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Still more on the Biden crime family.

We have...

Oh, man, I mean, it's...

The sacrifices that politicians make for us is just beyond description.

I'll

fill you in on that in just a second.

Also, FatCon in Philadelphia, the very first fat person convention is uh happening climate change of course still happening and uh bigfoot bigfoot apparently oregon's decided he's just a hairy white guy named cliff

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Okay, well,

I really don't want to get into it,

but

I mean, we've been dancing around it for a week, and apparently the plea agreement

fell through yesterday afternoon for Stu.

And

I, you know, when

it comes out, then he can talk about it.

I don't want to talk about it, but

I mean,

when Kevin Spacey came out to testify against him, I I thought that was, that was a surprise to me.

Pat?

Yeah, I was stunned.

Yeah, we better not talk about it anymore.

He should be back at any time,

but

things are getting dicey for him.

Obviously, not yet.

He's not back yet.

Yeah.

Let me go into some sacrifice that I think is, I mean, this is heroic.

Heroic.

In fact, do we have any,

do we have like the theme from Gandhi or anything, Sarah?

Just some sad music would be.

Yeah.

Let me tell you about a Democratic congressman from Texas, Texas.

He barely survived a thirst strike.

Yeah.

He went without water for more than eight grueling hours.

Yeah, not days, not weeks.

Eight.

No, hours.

Hours.

Hours.

Have you ever gone without water for eight full hours?

Well, every night that I go to bed.

Yeah.

And

a lot of days I do that too.

He said, yesterday was incredible.

I was honored to be joined at my thirst strike by workers in Texas and across the nation.

Thirst strike.

And by a lot of colleagues pushing for federal heat and safety protections.

Now, he went nine hours without food or water.

He said, I'm more energized now than ever before.

And

it was amazing.

I don't know if you saw the picture.

Literally, I'm not making this up, a picture of him receiving medical attention

afterwards.

Wanted to make sure that

can we play that video here?

This is

yeah, there he is.

There he is.

Celebration.

He's still walking.

He is still walking, and he's standing there.

That is incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What they said.

Right.

Oh,

okay.

All right.

Well, this was exciting and

harrowing all day.

Don't know why he was doing it.

Don't really care.

Now, in Philadelphia, a fat person convention known as Fatcom will be the first of its kind, hosted in Temple University in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

The fat-focused convention told the Philadelphia Inquirer that the event will be better than just providing buzzwords like body positivity and body neutrality.

They said, quote, we're not into the buzzwords because we've seen how it affects and impacts people.

It makes people feel either included or excluded.

The idea of the convention, according to operators, is to help fat people navigate this fat phobic world and society in a different way.

I don't know if they've noticed, but most Americans, have you been to Disneyland or Disney World?

We are enormous, enormously fat.

The convention will include fat-centric fitness classes such as Curves and Stilettos.

It's held by an alleged professional dancer and when I say professional dancer, remember a professional is just someone who gets paid for it.

And her paychecks

usually go right directly into her panties.

The class claims it encourages true self-expression by challenging the status quo.

Additionally, attendees can take part in the

Twerklesque

class, a class focused on celebrating, quote, jiggles, roles, and culture.

The stripping-inspired class is hosted by a burlesque instructor.

Panels will also be there to discuss topics such as fat fashion, social media influencing, and how to navigate fat phobia.

The phrase, quote, body positivity has become bogged down with relating to body image.

Body positivity has been bogged down with relating to body image.

Yeah, they're both about the body.

You're fat.

Body positivity is supposed to make you feel good about how you look in that image of you in the mirror.

Oh my gosh, these people.

What people in larger bodies need is to step away from constantly talking about body image.

No, actually, what people like me with larger bodies need to do is step away from the in-and-out burger place.

That's what we really need to do.

We need to stop, quote, constantly talking about body image because that can be very triggering for folks who have disabilities, chronic illness, people who have been

dieting on and off their entire lives and developed eating disorders because of it.

Other draws include a fat sex therapist

named Sonali Rashtawar.

Their pronouns are they and he, which makes no sense at all.

They are, quote, they are a super fat, queer, bisexual, non-binary therapist who sounds completely healthy and co-founder of Radical Therapy Center specializing in treatment of sexual trauma, diet trauma, racial or immigrant trauma, and South Asian family abuse.

Man,

finally, there is somebody who is doing fat trauma,

sexual trauma, racial and immigrant, and South Asian family abuse.

They also offer fat positive sexual sexual health care because apparently

if you're fat, you have a hard time having sex, which I don't know because I've been concentrating on the real issue.

This story just out today: when the fires from Canada blanketed New York, I sat in smoke last month.

My partner and I tried to have sex in the early evening, but the terrible air quality outside made us shallow-breathed and racked by coughing fits in the orange light.

Our lungs had been the subject of much neurosis.

I don't think it's your lungs that has

for the last three years, a pandemic deeply intertwined with climate change.

The pandemic deeply entwined with climate change.

And when we finally caught the virus eight months before the smoke came, we developed a cough that wouldn't leave us.

Now, we don't know if he's talking about the couple, him and his partner,

that developed a cough or not, because we can't really understand anything when the news media just reports we developed a cough that wouldn't leave us.

Every generation thinks the world is ending.

My friend's dad told us months before, but as we ate sweet corn cakes on an unseasonably warm spring night, he said, but you guys might be right.

Yeah, apparently

there is alarming, I'm quoting, alarming evidence that climate change, both directly and indirectly, impacts our sexual health, including, including due to increased gender-based violence or disruptions in sexual or reproductive services because of extreme weather.

You know, Pat, I gotta tell you, I was trying to get to Planned Parenthood to get a condom the other day, and the sign said it's too hot outside, global warming, all of our condoms melted.

And so I had to go home.

And my

reproductive services have been disrupted because of extreme weather.

I mean, it's happening every day.

Yeah.

The article goes on.

It's getting hotter, so sex might become a more uncomfortable, sweaty affair

but the thornier question is perhaps is to ask how intimacy is changing in the face of impending doom

now

these people have air conditioning have they ever heard of it there's

something called air conditioning you know maybe a fan i was going more after the i was i was going more after the impending doom but uh you know air air conditioning does make

doom a little better.

Now, if you think that story might be over the top, I want you to know that if you haven't heard from United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres,

you don't know how bad it is.

Here he is on global warming this week.

And for scientists, it is unequivocal.

Humans are to blame.

All this is entirely consistent with predictions and repeated warnings.

The only repeated warning is the speed of the change.

Climate change is here,

which is terrifying and it is just

at the beginning.

The era of global warming has ended.

The era of global boiling has arrived.

Global boiling

is unbreathable.

Wow.

The heat is unbreakable.

And the level of fossil fuel

climate inaction is unacceptable.

Oh,

unacceptable.

Must live.

Wow.

Livers must live.

And I love that.

Now, I'm going to turn into a bat.

Oh, that's scary.

More scary stuff.

But I'm going to help you out.

Not everything is bad.

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Portland, Oregon,

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And

they have made a mascot of Sasquatch.

And apparently,

he is a blue-eyed dude named Cliff.

