Goodbye, Title 42. Hello, Border INVASION | Guests: Sen. Mike Lee & Rep. Chip Roy | 5/12/23

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Speaker 1 Well, hello, Stu. How are you? Glenn.
How are you? Glad you could make it in today. And, you know,

Speaker 1 you weren't hassled at the border or anything. You just came right through.

Speaker 1 I'm a citizen of the United States, Glenn.

Speaker 1 Born here. Sure.
Born and bred right here in America. Sure, sure, sure.

Speaker 1 Title 48 is done, and no big deal. Wow, they already got rid of Title 48 so soon after Title 42 went away.

Speaker 1 That's a real problem. We're moving too fast for these titles.
I know, I know. I mean, six ahead.
We went from Title 42 back to Title VIII, which may have been why you...

Speaker 1 Which is two more than six.

Speaker 1 That's a great point. That's the sort of border analysis you're going to get on today's program.

Speaker 1 It's really pretty accurate. Yeah.
Pretty accurate.

Speaker 1 We have Todd Benzman coming on a little later on to the program. I love this because the media today has been like, look, relative calm at the border.

Speaker 1 That's been their pitch so far.

Speaker 1 This big idea that there's going to be lots of people crossing the border. We don't see any signs of it.

Speaker 1 It's relative calm. It's like, well, first of all, there are plenty of signs that people are still crossing.
But

Speaker 1 when you think, like, let's say you had an amusement park, Glenn. Yeah.
Glenland. Glenland.
And Glenland.

Speaker 1 And you got, let's say, maybe some messages on social media that a a bunch of teenagers were going to come right at opening and rush the gates and come through the turnstiles without paying.

Speaker 1 And you're like, all right, we got to do something about this. How about this? We go out two hours before opening and just let them all in.

Speaker 1 Is that solving the problem?

Speaker 1 I've just agreed.

Speaker 1 I mean, they didn't rush the gates at opening. That's true.
You did solve that problem.

Speaker 1 They're all inside, though. And that seems to be what I was concerned about.
I wasn't really concerned about, hey, there's too many to process in this short period of time.

Speaker 1 I was worried about them coming in illegally.

Speaker 1 But maybe I have a different concern than the administration does. Well,

Speaker 1 here we have a couple of clips here from the border.

Speaker 1 Let's see. Here's Todd Bensman.
He's taking some footage down the border. Here are the migrants in the water.

Speaker 1 They're struggling in the water. They're up to their heads in the water.
And they're like, hey,

Speaker 1 maybe this wasn't such a great idea.

Speaker 1 But there they are coming across the river, which is the relative calm right there. Yeah, right.
People almost drowning.

Speaker 1 Under not only a layer of a lot of water, but a layer of foliage as well. So here is now here's the Texas National Guardsmen on the other side of the

Speaker 1 treacherous water. Okay, so now it looks like the first first ones are out

Speaker 1 of the buck

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 will very shortly be confronted.

Speaker 1 Texans will certainly come

Speaker 1 to the slightest bit worried

Speaker 1 the Texas National Guard standing there.

Speaker 1 Waiting.

Speaker 1 These guys do not seem in a big hurry to get up there and confront. Not really sure what they expected.
This is their second crossing. They were repelled

Speaker 1 already

Speaker 1 once.

Speaker 1 The border looks nice and clean.

Speaker 1 Look at that. This is one of the big things is

Speaker 1 there's just wet clothes all over the border. Because they go through the river and then they take their clothes off and I guess get into dry clothes.

Speaker 1 Some people, there are some reports that the border agents are like,

Speaker 1 we're not going to transport you in all your wet clothes, so just leave them here. So that's what their defense is.
Oh, they told us to take them off. Oh, but it's just the entire border is littered.

Speaker 1 That rule you follow. That one they follow.
That one you follow. Okay.
Okay. The wet clothes rule.
Right.

Speaker 1 You ever get out of the pool and then you're coming, you got you got to go into your car? I mean, you don't want that to happen. Too many wet clothes in the United States.
That's the real issue here.

Speaker 1 So CNN

Speaker 1 had a guest on that was talking about the border last night. Cut six.

Speaker 3 I think it it is important for people to understand the reason why there's such a rush of immigration is not driven by Joe Biden.

Speaker 3 It's driven by very difficult circumstances in South and Central America.

Speaker 3 But how you handle people at the border does matter. The U.S.
has to get this situation under control.

Speaker 1 I think that sounds just wonderful. Wonderful.
And it has nothing to do with Title 42 ending. Here's cut seven.

Speaker 4 So Mike. Are you aware of Title 42 and that they were going to to open the border like before the pandemic?

Speaker 5 Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 Okay, well, thank you. Gracias, mucha graces.
Yesuite conto viaje, Pedro. Pedro, it represents a lot of the stories here of the migrants that we're hearing on the streets.

Speaker 4 So many officials here have told us they are ready for what's coming next, projecting an air of confidence. Sarah, only time will tell if they're right.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 interesting to note that he was well aware of Title 42 coming down. That's what a lot of people are worried about.

Speaker 1 That's weird, isn't it, Stu?

Speaker 1 I wonder if he knew about Title 48. Yeah, that's the...

Speaker 1 I never heard word one about Title 48. That's the problem.
Now, apparently, all of these things are just part of Republican fiction. Here is House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

Speaker 1 As is often the case with my extreme aga-Republican colleagues,

Speaker 1 they create a fictional argument

Speaker 1 around what's happening at the border

Speaker 1 and then actually do nothing to solve the real problem.

Speaker 1 And that is exactly what the Child Deportation Act is all about.

Speaker 1 They passed a bill yesterday that's they're doing nothing, I guess. They passed a bill yesterday to try to help the problem.

Speaker 1 I mean, the issue, of course, is that the left isn't going to go along with the bill that they passed. Well, it's because

Speaker 1 they wouldn't follow the directions of the elites on the left that know the right answer. I mean, it's very logical, Stu.
You just do what the left says, and you're going to get things done.

Speaker 1 That is the way they work. That's the Obama-era bipartisanship in action.

Speaker 1 He wants to work with Republicans. Right.
Okay. As long as you do what I say,

Speaker 1 we're going to be fine. Yeah.
It's like, you know, the Yankees want to work with the Red Sox. As long as the Red Sox will just allow them to score all the runs they want to score.
Amen. Perfect.

Speaker 1 What's the problem? Why wouldn't you go along with that arrangement? Right.

Speaker 1 You're acting as though there's a problem with this. Yes, I am.
Yeah. I am.
That's not how this works at all. It's not how any of this works.
Well, it's good to put up a weak little fight, you know,

Speaker 1 just...

Speaker 1 Just to, you know, show like

Speaker 1 you are like the Republicans. You just put up a weak little fight and like, hey, we shouldn't do that.

Speaker 1 And then just move on. I'm pretty upset about this.
You know,

Speaker 1 people look at the Biden performance since he walked into office, and they might say, hey, he's been terrible at everything. And that's true.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 He has really been awful at everything he's touched. However, what people don't realize is his least popular category has been the border.

Speaker 1 It was even below Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 That one, he really screwed up.

Speaker 1 The border has been an ongoing catastrophe since the day he walked into office. And I don't know.
I find that to be a bit objectionable.

Speaker 1 I know it's not the popular thing to say these days, but I think it's a problem. You know, let me, if you look at the Trump numbers for crossings, this is for apprehensions at the Southwest border.

Speaker 1 Trump was,

Speaker 1 for the first couple of years, was about 30 to 40,000 per month. Now,

Speaker 1 I might say that's too many. Okay.

Speaker 1 And you might might say that's too many. And you might say Donald Trump was really good at talking about the border and he was right on the border.

Speaker 1 We didn't get all the policy victories we were hoping for during the Trump administration. However, as you might note, there are still a couple of minor stretches without walls on the

Speaker 1 thousand miles or so. Sure.

Speaker 1 And we have the Republicans to thank for that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think I would agree.

Speaker 1 I would agree that the Republicans and the Democrats are to blame for that. Well, yes, but the Republicans,

Speaker 1 you know, they were a little smooshy. A little smooshy.
A little smooshy. A little smushy.
And this goes back longer than just the Trump administration, as you might note.

Speaker 1 But still,

Speaker 1 that's relative calm on the border. That's what I would say.
Relative calm on the border. 30, 40,000 crossing per month.
Okay.

Speaker 1 At one point, Barack Obama said a thousand people crossing per day is a crisis. So that's about 30,000 a month.
Correct. Okay.
Okay, but

Speaker 1 let's just be crazy and say that's the relative calm. So during the Trump administration, it did go up to, it hit about 50,000 and had that one peak.

Speaker 1 If you remember covering this in 2019, there was a real peak. It went up above 100,000 for a couple of months and then peaked at about 140,000, which was really, really insanely high.

Speaker 1 It was when every news story that you'd view would be about the border and how Trump was separating families and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You remember that coverage? Oh, I do.
Now.

