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I have to tell you, it was a very confusing weekend in the United Kingdom.

Could we just play cut one here?

These are the

climate activists

laying down on the ground in front of the gay pride parade.

And so the client activists were spread out because they were, quote-unquote, dead because of the climate.

And the gay pride people couldn't get through.

And

so they're screaming, you know, LGBTQ

things.

And the others are screaming, just stop oil.

And quite honestly,

I thought it was great.

I thought it was great.

Intersectionality is what I think you would call that.

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You know, Stu, in the Bible, there is the story of Cain and Abel.

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You know,

vegetarian stuff.

And what did God do?

He rejected it.

He rejected it because he was like, look, I made the vegetables.

They're gross.

I don't even like them.

No.

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So we are

here we are at the beginning of July and I thought I would announce the theme for the month because I think we do that now.

We have themes.

You know last month was Pride Month and everybody was very prideful.

And

I was sitting in church yesterday and I was reading and I was reading about Pride.

And

I don't think they meant like the gay pride parade, but I don't know.

Maybe they did.

But,

you know, the whole pride goeth before the fall thing.

Not sure what that means, but I don't think

it means anything good.

And I was, so I was reading the part where, you know, God is like, hey, don't be a prideful people.

Don't be a pride.

And I'm thinking, hey, Pride Month.

That's, hmm.

Wow, that's kind of

glad they don't mean it that way.

So I thought,

you know, July is Independence Month, right?

I mean, it's the Declaration of Independence.

Tomorrow is

the celebration of our independence as a nation.

And I'm pretty proud of our country, but I don't want to be prideful.

So I thought we should follow up Pride Month with Humility Month,

where we can all be humble.

We're very proud of our country, but we're humble because we know we've made mistakes too.

So we can be proud, yet humble.

And

I just think it would be...

I mean, they have a month of pride.

We should have a month of humility.

And I just think that would be...

I've already made the t-shirts.

They're very nice.

It's a red, white, and blue rainbow.

So

it's what?

Something tells me this is not going to take off like Pride Month.

What do you mean?

Well, no, they won't take off the t-shirts like they do in Pride Month.

I mean, you do think, maybe you stop and you pause for a moment and say, should we name a month after one of the seven deadly sins?

I don't know.

Yeah, and I think there's more than the one of the seven deadly in that month.

Yeah, because

I was trying to think, I think you could go through all the months and start naming them after the seven deadly sins.

But if you come to pride

and

you get to lust and you think you should probably, I mean, we're talking about what we're doing with our genitals all the time during Pride Month.

So lust month and pride month probably should both be June.

So I think if you combine them, you can call it

six months out of the year.

If you call it

Thrust Month,

instead of Pride, instead of Lust, call it Thrust Month.

And you get both of them in there at the same time.

And it still strangely works.

It doesn't make you feel good about the world, but it works.

It works really, really well.

No, it does work.

And that way, maybe

we could still get Envy Month.

I like that one.

Yep.

Or Gluttony.

Gluttony is going to be a monthly.

Gluttony is November.

It's November.

Yep.

Yep.

Gluttony's got to be November,

I think for sure.

February could be Envy Month because it doesn't have as many days as the others and it's jealous of how many days.

It could be.

It could be that.

What are the other ones out there, Glenn?

I mean, I'm no scholar here.

I don't know.

It's Pride.

Yeah, I'm trying to do that.

Envy.

Is it bad that I'm thinking of the Brad Pitt movie to try to put this together?

I really should have more institutional knowledge.

I just know there was one of them that was killed in the kitchen.

And he was fat.

But I think we already have that one.

We got that one.

Wrath?

Yeah.

So wrath is another.

Wrath.

Yep.

Wrath.

I don't know what wrath

means exactly.

Stu, you're acting very wrath.

I mean, what?

Wrathful?

Let me tell you something.

It's hatred.

It's wrath month.

Is what?

Anger, rage, and hatred.

That's your wrath.

Wrath seems so biblical, though.

We're talking the seven deadly sins.

Can't we mainstream them a little bit?

Nobody is like, man, I woke up this morning on the wrong side of the bed and I am full of wrath.

That's true.

That's true.

I will say.

And so I went out and I smote my neighbor.

I smote.

Smoted.

I smited.

I smote.

A greed should be April because because that's tax month.

That's when the government comes and takes all your money.

I like that.

So greed.

I like that.

I really,

this is a good way to go.

What could possibly go?

I think it is.

We could create a society that names all of its months after the seven deadly sins.

Is there anything?

I don't think there's a problem.

What could go wrong?

You will not give me Humility Month, will you?

I mean, look, I'm serious about it.

I am serious about it.

I think we should have Humility Month after Pride Month.

And because

that is the difference.

If in America we were humble, we would be grateful,

and our problems would pretty much go away.

All we have to do is be humble and grateful, and things will really kind of work out.

We need to focus less on pride in all ways.

And I don't mean just, you know, the LGBTQ2 plus IA pride.

I mean all pride.

And be humble.

I am declaring July Humility Month.

I really like that because I do think that we could use a dose of that in this country from time to time.

Maybe a little too much pride over things you shouldn't have pride for.

Not even speaking about whatever you want to put your genitals this week, but I mean, anything.

There's so many people.

Yeah, I mean, examples.

I mean, you could, I mean, I'm so proud of our military.

We're the strongest military.

We can kill people faster than ever before.

I don't know.

I mean, I have pride that our military, well, our military had honor, you know, and was very professional and not political and all those.

I can be proud of the men and women who are serving in it, but I, you know, I don't, you know, I'm not sure that it should make us proud when we, when we see a fighter that just cost us, you know, $25 billion fly fly over our heads.

Wow.

I am proud.

Yeah, I mean,

I could see what you're saying there.

I mean, I was thinking more of just like the

personal,

you know, everyone's so proud of themselves and all the things that they do, and they're always bragging about it online.

And, you know, like I just, that whole world is just destructive.

I know.

Humility Month might go away to kill it, which would be good.

You know what might be good is if

we elected Simon Cowell as president.

I don't know.

Because he could just every day, he could give a speech and be like, you know, you're really not all that.

Yeah.

I mean, you're not.

I mean, I know you guys think you're really good, but not really.

No, not really.

Nobody's keeping you down.

Somebody should tell you you suck because you're never going to make it.

You're not going to make it.

At least that would even it out a little bit.

I don't know if that's the right message, but I think we need a dose of that in our recipe, right?

Like you need a dash at the top of the Simon Cowell that would at least bring you back because everybody's like trying to tell you you're perfect all the time.

And you know what?

Right.

You're not.

I've seen you.

You're not.

You're not.

You know, I unfortunately,

your fault is very revealing and it's not, it's just not nice.

You don't look good.

And

maybe every decision you make isn't perfect.

And maybe you're not the smartest.

And maybe every single opinion you hold could actually be informed by some factual

again.

A dash of fact at the top of that recipe

might be good to finish it.

You're going wrath.

I mean,

you're wrath in wrath territory.

We're in wrath month.

Hey, I want to talk to you also about something.

On 4th of July,

I'm taking the day off.

I'm taking the day off to honor our nation.

And also to eat hot dogs and see fireworks and stuff.

But

so tomorrow I'm taking the day off.

But on Wednesday, I'm going to take you through the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

I've been reading it the last few days, and it's some pretty good stuff, Stu.

Pretty good stuff.

We should read it from time to time.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

It's a little underrated right now.

Yeah, it's a little underrated.

You know, the average Constitution lasts 17 years, and ours is what, at

almost 250?

I mean,

it's pretty good.

It's pretty good.

We should read it.

So we're going to spend some time on that.

Today, I just, I want to spend some time on

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Then we're going to go to France.

We have Ezra Levant, who is in Paris right now and watching what's happening there.

It is insane what's going on there.

Then we have great historian on to tell us about Abraham Lincoln.

Kind of the dark stuff of Abraham Lincoln.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

He may have had hands big enough to play the piano quite well, but he never did, never took it up.

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You know, I was um

I was reading some stuff uh

last night uh about American history and watching some YouTube videos, and it was just pissing me off because they just got

so much wrong.

