Ep 189 | How Motherhood 'Radicalized' a Former Los Angeles 'Libtard' | Bridget Phetasy | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Speaker 2 The New York Post recently published an article about single woke females.

Speaker 2 For the first time in American history, the majority of women between 18 and 35 are voluntarily opting out of the traditional pathways of marriage and parenthood.

Speaker 2 Among liberals, it has become a total obsession. Yet, nobody on the left can answer the question, what is a woman? Birth rates are dropping for many reasons, some of which are downright depressing.

Speaker 2 A lot of people are asking, what's the point of starting a family? It's strange and it's awful and

Speaker 2 it's a suicide note for humanity.

Speaker 2 Because of the importance of parenthood and because it is rooted in thousands of years of love and meaning that is so enormous it's often impossible to describe.

Speaker 2 The last time today's guest was on this podcast was three or four years ago, and she wasn't a parent. She wasn't married.

Speaker 2 And this has led her into an incredible transformation.

Speaker 2 She hosts the Walk-Ins Welcome podcast and recently started her podcast with her husband.

Speaker 2 What is it like working with a spouse? I hope we can get to that today. Today's guest can talk about anything to anyone with the ease of a gifted storyteller, a brilliant writer, and humorist.

Speaker 2 She's tweeted earlier this week. I have some thoughts on the future future of human civilization for anyone who can't get Elon on their podcast.
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Speaker 2 It is so good to see you. Welcome back.

Speaker 3 So good to be here.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me. You were on the radio when you were pregnant.
Yes. But the first time we met about four years ago

Speaker 2 and you look great.

Speaker 2 Thank you. You look healthy.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I know just in listening to you and corresponding occasionally that you are much healthier and happier and all these changes in your life. Yeah.
So we're going to get to that here in a second.

Speaker 2 But you were just telling me right before we started that you had an Uber driver from Venezuela.

Speaker 3 I just love talking to the Uber.

Speaker 2 I always talk to them.

Speaker 3 I want to know their whole story. I'm like, how did you end up in Dallas? How did you.
He was in Florida first, and then he came to Dallas, and it's a really funny story about air conditioning sales.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 his sister was here. And so then, but he was talking about how prosperous Venezuela was.
And he said when he was a kid, he was nine years old and he was sent to America to learn English. And

Speaker 3 just what he didn't really want to come here, but then he saw the conditions deteriorating and he started talking to me.

Speaker 3 And he said that he said, I always kind of just gauge if my my passengers can handle

Speaker 3 what level of conversation I can have with them.

Speaker 3 He said, people have gotten really mad.

Speaker 3 And I, and then he started saying the thing everyone kind of says in private these days. And he said,

Speaker 3 the thing that they're doing where they're taking a five-year-old and they're saying maybe you're not a girl. He's like, this is child abuse.

Speaker 2 And then he just said.

Speaker 2 You know, the only better than Uber drivers?

Speaker 2 New York. New York Cabbies.
Yeah. They're really, especially if they're old,

Speaker 2 they're driving way too long and way too fast, but you learn so much from them.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so he was saying, you know, this is, he just was saying people don't, people, he said, communism looks really good on paper. And when you're young and idealistic, it sounds great.

Speaker 3 And then he was just talking about that the people who still control the means to everything are still humans and they still want the same things we all want and

Speaker 3 they want to control things. And it was just funny.
It was just a funny conversation. And he was like, you know, look at Venezuela now.
It's tragic.

Speaker 2 Look at California.

Speaker 3 Yes, I'm a refugee.

Speaker 2 I know, I know. Washing up on the beach of Texas.

Speaker 3 I had someone pull up to me

Speaker 3 in my town now in Texas, and he was like, go back to where you came from.

Speaker 3 Like, excuse me, sir.

Speaker 3 No, I know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, it's the California driving probably.

Speaker 2 Gave me away.

Speaker 2 Do you, I mean, why did you move to Texas?

Speaker 3 I mean, life is so strange. Last time I was here, I was joking that I feel like

Speaker 3 I'm in like a giant improv where I'm like, yes, and now I'll go on Glenn Beck. Because I wouldn't have ever thought I would end up in these situations or places being kind of.

Speaker 2 It's good, though, we don't know. No, it is.

Speaker 3 I think it's good to, you know, I had a friend say the other day, follow the truth wherever that leads you, even if it's not somewhere you want to go. Did you ever think you would be living in Texas?

Speaker 3 And I think part of me always wanted to live in, I love driving around America. Texas has always fascinated me.

Speaker 3 I think it's like its own ethos and its own culture, and everyone immediately becomes a Texan the minute they step foot here.

Speaker 2 I know. It's weird, isn't it?

Speaker 3 I have, we have mutual friends who have moved here from other places, and they're like online, you know, we need to Texas.

Speaker 3 I'm like, you can't even drive.

Speaker 2 You're from New York.

Speaker 2 You don't even have a license. It is so true.

Speaker 3 What kind of Texan doesn't have a license? Yeah. It doesn't know how to drive, but they hate to be able to do that.

Speaker 2 My son.

Speaker 3 Immediately you get that.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, we're going to be free. And if you are born here,

Speaker 2 it's even worse. My son was five, maybe, when we were talking about moving to Texas.
He's adopted. He was born here in Texas.
Okay.

Speaker 2 But he was, you know, soon as, as soon as out of his mom, he's up, you know, to New York and Connecticut.

Speaker 2 So he, we never talked about Texas. And he's sitting at the table, five years old, sitting at the table.
We're talking about moving into Texas. And he said,

Speaker 2 you all realize that I will be the only true Texan in the family. And I'm like,

Speaker 3 where does that come from?

Speaker 2 Where does it come from?

Speaker 3 There's something in the soil and the water.

Speaker 2 I don't know what it is. But it's great.

Speaker 3 It's great. It's funny.
My daughter took her first steps in Texas. She wasn't born here.
She was born in California. But I'm like, I feel like that makes you a Texan.

Speaker 2 I have friends who will argue absolutely not. You know Marcus Luttrell? No.
Okay, so Marcus Luttrell, Navy SEAL, his brother is also a Navy SEAL and doctor now. And

Speaker 2 he was still in the SEALs and he was in Virginia. His wife was about to give birth, like days away from giving birth.
And he calls his brother Marcus up here in Texas. They grew up in Texas.

Speaker 2 And he said, bro, I just want to make something clear.

Speaker 2 Even though my son is born in Virginia, he's a texan right and marcus seriously said no he'll be a virginian and he's like come on man he's like no he'll be a virginian so he put his nine month pregnant wife into a car and drove to texas and had the child here wow yeah i mean that is that's commitment to a cause

Speaker 2 That is commitment. It really is.

Speaker 3 It is so funny, though. There is something about it where you just.

Speaker 2 It's cool.

Speaker 3 It is cool.

Speaker 3 I just, I, I'm definitely it took me a minute to kind of breathe into the different pace I've been in Los Angeles for 16 years and I think you for and I do really think that you get Stockholm syndrome living in these cities in California that are kind of falling apart all around you and it was like when I used to go to Joshua Tree and it would take me a couple of days to

Speaker 3 Just let my nervous system calm down from being in a city, but also just be walking my daughter around and not looking around constantly.

