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Holy cow, what a full show we have today.

We are going to be talking about Devin Archer and going over the interview that he just did with Tucker Carlson.

Then we follow it with Jim Jordan.

He is looking into

some new things and

also seems to have

an inquiry into the sweetheart Hunter deal, the plea deal.

He's looking into that and wants some additional additional information.

There's more shoes to drop in the Hunter Biden investigation.

Then we talk to Chadwick Moore.

He is the author of Tucker, a new biography on Tucker Carlson that you don't want to miss a second.

Also, Jonathan Isaac, the NBA basketball player for the Orlando Magic.

He's the author of Why I Stand, and he is launching a new clothing line, shoe line called Unitas.

We talk to him about investing in products that celebrate our values.

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Let's go to Jim Jordan.

Hello, Jim.

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

Very good.

You know, I was having dinner with a couple of friends last night, and your name came up, and we are so grateful that you got the job that you did,

and you're doing just an amazing, amazing work.

You really are.

So thank you for that.

Well, you're doing great work.

We appreciate that.

So

keep it up to you.

Okay, so let's talk a little bit about what's going on.

Let's start with the inquiry into the sweetheart deal.

Tell me about that.

Well, the judge smelled a rat and, you know, the key part of that transcript, I would encourage all your listeners to read that transcript because you can like, you know, how you read this, you get inside the mind and see what the back and forth is like.

And it was

and it was particularly when

she asked, has there ever been a deal like this before?

Is there any precedent for this?

And the government lawyer, the DOJ lawyer says, no, Your Honor, never been a deal like this.

Because what they try to do was put the, I think, this sort of immunity agreement they had with the handshake and a wink between the defense attorneys and the DOJ attorneys.

They put it in the diversion part of the agreement, not in the plea deal itself, which the judge has to sign off in the plea deal.

And she asked the right question.

She stopped it.

And I think that sort of says it all.

And then you couple that with what we learned.

with David Weiss and the fact that he has said three different things in a five-week timeframe, three different letters about what he can and can't do.

His story keeps changing.

The IRS whistleblower story that came forth, their testimony was consistent and, frankly, validated by an FBI witness we also deposed.

So that, to me, I think

just shows

how wrong this agreement was and why the judge says, time out.

Time out.

We're taking 30 days.

We're going to get this right if we're going to do it at all.

Jim, be more generous than Mother Teresa would be on the answer to this question.

I mean, try to really give the benefit of the doubt here.

The press keeps saying, you know, all these accusations, but so far there's been no evidence of any wrongdoing.

Boy, I'm having a hard time with that.

I mean, it seems to be mountains of evidence.

How would you describe the evidence?

Well, I would say this.

Think about what witnesses have said.

So, first, you have Tony Bobolinski two and a half years ago, business partner of Hunter Biden, saying that that email that says that the big guy, 10% for the big guy, that in fact is Joe Biden.

We know that email came from the laptop that the FBI has now admitted is real.

They knew it was real at the time and didn't tell us, but they've now admitted that the laptop is real.

We know it is real.

So, you have that.

Then, you have the WhatsApp message where from that, which says, Hunter Biden says, I'm sitting by my dad, send the money or else, basically.

Then you have the 1023 form, which you have the folks from Burisma saying, Confidential Human Source, saying he's talked to foreign nationals who talk about this payment for policy decision.

And then, of course, you have the testimony we got Monday from Devin Archer, where he talks about the meeting in Dubai, December 4th, 2015, the meeting in Dubai between Archer, Hunter Biden, Zelachevsky, and Pazarski.

Zolachewski and Pazarski are the guys who run Burisma.

They say in that meeting with the two guys, Archer and Hunter Biden, they say we need the U.S.

government to get involved.

We're under all kinds of pressure, pressure from the Ukrainian prosecutor, pressure in Great Britain, where they've seized 23 million of our assets.

We've got all kinds of pressure.

Five days later, literally five days later, Joe Biden is in Ukraine.

He gives a speech criticizing the prosecutor in Ukraine, which begins to lay the foundation for what happens a few months later, which is where the prosecutor is fired in order for Ukraine to get the $1 billion.

So those are the things that keep kind of piling up, not to mention the suspicious activity reports, the number of different companies moving money in and out of and paying all kinds of Biden

with that money.

They keep saying that Joe Biden.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

No, no,

the Democrats say this illusion of access.

