone trusted one another.

They really loved one another.

Nobody was out to subvert anyone else, which is rare in media and especially in television.

And probably because he was such a good leader and they really believed in what he was doing.

Another reason why half the team voluntarily left Fox when his show was taken off the air.

The other half was

unceremoniously fired in one fell swoop last month.

But he

really makes it a lot of fun.

On the day of the Blaze Summit,

he was making all kinds of news, and that was the day they marched everybody out after the show.

I mean,

it was brutal.

It was brutal.

Hang on just a second, Chadwick.

I appreciate it.

We're talking to Chadwick Moore.

He is the author of the new book, Tucker,

which was done with Tucker's knowledge and a real great inside look, easy to read, really well written.

An inside look behind the scenes with Tucker Carlson.

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You write in the book about the death of his

mother.

Can you take us through that and how that affected him and the moment he opened up to you about it?

Sure.

So his mother, her name is Lisa Lombardi.

She abandoned her.

She was a San Francisco socialite,

and she abandoned her family when Tucker was six years old.

She decided that she wanted to be a sort of art world bohemian kind of grifter type.

She moved to Los Angeles.

I spoke to people who knew her, who were in that scene, and got their impressions of her.

But he never saw her again since then, since he was six years old.

She died in 2011.

They found out, in typical fashion of Tucker's father, Dick Carlson, they found out they were moving some boxes from a U-Haul, him and his brother and Dick, and Susie, his wife, was standing by, and Dick just said, Oh, yeah, Lisa died today.

And then picked up another box and walked away.

And they all sort of stopped and said, What?

But

he did speak to her twice in his life.

She called him, and she was drunk, and she had a problem with drugs and alcohol.

And he just simply had said to her,

you know, if you want to talk, call me when you're sober.

And then that never happened.

And, you know, he said to me that he was grateful, you know, he doesn't really see himself as a victim, obviously.

And, you know, he comes from a long lineage that I wrote about in the book of dysfunction and abandonment.

His father, Dick, was an orphan.

His biological grandfather, Dick's father, committed suicide.

Dick's adopted father died at a young age.

But Tucker said that he felt lucky that he didn't have to grow up in the same household as a crazy person, meaning his mother.

Some people, if he had stuck around,

it might have really affected him negatively had he had to go through that.

So he has a very positive take on it.

And I asked Susie, his wife,

how she thought it affected him.

And she sort of said, of course it has to, but he never says

he never complains

or

wishes he had a relationship with her.

So did that play a role in his,

I hate to use this word because he's not an alcoholic, but his sobriety.

He just gave up all alcohol.

And

he has a real respect for people and a different understanding of people who are in recovery and give up alcohol.

Yeah, you know, I suspect maybe he saw that gene in him because of Lisa's mother.

And he gave up alcohol over 30 years ago.

And

he wasn't like a mean drunk or a violent drunk,

but he had a problem.

He was drinking a lot.

He also, you know, he does have a sympathy for people who are in recovery or sober.

He hires a lot of people who are sober.

He also had a friendship with Hunter Biden that I write about in the book.

And most of that friendship was not only based on them being DC people, but on sobriety.

And he described to me that there are two types of sober people.

There are the types that are grateful every day to be sober, and Tucker is one of those.

And the type who's one cocktail away from the bender, and that's how he sort of characterized Hunter.

And

he

sort of spoke very with a lot of emotion about how awful it is, the things that Hunter has done to embarrass embarrass his family and his father, because he said to me that the love between Hunter and his dad, despite the alleged corruption and everything else going on, the love there is real.

And he truly believes that they do love each other very much, despite everything Hunter has done to embarrass his family and his father.

I find that weird and hard to believe, but I want to talk to you more about Hunter's family,

his upbringing, and I want to go back to what you just said about Hunter and

Joe.

We'll do that in just a second.

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Chadwick, what's the distinction?

What's the difference here?

And what role did Tucker play in the writing or editing of this book?

Sure.

Well, the term authorized biography

can mean one of two things.

It can mean that the subject simply gave you permission to write about them and gave you tons of access, which was the case here.

Or it can mean the subject wanted a book to be written about them.

They selected a writer.

They had editorial control.

That's not the case here.

So Tucker has gave us permission,

but he's not asked to read a word of the book.