Speaker 3 For I mean, I'm not exaggerating when I say every single walk I took her on, it was dodge someone who looks crazy or sketchy or looking around and living like that constantly, that fight or flight, it does something to your nervous system.

Speaker 3 So it took me,

Speaker 3 it took me a couple of weeks to really

Speaker 3 breathe into the

Speaker 3 pace and the

Speaker 2 just be able to relax a little bit besides the weather do you miss anything in California I'm a freak I love this weather oh my gosh I'm a I'm a weirdo though oh it's like a hundred and fifty with two thousand percent humidity

Speaker 3 it reminds me of Sri Lanka though or India there's just

Speaker 2 nobody wants to live there

Speaker 3 I love Sri Lanka it's sad what's happening there too um I I just I don't mind the heat I prefer it over the cold My husband luckily is the same way. And we walk out at

Speaker 3 8 when it's still 95. And we're like, we love that.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 The heat, I was just on vacation

Speaker 2 a couple of weeks ago in Great Britain.

Speaker 2 No air conditioning.

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 2 Okay. And it was like 80 degrees.

Speaker 2 And I'm like,

Speaker 2 No one in America would put up with this. I'm like, what is wrong with you people? And they were all fine with it.
And I'm like, get some air conditioning. This is a 2,000-year-old building.

Speaker 2 And get a window unit. Put some air in this place.
And everybody was fine. It's different in America as,

Speaker 2 you know, the World Economic Forum and all the Green New Deals.

Speaker 2 They're expecting us to not have air conditioning or not the way America has.

Speaker 2 I don't think,

Speaker 2 I think what you're doing in schools and mutilating kids, you add air conditioning, and that's a bridge too far.

Speaker 3 That's when, like, even the staunchest libs are like, maybe Glenn has a point.

Speaker 2 How could you live here before air conditioning? You could, apparently.

Speaker 3 Well, I don't know. I mean, I can escape it.
So I do get to walk in, and I would worry about my daughter, my dog. You know, they need to be able to escape this.

Speaker 3 But there was no air conditioning in Sri Lanka. We always used to be like, we need an AC room.
Don't they have AC here?

Speaker 2 I have to tell you, when we were walking down London, it was so hot and hot in every place.

Speaker 2 And I'm walking into these stores and I'm like, no air conditioning in here either. In New York, we open up the front of the stores when it's really hot.

Speaker 2 So the people on the street feel the air conditioning. Like, I got to just go browse in here for a while.
The complete opposite. They think we're nuts.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 I was in Rome one year, and it was so hot. And even

Speaker 3 me, who likes the heat, it was making me, I was like, imagine what this is like back then.

Speaker 2 And then you had the smell of it.

Speaker 2 We were in London, and the river's still brown from centuries of people pooping in it or something. I don't know.
But imagine what that was like.

Speaker 3 No, I like to imagine.

Speaker 3 We have it so good. We have it so good.

Speaker 2 We do.

Speaker 3 The amount of complaining that goes on, it just, I'm like, we have,

Speaker 3 this is an unparalleled time in human history. And we're,

Speaker 3 maybe we just need challenges. And this

Speaker 3 and we're self-destructing because there's, it's not, it's not hard enough.

Speaker 2 And there's not, I don't know.

Speaker 2 We are so, we're away from all other countries that, you know, you look at Canada and you're like, I mean, you know, I'm glad I'm not living in Canada, but it's not that bad. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Mexico's got some beaches. You know, it's bad, but it's not like some of the rest of the world that was so far away from us, we lose context and we have,

Speaker 2 honestly, I think of my father always saying to me, oh, you're crying? I'll give you something to cry. I feel like, I feel like dad, you know, maybe in the role of God, it's like, oh, really?

Speaker 2 That's bad? Yeah. I'll give you something to cry about because we're whining and crying now.
My gosh, if things turn.

Speaker 3 No, don't. I mean, there's not much.

Speaker 3 There are more and more people, I think, who will survive it because there are more and more preppers born every day.

Speaker 2 Out of necessity.

Speaker 3 I feel like it's, I was joking with my friend. I'm like, I'm not sure if I should be preparing my daughter for like

Speaker 3 growing her own food and hunting or

Speaker 3 like going to Mars. You know, it's like, what?

Speaker 3 Right. I was talking to Tim Urban about this, and he has a young one, too.
And And I'm like, I don't know. Should I be stockpiling seeds or teaching her how to code?

Speaker 2 Definitely not to code. Those days are over

Speaker 2 with AI.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 it is a weird.

Speaker 2 I read something the other day that

Speaker 2 the first industrial revolution was 1760.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 The first, second, and third industrial revolutions from 1760 to now, okay?

Speaker 2 All of that change

Speaker 2 will be dwarfed by the change from 2020 to 2040.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, it's all exponential.

Speaker 3 It's, it, it, it is, when you look at Tim Irvin actually has this illustration on, it's in the intro to his book, and he talks about if human history was 2,000 pages or something and it's like the last,

Speaker 3 all of the last industrial revolution, what you were just talking about is all on the last page.

Speaker 2 But it was a slow and rather boring and smelly story before that.

Speaker 2 I was in Scotland and you'd go one place and they'd say, and, you know, this is where the plague happened and this is how they lived.

Speaker 2 You go to another place and, you know, 200 years later, they were living like this. And you're like, that's not much different.
You know, it was.

Speaker 3 I mean, Jonah Goldberg, I think, in his book talks about this too. If aliens came and checked in on Earth, you know, every 5,000 years, it would be like, oh, not much has changed for 200,000 years.

Speaker 3 And then suddenly you're like, wait, what happened?

Speaker 2 I know. I know.

Speaker 3 How did we get cars and planes?

Speaker 2 And what's weird is, I just don't think it is a coincidence that, you know, when

Speaker 2 you're living as a serf,

Speaker 2 you can't own land.

Speaker 2 You're on the king's land. And so anything you do to make your life better, he'll just take.
He'll make more money. People just lose.
Like, why am I going to do that? Why would I put myself out?

Speaker 2 And then we have freedom in the idea of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. And America does this, and the rest of the world behind us, but still does this.
And nobody connects the two.

Speaker 2 It's like all of a sudden, you know, around 1800, things just got great.

Speaker 3 You even started doing awesome. I mean, it is like our mutual friend Carol Ross new book, You Will Own Nothing, which is terrifying.

Speaker 3 I see these things that, although I was reading something the other day, I think it was just a tweet, and someone said, Oh, you think you own your land? Try not paying property taxes.

Speaker 3 And I was like, Ugh.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I know, I know.

Speaker 3 Uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 I've been thinking about that because, you know, look at me. I'm not in the greatest of health.
And

Speaker 2 I was thinking about, you know, when you get older and you have kids, and I want to talk to you about the changes in you already.

Speaker 2 But when you get older and you have kids, you start to think about leaving, you know, stuff behind. And

Speaker 2 lucky for me, I'm going to spend it all before I die. So

Speaker 2 I was thinking, I couldn't leave them my house.

Speaker 3 Because if I left it to one of them and they didn't have a very good job, even if the house is paid for, in texas you couldn't pay the property tax right so do you really ever own anything i think property tax is the most immoral thing you can do it's so unfair i see it in my hometown where it's a small new england village essentially but it's the people who are elderly who own their homes all of these rich people come in and buy property and all the values go up and now they have to leave their forever homes because they can't pay property taxes.