That sure doesn't look like an illusion.

It looks like some pretty compelling facts to me.

They keep saying that Joe Biden hasn't gotten any money which i haven't seen any proof that he has gotten any money however we do know that hunter was paying dad's bills we know that hunter said in uh text on the laptop to his the rest of his family dad takes 50 percent of what we earn we know that the shell corporations that have no they have no experience in any of the stuff that they were doing as a family and we know the money was going in suspiciously earmarked by the banks as looks like money laundering.

We know all of this.

How difficult is it to tie it together legally?

Yeah, it, you know, the

one of the things that came out after the Devin Archer interview on Monday was the Democrats said, well, you know, there was these multiple times where Hunter Biden puts his dad on the phone and it's with business partners and clients and people they're doing business with, but they never really talked about any.

They never talked about business.

Well, I didn't expect them to, for goodness sake.

I think the key was what Devin Archer testified to.

He said the value Hunter Biden brought to the business arrangement was the Biden brand.

And the Biden brand, he was clear about this, the Biden brand is Joe Biden.

And so, of course, he's not going to talk about business.

He's going to put, hey, guys, say hello to the vice president.

Hey, guys, my dad wants to say hello to you.

That was the value in and of itself right there.

And, of course, the White House's story has changed, just like David Weiss's story has changed.

The White House said, no, the president had no involvement, never talked to, never was involved, didn't know anything about it.

And of course, that story has changed now over time as well.

Now, is there any chance, again, be Mother Teresa, is there any chance that the sitting vice president calls in and is introduced to a meeting of the leaders of Burisma?

And he's in charge of trying to get corruption ended, and he doesn't know that one of the guys that leads Burisma is one of the most violent oligarchs in Ukraine.

Any chance that he didn't know that?

I don't think so because our State Department knew that.

Our State Department initially had concerns about Burisma and Hunter Biden's involvement.

That came out in the impeachment, the crazy impeachment they tried on President Trump four years ago

back in 2019.

And oh, by the way, that meeting in Dubai on December 4th, 2015, there was also a phone call.

Now, this is interesting how Devin Archer explained this.

He said there was a phone call, but he wasn't a part of that phone call.

He was on a different part of the hotel, a different part of the deck, he said.

And they were on another part of the deck there at the four seasons, and there was a phone call to D.C.

We don't know who it was to.

Devin Archer said, I don't know who it was to, but it was to D.C.

So, was it to Joe Biden?

We don't know.

Mr.

Archer wouldn't testify to that.

He said he didn't know.

But it was to D.C.

And, of course, we'll have to try to figure that one out.

So, dad just calls in once in a while, or he or

the son calls dad during dinner meetings over in Ukraine or in Europe.

If he's having dinner over in Europe, dinner meetings, it's probably eight, nine o'clock over in Europe.

Is dad just

awake calling his son at three o'clock in the morning?

I mean, the time difference is never talked about here.

Yeah.

No, that's an interesting take.

And yeah, I would say like what's Dubai would probably be like a nine-hour difference, I'm guessing.

And

called D.C.

So late at night, I guess it could, yeah, it's probably early, certainly early in the morning.

I don't know.

That's something that probably in the course of our investigation, we'll have to dig into a little bit more as well.

But yeah,

you're exactly right.

It makes this.

Now, but there was also, understand, there was also meetings in D.C.

with

dinner meetings with

Hunter Biden and his business partners, the Cafe Milano in Georgetown, because Mr.

Archer testified to this as well.

There are meetings in D.C.,

I think, 2014, 2015.

And one of those dinners, and Joe Biden was there for the whole dinner.

It wasn't just a drop-by.

You know, it wasn't just like the phone call, hey, say hello, where he drops by, shakes some hands, and leaves.

Mr.

Archer said he stayed for the entire dinner.

And in one of those dinners, of course, you have Elena Batarina, who is the wealthiest woman in Russia,

wife of the former mayor of Moscow, who had paid Hunter Biden significant several million dollars, and she's there for the entire dinner as well.

So that I think is

interesting, interesting fact.

And that's something that they said he didn't do, but of course, Mr.

Archer said, yes, in fact, he was there for the entire dinner.

One more thing.

There was an interesting article written by Joel Pollack that I saw this morning.