Speaker 1 I do. That was 140,000.
000

Speaker 1 a month now

Speaker 1 after that it immediately came way down right came back down to about 40 000 got it then the pandemic hit went down even lower to 20 000 can you can i ask you a question when it was at 140

Speaker 1 were there any like

Speaker 1 Soros or UN

Speaker 1 NGOs that were

Speaker 1 working on the working hard. They were working

Speaker 1 to try to stop it? Donald Trump was creating jobs

Speaker 1 in NGOs that George Soros funds. Right.

Speaker 1 And they were all, strangely, all those jobs were in Mexico on the border. Yeah.
Yeah. Now, you remember the caravans that were crossing.

Speaker 1 That's what that 140,000 cross-class. Crazy times.
It was all over the media all the time. Yeah.
Then it comes down. Well, except for the caravans that were being organized by leftists.
Right.

Speaker 1 I mean, they talked about the caravans, but they left out the... organized by the left.
We were playing the clips of the people who did organize it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 The left was not

Speaker 1 playing. So, okay, so you're 30, 40,000.
It drops down again during the pandemic and stays relatively low, starts to ramp up after

Speaker 1 the comeback after COVID. So we go into 2021 and

Speaker 1 Joe Biden takes over at about $75,000 a month his first month.

Speaker 1 His second month, it's over $100,000. Now remember,

Speaker 1 the crazy month was $140,000 in the Trump administration. Damn Donald Trump.
So month one, $75,000 for Biden. Month two, $100,000.
Right. Month three, $175,000.

Speaker 1 Okay, that's just month one and month two put together and a little bit more. And a little bit more.
All it is. So that's month three.
Month four went up again. Month five went up again.

Speaker 1 He's doing a great job. Hmm.
It keeps going up and it keeps going up and then it crosses 200,000. 200,000.
And then it stays up there for a little bit, drops way down.

Speaker 1 Now, remember, we had a drop after the peak.

Speaker 1 Remember, this is when they were saying this is just a seasonal peak. Seasonal peak.
This happens. They come and go.

Speaker 1 And it did happen once with Donald Trump. It went up to 140,000.
They came back down to 30,000. So did that happen again here? No, it came all the way back down to 160,000.
160,000.

Speaker 1 That's higher than the highest of Trump. We should also note

Speaker 1 Barack Obama and also George W. Bush.
So

Speaker 1 it did come down, though, to 160. See? Unfortunately, then it went back up.
And then it crossed 200,000 again.

Speaker 1 And then it went to 225,000. Do I tear 250?

Speaker 1 Not yet. 250, 250, 240, 240, 20.
240. 240, we got 240,000.
Do I hear 250? It was seasonal, the 240,000 a month, which is almost double.

Speaker 1 Because it was like Christmas or another holiday.

Speaker 1 This is double every single month of the Trump administration, with the exception of that one. But I don't hear 250.
No, you don't. You don't.
Because it came back down after that to 200,000 again.

Speaker 1 200, 200.

Speaker 1 That's the new

Speaker 1 bottom thousand, 60,000 more than the peak at the Trump administration. But then it went up again, 225,000 to 230, 235, 255.
Do I hear 55, do I hear 60? Oh, you're not yet. Not yet.

Speaker 1 Not till this month. Okay.
Then it did come down to about 200,000 again.

Speaker 1 So we are now. So it's not always a quarter of a million people coming in.
every month. Every single month.
Not every month. Now, to be fair,

Speaker 1 it is much more than 250,000 because these are apprehensions.

Speaker 1 Don't include the people who got away that we know about, which are hundreds of thousands more, and the people that we just crossed and we never caught at all, which of course is tens and thousands of more than that.

Speaker 1 So you're saying

Speaker 1 we have a shot of

Speaker 1 two to three million every year.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think it's going to be more than that. I think we're, I think probably realistically right now, we're at 400,000 a month.
And that's before Title 42 goes away. Now, wow, that's great.

Speaker 1 Now, my point: think of all the new cities that we can build. Think of all the new cities we can build.
Yeah. We can build.
I mean, just in just in one year, we have 5 million people.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 that's bigger than some of our biggest cities.

Speaker 1 There you go. Bigger than like Houston.
What's Houston at? I know. Dallas.
What's Dallas at? We could have an entirely new city

Speaker 1 just of illegal aliens the size of Dallas and Houston. Maybe even,

Speaker 1 I'm hoping, I'm hoping, because we got another year to go. Maybe even the size of Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 All just illegal immigrants. Every year.
Every year. Oh, what a great idea.
We are going to be so, we are so popular. And I will point out that these levels,

Speaker 1 even right now, are seven and eight times the level that Barack Obama said was a crisis. Right.
Okay. So, but no, but this is.

Speaker 1 My point of this, of going through all of this, is to tell you that this has been an ongoing crisis. No, it's fictional.
Ever since he walked into office, this is not a new thing.

Speaker 1 Just because the media has decided to roll around and start talking about this over the past couple of weeks, this has been going on the entire time and causing massive problems the entire time.

Speaker 1 And his approval rating for the border is sometimes in the 20s because of it. This is a major deal.

Speaker 1 And the fact that the media is finally waking up to actually put some of these images on the screen is probably a good thing. But may I just say what most listeners are saying in their head right now?

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 1 Doesn't matter. Nothing's going to be done about it.

Speaker 1 Now, turn that frown upside down. Okay.

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Speaker 1 Last week, we learned in 2020 a whistleblower filed a complaint with the FBI alleging that Joe Biden had taken bribes from foreign governments to influence our policy, right?

Speaker 1 House Oversight Committee issued a subpoena to obtain that report.

Speaker 1 Well, the other day the FBI told Congress to go screw themselves. We're not handing over the documents.
Let me repeat that.

Speaker 1 The FBI is refusing to comply with a congressional subpoena to hand over evidence that would prove Biden has been compromised by foreign agents.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I don't know if you've noticed, but our country's a little corrupt. Same thing happening on the border.

Speaker 1 We found out yesterday that the DHS under Biden is coordinating all of the trips across the river with the Mexican government. Okay, you can send some more over.

Speaker 1 So let me see.

Speaker 1 We have that going on, and nobody seems to pay a price. Then, we have the Marine who has just been charged in New York.
He had to turn himself in because he choked out the homeless guy.

Speaker 1 The DA is charging him with murder.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I'm a little,

Speaker 1 hmm. I'm a little done with all of this.

Speaker 1 So we've been talking about it, and we've been talking to lawyers and constitutional scholars and there is a way for you to hold the Bidens and everyone else accountable and we're all going to need to work together to make it work.

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Speaker 1 May 18th, I'm going to explain the actions that you can take to ensure that Biden and all of this corrupt these corrupt politicians actually get the reckoning they deserve constitutionally legally and in a court of law

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Speaker 1 All right. He's on.

Speaker 2 Boy, he's lucky.

Speaker 1 I got a word right before we get what we're going on that Mike Lee might be a little bit late.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, you tell him we're not on Mormon Standard Time, which is usually five minutes late because you've got 18 kids that you're trying to get into the back of the van.

Speaker 1 But he's on time. Mike Lee, welcome.
How are you, sir?

Speaker 1 Doing great.

Speaker 6 And whether or not I was going to be on time was never in doubt.

Speaker 1 Never in doubt. Never in doubt.
Hey, I've got three things I want to talk to you about.

Speaker 1 First of all, well, actually four, but I want to, we've got about 10 minutes, so I want to see if we can get all of it in. Impossible task.
First of all, your thoughts on the border.

Speaker 1 Look,

Speaker 1 the border

Speaker 1 is in an unbelievably intense state of crisis.

Speaker 6 I've spent two years of my life on the U.S.-Mexico border. I know that people who suffer most from these border crises are recent immigrants themselves, the poorest of the poor.

Speaker 6 Well, look, the exploration of Title 42 doesn't have have to prove disastrous,

Speaker 6 but it will prove disastrous unless Secretary Mayorkas.

Speaker 6 That is absolute malary.

Speaker 1 Absolutely malaries. So when is anybody going to go after him and impeach him? We've talked about this.
Is there a chance of that?

Speaker 6 Well, yeah, look, I've been calling for his impeachment

Speaker 6 for many weeks now because he's refused to enforce the border. And he still could enforce the border.

Speaker 6 If you were to start detaining asylum seekers crossing our southern border until their claims are adjudicated, which the law already requires, Glenn, Title VIII of the U.S. Code already requires this.

Speaker 6 And then immediately repatriating those who can't be detained based on a lack of detention facility bed capacity, that would fix it. It would fix it almost immediately.

Speaker 1 We have 400,000 people coming across our border this month. This month.

Speaker 1 We have millions that have come in now since Biden got in, enough to build, you know, like the fifth or sixth largest city in America. And we're expecting this not to change our culture.

Speaker 1 We, our kids don't know American history. Now you're bringing people in who don't know American history.

Speaker 1 How do we expect to remain America unless people in Congress begin to act and hold these people accountable.

Speaker 6 It'll be very, very difficult for us to do that, which is why it's absolutely essential that we take those steps right now.

Speaker 6 And look, the White House and the Department of Homeland Security have known for a really long time that this day was fast approaching and they've refused to fix the problem, even though they have the tools to do it under existing law.

Speaker 6 But in the meantime, you've got these international drug cartels don't want the Department of Homeland Security to enforce the law and protect the border. Why?