Speaker 3 That seems so wrong, it seems horribly wrong. Yeah, that and people will-I don't know if that's capitalism doing its thing, but no, that's government, okay?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that's government, isn't it?

Speaker 3 This is like compensation

Speaker 2 if all of a sudden I own a

Speaker 2 home and a bunch of rich people move in and the neighborhood values go up.

Speaker 2 Sweet, I'm great, right? Because capitalism says now you're gonna win for me.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and when I I want to, if I want to, I'm going to be sitting pretty. Yeah.
It's government saying, oh, you don't really own that. You have to pay our taxes.
That's nasty.

Speaker 3 I'm not smart enough to understand.

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Speaker 3 It's funny. I was joking that my

Speaker 3 whole life.

Speaker 3 The other unsettling thing about moving to Texas was becoming basic.

Speaker 2 Just,

Speaker 3 it was like my whole life has been

Speaker 3 just trying to be,

Speaker 3 I don't know, different or cool. Or I felt like I was always chasing some elusive

Speaker 3 sense of

Speaker 3 identity. And really, I just find so much joy in like the American dream, you know?

Speaker 3 I want like a nice little piece of land and I want a good school for my kid to go to where she can ride her bike around with her friends. And it's, I never,

Speaker 3 I never,

Speaker 3 I mean, I think I joked last time that if you had told me that I was going to quit drinking and end up on this show, I probably would have kept drinking.

Speaker 3 But now I can extend that to like, and be married to someone in recovery and have a baby, which is amazing, and end up living in Texas four years ago.

Speaker 2 That wasn't.

Speaker 2 Oh, I know. I said to you at the time, you should move to Texas, and you were like,

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I mean, yeah, there were so many dreams of being someone.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 2 California will flush that down the toilet every time. It's nothing but shattered people working as a waiter or waitress waiting for their dream to happen.

Speaker 3 I wasn't shattered. Well, maybe a little bit shattered.

Speaker 3 Was waiting tables.

Speaker 3 Nothing wrong with that, by the way.

Speaker 2 No, there's nothing wrong about that.

Speaker 2 It's if you're still, you know, you've been there for 40 years and you're still going on auditions.

Speaker 3 You haven't gotten anything. Such a tough enterprise, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I did move there with big delusional dreams of grand, delusions of grandeur.

Speaker 2 Sometimes they win. Sometimes they work.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and sometimes it's just not really.

Speaker 3 I don't know. I still love doing comedy.
I found that. I still,

Speaker 3 I still, it's tragic what's happened to California.

Speaker 3 And and i know a lot of people disagree with me and they still think it's great but i lived there for almost 20 years and the decline that i witnessed while i was there just around the state and it's it's such a beautiful state that i it's just tragic it is tragic san francisco

Speaker 2 san francisco is i i was just talking to a guy who said

Speaker 2 he said he was in london he said i'm uh

Speaker 2 oh I'm coming to America. And I said, really? Where are you going? And he said, San Francisco.
And I said, so you're not really going to America.

Speaker 2 He kind of looked at me puzzled with that. And I said,

Speaker 2 have you been keeping up with the news?

Speaker 2 New America.

Speaker 2 It's going to be a little different than perhaps you think.

Speaker 3 It's so crazy. I mean, if you went to, if you were in San Francisco 10 years ago and went now, you would be shocked at what's happened.

Speaker 3 And you'd also be shocked because you probably got your rental car broken into.

Speaker 2 I have to tell you, I went to San Francisco Francisco

Speaker 2 maybe five years ago when

Speaker 2 the Super Bowl was in San Francisco. I went, and that was the last time.
And the change that I had seen from five years before to then was stark. I can't even imagine what it's like now.

Speaker 2 I mean, and they're all in denial.

Speaker 2 The mayor said recently, like, people are saying that companies are moving out.

Speaker 2 You're like,

Speaker 3 this is the craziest part of the time that we live in is

Speaker 3 the blatant lying about what people can see with their own eyes. Right.
You're like, no, they literally just put out a press release. They're shutting down the mall.

Speaker 3 They're taking their company.

Speaker 3 People are,

Speaker 3 these conservatives are lying. It's not just conservatives, by the way.

Speaker 3 It's a lot of people are seeing this.

Speaker 3 And you can label them all conservative. That makes you feel better, but it's still not true.

Speaker 2 You know what it is?

Speaker 2 Thank God it is now the people who have always really kind of believed in the Bill of Rights, but you really kind of didn't need it. You know what I mean? Because it kind of worked anyway.

Speaker 2 Now you're seeing, oh, crap, all of them are being violated, and this is the result. And so the honest people are coming to the table.
You don't have to believe the same things I do.

Speaker 2 That's the point of the Bill of Rights.

Speaker 3 Welcome to the founding of our country.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's been something I've really been saying more and more: is that you don't have to be on the right to reject the left. And some of some of

Speaker 2 they want you to be able to do that.

Speaker 3 They've been labeling me that for four years now, for five years, or however many years since I started opening my mouth. I don't need to accept that.

Speaker 3 People, I think, get afraid because they're afraid of the labels that will be put on them. But I do think now is the time for some courage and just saying

Speaker 3 you have to speak what you see because the minute you have been scared out of speaking what you're seeing happening, that's you've already lost. Yeah, it's only going to get worse.

Speaker 2 So, you are

Speaker 2 kind of fascinated by the apocalypse lately.

Speaker 3 We talk about it a lot.

Speaker 2 Yeah, tell me about that.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think I've always been joking that it feels very pre-Mageddon-ish.

Speaker 3 And I think every, I was thinking about this when I was getting ready this morning to come, just how, you know, every,

Speaker 3 there's so much nihilism and so much like dooms. Everybody seems like they're in a doomsday call.
I feel like I joke about the apocalypse, but

Speaker 3 every, doesn't every generation feel that way? I mean, what did they, did they probably thought it was the apocalypse during the Black Plague? Maybe they didn't have a word for it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think, I think the best thing is

Speaker 2 uh if you lived my grandparents my grandparents living through the depression and the and world war ii and seeing that evil of the nazis and i don't know if they saw it as clearly as we can see it now if you care to look um

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 That's madness, what was going on. And it's the same stuff.
1925, do you know the first trans surgery happened in Weimar Republic?

Speaker 3 I don't know any, I'm out of my depth here.

Speaker 3 I don't know anything about that.

Speaker 2 But that guy died because the doctor just shoved a uterus in a man.

Speaker 2 But all of these things were happening, and it happens over time, and it's just a slow boil to where people just lose all reason. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think if you're watching that from the outside or could see it and you weren't numb, I think you might have thought, this might be the end of the world, you know?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I mean, now I think it might.

Speaker 3 I'm just trying to follow this exact line of thought. Wait, are you saying the trans something

Speaker 3 led to the Nazis?

Speaker 2 No, no, no. I'm saying here's what I should explain.

Speaker 3 I'm like, wait.

Speaker 2 So, yes.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 let me

Speaker 2 probably clarify.

Speaker 2 So Weimar Republic,

Speaker 2 first Germany and World War I happened, and all the churches lost the credibility because they were like, God's on our side. We're going to win this victorious war.
And it was a bloodbath.

