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Former President Donald Trump tells Glenn why he believes we’re on the verge of World War III and gives his response to Pete Buttigieg’s trip to East Palestine, Ohio. Will Russia invade Moldova next? Happiness expert Arthur Brooks joins to discuss how parents can combat the epidemic of depression among their kids. Glenn previews his podcast with Space Force whistleblower Lt. Col. Matthew Lohmeier. Power plants are being sold for scrap thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act. Utah state Senator Derrin Owens joins to expose how outside forces are trying to tank Utah energy. Bill O’Reilly explains why he believes Pete Buttigieg’s national career is “done.”
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Hello, America.

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It is the one-year anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine.

How are things going?

Also, how are things going in Ohio?

We have a man who might know the answer to both of those things, Donald Trump.

We're waiting on the phone now for the president to come the phone.

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President, how are you, sir?

Hi, Glenn.

It's good to talk to you.

How are you?

I'm very good.

Good to talk to you.

I'm great.

And I have to thank you for bringing so much attention to what's happening in Ohio and finally getting Buddha Judge to show up, who was there yesterday

and blaming you for the disaster somehow or another.

But thank you.

I didn't hear that.

I can imagine.

I always hear that.

It's incredible.

What did you learn from the people of East Palestine?

The unity is incredible.

The relationship to each other, the working with each other, the mayor was a great guy.

I did ask a question, what is your crime rate?

And it's almost zero.

So, you know, here we are in New York and different cities where it's

not only is it not zero, it's numbers that have never been seen before.

And horrible crime, too, just be getting whacked from behind your head with a baseball bat and things.

But I said, what's what's your crime rate?

Almost like,

gee, that's not a very smart question.

I mean, we have almost no crime.

Think of it.

You know, it's a beautiful thing when you look and see, and there's just a lot of love there, a lot of spirit.

They happen to love me because, I mean, the relationship, I got a vast amount of votes there, as you probably know.

I think it used to be a Democrat area, too.

But I got a vast amount of votes, and it was a beautiful thing to see how we just all came together.

And

Boot Edge Edge, you know, was supposed to say Boot Edge Edge.

He was supposed to be there, and he decided not to come.

And he came the next day, and he played to very small crowds.

Nobody cared.

It was too late.

I mean, he should have been there on day one, not weeks after this event happened.

It was a very horrific event, actually.

Horrible event.

The people can't trust the EPA, or they don't trust the EPA

on

the testing of the air, trying to get somebody.

We've been trying to hire some people to go do testing there for the people in

East Palestine.

And a lot of places just won't do it because

they don't want to break up their public-private partnership with the United States.

Who do you trust?

Oh, wow, that's incredible.

Well, that's happening in a lot of ways.

I mean, when you look at it, people don't want to get involved because, you know, the fascists that are running the country take, you know, umbrage at it.

They go after them.

And that's in many different ways.

You see it.

You see it even with law firms.

You see it with so many different things.

They don't want to take on this fascist, disgusting system that our country's turning out to be.

We're becoming like

a Soviet Union.

It's disgraceful.

And you see that in many ways.

So now you tell me that even engineer types are doing that.

It's just absolutely it's absolutely horrible what's happening to our country in so many ways, whether it's the border, the military, what they're doing with the military, so many different things.

It's very sad.

Very dangerous, very bad.

This is the one-year anniversary of the invasion into Ukraine.

And, Mr.

President, I can't find a good guy here.

I don't trust Putin.

I don't think he's a good guy.

But I know, because I did a lot of work on your so-called impeachment and what was going on in Ukraine, that's wildly corrupt.

And I don't trust our government, and I don't want to get into a war.

And we are now losing almost, we're close to losing the proxy part of this war.

And it looks like we're headed towards something where we are going head to head.

What is your take on this?

And how do we stop this?

So it's a very interesting question, and I have a little more experience because I dealt with Zelensky.

I made one phone call, and then I made a second call.

These were two congratulatory calls, once when he won first phase one of the election and one when he was one phase two.

They were, as I say, perfect phone calls.

I got unanimous in the House acquittal, unanimous from every single Republican.

Now, you haven't seen that too often, but every single Republican voted to acquit or to say innocent.

And that was a nice thing to see.

The Republicans came together, but I got to know a lot and learn a lot about the country.

Now, you know, the country is considered extremely corrupt.

In fact, we have a document that says you're supposed to report them, blah, blah, blah.

You know, everything, but

it is a very corrupt country.

I happened to like Zelensky for one specific reason.

When they asked him what I said,

was he threatened?

Was he, he acted as though it was a disgrace that they were doing

this.