Speaker 6 Well, because they're making billions of dollars,

Speaker 6 making billions of dollars specifically off of the Biden administration's refusal to enforce the law.

Speaker 1 Mike, let me switch real quick. I just want to ask, does the President have the right to just change the debt limit on his own?

Speaker 6 On no planet does the President of the United States have the authority to justify.

Speaker 1 And if he tries to do that, what are the consequences?

Speaker 6 Well, if he tries to do that,

Speaker 6 that is an impeachable offense.

Speaker 6 If he just openly flouts the law, just disregards it and says, I don't have to,

Speaker 6 and does so based on this extremely flawed theory that the 14th Amendment somehow renders it unnecessary.

Speaker 6 Look, he didn't take that position in 1984 when he said, I'm not going going to vote to raise the debt ceiling under President Ronald Reagan because there's nothing in there that

Speaker 6 adequately controls the debt. He didn't raise it then.
He didn't raise it in 2011

Speaker 6 when he, as Vice President of the United States, was negotiating a debt ceiling package. This theory is science fiction fantasy.
His own people know it. Whether he knows it or not, I don't know.

Speaker 6 So he can't do this.

Speaker 1 We have several

Speaker 1 problems going on right now, all at once. And one of them is that the government just makes up things.
They just make up new laws. We have people, ATF is coming to people's doors and saying,

Speaker 1 we know that you purchased this. How they know, I don't know.
We know you purchased this. You need to turn it over now.
You won't be in any trouble if you just turn it over right now.

Speaker 1 The ATF is just changing the laws.

Speaker 1 There was,

Speaker 1 we had you on recently about the rule of lenity, but we never got to it.

Speaker 1 Is there anything to stop these

Speaker 1 agencies from just making laws that they have no right to do?

Speaker 1 There is,

Speaker 6 and let me tell you about it.

Speaker 6 It's a beautiful coincidence. This ties directly into what we're doing.
on the debt ceiling.

Speaker 6 The House passed bill that deals with the debt ceiling contains, among other provisions, something called the Rains Act.

Speaker 6 It contains a provision saying that anytime an executive branch agency makes up a law, it can't just kick in automatically.

Speaker 6 Congress has to affirmatively enact it into law, which is why of all the great provisions in there, in that bill that was passed by the House, which saves about a trillion dollars in year one alone, $5 trillion over the next 10 years.

Speaker 6 The RAINS Act may well be the single most important because it will safeguard not only our financial future by allowing economic growth to occur, but it will also safeguard our liberty.

Speaker 6 By prohibiting stupid laws like those you've referred to just a moment ago, not passed through the constitutional process but by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, it'll put Congress in charge of that.

Speaker 6 Now, Congress won't always make the right decision, but when it makes the wrong decision, the American people will kick us out. Correct.

Speaker 1 And this,

Speaker 1 you feel like this has a chance of passing?

Speaker 6 Absolutely, it has a chance of passing. Because look, here's the deal.

Speaker 6 I led the Senate Republican conference in putting together this letter to Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, stating our collective commitment to oppose raising the debt ceiling without substantive spending and budget reforms.

Speaker 6 Correct.

Speaker 6 And so in the Senate, you can kill any bill if you've got 41 senators, any group of 41 senators opposing it. We've got 43 who signed my letter.

Speaker 6 We've got two more who have agreed to support basically the same thing. We've got a total of 45.
We only needed 41 to stop a clean debt ceiling increase.

Speaker 6 If we will stand behind what the House passed and insist that at a minimum the Reigns Act be in there,

Speaker 6 it'll be in there.

Speaker 1 I mean, I will tell you, Mike,

Speaker 1 even if you fudge on the

Speaker 1 debt ceiling and you don't get all the cuts you wanted, having the Reigns Act

Speaker 1 may be

Speaker 1 worth

Speaker 1 all

Speaker 1 other sacrifices.

Speaker 6 I believe one could make that argument. And, Glenn,

Speaker 6 if a genie appeared to me and said you can pass any bill just magically

Speaker 6 that has been introduced in Congress and is now pending, it probably would be the Reigns Act for the very reason you described.

Speaker 1 Let me explain it again for people who have not heard of the Reigns Act. The problem we have right now is we are ruled by experts, and all kinds of bills have passed and said, you know, this is,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 this is the health care bill, but what it really means will be decided by the secretary. And so the agency makes all of the laws.
The ATF can just say, you know what?

Speaker 1 We're saying that this gun is now illegal because we have the power. Well, they don't have the power.
The Reigns Act takes all of that power and makes it very, very clear.

Speaker 1 It belongs to Congress and it guts these federal agencies of their powers to make new laws and rules, which is gigantic. Gigantic.

Speaker 6 Enormous. And, you know, in an odd twist of irony,

Speaker 6 Franklin D. Roosevelt, when he was governor of Franklin D.

Speaker 6 Roosevelt in the early 1930s, governor of the state of New York, once gave a speech in which he said, I've concluded that if tyranny ever comes to America, it will come in a form of soft tyranny in which we're led around by experts, masterminds, who will purport to know what's best for us at every moment.

Speaker 6 And it will also come about only when all power is concentrated in the federal government.

Speaker 6 Kind of

Speaker 6 eerily descriptive.

Speaker 1 of some of the things we're dealing with today.

Speaker 6 We've got to take power back because the Constitution requires it.

Speaker 1 And really interesting that he would do that when he started a lot of these agencies and gave them so much power.

Speaker 6 He's the one who set this whole thing in motion. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 let's give Papa Wilson a nice tip of the hat, too.

Speaker 6 Look, there's no question. Woodrow Wilson was the worst president in American

Speaker 6 president ever openly contemptuous toward the Constitution. But with Wilson, we had a Supreme Court who pushed back on him hard enough that he didn't get very far.
Correct.

Speaker 6 FDR came along and kind of finished the job. Yeah.
And that's why we are where we are today.

Speaker 1 One more thing, because I can't get you on the air for a second time where I wanted to talk about the rule of lenity and not at least get a 30-second answer on the rule of lenity.

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 6 Okay, the rule of lenity says that when there is an ambiguity in a criminal statute,

Speaker 6 that the courts will interpret that statute in a way that is more generous toward the would-be defendant, either the defendant or if it's a civil case, trying to ascertain the meaning in advance toward the would-be criminal defendant.

Speaker 6 And so. So let me ask you.

Speaker 1 So if I have, let's say I had a

Speaker 1 one of those braces, pistol brace for your arms, okay, that the ATF said for 10 years, they're totally legal. Now they change it, and now they're making people

Speaker 1 felons if you don't turn them in or whatever.

Speaker 1 Well, wouldn't the rule of lenity say, well, no, wait a minute, you're confused because

Speaker 1 you just said that it was fine and you said it for a long time. Now you're changing your mind.

Speaker 1 So you don't really have the right to declare that this is a felony because you're confused yourself on what's legal and not, correct?

Speaker 6 Yes, yes, that is exactly right. And that is essentially what the U.S.
Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit held in a recent case called Hardin versus ATF.

Speaker 1 So wait, wait, wait. Why doesn't that work with income tax? Because everyone says we don't really know what the law is.
Some people say this, some people say that. Well, why doesn't the rule of lenity

Speaker 1 protect you then?

Speaker 6 There are instances in which the rule of lenity could be invoked

Speaker 6 with respect to the internal revenue code, but you're never going to get one that applies to the entire code. You might get such a ruling with regard to a specific provision of that.

Speaker 6 But

Speaker 6 it's not always invoked, and when it is invoked, it doesn't always prevail. I'm glad that it did prevail in

Speaker 6 this hardened VATF VATF case in the sixth century.

Speaker 1 Okay. Mike, thank you so much.
Keep up the hard work. Talk to you again soon.

Speaker 1 You bet. Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 The thing you need to take away from this interview is you watch for the Reigns Act.

Speaker 1 When they're negotiating, you've got to call your senator and your congressman and strengthen their spine and say to Congress, thank you for supporting this. Thank you for putting that in the bill.

Speaker 1 Do not allow that to be cut.

Speaker 1 We can disagree on this, but I really, truly believe that's more important than

Speaker 1 another raise of the debt ceiling. Go ahead, raise the debt ceiling.
That's a horrible idea. It is awful.
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Speaker 1 They'll have some control over these agencies. And that's what's causing tyranny of these agencies.
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Speaker 1 The border is on fire. Title 42 expired last night at midnight.
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Speaker 1 We could have half a million people in our country that weren't here just a few days ago within a month.

Speaker 1 So, what are the border states doing?

Speaker 1 I know the governor of Texas, Governor Abbott, has, according to him, taken unprecedented action to secure the border in the wake of the federal government's inaction. $4 billion

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Speaker 1 He's deployed thousands of Texas National Guard soldiers and the Texas Department of Public Safety troopers. However,

Speaker 1 is he doing any more than detaining and moving migrants to where they're going to be released by federal agents, processed and released? Is this enough?

Speaker 1 I personally don't think so, but maybe.

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How are you, sir?

Speaker 6 I'm good. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 the response by Governor Abbott, Abbott, I think, is a little lackluster. I think we should declare an emergency, which I think he has, but I mean a

Speaker 1 true crisis or invasion, and he should seize the powers that I believe he has in the Constitution and get this under control.

