DeSantis: Dismantling the Deep State Is a 'TWO-TERM Project' | Guests: Gov. Ron DeSantis & Spencer Klavan | 5/25/23

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A lot of people were very upset on the left.

How?

I mean, why would Ron DeSantis, he just,

it's a joke, it's ridiculous that he would go on Twitter and announce his presidency.

Really?

Really?

I have a pretty good comparison that I'd like to pull out of the history archives and just show you exactly how smart Ron DeSantis was on Twitter last night.

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Hello, Stu.

How are you?

Glenn, how are you?

Oh,

my

gosh.

I love technology.

Yeah, I love technology.

Anyone who tried to do a show throughout the pandemic remembers the times like this, the golden old pandemic technology where everyone was on Zoom calls and they would crash all the time.

Yeah, yeah.

Ron Sanders got a little taste of that.

Yes, he did.

That was fun.

I got a little taste of it too because you know I don't have a phone.

I mean, I have a phone, but I never use it.

And I had to go look for the phone last night because the platform is not available for iPads.

Really?

Yeah.

So I couldn't get it.

I had to go get the, find my phone and then try to find platforms.

And I'm, look,

I am not a spring chicken here.

Right.

We, you know, I started a tech company

and I have no idea how to use this tech.

No, you do not.

You do not.

And I wear it as a badge of honor, quite honestly, that I don't have a phone.

There was about 20 minutes there where it didn't seem like Elon Musk knew how to use it either.

Yeah,

it was kind of really, really bad for DeSantis in a way.

I mean, I joke about it.

No one remembers this if DeSantis does well.

Right.

Like, this is, you know, it's the same thing.

They're going to remember this anyway.

Yeah.

They're going to be remembering.

It's a five-second attention span.

They're going to remember him as the first guy to ever use social media to announce a presidency and go directly to the people

and not

to either a crowd covered by mainstream media and take questions.

from those people on day one.

In a live event.

I mean, yeah.

Live.

There's not a lot of people who announce in an event where they take questions at all.

Right.

Right.

I mean, that's not usually what you do.

It's very, very planned.

You roll it out perfectly.

And that didn't happen last night.

You see the reason why that doesn't happen, right?

A 20-minute tech delay is one of the reasons why people don't do it that way.

But again, who cares at the end of the day?

It's a minor blip on the radar.

I mean,

they had hundreds of millions of dollars poured into Obamacare and years to prepare, and they launched the site, and it didn't work for weeks.

Well, it's working.

It's working as well as the electric buses that schools are getting all over the country.

Exactly.

Okay, so

let me just say this about DeSantis and what he just did.

I think this was a brilliant move.

Elon Musk

is not a Republican.

I'm not even sure if he's a conservative, but he believes in the Bill of Rights, at least least so far.

I mean, he describes himself as a moderate.

I mean, how many conservatives do you know that describe themselves as moderates?

Yeah.

Very few.

Very few.

And Elon Musk is exactly the kind of guy that you need

to be able to expand the base.

You have to take the base from conservatives and get the independents.

And also get the youth.

Here is, do you remember what, let me pull pull this out of the history vault.

Do you remember what the genius move was by Bill Clinton?

Arsinio Hall?

Arsinio Hall.

I remember that.

Arsinio Hall and MTV.

And he was the first president to go on MTV.

He was asked about boxers or briefs.

And I remember at the time, we're like,

you're asking the president that, what?

And of course, the left loved it.

Oh, my gosh.

Why did they love it?

Because he was going to the new tech.

He was going to the younger base for the first time.

Bob Dole wasn't going on MTV.

He wasn't going on Arsenio Hall.

And he went on Arsenio Hall, and what did he do?

He played his saxophone.

This is the Arsenio Hall or the MTV moment, and

it's a conservative that is doing it.

It is a conservative that is getting rid of.

This is the exact,

this is what conservatives should be.

Conservatives are supposed to be the guardians of all of the things in our society that are traditional and have value.

Progressives are the ones that are supposed to be looking towards the future.

Okay?

You need both sides, because if you just jettison all of the things that are good in a society, you get America 2023.

We are jettisoning everything that is good.

There's some things that should be thrown out.

Here is a conservative saying, you know, the mainstream media is not needed anymore.

I don't need to talk to both sides when it comes to the media.

I'll talk directly to the people.

You know,

he's the really, I think, the first politician that just ignores the mainstream media.

He's not trying to get in with anybody.

He doesn't, you know, he's not like, oh, maybe this time the New York Times is going to be nice to me.

He's just like, screw you.

I don't need you.

That's a massive shift.

And if it works,

that is the end

of the network system and the big media.

Because

if it works and he becomes the president of the United States,

I don't think he's calling on them.

That'd be nice.

Kick him out of the front row for once.

You know, it was interesting watching the coverage of this thing last night.

I mean, let me give you some of the just, it's all snark.

This is just from the New York Times reporters.

Like, listen to some of these points that they made during the Twitter Spaces conversation.

DeSantis is a no on central bank digital currency.

For the Americans wondering about that,

that's Jonathan Wiseman.

A lot of Americans are wondering about that.

And like, I will admit, and I think it's true, that the American people generally are not talking about a central bank digital currency.

No, but anyone who is informed.

Yeah, and you know who is?

People who are definitely voting in the Republican primary, right?

That's who he's speaking to here.

He wants people who might vote in the Republican primary to know he's on top of these issues, right?

This whole audience here, the Glenn Beck program, knows a lot about it.

You talk about it all the time.

And a lot of times, this is where these stories start, right?

They start as something that, you know, you bring up and we talk about for a while and no one knows what it is.

I mean, Common Core, you know, Common Core, which was nobody was talking about it's a conspiracy theory.

Oh, turns out to be true.

And

you have ESG and the great reset.

It's a conspiracy theory.

It's not happening.

Oh, it's true.

It doesn't matter.

Done.

Everything over and over and over again.

And now they're doing it with cryptocurrency.

Yeah.

That was another one they talked about in here.

If you're wondering how this event is going, now they're talking about Bitcoin.

This is the coverage from New York Times reporters that are supposed to be telling you the facts about what's going on.

We could go on for hours here, Sachs says, in what is hopefully not a warning.

Oh, my gosh.

It's incredible.

Like it was all

would not have had debanking on my DeSantis presidential campaign kickoff bingo card.

What is this?

Is this coverage?

Dana Lash, a major gun rights activist, is speaking about the activist-guided financial institutions and ESG investing.

A little niche.

A little niche.

These are basically all in a row from these reporters.

I'm not even cherry-picking here.

DeSantis denounces the accreditation cartels, which I'm guessing is the first time that phrase has been used in a presidential announcement.

These are really important issues.

They're just mocking them.

I think half of them have no idea what they are.

This is the New York Times.

This is not some, you know, some left, this is not some bunch of left-wing bloggers, supposedly, but you know what?

Maybe they are.

You know, I have to tell you,

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If you're with Stu's mindset today, because

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And I'm going to take you through that.

It's really time to start using the

scientific method because you will see

how

wrong they are and why everything is falling apart now in America.

I also am

going to

go in quite deep next hour

with the Hunter Biden.

Did you see the Hunter Biden whistleblower from Monday?

It's amazing.

I can't believe that's happening.

Yeah.

So this is a new whistleblower from the IRS.

CBS News,

the evening news, did like three and a half minutes on it.

They haven't even mentioned Hunter Biden.

They did three and a half minutes.

And this guy,

CBS presented him as credible,

presented it as a big deal.

And it is,

this could be the thing that makes all of it come undone because this involves the DOJ.

The IRS is saying, the whistleblower at the IRS said,

I just couldn't live with myself anymore.

He said, every time we would start doing our job, the DOJ would come in and say, you got to do this.

And it would always fall in favor of the suspect.