He's totally trusted me and trusted my judgment and to put in whatever I wanted to while giving me access.

He had no editorial control at all.

It was totally independent.

As far as I know, I don't think he's read it yet, but his executive producer, Justin, and several members of his team have read it.

They've really enjoyed it.

But

again, he has a rule that he doesn't read anything about himself.

So I'm not sure if he'll stick to that rule this time or not, but it probably helps to keep him safe.

Yeah, no,

I have found that,

you know, I tell my kids all the time, the people who hate me, that's not who, they don't know who I am.

And the people who deeply, deeply love me and like, you are the greatest, they also don't know who I am.

The truth is, you know, somewhere, I guess, in between.

So it's just frustrating reading anything about yourself.

I

a few years ago, I don't think Tucker and I really liked or appreciated one another.

I thought he was a fraud.

I think he thinks that I,

I believe he thought at the time I was a fraud.

And we've both learned that, holy cow, no, there's something deep

behind each one of us.

And we become very good friends.

Is that just time catching up with us?

Has the game changed so much that

he has changed?

I know I have.

Has he changed over the years?

Or is it just, you know, Reagan said, you know, everybody has their window and just all of of a sudden you can say the same things and then, boom, you fall into the slot that is your time.

And then eventually,

you know, time passes you again.

What's happened with Tucker?

Is he the same or does he believe things now that he may not have believed, you know, five or ten years ago?

Well, he had an experience where he was in a plane crash in the Middle East that I write about in the book.

This was, you know, maybe 20 years ago,

maybe not quite that long ago.

And he sort of had this moment where he

asked himself,

I guess he thought he was going to die and is he happy with his life and has he lived his life the best way possible?

And the answer was no at that time.

I think since that moment, he maybe went on what we were talking about earlier, that more spiritual journey.

I think he's probably,

maybe it's to do with age, maybe it's to do with

any number of factors that you do maybe become softer as you get older.

You begin to appreciate people more around you and

not maybe so quick to judge.

I think that he expressed regret before about judging too quickly, other people, and maybe even other scenarios.

And he's apologized for that when he's mischaracterized or misjudged.

So it is interesting.

Let me go back to the family.

He's told me recently, and I think this is a great quality, he judges somebody

quickly when he has to make a snap on how they treat their family and the relationship that they have with one another.

And if the family isn't first, that says something about an individual.

You were just saying that he really thinks that Joe and Hunter really love each other.

I can't get past because I come from an alcoholic family.

I'm an alcoholic.

I cannot get past the fact that

this is an abusive relationship, I think, all the way around.

You know, you don't put Hunter into a position to where he's, you know, creating the illusion of selling access to you, put him in charge with all of that money, keep bailing him out over and over and over again.

That is destructive behavior all the way around.

And it just seems to me that...

you know

how how is that love with a family and and then on the reverse side, what family gives your grandfather the keys to the car when he shouldn't be driving?

What family puts their grandfather out in this humiliating fashion right now?

How is that love?

Yeah,

that's, I mean, that is a wonderful point.

And especially when your son is an alcoholic and drug addict and

is not a very stable person, ruining this kind of responsibility on him and maybe pimping him out in that way.

I'd have to agree with you.

The way that Tucker described it,

I don't know, maybe he was talking more on a more animalistic level, but

he described the Bidens as being very tribal,

which he said he appreciated.

And he also said that they were, when he knew them, they weren't liberals and trans activists.

They were Catholics.

They weren't pro-abortion.

They were pro-gun.

Now, of course, Biden's a trans activist and everything else.

And

he sort of said that

Hunter's ex-wife, Kathleen, had a lot of nice things to say about her, that she was very dutiful.

But sort of the culture you described, she would step up and attend and go on trips with Biden when Dr.

Jill didn't want to.

Tucker did not have nice things to say about Dr.

Jill.

But everything sort of evolved around Joe, and Joe was the family business, and the whole family needs to revolve around Joe and do anything he wants, is the way he described the family.

And then, I guess, you know, Hunter is obviously the chief

lemming in that.

The non-compete,

how is he getting away with, I mean, is it just because this is different and they didn't include, you know, Twitter and the internet?

And I find that hard to believe.

How is he, how did he find his way?

Or...

Or is he afraid that Fox News might come after him for the non-compete?

