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Governor Ron DeSantis from Florida announced yesterday, he is formally announced, that he is running for President of the United States.

And so it begins.

And it's going to be an interesting 18 months.

Welcome to the program.

Governor DeSantis, how are you, sir?

I'm doing great, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

Enjoyed it.

Not the first 20 minutes.

That That must have been incredibly frustrating for you with the technical problems, but it was the largest audience gathered on Twitter.

Yeah, I mean, I was just kind of sitting in Tal ASCII.

Like, I didn't really know what was going on because Twitter handled all of that.

And they were just getting so many people above and beyond what they've ever gotten that I think it kind of melted the servers.

But they were able to correct it, and we were able to do an announcement that I think, you know obviously i laid out the case at the beginning for for five or six minutes but then we were able to to talk about actual issues that that people uh should care about and um i think it's now up to eight or nine million people have viewed it across some of the the platforms that have that have featured it and obviously when elon's involved you get a lot of buzz out of it so we're getting huge feedback and raising money and doing all that uh which is great we were talking uh earlier today stu and i about about this choice that you have always had this approach where you don't care what the New York Times says.

You're not sitting down trying to get

a puff piece out of the New York Times.

You know you're not going to get one, so you just ignore them.

And

I think that's really, really smart, but very different.

This, too, I think, is going to be remembered as the Clinton MTV or

Arsenio Hall program.

This is really smart to do.

Does this

assign the end of the mainstream media going right straight to people?

Well, I think what Elon's done is he's opened up Twitter.

I mean, the social networks, when they first came on the scene, had a lot of potential because we could go around legacy media and we could converse with ourselves.

And that was a big threat to them.

And so they really helped lobby companies like Facebook to start censoring.

And then it got to the point where not only were they trying to enforce a narrative, the tech companies were colluding with federal agencies like the FBI and the CDC to censor and stifle dissent.

And so Elon, I think, has put his money where his mouth is, gotten one of those platforms and opened it up.

So I think open platforms are good for conservatives because it allows us to go around the filter.

But I do think we have a huge battle on our hands about tech censorship writ large.

What Elon's done is great, but how many people are worth $250 billion where they could afford to just wait, you know, put $54 billion down to buy a social platform?

And so tech censorship, I think, is going to continue to be an issue.

I think we've not dealt with it in Florida.

We're going to do more as president, of course, to make sure that the First Amendment actually means something because you can't let the government subcontract out censorship to Silicon Valley and say you still have a First Amendment.

Okay, so let me talk to you about the government: FBI, DOJ, IRS, NSA, CIA, ATF, everything.

Even the Capitol Police now are an intelligence gathering agency.

How do you even run a campaign when you know the all-of-government approach to the last election?

How do you, if you win, how do you dismantle this?

Because it's almost like a unplug it and plug it back in and reset it to factory settings.

I mean, it's cleaning house.

And I think that this is a fundamental problem.

So we will look at like an example of weaponization, which is obviously many examples, but that's kind of the end point.

Like, why are we here?

And the reason that we're here is because we have these agencies that have been detached from constitutional accountability.

There was never supposed to be a fourth branch of government, but Congress has not held them accountable with the power of the purse or with legislating more precisely.

And presidents have not been willing to wield Article II power to discipline the bureaucracy.

So I think I'll come in and on day one we'll be spitting nails.

I understand and all your listeners should understand that if we do everything right, if we're disciplined, if we're strong as anyone could be, it still takes a two-term project.

I think it takes eight years to be able to reconstitutionalize this government.

But the question it raises is do we govern ourselves or do we not?

Because right now, the most significant issues tend not to be resolved by our elected representatives.

They're done by these bureaucrats and through these agencies.

And so it's really, I think, a crisis of self-government.

Now, what you have with lack of accountability, you just have a

consolidation of power amongst people that all have the same worldview.

And so their worldview is different than our worldview, and they view people like us as factions that they want to exert power over.

And so the weaponization, I think, flows from human nature.

So what would I do, you know, day one, first of all, I already said new FBI director, day one.

That is a no-brainer.