He couldn't say it was Hunter Biden.

He said, of the suspect that we were investigating.

Every single time.

He said, they finally, he said, I had a red line in me, and he said they crossed it.

And

I said, I'm done.

I'm done.

This is corruption now.

And

this thing could take the entire administration down.

You know, we said this before.

This is the type of weird thing.

It's the first time.

Yeah.

It's the type of weird story that no one pays attention to when it happens, but could wind up blowing up an entire administration.

Because you know what?

We talked about the press conference that they had with the committee, and it was like, okay, here's the flowchart, and here's the banking records, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Here's the easy thing.

You can summarize it for everybody and everybody understands it.

You don't fire people that are investigating your son, right?

It's so blatantly obvious that

he got away with it in Ukraine.

I know.

He got the prosecutor fired and everyone cheered.

I know, but

this is different.

The prosecutor in Ukraine, people don't understand.

This is a story where it's his own son.

He controls the people who were investigating them and he fired everyone responsible for it.

I mean, that is, it's so clear to everyone that that is wrong.

I know.

And it's not the worst thing he's ever done.

He's done much worse stuff than that, but it's so clear to everyone.

You can explain it in one sentence.

I mean, I bet they're scared of this one.

If it played out the way it seems like it did.

So Ron DeSantis is joining us in just a few minutes.

I want to talk to him about the economy.

I want to talk to him about the deep state and all of this stuff.

When I show you next hour, what is coming down the pike, what

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Now,

let's not kid ourselves if you were excited about Ron DeSantis yesterday.

He has a lot of work in front of him to get past Donald Trump in the the primary.

Oh, yeah.

Every poll shows that he is way behind Donald Trump.

The polls aren't all that important right now.

I mean, he just announced yesterday, and it's important to keep that in mind.

But Donald Trump has proven to be a very good campaigner, especially against Republicans.

Yeah, and you know, just fundamentally, the guy is the former president of the United States.

Yeah.

He enters this race as the overwhelming favorite for stop.

I mean, he comes in with what's the floor for Donald Trump in a state, 35%?

If you're starting at 35%

in a field of what is going to be probably 20 people,

you have a really good chance of winning.

Oh, yeah.

It's going to be really, really hard to defeat Donald Trump in this primary.

And if he loses, you know, he, it's his to lose.

Let's put it that way.

I agree.

He can lose this thing.

But like, if you were to say this, Glenn, if you were to do a draft pick here and pick pick the best month of campaigning that Donald Trump ever put together, I would argue the first pick of that draft is the last month of the 2016 election cycle, where he had the

tape, the access Hollywood tape, and then he was like, holy crap, I better button myself up and not make any mistakes.

Agree.

And that last month, he was solid and he won that election.

If he ran this primary like that month, he would have no chance of losing.

So this is what I'm saying.

It is his to lose.

He can easily lose it if he's sloppy, if he makes mistakes, if others are able to cite his weaknesses.

It would be hard for Ron DeSantis to overcome that.

But, you know, look, we know Donald Trump has not had every month like that.

And so he is vulnerable.

He can lose.

But man, he can't.

People, I think, look at this as like, oh, it's DeSantis versus Trump.

And it is in some ways because no one else seems to have a chance.

Do you remember what the Democrats did with Bernie Sanders?

They cleared the field.

They cleared the field.

Everybody off

so they could get the candidate they wanted because they were bifurcating all of the vote.

And we're walking in with about 20 people.

And that could bifurcate, it will bifurcate the vote.

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If you have people that are hanging on till the bitter end,

you could hurt DeSantis.

Yeah.

You could hurt Trump.

And remember, the media cycle itself is a wholly owned subsidiary of Donald Trump.

He runs it.

Whatever he says is the media cycle.

If he says something controversial,

Ron DeSantis will spend the rest of his day answering for whatever Donald Trump said.

It is all, he controls this media cycle.

And that is such an incredible advantage.

So, I mean,

right now it's going to be difficult for DeSantis.

The poll numbers stand at 56 Trump, DeSantis 25.

However, if you go head-to-head

with

Biden,

it shows a different story.

In the general election, Biden,

I just don't believe this, but Biden still beats Trump 48 to 46.

2% point margin, unchanged since the last time Quinnipayak did the poll.

Meanwhile, DeSantis narrowly edges out Biden, 47 to 46 in the general, and that is up.

Again, when you have a poll this early for a general election, there's very little value of it.

I will say this.

DeSantis could go way up from that or way down from that.

That 48 number for Biden in a Trump-Biden campaign is pretty solid.

It's not going to move much from 47, 48%.

Obviously, you can win when your opponent has 47 to 48%, but the window is small.

DeSantis could do much better than that, but also could do much worse.

He hasn't been tested here.

We're about to see.

He's about to jump into that fire as he did last night, and it's going to be an amazing next year of this.

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Ron DeSantis joins us next.

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

Governor Ron DeSantis from Florida announced yesterday, he is formally announced, that he is running for President of the United States.

And so it begins.

And it's going to be an interesting 18 months.

Welcome to the program.

Governor DeSantis, how are you, sir?

I'm doing great, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

Enjoyed it.

Not the first 20 minutes.

That must have been incredibly frustrating for you with the technical problems, but it was the largest audience gathered on Twitter.

Yeah, I mean, I was just kind of sitting in Tal Asse, like, I didn't really know what was going on because Twitter handled all of that.

And they were just getting so many people above and beyond what they've ever gotten that I think it kind of melted the servers.

But they were able to correct it, and we were able to do an announcement that I think, you know, obviously I laid out the case at the beginning for five or six minutes, but then we were able to talk about actual issues that people should care about.

And I think it's now up to 8 or 9 million people have viewed it across some of the platforms that have featured it.

And obviously, when Elon's involved, you get a lot of buzz out of it.

So we're getting huge feedback and raising money and doing all that,

which is great.

We were talking earlier today, Stu and I, about this choice, that you have always had this approach where you don't care what the New York Times says.

You're not sitting down trying to get

a puff piece out of the New York Times.

You know, you're not going to get one, so you just ignore them.

And

I think that's really, really smart, but very different.

This, too, I think, is going to be remembered as the Clinton MTV or

Arsenio Hall program.

This is really smart to do.

Does this

assign the end of the mainstream media going right straight to people?

Well, I think what Elon's done is he's opened up Twitter.

I mean, the social networks, when they first came on the scene, had a lot of potential because we could go around legacy media and we could converse with ourselves.

And that was a big threat to them.

And so they really helped lobby companies like Facebook to start censoring.

And then it got to the point where not only were they trying to enforce a narrative, the tech companies were colluding with federal agencies like the FBI and the CDC to censor and stifle dissent.

And so Elon, I think, has put his money where his mouth is, gotten one of those platforms, and opened it up.

So I think open platforms are good for conservatives because it allows us to go around the filter.

But I do think we have a huge battle on our hands about tech censorship writ large.

What Elon's done is great, but how many people are worth $250 billion where they could afford to just wait, you know, put $54 billion down to buy a social platform?

And so tech censorship, I think, is going to continue to be an issue.

I think we've not dealt with it in Florida.

We're going to do more as president, of course, to make sure that the First Amendment actually means something because you can't let the government subcontract out censorship to Silicon Valley and say you still have a First Amendment.

Okay, so let me talk to you about the government.

FBI, DOJ, IRS, NSA, CIA, ATF, everything.

Even the Capitol Police now are an intelligence gathering agency.

How do you even run a campaign when you know the all-of-government approach to the last election?

How do you, if you win, how do you dismantle this?

Because it's almost like a unplug it and plug it back in and reset it to factory settings.

I mean, it's cleaning house.

And I think that this is a fundamental problem.

So we will look at like an example of weaponization, which is obviously many examples.

But that's kind of the end point.