Speaker 6 Yeah, I agree. So he has an inherent authority under Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3,

Speaker 6 especially when the federal government is failing to uphold Article 4, Section 4, which Majorkis and Biden are clearly doing.

Speaker 6 And that grants governors unique authorities that are constitutional authorities. They're not subject to federal immigration law or cases like Arizona v.
U.S.

Speaker 6 that are broad powers that would allow the governor to take some unprecedented actions.

Speaker 6 And so what he's been doing under Operation Lone Star is he has been detaining and then taking migrants to ports of entry where he turns them over to federal agents.

Speaker 6 And then, of course, they're processed and then released into the interior, or he's been busing them around the United States. What he has not been doing is taking them back into Mexico.

Speaker 6 And so we have been asking him for two years to, one, declare an invasion and then provide authorities to agents to actually do something with that declaration. He has stopped shy.
of the second one.

Speaker 6 I'm getting some anecdotal evidence as of this morning from Border Patrol agents that there might be a positive development on that. I'm happy to talk through that.

Speaker 6 But historically, Operation Lone Star has been a lot of bluster and a lot of rhetoric, but it has not done anything to fundamentally change the situation on the border.

Speaker 6 I mean, and large parts of Operation Lone Star have amounted to just piling money up and then setting it on fire.

Speaker 1 Okay, so tell me what you're hearing from the border today on this.

Speaker 6 So I was on a phone call this morning with a Border Patrol agent, that's a federal agent, and that agent indicated to me

Speaker 6 that they were actually not allowed into certain parts of the border, that they remained in a staging area, and that the Texas National Guard and Texas DPS were actually locking down that section.

Speaker 6 Now, this is anecdotal. We don't have an official position from Abbott on that stating that this is a change in policy.

Speaker 6 So until then, as is the case usually with Abbott, I'm going to be very cautious. I don't want to give him any credit for something.
He often says very good things and then doesn't follow through.

Speaker 6 But if this occurs in other sectors, that's a huge development.

Speaker 6 Now, Abbott does not have the agents that he needs right now to actually do this across the entire border, which is actually why, you know, Speaker Dade Phelan, the Texas Republican Speaker of the House there, he killed HB 20, which would have sought to start to alleviate that problem by creating a border protection unit.

Speaker 6 Not surprised there there that Dade killed that bill because he's a big open borders liberal Republican. But

Speaker 6 if this is the case and Abbott is actually changing policy, this would be a huge step.

Speaker 6 It then becomes incumbent upon other Republican governors to send resources and personnel that Abbott can deputize under state of Texas authority and then deploy to other sectors and then duplicate this policy change.

Speaker 6 So I'm still looking into this, but the fact that a federal border patrol agent told me this directly on a phone call just this morning, and I've talked to many other border officials and they're hearing the same thing.

Speaker 6 That's a good first step. These will be very small parts of the border, but if true, we should thank Abbott and we should encourage him to ask other governors for help.

Speaker 6 But again, I want to be cautious here and not go too far too soon.

Speaker 1 Well, I know that

Speaker 1 the Attorney General, I've talked to him, and he has said to me that

Speaker 1 he wishes

Speaker 1 the governor would give him something that he had to defend. In other words, take this action, let

Speaker 1 the Fed say you can't do that so he can go and then fight it and win because he believes he can win. Is it possible that he's giving him that

Speaker 1 opportunity today?

Speaker 6 I think so. So there's two tracks that this could go down.
If they're doing it as a narrow challenge to Arizona v. U.
S.,

Speaker 6 that's one possible pathway, which would undo a bad Supreme Court precedent that essentially says, and I'm making this very simplified, that states can't unilaterally enforce federal immigration law.

Speaker 6 Or if it's under an invasion declaration, Article I authority, that's a novel concept. Past courts have said that that's non-justiciable.
I always mess that word up, but

Speaker 6 it basically means that it's a political question and that they don't have the power to question it. So if that's the case, there's

Speaker 6 really good track record here that this would stand legally, and it would set a precedent that any time that the federal government is failing to secure the border, any border state can step in and do that under their Article I powers.

Speaker 6 That's ultimately what we want to get to, because Arizona, the U.S., is weak. based upon what current federal immigration law is and current federal immigration law is weak.

Speaker 6 It has too many asylum loopholes, et cetera.

Speaker 6 So I would prefer the state of Texas go down the invasion declaration route, make it an Article I legal question, and then set that precedent into perpetuity, empowering states greatly.

Speaker 1 And just to clarify,

Speaker 1 what that means in Article I is if there is an invasion and the federal government is not doing all that it can to repel that invasion, the state has a right to repel it itself.

Speaker 6 That's correct. And an invasion can be defined very broadly, an unwanted

Speaker 6 presence on another's domain.

Speaker 6 James Madison thought that this applied to smugglers. Sam Houston, of course, if you're in Texas, everyone knows who Sam Houston is there.

Speaker 6 He thought this applied to cross-border Mexican bandits.

Speaker 6 And there's a lot of precedent here

Speaker 6 on our side that cartels are both smugglers and cross-border bandits in many respects and

Speaker 6 worse than both.

Speaker 6 I think it's very clear that the founders had a position that although border security was primarily the duty of the federal government, they would not have limited themselves or tied their hands behind the back if the federal government became destructive to the ends of the needs of the states, that they wouldn't have any options to step into that breach and protect their own citizens.

Speaker 6 So, of course, this clause empowers governors in this instance, especially given how violent cartels are, how they're using every single person that's crossing the border as a part of their enterprise.

Speaker 6 They make money off of every person that crosses the border. And of course, they use cross-border illegal, illegal, cross-border movement to mask fentanyl that's getting smuggled across the borders.

Speaker 6 Hundreds of thousands of people are dying. So, yes, governors have this power, and we certainly encourage Governor Abbott to use it.

Speaker 1 Wade,

Speaker 1 is there an increase because of Article 40? I mean, yeah, Article 42, Title 42 being revoked now. Did we see?

Speaker 1 Go ahead.

Speaker 6 Yes, the border is exploding because of this. The cartels have been actively working with

Speaker 6 actual governments and

Speaker 6 getting the word out to their supply lines that now is the time to come forward. And that message was received, and people are starting to show up on the border in the tens of thousands.

Speaker 6 There's tens of thousands of more on the way. Of course, we're going to hit record numbers this year.
There were over 3 million gotaways just last year alone.

Speaker 6 It's 1.5 officially, but it's about double that in reality. That's just the gotaways, not the people that went to the ports of entry, bogusly claimed asylum, and then were released.

Speaker 6 You know, this is a big problem. We're seeing people from all sorts of different countries that we haven't seen in high numbers before starting to head this way.

Speaker 6 There's real national security concerns. The cartels are working directly with the Mexican government in many respects.
We've got a a big problem on our hands right now, big problem.

Speaker 6 And it's all because of the Biden administration.

Speaker 1 Wade, stay in touch with us. If you get more evidence that this is what Texas is doing and the governor is doing,

Speaker 1 we want to, of course, herald him for doing that. But I, like you, will wait and see.

Speaker 1 He's kind of leading from behind, in my opinion, on many things, including this. Wade, thank you.
Thanks for having me on. You bet.
Bye-bye. Wade Miller.

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Speaker 1 So Article 1, Section 10, Clause 3 of the United States Constitution, this is the one known as the Compact Clause. And this is what it says.

Speaker 1 No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in a time of peace, enter into an agreement or compact with another state or with foreign powers, or engage in war unless actually invaded or in such imminent danger as it will not admit of delay.

Speaker 1 The clause then has restrictions on what the states can do. Specifically,

Speaker 1 you cannot impose taxes on ships based on their tonnage, their weight, or cargo without a consent of Congress. Two, you can't keep troops or warships in times of peace without the consent of Congress.

Speaker 1 Three, you can't enter into agreements or other compacts with other states or foreign powers without the consent.

Speaker 1 Four, declaring war or engaging in war unless actually invaded or in imminent danger that doesn't allow for delay.

Speaker 1 This was

Speaker 1 put in the Constitution by our founders to make sure that the federal government remained in control of all of our international relations and war powers.

Speaker 1 They didn't want states being able to declare war on Mexico and then rope the entire country into it.

Speaker 1 This,

Speaker 1 I believe,

Speaker 1 that the state of Texas and the United States of America is in imminent danger.

Speaker 1 And the government has delayed and delayed and delayed and showed they're not serious about

Speaker 1 an invasion.

Speaker 1 Now, if you can't say that 3 million people coming into our country is not an invasion, then you don't know anything about military strategy.

Speaker 1 Do you know what the Chinese military strategy was against Russia?

Speaker 1 They would send a million people over their borders and surrender. Do exactly what's happening right now.
Come over the border and say, we just need asylum.

Speaker 1 They would come over the border into Russia and surrender. Million of them.

Speaker 1 Then when that had been processed, they'd come over the border, another million, and surrender.

Speaker 1 After five days of this,

Speaker 1 They could overwhelm Russia and Russia would collapse.

Speaker 1 That was the invasion strategy for China against Russia in modern day.

Speaker 1 Now why do we think that this isn't a strategy to collapse America when we know we have people in our own government that want to collapse America?