I think we've said it all today.

Let's take a break.

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This is going to be disturbing, Pat.

Now, not as disturbing as that incredible nine hours.

I can't get past that.

Yeah, I know.

Nine hours without food or water.

No one's ever done, that's unprecedented.

No one's ever done that.

That's never been done.

Never been done.

Never.

No.

I mean, a full nine hours without

food.

Donut

or water.

I mean, I can't.

Good thing medical aid was right around the corner for that.

And they had a big bottle of water ready for him at the end of the line there.

Did they?

Yeah.

But he pushed it away, didn't he?

No, he drank it.

No, I don't want that.

He drank it.

Oh, he drank it.

Yeah, he did.

Okay.

Well,

he was about to go blind.

And that's a horrible, horrible way to die.

The longest fast anybody has ever had up until that that point was like three and a half minutes.

And

now, look at that guy.

Nine hours.

Bang.

Wow.

Yeah.

Incredible.

And you do believe that he is still alive, right?

Well,

I saw him on video.

So that's all I have.

Well, there's a lot of deep fakes out there.

That's true.

That's probably

the Republicans trying to make it look like he didn't sacrifice his life, you know, for whatever it is he was protesting.

Now,

a recently passed Florida law, known as Senate Bill 254,

now makes transgender

surgeries and hormone therapies with irreversible effects legal for minors in the state while requiring people to use bathrooms and locker rooms according to their biological sex.

My gosh.

Circumventing the often cited problem of narcissistic parents using their children and as political fashion accessories, the law outlines the reality that minors do not have the capacity to consent and that sex change procedures should wait until they're adults.

Now this is sickening.

This is the kind of stuff you get in Florida now.

And not everybody is happy.

I'll tell you that right now.

And are you ready?

Some leftist parents say they must, must now flee places like Florida to keep their children safe.

And as a potential homeowner someday in Florida, I say, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

This is the way.

The problem is solved.

All we have to do is say, you can't mutilate your children.

And that pisses them off so much, they leave.

Why didn't we try that the first day?

Oh man, political mass migrations of Americans are now commonplace.

Millions upon millions of people are leaving blue states, not red states, blue states.

I personally would like to advocate, I said this earlier this week, for passing common sense constitutional laws that just reinforce things like, hey, no genital mutilation of your children.

Okay, let's pass those.

Let's pass those common sense laws that make it very uncomfortable for the extremists to come in and wreck our states.

People are self-selecting right now.

I'm thinking about building a city that is just, I don't know, has Rush Limbaugh Boulevard in it.

You know, I think that's what we should do.

We should have Rush Limbaugh, you know, Martin Luther King,

we should have Rush Limbaugh Boulevard.

I think,

you know, you put that in the middle of the city.

You know, somebody's coming in, like, I hear this is a nice city.

Maybe me and my progressive family should move in.

Rush Limbaugh Boulevard.

It will be fantastic.

Just throwing that out.

By the way, Mitt Romney yesterday

agreed with Adam Schiff

that it shouldn't be illegal for government to use big tech for censorship.

So I think that was.

I think that was good.

Really, really like that.

He's good all the way around, isn't he?

Man, I'll bet Utah is really happy they voted for him.

Well, yeah, look.

Yeah.

Oh, he's wearing a wiener ball cap because he likes wieners.

Look at that right up there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That is great.

If you're watching Blaze TV, you'll see.

But that is great.

Mitt Romney, you're doing a bang up job.

I'm going to be talking to several people that want to run for Mitt Romney's job, I think, this weekend.

So I'll let you know if there's anybody out there.

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Yesterday, I was,

you know, not so stunned that Feinstein had to be told exactly how to vote.

She was completely out of it.

But I was looking at her, and I noticed she's beginning to look a lot like the Emperor

from Star Wars.

And do we have those pictures side by side here?

Because it's look at that.

Well, no, that's me and her.

Now put the two side by side.

Okay, there you go.

There you go.

Right?

Ah, yeah.

I mean, they could be the same person.

Her hair looks like the cowl.

If she was wearing a hoodie, it would be the same person.

It would be.

Well, unfortunately, the Democratic hoodie belongs to Fetterman.

So we have that.

Here's what happened with Diane Feinstein yesterday.

She is being asked for her vote, and she has no idea what's going on.

Senator Feinstein.

Say aye.

Pardon me?

Aye.

Yeah.

I would like to support a yes vote on this.

It provides $823 billion.

That's an increase of $26 billion for the Department of Defense.

And it funds priorities submitted.

Just say aye.

Yeah, just say I.

Okay.

Just.

Aye.

Thank you.

Wow.

Oh, my gosh.

Wow.

Oh, my gosh.

Now, we have Feinstein.

Here's Joe Biden.

If you could do anything at all, Joe, what would you do?

I said, I'd cure cancer.

They looked at me like, why cancer?

Because no one thinks we can.

That's why.

And we can.

We'd end cancer as we know it.

And we're still feeling the profound loss of the pandemic.

As I mentioned, we have over 100 people dead.

That's 100 empty chairs around the kitchen table.

100 people dead.

Empty chairs and empty tables.

So there he is, our president, who you and I both know completely incompetent.

I don't say that with glee.

I say that as

somebody who really thinks the Biden family is engaged engaged in elder abuse.

But you have Feinstein, same thing.

You have Biden.

Earlier this week, we had Mitch McConnell completely freeze.

Watch.

String of.

Hello.

He's obviously having some sort of neurological event.

Right now, something is happening to his brain

then if that's not enough you also have uh fetterman

yeah

we have

yeah here comes

um here he is really like the you know the 95

95 95

you know you know um you know the 95 95

95 you're pretty much preoccupied with what 95 uh-huh okay all right stop stop stop stop

These four examples

are leaders.

They are leaders.

Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Feinstein, and Fetterman.

This is

cruel.

Just on the one hand, just cruel.

Cruel to them.

Cruelty by their families and quite honestly cruel to the American people because these people don't have any idea what they're doing.

You know what this says?

This says it doesn't matter who is elected.

We just need a cog.

All we need is somebody with an R or a D.

Put them in there and the machine will work.

This shows you that our government is no longer about the individual

at the government level even.

They don't believe in the individual.

They don't need the individual.

All they need are little cogs that say R or D.

Just say yes.

Just say yes.

Just say I.

That's all you have to say.

Now, you add to that Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosa, and everybody's favorite, our vice president, Kamala Harris.

When we invest in clean energy and electric vehicles and reduce population,

More of our children can breathe clean air and drink clean water.

That's right.

More of our children, well, less of our children, because we're reducing the population.

This is the woman that said, AI is a fancy word.

No, it's actually two words, but it's a fancy word.

And it's two words.

Artificial intelligence.

Now, that's the kind of first-grader mentality that we have going on as our vice president.

Nancy Pelosi, damn near senile.

Maxine Waters, damn near senile.

Then you go to Elon Omar,

who Elon Omar said this week, 120,000 years.

In 120,000 years, we have never had a hotter day than we just had.

And we just had three in a row.

What

the hottest three days in 120,000 years.