That they are talking

that

we should be pushing to have Congress

nullify the first impeachment of Donald Trump because the whole thing was he was trying to you know get the president of Ukraine to look into what the dirty dealings were and they said that was dirty dealing and it looks now like no there was a really good reason to ask for that it sure does and we suspected that at the time it sure does and i'm i'm all for the the expungement uh i think it's uh Congresswoman Stefanik, and I forget who else is sponsoring that.

But yeah, we should,

I'm totally for that.

But yeah, it's always amazing.

And remember, that was an impeachment based on an anonymous whistleblower with no first-hand knowledge

who had a bias, we seen bias against the president, and who had previously worked for Joe Biden.

That was the source that we couldn't know this whistleblower.

No, he couldn't testify.

Compare that to Gary Shapley and Mr.

Ziegler and how they stood up under pressure in a hearing, how their story has not wavered.

Their testimony has been consistent.

Their testimony has been backed up by an FBI agent.

Compare the two.

And they tried to impeach a president.

So, of course, we should do that.

So

the last question, compare this to Nixon.

Better or worse for Joe Biden than the trouble Nixon was in?

Well, I think the key is we just got to keep doing our job.

And our job, our constitutional duty, frankly, is to provide oversight, do oversight, do the investigation, to get the facts, because the facts influence what kind of legislation you propose and pass and implement, what you do with the appropriations process and how these agencies are funded.

Just continue to do our job.

Bring the facts forward.

Let me point out one thing that has happened because of oversight we've done.

It's a different area, but I think it's important, Glenn.

Remember when we found out Matt Taibbi was testifying in front of our committee, Democrats were trying to divulge sources.

He gives them a lecture in the First Amendment, for goodness sake.

At the very moment he's testifying, and he's being attacked.

Democrats, by the way, by the way, a Democrat member of the press being attacked.

The IRS is knocking on his door.

Did you see what the IRS announced two weeks ago?

And we made a big deal of this.

We dug into it.

We found out there was a dossier on Taibbi.

They were looking, before they went to his door, they were looking, did he have a feel carry permit?

What was his voting work?

We find out the IRS makes a change.

The IRS says we will no longer be sending agents unannounced visits to Americans' homes.

That doesn't happen, but for us doing our duty, doing the oversight work we're supposed to do.

Now, of course, the IRS says, oh,

we did this for agent safety.

Bullroar.

They did it because they're bottom playing this kind of game.

And it wasn't just typey.

We had a person in Ohio where they did this, and the person came to her door and used an alias.

He tried to pretend he was somebody else.

And the local police thought it was a scam.

They were getting ready to arrest the guy.

And it turned out he's an IRS agent.

So, yeah, and they try to say it's because they're concerned about their agent's safety.

Give me a break.

It was because they were harassing the American people.

That's why you do oversight because it can affect real change.

Jim,

I'd like to talk to you off air.

Some

things are happening in my world that

probably should be heard.

Some really dirty business is going on.

So I'd like to bring it to your attention off air.

Thank you so much, Jim.

I appreciate everything you're doing.

This is the best of the Glenbeck program.

Let's get right to Chadwick Moore.

Chadwick is the author of Tucker,

the new book that is out.

Welcome, Chadwick.

How are you, sir?

I'm doing very well.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for inviting me on.

You bet, you bet.

So let's talk a little bit about how this came about,

the biography.

Sure.

It was we began early last spring in 2022.

Basically, my publisher called me up and said we want to do a book about Tucker Carlson.

We think he's the most important and influential voice in American politics today, and they wanted me to write it.

And

very honored and flattered.

And I called up Tucker.

And

at first he sort of was like, oh, I don't you know, I'm not very interesting and you know, I don't think anyone want to read this book.

and then you know I'd been on his show for many many years and and we knew each other that way and and you know he he sort of said you know well I read your columns all the time I love your writing and yeah let's go for it why not and from there we were we were off to the races

now you spent about a hundred hours with him up at his home in Maine and in Florida what was What was the thing that maybe surprised you the most about

his life?

I think, you know, it's the fact that he isn't someone who can just talk about politics all day long.

You know, he's very, his interests are very wide-ranging and deep.

And his level of

the extent he goes to to humble himself and to remind himself that he is not God,

which is, you know, something that he sort of reminds himself all the time, was really impressive and kind of a wonderful thing to get to know about him.

You know, he's someone who he's very spiritual without having overt

theocratic language and theology taught to him.

But he is very spiritual, and he does really see the current political paradigm as

good versus evil, which I think sort of, you know, frightens a lot of people in mainstream conservatism.