And

they're talking about the first draft of the Declaration of Independence and how Thomas Jefferson had written this paragraph about wanting to get rid of slavery.

They didn't quote the paragraph, they just said it.

And then they came out and they said, and Congress voted against because they didn't want any mention of slavery in that document at all.

That is not true.

And I am so sick and tired of hearing the lies that, for instance, African Americans had nothing to do with our founding.

Let me just tell you the story of the Revolutionary War just by highlighting the black patriots.

So,

what happens first?

What is the first battle, really, for America's independence?

It's the Boston Massacre, the shot heard around the world.

That happened in 1770.

Who was the first guy that was killed?

The first guy that is killed in the Boston Massacre?

This one, everyone should know.

Maybe not.

Maybe they don't teach it anymore.

But Crispus Addicts.

He was the first to fall.

He was the first

man to lose his life in the cause cause of American independence.

So it begins with the fall of a black man.

I don't know the white guy who fell second.

The first guy was Christmas Addicts.

Then you go forward a little bit, and it's 1775, and we all know about Paul Revere.

Paul Revere, William Dawes, they went towards Lexington from Boston on April 18, 1775.

But did you know about Wentworth Cheswell?

He headed north doing exactly the same things.

He was friends with Paul Revere

and he headed north saying the British is coming, the British is coming.

This guy is amazing.

He was born on April 11th, 1746, but his grandfather was the first Cheswell in New England and he was an enslaved laborer in New Hampshire.

He bought his own freedom and then in 1770 he purchased 20 acres of land

and it became part of the town of Newmarket.

He was the first known black landowner in New Hampshire.

He marries a woman and together they have one child named Hope Still Cheswell.

He becomes a successful house builder and carpenter.

He helps build the Bell Tavern in Portsmouth.

He builds the home for John Paul Jones, the Samuel Langdon house, and he then takes his money from his earnings and he buys over a hundred acres which he farmed.

He also was a part owner of a sawmill.

So then he gets married and has a kid and that kid is Wentworth Cheswell.

He goes to school.

Remember, he's a black man.

He goes to school.

He's well educated because his father owns land and has a lot of money, so he sends him to a really good school.

He graduates.

He purchases his first plot of land from his dad.

Then he acquires another 30 acres of land.

He owns a pew in the church, and he married his longtime girlfriend, and they had 13 children.

By 1770, his estate had grown to 114 acres.

Now 1768, he's 22.

And at 22, he was elected as the town constable.

First known black man to hold public office in the Americas.

And he was the justice of the peace.

He was the auditor, selectman, the notary, the assessor, the coroner, the town moderator.

And he also was the guy to deliver messages by ringing the bell at night and doing exactly what Paul Revere did.

So he's the guy who rides for Paul Revere.

Also,

he is so well respected, many people call him a black founder.

I categorize people who actually signed or

wrote the Declaration as the founders, but many people say he is a founder because he was so important.

In fact, Benjamin Franklin, as they were doing the Declaration, Cheswell was asked to write the new state constitution.

So you have him.

Then you have the most important battle of the American Revolution, the Battle of Bunker Hill.

Peter Salem is there.

He's a black man.

He is a free slave.

He's fighting for America.

As everybody in the American troops were retreating because we were getting creamed, the British are coming on top of us and they're about to knock our army out completely.

And Peter Salem stands up and he realizes: if I shoot the commander, it'll give us enough time to get away.

So all the white people are running.

He stands, fires a shot,

and

wounds and kills the commander.

They take a pause to study that for a second, and we escape to fight another day.

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

I want to quote Teddy Roosevelt before we go to

France.

Teddy Roosevelt said, There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.

When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I don't refer to naturalized Americans.

Some are the very best Americans I've ever known, and they were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad, but hyphenated American is not an American at all.

The one absolutely certain,

intricate knot

of German Americans, Irish Americans, English Americans, French Americans, Scandinavian Americans, Italian Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with other citizens of the American Republic.

There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American.

Only, the only man

who is a good American is the man who decides to become an American and nothing else.

I think he's absolutely right, and proof of that is what is happening in France this weekend.

Ezra Levant is in France.

Now, where are you, Ezra?

Hi, Glenn.

I'm standing in Marseille, which is one of the largest cities in France.

It's on the Mediterranean coast.

It's a beautiful city, incredibly picturesque, but there are two Marseilles.

There's the beautiful French part of Marseille that you would see in a postcard, but just literally a few blocks away from the tourist center, it is what I think could be fairly called a slum with many migrants, usually from a Muslim country, particularly Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, but also Iraq, Turkey.

And it's very apart.

On those streets, you don't hear any French being spoken.

The commerce

is very different.

It's a different industry.

And there's a real separation.

And I think that the shooting of this 17-year-old North African

young man, Nahel is his name, the police

sort of was in a chase.

The police stopped him.

And they shot him.

And it was shotting.

And I have to say,

obviously, we'll see what the facts are in the end, but I don't know if he needed to be shot.

He was a 17-year-old.

They knew who he was.

He was stopped already.

That was the spark.

But that spark lit a lot of tinder that has been festering for decades and there's a real apartness it's almost apartheid except for much of it is self-imposed here's a quick thing I went along the cafes there's a lot of cafes in the tourist spots here Glenn with out-of-towners and French people and there's men and women and they're dressed as you might expect in a tropical place but you go a fee box further into the Muslim neighborhoods they still have cafes but you'll notice a difference there's no women at them It's just men.

And the odd woman you do see is wearing an abaya from head to toe.

Now, there's a law in France that you cannot cover the face with a veil.

They actually banned that.

But COVID-19 gave a lot of folks a workaround.

So you see Muslim women head to toe and then the COVID mask.

I asked a lot of these folks in my broken trench, I said,

How do you feel being a Muslim in France?

And the more assimilated ones said, we love it.

We love France.

We know there are races here and there, but it's not systemically racist.

I would say, is there racism back in Algeria?

They said, yes.

So there were some beautiful answers that were very much on point with your quote from Roosevelt.

But there were other people who said, French don't respect us.

French don't treat us equally.

But then I said, in your heart, are you a French person first?

or an Algerian first.

And most of them, without hesitating, said Algerian.

In fact, a man and his young boy came up to me, and they wanted to say a lot about Nihil, the 17-year-old kid who was killed.

And I listened to them and I said, who are you in your heart?

Are you an Algerian or are you a Frenchman?

And they were so proud to say Algerian.

And I was thinking, how can you be upset that the French don't welcome you fully as an equal Frenchman when you yourself refuse to give up?

where you were except for to come here.

I said, if France is so racist, I said to some of them, why did you come here?

And so I think both sides have some reconciling to do because you have,

and de facto,

apartheid.

But here's the thing, how that's going to end.

Demographics.

I mean, France has a declining birth rate for the ethnic French, whereas not only through continued mass immigration, but just through birthrights, the city of Marseille will go the way the city of Malmo, Sweden has gone.

It will be beautiful still.

It'll still have the gorgeous sun and the port and the yachts and the cafes, but it'll be more like a Moroccan city than a French city.

The world is changing, and it's because

I think France, and maybe America has something to say about this too, is welcoming in people who are not willing to say America is first in my heart.

You know,

I agree with Teddy Roosevelt on

immigrant Americans, naturalized Americans.

They're some of the best Americans out there.

And they're the ones who chose America.

The guy I work with, who is Scottish,

he's loved Scotland.

And he came here and

he was thinking about citizenship.

And when he went back to Scotland just recently, he said, I saw Scotland for what it really is because I now have the perspective of living in Texas and in America.

And he said, I'm American.

I am not Scottish.

I'm American.

That renews all of us.

You know,

that kind of guy comes in and he starts businesses and he starts to take advantage of the opportunities.

And that is the big difference.

I want immigrants here that are coming in and they want to be Americans.

I don't want an Italian coming in and saying, I want an Italian community and we're going to have our own rules and our own ways here.

No,

bring your culture with you, but become an American.

You know, Charles de Gaulle, the great French leader, whose name literally means Frenchman,

he was considered arrogant and he was considered many things,

and he was a

you know, France-first kind of person.

Remember, France had colonies in North Africa.

He was once asked, can a foreigner become a Frenchman?