Like, why are we here?

And the reason that we're here is because we have these agencies that have been detached from constitutional accountability.

There was never supposed to be a fourth branch of government, but Congress has not held them accountable with the power of the purse or with legislating more precisely.

And presidents have not been willing to wield Article II power to discipline the bureaucracy.

So I think I'll come in and on day one, we'll be spitting nails.

I understand and all your listeners should understand that if we do everything right, if we're disciplined, if we're strong as anyone could be, it still takes a two-term project.

I think it takes eight years to be able to reconstitutionalize this government.

But the question it raises is do we govern ourselves or do we not?

Because right now, the most significant issues tend not to be resolved by our elected representatives.

They're done by these bureaucrats and through these agencies.

And so it's really, I think, a crisis of self-government.

Now, what you have with lack of accountability, you just have a

consolidation of power amongst people that all have the same worldview.

And so their worldview is different than our worldview, and they view people like us as factions that they want to exert power over.

And so the weaponization, I think, flows from human nature.

So what would I do, you you know, day one?

First of all, I already said new FBI director, day one.

That is a no-brainer.

You've got to do that.

I'll have an attorney general that has a backbone, an attorney general that recognizes if you are doing your job properly, you are going to be pilloried by the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN.

And so if that's not something that you're comfortable with, then don't even apply.

for this job.

Understand you're going into the lion's den.

These people do not want to give up this power willingly and so they're going to smear you, they're going to attack you.

So I think getting the personnel right,

if you can't do that, then it's just not going to work at all.

Second thing I think is you've got to be willing to use Article II authority to its fullest extent.

The idea that some FBI agent can collude with a tech company to censor like Hunter Biden, you should be firing these people.

You have the authority to do it.

Yes, it'll be contested.

They'll sue you.

But who gets the Article II power?

The person that wins the Electoral College or some middle managing bureaucrat in the IRS or the FBI?

So asserting that authority, making sure that you have political control over those agencies, that is a huge battle.

It's something you've got to be disciplined about.

It's something you got to be strategic about.

And it's not something that anyone's really tried to do because, you know, these are tough fights.

I mean, it's like trench warfare.

And you've got to be ready on day one.

And incidentally, who's the attorney general?

Very important, but it's also important who's in a step or two below that across all these agencies.

And I think you need to have thousands of people ready to go.

So are you sending on?

You know, one of the things that really bothers me about the Republicans is the Democrats were

gaming and putting everything in into

the Obama bill, when he walked in, that thing was 2,000 pages long.

They had worked on that for years.

Are you assembling teams and talking about what to do so you could just launch if you would win?

Absolutely.

And so, first of all, we're working with allied conservative organizations who are already collecting resumes from people around the country.

And I will have a message if I'm in, you know, if I'm in Nevada, I'm going to say, look, some of you who are in this audience, you may need to pick up your family and move to Washington, D.C.

for two, four, six years, because you can't just recycle everybody from D.C.

It's not going to change if that's the case.

And so you really need to have most of these people descending on D.C.

from outside the country.

What we're also going to do is I'll issue a directive to all these agencies that they need to reduce the footprint of their agencies in D.C.

by at least 50%.

Oh my gosh.

Because I think what's happened is, you know, the growth, the government, the size of it is one thing, of course, but the consolidation of it in Washington, I think, has been totally toxic.

You know, you have a place in Washington, D.C.

It votes 95% Democrat.

I think Trump got 4 or 5% of the vote in 2020.

And so this is totally not

representative of the public as a whole.

And I think the founders would look at that, and I think they would say, like, that is a huge, huge problem.

So dispersing power out of D.C., yes, reducing the government overall, but whatever government you have, we want less consolidation in D.C.

And I think that that will make a difference.

So, Governor, the one thing that Donald Trump will have going for him in spades is the economy.

People will trust him on the economy.

He's already done it once.

He's known as a businessman.

What are you bringing to the table?

to this all-out war on the American dream.

Corporations have been weaponized, red tape, all of the stuff that's going on.

You'll have the Fed against you, the big banks.

How do you change the economy?

Well, look, I would just say push back a little bit.

I mean, I think he did great for three years, but when he turned the country over to Fauci in March of 2020, that destroyed millions of people's lives.

And in Florida, we were one of the few that stood up, cut against the grain, took incoming fire from media, media, bureaucracy, the left, even a lot of Republicans, had schools open, preserved businesses.

And so Florida, since COVID, has outperformed virtually any state in the country when you look at all these significant metrics.

I mean, we're booming.

We've got people moving in here.

Wealth is coming in here.

And so I think when people look back, you know, that 2020 year was not a good year for the country.

country as a whole.

It was a situation where Florida started to stand alone.

So I think that that's important contrast.

Now going forward, yes, you rip up what Biden's done on day one with things like energy.

They are trying to price middle-class people out of having a middle-class standard of living.

We're not going to force people to buy electric vehicles.

We're going to make sure that people have a choice to have affordable transportation.

We absolutely reduce federal spending.

We're going to fight with the Congress on that.

I mean, I think the debt has gone up under both Republican and Democrat.

I mean, we act like it's just Biden, you know, went up $8 trillion the debt under Trump as well.

And so we've got to stop doing that.

That has absolutely driven the inflation since March of 2020 with all the borrowing and spending.

I also think we need to have the Federal Reserve focus on stable money and stop trying to be the economic central planner.

You look at how much money they've printed since COVID.

Of course you're going to get inflation when that happens.

So you need a major overhaul with the Federal Reserve.

And so, and then, yes, fighting woke capital.

Woke capital is absolutely bad for the average American because they're pursuing an ideological agenda to achieve ideological left-wing goals that are going to make it harder for the average American family to make ends meet.

May I ask you a question?

First of all, we are doing

sit-downs with each candidate.

You've already done one, but as governor, not as a candidate.

Will you sit down and just talk about your policies with me?

Oh, yeah, of course.

Absolutely.

Would you be for

a

debate or a roundtable hosted by, for instance, us that would not necessarily get the backing of the Republicans?

I think the Republican Party

controls these debates so much, and we keep going back to the mainstream media.

And I don't understand why.

You guys should absolutely do a debate, and the RNC should sanction it.

I mean, here's the thing, Glenn,

with corporate media.

Some will say, because I say they shouldn't be involved in our process because they're hostile to us as Republicans.

They have a partisan agenda, which is fine.

It's a free country.

And people say, oh, well, you just don't want them to ask Republicans tough questions.

No, their gotcha questions are not tough questions.

Their questions are designed to further a narrative.

Correct.

Questions, though, are not illuminating to Republican primary voters because they're not one of us.

And so when you have people who live in kind of our world, you are going to be asking the tougher questions.

They're not going to be gotcha questions, but they're going to be substantive and they're going to require candidates to actually go beneath a talking point to talk about their vision for the country on these various issues.

And so I think you guys should do it.

You know, I'd love to be a part of it, but I absolutely think the RNC should sanction it because you've seen what happened in 2015 or 16 with some of those debates.

It was a mockery

what these legacy media outs are doing.

And their whole goal is to try to make the Republican candidates look as ridiculous as possible.

They do not want us to look like we're serious people.

They want to be able to plow the field to get Biden reelected.

So we know that that's their agenda.

So why would you want to give them a platform to be able to be involved in our process?

I can tell you in Florida, we had four congressional seats that were open seats.

Republicans ended up winning, and there were primaries in all of them.

We sanctioned debates with the state party, and we had conservative journalists and moderators doing debates.

And guess what?

They were great, substantive debates, and the issues that people actually care about in our party were discussed.

Well, I will tell you that as we took a stand for Harm Eat Dylan, we didn't make any friends at the GOP national level.

But thank you so much for coming on.

Congratulations on the rollout yesterday.