So he,

I haven't seen his contract, but from what I understand is that Fox did not include Twitter in the non-compete.

He is not being paid by Elon Musk, and he's not being paid by Twitter.

So when Fox sent him a cease and assist letter about his Twitter videos, they said that he was rendering services.

Well, if he's not being paid legally, I do not think that constitutes rendering services.

He seems to be really pushing the envelope, especially with these longer interviews.

I think he's kind of poking the bear because he knows that the more Fox tries to silence him, the absolute worse situation is for them.

They look terrible trying to do it.

So it seems like he's kind of pushing the limits and it's kind of entertaining to watch.

Let me ask you just a couple of questions about you here for a sec before we end this.

You were canceled in 2017.

Can you tell me about that?

Sure.

Uh it was um right after the uh inauguration of President Trump.

I I was uh I worked in liberal media.

I wrote the New York Times and I was editor-at-large for Out magazine, the Advocates, and wrote for a bunch of places.

And uh I penned a piece in the New York Post coming out as conservative.

Uh and I just basically said, you know, I didn't want uh didn't want anyone to think that I was associated with these these people on the left and I believe in free speech and I don't think Trump is evil and I'm interested to see what he does.

I don't think his supporters are bigots.

And that was enough that I was fired from all my jobs, and I lost all my friends.

Amazing.

And that was the first time I met Tucker.

He had me on his show that following week to discuss the article.

And that was how I got to know him.

And since then, I was a regular on the show until the last episode.

So

let me

take you into

this a bit.

I am shocked because

all my gay friends, they are all looking at what's happening and

in the LGBTQ world and saying, this is out of hand.

This is crazy.

This is crazy.

And

they're not down with all of this.

And I can't imagine that there isn't a big surge of LGBs, I guess, LG, yeah, LGBs, that aren't now finding themselves maybe not conservative, but

more in line with what the conservatives are saying.

And that is, at least I am and the conservatives that I know.

Oh, do whatever you want.

I'm not here to regulate your marriage or anything else.

That's for you to decide.

Don't tell me what to regulate.

But this, there is no difference between a man and a woman, and all of that crap, that's insanity.

Oh, yeah.

Tell me what's happening in the LGBT community.

Sure.

I mean, you know, back when I, in 2017, when I wrote that article, and I'm a gay guy, the headline was, I'm a gay New Yorker and I'm coming out conservative.

You know, it was, there were a couple other prominent people, but not many.

But since then, you know, there's thousands of these influencers on social media who are LGBT and even some T's who are pro-Republican Party, who are anti-what the left is doing.

The LGBT vote for Donald Trump, according to the New York Times, doubled in 2020 compared to 2016.

It was from 16% to, or 14% to 28%,

which is almost a third, which is kind of amazing.

And I think you're right that they've learned that all the insane stuff being done in their name is unacceptable and borderlines on evil.

It's destructive.

It makes no sense.

It's illogical.

And if there's no such thing as gender, then there's obviously no such thing as homosexuality, et cetera, et cetera.

We could go on forever.

But

so many of them privately would admit to this, probably the majority, but publicly, it's like any of these kind of victim groups.

They're too frightened to publicly speak out.

They're too frightened of losing their friends, not getting a date,

being socially outcast, even though silently most people, I would think, agree with these things, even if they can't quite yet bring themselves to not vote for the Democrat Party.

Chadwick, do you find this changing?

Do you find this

people are waking up and becoming more strong, or

it's status quo?

I do find that it is that way.

And I think it's just winning over hearts and minds and education.

You know,

the left is so hell-bent on framing the Republican Party the way that they do.

It's a lot of

it is happening.

And there's no reason why gay people should vote exclusively Democrat, as with any other minority group.

And people are catching on to it, but it doesn't happen overnight.

Thank you so much for your hard work and your willingness to come out and

really blow up your life as you knew it at the time.

And thanks for the great book and the great read.

Tucker, thank you.

Thank you so much.

You bet.

Chadwick Moore, he is the author of Tucker, the

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there's a lot of books out about you and biographies and stuff.

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yep.

And

all eyes.

I remember one of them, I can't remember which one it was, but Jeffy.

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Hello, Jonathan.

How are you?

Hey, Juan, I'm doing great.

Thank you so much for having me.

You bet.

It is great to have you back.