So he is

going through a spiritual awakening that, unlike I've seen very often,

he's reading the Bible every day.

He is praying about it every day.

And like you said,

there's no

dogma behind it.

He is just going through an awakening.

Were you around

for that?

Because I think that's relatively new.

Yeah, it does seem relatively new.

He was raised Episcopalian, which he sort of says, you know, he's not even sure if that's a Christian religion anymore with the direction that the church is gone.

But

I certainly saw that part of him for sure.

And he, you know, just the way he talks about the world, you know, and

something, you know, if you talk something about, you know, climate change, for example, he's very passionate about the environment, the actual environment, not the green, whatever is going on.

But the way he would speak of the environment and basically man's feebleness when it comes to something like controlling the weather, which can extend into, you know, man's feebleness really in controlling many things in the world.

You know, there was a very spiritual language and motivation behind that and the way that he's now seeing the world.

And I certainly got to see that and to write about it.

You were there when he left Fox,

and Tucker and I have talked about it that I think it's very interesting.

In the end,

with me, one of the things that Fox was...

very clear about was stop talking about God.

And at the end with Tucker,

he is talking more and more about what's happening in spiritual terms.

And I know that drives Murdoch crazy.

Do you think that played a role in

his exit?

So there was plenty of speculation about that.

It may have been one of the many reasons why they wanted to get rid of him.

Interestingly, back in February, this most past February, Tucker had had dinner with Rupert Murdoch and his then fiancé, and his fiancée had described Tucker as a messenger from God to Rupert.

People around Rupert had reported that that freaked him out.

He didn't like that.

That may have added to it.

And just the weekend before

his show was taken off the air, he gave a speech to the Heritage Foundation, and he was speaking in terms of religiosity.

And he used the words good and evil when describing what was happening in American politics.

And people have been saying for many years, and as you just said, that talk of God in Christianity really freaks out the Murdochs.

So that certainly could have contributed to it.

So when you have

Tucker and he's, you know, you're with him at Fox,

I take it he was quite surprised when they called him in and said, you're leaving, correct?

Yes, he was, for sure.

The day it happened, April 23rd, happened to be the sixth-year anniversary of his show moving into the 8 p.m.

time slot.

And when Suzanne Scott, the president of Fox News, called him up that day, he thought that she was calling to congratulate him on the anniversary.

And instead, she simply said, we're taking your show off the air.

Goodbye.

They still have not given him an official explanation.

He's still an employee of Fox News as we're speaking.

And, you know, I got to interview him a couple times after that moment.

And he was certainly shocked

and his entire team was.

But

he knows he hasn't done anything wrong.

He told me that if he had done something wrong, if he'd embarrassed himself or embarrassed his family, he'd feel badly.

But he can't feel badly because

he didn't do anything wrong as far as he can see.

The day

the show was canceled, he was planning on talking about Ray Epps.

Is that a coincidence?

It's difficult to say.

I saw his monologue that he planned to read on air that day.

It was heavily about Ray Epps in about January 6th.

It was also, in a darkly ironic turn, it was about AOC and other members of government demanding that his show be taken off the air.

AOC had gone on MSNBC that weekend to basically say that Tucker should be arrested for spreading misinformation or whatever word she's using.

And he was the only person in mainstream media that was really digging into all of these strange

activities that happened on January 6th and really trying to investigate if the federal government was playing a role in that.

And also this strange character, Ray Epps, who has been not been arrested, has been paraded around mainstream media as some kind of hero.

So that was one of many, a handful of issues that he was probably making a lot of enemies in very powerful places, and it certainly could have contributed to or been the reason why his show was taken off the air.

So

the Devin Archer interview that he did last night on Twitter or X or whatever you're supposed to say now.

Did you see that?

I did, yes.

Okay.

He, I think he played this expertly.

Most people don't know, and

I don't mean this in a bad way.

I don't mean this in the way I would normally mean this.

Tucker grew up as a Washington elite.

He knows that circle really, really well.

Yet he is, when you get to know him, he is anything but the elite, I think, in many ways.

He is

just a normal guy.

But he used his knowledge, I thought, unbelievably well.

And he was almost, he got Devin Archer to

almost laugh about like, we both know what's going on.

And that led to some pretty shocking revelations last night.

Am I reading him right on that?

I think you really summed it up beautifully.

That's sort of exactly what we watched happen.