He said, what did he do?

He didn't do anything wrong.

He just like, couldn't believe it, actually.

It was just a con by Nancy Pelosi and the con artists.

But Zelensky could have said, oh, I felt threatened.

I felt this.

I felt that.

Could have said that.

And it would have been harder.

We would have still won because it's still, you know, fortunately we had this

call taped in a way.

It was taped by

the people in government and in our government.

And it was very lucky that it was because we had all these people making up different stories saying they were on the call.

Probably they weren't even on the call, but they were liars.

And when the tape came out,

that was the end of their whole ploy.

Then they went on to something new.

But these are just terrible people.

But Zelensky, as you remember very well, and it was quite beautiful because I didn't know.

You know, I didn't know him.

I congratulated him on a victory.

But he came out and he said, absolutely, he didn't do anything wrong.

He didn't even know what they were talking about.

And he acted that way.

So I really respected that because he could have gotten some good political points.

And I really respected that.

And

so I like him.

Should we be sending

more money, more arms?

Now they're talking about planes.

Should we be doing this?

Well, we're going to end up in World War III.

That's one thing that's going to happen.

And I've been sort of saying that for a long time now.

Are you ready?

Just in a very quick nutshell, this is a war that should have never happened.

It would have never happened if I were in office.

Zero chance of it happening.

I used to speak to Putin about it, got along with Putin very well.

Don't forget, I was tougher in Russia than anybody else.

You're one of the people that faced that.

I ended their pipeline.

I sanctioned them.

I did so many.

And yet I still got along with Putin.

That's sort of a trick.

That's a hard trick.

It's a talented trick.

But I got along with them.

But

nobody.

I was the one that sent in the javelins.

I sent in massive numbers of javelins.

And Biden and Obama sent in pillows and they sent in sheets.

I know.

In a very small number.

But I gave them the javelins.

When they wiped out those tanks, they wiped them out with the stuff I sent.

There was nobody was as tough.

And the javelins was a big deal, but the biggest deal was I shut down the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that nobody even heard of until I came along.

So I let people know about it.

Nobody heard of it.

When you go to the Nord Stream pipeline, which you did shut down, Biden opened up.

Now there's some reporting that says we blew it up.

Biden did a covert mission and blew it up.

Do you believe that?

Well, it could have been us, and it could have been

Ukraine, and it could have been some third-party country that

wants to see trouble.

The one group it wasn't is Russia.

You know, they blame Russia for doing it.

This was a main, this is a main source of massive income to them.

They didn't blow it up to make a point.

That's the one thing I can tell you for sure.

Remember when it first happened?

They said Russia did it.

You know, Russia always said, Russia, Russia.

And I lived for years with that, where

everything gets blamed on Russia, gets blamed on you.

These people are sick, I'm telling you.

But it could have been.

It could have been working in conjunction with Ukraine, because Ukraine has total dominance over the United States, total dominance.

I mean, we've given them probably $150 billion,

and Europe has given them almost nothing.

And that bothers me.

That really bothers me because I had it out with them on NATO.

You know, we were taking care of NATO.

We were taking care of I got $450 billion from the European nations, from NATO.

That's the other thing.

Nobody was tougher on them.

But then they still beat us on trade because I had that just about stopped.

You know, Europe is almost as bad as China on dealing on trade.

They're very, very restrictive, very, very tough.

They don't take our cars.

They don't take our foreign products, meaning much of.

They don't do, you know, they treat us

with a lack of respect.

Well, they were starting to respect us a lot and big.

And we were straightening a lot of things out.

But the saddest part about the war is that this is a war that should have never happened.

Okay, so now it happened.

Now you have to get people in a room.

You have to knock heads and you have to get it done.

And

that would mean saying things to Putin and saying things to Zelensky that they're not going to want to hear and getting them into a room and getting it done.

People are dying by the thousands.

You know, Glenn, when I see the reports that they knocked down a city, you know, these cities are being leveled.

There's not a building standing in a lot of these cities.

I've seen pictures that maybe other people don't get to see.

Maybe they do.

Or take a look at the newspaper when they have a topographical picture of a city.

There isn't one building standing.

It's incredible.

And then they say

one person died and three people were injured.

No, no.

Many people died.

Many people were badly injured.

And we're not getting the true facts about what's happening in this war.

Let me ask you one more question because I know you're on such a tight schedule.

So let me just ask you one more question.

China is now offering to negotiate the peace there, but the Chinese just flew a spy balloon, which you know we didn't shoot down.

But today we're finding out that a U-2 spy plane took pictures of it.