How are you measuring that?

How are you possibly measuring that?

Then you add all of the rest of the squad.

You have Marxist, racist, anti-Semites who are either brain dead, damaged, or simply stupid.

Then add to that in our government, you have those who are obvious liars and thieves.

Adam Schiff, Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell.

You want to know why our country's on the edge?

Because you keep voting for these people.

Now, I know you're right now going, I didn't vote for these people.

No, uh-uh.

But your friends and neighbors did.

Oh, it's not my guy.

California.

California, Feinstein.

Pennsylvania, Fetterman.

Kentucky, McConnell.

Biden,

the United States of America,

you know, and then some other things that were stuffed into.

Maxine Waters, Texas, Nancy Pelosi, California, Kamala Harris, the United States of America, Elon Omar.

I mean, you at least have...

Look, I'm dealing with severe weather all the time.

It's always cold up in Minnesota.

I mean, you can't expect us to deal with a cold and pick a decent

representative, right?

What is wrong with us?

We get the government we deserve.

We have the government we deserve.

If you seriously re-elect Fetterman,

re-elect Feinstein, McConnell, Biden, how is Biden even a serious consideration for anyone?

How is the greatest nation, the most powerful nation on earth, have a senile president and the person that, if he dies or is taken out of office, is replaced by a complete and total idiot?

Because it's a machine.

That's it.

Doesn't matter.

It's a machine.

They don't care.

They have the people around those people people to tell them exactly what to do.

You didn't hire the President Joe Biden for his vision.

You hired him because he wasn't Donald Trump.

And you didn't care that three people were showing up at

his campaign rallies.

And that's when he did them.

Because the rest of the time he was in his basement sitting next to his wife, who was correcting him in his conversations with the press.

Who are we electing?

Who are we electing?

And who is actually running the country?

Because you know it's not him.

You know it's not Kamala,

right?

You know that.

Who's running the country?

McConnell.

running the Republican Party.

Okay, he's done a super, super job.

The Republicans are so solid right now under his leadership.

So you have McConnell.

Now McConnell keeps falling.

He clearly had a neurological event, and nobody in the Republican Party said anything.

You've got Biden and everybody saying in the Republican Party, what the hell is going on with Biden?

But you won't question McConnell?

That's obscene.

You question Federman and Feinstein, but not McConnell.

We got to get rid of the president.

He's completely senile.

But the guy who will have to vote for war or pass the legislation that says we're not going to vote for war

is Mitch McConnell.

Who's running him?

Seriously,

we're not voting for anybody.

You're voting for a face or a name, but you're not voting for...

Did you vote to take the water heaters by

2029, the water heaters that you have, and replace them?

Because if you have gas, it's too dangerous.

It's too bad.

It's not good.

We got to get off of natural gas water heaters.

Did you vote last week to make sure that no one

will have a generator?

Because it's a gas generator, too much carbon dioxide.

So what we need to do is have big generators that reduce that footprint by 90%,

which no one makes.

No one makes.

And the small ones by 50%,

which no one makes.

Did you vote for that?

Because I didn't vote for that.

But does it matter?

Because I don't think Biden was the one who actually drew up the executive order to do it.

He didn't do it.

Who is doing it?

Who's leading this team of numbskulls?

You know, I started with, it is really sad and abusive.

It's sad.

Feinstein's children.

Family, where are they?

Mom,

you gotta stop.

Grandma, please,

would you give the keys to your car to Dianne Feinstein?

Would you give the keys to your car to Fetterman, to McConnell, to Joe Biden?

I wouldn't.

Why are we giving them the keys to our country?

Oh my gosh.

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So we have all these dummies,

brain, literally brain-damaged people.

And what's the news yesterday?

The congressman from Texas who was on a thirst strike for eight hours and needed medical care.

Unbelievable.

That and another set of charges against Donald Trump.

That's what we're focused on.

Yeah.

Right.

It is absolutely incredible what is happening.

I mean,

I told you,

what, 2020

in 2005,

you know, this is going to start happening.

This is going to be bad.

We're really starting to lose it.

I, and Pat, I know you said that before even me, you said by 2020, 2030, we're going to be losing our country.

But did you imagine that we would self-destruct like this?

I really didn't.

I really didn't.

This is a self-inflicted wound.

All of them are.

All of them.

I don't think you could possibly see this coming.

That we would knowingly elect people who are so cognitively compromised.

They can't get through a speech or a line or they can't read.

And people around them have to tell them what to say and what to do and where to go and how to get off stage.

I would never have believed it.

I believed it.

Let's say I get Alzheimer's or I just start start decaying faster than I already am.

My wife comes into the studio and is sitting next to me and just says,

Just say you're against it.

Say this, say you're against it.

What would you say to my wife?

Oh,

how could you enable him?

How could you put him through this?

It's embarrassing.

It's humiliating.

It's bad for him.

It's bad for us.

It's bad for the listener.

Plus, people would demand you get off the air.

How much more important

is the presidency, the The U.S.

Senate?

The congressional Senate?

Geez.

I mean, it's unbelievable.

I can't.

There's no words to describe it.

It is the endorsement of the machine.

You want to talk about the deep state?

That's it.

How else is it running?

It's not running through Kamala.

It's not running through the president.

Certainly things aren't being done for Pennsylvania through Fetterman or California by Feinstein anymore.

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Prosecutors from the Justice Department told Judge Lewis Kaplan that they were dropping the charge of conspiracy to make unlawful campaign contributions because they had failed to obtain permission from the government of the Bahamas for that charge.

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Carol Roth is with us now.

She is

the author of You Villa Nothing.

And she is also a former investment banker.

She is recovering from all of those years.

Welcome, Carol.

Hi, Glenn.

Happy Friday.

And

I hope you've had a good week.

It seems like one of those, you know, it's the wrong week to quit sniffing glue weeks.

It's just

one thing after another.

It is

crazy.

First of all, Joe Biden's case, Hunter Biden's case, falls apart.

And there's a story today out that is talking about how angry his attorneys are at this judge for what?

Doing her job?

Then yesterday we find out that,

what's his name, Sam Bankman Freed,

is

being, the charges are being dropped for him on any kind of illegal campaign donations.

He gave tens of millions of dollars to the Democrats, Tens of millions of dollars.

And he did it illegally.

He was doing it under other people's names, fake names,

and under his company, which he can't do.

But they dropped that.

Why, Carol?

Yeah, I mean, it's even worse than that.

The allegations were that he was using customers' money to make the donation.

So it wasn't even just the fake names.

It was literally somebody had put their money with him as a custodian, and allegedly that's what happened.

But so let's take a step back and remind everybody who this Sam Bankman-Freak character is.

He was this 20-something wonderkin, you know, that just comes out of nowhere who's altruistic.

You know, he just wants to get rich so he can give it all away, Glenn.

And he does this from a $40 million penthouse in a tax haven called Bahamas.

Absolutely nothing suspicious there, right?

And when you think about financial frauds, there's two different kinds.

There's the ones that

try to stay away from the regulators.

They're very under the radar.

They're not trying to draw attention.