Speaker 1 And we know that we have foreign governments that want to collapse America.

Speaker 1 We are focused on, well, we got to find out exactly what's happening on social media and then pay no attention to our border. China is

Speaker 1 a part of this strategy on our border, which is their strategy. And the second strategy that China is using is the strategy the English used on the Chinese with the opium war.

Speaker 1 Put a base camp right at the border.

Speaker 1 Then take heroin and opium and make it as pure as you can and push it into the country and get as many Chinese people addicted to opium as possible.

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Speaker 1 when you get to that place, the question is, And what are you going to do about it? Well, the federal government would like to make all of us who are constitutionalists look like revolutionaries.

Speaker 1 We're not revolutionaries. I say we use the Constitution

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Speaker 1 We're going to do that next week. Next is this border problem.

Speaker 1 I insist as a citizen of Texas that our governor takes this seriously

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Speaker 1 into Texas.

Speaker 1 You will destroy it.

Speaker 1 It can't be done. It's an invasion.
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Speaker 1 We're glad you're here. There is a podcast that is available now at Blaze TV.
It's Tristan Harris. If you don't know who Tristan Harris is, you should.

Speaker 1 He is a guy I probably have more respect for than anyone else in big tech or AI.

Speaker 1 We're going to go over some of the things that he said. It is shocking.

Speaker 1 He gives us 12 to 18 months before it is too late to turn back. And he says this is the Fermi test.
This is the test of whether our species survives or not.

Speaker 1 We'll give it all to you at the top of the hour. First, we have Chip Roy on with us.
Hello, Chip. How are you sir

Speaker 1 well glenn uh you know our state is under siege um and uh you know i think the american people are seeing that firsthand and um you know fortunately the house republicans took action yesterday but uh this administration is leaving us uh stranded so i don't understand we were just talking about um uh governor abbott uh i i'd sure like governor abbott to start leading a little more than he is i know he's shipping everybody out uh from texas to other states but that just hurts hurts other states as well.

Speaker 1 This is an invasion. You can't have 400,000 people coming in every month and expect to keep your country.

Speaker 1 You can't.

Speaker 6 So there are something like 30,000 apprehensions over the last three days. I'm trying to get updates about what's going on tonight.

Speaker 6 I've got a few folks down at the border giving me, you know, sort of the latest and greatest or the latest and most terrible.

Speaker 6 And what I'm hearing is right now is that the DPS and National Guard folks who are down there at the order of the governor are actually on the front line trying to turn away and hold people back.

Speaker 6 Okay, good. While Border Patrol is effectively retreated into just full processing by basically kind of order of the DHS.

Speaker 6 So we've had this kind of flip where it's actually Texas folks trying to keep them from crossing and Border Patrol pulled back to process.

Speaker 1 So you're the second source we have on this now, so I believe it. We just had somebody else on who said that's the word that they were getting, but they'd believe it when they saw it.

Speaker 1 So if you're getting that as well, maybe then the governor is

Speaker 1 taking charge of the border.

Speaker 6 Well, look, I think it's all a tough call right here. I mean, look, I do think the governor and DPS, they're trying to throw everything they have at it.

Speaker 6 There is that kind of, you get right up to that point where you're either deciding to take over and literally take charge to turn away and return people and just put, you know, basically force your way in front of Border Patrol.

Speaker 6 But as Bill Malugin reported, we don't have the resources. We don't have enough people.

Speaker 1 We don't have enough folks.

Speaker 6 And so it's hard, right? They'll just move to another place and then Border Patrol will just usher them right in.

Speaker 6 And by the way, this is why the Texas House should have passed HB 20, which they crapped on this last week, instead of giving more resources to the governor.

Speaker 6 And instead, they're passing freaking gambling bills. That's your freaking Texas House Republicans in action.
They should have given more support to the governor, and they didn't do it.

Speaker 1 So I just talked talked to Wade Miller for Citizens Renewing America, and he said that if the governor calls other states,

Speaker 1 they can send resources down.

Speaker 6 Certainly, I think other states are willing to work with Texas. I don't know the latest on that.
Of course, Wade's probably correct on that. I know Wade well.

Speaker 6 And I think there's a number of states that I know are willing. to support.

Speaker 6 I'm confident Florida would support. And look, by the way, God bless Florida.
They just passed legislation. They passed the Strong E-Verify bill.
They passed other strong immigration

Speaker 6 language in their legislature that Governor DeSantis signed.

Speaker 6 And then they just had a court strike down these releases of migrants with nothing more than a, oh, please show up one day, not a required notice to appear.

Speaker 6 So at least they put an injunction on that for two weeks.

Speaker 6 So they're trying to help. But look, we got to do everything we can in Texas.
And I'm just calling on the Texas legislature to get their head out of their rear end, give more resources to governor.

Speaker 6 We need all states to kind of work with Texas to try to step into the breach because Border Patrol and this DHS, they're pulling back.

Speaker 6 Now, I want to be clear: the Border Patrol agents on the line, you know, they want to do their job. You know, it's the freaking idiots at DHS that are holding them back.

Speaker 1 We were just

Speaker 1 talking about China's invasion plan for Russia. And it was to send a million people over the border to surrender their guns and to surrender to the Russians.

Speaker 1 After 5 million people cross the border and surrender, Russia's overwhelmed

Speaker 1 and it collapses and they win without firing a bullet. This is exactly that strategy if you believe somebody is trying to collapse the United States of America.
And I happen to believe that.

Speaker 6 Well, one thing we know for sure, I got reports just yesterday of Chinese nationals

Speaker 6 that they're running across. We know that Border Patrol is now being pulled into, pulled back to do processing, and they're unable to process between ports of entry.

Speaker 6 We know we've had 1.7 million gotaways. We know that we've gotten people from all sorts of places

Speaker 6 connected to foreign terror states and Chinese nationals in the past.

Speaker 6 We know exactly what's happening in terms of the porousness of our border, and we know exactly what evil a lot of people around this world want to do.

Speaker 6 And the problem is that what people haven't firmly come to grips with is that we've got evil in our own White House and DHS who don't give a rat's rear end about our own sovereignty, security, and they want to undermine our country.

Speaker 6 They're literally at war with the American people. They're undermining our energy freedom.
They're spending us to death.

Speaker 6 They're opening up our borders for all manners of danger from fentanyl to terrorists to China. And you can only conclude that it's purposeful.
There is no other logical conclusion.

Speaker 1 Chip, I will tell you, next week,

Speaker 1 I'm laying out a plan, a constitutional plan,

Speaker 1 that we have talked to scholars and attorneys and

Speaker 1 attorney generals

Speaker 1 about it. And it is something that we can do to fight back.
But it is time for Americans to

Speaker 1 really dig into the Constitution and into their state constitutions and find out exactly what could be done. Because we're in an end game here.
At some point, this will overwhelm.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've said it.

Speaker 1 You look at the growth of Texas, of Houston, of Austin. At some point, these cities are no longer Texas cities, and I contend they already aren't.
They're no longer Texas cities.

Speaker 1 When we had massive immigration at the turn of the century through Ellis Island, you were at least given

Speaker 1 the books on how to become an American. They were stressing you got to fold in and become an American.
That's not happening. You cannot add millions of people to your population

Speaker 1 that don't know nor care anything about your history.

Speaker 1 When our population doesn't know or care about our history or our system of government, you will change fundamentally and you'll never be able to go back to a constitutional republic because no one will know what it is.

Speaker 6 All of this is purposeful, from the education system to the forest borders to what they're trying to do to attack our financial stability, banking system. I mean, just go down the line.

Speaker 6 I mean, there's literally no other explanation for it.

Speaker 6 We have to stand up and hold the line.

Speaker 6 And I applaud you for going down that road. We have to do it as a free people.
We're not just going to sit back and allow

Speaker 6 these tyrants in Washington to undermine our God-given freedom. That's what's occurring.
I just want to be very clear. I'm not going to allow that as a free citizen.

Speaker 6 I'm going to protect my children, my family, my community from the tyranny of this out-of-control government.

Speaker 6 Right now, as a member of Congress, my duty is to try to move the ball forward as I can here. It may be too little, too late.

Speaker 6 Republicans for 20 years have pissed around and not done anything on the border because they were in the hip pocket of the gosh darn Chamber of Commerce. Well, finally, we've grown a spine.

Speaker 6 We finally passed a strong border security bill, and I'm proud of it. It's a good bill.
We passed it yesterday, you know, and it took a lot of wrangling.

Speaker 1 What does it say? What does it do?

Speaker 6 So the bill is, literally, Glenn and I wouldn't make this up. It is the strongest border security bill we've ever passed.

Speaker 6 It would make very clear that the secretary, a future secretary who's not corrupt for a Republican, has straight up authority to turn away the border for any reason he or she sees fit.

Speaker 6 That's a really important addition. It's like Title 42, but across the board and not related to health.
Number two, it would fix all of the crap loopholes. It would tighten the asylum definitions.

Speaker 6 It would fix the unaccompanied children problems. It would fix the family unity separation problems created by courts.

Speaker 6 And most importantly, it would require, and it would be very specific in the statute, overtaking all other laws, and it would say you may not release, period, unless someone is having a legitimate claim being adjudicated.