It had a payload the size of three different buses.

It was being navigated, solar panels creating energy for it, and we allowed it to fly over our missile silos and Strategic Air Command.

This is dereliction of duty

if we're being kind.

Well, there are those that say, as you know, that Biden and the Biden family are truly conflicted and compromised with respect to China.

There's a lot of money going around, and it's substantial money and big money.

And decisions are being made.

I mean, when you look at what they're doing to us on trade, they're giving back so much of what I won, and it's crazy.

It doesn't make sense.

It's like the border.

It doesn't make sense to allow it will be 15 million people pretty soon.

15 million.

It's not three.

They used to say three.

The people are pouring in at will.

I'm watching hospitals are being overrun, and everything is being overrun by people that are coming out of their prisons, are coming out of their mental institutions.

They're overrunning our country.

Who would say that that's good?

I mean, what person would say that that's good?

But with China, they are perhaps compromised by China because decisions are being made that are very strange.

As an example, why wouldn't that have been shot down long before?

Because those messages don't sit in that balloon.

The messages are immediately transmitted on the second.

They're immediately transmitted.

So this thing flew all across our country, did its work.

It probably had nothing left to do.

It was heading back, and then they shot it down.

The whole thing is crazy.

So many things are so wrong.

Why don't we have voter ID?

Why are they allowing millions of people?

And many of these people are terrorists and people that are going to be causing us problems.

We're going to be feeling the border for many years to come.

No matter who it is, we're going to feeling it.

They are destroying and poisoning our country.

And you say, why are they doing this?

Why are they doing it?

But this is a family that could very well be compromised because why are they allowing this to happen with respect to China?

At the same time, the ultimate sin is taking place.

And I learned this when I was a young student studying history.

Never let China and Russia unify.

And we have let them unify.

We forced them into a unification.

We have.

And that's the most dangerous thing that can happen to our country.

Mr.

President, your people are giving us the high sign that you have got to go.

I hope we have a chance to talk again soon.

It's been a while.

It's good to talk to you, sir.

Thank you so much.

Anytime.

Thank you very much.

Thanks, Glenn.

You bet, bye-bye.

See you soon.

Bye.

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That was

quite an interesting conversation.

Yeah.

There was a lot there.

Yeah.

Some things you

I don't know that I've ever heard of a former president.

Our government is fascistic.

The fascists that are running our government, that would have, at any other time, at any other time, that would have stopped all the presses everywhere.

A former president saying that the current president is a fascist.

But they've been saying that about him when he was president.

So I guess it's no big deal anymore.

I guess they've set a precedent there.

Right.

That we will go into, this will cause World War III.

I think the quote was, we're going to end up in World War III.

That's quite the quote from a former president

and

someone who's obviously the

leader in the field to replace the current president.

And I think going, it's an interesting line to walk as far as talking about all this stuff from President Trump because he,

his best argument on this stuff is, I was already president and none of this stuff happened.

Correct.

And he shut down the Nord Stream pipeline and now he's saying we might have done that.

That's that was crazy.

Yeah.

And I think, you know, we've talked about this off the air a decent amount and a little bit on the air as well that the

you know, if it wasn't us, who did it?

And you go to their initial excuse that this was essentially Russia blowing up the pipeline.

And, you know, it just doesn't make any sense.

I mean, it just from a surface standpoint, it doesn't make any sense.

And I think that's what President Trump outlined as well.

I mean, could it be a third-party country?

Could it be a faction inside of Russia that wanted a far, you know, a right-wing faction that wants

faction that wants to prevent Putin from reconnecting to Europe?

I mean, that's possible.

That's really the

only real possibility.

The only possibilities outside of us.

I mean, why would they do it themselves?

After investing all this money and wanting at that time to

remain connected to the global economy, and it hadn't really evaporated completely yet.

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There's a story today that you look at this now a year later, and we're not getting the truth about Russia's economy.

And this one is

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We're being told that their GDP growth is 2.2.

Well, they shouldn't be growing at all, right?

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Right.

From them.

From them.

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Why are we believing Russia's growth numbers?

So we have this really fascinating story where you look at it and you see see what we're being told and then what the real numbers are, they're in deep, deep trouble, deep trouble financially.

This is something that NATO and the Biden administration should be taking a victory lap over.

Why did the president just say that it's not hitting them hard enough?

We need even more sanctions.

Why is our government putting out through the IMF something that

shows a lie that is based on all the numbers that Putin gave?

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Every single member of the press should be asking the White House today: you had photos from a U-2 spy plane, 1960s technology.

You had photos of the payload underneath that Chinese balloon.