In his blood, can you become French?

Can you join this country even if your bloodline is not French?

And he said,

yes.

He was a chauvinist.

He was arrogant.

He was France-first, but he said, yes.

If you inculcate yourself, if you breathe in the history, the culture, you must learn the language, learn the history,

learn the art.

You can become a great Frenchman.

And by the way, Emmanuel Macron, for all of his flaws, says much the same thing.

He gave a beautiful speech three years ago, right in the wake of a lot of the Black Lives Matter riots in America.

He gave a beautiful speech in France, swearing in some new French citizens, where he talked about their rights, but he went heavy on their responsibility.

You know those old French mottos, liberté, egalité, fraternité.

Emmanuel Macron said, you must follow those.

You must fight for liberty for everyone.

You must permanently struggle for liberty.

He told these immigrants, he said, you must follow fraternity.

You must be fraternal to your new French citizen colleagues.

He said, you must put the Republic first.

He said this.

Now, I do not like Emmanuel Macron at all, but it was bracing to see what he said.

Alas, his deeds don't live up to his words, and it is not happening.

And I fear for what's you know, this is one of the most beautiful cities I've ever been in, Glenn.

But there is a shadow shadow over it, and there were 1,300 people arrested in riots two nights ago.

Average age was 17, and that's the thing.

I look at the police, and I don't believe in affirmative action, but the police feel like they're an alien community.

They have no ties to the community.

There are very few minorities in the police.

They don't speak Arabic.

They have no, and half of the time they're just defending themselves or the firemen.

You know, they torture a place.

The firemen go in.

They attack the fire trucks.

The police have to go in to escort the fire trucks out.

It's almost like

you know, some of these dystopian movies like Blade Runner or something, where the police are this foreign, hated, alien, disconnected force, and they're going to lose just from pure demographics.

You know,

sorry to interrupt, but that was the that was the secret of American

police in New York.

The the Irish guy who had become an American, he was the guy who patrolled his own neighborhood.

The Italian guy, he patrolled his own neighborhood.

And so

they weren't a foreign force.

The problem with this is that, at least in New York, the New Yorkers cannot afford to live in most of those neighborhoods.

The police can't.

So they are a foreign, you know, they're not part of the community anymore.

And you can't have have people who swear allegiance first to Algeria

being the cop for France.

Well, that's the thing.

Does your oath mean something?

And by the way, one of the answers I got was, I said, are you Algerian first or are you French first?

He said, Allah first, and I believe in the ummah.

And you know what?

In some ways, that's like a Christian who would say, I put Jesus first.

And I respect that.

But as the Bible says, render unto Caesar what's Caesar.

So yes, in your heart, your conscience, your morality, if you want to put Allah first, I get it.

Because if a Christian said, I put Jesus first, I would respect that.

I wouldn't say you're a bad American, but in matters secular, in matters of civil law and order, in matters of police and learning the language, you have to put Caesar first, or in this case, put the Republic first.

And isn't that what an ummah

means, the opposite of that?

Doesn't an ummah in

kind of suggest a

caliphate kind of

a global government of sorts.

And, you know, by the way, he later ran out

and demanded.

Yes, that's right.

It's very different.

So, listen, this is a beautiful city, but terrible things are happening, and it's spreading, it's spreading to Belgium, it's spreading to Switzerland.

Why is that?

It's an ethnic solidarity.

And I think that massive, unabsorbed, unintegrated immigration, in this case from Islam, is going to be a problem no matter what.

De Gaulle insisted on absorption, assimilation, integration.

He said, yes, you can become French.

I asked some of these guys, could you ever, I said, Barack Obama became a black president.

Rishi Sunak is a South Asian prime minister of the UK.

I said, could you imagine a Muslim president of France?

And most of them said no.

And maybe that's a problem too.

If you can't imagine yourself having full access to the corridors of business and political and cultural life, I guess you do get a wise yourself.

But it's a two-sided problem, Gwen.

I don't know.

It's very sad.

I came here

not knowing what to expect, and I leave with a feeling of fatalism that between demographics, open border immigration, and political correctness, all of these trends will get worse over time, not better.

And I think that there's a whole new level of violence we saw this last week.

Listen, there's always riots in France.

It's a national pastime.

But this felt especially

ethnic in its character.

Well, I will tell you, the Norwegian countries are facing the same.

I was just over in

I love those French police cars.

They sound like toys.

But I was just over in England and Scotland and Ireland.

Ireland is almost entirely gone because of the rapid

immigration without assimilation.

It is the world.

The world and Europe is completely changing and won't be the same in 20 years.

Thank you so much, Ezra.

Have a safe trip back to Canada.

We thank you for everything that you guys do up in.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

You bet.

Thank you, Glenn.

By the way.

You bet.

All right.

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He is

a great, great writer.

He has written many books, The Faith of Barack Obama.

He was

also The Faith of George W.

Bush.

He's written biographies of Booker T.

Washington, George Whitfield, Winston Churchill, Pope Benedict,

Abraham Lincoln.

And he also wrote the book Killing Jesus.

Publishers Weekly describes his book, Killing Jesus, as masterful.

I think it's genius.

I haven't even read it but it's the same name as bill o'reilly's book and i know stephen's book has got to be better so it makes me happy uh stephen manfield welcome to the program how are you sir good morning sir how are you and don't get me in trouble with bill now

um i want to talk to you about several people that you have written about, but let's start with, seeing that we're, you know, on the doorstep of 4th of July and independence day tomorrow uh let's let's spend some time with uh lincoln because

uh

lincoln is a fascinating guy before he starts running for office he's kind of a dark dude he had a really tough childhood and then he goes kind of off the wagon a bit

Lincoln was a very unusual character, and I think it's why he's one of the most beloved in our history.

And what people often don't know is that he suffered horrible depression growing up.

And this was largely due to the deaths that he endured in his life, as you allude to.

He lost his mother when he was nine.

He lost his sister

when he was 19.

Famously, he lost the first love of his life, Anne Rutledge, when he was in his early 20s.

And then, of course, throughout his life, he would lose two sons and then have to endure all the over 700,000 deaths of the Civil War.

So friends said that he dripped melancholy while he walked.

They often had to stand suicide watch.

He missed his first wedding date because he was considering suicide.

So

very dark figure, very sad, beset by depression.

And

this affected everything from his faith to his understanding of the Civil War.

So yes, he's a very, very complicated character.

Now, is it true, Stephen, in your research that

Lincoln really, his father was a horrible guy and alcoholic and a Christian, and

Lincoln rejected Christianity at first when he first kind of goes out on his own because

of what he thought a Christian was due to his father?

And he apparently

was not a moral character at first.

Lincoln.

Well, he was a kind of character, the father was a kind of character that we are familiar with from literature and history, very religious, very sentimentally, emotionally religious, and yet brutal to his son.

One of the best stories I can tell to describe this is that when Lincoln was president, he once spoke to a room full of ex-slaves and quite literally said that he knew what slavery was because he had been

used like a slave.

And he was referring to his first 20 years, 21 years of life when he was under his father's dominion.

And of course, the people in the room kind of looked askance at each other like, well, Abraham Lincoln was never a slave, but that's how he spoke of it because that's how oppressed he felt himself to be.

And yes, you're right.

When he left his father's home at the age of 21, he owed his father his labor before then.

He went and thoroughly rejected Christianity, read a lot of the rationalistic writers, Paine and others, fell in with a lot of religious skeptics in New Salem, and

actually carried a Bible around town just to argue with people about it.

So, yes, he was the village atheist for a lot of years.

And he also was very promiscuous, but freaked out because he thought he was going to get some venereal disease.

Is that true?

Exactly true.

He fought in a war called the Black Hawk War, and he apparently had some time with prostitutes and later, yes, worried that he had problems, and maybe even his depression was related to various kinds of venereal diseases.

So, yes, very immoral.

He never gave himself much to drink.

He tried drink for a while and really lost control.

But, yes, immoral, atheist, angry.

We know the type, and that's what Abraham Lincoln was for a good number of years.

And what was the turning point in his life?

The turning point probably

came gradually as he began to know

ministers who were better than the ones he had known in his early life, began to, we all know that he became a state legislator and began to live in Springfield, moving from a town called New Salem.