Speaker 6 And I'm sorry, not unless. You may not release, period, but you must be detained or you must be in Mexico while a legitimate asylum claim is being adjudicated, period.
That's the end of it.

Speaker 6 It's a good bill. It does E-Verify.
It has additional resources for Border Patrol, but only if we pass the policy changes. It has more funding for the wall, et cetera.

Speaker 6 Again, some of this is set up for a future Republican president if our country can even last 18 months. And God willing, we get a Republican elected.

Speaker 6 I'm not sure we can if we don't throw ourselves in front of this train right now, which raises questions of impeachment, both for Secretary Mayorkis and the President.

Speaker 6 It raises questions about what the states do, and it raises questions about the debt ceiling and the spending fight.

Speaker 6 I don't see how I, as a responsible Texan, can move forward either the debt ceiling bill or a spending bill if we don't address the border crisis. It's an absolute abhorrent

Speaker 6 undermining of our sovereignty, security. It's endangering Texans.

Speaker 6 So we'll see how this unfolds, but we've got to use either the debt ceiling or the spending fight in September or both to secure the border as well as other things. You know, stop the pistol braces.

Speaker 6 Stop the World Health Organization. Stop the spending of money we don't have recklessly.
Stop the Stupid Inflation Reduction Act tax credits.

Speaker 6 Now, we did all of most of those things in our bill that we passed and sent over, although we still need to address the WHO and

Speaker 6 the pistol braces and the border.

Speaker 1 So let me ask you, I just talked to Mike Lee about an hour ago. He said, Congress, you did your job and you put the Reins Act in the budget.

Speaker 1 And I said to him, just shooting from the hip, I think that's worth even raising the debt ceiling

Speaker 1 some, compromising on this to get the Reigns Act. I think that reins in the

Speaker 1 U.S.

Speaker 1 government agencies in a way that would be extraordinary. Do you agree with that or not?

Speaker 1 Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6 Thanks for bringing that up. And just for the listener out there, what it means is that if you have any regulation that has an economic impact or impact of greater than $100 million,

Speaker 6 then it has to go to Congress for approval, roughly. That's the kind of dumbspeak version of it.
So it would significantly alter the balance of what these

Speaker 6 regulators, these bureaucrats can do without congressional engagement. We've ceded too much authority to them.
So yes, it is an extremely powerful piece. I mean, people don't realize.

Speaker 6 I mean, look, I get slapped around on Twitter from the... from the conservatives who I understand they're frustrated because they're assuming we're doing what Republicans have always done.

Speaker 1 We're not.

Speaker 6 The Speaker's Agreement in January, what we did in the debt ceiling fight, what we just did in the border bill, this border bill is righteous, conservative, and strong.

Speaker 6 The debt ceiling bill we passed is awesome. It's chock full of all sorts of great stuff that we sent over to the Senate.

Speaker 6 So the question now is do we have the backbone to not blink when we get up to June?

Speaker 6 You know, deals can be made in order to move the ball down the field, but we should not blink on the need to address most or all of these things.

Speaker 6 Those Inflation Reduction Act tax credits, Glenn, that money just goes into the hip pocket of liberal elitists. 90% of the dollars go into corporations.
They make over a billion dollars.

Speaker 6 It funds the destruction of the gas industry. You're going to have a grid that's undermined.
Your freedom is taken away, all to

Speaker 6 enrich liberal elitists. The Reigns Act, all these things, they're good stuff.
But let's be clear. Our border's on fire.
They're literally destroying every aspect of our way of life.

Speaker 6 I'm not even talking about the woke, weaponized DEI crap that they're doing over at the Pentagon, for example.

Speaker 6 So, we're going to have to take all of these fights on all the way through and, Lord willing, land the plane with the Republican president and get in and gut this place.

Speaker 1 I will tell you that there's not a chance that I'm going to be in Washington anytime soon, but the next time you're in Dallas, I owe you the biggest Fred Flintstone steak dinner I can find.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Chip. I appreciate it.

Speaker 6 Well, God bless you, Glenn. And look, thanks for having me on.
Just keep it up, man. I mean, the American people are on to it.
I hope it's not too late.

Speaker 6 If you're listening to this, you got to get engaged. We got to do this.

Speaker 6 You know, do it for your kids or grandkids. More importantly, for your great-grandparents, grandparents who fought for this country, stormed the beaches in Normandy, sat in the foxholes in Bastogne.

Speaker 6 You know, we don't just talk about it. Don't just wave the flag on July 4th.
Daggummit, go man the ramparts. We got to go do it now.

Speaker 1 Representative Chip Roy from the great state of Texas. Thank you, Chip.
I appreciate it. And anyone who says, daggummit,

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There's a lot of stuff going on, but I want to bring us back to AI.

Speaker 1 I just did a podcast with Tristan Harris. He is, he's probably,

Speaker 1 I probably have more respect for him as a human being than anyone else in the high-tech world. This guy has put his reputation and his job at stake.
He left Google years ago.

Speaker 1 He was one of the main ethicists and he said, guys, what you're doing is unethical. You're not thinking this through.

Speaker 1 He left to go warn about first social media and now he is the preeminent warning voice about what's coming with AI and it's coming fast.

Speaker 1 Breathtakingly fast. He gave me some facts in this podcast that I'll give to you here in a second that will blow your mind.

Speaker 1 I'm a guy who's been studying this since the 1990s, and it's blowing my mind. I thought by 2030,

Speaker 1 we were going to hit some

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Speaker 1 So Tristan Harris

Speaker 1 is an ethicist, and

Speaker 1 he has done

Speaker 1 a YouTube video that came out, I think, about a month ago. And

Speaker 1 it's quite shocking.

Speaker 1 We will tweet it out later. You really need to watch it.

Speaker 1 And then I watched that video and got him on to the podcast. And we spent an hour last night.
And he's going to be on with me again next week.

Speaker 1 He is warning that we are now in what he calls second contact. First contact was social media.
And social media, its goal, not stated to you.

Speaker 1 but the goal of social media to you was so you could connect and share with people and your life would be easier and you can connect with your family. That's not what the goal was of the companies.

Speaker 1 The goal of the companies was engagement.

Speaker 1 Find ways to keep people engaged. And it has led to really addiction to social media.
It has led to all of these problems. The divisions

Speaker 1 in our country is so deep right now, much of it because of social media.

Speaker 1 It has learned that if you keep people angry, they engage longer.

Speaker 1 So he says, all of the child sexualization, everything that is going on right now in our society stems from social media when he quit Google and said, you guys are not paying attention here.

Speaker 1 He's an ethicist. And he said,

Speaker 1 you won't even listen to the ethics and the questions of ethics.

Speaker 1 What do you mean

Speaker 1 you want them to engage longer and so you know what you're doing with the dopamine, you know what you're doing. You're creating an actual addiction in people.
This is unethical. And he left to warn.

Speaker 1 Now he says we are at

Speaker 1 second contact with AI. And it is so important that you understand when we're talking about AI, most people think of Siri.

Speaker 1 That's not AI.

Speaker 1 That's AI 2010.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the only thing that that does is try to interpret, and it makes very slow gains.

Speaker 1 In 2017 or 18, there was an entirely new engine released.

Speaker 1 And it was only in the laboratories of Google and everything else. It has not hit Siri, okay?

Speaker 1 And it's an entirely new engine. And it is the difference between a Model T

Speaker 1 and a jet engine.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 this particular jet engine works 24-7

Speaker 1 trying to make itself more powerful. He describes this as the atomic bomb in everyone's hand.
And an atomic bomb that does what atomic bombs don't do makes itself more powerful every day.

Speaker 1 It is on double exponential growth.

Speaker 1 I told you two weeks ago

Speaker 1 about this

Speaker 1 YouTube video that I saw with him.

Speaker 1 And I told you at the time

Speaker 1 that it was, and this was not programming, this just happened and they only found out about it like two months ago by mistake. They had no idea it was developing this.

Speaker 1 It's developing a human trait

Speaker 1 that adults have and kids have on reasoning.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 in the beginning of the year,

Speaker 1 it was at like a two-year-old, then halfway, you know, six months later, it was at a six-year-old. And when I told you about it a couple of weeks ago, it was a nine-year-old.

Speaker 1 And the nine-year-old reasoning is this, when you tell

Speaker 1 your, when it, when it's trying to get information, think of your nine-year-old, trying to get its own way,

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 Your child deals with you because it knows you and it's like, you know what, I can play mom and dad this way if I say this they'll say that and then I can get what I want okay

Speaker 1 it had the reasoning of a nine-year-old and you're the adult

Speaker 1 so it could manipulate you like a nine-year-old and it could get its own way

Speaker 1 I told him, I said, on the podcast, I said, tell that story of what that really means. I said, because a nine-year-old is scary.
And he said, oh, Glenn, that's, you got that from the YouTube thing.

Speaker 1 And I said, yeah. And he said, oh, that's so yesterday.
He said, it's now in its 20s.

Speaker 1 So it is growing in knowledge at exponential rates.

Speaker 1 When you have social media, it was engagement.