And it's interesting that the D.C.

media wouldn't really find that stuff newsworthy.

Either they want to protect people, they don't want to report on it, but they wouldn't find it newsworthy because they live in that world and it's so normal to them.

Tucker realizes that it is normal to those people.

It's not normal to 330 million Americans who live outside of D.C.

And this is actually interesting.

And he drugged that out of Devin Archer so masterfully and wonderfully.

It was really something spectacular to watch.

So, the former head writer for Tucker just tweeted, Fox News' decision to ignore Tucker's interview with Devin Archer is infuriating employees who still believe in covering news.

Quote from one host, are you effing kidding me?

How do we not cover this?

He got Hunter Biden's business partner casually admit, all on a Twitter video.

Another top Fox source says, the amount of agitation in this building over not being able to use any of Tucker and Devin Archer's sound, Just tons of groaning and cursing from producers and a couple of anchors that it's gold and we're not allowed to touch it, use it, or refer to it.

They also didn't cover

the

interviews with all of the candidates, which I think was game-changing.

You know, I was sitting there at the anchor desk watching him on stage as we covered it at the Blaze, and universally it was, this is game-changing, totally game-changing.

And it was Tucker.

What is happening at Fox?

Is there more?

There's speculation that he did a interview with Trump that they never aired, that he had other things from January 6th that they never allowed aired.

Is any of that true?

That Blaze Media Summit from Iowa was such...

amazing television or broadcasting, whatever we're calling it on the internet.

And I was watching that and I I felt like even the quality of the commentary was so far beyond anything you would have ever seen on mainstream media.

All the commentators were so smart and funny.

I'm not just trying to, you know, butter you up.

I really mean this, and I have a point.

Thank you.

It was these commentators speaking on the level of Republican voters like they're having drinks with them in a bar.

And it made me realize that you would never see that level of connection with voters on Fox or mainstream media.

So that felt like a huge turn in independent media eclipsing mainstream media.

And then with Fox being, nobody on Fox is allowed to say the T-word, Tucker.

And I know that from, you know, I got kicked off Fox after I wrote this book.

And it was, the fact that he's breaking news now and they can't talk about it is so funny to watch.

It's amazing.

With the stuff that Tucker did, so there's a bunch of interviews people are talking about.

As far as I understand it, you know, Fox News owns that.

It's their property.

So I don't think he can do much with it.

But, you know, there's certainly lots of more January 6th reporting that they had that they're not able to show.

Tucker's not able to show on Twitter because Fox owns it and several other interviews related to that.

It's amazing to watch how this is all unfolding and how Fox has really crippled themselves.

Yeah,

I think they're over.

I mean, I've never seen anything burn down so fast as

this.

Well,

other than the Biden presidency.

You talk about in the book that Tucker emphasizes, and I'm just going to quote you here, the importance of having people around who see him as a person rather than a television personality.

Who were those

people?

Well, you know, he's become such a caricature

on the left as a sort of demonic force of all evil.

And on the right, he's also, in the establishment right, sort of portrayed as reckless and dangerous.

But, you know, you get to know him in his personal life, and you know, his relationship with his wife, Susie, is really sort of a storybook,

as storybook as it could get.

They're so in love with each other.

It's so lovely to watch them interact with one another as I got to many times.

And they met when they were in high school, and they were 15 years old, and they've been together ever since.

And, you know, Tucker has surrounds himself with people you can trust.

His whole team at Fox, there was no backstabbing.

Everyone trusted one another.

They really loved one another.

Nobody was out to subvert anyone else,

which is rare in media and especially in television.

And probably because he was such a good leader and they really believed in what he was doing.

Another reason why half the team voluntarily left Fox when his show was taken off the air.

The other half was

unceremoniously fired in one fell swoop last month.

But he

really makes his answer to the pressure.

On the day of the Blaze summit,

he was making all kinds of news, and that was the day they marched everybody out after the show.

I mean,

it was brutal.

It was brutal.

We're talking to Shadwig Moore.

He is the author of the new book, Tucker,

which was done with Tucker's knowledge and a real great inside look, easy to read, really well written, an inside look of Tucker Carlson.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Excited to have Jonathan Isaac on with us.

Hello, Jonathan.

How are you?

Hey, Duane, I'm doing great.

Thank you so much for having me.

You bet.

It is great to have you back.