And then there were ones that run directly towards the politicians, usually because the politicians are involved.

And I think about the 1MDB sovereign debt scandal that happened over in Malaysia as an example of that.

So what happened here is that you had these prosecutors who brought Bankman Fried up on all charges.

He was in the Bahamas at the time that he was charged, and the U.S.

signed an extradition treaty with the Bahamas.

Now, obviously, the U.S.

has a lot of leverage over the Bahamas, right?

If you want the Bahamas to turn somebody over,

it's not really that challenging to do it.

Correct.

This is the second time that they have dropped a charge, and both of them are related, in my opinion.

The first one was the violating anti-bribery statutes, right?

And the second is these campaign finance charges.

And if you think about that, they say, oh, well, that wasn't part of the extradition treaty.

Okay, but again, the U.S.

has massive leverage over the Bahamas.

If this is something that you wanted to either be in the treaty to start with or you wanted to pursue, this is not a difficult thing.

The issue is that there's a lot at stake.

It would open up a huge, deep dive into where all of this money went,

how it was used, if there was potentially any money laundering that was involved.

Clearly a trail, a deep dive that a lot of very well-connected people who got this money didn't want to have happen.

And then there potentially would be a renewed call for the politicians to return the money.

A handful did, but many, many didn't.

And, you know, just kind of a look into what's happening with

all these offshore accounts that allegedly Beckman Fried was setting up and involved in.

So this is

if you believe in the simplest answer is the right answer here.

The fact that you had both bribery and finance charges, it's because of his cozy nature with the politicians and the fact that they were all involved in this at various different levels, and they don't want that information coming out.

So, Carol, I look at the billions, billions, hundreds of billions of dollars that we are sending to Ukraine.

And we know now, I mean, most people aren't talking about this, and I don't know why, but on Wednesday in front of the judge, Hunter Biden said, yes, okay, I did take money from China.

So

all of the lies of the past that we knew were lies, at least anyone who's paying attention, now been confirmed.

He took money from Ukraine as well and this is a country we're sending hundreds of billions of dollars toward

and there's no oversight

it is almost as if the biggest heist

is happening right under our noses and we see it but we're not doing anything about it.

I think there's a very good chance that this was all just money laundering and putting this money.

Do you know how much of the world you could change with

$100 million?

Can you imagine what you could change with a billion dollars?

I mean, all of this untracked or untraceable all over the world.

Who's getting all this money?

You mean to tell me you don't think that Hunter Biden is a Renaissance man, that his amazing discretion makes him highly sought sought after to sit on international boards and lead international dealings.

Oh, and by the way,

to be an amazing painter that commands

six figures for his paintings.

It is

so blatant.

It's so out in the open.

It's almost like they're rubbing everybody's faces in it, and they're just seeing how far they can push.

And unfortunately, people are so wrapped up in the day-to-day nonsense that there really isn't any pushback against these issues.

I mean, I couldn't even begin to speculate what is happening with this money that we're sending over because there's so much of it.

It's entirely unaccounted for,

and it doesn't seem to stop.

No.

And who does that?

And now we have a guy who we know was taking other people's money and sending it to politicians and donating it in ways that are highly illegal, and nobody's going to look into it.

I mean,

it's very hard not to be a conspiracy theorist and say

they're all in on a money laundering thing.

Something else is going on.

Yeah, again,

allegedly, it seems that to be a realistic outcome because how could it not?

And when you look at how hard they've been going after President Trump from the time that he came down that elevator to announce his presidency to

yesterday and all of the things that they, you know, these little things, many of them made up that they were going after, all the while doing many of the same things that they're accusing him of doing or much worse,

it's beyond a two-tier system of justice.

It's, you know, if you are with us, you are going to benefit.

We're going to find a way to move this money around and get everybody paid.

And, you know, I've always said that Congress is a place where you legally launder money.

So this could be a legal laundering of it.

But

see, clearly, people are getting paid in a way that

our government was not set up to make sure that they were getting paid.

Correct.

So they dropped the charges on him.

The rest of the charges, is he going away for a very long time?

You know, I guess it depends on who he knows and

what they want to come out and what they don't want to come out.

I mean, if you think about, you know, back in December of 2022, Maxine Waters, who previously was blowing kisses at Sam Megman-Fried in a hearing on crypto,

she put out that tweet about, oh, you know, you've been so candid in your discussions, and we're so happy that you would talk to the public.

I mean, when does somebody in Congress ever do something like that?

I mean, it's just so blatant and so bizarre.

So he's clearly incredibly well tied, and there's something much deeper going on here.

So whether he gets off, whether he gets disappeared, whether the camera in his jail cell stops working like, you know, so many others, Glenn, or not, I think depends on the level of what has happened behind the scenes.

And it's like this onion.

Every time we peel back a layer, we're finding more and more.

There is much more going on here because of the level of the money we were talking about here and his cozy nature with all the politicians.

As I said when we started, usually with financial fraud, you don't want the attention of people who are regulators and people in Congress and those high profile people unless they're involved.

And that's what had had happened with 1MDB and all of these other corruption issues.

So the fact that you have

all of these people who were running cover for him and you're not standing up and denouncing him and now you're getting these charges dropped says to me there's something deeper we haven't discovered yet.

That is terrifying, Carol.

Thank you so much.

Carol Roth, the author of You Will Own Nothing.

Will you hold on just a second, Carol, because I want to talk to you about the GDP here in a second.

But

before I go to commercial, I just, I have to say what she just said about the charges on Donald Trump.

Have you gotten the message yet?

You are not to stand up against the machine or they will destroy you.

That's the message that they are trying to send.

Donald Trump, I contend, is maybe the cleanest person ever to go to Washington.

This guy has been investigated by every intelligence agency, both friend and foe.

More investigations have been done on that guy than anyone else, and they have to make things up

to be able to charge.

I mean, it is...

It's obscene.

It is absolutely obscene.

And they are doing it

to make sure you understand.

If we can do that to him, that guy may go to jail.

Why?

Because he wouldn't play the game with the rest of the machine.

It is sick what's going on.

I thank God for you.

I really do.

I would have such little hope if it wasn't for you.

Standing up every day and being heard and caring about it.

My gosh, if I felt alone,

don't ever feel alone.

There's millions of Americans who are just as upset about this as you are.

We just have to continue to stand up and not accept the lies.

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Carol, let's talk about the GDP and what happened this week.

Yeah, so we got a higher-than-expected reading on the GDP, and I think it's got

some people on the surface level scratching their head.

How could it be?

I'm feeling all of this in my pocketbook.

What's going on?

Why are things

better than expected?

And I think there are a couple of reasons why.

If you look at consumer spending, consumer spending, while it has grown over a sort of a zero base point, it's definitely contracting, particularly on the goods side,

massively on the good side, a little bit still on the services side.

There's been so much pent-up demand for things like eating out and travel since the COVID period that people haven't sort of run through that.

But because people still have their jobs, they feel okay in doing things that what I call are causing a personal recession.

They're taking on credit card debt, they're dipping into their savings, so they're basically ruining their own personal balance sheets in order to support the economy on their back.