You've got to do that.

I'll have an attorney general that has a backbone, an attorney general that recognizes if you are doing your job properly, you are going to be pilloried by the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN.

And so if that's not something that you're comfortable with, then don't even apply for this job.

Understand you're going into the lion's den.

These people do do not want to give up this power willingly, and so they're going to smear you, they're going to attack you.

So I think getting the personnel right,

if you can't do that, then it's just not going to work at all.

Second thing I think is you've got to be willing to use Article II authority to its fullest extent.

The idea that some FBI agent can collude with a tech company to censor like Hunter Biden, you should be firing these people.

You have the authority to do it.

Yes, it'll be contested.

They'll sue you.

But who gets the Article II power?

The person that wins the Electoral College or some middle managing bureaucrat in the IRS or the FBI?

So asserting that authority, making sure that you have political control over those agencies, that is a huge battle.

It's something you've got to be disciplined about.

It's something you've got to be strategic about.

And it's not something that anyone's really tried to do because, you know, these are tough fights.

I mean, it's like trench warfare.

And you've got to be ready on day one.

And we will, and incidentally,

who's the attorney general, very important, but it's also important who's in, you know, a step or two below that across all these agencies.

And I think you need to have thousands of people ready to go.

So, are you

know, one of the things that really bothers me about the Republicans is the Democrats were

gaming and putting everything

into

uh uh the the obama bill when he walked in that thing was 2 000 pages long they had worked on that for years are you assembling teams and talking about what to do and so you could just launch if you would win absolutely and so first of all uh we're working with allied conservative organizations who are already collecting resumes from people around the country and i will have a message if i'm in you know if i'm in nevada i'm going to say look some of you who are in this audience, you may need to pick up your family and move to Washington, D.C.

for two, four, six years because you can't just recycle everybody from D.C.

It's not going to change if that's the case.

And so you really need to have most of these people descending on D.C.

from outside the country.

What we're also going to do is I'll issue a directive to all these agencies that they need to reduce the footprint of their agencies in D.C.

by at least 50%.

Oh, my God.

Because I think what's happened is, you know, know,

the government, the size of it is one thing, of course, but the consolidation of it in Washington, I think, has been totally toxic.

You know, you have a place in Washington, D.C.

It votes 95% Democrat.

I think Trump got 4 or 5 percent of the vote in 2020.

And so this is totally not

representative of the public as a whole.

And I think the founders would look at that, and I think they would say, like, that is a huge, huge problem.

So dispersing power out of DC yes reducing the government overall but whatever government you have we want less consolidation in D.C.

and I think that that will make a difference so governor the one thing that Donald Trump will have going for him in spades is the economy people will trust him on the economy he's already done it once he's known as a businessman

What are you bringing to the table to this all-out war on the American dream?

Corporations have been weaponized.

Red tape, all of the stuff that's going on.

You'll have the Fed against you, the big banks.

How do you change the economy?

Well, look, I would just say push back a little bit.

I mean, I think he did great for three years, but when he turned the country over to Fauci in March of 2020, that destroyed millions of people's lives.

And in Florida, we were one of the few that stood up, cut against the grain, took incoming fire from media, bureaucracy, the left, even a lot of Republicans, had schools open, preserved businesses.

And so Florida since COVID has outperformed virtually any state in the country when you look at all these significant metrics.

I mean we're booming.

We've got people moving in here.

Wealth is coming in here.

And so I think when people look back, you know, that 2020 year was not a good year for the country as a whole.

It was a situation where Florida started to stand alone.

So I think that that's an important contrast.

Now going forward, yes, you rip up what Biden's done on day one with things like energy.

They are trying to price middle-class people out of having a middle-class standard of living.

We're not going to force people to buy electric vehicles.

We're going to make sure that people have a choice to have affordable transportation.

We absolutely

reduce federal spending.

We're going to fight with the Congress on that.

I mean, I think the debt has gone up under both Republican and Democrat.

I mean, we act like it's just Biden, went up eight trillion the debt under Trump as well.

And so we've got to stop doing that.