I wish we were speaking in person just so I could tower over you and make you feel small, but

maybe that's just me.

So, Jonathan, tell me about Unitis and what you've done.

Yes, Unitis is a values-based alternative to sports and lifestyle leisure wear apparel.

And very simply for me, values matter.

I've been saying it for a long time.

And as companies and corporations, especially in the sportswear field, continue to move farther away from godly principles and values and constitutional principles and values, I thought it was time to create an alternative and give freedom-loving Americans, faith-loving Americans, the option to buy with their values.

So you're making leisure wear, sportswear, your shoes.

What is that?

What's out right now?

And where do I get it?

Appreciate you.

Right now, we did our first kind of leisure wear drop, which is like hoodies, sweatpants, sweatshirt, t-shirts.

And that's just what it's going to be for right now.

And you can head to weareUnitis, U-N-I-T-U-S, weareunitis.com.

But we have big dreams about where we're going to go.

I want to be in every single field, every sport.

I want you to be able to go from some of these other companies and get everything full in-house from Unitas.

I'm going to be dropping a sneaker, a basketball sneaker that I'll be wearing this upcoming season, a bit closer to the season, Tom, so September, October, and also our first line of sportswear.

Sports bras, leggings, tank tops, shorts, things like that.

So we got a lot of things on the cusp, but I'm excited about the launch and how we're doing so far.

I have to ask you, Jonathan, just because I've learned a lot from the Smithsonian, and the time to ask is when it's happening and not years after.

That was what the American,

the guy who heads the American History Museum said to me.

I would love for my history museum.

I don't know if you know this or if you came through our history museum, but we have,

we're only surpassed by the National Archives and the Library of Congress when it comes to founding documents, and we have expanded so much.

into all kinds of things that are game-changing in the United States.

And I think what you're doing is truly game-changing.

You are taking on the biggest industry.

I mean, you're going, you know, head-to-head with Nike and Adidas and everybody else.

I think what you're doing is game-changing.

May I get for the museum a prototype or a first, you know, edition of your shoes to be able to put into the museum right next to the Nike

Betsy Ross flag

shoes that they pulled off the market.

1,000%.

I definitely got you with that without a question.

That's great.

That's great.

So tell me, I mean, I love the fact that you say Unitas, it starts with you, ends with us, but it does have knit right in the middle, which I don't know what means, but

I love your slogan.

Begins with you and ends with us.

What does that mean to you?

What it means to me is community.

I've been through a few things when it came to standing in the bubble and being the only one on my team to not get vaccinated.

I know what it's like to stand alone or feel like you're standing alone.

And I know that in today's day, there are so many Americans that feel the same way, but don't have the platform that I have or don't have the people around them

that are encouraging them to stand up for what they believe in.

So Unitis for me is uniting all of these people.

No matter what color you are, no matter what you do, if you understand the value and necessity of these values and you want to see them represented in the marketplace and the culture, then Unitis is for you.

And I want you to become a part of this community.

So when you're out and about and you see somebody wearing Unitis, you know that that person gets it.

You know that they stand for the same values that they stand for.

You may disagree on other things or maybe not, but you know that they have a foundation in faith, family, and freedom.

And that's the community that I'm trying to build.

So it starts with you.

And I'm hoping that as time goes on, we're able to build this infrastructure of people ending with us.

So in 2020, you were the lone NBA player not to kneel for the national anthem.

And then we have COVID and you wouldn't take the vaccine.

How scary of a time was that for you?

It was terribly scary.

You know, it's died down a bunch now, but every time I think back about those time periods, it really was crazy.

There was so much going on.

There was so much hysteria.

It was so polarizing.

And I'm just glad that I had the people around me to give me the confidence and trust that I was doing the right thing.

I knew that true change wasn't going to come through an organization.

It wasn't going to come through a party.

I felt that it was truly going to come through the gospel of Jesus Christ, that we could have real change if we all could see, look, we all fall short of God's glory, and the answer is to love.

And so, I decided to stand up and say that.

And

I got tons of negativity for it, but the positivity that showered from it was amazing.

And people understood where I was coming from.

And so I was excited about that.

And the same thing with the vaccine.

I tried my best to be thoughtful and clear about my position and how I felt that everyone should have the free choice to decide what they want to do with their bodies when it comes to the vaccine.