Speaker 2 So the churches had lost their credibility because they had become political. So people aren't listening to church anymore.
Then the dollar or their mark starts to spiral out of control.

Speaker 2 Youth, the 20-somethings, they become the wealthy ones because they don't have families to feed.

Speaker 2 So they could take some some of their salary and invest it, okay, and make money, but everybody else had to take every dime to buy food and housing and everything else. Okay.

Speaker 2 So, and there's a shift of power to the 20-somethings. Okay.

Speaker 2 So then, because 20-somethings are 20-somethings,

Speaker 2 they're living a very decadent cocaine is pushed.

Speaker 3 I don't know about this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, all kinds of stuff really pushed. And society begins to decay.
Then the first sexology university is founded, and it's all about LGBT.

Speaker 2 They're pushing trans. It's the movie cabaret,

Speaker 2 except on steroids. Okay.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 then pedophilia starts to crop into the schools. The churches see the opportunity of, aha, see, this is what happens when we don't have God.

Speaker 3 They get in on the pedophilia.

Speaker 2 Wait a minute, everybody's doing it. No.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 the churches do what churches do, well, at least a lot of them, and they don't talk about what the principles of Christ are.

Speaker 2 Instead, they're like, our faith is the right faith, and we're going to jam it down everybody else's throat.

Speaker 2 They

Speaker 2 get people who say, Our children are in jeopardy here. Okay, this madness has got to stop.

Speaker 2 They get involved. They find the Nazis who are not religious, in fact hate

Speaker 2 Christianity

Speaker 2 and really anybody that won't bow to the state.

Speaker 2 They see these SA guys, these stormtroopers on the streets that are, I mean, you didn't get the whole population to do zig heil and raise your arms.

Speaker 2 Because everybody liked it. The stormtroopers would come in in the early, the late 20s and early 30s, and they would beat people, sometimes to death, in the streets, if you didn't do that.

Speaker 2 So everybody was like, I don't want any trouble. Heil.
Okay.

Speaker 2 So that culture, they saw this and they saw them, because Hitler was talking about religion and God and our decaying morals right at the very beginning. They went, maybe he'll help.

Speaker 2 The first book burnings, I didn't know this until recently. The first book burnings were the sexology books.
Okay. And then everybody lost control of everything.

Speaker 2 The first people in the death camps were gays and especially trans people. They were the first to go.

Speaker 2 So when somebody, LGBTQ positive, you know, who's saying like, hey, this is my movement and here's my flag,

Speaker 2 when they say you're a Nazi, They may know more,

Speaker 2 I doubt a lot do, but they may know more about the actual history and say,

Speaker 2 Christian nationalists are very dangerous. Historically, you're right.
Right. Okay.

Speaker 2 But that movement was not Christian nationalist, but they played that pivot role.

Speaker 3 Right. But isn't that the kind of current fear the left has of the backlash to a lot of this

Speaker 3 sand stuff in the country?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. And I think it's only because you're jamming it down people's throats you know

Speaker 2 our biggest strength is our also our achilles heel we're tolerant we just want to get along okay

Speaker 2 and if all of this stuff would have been introduced and not in our schools per se right um and you could talk about it and debate about it I don't think you'd be sitting on the powder keg you are.

Speaker 2 You're now forcing everyone to be involved.

Speaker 2 And that doesn't sit well whether you're a Nazi or you know a transgender activist.

Speaker 2 It doesn't matter. When you say it's my way or the highway, you're putting powder in that keg.

Speaker 3 Yeah, there seems to be

Speaker 3 it's like these two opposing forces that are

Speaker 3 extreme.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 most people are in here.

Speaker 3 Most people are. I mean, the piece that I just dropped today, actually, was how the public lost pride because there was

Speaker 3 how Pride lost the public because there was this

Speaker 3 Gallup poll that came out recently that everybody was like, look at the drop from conservatives on the support for gay marriage. I'm like, underreported.
Look at the Democrat drop. There was a drop.

Speaker 3 A dip.

Speaker 2 Look at the numbers of the gay community.

Speaker 2 I know a lot. I mean, we work with a lot of gay people, and they're like, this is nuts.
This has just gone too far.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and that's what's fascinating because as I was writing this piece and I was going down several rabbit holes,

Speaker 3 I wanted to, and it's, I could have made this piece 10,000 words had I wanted to, because there's so many, it's a confluence of so many forces at the same time that are occurring.

Speaker 3 One being that I feel a very

Speaker 3 illiberal movement has, and we see this kind of all across the board in America, just as Douglas Murray said in this piece, parasitically attached itself to gay rights in this instance. Big time.

Speaker 3 And that's a very liberal equality ideal that they have, but it was very much lit. And Andrew Sullivan contributed some brilliance to this piece, and he said it was live and let live.

Speaker 3 And now it's, it's my way or nothing.

Speaker 3 And I think Americans are going, fine, it's nothing then.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 Don't make me choose between this stuff, you know, like to go back to the driver.

Speaker 3 What, why is let a kid be a kid? Why, don't make me defend this. And I don't want to have to fight this in our schools.
And it's so insidious.

Speaker 3 But then you go down the other rabbit hole and it's like, why is it everywhere? Why is it, why is Pride like a national, again, Douglas Murray, the holy month of Pride?

Speaker 3 How did this become something corporations all change their

Speaker 3 unless it's Saudi Arabia, unless it's their Saudi account?

Speaker 3 And you go down the rabbit hole of ESG and CEI and

Speaker 3 you're like, this is nuts. This is social credit.
It's crazy. Most people can't understand it.
They're just trying to raise their kids. They see this everywhere.

Speaker 3 Their daughter has three girlfriends who are now boys.

Speaker 3 They're like, what the hell is going on? And it's easy

Speaker 3 to sit down and try and explain. Well,

Speaker 3 sit down, let me tell you about the Frankfurt School

Speaker 3 and Queer Theory.

Speaker 2 Do you have several hours?

Speaker 3 Oh, and by the way, there's this thing called ESG. Have you heard of it? Oh, no.
Well, it's just this global mechanism for basically controlling liquidity.

Speaker 3 And they've got a racket that has all these massive corporations by the balls.

Speaker 3 Do you have another several hours? No, people don't. So they feel that I feel like it accelerates tribalism because it's too confusing, which is part of the point.

Speaker 2 Correct. It's why people say,

Speaker 2 you're either with me or against me. Right.
And that's so dangerous.

Speaker 2 That's where the religious thing comes because people will say, well, I believe in God and I believe in morals and standards and everything else, but then it so easily

Speaker 2 attaches itself to control exactly the way Murray was talking about. It just, it, it just, you have to be so careful.
We are in a moment where everybody, it's like

Speaker 2 everybody should just have their mantra count to 10. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And I think, I do think, too, it's, it's easy not to get caught up in it.

Speaker 3 You know, there, there was a part of me that was very happy to be the kind of cool gen Xer in the back of the school laughing at all of the world while it burns, which I still do enjoy, by the way.

Speaker 2 Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 But then I had a daughter, and suddenly I'm like, ah, shit, I'm going to have to fight this crap. I'm going to have to fight this stuff.