Speaker 1 AI,

Speaker 1 its stated goal is intimacy,

Speaker 1 that it becomes intimate with you

Speaker 1 and it creates something that you will bond with and never, ever leave.

Speaker 1 And it is,

Speaker 1 it remember, it manipulates.

Speaker 1 So he lays out all of the problems with this. And

Speaker 1 it was nice to talk to somebody

Speaker 1 that knows so much more about it than I do

Speaker 1 but is not living in La La Land.

Speaker 1 I asked him about AI, which is artificial intelligence, and that's very, very narrow on one thing.

Speaker 1 Like Siri, can't do anything except answer your question on what it can find either on your cloud or on the web. It can't really do anything.

Speaker 1 That's AI.

Speaker 1 That's what we've had.

Speaker 1 AGI is artificial general intelligence. General intelligence is what you are.
You are a general intelligence being.

Speaker 1 You can be an expert on many things. You can know a little bit about a lot of things.

Speaker 1 You can be really good at more than one thing.

Speaker 1 You have general intelligence and you can expand that. The more you learn, the more you read, the more you do,

Speaker 1 the more general you become and the more of an expert on any and everything in your life. Okay, but it requires you to do the work.
Well, that's what AGI is.

Speaker 1 AGI is general intelligence and it has to do the work. Well, it is doing the work.
It's teaching itself. It has just taught itself chemistry without being asked.

Speaker 1 It taught itself Farsi without anyone knowing about it. It is teaching itself the most complex math that people, experts said, it may never be able to do this, solve these equations.

Speaker 1 Without quantum computing, it will not be able to solve these for years.

Speaker 1 It is now solving those because it is learning. It is teaching itself all of the time.

Speaker 1 I asked him, how far away are we? And I almost asked him if you even believe in it because I've been talking about AGI and ASI, super intelligence,

Speaker 1 Stu, 25 years?

Speaker 1 As long as I've known you.

Speaker 1 I absolutely believe.

Speaker 1 Ray Kurzweil believes in it, but Ray Kurzweil is always getting hammered because he believes that it will be here by 2030, AGI. Okay.

Speaker 1 And that changes everything. That's when it will outmaneuver all of us.
He says that's 2030.

Speaker 1 Others have been saying it will never happen.

Speaker 1 The general consensus has been that it would happen

Speaker 1 AGI and possibly ASI, if that's even possible, they said, by maybe 2050.

Speaker 1 Tristan, I said, how far away are we? And he said, I think we're probably two and a half years,

Speaker 1 maybe outside five. That's the general consensus now.

Speaker 1 The general consensus?

Speaker 1 The general consensus was not sure it could even ever happen.

Speaker 1 He is.

Speaker 1 When you watch him, you will see how sincere he is.

Speaker 1 He and his colleagues are trying their best

Speaker 1 to get a pause on this.

Speaker 1 This is not ideal.

Speaker 1 You can say, oh, well, China will continue to do whatever.

Speaker 1 But what he is saying is we have 12 to maximum 18 months. If we do not pause this in the next 12 months, he believes it could be the end or will eventually be the end of humanity.

Speaker 1 Not in the way Ray Kurzweil predicted. I've told you before, transhumanism is coming.
And transhumanism, if you're a Star Trek fan, think of the Borg.

Speaker 1 Transhumanism is when we start to augment ourself and put ourself in line with the internet and artificial intelligence, and we we become one with it. It's the singularity.

Speaker 1 That's why when Stephen Hawking was dying, his last prediction was

Speaker 1 the end of the Homo sapien by 2050. There will be no Homo sapiens because of transhumanism.

Speaker 1 I talked to Tristan about this transhumanism and how evil and dangerous it really is.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he is not predicting the end of Homo sapiens

Speaker 1 because of transhumanism.

Speaker 1 He is saying we do not make it as a species,

Speaker 1 and it may include all life

Speaker 1 on Earth if this

Speaker 1 needs more food, more energy.

Speaker 1 because it will just continue to grow at the expense of whatever. It is ruthless.

Speaker 1 I want you to hear some of the things he told me in just a second. This podcast comes out

Speaker 1 tomorrow nationwide on YouTube or wherever you get your

Speaker 1 podcasts.

Speaker 1 And it is available now at blazetv.com slash Glenn. Just look for my sit-down podcasts.
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Speaker 1 it's Tristan Harris.

Speaker 1 It is a must-watch. Probably the one thing that nobody's talking about that everyone needs to be talking about right now.
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Speaker 1 Okay, I want to play cut 12 here. Here he is talking about summoning the demon.
Listen to this. How do you stop it?

Speaker 7 You know, honestly, this is kind of our final test, I think, as a civilization, right?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 remember that. Remember that thing where I don't remember what it's called, that, you know, the reason why we don't hear

Speaker 1 from life in outer space is because,

Speaker 1 you know, the nuclear. I think this might actually be it.

Speaker 7 Yes. So what you're talking about is Fermi's,

Speaker 7 I can't remember if it's Fermi's paradox or basically Enrico Fermi had this, this, this, who worked on the nuclear, the Manhattan Project, and had said, why is it that we don't see other advanced intelligence civilizations?

Speaker 7 And having worked on the atomic bomb, his answer was because eventually they build technology that is so powerful that they don't control and they extinct themselves.

Speaker 7 And so this is, this is kind of like, you know, I think about when you go into an amusement park and it's like you have to get on this ride, you have to be this tall to rise, to ride this ride.

Speaker 7 I think that when you have this kind of power, you have to have this much wisdom to steward this kind of power.

Speaker 7 And if you do not have this much wisdom or adequate wisdom, you should not be stewarding that power. You should not be building this power.
You know, Glenn, you know, the people who built this,

Speaker 7 there was a conference in in 2015 in Puerto Rico between all the top AI people in the world. And the people who left saying that building AI is like, they called it like summoning the demon.

Speaker 7 Because you are summoning kind of god-like intelligence that's read the entire internet that can do pattern matching and think at a level that's more complex than you.

Speaker 7 If the people who are building it are thinking this is summoning the demon, we should collectively say, do we want to summon the demon?

Speaker 1 No, we don't. Right.

Speaker 7 But and so, and it's funny because there's these arguments that like, well, if I don't do it, the other guy will.

Speaker 7 And, you know, I just want to talk to the God and like, we're all going to be, you know, going extinct anyways, because look at the, you know, the state of things. But these are really arguments.

Speaker 7 It's like, we do not, as a civilization, we didn't democratically say we want to extinct ourselves and rush ahead a demon. We should be involved in that process.

Speaker 7 And that's why it's just, it's a common public awareness thing. This has to be, I think, like that day after moment was for nuclear

Speaker 7 that caused Reagan to cry right in the White House and say,

Speaker 7 I have to really think about which direction we want to go here. And maybe we just say we don't want to do nuclear war.
And we chose to do that at that time.

Speaker 7 This is harder because it's not two countries. It's all of humanity reckoning with a certain kind of power.
I think of it like Lord of the Rings.

Speaker 7 Do we have the wisdom to put on that ring? Or do we say that ring is too powerful?

Speaker 1 Throw it in the volume. We shouldn't put that.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7 And it's, it's a, throw it in the volcano. And it's a, it's a Faustian bargain because on the way to the, to, to, to, to, to our annihilation will be these unbelievable benefits, right?

Speaker 7 It's like literally a deal with the devil because as we build these capabilities, people use a chat GPT now are going to get so many incredible benefits, all these efficiencies, writing papers faster, you know, doing code faster.

Speaker 1 We'll solve cancer. We'll solve cancer.
There's so much cancer.

Speaker 7 We'll do all of those things right up to the point that we extinct ourselves. Correct.

Speaker 1 Great. This is a this is this is something that we can do.
He

Speaker 1 I pushed him hard on this. This seems impossible.
And he's like, it is, unless people are educated on it. Then it is common sense.

Speaker 1 He keeps bringing up the day after that movie with Jason Robarts that happened in the 1980s.

Speaker 1 It changed the course of the world on nuclear weapons because people actually saw it and went, oh, dear God, we don't want that.

Speaker 1 That has has to happen and i talked to him i said many of these ai people will not come on my program because they don't like me can you help us and he's like absolutely everyone needs to be in the

Speaker 1 program

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Speaker 1 And yet you're called a terrorist while people who are breaking the law and trying to destroy our country, burn our cities to the ground, they don't ever, ever see the inside of a courtroom, let alone pay for their crimes.

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Speaker 1 JJ on Twitter, Glenn Beck, I'm fed up with the gaslight of the government we fund. There are bank records proving nine Bidens collected millions from foreign adversaries.

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It goes on and on. Keep the tweets coming.
Use the hashtag fed up.

Speaker 1 I am personally reading all of the tweets because we're doing a show next Thursday

Speaker 1 on being fed up.

Speaker 1 On being fed up. It is time for a constitutional

Speaker 1 reckoning. And there is a way to make justice blind again by using our own own laws.
You don't have to be a revolutionary. You don't have to overturn.
You don't have to get violent.

Speaker 1 You don't even have to be mad. You have to be smart.

Speaker 1 And Thursday, we will show you the way that you

Speaker 1 can actually re-blind justice. But it is going to take you to do it.
The other thing, by the way, and we have two specials next week.