So,

you know, you look now at what's happening with the vaccine.

The Pentagon just did a study, and they show that,

what is it, carditis.

Stu, what is that?

Heart condition.

Myocarditis.

Myocarditis, yeah.

And they said that in the, with the military, they found an extraordinary

out-of-whack number with young people who have myocarditis, not after the first vax, but after the second vax, it went through the roof.

And you're seeing young athletes now, people who are really healthy.

And I know this has happened in the past.

I mean, it is, it's not common, but it does happen.

But now you're seeing all of these sports figures and all of these young athletes.

Is this out of whack, or is it just that we're noticing it?

No, I would say it's out of whack.

I would say

it's extremely unfortunate given the way that COVID and everything was handled.

I know that there are plenty of people that feel,

I guess, robbed in a sense and let down because of things that are happening.

And who knows, you know, people are talking about it,

could it have been COVID?

Could it have been the vaccines?

I know you just talked about it being a spike after the second shot.

You know, I'm not one to just lay blame and say it is what it is, but I do think that as time goes on, there is going to be a mass,

I would say, just reckoning for what happened and the way that things were handled, the pressure that people were under to get vaccinated.

And I think it is a disservice to the American people for what happened.

So back to your product, Unitas.

You are making shoes or soon-to-be shoes, but sports clothing, sweats, t-shirts, polos, et cetera, et cetera.

And you're doing it on your own.

You, I assume, you don't have any big,

or do you, have any big outlets that are coming to you and saying, hey,

we want to be a pariah and stand with you.

Do you have any big outlets or is it all online?

Not yet.

It's definitely something that I'd be open to, but right now we are just direct to consumer at weareunitis.com.

And I have, again, big dreams about where we could go.

I definitely want to have the opportunity to sponsor for colleges and high schools and things like that as we move forward.

Who knows?

But I'm just kind of taking it one step at a time.

There are plenty of Christian, Catholic

universities, and high schools and stuff.

So we're working on it.

But right now, it is just me.

And we're looking for people to come on board and help support.

And if a big outlet wants to take us to have them in their stores, we'd be open to it.

My son has just become a college football coach,

which is shocking because I barely even know what football is.

But

I would love to, and I'll foot the bill, I would love to outfit his team and the coaches with your product.

If they would do it, I don't know if they would do it, but I would love to outfit his team on that.

You are taking on, you're taking on

everybody, and then you're also not making anything in China.

Everything has to be ethically made.

I know because I started a clothing company years ago.

That's really almost suicidal to do that.

It is so hard to get things of quality made at a reasonably price,

at a reasonable price.

How are you doing that?

It is very why are you doing it?

Yeah, so for me, I'm not necessarily,

in a sense, I say like an absolutist in terms of like, because at the end of the day, all of us in some way, shape, or form use things that are produced in China.

And so I'm not necessarily from the standpoint of, okay, we can never use anything in China.

It's just, it's very hard to do.

For me personally, when it came to Unitas, I had my own conviction that I did not want to manufacture anything in China.

That was my choice, and I decided to go that route.

Does it make everything exponentially harder?

Yes.

Does it make producing the clothes harder?

Absolutely.

But it was something that I wanted to do.

And so when it comes to the sneakers, I got hooked up with a company called SoulWorks, and they were able to find an ethically

operating factory in Vietnam when it came to sneakers.

And so that's where we're at right now when it comes to sneakers.

We are sourcing clothing material out of Peru

and

and Turkey, and everything is being embroidered and stitched in the United States and Chicago.

And so

it does make everything much harder to produce.

And we're working on finding ways to mitigate some of those costs and things like that.

And it's going to take some time.

But I think we made the right decision by just saying, you know what, for this especially, I know we use things produced in China all the time, but for me,

I wanted to not create that affiliation.

Jonathan, I have profound respect for you.

I have no idea what you do, really.

I've I've never seen you play a game,

but I have tremendous respect for what you stand for and the fight that you fight every day and the stand that you take.

So, congratulations on this.

And it has started with you and it will end with us.

Unitis is the name of the product.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate you, Glenn.

Thank you so much for having me on.

Thank you.

Jonathan Isaac, and again, weareunitis.com.

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That's another way to show Nike and everybody else.

Yeah.