So that's one piece of it.

Second, obviously, government spending.

The government has been, even though the Fed is trying to get them to stop spending, not only directly are they propping up

the GDP, but also a lot of the incentive programs that they have created through their policy has had business investment continue to grow.

So when we thought, okay, interest rates are going up, it's more expensive for companies, A, they had locked in low cost of capital from 15 years of near zero interest rate policies, but also there are certain industries that the government's picking winners and losers, and they're saying, oh, well, you'll get an incentive if you buy your electric vehicle or whatnot.

And so those have been carrying it.

So I think that this is kind of this interim lag period where you're seeing, okay, everybody's still like doing everything they can, squeezing every quarter that they can out to hold up this economy.

But between the lag time of having so much, like such a long duration of this crazy monetary policy, and the fact that these Fed hikes take a while to work their way through the economy, it doesn't mean that we're out of the woods.

And I think that's the important thing.

I think people get complacent when they see something like this and go, okay, well, you know, we're going to get this off landing.

Everything's going to be great.

No, you need to continue to practice some personal austerity, to put some money away for that rainy day.

If the labor market turns over at all, we're we're going to see something completely different.

If we get a commercial real estate crash, we're going to see something completely different.

And just in general, this stuff is going to take a little while to work its way through.

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And

Ram,

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How can Ford lose $2 billion this year on EVs and not be able to deliver on trucks and stay in business?

Can you look into this for me?

Well, we'll talk about it more, but I'll give you a preview.

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I want to tell you about a veteran.

A veteran who has served his country and then

served in an entirely different way.

Somebody that you know,

let's call him Joe.

He started having problems in his stomach on September of 2022.

He tried to self-diagnose, thought maybe it was lactose intolerance or, you know, allergic to gluten or whatever.

Come December, the pain is so bad that he goes to the emergency room room at the VA, the VA center, and he's sent home with pain medication, but no real answers.

The pain got worse and worse, and Joe went back to the emergency room.

They found then a mass on his pancreas.

The VA did a test, told him it was cancer.

Then they called back four days later and said, oh, no, you know what?

It isn't cancer.

Then on January 11th, the VA called and said, no, it is cancer.

It's stage 3 pancreatic cancer.

So he goes through eight months,

I'm sorry, eight rounds of chemo.

But unfortunately, the cancer had spread to his liver as well.

The VA wouldn't work with him

and his wife.

They wanted to try naturopathic medicines as well.

And it was, this is the way we do things, and that's it.

You know, when you're talking about somebody's life or your own life, you don't want to leave any stone unturned.

So they started looking around the country and the world for alternatives.

And Joe and his wife said, God has answered our prayers.

Joe was accepted to Cancer Treatments of America, known as the City of Hope, where they do Western medicine and naturopathic medicine.

Unfortunately, as of July 26th, the new chemo has stopped working.

Now Joe's on a list for a new trial medicine for pancreatic cancer.

Unfortunately, there is not a current start date for the new trial.

They're trying to move to Wisconsin for be around more family and get more support for family.

And their three young, beautiful children.

His wife's name is Katie.

His name is Joe, but you know him as Joe the Plumber.

And he's on with us now.

Hey, Joe.

Hey, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

You bet.

You sound a lot different than you did when we first spoke all those many years ago.

How are you holding up?

Oh, you know, every day is a blessing.

I wake up in the morning and I'm here, so that makes me happy.

But

you got good days and bad days.

Today is

a little rougher than some, but again, I'm here and I'm grateful for it.

Is it the pain, Joe, or is it the treatment?

Because you were violently ill all the time with the chemo, were you not?

Yeah, the chemo, that's that's one of the things my wife and I struggled with a lot when we first got diagnosed.

You know, do we do Western medicine?

Do we do all natural?

And, you know, we prayed a lot and talked a lot.

And we said, well, why don't we do both?

And so,

you know, we started doing the chemo, but at the same time, my wife has researched everything underneath the sun.

And she, there's so many Facebook groups out there and

organizations that will lead you down the natural path, sick route as well.

And so, you know, I try to do a little bit of both, but sometimes the chemo will keep you from taking pills or taking supplements.

You know, it makes you tired all the time,

makes you very sick.

And,

you know, I dropped.

I dropped over 100 pounds.

I went from 250, and right now I weigh 146 pounds.

How's the VA treating you?

Well, you know, there were some incredible people that we met at the VA, people that really liked their job, people that really tried hard.

But when it came to the oncologist departments, you kind of nailed them on the head when you were reading or talking about it earlier.

As, you know, this is what we do.

This is the way we do it.

If you want to do anything else, you're going to have to go outside of

scope.

You know, we would ask them about vitamin C treatment.

We would ask them about mistletoe.

And these are two things that they've been doing overseas for years.

And they saw some, you know, some good things from them, but it's nothing that the VA wanted any part of.

And I mean, I even got my dander up a little bit and said, you know, listen, me being a plumber, I want to know everything about plumbing there is.

That way, when a customer comes to me and asks me about it, I have an answer.

When my wife and I come to you and talk to you about this, you know,

your guys' eyes glaze over, and you don't even want to think about it.

And it just, it got me angry because it just seems that a lot of hospitals and big farm get in the way of

a real

movement going forward to cure some of this stuff.

You know, if they can't make money off of it,

they don't want to research it.

I know.

So,

Joe, you have been very active.

You're active in your community.

You've been raising money for a school.

You've traveled the country

just giving speeches for a long time because

you were roped into politics about 2008.

And you have three young children.

How old are your children?

My oldest, I don't know if you remember, but I was a single dad for years.

So I have a 28-year-old son that I

raised by myself, and he's doing outstanding.

And then

the Lord blessed me with my current wife.

And we have a 10-year-old, an eight-year-old, and a five-year-old.

Two, the oldest,

the 10-year-old's a girl, and the eight-year-old's a boy, and the five-year-old's another girl.

Tell me about Katie.

Oh, Katie, I've been calling her Wonder Woman ever since this has started.

She has been

such a rock for me.

I mean, between making sure that I get to church to

running around, making sure I have a glass of water to doing all the research that she can.

I think she knows, sometimes I think she knows more than the doctors because there's her nose ain't in a book reading about cancer and the next step that we can do, then she's taking care of either the three kids or she's taking care of my dad or she's taking care of me.

You're taking care of your dad.

In fact, you started to build a basement for your dad because your dad had an aneurysm, right?

Yeah, years ago, my dad had an inoperable aneurysm.

The third best neurosurgeon in the world came along and said, hey, I think I can help you here.

And it was touch and go.

We lost him a couple times on the table, but he came through it.

But he still,

it didn't leave him in a position to care for himself as much.

And, you know, my wife just fell in love with my mom, who passed away from cancer a couple years ago.

She fell in love with my dad, and she treats him just like her own parents.

And she, you know, she goes over and does his bills.

She goes over and does all his shopping.

She just

doesn't stop.

It's just, you know, everybody else has 24 hours of the day, and it seems like she's got 48 hours as much as she could spend.

So

you are,

there's been a,

excuse me, there has been a

give, send, go.

that has been opened.