We

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We'll definitely sit down with you, and I'd love for all your folks out there.

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Thank you very much, Governor.

God bless.

Thanks.

God bless.

All right.

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My just initial thoughts, rock solid.

Yeah, this is a guy who deserves to be taken seriously and deserves to be in this conversation.

He does not avoid hard questions.

I loved his answer about the debates.

Ask...

Not gotcha questions, but hard questions.

Yeah, I think that's fantastic.

Yeah.

He's smart.

He knows these issues.

And look, his record in Florida deserves

this type of attention.

This show went national because we were in Florida during the election, during the Hanging Chads.

Yeah.

And how much did he win that

district?

Oh, I don't remember the district, but he won the state by, what, 537 votes?

Oh, yeah, but I think in Palm Beach County, I think he

screamed Chris.

Oh, you're talking about now with DeSantis.

I mean, yeah, he was a guy.

We started the show talking about hanging Chads in Florida, and then then DeSantis just won the state by 20 points.

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So I've got a few

questions.

Speaking to CBS News, News, the IRS whistleblower revealed himself.

Now this just happened.

This is a new guy since Monday, okay,

has revealed himself as a supervisory special agent, Gary Shapley.

He is part of the IRS's criminal investigations department.

He is a 14-year veteran at the agency and currently oversees a 12-man team that specializes in international tax and financial crimes.

He told CBS News that he began documenting his concerns about the Hunter-Biden investigation in June 2020, five months after being assigned the sensitive investigation.

There were multiple steps that kept being slow walked.

They were just completely not done.

And it was happening at the direction of the Department of Justice.

When I took control of this particular investigation, I immediately saw deviations from the normal process.

It was way outside the norm of what I've experienced in the past.

So this is his first interview.

He sits down with CBS

and

they take him seriously and treat him seriously.

He said, each and every time it seemed to always benefit the subject.

And I got to the point where that switch was turned on with me and I couldn't stay silent anymore.

So we now know we have

the IRS

along with the Department of Justice

doing

all kinds of things that they shouldn't be doing on the Hunter Biden front.

But it's not just Hunter Biden.

IRS investigation into Matt Taibbi.

Here's the latest on that.

On Wednesday, yesterday, the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to the IRS commissioner demanding all documents and communications related to the agency's decision to launch an investigation into Matt Taibbi.

Now, who's Matt Taibbi?

Matt Taibbi is a journalist.

He's always been kind of a left kind of guy, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, I think that's fair.

And he has, you know, been red-pilled.

And he's not a conservative.

He's just telling the truth and he's being a journalist.

He is the guy that really tried to make sense

of the Twitter files.

He was one of the leaders on that.

According to the letter, the IRS's inquiry was initiated December 24th, 2022.

That is the same day that Taibbi released the report detailing the collusion between Twitter and the federal government.

Subtle, guys.

Yeah, very subtle.

Well, it was not only on the same day,

it was December 24th.

So it was Christmas Eve.

I don't know about you, but there's not a lot of work going on on Christmas Eve, but the IRS are busting their ass, okay?

December 24th,

and it was a Saturday.

So somebody was burning the midnight.

It might have been Bob Cratchit because he was afraid and he wanted the extra scuttle of coal from the IRS.

So the documents passed on to Twitter by the FBI-led Foreign Influence Task Force, Taibbi revealed Twitter was receiving content recommendations, blah, blah, blah.

Joe Biden and the energy company Burisma.

The report also showed that Twitter, along with Facebook and dozens of other tech-related firms, regularly attended FITF-led gatherings where companies often received an OGA briefing.

What is an OJA briefing?

That is a euphemism for intelligence services in general,

in particular, the CIA.

So the IRS has said, yes, we sent the letter on the 24th, okay?

And that was nine days after he filed his 2018 tax return.

But They said

we called him over and over again to verify his return because

it meant I it met identity theft criteria and we couldn't process it.

Nine

days after they get this return to them,

nine days

on Christmas Eve

on a Saturday, the IRS is like, we just can't wait any longer.

We just, we can't do it.

We've got to process this because we're concerned about him.

This IRS form looks like it might have been identity theft.

So he says they never reached out to call them, to call.

They said, we did it twice, and then we just had to send agents over to...

These guys are bending over backwards.

It's really nice of them to spend all that individual time on one person like that.

Nice.

Now, the tactics in which they used,

apparently now we know, to dig up any dirt they could find on Taibbi,

the agent assigned from the IRS was instructed to perform an extensive investigation, which include using publicly available search engines, commercial investigative software,

consumer affairs, LexisNexis, and Google.

The documents provided to the committee also purportedly show the agency kept a dossier on Taibbi, including information such as his phone number, voter registration records, whether he had a concealed weapons permit, and whether he had hunting or fishing licenses.

I don't know.

That seems like maybe they weren't concerned about identity fraud.

So you have now two cases of the IRS just today

that I can report on.

Now, the FBI has just demanded answers

from,

or sorry, the Republicans have just demanded answers from the FBI on the January 6th pipe bomb investigation.

Andy Biggs, Jim Jordan, and Bill Posey wrote to the FBI and Director Ray saying, we have been asking for an update on the pipe bomber.

We have witnesses or we have whistleblowers that are saying, you ain't doing jack on this.

In fact, the whistleblower testimony on the investigation on the unusual character,

including one disclosure that revealed that the Washington Field Office asked the FBI field offices to canvass all confidential human source nationwide for information about the individual that might have put the pipe bomb out

a year

after

they laid the bomb.

Now you would think that this would be something they were all on top of, but they waited a year.

Still no motive, still nothing.

A former FBI assistant director said they should have yielded some results by this point, but gosh darn it, they just can't find it.

Now, couple it with this last story.

And tell me, You've seen anything like these stories so far.

Okay,

I've seen people in the Tea Party targeted during the Obama administration.

Before that, I had never seen it before in my life.

Okay.

So I had seen that.

Got it.

I have not seen the Justice Department go in and stop an investigation by the IRS.

That's totally new.

I have not seen anything like what the FBI has been doing lately and the pipe bomb and the January 6th and they can't find the people who are burning churches, but gosh, darn it, they can find those peoples that have violated the FACE Act.

Now, this one:

the alleged neo-Nazi, accused of ramming a rented U-Haul truck into the White House security barriers, is being held in federal jail pending a detention hearing next week.

Sai

Kandula, 19, not an American citizen,

I believe from India.

He appeared in federal court yesterday.

He is from Missouri.

If you don't know this story, it is bizarre.

He slammed a box truck.

Now, a box truck, it was either a writer or a U-Haul.

and clearly marked it's a moving truck.

Now, when I think of somebody going after a federal building in a movie truck, in a moving truck, especially with the information that the FBI knows that 60,000 tons

of ammonium nitrate have just disappeared from the railway.

Have you heard that story?

60,000 tons, it's on the loose.

And somebody pulls a giant

U-Haul van and is trying to break through through the fences of the White House and get close to the White House.

As a police officer, investigator, Secret Service, what is your first thought?

There's fertilizer in the back of that U-Haul truck.

Okay?

When I saw the U-Haul truck, that was the first thing I thought of was Timothy McVay.

Okay.

And I know that 60,000 tons

of that fertilizer has just gone missing.

Okay, so he slammed it into the barriers along Lafayette Square.

He

allegedly has planned this attack for six months.

We know because of his writing,

has been released, can't get anything from Nashville, but this guy, he had to get to the White House, seize power, and be put in charge of the nation.

So immediately I think the guy has mental problems.

He was accused of threatening, accused of threatening to kill the president if that's what I have to do.

He praised Hitler and Nazism.

He is not a white guy.

He was originally charged with threatening to kill, kidnap, or inflict harm on the president, vice president, or family members, as well as an assault with a dangerous weapon, reckless operation of a motor vehicle, trespassing, and destruction of federal property.