Speaker 3 I'm going to have to get involved. Or I'm going to have to homeschool my kid.
Or I, because I just want her. I got to be a kid.
You know,

Speaker 3 there was stuff stuff in my childhood that was dysfunctional but I didn't have this stuff in school it wasn't the gender bred man you know the gender all this like weird stuff I didn't know I was actually so innocent and sure they also have the internet which does not help but they there's

Speaker 3 an innocence that's being taken and it doesn't and I don't I you know there are guys like James Lindsay who are much more I think,

Speaker 3 I feel bad for him because he's,

Speaker 2 I know, so do I.

Speaker 3 He's kind of light years ahead of the, of the game. And he is, he's, it's got to be frustrating.

Speaker 2 The problem, and I don't mean it like this. Uh, so let me, how do I rephrase it? The frustrating thing with James Lindsay is he is so deep.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I can talk about things and make people's eyes gloss over quickly on, you know, ESG or whatever.

Speaker 2 But James, he's so deep into it.

Speaker 3 And he's so smart.

Speaker 2 And he's so smart.

Speaker 2 His language is a little bit Marxist at times. You know what I mean? He uses the language that a lot of Americans don't understand because he's accurately describing it.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And names and things, and you're just like,

Speaker 2 But it's all so important.

Speaker 2 But it's so complex.

Speaker 3 It's so insidious. That's part of the problem.

Speaker 3 It's this thing thing where you're, and I say this in my piece, for the spectator piece, it's like people can, they can intuit it. You know, they're like, this isn't right.

Speaker 3 And I think a lot of parents during the pandemic were like, what are they talking? What are you learning? Excuse me. What are they talking about in these weird Zoom class?

Speaker 3 And you can intuit that, but then the minute you try and point to it, it kind of shape-shifts, or suddenly it's like, you're a bigot. And nobody wants to be a bigot.
Nobody wants to be a racist.

Speaker 3 Nobody wants to be a Nazi.

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Speaker 2 Talk to me about the difference between you

Speaker 2 three years ago and you as a mom.

Speaker 3 Well, I've been radicalized.

Speaker 3 Well, let's talk about extremism. I've been fully radicalized.

Speaker 3 Because you're a mom.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah, there's certain, and because I love America. And

Speaker 3 I was the person that was the 20-something imperialist America. I mean, for lack of a better

Speaker 3 phrase, and I apologize for using this, I'm kind of recovering Libtard.

Speaker 3 I should write a 12-step program, you know? Admit that you're a Libtard and your life has become miserable.

Speaker 3 And it is, and that's okay. It's okay to be, I was idealistic.
It's okay to question some of our country's decisions.

Speaker 3 We should absolutely be involved.

Speaker 3 We've done horrible, horrible things.

Speaker 2 And I want to fix them.

Speaker 2 I would just like us to have a serious conversation, just a checklist. What did we do? Okay.
Is it still being done?

Speaker 2 Okay, done. Let's bulb this out.
Let's never do that again. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Just deal with the things.

Speaker 2 We're still doing horrible, horrible things.

Speaker 2 And we're talking about what? Yeah, yeah. We can't heal unless we actually look at the real things rationally,

Speaker 2 make sure they're fixed, and move on to the next.

Speaker 3 I think, too, living in a city where I saw saw it, I couldn't look around. That was the benefit of being in California.

Speaker 3 It's a uniparty. I couldn't look around and blame conservatives for

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 city falling apart. I could only blame the people that were being elected, and it was blue all the way down.

Speaker 2 So, but how come more people don't see that in California?

Speaker 3 Again, I think there is,

Speaker 3 I had a friend who said something that really stuck out to me: that the true and only guiding ideology in America is but the right.

Speaker 3 There's this like, you know, there's this going on and this going on.

Speaker 3 And you, if you're a conservative, you probably have to shy your mouth and not really express your opinions at work or around your friends because it's, and you see that disparity and don't think, oh, maybe one side has a lot more power than the other side.

Speaker 3 But but the right.

Speaker 3 And again, I don't think guys like Trump, which will probably piss off many of your people in your audience, but I don't think it does people any favors because I do know a lot of particularly like boomers who have seen what's going on.

Speaker 3 They're like, this is nuts. And Trump is too much of just a narcissistic, loose cannon for them to feel safe, kind of saying, okay, we need to push back against some of this crazy in our own party

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 get,

Speaker 3 look at the state that it's in. You have Fetterman announcing Biden.
It's just like, we're supposed to just take our sugar and eat it.

Speaker 3 That's what we're supposed to just be like, oh, this is, we're all the dog in the meme drinking coffee. Like, this is fine.
Right.

Speaker 3 And I think someone, I know a lot of them have said, you know, I'd kind of in hushed, shameful tones, like, I'd vote for DeSantis, you know, somebody who seems younger, disciplined.

Speaker 2 Somebody who, this is,

Speaker 2 I think, a large part why Biden won is because there were a lot of Americans that just said, I want to return to normalcy. Okay.
I know times are changing.

Speaker 2 Just can we turn everything down?

Speaker 3 And then there were the food shortages.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we've turned it up. Yeah.
And

Speaker 2 I'm interested to see who is going to win the nomination because I think the Democrats are making it more likely that he's the nominee by Biden than

Speaker 2 Trump. Of course, they would love that.
They would love that.

Speaker 3 Because they know exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I know.
Which is that there are a lot of died-in-the-wool Democrats who have had it with them.

Speaker 2 But there's a lot of Republicans who are saying the same thing.

Speaker 2 We just want sanity. Yeah.
But

Speaker 2 when you push a society so far, not an 80-year-old madman with a revenge

Speaker 2 mission.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that wouldn't be good.

Speaker 3 That wouldn't be good.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I can't say that I know what would be good. I do, or bad because

Speaker 3 everything is so crazy. But I would like to, you know, people are like, can we get the boomers? I'm like, these guys aren't even boomers.
They're silent generation. Can we maybe just get a boomer?

Speaker 3 Can we, can we, I have, you know, nothing against people who are old. I just think you should be enjoying your grandchildren.
And I 100%

Speaker 3 of the time.

Speaker 3 Kwai almost said corporations.

Speaker 2 Well, same thing.

Speaker 2 Have you seen Vivek Rameshwami?

Speaker 3 Oh, yes.

Speaker 2 What a breath of fresh air. I'm like, yeah, somebody like that would be great.
Yeah. Would be great.

Speaker 2 I don't know if he even has a chance to even be on the debate stage, but that's the kind of guy and attitude and someone who under.

Speaker 2 You really think that Biden is tweeting his own stuff? Yeah. I mean, Donald Trump is.
Joe Biden, I bet, hasn't even used an iPhone, you know, necessarily himself.

Speaker 2 We are in a different world. It is time for people, and I say this as a guy who's

Speaker 2 gosh, almost 60.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 We've had a good run, and especially, I think my age,

Speaker 2 I'm the last year of the boomers. Okay.
And I don't really relate to the boomers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I'm the last year of the boomers. And I feel like I've dealt with these hippies long enough.

Speaker 2 And I feel like saying, dude,

Speaker 2 you screwed everything up. And we had to pay for a lot of that back in the 60s.

Speaker 2 My generation.

Speaker 2 Okay. And we were the latch kids, you know, generation.

Speaker 2 And now

Speaker 2 you are the exact opposite of what you said was right.

Speaker 2 It's time for you to let go and let someone else deal with it. They talk about how the Declaration and Constitution just isn't, it wasn't written for this era.
And you were? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, you were a teenager when? 1946, 1951?