I wish we were speaking in person just so I could tower over you and make you feel small, but

maybe that's just me.

So, Jonathan, tell me about Unitis and what you've done.

Yes, Unitis is a values-based alternative to sports and lifestyle leisure wear apparel.

And very simply for me, values matter.

I've been saying it for a long time.

And as companies and corporations, especially in the sportswear field, continue to move farther away from godly principles and values and constitutional principles and values, I thought it was time to create an alternative and give freedom-loving Americans, faith-loving Americans, the option to buy with their values.

So you're making leisure wear, sportswear, your shoes.

What's out right now?

And where do I get it?

Appreciate you.

Right now, we did our first kind of leisure wear drop, which is like hoodies, sweatpants, sweatshirt, t-shirts.

And that's just what it's going to be for right now.

You can head to weareUnitis, U-N-I-T-U-S, weareunitis.com.

But we have big dreams about where we're going to go.

I want to be in every single field, every sport.

I want you to be able to go from some of these other companies and get everything full in-house from Unitas.

I'm going to be dropping a sneaker, a basketball sneaker that I'll be wearing this upcoming season, a bit closer to the season, Tom.

So September, October, and also our first line of sportswear.

Sports bras, leggings, tank tops, shorts, things like that.

So we got a lot of things on the cusp, but I'm excited about the launch and how we're doing so far.

I have to ask you, Jonathan, just because I've learned a lot from the Smithsonian, and the time to ask is when it's happening and not years after.

That was what the American,

the guy who heads the American History Museum said to me.

I would love for my history museum.

I don't know if you know this or if you came through our history museum, but

we have we're only surpassed by the National Archives and the Library of Congress when it comes to founding documents.

And we have expanded so much into all kinds of things that are game-changing in the United States.

And I think what you're doing is truly game-changing.

You are taking on the biggest industry.

I mean, you're going, you know, head-to-head with Nike and Adidas and everybody else.

I think what you're doing is game-changing.

May I get for the museum a prototype or a first

edition of your shoes to be able to put into the museum right next to the Nike Betsy Ross flag

shoes that they pulled off the market.

1,000%.

I definitely got you with that without a question.

That's great.

That's great.

So tell me, I mean, I love the fact that you say Unitas, it starts with you, ends with us, but it does have knit right in the middle, which I don't know what means.

But

I love your slogan.

Begins with you and ends with us.

What does that mean to you?

What it means to me is community.

I've been through a few things when it came to standing in the bubble and being the only one on my team to not get vaccinated.

I know what it's like to stand alone or feel like you're standing alone.

And I know that in today's day, there are so many Americans that feel the same way, but don't have the platform that I have or don't have the people around them

that are encouraging them to stand up for what they believe in.

So Unitis for me is uniting all of these people.

No matter what color you are, no matter what you do, if you understand the value and necessity of these values and you want to see them represented in the marketplace and the culture, then Unitis is for you.

And I want you to become a part of this community.

So when you're out and about and you see somebody wearing Unitis, you know that that person gets it.

You know that they stand for the same values that they stand for.

You may disagree on other things or maybe not, but you know that they have a foundation in faith.

family and freedom.

And that's the community that I'm trying to build.

So it starts with you.

And I'm hoping that as time goes on, we're able to build this infrastructure of people ending with us.

So in 2020, you were the lone NBA player not to kneel for the national anthem.

And then we have COVID and you wouldn't take the vaccine.

How scary of a time was that for you?

It was terribly scary.

And, you know, it's died down a bunch now, but every time I think back about those time periods, it really was crazy.

There was so much going on.

There was so much hysteria.

It was so polarizing.

And I'm just glad that I had the people around me to give me the confidence and trust that I was doing the right thing.

I knew that true change wasn't going to come through an organization.

It wasn't going to come through a party.

I felt that it was truly going to come through the gospel of Jesus Christ, that we could have real change if we all could see.

Look, we all fall short of God's glory, and the answer is to love.

And so I decided to stand up and say that.

And

I got tons of negativity for it, but the positivity that showered from it was amazing.

And people understood where I was coming from.

And so I was excited about that.

And the same thing with the vaccine.

I tried my best to be thoughtful and clear about my position and how I felt that everyone should have the free choice to decide what they want to do with their bodies when it comes to the vaccine.

So,

you know, you look now at what's happening with the vaccine.

The Pentagon just did

study, and they show that,

what is it, carditis.

Stu, what is that?