You just search for Joe the plumber, and they're trying to raise money to not only help with medical, but also to

you're gonna you're trying to finish the basement for your dad, right?

Well, that kind of goes up in the air.

If we move to Wisconsin,

you know, my dad's praying about it right now, but there's not actually a lot of support for him there either.

If we move, you know, he's he's got some sisters there in the surrounding area, but um, you know, Katie's just not Katie's

Katie's worried that they wouldn't be there for him as much as he might need.

And so we're actually looking, you know, I mean, you know, Glenn,

I believe in God.

I'm a Christian, and I know God can perform miracles at any time.

And I truly believe that.

It's an incredible feeling knowing that.

But at the same time, thank you out of cancer is no joke.

And, you know, most people unfortunately pass away from it.

And so as a husband and a father, I just want to make sure my wife and children have the support they're going to need in case it goes the other way.

And so moving them to Wisconsin and

having her parents here and her two sisters here and the kids as cousins will really help

but it'll really help offset some of the pain and hurt that

I'm sorry, excuse me, but it'll really help.

So that's what we're trying to make happen right now.

We uh

it's one thing, I tell you what, it's it's amazing.

Just you know, you got your friends and family, but it's incredible the amount of people I don't know who have reached out to offer prayers, to offer donations.

There are so many great people in this world,

and I've been thankful to meet a lot of them.

And some of them do anonymous donations.

And, you know, we,

it's so,

you know, it's just, it's been incredible in that regards.

But yeah, no, we need to.

Really focusing on a couple of things.

One is getting my wife and kids up here so that they'll have the support they need need

as things move forward.

And

we're still looking for alternative medicines.

We're still

looking at different clinics around the country.

I'm on one list for a trial, but

there's no date.

City of Hope is reaching out to some other hospitals

in America.

and seeing if there's any trials that

I might be able to get.

And the one thing with the trials is that

you have to fly to them or drive to them.

And right now, we've been driving from Ohio to

Illinois for the last three and a half, four months.

Going through Chicago is not easy.

It's never easy getting through Chicago.

But

it's difficult, but

it's your life.

And so you'll do whatever it takes to

you know, to keep that life.

It's precious.

Joe,

I've only got about a minute,

but I want to thank you for everything that you have done for the country and standing up and being brave enough and taking all of the hits.

I remember all of the hits that you took over and over and over again.

And just for being an average citizen and asking an honest question, question, do you have, you know, as you face this, do you have any advice or thoughts on

life?

Ultimately, I just pray more people come to God, Glenn.

You know, I've always, it's one thing that helped me through all this from day one was staying grounded, reading the good book,

and knowing that God was in charge and I wasn't.

And so,

you know, if you need help, if you need strength, you know, God promised he'll be with us.

He doesn't promise an easy road, but he promised that he'd be with us.

And that's something that my family and I have leaned on for a very long time.

And so that's the one thing.

You can take strength from God and

know that there are a lot more good people out there than bad.

You know, we all we have some differences out there, but ultimately people want to do good things, and

that's been incredible to see throughout

this last almost year.

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I have to tell you, I met a gentleman a few weeks ago, and he gave me his card because he said, I am

the official documenting photographer of the Shroud of Turin when they did the last test on the Shroud of Turin.

If you don't know what the Shroud of Turin is, it is said to be the burial cloth of Christ.

And

there's a lot of controversy about it because the carbon dating shows that it's not from the time of Christ.

It's like 800 or 1,000 years later.

And they can tell you that it's definitely not the shroud of Christ, but they cannot explain the image on the shroud.

It is almost a photographic negative of a body

that has all of the wounds that Christ would have had.

They can't tell you what it is, but they can tell you what it's not.

Well, Barry talks to me, and then all of a sudden, one of my producers, who was taking Torah study,

hears about Barry in her Torah study and she reaches out to Barry and unbeknownst to me she says we got to get you on the show so and this day that I come in to tell everybody we got a book Barry

you know down in Texas I'm in Idaho My producer says, hey,

we got to get Barry on.

I think he's going to be great.

And I said, have I already told you guys about him?

no why I think it's a god thing that he's on his name is Barry Schwartz and he is joining us now hello Barry how are you I'm doing great Glenn thanks for having me on the program

you bet so um Barry you are the the official documenting photographer so you were up close and personal with the shroud you took all of the the pictures were you a believer

that this was the

burial garb of Christ when you first started?

Absolutely not, Glenn.

I was a total skeptic.

I was raised in an Orthodox Jewish home.

Although I'm a secular Jew and not practicing, I didn't really have any emotional attachment to the shroud.

And my involvement mainly came from my background as a photographer and imaging specialist.

And so I was invited onto the team to participate in the examination of the Shroud.

We spent five days and nights non-stop working around the clock back in 1978 and performed the first and only in-depth scientific study of that cloth that's ever been done in its history.

Okay, so you were one of three Jewish members of the Shroud team.

Were there non-skeptics on the team?

I'm sure that a few of the members of the team were less skeptical than I was, let's put it that way.

I think that most of the team members came from Los Alamos National Labs, Sandia Labs, Air Force Weapons Lab.

So these were hardcore scientists, and thank God for that, because if they weren't hardcore scientists, the whole world might have blown up by now.

So they were very meticulous and absolutely the most empirical scientists I've ever worked with.

Okay, so they did the tests and they said

the carbon dating is wrong and it's not the shroud.

The carbon dating didn't happen until 10 years after we examined the shroud.

Our team examined it and our primary purpose was really to determine how that image was formed.

Is it a painting?

Is it a scorch?

Or was it made photographically?

And ultimately, the science eliminated all those possibilities.

So as you said in the intro, we can tell you what it's not, not, but we don't know of a mechanism that can create an image on a piece of cloth with the same chemical and physical properties that we documented on the shroud.

So does it look like there's, I mean,

was it something that you were like, we can't explain it, but we can see somehow or another it's man-created?

Well, we don't believe it is.

There's nothing been added to the surface of that cloth.

And I mean, that was the first thing we looked for was any paint, pigments, binders, anything that would imply that something had been added to the cloth that would have created the image.

And we found nothing.

If anything, the image itself is made of yellow discolored fibers.

And it's the concentration of those fibers in any given area that indicates the darkness of that area itself.

So there really was nothing added there.

So my initial response, even though I was totally skeptic, after about the first 15 minutes of looking at it with a 10x magnifier,

I knew that there wasn't any paint on the surface of that.

And ultimately, our mass spectrometry and chemical analyses, X-ray analyses, all of that showed that nothing has been added, no pigments, no paints, nothing has been added to that cloth to create that image.

I have to tell you,

that's not

what I thought

the Shroud of Turin experts said.

I've always thought that the scientific experts deny that this is,

you know, from the time period and it was definitely man-made.

It's not.

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

No, go ahead.

You mentioned the radiocarbon dating, which was done 10 years after our team completed our work.

And for decades after that, the world said, well, the shroud must be a fake.

It took 27 years in the Freedom of Information Act to get the British Museum that was the overseer of the three labs that

did the radiocarbon testing.