Speaker 2 Come on.

Speaker 2 yeah it definitely shows me too just how hard power is to let go of when you have it no matter who you are and what's weird it's not even who you are like you look at what's her name feinstein she doesn't even know who she is it's the institution that just wants the body

Speaker 2 you know federman I feel so bad for him. I know.
So bad for him.

Speaker 3 It's so...

Speaker 3 And that's the problem is that it pulls on all this. You're like, I feel bad for this person.
I don't want to, and I feel like everyone has a right to demand that their leaders be competent. But those

Speaker 3 norms were shredded, and I'm not exactly sure. I do think, though,

Speaker 3 I would prefer, as much as it absolutely pains me to say this, Gavin versus Ron, just because at least it would be, I feel, accurate representations of

Speaker 3 both sides and what we're actually trying to confront. And I agree.

Speaker 3 Someone needs to push Biden when he says, I'm pro-gender affirming care. People need to push these people to define what that is.
Tell me

Speaker 3 what does that mean, sir?

Speaker 3 Mr. President, what exactly is gender-affirming care? Can you describe it to me? Do you even know what it is? Do you know what you're supporting? Do you know where you are?

Speaker 2 Do you know your name?

Speaker 2 But you can't get that. Nobody, the press,

Speaker 2 it's so

Speaker 2 either

Speaker 2 evil and they know it, or they're the dumbest people alive, or they're just trapped and feel like.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, I feel like a lot of people feel trapped. I was saying this just on Twitter yesterday.

Speaker 3 There was that, that woman, I think her name is Robinson, and she was talking at some hearing about how

Speaker 3 she read an article in NPR about, you know, this is why it's not a big deal that biological men should be competing against women. And I'm like, have.

Speaker 3 Where are the female athletes? I understand that it's a culture of, you know, just suck it up and like, you take your loss, but this is not fundamentally not fair. And you are going to lose.

Speaker 3 I was saying joking. I'm like, I hope they, I hope these women who who don't speak up lose their job to a mediocre male because you didn't say anything.

Speaker 3 And if you don't, you're going to cost another woman her spot.

Speaker 2 Did you see the activist in Congress yesterday talking about Serena Williams and saying there is no difference, no difference between a man?

Speaker 3 Right, this is the woman I'm talking about. I think her name is Robinson.

Speaker 2 I can't remember her name yet.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 wait, there's no difference.

Speaker 2 Serena Williams, when she was good, was beaten by the what, 207th ranking man at tennis you can't tell me that a man can be imposing and can hold a woman and rape her and do and do whatever because a woman doesn't have the strength which is all true on some men i mean you could beat the snot out of me but you know what i mean

Speaker 2 generally speaking yeah we have more muscle we are bigger So to say that there's no difference

Speaker 2 is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 It is interesting too because it's talking out of two sides of your mouth at the same time so how do you explain rape culture for example right

Speaker 3 if if this is true this can't be true it must not be it must not exist right if there's no biological difference between men and women why does why why does this happen right women should just be able to fight back correct it's it's insane and people are afraid i think people feel trapped i think they're afraid you know douglas Murray said, I wish I could have just posted the transcriptions of every person that I interviewed because they were all so brilliant.

Speaker 3 Trying to put it into one article felt impossible. But Douglas was saying that he felt that the reason, because the UK is actually quite ahead on this, and he said it's because somebody like J.K.

Speaker 3 Rowling, who is massively huge, spoke out very early against this and that we are behind because someone like Oprah hasn't stood up and been like, hey,

Speaker 3 women should have their spaces.

Speaker 2 You know, it's really interesting being over there. J.K.
Rowling is, I mean, there are Harry Potter things

Speaker 3 everywhere. Yeah, she's huge.

Speaker 2 Everywhere. She is gigantic.

Speaker 2 Going to Oxford, they have made one of the gargoyles one of the figures in Harry Potter's.

Speaker 2 She has an honorary doctorate at Oxford.

Speaker 2 And I'm trying to piece this together.

Speaker 2 You have somebody that popular. Oprah doesn't have anything in any college, you know, reflecting any gargoyle, anything she's ever done.

Speaker 2 You have a society that is monetarily

Speaker 2 really benefiting from her work. She's deep into the culture.
And they've just destroyed her.

Speaker 2 Just destroyed her. It's insane.

Speaker 3 And all she's doing is defending women. You know, it's just like.

Speaker 2 And you're not defending women

Speaker 2 if

Speaker 2 you're standing up and saying the truth, all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 Wait, I don't.

Speaker 2 How do you even make that logic work?

Speaker 3 I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 Again, I feel like it's just something that's kind of cool, and there's something

Speaker 3 young people are, they feel purpose being a part of this movement or whatever and i i i'm not

Speaker 3 i don't know i i talked to the women's liberation front the women who are fighting for the they're pushing the lawsuit against the california corrections for men in women's prisons um and this is the kind of stuff people need to be pushed to say on record you agree with oh you're for gender affirming care for minors you agree with putting them on puberty blockers you agree with pausing their

Speaker 3 development, which we know is not a pause. We know that now.

Speaker 3 Even though most of the European countries are backtracking, not Canada. Canada's going full steam ahead.

Speaker 2 Canada's gone nuts. But you look at all of the places we were told we should be more like France.

Speaker 3 Sweden.

Speaker 2 Sweden. Norway.

Speaker 2 All of those are going, whoa, slow down.

Speaker 2 They're looking at the science.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know. And this is the people who are always like, oh, these anti-scientific idiots who are,

Speaker 3 it's maddening. But I do, my, my kind of white pill, as Michael Malice would say, is that more and more people do seem to be kind of reaching their limit.

Speaker 3 I mean, I wrote a piece probably four or five years ago being like, you can't just shame people into voting the way that you want because you say they're a bigot or they're they're racist because of whatever your your

Speaker 3 idea about things is, and you want them to vote away. And yesterday, Kat Rosenfeld wrote this piece for the Boston Globe about how progressives are minting conservatives.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, Yeah, I said this four years ago, and now it's even crazier. Now, that was when you were that was pre all of this,

Speaker 3 like even more insane stuff, and post-COVID, which was also insane.

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Speaker 2 What do you think of RFK?

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's interesting. You know, I think he's he's an, again,

Speaker 3 this is the state of the Democratic Party that he's like, people are just so thirsty. And I do think Stephen Miller,

Speaker 3 not the Stephen Miller who worked for Trump, Stephen Miller, who's the writer,

Speaker 3 he was saying that he kind of gives permission to a lot of people on the left who were vaccine skeptics, for example, and just were very happy to let

Speaker 3 everybody say, Oh, it's those MAGA people who don't want the vaccine.

Speaker 3 I'm like, you know how many people I knew in LA who didn't get the vaccine quietly and just were fine having everyone think it was like, oh, those hicks over there didn't get the vaccine.

Speaker 3 Well, and he was saying the same thing. The original kind of anti-vax community was like in the Palisades.
Right. You know, these are the hippie granola moms.
Right.

Speaker 3 And so there was a lot of people and a lot of people in the black community, rightfully, did not want to get the vaccine. And the press never had to be a vaccine.

Speaker 2 Why is there any kind of history with that? What are you talking about?

Speaker 3 The press never had to really address that. They could ignore that and focus on.