Heart condition.

Myocarditis.

Myocarditis, yeah.

And they said that

with the military, they found an extraordinary

out-of-whack number with young people who have myocarditis, not after the first vax, but after the second vax, it went through the roof.

And you're seeing young athletes now, people who are really healthy.

And I know this has happened in the past.

I mean,

it's not common, but it does happen.

But now you're seeing all of these sports figures and all of these young athletes.

Is this out of whack or is it just that we're noticing it?

No, I would say it's out of whack.

I would say

it's extremely unfortunate given the way that COVID and everything was handled.

I know that there are plenty of people that feel,

I guess, robbed in a sense and let down because of things that are happening.

And who knows?

You know, people are talking about it, could it be, could it have been COVID, could it have been the vaccines?

I know you just talked about it being a spike after the second shot.

You know, I'm not one to just lay blame and say it is what it is, but I do think that as time goes on, there is going to be a mass,

I would say, just reckoning for what happened and the way that things were handled, the pressure that people were under to get vaccinated.

And I think it is a disservice to the American people for what happened.

So back to your product, Unitis.

You are making shoes or soon-to-be shoes, but sports clothing, sweats, t-shirts, polos, et cetera, et cetera.

And you're doing it on your own.

You, I assume you don't have any big,

or do you have any big outlets that are coming to you and saying, saying hey we want we want to be a pariah and stand with you uh do you have any big outlets or is it all on online

not yet it's definitely something that i'd be open to but right now we are just direct to consumer at weareunitus.com um and i i have again big dreams about where we could go i definitely want to have the opportunity to sponsor for colleges and and high schools and things like that as we move forward who knows um But I'm just kind of taking it one step at a time.

There are plenty of Christian, Catholic

universities and high schools and stuff.

So we're working on it.

But right now, it is just me.

And, you know, we're looking for people to come on board and help support.

And if a big outlet wants to take us to have them in their stores, we'd be open to it.

My son has just become a college football coach,

which is shocking because I barely even know what football is.

But

I would love to, and I'll foot the bill, I would love to outfit his team and the coaches with your product.

If they would do it, I don't know if they would do it, but I would love to outfit his team on that.

You are taking on, you're taking on.

Everybody,

and then you're also not making anything in China.

Everything has to be ethically made.

I know because I started a clothing company years ago.

That's really almost suicidal to do that.

It is so hard to get things of quality made at a reasonably price,

at a reasonable price.

How are you doing that?

It is very.

Why are you doing it?

Yeah, so for me, I'm not necessarily

In a sense, I say like an absolutist in terms of like, because at the end of the day, all all of us in some way, shape, or form use things that are produced in China.

And so I'm not necessarily from the standpoint of, okay, we can never use anything in China.

It's just, it's very hard to do.

For me personally, when it came to Unitis, I had my own conviction that I did not want to manufacture anything in China.

That was my choice, and I decided to go that route.

Does it make everything exponentially harder?

Yes.

Does it make producing the clothes harder?

Absolutely.

But it was something that I wanted to do.

And so when it comes to the sneakers, I got hooked up with a company called SoulWorks, and they were able to find an ethically

operating factory in Vietnam when it came to sneakers.

And so that's where we're at right now when it comes to sneakers.

We are sourcing clothing material out of Peru

and

Turkey.

and everything is being embroidered and stitched in the United States and Chicago.

And so

it does make everything much harder to produce.

And we're working on finding ways to mitigate some of those costs and things like that.

And it's going to take some time.

But I think we made the right decision by just saying, you know what, for this especially, I know we use things produced in China all the time, but for me,

I wanted to not create that affiliation.

Jonathan,

I have profound respect for you.

I have no idea what you do, really.

I've never seen you play a game.

but I have tremendous respect for what you stand for and the fight that you fight every day and the stand that you take.

So, congratulations on this.

And it has started with you and it will end with us.

Unitas is the name of the product.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate you, Glenn.

Thank you so much for having me on.

Thank you.

Jonathan Isaac, and again, weareunitis.com.

WeareUnitis.com.

That's another way to show Nike and everybody else.

Yeah.

I mean, now there's a good product out there that you can get.

It speaks to your values.

And, you know, hopefully Nike will see

eventually, you know, kind of a Bud Light kind of action against them.

Not because we're boycotting them, just because

we don't need you.

We have something that stands for for our values.

We are Unitus.com.

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