It was navigating itself.

It had its own power supply.

It had antennas, satellites, it had

cameras on it, and it intentionally snaked its way over all of our missile sites, our silos.

and strategic air command.

And you knew it.

As soon as it got into our airspace, you knew it.

You have been tracking it since China.

But now we find out that we had pictures of a payload that was as big as three school buses.

And you let it go.

And then you lied to us for two weeks saying you didn't know what it was.

You thought it might be a weather balloon.

You knew it wasn't.

That should be the question at the White House right now.

Right now.

We are being lied to like crazy, like crazy.

And this can't stand.

The things that are coming our way are way too important.

Let me give you what the Asia Times is writing today.

I want to give you

just a little touch on this.

They're reviewing the week, and they're saying we had two speeches, one from Biden and one from Putin, and they happened within hours of each other.

And if you listen to them, you had Putin,

I mean, sorry, you had Biden saying that they are there till the end

and they're going to send the M1A1 tanks and maybe there's more.

But $500 billion was being committed in that speech.

Then the other speech, and I'm quoting, the other speech came from Putin who spoke for a whopping two hours on Tuesday evening, which he reiterated his commitment to total victory over Ukraine and how the United States was ruled by Satanists and pedophiles.

Unsurprisingly, Western media outlets simply refused to cover the speech.

Those that did were openly derisive.

The speech certainly was Castro-esque in its loquaciousness, but it was tinged with quasi-religious accusations against the West that would make most Iranian mullahs blush.

But there was substance in Putin's words.

He not only signaled that his commitment to the conflict was as strong as ever, but he was escalating it

in response to what he viewed as American escalation.

In fact, Putin issued his first significant threat towards the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, NATO.

He told his American rivals that they were to remove the offensive long-range weapon systems in Ukraine.

We're sending more, he told us this week: remove them, or Russian forces will begin directly targeting those systems.

Okay, there's a red line for you.

Now, most likely we have our soldiers on the ground helping with those long-range systems.

We know that because we've practically sent their photographs all around the world.

When any of those die,

is that a problem for us?

How do we respond?

Let me show you what I think could very well happen that you need to pay attention to

because it's over.

And as President Trump said, it will end in World War III.

This is a way that it will happen, and most people will never even understand it.

It'll be like the Archduke Ferdinand.

What?

Why do we even care?

And you're in war.

And it all centers around a small country called Moldova.

Here's something that you will know that most people don't, and you need to keep this in your back pocket and watch it.

So Moldova has always had ties to Russia, close ties.

More than 5,000 Russian troops have been stationed in Moldova since 2014.

Reason why Moldova is so important is because they have the largest artillery ammunition factory and storage facilities in all of Eastern Europe.

Both Russia and Ukraine are running out of artillery ammunition.

Russians are firing 30,000 rounds a day.

Ukraine is using about 20,000 shells.

Now, here's the real problem.

To give you some perspective, all across our entire country, the U.S.

makes only about 20,000

artillery shells per month.

So already Ukraine is firing what we can make and supply in a month.

They're using that every day.

Our stocks are running low now.

We don't have artillery shells in case we get into a war.

So then the guns fall silent.

Do you want to understand why we're talking about sending tanks and now we're considering the F-16 fighter jets?

Because as soon as that artillery goes dry, tanks and planes.

But the Moldovan ammunition storage facility contains more than 3.5 million 155 millimeter shells.

So the ammo dump has now more shells in Moldova than we make in 14 years.

Now, this is coming from the BBC, this part.

Listen to this.

They indicate that Ukraine now has massed about 20,000 troops on the Moldovan border with the possibility, possibility of the goal of invading Moldova and grabbing the ammo depot.

5,000 Russian troops have been stationed in Moldova and they're preparing for an invasion and Russia is now preparing a sort of Berlin airlift program to get more troops and equipment into Moldova.

This is a landlocked country.

They want to guard the territory and the ammunition for themselves.

Key factor that no one knows or is talking about.

Two days ago, Putin didn't just say, hey, I'm not paying attention to the nuclear start treaty anymore.

The Duma ratified that.

But also, he rescinded a years-old decree that recognized Moldovian sovereignty.

Basically, what this did two days ago was give him the right to claim Moldova as a province of Russia.

Now, you might want to ask, hmm,

why do they have so much of this ammunition?

Because it was a Soviet satellite, and

this was the center of keeping it.

So, why does it matter?

Well, because it's sitting between Ukraine and Romania.

Remember, Ukraine is not NATO.

Romania is.

Well, they can have a fight in Moldova.