That's what he was charged with.

Does all of that make sense so far?

Okay, I can't place the Nazi flag.

And the other thing that bothered me was the fact that

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get everyone out of Lafayette Square.

Now, we have seen pictures of what happens next because they only backed people up a little bit.

And this is where it really gets hinky.

We'll talk about it in 60 seconds first.

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So, my first question is: the park police that are guarding Lafayette Square and the Secret Service at the White House, everybody involved in protecting the White House, they see this truck.

They got a guy who's pulled out a Nazi flag out of his backpack.

They put him to the ground.

Then they display the Nazi flag.

Never seen that before.

They lay it out nicely on the ground because they've only backed the people up a little bit, so people are taking pictures of it.

Then,

what do you think

would be done with that truck?

I would think you would call the bomb squad and you would say, get to the White House.

We have a truck.

There may be a bomb in it.

And you would have video of that little robot coming to open that door, right?

And you probably wouldn't have video except from the robot because you would have moved people out at least a block away.

They didn't do that.

Instead, they just open up the door and then they start rifling through stuff and taking stuff out and putting it out almost like you do when you, you know, you've confiscated drugs so the media can come in and take pictures of it.

They lay it out.

I've never seen that before.

Never seen that before.

Okay, so we either have out of control police that are working for the safety of our president who should not be there because what the hell are you doing?

Why are you up?

Where was the bomb squad?

But then

it gets really weird.

Yesterday,

the DOJ

takes his charges, remember,

charged with threatening to kill, kidnap, or inflict harm on a president, vice president, or family member, as well as assault with a dangerous weapon, reckless operation of a motor vehicle, trespassing and destruction of federal property.

He planned it for six months.

They downgraded his federal charges to a single count of destruction of federal property.

Can somebody help me with that?

They have been trying to put people who are trying to, who are extremists, white nationalists they say extremists here's a guy he's not white but he has a nazi flag he loves hitler he said he's going to kill the president he actually takes a truck and tries to get it close to the white house and you're only charging him didn't you put grandma in prison for the rest of her life for parading You're going to charge him with destruction of property?

Now, I'm not alleging anything

because it could just be this is a POC thing.

Oh, he's a person of color.

He's a minority.

He shouldn't be charged.

I don't know.

It could be that

everybody in Washington is on drugs.

They're zombie robots.

I don't know.

But this isn't right.

Something is wrong.

And I think all of these stories tie into the same thing.

The same thing.

You cannot have a justice system and Capitol police

who have been weaponized,

who have this guy planning for six months to kill the president.

And they let him go on a destruction of property.

crime when you're putting everyone in jail that you can find claiming they're a white supremacist.

You can't have it both ways.

What the hell is going on?

I hope to have Jim Jordan or Andy Biggs on with us soon to help us answer some of these questions, or at least hear the questions that they are asking about it.

Things are,

I think, about to come completely undone.

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the job of a conservative is to jettison the things that don't work and save the things that do work.

And we tend to be conservative.

Let's not be hasty.

Let's not move too fast.

It requires a balance between a conservative and a liberal.

Not a progressive.

Progressives are just...

Progressives are some entirely different thing.

A liberal...

is somebody who is a little more, hey, let's push the envelope here.

Let's go.

You need both sides to be able to thrive as a human,

as a company, as a country.

They're two wings of a bird.

If it only has one wing, it will not fly.

Okay?

So

let's conserve something.

It's already been destroyed, but let's see if we can bring it back.

And it is called the scientific method.

Now,

it's kind of a new concept.

It just started in the 1600s.

And it looks for empirical evidence.

It looks for things that are true.

Well, who's truth?

Well, this is how we find out the truth.

This is a

procedure

that

consists in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and then the formulation of a hypothesis.

So,

I think

Glenn is too fat.

That's my hypothesis.

He's very unhealthy.

That's my hypothesis.

All right.

Glenn,

let me measure how tall you are.

Now step on the scale.

Holy mother,

I think my hypothesis is

correct.

Glenn, get on that treadmill.

45 seconds into it, my God, man, it's a shock you're even alive.

My hypothesis is correct.

My hypothesis also, he's not only fat, out of shape, but he's also a male.

Glenn, pull down your pants.

Geez.

Pull them up, please, quickly.

He's a male.

That's how the scientific method works.

Now,

if something says, you know, I step on the scale and I'm filled with helium

and I'm like 112 pounds, then the scientist goes, holy cow, that doesn't match.

My hypothesis is that he's fat

and overweight, but he's, he looks overweight, but he weighs 112 pounds.

The guy looks like he's he's 450 pounds.

This is how it works.

And when it comes back that way, then you have to change your hypothesis.

Okay.

Otherwise, if you keep going with all of the facts disproving your hypothesis,

you're not scientific.

You don't have any brains.

You know what you are?

Part of a cult or a religious cult because you are denying the scientific fact.

All right.

So let's go through some of this.

Using the scientific method, let's see who's lying to us.

Hillary Clinton has come out and said ultra MAGA Florida isn't safe for people of color and LGBTQ plus,

even Disney.

Okay, well, that's quite a charge, and I would like to know if it's not safe for black people, then I am really upset about it.

So, let's start gathering some evidence.

Her hypothesis is Florida is not safe for people of color.

Great, let's look at some of the facts.

The head of the NAACP has a home there.

Okay, well, now wait a minute.

Maybe he's not there, and he just bought a home when it was safe.

Okay.

The stats show that Florida is the leading state for black businesses and black entrepreneurs.

Well, that's weird.

Here's another one that they're banning black history.

That's why it's so unsafe.

They're banning black history.

No, they're going after things like the 1619 project, which by its own admission is not history.

It's a remagining of history.

So so far, her hypothesis is not going well.

Well, there, they just, they just banned another book.

Amanda Gorman's poem that was used at Biden's inauguration has been banned in a Florida school.

Associated Press, LA Times, USA Today, MSNBC, Rolling Stone Politico.

Is that true?

No.

A parent filed a complaint about the hill we climb and

the school K through 8 in Miami Lakes took action in response to that complaint.

What did they do?

Well, they got together, not with some crazy parent, but with teachers,

teachers

and counselors and went and looked at the book and they reclassified it and said you know what it's for middle school it shouldn't be for elementary and the book was moved from one part of the library to another part of the library

so which is telling you the truth

which

Which one is sticking to a false hypothesis that the evidence shows is not true.

This has to be done on absolutely everything.

Here's a story for you today.

Major Journal

retracts a study on socially contagious transgenderism among kids.

Now, there was a study done on the rapid onset gender dysphoria.

That is a hypothesis.

The hypothesis there is,

we think that girls going from gender dysphoria of

0.5%

a year later having it at 30%,

we should look into because there's a rapid onset of gender dysphoria mainly affecting little girls.

Why?

So they did a study.

They talked to 1,655 possible cases from parents.

And these parents went to the doctor and their kids are either in transition or not, whatever.

But what they found with these parents was the parents were concerned about their children, concerned enough to take a non-brief survey about the issues and find out what they thought was going on and their experience with this.

Well, they found out a lot

that it looks to be social media that is pushing a lot of this, that is captivating and changing our children in a really bad way.

So the paper found evidence that youth experiencing rapid onset of gender dysphoria were involved in transgender social media groups and peer groups.

It also found youth with mental health problems were more likely to have socially and medically transition than those without.

That's the fact.

So, now this is just one study,

but this one study showed the rapid onset of gender dysphoria is real and it's connected to social media, okay, and mental illness.

Well,

it was published in a very credible

magazine or

a journal.

It had been peer-reviewed.

Once it's published, you get an explosion of people who are on the other side and saying that that is not true.

They go and say, we will never publish anything and we will tell everyone who you are, you bigots, if you don't retract and apologize.