It took 27 years for the British Museum to release the raw data, which is very unusual.

Historically, a scientist, once his work is published in a journal, will release the raw data so other scientists can either repeat the experiment, which is part of the scientific method, or perhaps take the information and try and go further with it.

So we finally got the raw data and we can understand why they didn't want to release it.

It showed that the sample site, and there was only one sample taken, which is already bad science, it showed that that sample was inhomogeneous, meaning it was a strip that was cut, and there was one date at one end, and hundreds of years later at the other end of that strip.

So there was nowhere on that strip that we can claim gave us the date for anywhere else on that cloth.

And they never took a control sample from anywhere else.

So the radiocarbon dating.

So wait, wait, wait.

Wait, I want to make sure I understand this.

So this was like a repair made later on the cloth?

Correct.

Yep, there's evidence in that corner where the sample was taken that there's cotton interwoven.

And you know, that goes against Jewish law.

It's called mixing of the kinds.

And you're not supposed to mix wool with cotton or cotton with the linen.

A burial shroud of someone of high stature is supposed to be pure linen.

And yet we found cotton in the corner that was ultimately radiocarbon dated.

And that implied that there was a repair or re-weaving done in that corner.

And so they dated a repaired corner of the shroud, which could not give us an accurate date for anywhere else on that cloth.

Okay, let me take a quick break and then come back with you.

I want want to ask you, how do we know that there wasn't carbon in the rest of it if we didn't take another sample of the shroud?

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So we're talking to

Barry Schwartz, and he is the Shroud of Turin Research Project Official Documenting photographer.

He's also the Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association president.

And he has started Shroud.com.

First, let's go back to there's cotton, and it should have been pure linen.

And this is from a strip that looks like it was a repair for, you know, maybe done at a later date.

And that explains the carbon dating, you say.

But how do you know that there isn't cotton through the rest of the fiber if you didn't test the rest of the fiber?

Well, during our examination five days and nights in 78,

we carefully examined, you know, the shroud's almost 15 feet long.

So while one scientist group was working at one side of the shroud or one end of the shroud, other researchers were evaluating other parts of the cloth.

And Ray Rogers, our lead chemist from Los Alamos National Lab, probably spent more time in front front of that cloth than all the rest of us put together with a microscope examining fibers from every part of that cloth.

And we found no cotton anywhere else in that cloth, particularly interwoven.

We were wearing white cotton gloves, and some of the white cotton from our gloves got onto the cloth.

But that's modern cotton and distinguishable from ancient cotton.

So, why would the British Museum do this?

Well, you know, Glenn, I it's hard for me to speak to this, but I will say this, that as soon as the results were leaked, even before their paper was published claiming the Shroud was medieval,

the British Museum, or rather the Oxford Laboratory, one of the three labs that examined the Shroud, received a million pounds sterling from anonymous donors for debunking the Shroud.

And Dr.

Michael Tite of the British Museum left the British Museum and took a permanent chair at Oxford with some of that money.

So I hate to say follow the money, but perhaps that had some influence.

Okay, so you were a skeptic.

You didn't believe in it.

You're Jewish.

You didn't feel emotional when you first approached the shroud, which I would think I would.

Even if it isn't real, it is so inspiring.

And, you know, if somebody did it,

it's a miracle they did it.

We don't know, understand how they did it.

Right.

Well, look, how do you feel?

Go ahead.

I think we all had reverence for the subject matter.

We all appreciated the fact that not only was this an object of scientific research, but it was also an object of faith for a billion or so people.

So we all had great respect for it.

And so although I didn't have the same emotional response that perhaps some of my Christian fellow team members might have had, we all treated it with the highest respect and regard and

acted professionally throughout.

Sure.

Now, how do you feel now?

Well, it took 17 years after we finished, and I had access, of course, to all of the scientific research.

And after about 17 years, all of the questions that I had that had been unanswered became answered, and I had to resign myself to the fact that the most plausible explanation for this was that this is the burial shroud of the historic Jesus of Nazareth.

You know, you don't have to be a Christian to accept the historicity of Jesus and to accept that we might have an artifact of that man's life considering the impact he's had on this planet.

That is quite a statement.

All right, so

let me take another break, and I want to come back and just ask you,

why would you say it is

the man from Nazareth?

Still, how would it have been made?

And was there any sign of blood or anything else on that shroud?

More from Barry Schwartz in just a second.

We're talking about the Shroud of Turin.

You can visit his website at shroud.com, get all of the information about the Shroud.

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We're talking to Barry Schwartz.

He is the official documenting photographer for the Shroud of Turin Research Project.

He was a member of the team that completed the first extensive scientific examination of the Shroud of Turin in 1978.

He spent 120 hours with the Shroud.

He's an Orthodox Jew who believes that the man Jesus was truly wrapped in the Shroud of Turin.

And he did that and came to that conclusion 27 years after

he examined the Shroud because he finally got some answers.

Barry,

was there any blood on the Shroud?

Yes, Glenn, actually,

we definitely should address the stains that are on the cloth.

There are forensically accurate blood stains from a spear wound, from crucifixion wounds in the hands hands and in the feet.

The body is heavily scourged both in the back and in the front, far more accurate than Christian depictions of Jesus' scourging.

And there are bloodstains on the head from a cap or crown of thorns.

People often ask me, why do you think it's Jesus?

Well, the Romans crucified lots of people, and they probably stuck a spear into a lot of them as well.

But only one man in recorded history that we know of, who proclaimed himself the king of the Jews, was crowned to humiliate him with a nasty thorn bush on his head.

And we have bloodstains on his scalp and head from the crown of thorns.

So, if you take all the facts, people often ask me what convinced me, and the answer is all of the above.

There is so much evidence pointing in favor of this being an artifact of the historical Jesus that it took me all those years, but ultimately I came to accept that we have an artifact of that man and what was done to him at that point in his life.

So when you did the study and you found the blood,

but then you found nothing on the cloth that provided the image,

what do you think?

Well, here's an interesting thing.

What do you think that might have been?

Sure.

But here's an interesting thing.

Wherever there's blood on the shroud, there's no image.

That implies that the blood got onto the cloth by direct contact with the body before the image was formed, because there's no image under the bloodstains.

So

what I think is that we have

an artifact.

Think about this.

When the tomb was found empty and the cloth was found, they couldn't very well come running out of the tomb and saying, look what we found, because it violates several Jewish laws.

It contains blood and must be buried with the body.

And of course, it contained an image, which is forbidden to this day by both Jews and Muslims alike.

So they had to hide it and otherwise iconoclasts would have come and probably destroyed it and anybody who had it in their possession.

Wow.

So I've always looked at the shroud as

a photo negative.

It's almost like at the time of resurrection it's like a burst of light and that

burned that image into that cloth.

How do you explain the image?

Well, you know, if I could answer that question, Glenn, I'd be way ahead of the game by now.

The question is, that remains the question.

How did this image get there?

You know, with all the science that's been performed on it, and I have to remind everyone, only one set of scientific tests have ever been performed on the shroud.

Since our work in 1978, 45 years ago, no one else has ever been given permission to examine it.