That has absolutely driven the inflation since March of twenty twenty with all the borrowing and spending.

I also think we need to have the Federal Reserve focus on stable money and stop trying to be the economic central planner.

You look at how much money they've printed since COVID.

Of course, you're going to get inflation when that happens.

So you need a major overhaul with the Federal Reserve.

And then, yes, fighting woke capital.

Woke capital is absolutely bad for the average American because they're pursuing an ideological agenda to achieve ideological left-wing goals that are going to make it harder for the average American family to make ends meet.

May I ask you a question?

First of all, we are doing

sit-downs with each candidate.

You've already done one, but as governor, not as a candidate.

Will you sit down

and just talk about your policies with me?

Oh, yeah, of course.

Absolutely.

Would you be for

a

debate or a roundtable

hosted by, for instance, us that would not necessarily get the backing of the Republicans?

I think the Republican Party

controls these debates so much, and we keep going back to the mainstream media.

And I don't understand why.

You guys should absolutely do a debate, and the RNC should sanction it.

I mean, here's the thing, Glenn, with corporate media.

Some will say, because I say they shouldn't be involved in our process because they're hostile to us as Republicans.

They have a partisan agenda, which is fine.

It's a free country.

And people say, oh, well, you just don't want them to ask Republicans tough questions.

No, their gotcha questions are not tough tough questions.

Their questions are designed to further a narrative.

Correct.

Questions, though, are not illuminating to Republican primary voters because they're not one of us.

And so when you have people who live in kind of our world, you are going to be asking the tougher questions.

They're not going to be gotcha questions, but they're going to be substantive and they're going to require candidates to actually go beneath a talking point to talk about their vision for the country on these various issues.

And so I think you guys should do it.

I'd love to be a part of it.

But I absolutely think the RNC should sanction it because you've seen what happened in 2015 or 16 with some of those debates.

It was a mockery

what these legacy media outs were doing.

And their whole goal is to try to make the Republican candidates look as ridiculous as possible.

They do not want us to be to look like we're serious people.

They want to be able to plow the field to to get Biden reelected.

So we know that that's their agenda.

So why would you want to give them a platform to be able to be involved in our process?

I can tell you in Florida, we had four congressional seats that were open seats.

Republicans ended up winning, and there were primaries in all of them.

We sanctioned debates with the state party, and we had conservative journalists and moderators doing debates.

And guess what?

They were great substantive debates, and the issues that people actually care about in our party were discussed.

Well, I will tell you that as we took a stand for Harmeet Dylan, we didn't make any friends at the GOP national level.

But thank you so much for coming on.

Congratulations on the rollout yesterday.

We

look forward to hearing more from you

and all the best.

We'll definitely sit down with you and I'd love for all your folks out there.

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Spencer, how are you, sir?

Glenn, I'm doing so well.

It's great to be here.

I was listening to you talk about me before the break.

I was thinking, who's this guy he's talking about?

Terrifying.

I promise I'm not that scary.

I know we've met before, haven't we?

We met at your dad's house, dad and mom's house.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's right.

Years ago.

And I remember thinking, boy, these parents of this man, they are amazing.

And now reading your book, I have to tell you,

I love your father.

I love him to death.

He has got to be just

beaming.

with what you have written.

This is brilliant, Spencer.

Really is.

I'm very touched by that.

Thank you.

I was extremely lucky in both of my parents, my mom and my dad.

My father, of course, disavows all ownership over me, and we like to joke that we're not related to one another.

But no, he's

no, I learned a great deal of what I know from him.

And in part, I wrote this book out of the love that he instilled in me of great literature and of Western sense.

So let's talk about it.

You break up the saving of the West into

five different categories.

The crisis of reality, the crisis of body, the crisis of meaning, the crisis of religion, and the crisis of regime.

You start with

reality, and

it's just, it's so spot on.

Can you take us there first?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Let me say a little bit for a second about what I mean by the word crisis, because I think that's one of the most overused words in the world.

You know, you wake up every morning and there's a supply chain chain crisis and a COVID crisis and any number of other things.

And, you know, of course, many of those things are quite serious and troublesome.