They did.

Now, the way the scientific method works is: you look at all of the evidence.

Here's one piece.

This is stopped now by someone who says, you can't even look at that.

They don't go to disprove it.

They say, take it and burn it.

Witch!

Gavin Newsom says

that

the target CEO

is

going to come for blacks and Asians and Jews and women are the next victim of a systemic attack by white radicals.

These are extremists in our community.

Now, let's, there's this hypothesis.

The people that are protesting are the extremists in our society.

Okay.

I know my wife.

She is pretty even-keeled.

Otherwise, I'd be dead by now.

She's very even-keeled.

She's not an extremist, and she shops at Target.

I know a lot of her friends.

They shop at Target.

And they were all horrified that satanic transgender crap was being sold right at the front, you know, where all the Halloween Halloween candy is when it's Halloween, for a month.

Target makes this transgender, LGBTQ, I2 plus, whatever, all of that stuff right at the front, including girls' swimsuits made for men so they can tuck it.

Now,

are the people who say, no, no, no, no.

No,

this is not

something as a society we should be.

Look, if you want to buy a swimsuit, I'm sure you're an adult.

You can go find a swimsuit with the tuck-it pocket in it.

We do not need this in front of the store of Target.

And

we're not doing any, your name, by the way, is Target.

So don't talk to me about being dangerous with language.

We're not saying,

you know, we're going to burn your store.

We're saying we're just not going to shop there anymore.

Just not going to shop there.

Just like we don't drink light beer anymore, you know, bud light light beer anymore.

Now, the other extremist is saying, the other side is saying these are dangerous extremists.

That doesn't fit in the bucket.

You have to dismiss the evidence of who is saying this.

They say it's good for business, but we know they lost share.

They lost

money on the stock market here just recently, like 3%,

and they're losing customers.

So, how is this association with the transgender Satanist, how is this good for business?

Well, I have a hypothesis.

It is good for business.

But, see, if you only measure the things that are obvious, you may not be able to see the full picture.

How is this good for business?

Well

who owns Target?

Who are the major shareholders?

Here are the top 10 holders of Target Corporation stock.

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It is good for business.

These are all the people that are voting with their shares, ESG.

And if you have these people owning your company, of course you're going to do that and you're going to say it's good for business in the long term because they've already made the decision where

the american people and the people of the world where they're mentally supposed to be on issues like this and it's just a matter of time until we get all of these bigots to accept it

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Glenn, I'm doing so well.

It's great to be here.

I was listening to you talk about me before the break.

I was thinking, who's this guy he's talking about?

That's terrifying.

I promise I'm not that scary.

I know we've met before, haven't we?

We met at your dad's house, dad and mom's house.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's right.

Years ago.

And I remember thinking, boy, these parents of this man, they are amazing.

And now reading your book, I have to tell you,

I love your father.

I love him to death.

He has got to be just beaming with what you have written.

This is brilliant, Spencer.

Really is.

I'm very touched by that.

Thank you.

I was extremely lucky in both of my parents, my mom and my dad.

My father, of course, disavows all ownership over me, and we like to joke that we're not related to one another.

But no, he's

no, I learned a great deal of what I know from him.

And in part, I wrote this book out of the love that he instilled in me of great literature and of Western sense.

So let's talk about it.

You break up the saving of the West into

five different categories.

The crisis of reality, the crisis of body, the crisis of meaning, the crisis of religion, and the crisis of regime.

You start with

reality, and

it's just, it's so spot on.

Can you take us there first?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Let me say a little bit for a second about what I mean by the word crisis, because I think that's one of the most overused words in the world.

You know, you wake up every morning and there's a supply chain crisis and a COVID crisis and any number of other things.

And, you know, of course, many of those things are quite serious and troublesome.

But when I use the word crisis, I'm drawing on this Greek idea, which is where the word comes from.

The Greek verb crino means to judge or to make a decision.

And so a crisis, a crisis, is a time for choosing.

It's a moment of being presented with two fundamentally unreconcilable ways of looking at the world.

And so

hang on just a second.

Let me just say to the audience, the whole book is like that, and it's fantastic.

Anyway, go ahead.

Here I am.

This is my jam.

No idea.

Absolutely.

I mean, you know, this, once you start to see this, the reason that the book is written this way is that once you start to see this, you understand that underneath the kind of daily news cycle stories that we're constantly inundated with, they all feel kind of confusing and disorienting, but that's because we haven't really connected ourselves to the deeper questions that are at stake behind some of these things.

You know, you hear about things like the metaverse and virtual reality, which is how the book starts, or you hear about, you know, all this new kind of tech and the strange things that are happening.

And what this stuff is really doing is it's forcing us to grapple with some of the most fundamental questions that humankind has ever wrestled with.

And weirdly, that's kind of good news because it means we're not alone.

It means that the greatest minds that have ever lived have wrestled and thought with this stuff.

We don't have to face it just based on what the CDC or the WEF says tomorrow or Dr.

Fauci comes up with five minutes ago.

We actually have resources for dealing with this.

And the very first question that we are up against whenever we start to think about these profound questions is the crisis of reality.

And that's, is there anything that is absolutely true and absolutely false, no matter who says otherwise?

Or is it all just kind of my truth, your truth?

And that's sort of how we how we feel about it.

And this is one of the most ancient questions in philosophy.

It's how the book begins, because I think it's the first question you have to answer before you can proceed in any sort of meaningful direction.

So can you, I mean, you lay out the case so well.

Can you give a two-minute

version of

reality and the collapse of reality and what we're really

we should be asking ourselves?

Yeah, absolutely.

So

from the very beginning of Western thought, there has been this temptation to say, well, how can we really know anything that's true or false?

And the temptation is always that if you don't have to acknowledge reality, if you don't have to say that a man is a man and a woman is a woman, that good is good and wrong is wrong, then you can do all sorts of things.

You can gain all sorts of power over the world by twisting and distorting reality.

But the thing that I argue in the book is there is no halfway house on this stuff.

People think that they they can say, oh, well, it's just my truth and your truth when it comes to morality, but I want to fight for social justice and I want to believe in the good and the virtuous.

Well, the thing about it is if you're talking about, if you want to do anything good or virtuous, you have to believe there's such a thing as goodness and virtue.

And that means that there actually is truth.

We can know it.

And unless we believe that, all we are is grappling for power with one another.

And that's what we're seeing right now.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So the crisis of meaning, we have lost meaning of words and of life.

Talk about that.

Yes.

That's right.

Well, when you talk about meaning, you're saying that the words we use aren't just word games.

They're not just for fun.

They're actually referring to something outside of ourselves, outside of the human body, outside of just our little minds and the way we happen to want to live our lives.

And the reason that this is so difficult for people is that if you're talking about things that are outside of yourself, you're ultimately going to get to the thing that is highest above you, that is most outside of you.

That's the supernatural, and that's

the divine.

And we've been sold this bill of goods that, you know, God and theology, this is a kind of backwards, outdated superstition.

Nobody believes in that anymore.

And the more we do that, the blinder we become to this whole universe that is still exists.

It doesn't stop.

existing just because we say it's not there.

We just don't realize what we're doing.

And so we become these kind of blind worshipers of, you know, the science or BLM or whatever we want to bend the knee to.

And we don't realize that we've just become pagan worshipers by another name.

And so to really recover a sense of meaning that won't enslave us but will set us free, we've got to let the divine back into our lives.

Aaron Powell, Jr.: So

we have just,

you know, we see half the country.

And there's a lot of people, like, for instance, I think Elon Musk is one of these.

You have a lot of really great people who are probably more classical liberals

that

have looked at things and went, okay, wait, there's no evidence.

In fact, all the evidence goes in the opposite direction.

We've got to stop this.

And they're not changing.