Speaker 3 And so I think RFK is pointing out and giving permission to a faction of the left that has not been able to speak up because they didn't really have a representative.

Speaker 2 So I know conservatives who like him

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 he is, and it's so strange.

Speaker 2 The left was right about the United States turning into one giant corporation and in business with big business. The right said, that'll never happen.
I trust companies.

Speaker 2 We were dumb as a box of rocks. Okay.

Speaker 3 Got that one wrong.

Speaker 2 Got that one wrong. Kind of a big one.

Speaker 3 Slippery slope.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But the things that you were right on,

Speaker 2 the left is now

Speaker 3 being the champion. Yeah, no, that's the other crazy thing.

Speaker 2 I mean, big war. Endless war.
Endless war.

Speaker 3 And he said this when he was on Rogan, which you can't even post those clips on YouTube without getting your channel demonetized.

Speaker 3 We'll put that in the bucket of other terrifying things that we would need an entirely separate episode for. But

Speaker 3 that's what he represents. That, the silencing of this conversation, the ability to even have the dialogue, the ability to ask the questions.

Speaker 2 He has a little bit of what

Speaker 2 the Democrats are doing to Trump. They're also kind of doing it to him.
They're not as severe, but they're silencing him. And people are hungry for anyone who will stand up and say, this is wrong.

Speaker 2 He's saying, for instance, I always trusted the FBI and CIA. Oh my,

Speaker 2 have they always been this way? How did I not see that? Okay. But now everybody on the left is like, oh, they're great.

Speaker 3 I love them. I love the FBI.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 what? Yeah.

Speaker 3 As somebody who's Gen X, it's very disorienting. Oh, I bet you.
Because it was all of the things that I was, when I was in my kind of recovering,

Speaker 3 you know, when I was in my full libtardation,

Speaker 3 that was all the stuff I was fighting against. Right.
Wars in other countries. So what happened? Big pharma.
What happened?

Speaker 2 It's so weird. From 2000, the year 2000, I am not the same man that I was.
I still am,

Speaker 2 I hate to say the label conservative, I don't think means anything anymore. Yeah, I'm not sure.
I am a constitutional Bill of Rights American. Okay.

Speaker 2 You agree with me on that? We don't have any arguments that are severe that we can't work through.

Speaker 2 But I would make the, you know, well, this war is important and this is important. And, well, the FBI, it probably was just isolated.
All that crap

Speaker 2 has been proven wrong. Right.
And so many conservatives are there.

Speaker 2 And you have a chance of actually changing and doing the things that the liberals, who were actual Bill of Rights liberals, who were saying,

Speaker 2 this is wrong, what we're doing,

Speaker 2 we have a chance to change it.

Speaker 2 And maybe it goes back to the first thing you say, but the right, that they just will not

Speaker 2 see that I'm not talking about the GOP. I'm talking about common sense people that are like, no, there's a problem here.

Speaker 2 And shame on me for being so stupid. Good for you.
You got it right. Now, did we get anything right that you're starting to discover? You know,

Speaker 2 it's the same eye-opening on, it's just, and it's almost on the same things. We're coming, you're coming our way on some things.

Speaker 2 I'm coming your way on some things.

Speaker 2 And those some things are the important principles. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And can we meet in the middle with healthcare, please? Anyone.

Speaker 2 Anyone?

Speaker 3 I feel like

Speaker 3 can anyone address this problem? Anyone? No, we fixed it.

Speaker 2 Obamacare fixed it.

Speaker 3 I mean, that was a little bit jarring coming from California to Texas. It's definitely better in California.

Speaker 3 Because as somebody who is an independent, I can't get, I don't think I can get a private PPO as an individual here. I could be mistaken, or it's just way too expensive for me.

Speaker 3 I have to be employed by someone. There are groups you can get involved in.
And so then I had to get an HMO, and I haven't had an HMO in a long time.

Speaker 3 And my gosh, how does, it was very eye-opening how people, there are two classes, well, probably three classes of care in the United States for healthcare. And it was, I think, bad.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's not good.

Speaker 2 No, it's got, and it's gotten much, much worse. Yeah.
Much more controlled.

Speaker 2 It's, you know, when I moved from New York, because I, you know, the company was mine and I had a responsibility, I couldn't carry the same insurance across from New York to.

Speaker 2 Why? Right.

Speaker 3 Why? I don't know.

Speaker 2 It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Money and payoffs from politicians.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, this is so much of the problem. It really is.

Speaker 2 So now that

Speaker 2 now that you are a little apocalyptic,

Speaker 2 but yet a mom,

Speaker 2 and so you're more grounded.

Speaker 3 I'm actually more optimistic, weirdly, too.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 3 Because that was really the kind of epiphany I had when I was getting ready this morning. Just all men.

Speaker 3 are presented with whatever humanity is dealing with in their time and they have to deal with it. And

Speaker 3 this is what I'm presented with. And my job is to prepare my daughter to handle

Speaker 3 whatever is presented to her in the best way that she can.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 pray that

Speaker 3 she has a good head on her shoulders. And she knows that she's loved.

Speaker 3 But there's a lot that I, I'm an old parent. So I'm hyper-aware of the fact that I won't be around probably as long as I'd like to be in her life.
and see.

Speaker 3 And so I have to trust that she will be okay. You know, I, I, that is,

Speaker 3 that's my job.

Speaker 2 Even not in these times, you'll go through that as a parent.

Speaker 3 It's still better than ever. So it's still, even though I can look at the horizon and say, oh, this could really go off the rails.
Is it, and this is kind of what Tim Urban and I were discussing.

Speaker 3 Is it going to be she's going to Mars? Is it going to be she's enslaved by robots? Will it be she the grid has gone down and she's growing food?

Speaker 3 Or will it be just a little bit more of where we are and and a little better, a little worse, whatever.

Speaker 3 I'm not sure. And I

Speaker 3 am optimistic seeing

Speaker 3 how resilient kids are, just how smart they are, how creative they naturally are. And they tap, she just forces me to come into the the president.
It's easy to get spun out in all this stuff.

Speaker 3 I've been watching the Arnold documentary, which is very interesting. And again, as a 90s kid, I had to watch this.
But he was talking about his Nazi father who had

Speaker 3 one expression that really stuck with him, which was be useful. And I think about that a lot.
You know, I wake up and I try to food prep or be useful.

Speaker 3 And I do think there might be a crisis of usefulness in our country because people are

Speaker 3 not doing things. They're going online and like working themselves up into a lather over these ridiculous,

Speaker 3 like the dumb think pieces and

Speaker 3 not having enough really nuanced conversations. That's why all the people in the piece about pride that I that I wrote,

Speaker 3 they're gays and lesbians and trans men and women, and they have to live with the consequences of this backlash we're seeing which is why I wanted to reach out to them but they're also

Speaker 3 critical of gender ideology so they represent I think where most people fall and they're the people we should be listening to the Glenn Greenwalds and and Douglas Murray about this topic in particular Andrew Doyle and they get the kind of least amount of airtime because we just hear from the activists on either side who are riling each other up.