But when I use the word crisis, I'm drawing on this Greek idea, which is where the word comes from.

The Greek verb crino means to judge or to make a decision.

And so a chris, a crisis, is a time for choosing.

It's a moment of being presented with two fundamentally unreconcilable ways of looking at the world.

And so when I say,

hang just a second.

Let me just say to the audience, the whole book is like that, and it's fantastic.

Anyway, go ahead.

Here I am.

This is my jam.

No idea.

Absolutely.

I mean, you know, this, once you start to see this, the reason that the book is written this way is that once you start to see this, you understand that underneath the kind of daily news cycle stories that we're constantly inundated with, they all feel kind of confusing and disorienting.

But that's because we haven't really connected ourselves to the deeper questions that are at stake behind some of these things.

You know, you hear about things like the metaverse and virtual reality, which is how the book starts, or you hear about, you know, all this new kind of tech and the strange things that are happening.

And what this stuff is really doing is it's forcing us to grapple with some of the most fundamental questions that humankind has ever wrestled with.

And weirdly, that's kind of good news because it means we're not alone.

It means that the greatest minds that have ever lived have wrestled and thought with this stuff.

We don't have to face it just based on what the CDC or the WEF says tomorrow or Dr.

Fauci comes up with five minutes ago.

We actually have resources for dealing with this.

And the very first question that we are up against whenever we start to think about these profound questions is the crisis of reality.

And that's is there anything that is absolutely true and absolutely false, no matter who says otherwise?

Or is it all just kind of my truth, your truth?

And that's sort of how we feel about it.

And this is one of the most ancient questions in philosophy.

It's how the book begins, because I think it's the first question you have to answer before you can proceed in any sort of meaningful direction.

So can you, I mean, you lay out the case so well.

Can you give a two-minute

version of

reality and the collapse of reality and what we're really,

we should be asking ourselves?

Yeah, absolutely.

So

from the very beginning of Western thought, there has been this temptation to say, well, how can we really know anything that's true or false?

And the temptation is always that if you don't

have to acknowledge reality, if you don't have to say that a man is a man and a woman is a woman, that good is good and wrong is wrong, then you can do all sorts of things.

You can gain all sorts of power over the world by twisting and distorting reality.

But the thing that I argue in the book is there is no halfway house on this stuff.

People think that they can say, oh, well, it's just my truth and your your truth when it comes to, you know, morality, but I want to fight for social justice and I want to believe in the good and the virtuous.

Well, the thing about it is, if you're talking about, if you want to do anything good or virtuous, you have to believe there's such a thing as goodness and virtue.

And that means that there actually is truth.

We can know it.

And unless we believe that, all we are is grappling for power with one another.

And that's what we're seeing right now.

So the crisis of meaning, we have lost meaning of words and of life.

Talk about that.

Yes.

That's right.

Well, when you talk about meaning, you're saying that the words we use aren't just word games.

They're not just for fun.

They're actually referring to something outside of ourselves, outside of the human body, outside of just our little, you know, minds and the way we happen to want to live our lives.

And the reason that this is so difficult for people is that if you're talking about things that are outside of yourself, you're ultimately going to get to the thing that is highest above you, that is most outside of you.

That's the supernatural, and that's

the divine.

And we've been sold this bill of goods that, you know, God and theology, this is a kind of backwards, outdated superstition.

Nobody believes in that anymore.

And the more we do that, the blinder we become to this whole universe that is still exists.

It doesn't stop existing just because we say it's not there.

We just don't realize what we're doing.

And so we become these kind of blind worshipers of, you know, the science or BLM or whatever we want to bend the knee to.

And we don't realize that we've just become pagan worshipers by another name.

And so to really recover a sense of meaning that won't enslave us but will set us free, we've got to let the divine back into our lives.

Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.: So

we have just,

you know, we see half the country.

And there's a lot of people, like, for instance, I think Elon Musk is one of these.

You have a lot of really great people who are probably more classical liberals

that

have looked at things and went, okay, wait, there's no evidence.

In fact, all the evidence goes in the opposite direction.