You know, they're not suddenly becoming conservatives.

But half of the country is just locked in on things that do not make sense.

They didn't make sense in theory.

And And now we're seeing the fruits of it all across the country.

What is happening to them and how do we reconnect?

Well, I think that those people that you're describing who are, you know, I would say enthrall to a kind of woke dogma, those people are being offered an alternative religion.

And it doesn't call itself a religion, but it has all the characteristics of a religion.

It involves begging for forgiveness.

It involves this this ultimate kind of quest for apocalyptic utopia where everything is going to come out okay and the world is going to be cleansed in a divine fire.

It has all the hallmarks of religion because people are craving, craving something that gives meaning and direction to their lives.

And I think that as conservatives, as people that think this stuff doesn't make any sense, we have to recognize that

we're not just going to argue people out of this by presenting them a budget sheet by saying, oh, the economy is going to go better if you do it this way rather than that way.

What we actually have to say is the thing that you're yearning for, the meaning,

the significance, the passion that you are yearning for in this woke madness, the reality of it, the truth of it, is in the great tradition, is in the divine truths of scripture, is in the great adventure of philosophy.

We've got to present this stuff as the joy that it is.

And that's cultural, that's spiritual, that's not just political.

So I think that the, you know, the right and even just normal people that can see this stuff is going terribly wrong, we're going to have to offer a countervailing vision, a vision of the great tradition and the great adventure that we're all on of carrying that flame forward, because that's the only thing that can answer the real needs of the human heart.

Spencer Clavin, the name of the book is How to Save the West.

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You don't lord it over anybody's head.

And even though

there is one sentence in your book that I think has three words that I've never heard of before,

I still

get it.

You're not talking over people's heads.

You get it.

And I just.

Go ahead.

I actually did not go to grad school for the purposes of feeling better than everybody else.

I think that puts me in a vanishingly small minority.

Yeah, it does.

Yeah, it does.

It does.

You're not

right.

I mean,

you're not spouting knowledge to show everybody how smart you are.

You are connecting the dots and telling stories that

most of us haven't learned, or we learned a little bit and forgot, and you've thought deeply about them.

And we are at a time.

I've been saying this forever.

We have to define what life is because AI is coming and people will say that's alive.

So

what do you do?

But if it's alive, are you a slave owner by keeping it and we're having it work for you for free?

Should it vote if it's alive?

I mean,

we are going to have to re-answer all of the most basic questions.

And I think that's what your book gets to.

That's absolutely right.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Well, it speaks actually to what you were saying about not lording

the great books or the canon over people.

That's incredibly important to me.

That's really personal from my perspective, because these things, these books that sit up on the shelf and we kind of think of them as big, scary words, Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics,

we treat them as if they're beyond us or even maybe they're kind of

outdated or they're not worth reading.

And we've been told this by our kind of cultural legislators, by the people that said, hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.

And for me, growing up in a house filled with these books, one thing I really quickly realized is that these great minds are not there to intimidate us.

They're actually our greatest friends in the world.

They're there to teach us about what it means to be human and how to be good at being human.

And that's not something for eggheads like me to specialize in.

That's something for everybody to care deeply about.

We all do.

And so when you crack open a book like that, you'll find so much more sanity and common sense than you will from our kind of modern gurus on a lot of this.

And what's amazing is you find that you are not alone.

That, I mean, I remember when I first, I had to be 30 when I first started reading Plato.

I mean, really reading it to learn something.

And I was shocked at how relevant it was.

It was like, oh my gosh, I'm struggling with that now.

Oh, my gosh, I understand that problem.

And

we lose that because our history has been so poorly taught that we think these things are just incredibly boring, but the answers are all there because these are eternal truths, or at least the search for an eternal truth.

You say,

save the West,

and we are looking at a time where it looks like America could, I mean, just go down at any time.

Is there anything about

this time that gives you hope that you're seeing that we are different than the past?

Or is it kind of inevitable?

You know, this is one of those questions that I have wrestled with myself.

And I know probably everybody listening to us right now is worried about this very thing.

What's going to happen to us?

And a lot of the times this gets framed in terms of like, are you an optimist or are you a pessimist?

Right?

Do you think everything is going to go great or everything is going to go poorly?

And one thing I've realized is that both optimism and pessimism are kind of mistakes because they're predictions about the future.

If you're an optimist, you think everything's going to go well.

Maybe you don't work hard to preserve the great tradition.

If you're a pessimist, you think it's going to go badly.

Why would you do anything?

And so my question always is: where do you put your hope?

Where does your hope lie?

Because hope is a virtue.

It's actually one of the central Christian virtues.

And my hope is in this tradition that I am delivering, which has endured both the rising and the falling of great nations.

Doesn't matter, it's a matter of indifference.

It doesn't mean it's a matter of indifference what happens in our politics.

It just means that the things of the world, which are beyond our control, are

going to transpire, you know, whether we choose them or not.

That's how it works.

What's in our our control is the preservation of the Western tradition, of virtue, of the small, human-sized, face-to-face practice of courage, integrity,

reason,

prudence, these sorts of things, which people like Plato talk about, they take place at the dinner table.

They take place in neighborhoods.

They take place in schools.

And that's why we're seeing so much energy in these local communities, even as everything seems to be going terribly wrong on the world stage.

The more people invest in their states, in their towns, in their families, in their churches, the more we start to see that actually, you know, the West is not some grand narrative that's outside of our understanding or control.

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They're asking, should businesses back away from this?

Because what happened to Bud Light and what's currently going on with Target?

Listen to the analysis.

What advice could you give companies that sort of get swept up in this?

Well,

the issue is who are you beholden to?

Are you beholden?

You're beholden to many different

stakeholders, but in particular, you're beholden to your investors.

And investors are not showing, are not pulling back from looking at how companies

there's a lot more on this, but let me just let me stop it there.

You're beholden to many stakeholders.

Okay.

That's ESG talk.

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You ready?

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They're only talking about 12 people.

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Good luck with that, Target.

Allie Stuckey is with me now from Blaze TV.

Hi, Allie.

How are you?

I know you've been all over this

and it has been shocking.

I walked into Target last Friday and

I didn't know if it had been going on.

Apparently it had just gone up.

And I looked at my wife and I said, we are not shopping here.

This is way over the line.

Right, right.

And apparently I wasn't alone with that.

Yeah, you know, some people started boycotting a long time ago.

I started boycotting a year ago.

So I was even kind of late to the game.

In some ways, some people were boycotting when they were allowing men into women's restrooms, which they were ahead of the game on that.

But I started boycotting last year when I saw that they were selling in the name of Pride Month, these compression tops, which they're selling again this year for young girls who want to pretend to be boys to look like boys.

And I just thought, there's really no more wicked message than that, that your body is bad, that God made a mistake with you.

And we will help you cover up the body that God gave you so that you can pretend to be something else.

Like, how self-loathing is that?

And then, now, as you've already talked about, they have the same thing for boys with the tucking swimsuits and all that.

And I just said, you know what?

I don't boycott everything.

I don't divest from every corporation that doesn't agree with all my values, but I'm already spending too much money at Target.

Those Target runs end up, you know, racking the bill with things that you don't really need.

And I can't spend that much money on a company that is directly opposing everything that I am fighting for.

So I know it sounds difficult, but I stopped shopping there a year ago and I haven't looked back.

I have to tell you,

I think if this becomes a Bud Light thing,

the entire thing begins to fall apart because Bud Light expected a hit and then turn it around.

But if people start to look at Target like I now look at Target and go, you are an enemy.

to my family.

Yes.

Then things begin to change.

When somebody walks into the kitchen with a Target bag and somebody else says, you shopped at Target?

Right.

That's when it's over.

Yep, absolutely.

And they just took it a step too far.