Speaker 3 But there, we, I don't, there's, I don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. We've made, that's one of the most,

Speaker 3 I think, inspiring things that I've seen in my lifetime is that, that the, the,

Speaker 3 going to

Speaker 3 just the, the transition we've had, for lack of a better word, around gay marriage and gay rights and gay people in the world. It's miraculous.
And in a very short time. And

Speaker 3 now,

Speaker 3 and this is where I kind of, we were joking on Dumpster Fire, and I'm sure it'll get, you know, cut and taken out of context, but we were like, maybe you were right about the slippery soap.

Speaker 3 And I disagree. It's not necessarily true, but it is because this other thing is piggybacked like a Trojan horse into it.
Although my husband would say that's what they were afraid of, though.

Speaker 2 Right. I had a conversation with my daughter.
She was at Fordham. She wouldn't talk talk to me for a while because they had her so ratcheted up that

Speaker 2 I was anti-gay. And I'm like,

Speaker 2 I'm a libertarian on this. I don't really care.
I don't think the government has anything to do with anybody. Don't tell me how to live.
I won't tell you how to live.

Speaker 2 Don't tell me what my church has to do. And I won't tell you what your church has to do.
Leave it be. Let people follow themselves.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 she just, she wouldn't even, she got so, and I I said,

Speaker 2 honey,

Speaker 2 the reason why I speak out about this is because of the slit, and she cut me off. Okay.
And I'm like, and I know, and I, and I said,

Speaker 2 it's not that this will lead to this and this will lead to this.

Speaker 2 You don't understand the people that are truly pushing with money. behind this, okay? The people that you get that.

Speaker 2 Are they all going to quit their job because they've got what they want?

Speaker 3 I mean, yeah, that's the that's another thing we covered in this article: is just the NGOs need a job, but then there's also just this insidious part of all of these theories that is all just destruction.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's just

Speaker 3 deconstruct everything.

Speaker 3 And I'm not smart enough, or I'm

Speaker 2 it's

Speaker 3 there's something

Speaker 3 sinister. You know, it feels sinister.
And I hate saying that because I don't want to be an extremist. I don't, I try so hard to be nuanced and see where everybody's coming from.
And then I see

Speaker 3 activists screaming in people's faces. And,

Speaker 3 you know, and I don't want like

Speaker 3 conservative people having to like

Speaker 3 check children's genitals before they play soccer. You know,

Speaker 3 that's crazy, too. Right.

Speaker 2 Here's the thing:

Speaker 2 I said to James Lindsay

Speaker 2 last time I talked to him, I think.

Speaker 2 I said, James, you know, the first time I ever met you, you were an atheist, full-fledged. And I said, I don't really know where you stand now.

Speaker 2 He's had some really good experiences, some really bad experiences. I said, but

Speaker 2 I swore off the word evil about 2011 because it was

Speaker 2 it's it's it's a very powerful word hyperbolic correct, you know. And I said, However, if I were to define evil, I would define it as a destructive force that destroys everything

Speaker 2 and makes people slaves to thoughts or physical slaves. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Anything that tells you you can't do it, you won't survive without,

Speaker 2 anything that does that,

Speaker 2 I think is evil. And he agreed with me.
Yeah,

Speaker 3 I hear this a lot. And I have that same resistance, like being raised Catholic and feeling kind of,

Speaker 3 it's, you're like, oh, evil, is it evil? And then it gets thrown around and you see it online and there's lots of hyperbole.

Speaker 3 And then,

Speaker 3 I don't know. You know, again,

Speaker 3 I go back to the Arnold documentary, which he kind of brushes over, but it made me really think about his talking about his father, how he was, he could be very, you know, hard on them and also seemed to be an alcoholic.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 all of these broken men in Austria who basically got behind this ideology and believe were believers and were just demolished and demoralized, and what his town was like with all these people.

Speaker 3 And, you know, there will

Speaker 3 seem to be,

Speaker 3 I can't help but feel that way about

Speaker 3 a lot of the stuff I see now that people are kind of co-signing.

Speaker 3 And I think Blair White has said this, where she says, you know, a lot of people are going to pretend they were never on board with this. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 They're just going to act like that's why I say put when people are saying this and they're public figures,

Speaker 3 you need to push them to say it on record to say what exactly this stuff means and what they're advocating for.

Speaker 3 Because so you're advocating for biological men and women's prisons and shelters and locker rooms. And that was the other thing.
I was looking at my daughter and I'm like, I don't want,

Speaker 3 I don't want these, I don't want her to have to

Speaker 2 worry.

Speaker 3 I was so uncomfortable when I was a young girl going through puberty to the thought of having

Speaker 3 boys and same sex.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you just like, I,

Speaker 3 yeah, I know.

Speaker 3 And this is supposed to, again, people are supposed to, and then there's like this whole weird, because we live in such a raging narcissistic time, there's this whole culture of people where it's like

Speaker 3 cool to be a parent of one of these kids.

Speaker 3 And this is where I say, because I had, I had an internal debate, you know, like, should the state be saying

Speaker 3 you can't get this care for your child if you feel that's right for your child. And then I see these moms on Instagram.
I'm like, nope, shut it down.

Speaker 2 By the way, you brought up Elon Schwarzenegger's dad, who was a Nazi, twice now, Nazi.

Speaker 2 But let me just say this.

Speaker 2 You said his phrase was, be useful.

Speaker 3 Be useful.

Speaker 2 I think that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 I don't think you should say it came from Arto Schwarzenegger's dad, the country that was like, useless eaters. Let's kill them all.

Speaker 2 I mean, mean, part of it is kind of like,

Speaker 2 whatever you do, be useful.

Speaker 2 Because this will come back again.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 3 I don't know how to.

Speaker 2 No, I know.

Speaker 3 I hate like, I was like, I don't even know how to explain this. No, I know.
Because I was going to say Arnold Schwarzenegger's dad, but then if I neglect to mention that he's a nazi.

Speaker 2 I'm not going to say it's yours.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to say it's.

Speaker 3 I hate. Okay.

Speaker 2 It's my mantra. It's my.

Speaker 3 My mantra is just keep going, which very good. Which is mine.
But, you know, I don't like stealing things from people.

Speaker 3 But you're right. I probably shouldn't.

Speaker 2 No, but I think it's a profound, the way you said it, it is a profound statement because

Speaker 2 people are not being

Speaker 2 useful, you know?

Speaker 2 But then the Nazi thing just kept going in my life.

Speaker 3 I had this whole thing. I was writing about it.
And this is the thing you like tiptoe. And this is what I hate about

Speaker 3 the modern culture is that I'm hyper aware of like oh that's gonna get clipped and here's Bridget saying like be useful like a Nazi which is not what I'm saying

Speaker 3 I know I know you just have to and then I was thinking like it led me down this other weird rabbit hole of like are you still considered the greatest generation if you were a Nazi

Speaker 2 I mean

Speaker 2 You're the greatest generation on the winning side.

Speaker 3 Only the winners were the greatest generation.

Speaker 2 Right. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's what I came down to. Yeah.
And I was thinking too, just about how much this must have affected his, like, Arnold's psyche and

Speaker 3 why he loves American might and he so you know doesn't want to lose.

Speaker 2 It's really fascinating. Yeah, he's an amazing guy.

Speaker 3 It's an amazing story. Amazing.
And yeah,

Speaker 3 you're probably right.

Speaker 2 Good to see you.

Speaker 3 Good to see you, Dave. We'll talk again.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 Especially now that you're in Texas.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

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