We got to stop this.

And they're not changing.

You know, they're not suddenly becoming conservatives.

But half of the country is just locked in on things that do not make sense.

They didn't make sense in theory.

And now we're seeing the fruits of it all across the country.

What is happening to them, and how do we reconnect?

Well, I think that those people that you're describing who are, you know, I would say enthrall to a kind of woke dogma, those people are being offered an alternative religion.

And it doesn't call itself a religion, but it has all the characteristics of a religion.

It involves begging for forgiveness.

It involves this ultimate kind of quest for apocalyptic utopia where everything is going to come out okay and the world is going to be cleansed in a divine fire.

It has all the hallmarks of religion because people are craving, craving something that gives meaning and direction to their lives.

And I think that as conservatives, as people that think this stuff doesn't make any sense, we have to recognize that

we're not just going to argue people out of this by presenting them a budget sheet, by saying, oh, the economy is going to go better if you do it this way rather than that way.

What we actually have to say is the thing that you're yearning for, the meaning,

the significance, the passion that you are yearning for in this woke madness, the reality of it, the truth of it, is in the great tradition, is in the divine truths of scripture, is in the great adventure of philosophy.

We've got to present this stuff.

as the joy that it is.

And that's cultural, that's spiritual, that's not just political.

So I think that

the right and even just normal people that can see this stuff is going terribly wrong.

We're going to have to offer a countervailing vision, a vision of the great tradition and the great adventure that we're all on of carrying that flame forward.

Because that's the only thing that can answer the real needs of the human heart.

Spencer Clavin, the name of the book is How to Save the West.

Spencer, if you don't mind, hang on for 60 seconds.

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Spencer, you're my favorite kind of intellectual.

You don't lord it over anybody's head.

And even though

there is one sentence in your book that I think has three words that I've never heard of before,

I still

get it.

You're not talking over people's heads.

You get it.

And I just

want to say that.

I actually did not go to grad school for the purposes of feeling better than everybody else.

I think that puts me in a vanishingly small minority.

Yeah, It does.

Yeah, it does.

It does.

You're not trust, right?

I mean,

you're not spouting knowledge to show everybody how smart you are.

You are connecting the dots and telling stories that, you know, most of us haven't learned or we learned a little bit and forgot, and you've thought deeply about them.

And we are at a time.

I've been saying this forever.

We have to define what life is

because AI is coming and people will say that's that's alive.

So what do you do?

But if it's alive, are you a slave owner by keeping it and we're having it work for you for free?

Should it vote if it's alive?

I mean,

we are going to have to re-answer all of the most basic questions.

And I think that's what your book gets to.

That's absolutely right.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Well, it speaks actually to what you were saying about not lording the, you know, the great books or the canon over people.

That's incredibly important to me.

That's really personal from my perspective because these things, these books that sit up on the shelf and we kind of think of them as big, scary words, Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Nicolean Ethics,

we treat them as if they're beyond us or even maybe they're kind of

outdated or they're not worth reading.

And we've been told this by our kind of cultural legislators, by the people that said, hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.

And for me, growing up in a house filled with these books, one thing I really quickly realized is that these great minds are not there to intimidate us.

They're actually our greatest friends in the world.

They're there to teach us about what it means to be human and how to be good at being human.

And that's not something for eggheads like me to specialize in.

That's something for everybody to care deeply about.

We all do.

And so when you crack open a book like that, you'll find so much more sanity and common sense than you will from our kind of modern gurus on a lot of this.

And what's amazing is you

find that you are not alone.

That I mean, I remember when I first, I had to be 30 when I first started writing reading Plato.

I mean, really reading it to learn something.

And I was shocked at how relevant it was.

It was like, oh my gosh, I'm struggling with that now.

Oh my gosh, I understand that problem.

And

we lose that because our history has been so poorly taught that we think these things are just incredibly boring, but the answers are all there because these are eternal truths, or at least the search for an eternal truth.

You say

save the West,

and we are looking at a time where it looks like America could, I mean, just go down at any time.

Is there anything about

this time that gives you hope that you're seeing that we are different than the past?