Even for the people who are like, okay, I can tolerate the rainbows.

That's fine.

It's one segment, whatever.

But when you're talking about bathing suits meant to cover up male genitalia for pretty young boys, it looks like, depending on, you know, the product that you're looking at.

I mean, really, if you're associating with that.

And I just want to say, because because it's really suburban women, suburban moms that are propping up Target.

And I would say a lot of Christian women, a lot of women go there specifically for Chip and Joanna's Magnolia line.

That's another one that people should be writing to Chip and Joanna and saying, are you seeing what's going on?

How can you remain silent with a partner that is doing this?

I mean, I know they have.

contracts and it you know something you walk away from but you should at least speak out right Right.

And, you know,

it's not like they don't speak out about other things because a few years ago, after the whole George Floyd debacle, they did make statements about, you know, the dangers of racism and white supremacy and doing better and doing the work.

So they're okay with speaking out about some social justice issues.

But guys, you have represented yourself as strong Christians, as defenders of the Christian faith.

And family.

And family.

And so at this point, I do think that their silence is strange.

Yeah.

So do you think this is something that we've seen the biggest part of or do you think this becomes a bud light thing i think that as long as those of us who have a microphone or anyone who has influence whether it's small or large continues this continues to double down don't take their little statements their moving the segments to other parts of the store as oh we won no you double down i'm asking people at least for the month of june and i know some people think that they are totally dependent on target and that's another conversation for another day At least for the month of June, women, Christian women, suburban moms, do not shop at Target, at least for the month of June.

I think that can make a difference.

I will tell you,

they will wait it out.

But Bud Light is now six weeks into it.

Is that right?

Six, seven weeks?

Yes.

Six weeks.

And they're down 30% or 29% now.

And they're freaking out now.

They expect us, because we don't do this.

They expect us just to go along.

And I think

we've hit a turning point in all of this

to where people

with Bud Light,

it doesn't make sense that we didn't do anything about Nike.

And yet, here comes Bud Light, and all of a sudden, there's something that has happened in the minds of Americans.

Yeah.

And I'm hoping that this is the next shoot-to-fall because if it happens to Target and Bud Light, the number one beer in America, it happens to those two, it will put all corporations on notice.

Something's changed.

We're not, they're not going to take it.

Look, the idea of boys being able to come, become girls and vice versa, and all of the bodily mutilation that we've seen come from that, whether you consider yourself an independent or whether you're a Christian or not, that's just too far for people.

I mean, obviously, as a Christian, I'm for traditional marriage and all of that.

But even just for the non-religious, non-conservative person, the idea of a little boy being told to talk is just too far.

It's insanity.

And I think that's why.

I think that's why it's changed to this year.

I think that's why there's more vitriol and because there's a lot of disgust and a lot of depravity that people don't want to be a part of.

It's evil.

It's evil.

And it is, it is so, it is a slap against the face of every woman, every girl to bind.

Would anyone go to a place that was like, hey, women, you should bind your feet like they used to in

China?

Right.

No, we know that's horrible.

You now want to bind women's breasts?

This is so far over the line that,

and then on top of it, the fact that they are doing business with a designer who is a Satanist and has no problem saying it.

And some of his designs are like, what was it?

Satan.

Satan respects pronouns.

Also, murderous things of like time's up for homophobes or a homophobe headrest, which was actually a picture of a geek.

So, I mean, this is a murderous person that the people at Target were like, yes, we want to partner with you.

I can't believe how deeply it goes.

Because

that's not just a corporate decision to say, hey, let's get into the LGBTQ because of the S in ESG.

No, no, no.

This is a fundamental problem in Target.

If your company has now started to bring Satanists in, known Satanists, and you're selling their product that talks about Satan,

you've got a deep, deep problem at the core of you.

And by ignoring it, it doesn't get better.

It will only get worse.

Don't

do not shop at Target.

Don't.

Tell everybody you know, don't.

I'm telling you, this is a big moment.

If we actually take this moment seriously and start drawing lines in the sand and saying, no,

you might make all your money on Wall Street, but you will not make it from me.

You'll change the world.

You'll change the world.

Yes, and amen.

Keep the fight going.

Thank you.

You too.

You bet.

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Hello, you sick twisted freak.

Get up, my phone.

Welcome to the program.

I'm glad you're here.

I'm not, I don't mean that to you, Stu.

I thought I was looking at you when I said it.

I didn't mean to

you.

I appreciate that.

Yeah.

What do you think about that?

You mentioned earlier that you went through the monologue on the scientific method and applying it to news gathering and what's the truth and what narrative is going to be true.

And I think now

it is so easy.

Now,

maybe eight years ago, it wasn't because everything was a hypothesis.

Let's reimagine the police.

Okay.

No, it's not going to work.

But it was my word against your word.

Now we have the evidence.

Now we know.

So

everything that is happening right now, you can

look at the scientific method, which is If you look at every

story that you see as a hypothesis,

Then you gather the facts.

And you gather the facts and you'll see really quickly,

no, that story's not true.

And the honest people then change the hypothesis because the scientific method proves that hypothesis wrong.

This is the problem with our society.

Everybody's doubling down.

Crime is through the roof.

What are they doing?

Doubling down.

Why?

Based on on what evidence?

Your hypothesis was we can help people.

No, you're getting people killed and robbed and raped.

We know that.

So you got a new hypothesis.

I'm less likely to listen to you this next time.

But do you have a new one?

Because the old one you're still operating on is wrong.

Is wrong.

I think looking at the news through that lens is really helpful

because we often, I think, just kind of go into our own, our own little circles and talk to people.

But like, you don't, I mean, you know, the average person doesn't sit around and like analyze every motivation behind every news story.

That's not supposed to be their job.

The media is supposed to be there to serve people and to help them understand things.

Instead, it winds up being the opposite.

They're trying to hide the truth from you.

So let's just go with this.

This Fox News banner right now, Democrats mock GOP hearing on gas stove ban.

The GOP, their hypothesis is you're banning gas stoves.

The GOP or the Democrats are saying that's ridiculous.

Well, let's see if the GOP hypothesis is correct.

What do you have?

14 states that are now banning all new construction of gas stoves?

You have the federal government and the EPA trying to pass regulation and get things done because they say it's indoor pollution.

What do you think?

I mean,

how is that?

Their hypothesis

is right, the GOP, the hypothesis of the Democrats mocking and saying that's ridiculous is clearly wrong.

Yeah, it's funny too, because there's just this like trail of these narratives that they often bump into each other.

Like the narrative of this is a conspiracy theory is from two months ago.

When this all started, they said it was a conspiracy theory.

Of course, we're not going to do that.

Well, in the interim, states like New York have come out and banned gas stoves and new construction.

Correct.

Right.

So California.

California.

They're either moving or have done it.

So now this old narrative whose time has run out is still being repeated by the left.

And you can tell the hypocrisy very easily because they're doing both of them at the same time.

And so this should build on itself.

Like you said, they're connected.

This should build on itself.

Once you see, oh, that hypothesis is wrong.

Wait a minute, that hypothesis earlier also wrong.

And then you said the same thing about this one, and that was wrong.

Then you tie it together, and you know what source to go to.

Yeah, maybe I shouldn't be trusting this source.

Yeah, this source is unreliable.

Unreliable.

And they just think, and look, I think right, I think they're correct in this, unfortunately.

But I think they just assume people won't do that work.

And you shouldn't have to do that work.

But if you don't, you will get taken by a bunch of people who want to take you.

May God forget all of us who are exchanging our convenience

for the death of our country.

It's time, gang.

We're no longer playing a game here.

You have to choose what is most important in your life.

If freedom for your children is important, and I put that right at the top,

that's how I prioritize my time.

What you have been doing clearly isn't working.

So now, my hypothesis is we should get engaged in the...

program.