I mean, now there's a good product out there that you can get.

It speaks to your values.

And, you know, hopefully Nike will see

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So, Stu, tell me, honestly, how big of a deal is this guy?

Jonathan Ice.

I mean, he's a good player with tons of potential, signed a huge deal in 2020,

which I believe he's going into year, I think, I think it's year three or four now.

I think it was 2020 he signed it.

But yeah, I mean, he's a big deal and also a guy who,

I mean, it took an incredible stance.

I mean, he, you know, he sort of undersells what a big deal that was when he was not taking a knee.

I mean, the COVID vaccine stance was...

very difficult as well, but you did see other athletes do that type of thing.

There was almost, especially especially him, not only him doing it, but also him being an African-American doing it, was incredibly important and powerful in that moment.

I think when he did it, at least, he was the only NBA player.

I think you're right.

I think he was the only one.

And it's interesting, too.

This is before I even knew we had him on the air.

I got a text from my wife the other day that she had already purchased several items for me and my son and her from

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you look at this and there are really no competitors

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Correct.

How dare you say that?

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Oh my gosh, you are horrible.

Anyway,

here's what I would really like to recommend is that if you have a little league team or

a soccer team or anything else your kids are participating in, get the parents together and see if you can outlaw outlaw out outfit the entire team in as much of his garb as possible we we can make this into a really cool product because it is a cool product

and we can help him spread the word just by buying his products right now i think this is such an important thing he's taking a gigantic risk i've talked to him about this for gosh almost two years now um and uh he invited me to the launch party i think it was Saturday, and I just couldn't make it.

But I would have loved to be there.

I think this is a historic moment.

I think this is another one of those things that can truly change the course

because you start biting into Adidas or Nike.

That's a really big deal.

I mean,

you really make an impact.

And this is something unlike Target that is not going to be a hassle for you.

This is much more like,

you know, Bud Light.

You just, no, I don't want that.

I want that.

And his values are rock solid.

And if you can order anything from him, I would love to see a big spike for him today, just to say thank you.

But I'm serious.

If my son's team will do it, I'll outfit the whole team in Unitas product.

I think it would be great to have that scene, you know, on the national scale and start to make an impact.

His shoes come out in September, he said.

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WeareUnitus.com.

Unitus, by the way, starts with a U, ends with an us,

and has knit in the middle of it.

They left that part out of the slogan for some reason.

I don't know why the...

Yeah, the knit part is really important.

Not with a K, just like knit as a knit wit, I think.

So,

Unitis.

WeareUnitis.com.

Back with more in a minute.

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Oh, yeah.

So you want to know the main reason why I feel it's necessary to prepare for disaster and why I come on this program and encourage you to look into things like putting some money, you know, that you have in gold or silver?

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Hello, you sick Twisted Freak.

There's a couple things that I want to share with you.

First of all, there is a new poll out

from

the Glenbeck program and the Glenn Beck

Glennbeck.com.

We did a poll.

Now, this isn't very scientific because it is a poll that we asked you online to do.

So it wasn't random.

But can we pull the poll up here, the results of the poll?

We did a show on the deep state and what is happening.

Wow.

Can't read that, Stu.

Sorry.

Can you read those?

This is something we did with a deep state.

Still not big enough.

We did on the deep state.

I did a show on Wednesday that is so important, and I'll probably get into it here in just a little bit,

and probably tomorrow.

The facts of what is going on with this election on the left is truly terrifying.

And if you don't wake up and don't go to your local and your state GOP and demand answers and action,

we will lose the next election based on nothing other than what I show you

in

the Wednesday night special this week.

If you haven't seen it yet, get it while you can on my YouTube channel, YouTubeGlenbeck,

also on Blaze TV.

And you can watch it from the Wednesday night special.

Can you go through this real quickly?

Yeah, sure.

Do you think the deep state is real?

98% say yes.

Do you believe the deep state is biased against conservatives?

99% say yes.

Do you believe the deep state interferes with our election system?

99% say yes.

Do you think our election system is overall reliable and elects the people's preferred candidate?

97% said no.

That's,

I know this is obviously not a scientific poll by any means, but it is a, it's a bit concerning that any group of people would come out at this 97% no on a question like that.

That says we've got work to do

to increase people's confidence in the election system.