And when he got there, he fell in with a bunch with Christians who were articulate, who were learned, who were well-read.

They weren't just the teary-eyed sentimentalists,

emotionally imbalanced, kind of like his father was.

And so

he came among, you know, the simple way way to say it is a better class of Christians.

The turning point really came when he met a Presbyterian minister named James Smith.

This is a little later in his life now.

He was a congressman.

His

father-in-law had died, and he was taking care of the estate.

He pulled a book down in his father-in-law's house written by this Presbyterian minister, James Smith, kind of a cross between Billy Graham and Daniel Boone.

But the man could really write, and he made a lawyer's case for Christianity, which, of course, Lincoln as a lawyer respected.

And that really began to turn things.

And then, of course,

a progression began that carried him all the way through the White House years.

So he did say, though,

I wasn't a Christian

when I got married.

I think he said, I wasn't a Christian when I lost my son,

but I became a Christian at Gettysburg.

Do I have that right?

That is a quote that is out there.

It's hard to verify.

There's no question he had a deepening when he stood at Gettysburg.

Scholars tend to discredit that quote.

It's sort of the same thing with all famous men who spoke well, Churchill, others.

Did he say it or didn't he?

Scholars tend to discredit that.

But I don't think there's any question that Lincoln had a profound experience when he looked out on the graves at Gettysburg,

and he alluded to it often to visitors at the White House.

But the thing that really deepened his faith, the things that really changed things were the deaths of his boys.

Imagine that he lost two boys and lost them, by the way, to horrible diseases that lingered a long time.

And this just sent Lincoln, already a depressive, right to the edge of sanity, really.

And of course, famously, Mrs.

Lincoln was known for her just loud,

extreme bouts of grief.

She would fill the house, later the White House, with howls.

The servants would describe them like the howls of wounded animals.

And so it wasn't just Lincoln's grief that he had to deal with.

It was the grief of his wife that would go on for weeks and be terrible.

He finally took her to a window one time and pointed at a mental institution in D.C.

and said, Mother, if you don't get control of yourself, we'll have to put you there.

And that got her to tame herself a little bit.

But Lincoln dealt with agonizing deaths his whole life.

And he said once famously that he was haunted by the sound of

rain falling on graves.

Well, he had so many graves in his life that he would visit, and of course had to attend funerals of people he loved.

So all of this,

though it sounds dark, is what caused him to search.

And it was at those moments that James Smith, this Presbyterian minister at First Presbyterian in Springfield, stepped into his life and gave a, as the scriptures say, a reason for the hope that lies within Christians, a rational explanation.

And Lincoln bought it.

And I think that was, those times were the turnings for him.

You know, you say that

the way you describe him while he's in the White House and her, I can't imagine that a president would have been able to remain the president today

just with the media and everything else.

I mean, that's disturbing.

It's, I mean, you know, close to insanity.

Absolutely.

When he lost Willie,

named for William Wallace, by the way,

as a young boy in the White House,

Lincoln would close his office and sit in the dark all day, every Thursday.

So he would grieve sitting in the dark.

Now, imagine that a modern president turns out the lights, closes the West Wing

or the Oval Office, and sits in the dark, just in a depressive grief all day long.

People, of course, would question his sanity.

But this is what Lincoln did for quite some time until finally a fairly famous minister made an appointment with him and said, sir, what you're doing is not right.

Don't you know that if you believe on Jesus Christ, you will go, though your son cannot come to you, you will go to him.

And this was a massive turning point in Lincoln's life.

And he stopped those Thursday darkness

sessions and he began to search the scriptures more thoroughly and buy copies of this minister's sermons.

And so, again, Lincoln is on a journey.

There's a progression.

You don't have one moment of a full turning, but you definitely have a leaving of the atheist years and a deepening, a constant deepening, largely inspired by his recovery from grief and from the deaths of those he loved.

When he was

president,

they say he didn't care about slavery.

I don't believe that to be true.

And

it's my understanding that he had a relationship somewhat with John Quincy Adams, who kind of passed the torch to him on anti-slavery.

Is that true?

It is.

It is.

They did know each other.

They did correspond in the early years.

And it's folly, of course, to say that he didn't care about slavery.

I mean, not only do we know about his famous trip to New Orleans, where he said, if I ever get a chance to hit this thing, speaking of slavery, I will.

Also, when he was a congressman for a very short period of time, only about 12, 14 months, he proposed a bill that would have outlawed slavery in D.C.

He proposed the same kind of bill in Springfield back in back in Illinois.

So the idea,

and by the way, we have some of the most fascinating writings we have from Lincoln are where he's sitting alone at night in his office, and he's sort of wrestling with God, wrestling with his conscience.

What does Providence want?

God can't be a for the same thing and against it at the same time.

He would wrestle with his conscience on

scraps of paper.

And fortunately, when he died, his secretaries kept those for us, and we still have them.

But to say he didn't care about slavery is silly.

Of course,

he

deeply cared about it.

And it actually was part, since we're talking about his faith, it was part of the reason that he

was troubled about the state of Christianity.

He couldn't believe that southern clergy would make a case for slavery from Scripture.

And since he identified with the slaves deeply because of his own labors,

he was troubled by all of that.

We're talking to Stephen Mansfield.

He wrote the book Lincoln's Battle with God.

He also has done biographies of a lot of other people, and we want to talk to him about that.

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the author of Lincoln's Battle with God.

Stephen,

when did the tide turn on Abraham Lincoln as far as public opinion?

I know when he was first in Baltimore on his way to the White House, you know, and there's a plot to kill him, he

really

understands how much of the country hates him.

And he's, you know, when he's

going into the war, it's not going well.

When did the tide turn for him?

When did he become

Abraham Lincoln?

Well, it's interesting that the tide never did really turn in a massive way for him during his life.

He was hated.

He was vilified.

Of course, he was hated by half the country

during a civil war.

But he wasn't all that popular in the North.

And as you've just said, you know, as he makes his journey by train into D.C., he's having to hide and even dress like a woman at one point, be covered up by his bodyguard.

I would say, frankly, that the tide really really didn't turn until his death.

Because he was victorious in the Civil War, because he was killed on a Good Friday,

people began to realize that this was our Redeemer president.

This was our liberator, the great Emancipator.

And by the way, because he did things like the Emancipation Proclamation, saying publicly that he did it out of a covenant with God.

People remembered these things when he was killed.

And I would say that it's fascinating now.

I live in D.C., as you know, and so it's fascinating to find that people, the tourists who flood by the millions into D.C., the person they most are eager to explore and most identify with D.C.

and American history is not Washington, for whom the city is named, but Lincoln.

And so the tide turned for him, I think, just shortly after his death when the words and the deeds were remembered and the legend arose.

Yeah, it's amazing after his death how he was our beloved president.

And, you know, they dragged his body all around

on the morning train and

everything else.

His death

is, to me, absolutely horrible,

the way he was treated.

I mean, the doctors, I mean, this was the medicine at the time.

The doctor comes and sticks his finger in the back of his head to try to dig the bullet out with his finger.

And I can't remember, Laura Keene, I think was her name, comes up in her white dress, brand new new white dress,

to

hold the president so she can get the bloodstains on her dress and then go on a tour making herself look like Florence Nightingale.

I mean, he was treated horribly all the way till he was dead.

No, it was horrible.

He was carried across the street from Ford's Theaters to the Peterson house.

You're exactly correct.

I mean, we were talking about a level of medicine one click up from bleeding people with leeches.

You're right.

The doctor put his pinky finger into the wound.

It was badly done.

He was ill-served at every turn.

And yeah, people already knew that he was going to be a legend, and they wanted to be associated with him.

People were cramming into the room and what have you.

But yes,

his death is part of the great lore.

He was even betrayed by the he would basically, he had married Todd Lincoln, double-dated with a young major,

Major Rathburn, and that man

betrayed him, basically, would be proved cowardly and left him to be killed, should have stepped up and fought off John Wilkes' booth.

What's interesting, I think, from the standpoint of his faith about his death is that as he was dying,

just before he was shot, he was continuing kind of a flirty conversation with his wife from earlier in the day when they had taken a carriage ride.