Or is it kind of inevitable?

You know, this is one of those questions that I have wrestled with myself, and I know probably everybody listening to us right now is worried about this very thing.

What's going to happen to us?

And a lot of the times this gets gets framed in terms of like, are you an optimist or are you a pessimist, right?

Do you think everything is going to go great or everything is going to go poorly?

And one thing I've realized is that both optimism and pessimism are kind of mistakes because they're predictions about the future.

If you're an optimist, you think everything's going to go well.

Maybe you don't work hard to preserve the great tradition.

If you're a pessimist, you think it's going to go badly.

Why would you do anything?

And so my question always is: where do you put your hope?

Where does your hope lie?

Because hope is a virtue.

It's actually one of the central Christian virtues.

And my hope is in this tradition that I am delivering, which has endured both the rising and the falling of great nations.

Doesn't matter it's a matter of indifference.

It doesn't mean it's a matter of indifference what happens in our politics.

It just means that the things of the world, which are beyond our control, are

going to transpire, you know, whether we choose them or not.

That's how it works.

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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

I want you to hear

from CNN,

the corporate cost of culture wars.

They're asking, should businesses back away from this?

Because what happened to Bud Light and what's currently going on with Target?

Listen to the analysis.

What advice could you give companies that sort of get swept up in this?

Well, um

the issue is who are you beholden to are you beholden you're beholden to many different uh stakeholders but in particular you're beholden to your investors and uh investors are not showing uh are not pulled back from looking at how companies

there's a lot more on this but let me just let me stop it there you're beholden to many stakeholders okay that's ESG talk

and uh you're really you have to answer to the shareholders shareholders.

So who are the shareholders of Target?

You ready?

Vanguard with 9%.

BlackRock, 9%.

State Street, 8%.

Then another Vanguard fund with 3%.

Then Wells Fargo, then Bank of America, then another Vanguard 500 Index fund.

They're only talking about 12 people.

You've got maybe 12 people that are really die-hard into ESG at the top of these companies, and they're the ones telling these companies, you do this.

Good luck with that, Target.

Allie Stuckey is with me now from Blaze TV.

Hi, Allie.

How are you?

I know you've been all over this,

and it has been shocking.

I walked into Target last Friday, and

I didn't know if it had been going on.

Apparently, it had just gone up.

And I looked at my wife and I said, We are not shopping here.

Yeah.

This is, this is way over the line.

Right.

And apparently, I wasn't alone with that.

Yeah, you know, some people started boycotting a long time ago.

I started boycotting a year ago.

So I was even kind of late to the game.

In some ways, some people were boycotting when they were allowing men into women's restrooms, which they were ahead of the game on that.

But I started boycotting last year when I saw that they were selling, in the name of Pride Month, these compression tops, which they're selling again this year for young girls who want to pretend to be boys to look like boys.

And I just thought, there's really no more wicked message than that, that your body is bad, that God made a mistake with you.

And we will help you cover up the body that God gave you so that you can pretend to be something else.

Like how self-loathing is that?

And then now, as you've already talked about, they have the same thing for boys with the tucking swimsuits and all that.

And I just said, you know what?

I don't boycott everything.

I don't divest from every corporation that doesn't agree with all my values, but I'm already spending too much money at Target.

Those Target runs end up, you know, racking the bill with things that you don't really need.

And I can't spend that much money on a company that is directly opposing everything that I am fighting for.

So I know it sounds difficult, but I stopped shopping there a year ago and I haven't looked back.

I have to tell you,

I think if this becomes a Bud Light thing,

the entire thing begins to fall apart because Bud Light expected a hit and then turn it around.

But if people start to look at Target like I now look at Target and go, you are an enemy to my family.

Yes.

Then things begin to change.

When somebody walks into the kitchen with a Target bag and somebody else says, you shopped at Target?

Right.

That's when it's over.

Yep, absolutely.

And they just took it a step too far.

Even for the people who are like, okay, I can tolerate the rainbows.

That's fine.

It's one segment, whatever.