Do you think the deep state effectively interferes with our election system to get their preferred candidate in power?

99% say yes.

And really the only one with any split was this one.

Do you believe the deep state can be stopped and dismantled?

72% say yes.

28% say no.

I was much more pessimistic on that one.

I was like, I know, I know.

I love

those people.

All right.

Just to show you that we believe that too entirely, my new book, Dark Future, is out.

If you haven't read it yet, or if you like to listen to books, books, you know, from Audible, just grab it on Audible.

It is the best, I think it's the best audiobook that I've ever done.

You know, if it wasn't me, if I were Hillary Clinton, I'd get a Grammy for this.

But that's not going to happen.

But anyway, this is a great, funny look at Dark Future.

There's lots of ad-libs.

I tried to make it a little more palatable, but grab it online now and you can get it, you know, wherever you buy your books or go to Audible or

Amazon and grab the audio version of the book.

Okay.

I want to talk to you about something that I heard from Russell Brand on his podcast, Stay Free.

He had Vendana Shiva on, and I want you to hear what she said.

Listen.

There are three things that you cannot give up if you want to stay free.

Yeah, we do want to stay free.

First, your ability to know and distinguish between truth and untruth.

Right.

And not allow post-truth to be projected as truth and the truth speakers to be projected as conspirators.

The second is our ability to relate to each other without the intervention of a surveillance state and surveillance corporation.

And third, because food is what makes us.

It becomes our blood, our cells, our brain,

to not allow the totalitarian takeover of food, to make it fake food and push it as the next liberation.

So the contest today is around these issues.

Speak freely, tell us

this is this is Vandana Shiva again with Russell Bran.

And she said something incredibly important in that clip, and we talk about it in Dark Future.

It is so important.

She said, we cannot allow the totalitarian takeover of food.

It seems almost unbelievable, food fascism.

But let's unravel this together here for a second.

Most of us go to the grocery store, buy our food, and never think about where it came from.

There are kids that honestly do not know that apples come from a tree.

They have no idea how the meat is

grown or ends up in the supermarket.

They have no idea what it is.

Meanwhile, Bill Gates has become the largest private owner of farmland in the country.

He, along with corporations like Monsanto and Cargill, who maybe you've never heard of before, probably the most powerful agricultural company on the planet, represent a growing movement to exchange local, smaller-scale farmers for corporations and an elite wealthy class.

The food is not their priority.

Money is their priority.

Saving the planet is not their priority.

Being more natural, more healthy, they are starting to grow lab food.

They're starting to grow meat, which is not meat, in the laboratory in bags.

That doesn't, that sounds like you're trying to be God.

When you take seeds and you genetically change them so they are patented and they do not,

it forces you to buy seeds year after year after year that's not about being more natural more healthy more planet friendly uh at all it's about money when bill gates was asked why he's barring up so buying up so much farmland he said quote my investment group chose to do this

This is while he's promoting his book, How to Avoid a Climate Disaster.

He explicitly said, buying farmland is not connected to the climate.

Now, wait a minute, hold it, what?

This is not about altruism.

It's about selling potatoes to McDonald's.

And yes, he does that.

In the 1970, President Nixon's Secretary of Agriculture famously said that farmers have to, quote, get big or get out.

This is unfortunately become more like a fact now than a suggestion.

And the local farmer is going extinct.

In its place are the Bill Gates, the major corporations, and the new technology.

We are moving into an era of farms without farmers.

One day, we may not have farms, but rather laboratories.

You know, so we can heal the earth.

Bill Gates has investigated invested in companies creating synthetic meat in laboratories.

He said in an interview, quote,

I do think all rich countries should move to 100% synthetic beef.

You can get used to the taste difference, and the claim is they're going to make it taste even better over time.

Eventually, that green premium is modest enough that you can sort of change the behavior of people or use regulations to totally shift the demand.

Notice he doesn't say it's healthier.

I mean, as we are worried, as the left has,

rightly so, been worried about GMOs they've been worried about

you know eating more and more synthetic products now they're seemingly on board with growing everything in a bag why

would we want to eat synthetic meat for the environment right

no

a study out of UC Davis found that lab-grown meat's environmental impact may be orders of magnitude higher than regular meat.

Let me say that again.

UC Davis, lab-grown meat's environmental impact may be orders of magnitude higher than regular meat.