And they had been discussing what they would do after the war.

And he said to her, sitting right there in the booth, after the war, we'll not go back to Springfield.

We'll travel abroad.

I would really like to go to the Holy Land.

I would like to walk in the footsteps of the Savior.

Amazing.

Amazing.

And he did just a

few hours later.

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This is the Glenn Beck program.

We have Stephen Mansfield on.

He is the author of many books: Miracle of the Kurds, which was selected as a book of the year.

Also, I think we've had him on before for his book, A Manly Men, which I just love.

But he has written

biographies of Lincoln and his struggles to find God.

George Whitfield, Booker T.

Washington, Winston Churchill, Pope Benedict, Barack Obama, George W.

Bush, and Abraham Lincoln, and not the Bill O'Reilly book, Killing Jesus, but another one that I have to read.

Stephen,

I want to go through a couple of the figures that you have written about.

Can we start with Pope Benedict?

What really happened at the end with Pope Benedict?

Was this kind of a coup?

I don't believe it was a coup, but I do believe the pressures came too much.

You definitely had corruption going on at a certain level within the Vatican, and he spoke about that openly, and that was happening at a time of his declining health.

So, was it a coup?

I don't believe so, but I do believe that he was unable to control the events of the transition, and things went away he would not have preferred.

I don't think he's that happy with Pope Francis, as a lot of conservative Catholics are.

But nevertheless,

I don't think it was an open coup.

I think it just was an older man realizing he couldn't deal with what he had to deal with in the Vatican, and then having a transition go what I think he would consider it badly.

So, I have three versions of Booker T's, Booker T.

Washington's book, Up From Slavery.

And I have a first edition original.

Then I have one that came out about 15 years ago.

And the preface says, we're not sure how much of this story is true.

And I have the latest copy of Up From Slavery where it says right in the front, this book is a work of fiction.

Tell me about Booker T.

Washington.

Well,

Booker T.

Washington is one of the most controversial African-American leaders.

I love him.

I'll tell you frankly, I'm an advocate for him.

Me too.

And the reason is, of course, that he advocated industry,

labor, skills, using the marketplace, using the free enterprise system for blacks to ascend.

He certainly believed in their civil rights,

but he believed that the best way to ascend was through the vehicle of free enterprise and being people of industry.

Well, that does not play well with many contemporary African Americans.

Certainly doesn't play well with the scholarly set.

And so they vilify him, and he's disliked.

And

other scholars, other philosophers, other black writers are preferred because they're a little bit more left-leaning

and they're a little suspicious of capitalism and free enterprise.

But Booker T, I think, the founder of Tuskegee, great man, first African-American who was really super prominent and also first to dine in the White House.

He was a favorite from Teddy Roosevelt's.

I think he did amazing things for black Americans, but he is absolutely vilified, and that's why you're getting the different accounts there at the beginning of your books.

And

it was at the time when

if he would have lived a little longer,

perhaps things would have been different.

But

he was at a critical juncture, was he not, with,

was it Marcus Garvey?

No, who was it that was

kind of the

foe of Booker T.

And when Booker T died, that's when Du Bois really kind of took off, was it not?

Exactly, exactly.

He didn't live long enough, unfortunately, died early, and his enemies, in a sense, wrote his obituary.

And we've been dealing with that ever since.

But those who dive into it and get into the original sources and study the man without bias can only conclude he was a great African-American hero.

Winston Churchill, one of my favorite guys.

He is

funny.

He had a prescription for his alcoholism during Prohibition.

I think he's one of the only guys that truly understood what had to happen

after World War II.

I think

he judged Russia for what it really was.

But over in India, he was kind of a

kind of

not a good figure.

And I struggled with that, Stephen, for a while until I realized

I was asking if he was a good man or a bad man.

And I think the answer to that is yes, just as we all are.

We have a battle and we're great at some things, not good at others.

And he regretted a lot of the things that he did um because he you know came from a different generation towards the end of his life in india is that true

it is true it is true he definitely was a man of his age he loved the empire he hated seeing it decline he hated the loss of india he insultingly called gandhi a naked fakir which means beggar or you know street person and and and hindi um so he was insulting and he did have some of the racist attitudes of upper-class English at that time.

I'm not excusing him.

But hang on just a second.

But so did Gandhi.

Gandhi also

was a racist.

Gandhi.

Absolutely.

Gandhi spoke horribly of, he lived for a while in South Africa before he returned to India.

He was a lawyer, and he spoke horribly of the Africans and the blacks and didn't think they.

So, yes, if we start chucking out of our lives and out of our thought every person in history who had even lightly racist attitudes, we're going to have an empty history book because almost everyone, black, white, yellow, whatever, had these early, early attitudes.

So we should regive them, draw from their gifts, and build a new history.

But yeah,

definitely Churchill

was a mixed man.

As much as I admire him,

I'm sitting in an office with a picture of him on the wall right here.

I'd deeply admire him, but no, no question, he had his flaws.

I often think, where is the Churchill of our day?

I think he was so unique that I think he makes the other leaders at that time

really

look weak in comparison.

They were strong, but he was just a different guy.

He had vision.

He had passion.

He used humor.

My favorite story is that he's in the White House in the early days of World War II.

Congress is suspecting him of inflating what he needs in terms of help and material from the U.S.

He's taking a bath at midday in the White House, as he often did.

Roosevelt is wheeled.

Remember that he had polio wheeled into the room?

He's embarrassed that there stands a ripping, wet Churchill with a towel around him.

And Churchill seizes the moment.

He stops Roosevelt from being wheeled out of the room and says no.

And he pulls the towel off of him.

Now he's standing there wet and naked, bald as spink.

And he says, I have nothing to hide from the President of the United States.

He was making a point about the political issue, but using his own nakedness and a bath to make that point.

Boy, did that story have been like

turned the tide.

He's a great man, and we don't have many like him.

George Whitfield, a name that most people don't know,

but I contend we may not have had the American Revolution and freedom as we understand it without him.

I could not agree more.

In fact, my book is called Forgotten Founding Father.

Whitfield, of course, with Wesley, the great revivalist in England, made seven trips from the south to the north in the American colonies.

And some scholars call him the first intercolonial event.

He's the first person who really captured imaginations because

all of the colonies would have been more tied to London than to each other.

But this revival that he led tied them all together.

And he began to warn the colonists and the colonial leaders: your liberties are being, quote, spied out and they're being taken from you.

Be careful.

What's happening in parliament is going to destroy your religious liberties and this revival that's happening.

And so he warned them.

And

there's a scholar by the name of Heimert, and he developed the Heimert thesis, which is that had there been no Great Awakening, there would have been no American Revolution, as you say.

So

we owe George Whitfield, this Anglican priest, quite a bit.

And it's amazing that the

first fighters went into his crypt, opened it up, and took a bit of his black robe to pin it on their uniforms.

That's how crucial he was to many Americans.

Well, they saw him as the father of their revolution, and they wanted a little piece of his black preaching robe or his collar pinned to their uniforms, not as talismans, as though they put their trust in a piece of cloth to keep them safe, but as almost a flag, almost a flag of identity and loyalty, because he was the man who had summoned them to this valiant fight.

So how did we forget him?

You know, Glenn, I'll tell you,

he is actually buried in a broom closet in Newburyport, Massachusetts,

in the basement of a church.

Well, he is forgotten.

There are statues of him.

There are,

you know, of course, scholars remember him, but you are absolutely right.

Like Booker T.

Washington, we are embarrassed by him.

We don't want to attribute this cause of our revolution with a preacher, a revivalist, a Billy Graham type, in our popular mind.

And so we have absolutely forgotten him.

But I think that, again, I agree with the Heimer thesis.

Had there been no Great Awakening led by George Whitfield, there would have been no American Revolution.

Well, you couldn't have Thomas Paine writing common sense if they hadn't heard all of that common sense from the pulpit.

I mean, people don't understand how they don't understand how the preachers,

and I think because of this, we're in the shape we're in, preachers didn't shy away from

events of the day because they were framing it not as politics.

It was framed as these are your rights, and you need to understand that they come from God, and you better stand up for them.