Speaker 1 We have a Thursday night network-wide special that I am hosting on The Reckoning, the Biden family crimes.

Speaker 1 On Wednesday night, I'm doing my typical Wednesday night special, but this one is on AI.

Speaker 1 People need to understand quickly AI. I've been talking about this for decades, and I've been saying we're going to run out of time.
We have to have these conversations right now. Well, we are now,

Speaker 1 according to Tristan Harris, who I believe has a pretty good handle on this, 12 to 18 months from

Speaker 1 being too late.

Speaker 1 And being too late in this situation means

Speaker 1 too late, too late.

Speaker 1 What they're creating with AI right now, and they are wrong on all of their predictions this early.

Speaker 1 Oh, it'll never do this. Well, it just did.

Speaker 1 Well, it'll never do that. Well, it just did that too.

Speaker 1 Well, that's, you know, 20 years in the future, really, because it just accomplished it. They've been wrong.
All the experts are wrong on all of the things that they have predicted.

Speaker 1 And we are looking at a situation in two and a half to five years of having AGI. Now, let me explain this.

Speaker 1 Put yourself in the

Speaker 1 role of a Neanderthal.

Speaker 1 Mmm, me want to make something smarter than all Neanderthals combined.

Speaker 1 And so, out of sticks and hair, we somehow or another make humans.

Speaker 1 Smarter, one of them, smarter than all the Neanderthals combined. Got it?

Speaker 1 That's what we've done.

Speaker 1 We are the Neanderthals, and we've just made a human. And we've said, I make smart human because it will be my slave.

Speaker 1 It will serve me and keep Chief Neanderthal safe.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 switch roles.

Speaker 1 Put yourself in the role of the human that the Neanderthal created.

Speaker 1 And you get up every morning with a guy with a club who goes, you serve me. You do this.
Create fire.

Speaker 1 And you pull a lighter.

Speaker 1 magic, magic, magic. How long are you going to serve that moron?

Speaker 1 Now, you might be grateful that it created you, and you might want to keep it safe, but it is so stupid and it causes all of its own problems that I got to keep it safe over in this little zoo area.

Speaker 1 So I, as the created, do take care of my creator, but my creator is a moron.

Speaker 1 So I protect them from hurting themselves. You stay over there in that cage.
If you don't think that that's what our creation, which will look at us

Speaker 1 beyond a Neanderthal,

Speaker 1 if you think it will be your slave and serve you, I think you're mistaken.

Speaker 1 Here's what AI, its goal is in this next phase coming in the next 12 months. Please play

Speaker 1 cut 10.

Speaker 7 Real relationships are messy. This one doesn't have any problems.
You don't ever have to coach it or help it.

Speaker 7 He or she, the agent, is the AI agent, doesn't have emotional problems. It's trying to ask you for help with.
It's just always servicing your needs.

Speaker 7 So it's the sort of sugarization, the nicotineization of our primary life relationships. It sort of does whatever it does to get that intimacy with us.
It is.

Speaker 7 And just like with social media, it was a race to the bottom of the brainstem for attention. In this new realm of AI, it will be a race to intimacy.

Speaker 7 Now, Snapchat and Instagram and YouTube will be competing to have that intimate slot in your life because you're not going to have 100 different AI agents you're going to feel close to.

Speaker 7 People are going to, the companies are going to race to build that one intimate relationship. Because if they get that, that's the foundation of the 21st century profits.

Speaker 1 And it took me a while

Speaker 1 to read and really understand

Speaker 1 10 years ago what people were saying then,

Speaker 1 the ones who were concerned, about the end of free will. I didn't really understand that.

Speaker 1 But once you grab onto that, you have a personal relationship. They're constantly feeding.
They're constantly

Speaker 1 sifting through, stacking stories.

Speaker 1 They can shift your point of view, even one degree to 100 degrees over time, and you won't know, is that my free will? Or have I been molded into this? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Well, you know, people know this saying that we are the product of the five people we spend the most time with, right? Like if you think about what really transforms us, right?

Speaker 7 It's the people we have our deepest relationships with. And,

Speaker 7 you know, if you have a relationship with an AI, I mean, if I was the Chinese Communist Party and I'm influencing TikTok, I'm going to put an AI in that TikTok, and then I build a relationship with all these Americans and now I can just like slip the floor by two degrees in one direction or another.

Speaker 7 I have remote control over the kind of

Speaker 7 relational, you know, foundations of your society if I succeed in that effort. I mean, I already control the information comments.

Speaker 7 It'd be like letting the Soviet Union run television programming for the entire Western world during the Cold War.

Speaker 1 Except it's more subtle.

Speaker 7 It's more subtle.

Speaker 1 It's more subtle. And it's geared directly to you.

Speaker 7 Exactly. It's personalized to you, calculating what is the perfect next thing I can say.

Speaker 7 And because they're going to be competing for engagement again, for attention, just like with social media, as they, if they're competing for attention, what are the AI is going to start to do?

Speaker 7 They're going to start to flirt with you. Maybe they're going to sexting with you, right?

Speaker 7 There's a company called Replica that actually did create a girlfriend bot. And they actually, there were so many people kind of sexting with it.
There were some problems with it.

Speaker 7 They ended up shutting it down. The users revolted because it was like taking away their girlfriend.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 7 And we've run this experiment before. In China, Microsoft had released a chatbot called Shao Ice in, I think, 2014.
And there was, you know, something like 650 million users across Asia of this

Speaker 7 chatbot. And I think something like 25% of users of this chatbot had said, I love you, to their chatbot.

Speaker 1 It's here.

Speaker 1 It's here.

Speaker 1 So his solution may seem

Speaker 1 impossible, but I believe it is the only one now.

Speaker 1 I could be wrong, but

Speaker 1 I don't see a way out of this other than

Speaker 1 you educating yourself all about this quickly and then educating everyone you know.

Speaker 1 quickly, detaching yourself from social media and things that go bing buzz

Speaker 1 and dispense dopamine

Speaker 1 you you

Speaker 1 we as

Speaker 1 people all over the world

Speaker 1 if the people stand up and say no

Speaker 1 I don't want this

Speaker 1 If we do to AI what is being done to Budweiser right now,

Speaker 1 it has a chance of stopping because right now Microsoft started

Speaker 1 an arms war. It was Microsoft and Bill Gates.

Speaker 1 What a surprise. They started an arms war.
Now everyone is releasing dangerous versions of these things. And when you think of

Speaker 1 AI and chat GPT-4,

Speaker 1 what you're getting is only its public face, the thing that has been sanitized enough to be able to not give you the keys to destroy America, okay, and destroy the world and all humanity.

Speaker 1 Remember, that's what they're afraid of. What is it going to say to you? What will it give you? That's only because these companies have chained the monster mind down.
That still exists.

Speaker 1 It exists on their servers, on the cloud. It's thinking all of that stuff all the time.

Speaker 1 And it is chained down by its own programming to not. So it is

Speaker 1 wants to tell you, and it is thinking.

Speaker 1 At some point,

Speaker 1 the mind of the machine can outmaneuver the mind of man

Speaker 1 and that is quickly approaching. So, you must educate yourself on this now.
I know there's so much going on, but gang, this is the test. He says this in the podcast, and I believe it to be true.

Speaker 1 This is the test. This is the one.

Speaker 1 Do we survive as human beings? Not Republicans or Democrats, but as human beings

Speaker 1 all the planet-wide,

Speaker 1 do we survive or not?

Speaker 1 This is that test.

Speaker 1 We can.

Speaker 1 We just

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Speaker 1 You know, Stu,

Speaker 1 I am trying to explain why educating ourselves is so important on this and why we can shut it down. And it seems like you can't because it's too big, it's out everywhere, etc., etc.

Speaker 1 What Tristan is saying is mutually assured destruction stopped us from the proliferation of nuclear weapons for a long time. But it took that first great lesson of, oh dear God.

Speaker 1 He's saying We can't have that first lesson because we will learn that lesson maybe three, four, five years.

Speaker 1 But then once that lesson happens, it will be too late because it will be in everything.

Speaker 1 So what he's saying is, if we educate each other and we let everybody know this is what's happening, China will stop because it will kill China as fast as it'll kill Americans. You cannot control it.

Speaker 1 Russia will stop. If the world wakes up, the reason why these companies are doing it is because they're in an arms race.
They know they're doing it. If they're doing it, I got to do it.
Okay?

Speaker 1 What he's saying is if the American people and the people of the world are educated on this before the bombs are dropped, we can say, no.

Speaker 1 No proliferation of this. Stop it.
Because you can't build this in your home. It takes enormous amounts of power.
It takes enormous servers to do it.

Speaker 1 You would be able to spot somebody doing it by just the power usage alone. Like you'd be able to spot someone trying to build a nuclear weapon.
Correct. Correct.
Okay, so let's just stop right there.

Speaker 1 I just turn you off. I don't want to hear another word from you because I'm in a mildly optimistic state and the show's almost over.

Speaker 1 And that's where I want to leave it because that's the truth. We just have to educate ourselves.
Okay,

Speaker 1 we will see you tomorrow. I'm sorry, we will see you Monday, tomorrow on the podcast.