So why is Bill Gates, oh, and Cargill, investing in it?

Bill Gates is also investing in AI, even through, even though MIT found that training one AI model can emit 626,000 pounds of carbon dioxide, which is the lifetime emissions of five cars.

Hmm, so it's not about the environment.

But let's give Bill Gates and Cargill and Monsanto the benefit of the doubt here.

Let's say they really are pursuing a monopoly on our food on our behalf.

Uh-huh.

The pandemic woke us up to the fact that we are all very reliant on a series of complex systems that could fail at any time.

The grocery stores stop getting groceries.

When that happens, most of us die.

Say that happens again.

Say you're hungry.

Who do you want to go to?

The local farmer or Bill Gates?

Who do you trust with your food?

You know, Maslow had the hierarchy of needs.

It's physiological needs like food.

That's the baseline.

If you don't have food and water, nothing else matters.

Henry Cabot Lodge, American diplomat, once said, a hungry man is interested more in four sandwiches than he is in the four freedoms.

But people who are healthy and have enough to eat will be strong enough to fight against aggression from without or from within.

Soviet Union, they tried collectivized farming.

That ended in a man-made famine that killed millions of Ukrainians.

Stalin traded out local farms for collective government farms, and the farmers who resisted were labeled enemies of the state.

He controlled their food, which meant he controlled their lives.

So food is a freedom issue, but it's also a faith issue.

We have been totally disconnected from creation.

These people think that they are gods.

If you read the Bible, it is full of agricultural references.

I am the vine, you are the branches.

You'll know them by their fruit.

There are holidays in the Bible that center on planting and harvesting.

Paul wrote in Romans that God's invisible qualities can be understood by looking at what God has made.

God made creation to teach us about Him.

If we forget how to interact with His creation,

Won't we fall victim to forgetting about Him even more than we already have?

it is God who feeds us not Bill Gates not Cargill

we're relying on those corporations and people who like to play God

this is extraordinarily dangerous you can find out much more about it in the new book dark future but the answer like in many other issues is localization It's each of us in some way getting closer to our food source, whether that's buying it from someplace local or just starting a garden.

And you don't have to be worried about the intentions of these billionaires and corporations controlling our food supply to see the benefit in decentralizing food.

Better for our health, better for the land, better for our communities.

But it will take all of us doing something, even something small, to take back control of what we eat.

Do not rely on these corporations or these bureaucrats or these billionaires.

We must rely on ourselves, on each other, our community, and most of all, rely on our God.

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Well, I notice it.

Stu Bregier, who is, he claims to be the executive producer on this program.

He claims to not be a Canadian spy.

He claims that he is on our side, but he has hid the news from you about what is going on in the Hangzhou Zoo.

I hid the news on the Glenn Beck program.

The Glenn Beck program.

It was my fault.

Yes, it was.

Because, Your Honor, I have been controlled by him forever.

I don't believe any of that stuff.

But

pictures have been taken of a sun bear in China's Hangzhou zoo.

And it looks like, have you seen these pictures, Stu?

Of course you have.

You've been hiding them.

That's right.

I've been hiding them so I had to have seen them.

Yes.

Right.

It's out in our Today's Show Prep.

If you don't get Today's Show Prep,

you know, you're going to miss all of this.

Or you can just go to the New York Post.

But there's pictures of

the bear standing up in the bear cave.

And this picture is taken from

his back.

Do we have that?

Yeah.

Okay.

So there he is.

He's standing and he's waving.

And notice he's.

Come on, there's no way that's real.

Okay, they're saying it is.

They're saying it is.

Then there's another picture of him from behind.

I mean, look at that.

Another picture from him behind.

And right where his,

you know, right where his neck starts, there's a big bump on his neck, which appears to be the head of somebody in a bear suit.

okay?

And look at the fur down by his belly.

He strangely has a, like a beer belly from a, you know, from some guy.

And then his legs are completely straight.

And he's got this extra skin there that looks like fabric.

Now, the Edinburgh Zoo,

all these English zoos, which I bet you get money from China,

are

claiming that's not a man in a bear suit.

See, this is the kind of hard-hitting stuff you're not going to get from other shows.

You're just not going to get it.

Or from this show, because I hide it from everyone.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly right.

That is a Chinese man in a bear suit.