That's exactly right.

I'm sure you know the phrase, the black regiment.

These were the preachers who donned military uniforms and fought in the American Revolution.

But if you go back and do what scholars often do, which is scan the colonial newspapers, you find that the preaching, the pulpits aflame with righteousness, aflame with the liberty cause, are really what inspired people to rise up.

It wasn't just politicians.

It wasn't just anger towards the king.

It was these preachers in the mold of George Whitfield.

And the way the newspapers repeated page after page of their sermons and their proclamations and their warnings.

That really is the intellectual heritage that created the American Revolution.

And by the way, the Blaze I named after George Whitfield's paper that he published called The Blaze.

One last question.

As you look through history, are you optimistic about our future?

Pessimistic or neutral?

I am optimistic, and the reason is that we have had times like these before.

They forced good people to the fore.

There were shakings, there were upheavals, there was destruction that happened during times like this.

But ultimately, long-term good emerged.

And I am a long-term optimist and believe that good things are coming and that good people are seeing the times for what they are, grieving them, but then they're rising to their best.

And that's going to change our history.

So I'm an optimist.

Good.

Glad to hear it.

Thank you so much, Stephen.

We'll talk again.

Stephen Mansfield,

you bet, a great author of many biographies.

Look him up, Stephen Mansfield.

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You know, I got to tell you,

the world is so upside down.

I don't know if you saw this, Stu, but AOC

has called for the investigating and possible impeaching of members of the Supreme Court.

She said, if Chief Justice John Roberts won't come before Congress, here's what she said.

If Chief Justice Roberts will not come before Congress for an investigation voluntarily, I believe that we should be considering subpoenas.

We should be considering investigations.

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we see members of the Supreme Court potentially breaking the law, as we saw in the refusal with Clarence Thomas to recuse himself from cases implicating implicating his wife in January 6th.

There also must be impeachment on the table.

We have a broad level of tools to deal with misconduct, overreach, and abuse of power.

And the Supreme Court has not been receiving the adequate oversight necessary in order to preserve their own legitimacy.

And in the process, they themselves have been destroying the legitimacy of the people.

They're not available to make her idiocy.

Where in the Constitution do you find oversight I mean as a constitutionalist I would have loved to been able to claim oversight when they were passing all kinds of crazy things but now they

they are demanding oversight so Congress

is the watchdog of one branch is the watchdog of the other branch I don't I no I don't think so that's not the way it works I I just a lot of people don't like AOC but I really do love the earnestness of her stupidity.

Like, there's something really charming about how hard she's trying.

Like, she really is trying to noodle these things out.

And I don't know.

It's like watching your 14-year-old give a speech about something they don't really fully understand.

It's like, it's kind of cute.

It's adorable in a very, you know, society-destroying sort of way.

And you're right.

And I'm

looking forward to see how all of this works out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's going to be fun to watch.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I I love it.

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Hello, America.

There is a movie that is opening up that you you need to see.

And I know you've already got your whole weekend planned.

You're like, I've got to see the Indiana.

I got to see the Indiana Jones movie.

I mean, my favorite, of course, everybody's favorite, say it with me, The Crystal Skull.

It's not as good as that one, but I just have to see it.

I know, change your plans.

You might want to go see The Sound of Freedom.

We'll talk to the guy it's all about, Tim Ballard, in 60 seconds.

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Mr.

Tim Bellard, how are you, sir?

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

I'm great.

I saw this movie three years ago, maybe.

Yeah.

And I'm not even sure it was locked at that point, but watched it with Jim Caviesel and you, and

I think like a Prince of Italy or something was there as well.

Yeah.

That's right, yeah.

And watched it, and this is a tremendous, tremendous movie called The Sound of Freedom.

Tell the listener about it.

So this tells the story of the launch of our rescue operation, which leads into Operation Underground Railroad, also the Nazarene Fund.

But this is the story of when we were in the government and was confronted with this dilemma of if I want to stay on the operation and rescue these children, I had to quit my job.

And what's so exciting talking to you, Glenn, is that your audience should be reminded that they paid for the operation that you're seeing depicted in the film, the whole island operation, the whole island raid, that was funded by your community.

So I've been so excited to get on the radio to say thank you to you and your community and go watch what you funded.

I mean,

that's the reality.

So tremendous.

So tremendous.

And I think there's going to be, eventually there will be a movie, maybe long after we're dead,

but there will be a movie about the operation that our audience funded in Afghanistan, too.

I mean, it's one of the greatest stories ever, as is this one.

So

what are you hoping people walk away with, Tim?

Well, I'm hoping that people open their eyes.

I'm tired of, you know, this is domestic release only this week.

And so many people in the United States say this is a problem far, far away from us, and it's not.

And this film shows you the first two arrests are right here in the United States.

The first one, the first rescue is on the border, which is so relevant today because we have how many kids being trafficked into the United States, into the highest demand country country for child sex in the world.

You know, we have our kids being targeted by this crazy ideology of

sexualizing them and all sorts of things.

So I really hope everyone can put the pieces together and realize that kids are in the crosshairs, and this is an American problem, and it requires an American solution.

So there are a couple movies that I really want to see.

I want to see Till, and it came out a long time ago, and I've wanted to see it, but every time I pass it on Netflix, I'm like, I'm not in the mood.

You know, you just don't want to be depressed.

This is a really uplifting story.

This is not, this is something you go to, and yes, it deals with some awful stuff, but you feel great leaving the theater after this.

You do.

And, you know, one reason that is, I remember talking to Jerry Mullen, who's a friend of yours as well, who won the Academy Award for Schindler's List.

And he said the one regret he had was they made that film 50 years too late because when you left the theater, there's there's nothing to do.

It's kind of depressing.

But this film, The Son of Freedom,

it's like Schindler's List had been made in 1940, right?

It's like you can leave and do something, and that's empowering.

And so I think that's why the movie begins for a lot of people as they're leaving the theater.

And that's what I think causes hope and makes people feel good.

So

when you watch this, Tim, is there any part of you that is worried that this just makes you much more famous, and OUR much more famous, and the tactics that you use more famous because you guys go in undercover and catch these guys

just being absolute dirtbags.

And honestly, I don't know.

And we've had this, we talked about this when we were in Bangkok together and we were walking down, what's that, Cowboy Street

in Bangkok.

And we were talking, and I asked you, how do you live in this world and not take it with you when you get out because it's awful the these people and you have to kind of pretend to be part of that

yeah I this this film has forced me out of all undercover work definitively and I've been doing it for 18 years and it does take its toll in fact

it's an amazing crazy process to go undercover and then come out back in it takes a lot of prayer therapy

but I'll say this this: the only tactics we've ever revealed in the film or in the documentaries are things that people are doing anyway.

We never reveal something that's kind of a telltale sign that would give us away.

You know, things that are happening anyway, parties or whatever.

So that allows us to protect our tactics while at the same time

express to the world what is happening.

Tell a little bit about this movie, this story in particular, on how you get the bad guys.

The operation that, as you said, this audience funded?

So I had been sent down as a government agent in 2012 to Columbia to consult on an operation.

It was very clear I was to stop at that point, but I didn't.

And I attached myself.

I got involved deeper than I was supposed to.

And then I was told to come home because there's no U.S.

case here.

Of course, I don't care about U.S.

case, Columbia case, human trafficking, child trafficking, knows no borders or boundaries, but the law was the law, and they said, come home.

And I said, I can't.

That's when I contacted you

and my wife.

And I didn't even know you all that well yet.

I mean, I've been to your show once.

And I thought, can I get a hold of him?

Can I convince him

to take the craziest risk?

And your attorneys are telling you not to do it.

But this was the pending operation.

And I don't know it was crazy that you did it.

It was, you put yourself out there and

we all put ourselves out there and

we went for it and it paid off and it paid off in this operation.

I don't want to do too much spoiler alert, but

it rescued over 100 kids in the span of about two hours.

And it's depicted on this big island scene

off the coast of Cartagena.

So tell me what it feels like,

and

I don't want to spoil anything in this movie, so we'll talk about other operations you've been on.