So

our science forms the database of peer-reviewed science documenting specifically what's on that cloth.

And

sadly, after all this time, we couldn't answer that one question, how is the image formed?

It still remains a mystery.

So what were the questions that you had that made you

that you said I had to answer and now I've got all of the answers?

What were those questions that were out there?

The main question was, you know, was this some form of artwork or painting?

And so certainly we had with us the spectral characteristics of every paint and pigment known to man from medieval to modern times, so that we had that as a database for comparison to what we found on the shroud.

And there's no paint or pigment anywhere on that cloth.

So we were able to eliminate it being an artwork or at least created that way.

One of the other

ideas was that it might have been a scorch caused by somebody said heating a statue and laying the shroud onto it.

Well, one of our tests, ultraviolet fluorescence photography, showed all the actual scorches.

There are burns and scorches on the shroud from a fire in 1532.

And all the actual scorches from a high temperature event all fluoresced in the in the red on our fluorescence photography.

And the image did not fluoresce at all, so it was not the product of a high high-temperature event.

So, we were able to eliminate scorching.

And photographically, if it were made photographically, there would be silver all over the cloth, because that's the light-sensitive material that would have been used.

We found zero silver anywhere on the cloth, and we're able to eliminate photography as well.

So, even though it has one property, like a photographic negative, the lights and darks are inverted from what we're used to seeing.

That's about the only characteristics of the shrouds image that's like a photograph.

There's depth information encoded into the density of the image, and this is where it gets a little complicated, but that depth information yields a topographical shape of a human form.

Normal photography doesn't do that.

So we've eliminated all those, and we're still left with the mystery of how was this image formed.

Are there any other

Barry?

Do you know of any other instance where a

burial shroud has had images burned into it?

Well, the problem with that question is that historically burial shrouds wrap a body.

Both of them deep, they're both made organically.

They both decompose over time.

So finding intact burial shrouds is very rare indeed.

In fact, I'm not aware of any intact burial shrouds other than this one.

And that indicates it was separated from the body at some point in time after about 30 to 36 hours.

And is there DNA on it?

Well, there's a lot of DNA on it, including my own.

In 1978, we didn't know about DNA, and we all handled it and touched it and breathed on it and leaned over it.

So there's lots of DNA on it, which eliminates DNA as a viable test because of the contamination.

So

you are Jewish.

You

believe this was from the man

named Jesus.

If you approach this today,

and I know you approached it with reverence for what it is,

does it carry any God meaning to you?

Well, you know,

from my point of view,

I think that

Christians who look at it, many believe this is a product of the resurrection, a result from the resurrection event.

You know, I always tell people that's science has to stay within the observable and the measurable.

Faith has no boundaries.

So people of faith can look at this and believe this is the product of the resurrection.

And from a scientific point of view, that's not a theory that we can test.

Nobody knows the mechanism of resurrection.

You can't use one unknown to prove another unknown.

So I always tell people, look, what does your heart tell you?

Follow your faith.

Jesus himself said that the kingdom of God is within us.

So I just tell people, look, the answer to faith isn't on the cloth.

It's in the eyes and hearts of those who look upon it.

And I think that's where you have to be.

You know, that for those to whom this is important, it's there as a symbol of their faith.

And for those who want to walk away from it, and I've met many people who just shrug and walk away, that's up to them as well.

The answer to faith is within each of us, and we each have to find that space for for ourselves.

And you but you say this was the man Jesus of Nazareth, and that is just because of the markings on it?

Yeah, I don't know of anyone else that suffered the very specific set of tortures that are well documented in the New Testament that were

performed on Jesus.

And this forensically accurately documents all of those wounds exactly as described in the Gospels.

Yeah, it's fascinating talking to you, Barry.

I was just over in

Europe, and I said to my wife,

I so want to go see the Shroud of Turin.

And I wasn't sure what it was.

I actually

kind of believed the carbon dating stuff that it probably was not, but I've looked at it as a miraculous piece of art that we just don't understand.

Well, Glenn, there are now at least five peer-reviewed scientific papers in the scientific literature disputing the radiocarbon dating, including the last one that came out based on the raw data that we finally got our hands on.

And it shows that they were sort of cooking the data and eliminated a lot of their tests because if they had kept them, they couldn't have reached the 95% certainty that they claimed.

So

I don't believe that the radiocarbon dating was valid, and I think there's a

massive amount of scientific evidence that proves that.

So I think that we have to start again, and perhaps in the future they'll allow another set of tests and perhaps perform a radiocarbon dating that is more

accurate than the one that they used in 1988 that claimed the Shroud was a medieval fake.

You can see all of the evidence and everything else at shroud.com.

You see some of the pictures of everything that happened.

Barry Schwartz is his name, the Shroud of Turin Research Project Official Documenting Photographer and Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association president.

Thank you so much, Barry.

God bless.

My pleasure, and God bless you and yours.

Yeah.

Wow.

What do you think, Pat?

Really interesting.

I don't know what to think about the Shroud.

I haven't studied it that carefully, but that's

what he said is fascinating.

I had no idea about the wound marks in his side.

Had you heard that before?

Oh, yeah.

Wow, that's,

I, I know, I was raised Catholic, so I know the Shroud of Turin, uh, and I've always been fascinated by it.

I didn't know that there was actual blood on it, yeah, I didn't mean to.

Uh, that there's no image under the blood, which is very strange, and uh, and you know, didn't know that uh, the carbon dating was wrong, which is very fascinating.

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Here we are at the precipice of a weekend, and it feels good, doesn't it?

Feels good

despite all of the madness happening in the world.

By the way, speaking of the madness happening in the world, people still stepping up.

And we interviewed Joe the Plumber maybe an hour ago or so and he's he's he's got stage three pancreatic cancer and in just what an hour and change this audience has stepped up big time and now there's

$63,000 total so far so that's another I don't know it was 45,000 now we're at 63 so that's over 15,000 more so 30,000 plus

just since the end of the interview from you.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

A really

awkward moment happened with South Carolina's Nancy Mace, U.S.

Representative from South Carolina.

She was at the prayer breakfast that they hold every year.

And

she had something very interesting to tell the people who were gathered at the prayer breakfast yesterday.

Check this out.

If you believe we have crashed craft, stated earlier, do we have the bodies bodies of the pilots who piloted?

If you believe we have crashed crafted craft, that's not the prayer breakfast.

It's

another standing room only eventually.

And when I woke up this morning at seven, I was getting picked up at 7:45.

Patrick, my fiancé, tried to pull me by my waist over this morning in bed, and I was like, no, baby, we don't got time for that this morning.

I got to get to the prayer breakfast

and I got to be on time.

And a little TMI.

But

he's I'll see him later tonight.

But I was here early.

At the prayer breakfast,

she's announcing to everybody that she turned down the sex with the person she's not quite married to quite yet.

But she promises, yeah, later on.

Don't worry about it.

When I get home tonight, it's on.

Like Donkey Kong.

So that was great.

Just a tad inappropriate.

Maybe some of those things you just keep in your inside voice from now on.

Nancy, just a quick suggestion.

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