But when you're talking about bathing suits meant to cover up male genitalia for pretty young boys, it looks like, depending on, you know, the product that you're looking at.

I mean, really, if you're associating with that.

And I just want to say, because it's really suburban women, suburban moms that are propping up Target.

And I would say a lot of Christian women, a lot of women go there specifically for Chip and Joanna's Magnolia line.

That's another one people should be writing to Chip and Joanna and saying, are you seeing what's going on?

How can you remain silent with a partner that is doing this?

I mean, I know they have contracts and it, you know, something you walk away from, but you should at least speak out.

Right.

And, you know,

it's not like they don't speak out about other things because a few years ago, after the whole George Floyd debacle, they did make statements about, you know, the dangers of racism and white supremacy and doing better and doing the work.

So they're okay with speaking out about some social justice issues but guys you have represented yourself as strong christians as defenders of the christian faith and family and family and so at this point i do think that their silence is strange yeah

so do you think this is something that we've seen the biggest part of or do you think this becomes a bud light thing i think that as long as those of us who have a microphone or anyone who has influence whether it's small or large continues this continues to double down.

Don't take their little statements, they're moving the segments to other parts of the store as, oh, we won.

No, you double down.

I'm asking people, at least for the month of June, and I know some people think that they are totally dependent on Target, and that's another conversation for another day.

At least for the month of June, women, Christian women, suburban moms, do not shop at Target, at least for the month of June.

I think that can make a difference.

I will tell you,

they will wait it out.

But Bud Light is now six weeks into it.

Is that right?

Six, seven weeks?

Yes.

Six weeks.

And they're down 30% or 29% now.

And they're freaking out now.

They expect us, because we don't do this.

They expect us just to go along.

And I think

we've hit a turning point in all of this

to where people

with Bud Light,

it doesn't make sense that we didn't do anything about Nike.

And yet, here comes Bud Light, and all of a sudden, there's something that has happened in the minds of Americans.

Yeah.

And I'm hoping that this is the next shoot-to-fall because if it happens to Target and Bud Light, the number one beer in America, it happens to those two, it will put all corporations on notice.

Something's changed.

We're not, they're not going to take it.

Look, the idea of boys being able to come become girls and vice versa, and all of the bodily mutilation that we've seen come from that, whether you consider yourself an independent or whether you're a Christian or not, that's just too far for people.

I mean, obviously, as a Christian, I'm for traditional marriage and all of that.

But even just for the non-religious, non-conservative person, the idea of a little boy being told to talk is just too far.

It's insanity.

And I think that's why.

I think that's why it's changed to this year.

I think that's why there's more vitriol and because there's a lot of disgust and a lot of depravity that people don't want to be a part of.

It's evil.

It's evil.

And it is so, it is a slap against the face of every woman, every girl to bind.

Would anyone go to a place that was like, hey, women, you should bind your feet like they used to in

China?

Right.

No, we know that's horrible.

You now want to bind women's breasts?

This is so far over the line that,

and then on top of it, the fact that they are doing business with a designer who is a Satanist and has no problem saying it.

And some of his designs are like, what was it?

Satan.

Satan respects pronouns.

Also, murderous things of like time's up for homophobes or a homophobe headrest, which was actually a picture of a geek.

Yeah.

So, I mean, this is a murderous person that the people at Target were like, yes, we want to partner with you.

I can't believe how deeply it goes because that's not, that's not just a corporate decision to say, hey, let's get into the LGBTQ because of the S in ESG.

No, no, no.

This is a fundamental problem in Target.

If your company has now started to bring Satanists in, known Satanists, and you're selling their product that talks about Satan,

you've got a deep, deep problem at the core of you.

And by ignoring it, it doesn't get better.

It will only get worse.

Don't,

do not shop at Target.

Don't.

Tell everybody you know, don't.

I'm telling you, this is a big moment.

If we actually take this moment seriously and start drawing lines in the sand and saying, no,

you might make all your money on Wall Street, but you will not make it from me.

You'll change the world.

You'll change the world.

Yes and amen.

Keep the fight going.

Thank you.

You too.

You bet.

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