Tell me what it feels like when, because you're undercover, you're arrested with the bad guys, and here are all these women and young girls, really young girls, and you're down on the floor with your hands behind your back in cuffs, and they're looking at you like

you're a predator, and

you know you're not.

And so you never get that

you never get that thank you really from them or just even the recognition that you, I would imagine I would want to say,

I'm not one of them.

I'm not one of them.

I was really trying to help you.

How does that feel when you're there on the ground with your hands behind your back?

Yeah, it's a, it's a punch to the stomach.

I've had, um, I've had young girls and kids like even cuss at me.

I remember once spit at me as we were being taken out, like, got you, you must, you know, and I'm like, no, no,

we just are here for you.

And that's just part of it because, you know, if they know who you are, it's it's a security risk for our entire team.

But something unique happened on this operation that you know about that I'll go ahead and reveal because I think it's just so cool is

something happened on the island operation where one of the aftercare people on the Columbia side accidentally revealed that we were the good guys.

After they took the bad guys, the real bad guys, off on the boats, they left us there and and they and the and the kids started like singing and clapping and saying thank you to us and then we realized oh my goodness they know who we are and some of my operators were crying because they'd never seen this kind of interaction

between us and the kids and he said to me and it may sound cheesy but it's the truth he said it's not cheesy in the moment and the moment it's beautiful and so real but he he he said to me do you hear that sound that's the sound of freedom and when i told that story to the producer alejandro monteeverde the writer and director of Sound of Freedom, he said that's the name of the movie.

And they actually depict that scene on the island, actually depict the scene where the operator says to me those words, and it plays really well.

So it's one of the more beautiful scenes.

The writer-director of this is a genius and has done a great job and is very well known

in South America.

He's done a couple of, I think, brilliant movies here.

And this is, of course, one of them.

Jim Covezel plays you.

I mean

I wouldn't mind that happening if Jim Covezel played me but I'd get like Fatty Arbuckle to play me.

But he's a good guy and a good friend

as well.

And what did it take to get him involved?

Well, when they approached me and said, you know, I didn't think they were going to make this film because the chances were so small in my mind.

But they said, we're doing it, and who would you like to play you?

You don't get to choose, but you can, you know, request.

And right out of the gate, I said, I want Jim Coviesel.

The County Monte Cristo is one of my favorite movies for one.

But I told them, I said, look, I don't trust Hollywood.

I mean, Hollywood is the reason that I'm employed.

I mean, they create the content, that creates the demand, that creates the whole problem.

And I know one thing about Jim Coviesel, he's a phenomenal actor, and he loves Jesus.

And

if I didn't love Jesus, I couldn't do what I do.

So that's the reason.

And they said, okay, they're worried because, you know, there's a, at the end of the movie, if you remember, Glenn, it's really cool.

They do this kind of transition into real footage.

And it shows some real footage from the operation.

And they said, you got to find someone that kind of looks like you.

He's tall, dark, and handsome, and you're frankly not.

And so I said, well, I don't care.

I don't care what.

I don't care what he looks like.

You know, he loves Jesus.

And so they went with it.

And Jim signed up in like four days.

He was in.

I will tell you that tall, dark, and handsome does not come to mind when I think of you coming to my house immediately following an operation.

You'll fly in from someplace around the world and you'll stop in Dallas.

And you've done it a couple of times where you come to the door and I don't even recognize you.

And tall, dark, and handsome is definitely the opposite of how you look when you're on an operation.

That's right.

I come in pretty beat up.

So thanks for yeah for giving me a warm place to hang out

so uh there is a uh two million ticket goal um

uh and why is it why why did you set a goal for two million tickets

so before i answer that i want to announce something so cool they've already sold over 1 million i think it's about 1.1 million tickets um they sold 900 000 just over the weekend we literally beat in in the theaters where we were competing with indiana jones this weekend which was indiana jones opening weekend sound of Freedom sold more tickets than Indiana Jones.

We didn't even have a movie about.

This is really good news.

It's incredible.

The Angel Studios is just going through the roof.

I can't believe it.

But there's 2 million children forced into commercial sex yearly.

And so

to kind of commemorate that and connect it to

Independence Day, we want 2 million people in the theaters this week

celebrating the 4th of July, considering what freedom really means,

and also representing those 2 million kids.

Believe it or not, this is a really feel-good movie.

You will walk out of the movie theater feeling really, really great,

especially if you're in this audience, because as Tim said, you paid for the operation that is being depicted in the movie.

And it is called Sound of Freedom.

You can get your tickets online.

Go see it.

It opens tomorrow.

Sound of Freedom.

Tim, thank you.

Give my best to Jim, will you?

Will do.

Thanks, Lynn.

Love you.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

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Fabian is with us.

He just

came in with one of of our security, and he was down in the museum.

And I

said,

so

why are you here?

And my security said, it's not why he's here, it's where he's from.

So I came in from Israel,

which is a 14-hour flight plus connection plus.

You get lost on the way.

Right.

Because Glenn said, I'm taking the stuff out of the vault, and I'm going to put it up in St.

George.

So if you're in St.

George, come see it.

And so I said, I better be in St.

George.

Holy cow.

You flew from Israel just for this?

Yes, sir, I did.

Why?

Because

this is, well, I hope not, but it might be a once-in-a-lifetime to see this stuff.

Because listening to you for 10 years,

I've come to understand the importance of these things.

Without understanding America and its history, you cannot understand our world

and you cannot appreciate it without America's founding, America's values, the Constitution, yada, yada, yada, none of this exists, none of this, not my country, and obviously Holocaust, etc.

But even without that,

none of this exists, none of what we have.

I'll tell you, our founders felt that they were

going to found the new Jerusalem here, but George Washington spoke about it as several of the founders that one of the reason we were to found this country was to restore Israel, to have it return and be restored as God promised.

Well,

we're grateful.

Thank you.

You know, it's funny that you say that about America because being in Jerusalem in particular, if you've never stood at the Temple Mount, if you've never felt the Temple Mount,

you have no idea.

You can't, you don't understand

the world because it's almost as if the world has an axis that it rotates around the Temple Mount.

Have you ever felt that?

Yes.

Yes.

The Temple Mount is supposedly the foundation stone or rests on the foundation stone of the universe,

if you're a biblical person.

And it is special.

You can feel it.

If you touch it, like you said, you can feel it.

It really is.

It's different.

And

we are forever linked, I hope.

I don't know if we're on that trajectory at this point,

but we are hopefully forever linked as

friends and allies and countries that both worship the same God.

God willing.

Yeah.

God willing.

Thank you.

So when are you going home?

Thursday, technically.

Thursday.

Thursday.

And you're here all by yourself?

I'm here all by myself.

That is crazy.

That is crazy.

Yeah, that's what my wife said.

But then she said, all right, go ahead.

So thank you, honey.

I love you.

Wow.

That is amazing.

I know what you mean when you say that to Tanya sometimes.

Thank you, honey.

Well, I can't wait to hear your review of

what you see.

So thank you so much for coming.

God bless you.

Thank you.

And Glenn, thank you for everything.

Oh, thank you.

Everything.

It's the world that you came here.

Thank you.

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Every 4th of July, just after dusk, you will hear the same chorus wherever you are.

Every city, town, hamlet across the United States, you'll hear boom, ah,

crack, ooh,

boom, boom, boom, ah.

Every 4th of July in every city.

Fireworks burst across the sky as the rocket's red glare gives me proof that my wife is still there.

As we sit on bleachers and huddle on blankets, or as we did a couple of years ago, just sat in the back of a pickup truck as we watch the pyrotechnic display.

This has been part of the 4th of July or Independence Day, the first celebration of America's independence in 1777.

That's when it all started and has been going on ever since.

That first commemoration was not, however, the first time fireworks were launched in the American skies.

Legend has it that in 1608, Captain John Smith set off a fireworks display in Jamestown.

Wouldn't that have been incredible?

I guess just to mark the cannibalism that was yet to come in Jamestown.

The history of fireworks is

crazy.

It's crazy ancient.

It spans the entire globe.

Most historians believe that fireworks were invented in China.

However, some contend they originated in the Middle East or India.

But either way, we do know that the first firecracker in China was actually created unintentionally when a stick of bamboo was tossed into a fire and it cracked.

The hollow air pocket of the bamboo overheated and a loud pop was created.

The Chinese believed these natural firecrackers would ward off evil spirits, and so that was the first, at least in China.

Around 800 BC, a Chinese alchemist, he mixed sulfur, charcoal, potassium nitrate, mixed it all together, and he was trying to make a recipe for eternal life.

Didn't work out quite so well.

Some say he was trying to create gold,

and that didn't work out either.

So whichever, and especially eternal life, because what he made was gunpowder.

They began to pack the powder then into the bamboo and then later into paper tubes and toss them into the fire.

So if you attended an ancient Chinese display, it wouldn't be like the shows today.

I think it sounds a little more dangerous.

quite honestly.

So then they packed it, the the

powder into the paper later and the bamboo and the fireworks were thrown into the fire so they were not launched into the air and there were no added colors, just noisy explosions like firecrackers.

So

there was probably not as many ooze and ahs as well.

Around 900 AD

The Chinese realized they could make projectiles with the gunpowder.

So they fastened the firecrackers to arrows and they fired them at enemies.

And over the next 200 years, the fireworks were made into rockets that could be fired at your enemy without the help of an arrow.

So it was pretty, I guess.

It was very, very beautiful when we watched them all

be set on fire.

But it was your enemy, and their uniforms, I suppose, added color because there was no color.

Marco Polo brought fireworks to Europe and Arabia from Asia in 1295.

Gunpowder recipes came as well.

And we used the technology to develop more weapons like cannons and muskets.

The Chinese, I don't know, maybe I think their wars had a little bit more flair than just hurling a giant cannonball.

Fireworks were not only used as weapons, they were still used to celebrate things.

Henry the VII, I think, is credited with the first royal fireworks display.

He had a wedding in 1486.

Then Peter the Great, the Tsar of Russia, put out a five-hour

firework show when his son was born.

Now, I think that sounds cool, but remember, there were no colors at the time.

So at some point, you're like,

okay, I mean, I get it.

Silver thing goes up in the sky, goes bang, and I see silver lights.

I mean, I got it the first hour, and there was no music or anything else.

It was just the fire.

I think five hours might be a little excessive.

In the 1600s, the science of fireworks

didn't change.

It was still the same as it was in ancient China, except you didn't throw them into the fireworks.

Now, aerial fireworks.

And they were not actually silver.

They were just plain orange.

There was no color.

And they were run by fire masters.

And the assistants were little green men.

Not kidding you.

That's what they were called, green men.

And they were called that because they had to wear wet leaves to protect themselves from the sparks.

And again, I mean, I'm surprised that we ever made it to real civilization.

You know,

any job that says,

we're going to require you to wear wet leaves, I don't think I even apply for.

And I recommend to my friends, at least my friends, maybe those I don't like.

I'm like, you got to be a green man.

I mean, it's going to be great.

Early American settlers brought the fireworks with them to the New World.

John Adams is credited with inspiring the celebration of independence with fireworks.

He wrote to his wife Abigail, the day will be most memorable in the history of America.

I'm apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival.

It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, bonfires, and illuminations, otherwise known as fireworks, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forevermore.

And he was right, and we did.

America's first Fourth of July celebration was in 1777, still with only one color, orange.

I think the firework industry could have been run by Henry Ford,

and he would have loved it.

You get all the fireworks you want in any color, as long as it's orange.

The elaborate sparkles of red, white, and blue and fancy shapes, not invented for another 60 years.

During the Renaissance, pyrotechnic schools had taught eager students how to create elaborate explosions.

In Italy, fireworks were particularly popular, and they put specks of metal and other compounds in it to intensify the brightness and to make different shapes.

And the fireworks that we watch today may be some of the last fireworks that the world

will know.

It started before Christ or BCE before Cabin era and it may end soon.

They've been all over China, India, Arabia, England, Russia, Italy, influences from all over the world

and now they're being replaced by drones because of global warming.

But what you see in the sky tomorrow night is really a melting pot.

The 4th of July sky is a melting pot of creativity and innovation that came from all over the world.

It's a true representation of our noblest ideals that our founding father set forth on actually July 2nd, 1776, and finally signed July 4th.

E pluribus unum

Out of many

one

Out of so many sources and so many countries, we will all sit on the back of our trucks or in bleachers and watch our one fireworks display and celebrate the one truth.

We are free.

We are the freest country ever to grace the earth.

We've made a lot of mistakes and that is true.

We've been a bad country and we've been a great country.

But we're still a country called the United States of America and we are free

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So back from a few days off for what

we don't really know, but we welcome Stewena back.

Thank you.

And I'm not going to dead name Stu because that would be wrong.

So

just welcome back Stewena.

And that's

great.

I'm glad things went well in the surgery, Stu.

Thank you so much, Glenn.

It was a big success.

And

I've now converted genders every single time I've gone on vacation when you've still been hosting.

So it's good to have.

I know.

You should make up your mind.

Yeah, no.

You should make up your mind.

I disagree.

Transition is where the money is.

Once you're done, people are bored with you.

You need to be in mid-transition.

That's when you bring in the cash.

Well, I don't don't know.

You can always complain about something.

I mean,

Dylan Mulvaney does, and he still is, you know, he's the hot gal.

Yeah.

I mean, you get the can from Bud Light, and Bud Light blows up their entire business basically because of this can.

And you'd think, wow, that must be the favorite beer of all trans people now.

Well, shockingly enough, you're never woke enough, as Bud Light found out recently.

Listen,

here's Dylan Mulvaney.

You don't don't have it?

Okay, apparently we don't have it.

But basically what Dylan Mulvaney said was,

I'm very disappointed in Bud Light.

They didn't reach out to me enough, apparently, after this thing blew up and it became a big issue.

And

now Dylan Mulvaney's criticizing Bud Light for not being pro-trans enough.

So they are totally, totally screwed.

We are totally, totally screwed.

There is no one that can take anything anymore.

There's no one.

Everybody is like, oh,

my alarm clock went off this morning and it assaulted me.

And I've got to complain to the alarm clock company.

Oh, my gosh, get over it.

There are things in life that happen.

Things you got to do.

Buck up.

Ugh.

Weak.

This is the reality of the situation, though, I guess.

This is where we are now.

And I don't know.

You'd think these companies would figure this out after a while, right?

You'd think that eventually they'd understand that once they get into the middle of these things, it's not even pissing off your conservative fans, it's pissing off everybody because you will never be able to please the left.

So now you'll be put in a position where you're constantly trying to walk this in-between line that you will never be able to solve.

There's nowhere to go.

So don't get involved in it in the first place.

Just make beer.

And Disney is a great example of what happens over time.

Disney was way ahead of the, I mean, led the parade for the woke parade.

And,

I mean, back in 2008, you know, they had rainbows on their, on their employees'

ID cards.

And so what happens is all of the woke people go to that particular company, work for that company, and then you see what happens.

They're destroying that company and the company can't do anything about it.

What are they going to do?

Fire everyone?

Right.

Essentially, the thing that business owners need to understand is whether you agree or disagree with woke ideology or LGBTQ issues or all those things, the central part you need to understand about this situation is that woke employees are terrible employees.

And when you bring them in, when you encourage them to be hired by your company, you will be burned.

They've destroyed the New York Times.

They've destroyed Disney.

They've destroyed company after company after company because once they get in and they wrest control from sane people, even if they're liberal, you wind up with a work, you know, a staff that doesn't want to do their job.

It's the lowest thing on their priority list.

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Looking at Disney and how much money they've lost recently, I mean, it is.

What are they going to do?

I think that company, it's got to be over, don't you think?

Well, what are they going to do?

I mean, they have so much, you know, I mean, they still have ESPN.

I mean, it's not just, you know, just Disneyland.

They also bought Star Wars.

They're wrecking that.

Oh, yeah.

They have Indiana Jones.

They're wrecking that.

You know, they're wrecking all of their classic movies.

They're wrecking their classic stories.

The parks are being wrecked.

I mean, once you get rid of the movies and the parks, there's not

what.

I mean, really, where's their strength?

It's in the parks and their movies.

And they've just destroyed their movie industry and they're working on their parks now.

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