No, they really can't.

Moldova and Romania allow,

try this on for size,

for dual citizenship.

From 2012 to 2020, the last year that they published any data, more than 800,000 Moldovans obtained dual citizenship.

So that makes them NATO and Romanian

You have almost a million people who are NATO citizens.

So if they are invaded by Ukraine, defended by Russia,

whatever that means for just the war, you have a million NATO citizens.

So

what are you going to do about that?

Because that is

direct conflict now, and you're killing NATO citizens.

And if

Ukraine goes in, then they're violating territory of a sovereign neighbor.

What do we do then?

Let me remind you one other thing.

Joe Biden sent in the 101st Airborne Division of the U.S.

Army, okay?

Where did he put them?

They are three miles away from the Moldovan border.

So they are in between the Russians and the Ukrainians.

This is how World War III begins.

This is how it happens overnight.

Ukraine wants NATO in the war, and so does Russia.

Ukraine wants NATO to help them defeat Russia directly, and Russia wants NATO in the war to justify and rationalize to their people, see, we were right, look what NATO's doing to destroy us.

We're dealing with a Hitler-like feet figure with Putin.

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Glenn Beck.

Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

Glad you're here.

Lots of fun.

It's Friday.

Yeah, we've only had a start of World War III so far in the show.

Fascist government.

That's it.

That's it.

Moldova is going to cause World War III.

But that's it.

Can you go into any more depth on

the Russian economy thing you were talking about?

Because they're saying it only shrank by 2.2%, which seems highly suspect.

Though I am reading in some other publications that it's been more resilient than expected.

Okay, so here's what it is.

That's according to the World Bank and Russia's GDP, 2.2.

So

they get it from Russia's Economic Bureau.

However, however,

Russia's car economy, which was 10.4% of GDP, is down now 99%

since the sanctions were put in place.

So if 99%

of one-tenth of

your economy goes offline,

you've wiped out 10% of your economy.

How can you only be down 2.2%?

Oil and gas sales brought 50% of Russia's GDP.

That's down 40%.

So it's also capping off 10% of its production.

So it's off 40%.

How could you possibly have that?

And by the way, they're capping their oil production.

That may not be able to be undone because of the permafrost effects on the Russian pipelines.

They may crack and never be able to be put through again.

Consumer retail has dropped by 65%.

If you look at the shopping centers, they're ghost towns with most of the stores closed.

Estimated 1.5 million Russians have fled the country.

The housing market has dropped 20%.

This doesn't add up to a minus 2.2%.

How is that even possible?

It's BS?

It's total BS.

Now, some of this could some of this be covered by the fact that they are clearly doing off-the-books sort of transactions with places like China.

Yeah, but then

how do you put it in a 2.2% GDP?

How do you

say you're arriving at that?

It doesn't make any sense.

Why is it

the IMF, who, by the way, we just fired the head of the IMF because

he wasn't strong enough on global warming?

So the new guy we have in is all with the WEF and global warming and says that's the biggest problem we have to solve, yada, yada.

I mean,

why

I think, I think the reason why we're heading into war is because that will trigger the net that we're all supposed to fall into.

That will topple this old system that they all want to get rid of and put us into new stakeholder capitalism, and the world will reset.

And we'll have fewer, you know, mouth breathers.

We'll have, you you know, less CO2 in the air.

Okay.

Now, I don't know, but that's the way I read this.

It just could be, I don't know, corruption?

What?

I mean,

why would you have this?

And at the same time, you know this is true.

Your IMF comes out and says, nope, Russia's telling the truth.

You know this to be true.

Why does the president give a speech saying, we've got to double down

If these numbers are what I say they are,

gosh, even close, you have them at the brink of collapse.

But they also know we're at the brink of collapse.

Everything that is happening in our lives right now is going to be a photo finish.

Who collapses first?

Which one?

Do the American people or does this new state collapse first?

Does Russia collapse before we collapse?

We are at the brink on so many fronts right now, and it's not just America, it's the entire world.

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Arthur Brooks, a brother from another mother.

And every time we talk to each other, we both go, why are we not talking to each other all the time?

How are you, Arthur?

I'm doing great.

How are you doing, brother?

Glenn?

I'm good.

I'm good.

You know, I reached out to you, what was it, about a month ago, and then so many things have happened.

We've had to keep rescheduling.

But

I wanted to talk to you because I've had

I've had three children that have been suicidal in the last

year.

And believe it or not, none of it had to do with what I talked to them about at the dinner table.

It is, there is something going on now

that is just sucking our children into profound darkness, hopelessness, and meaninglessness.

And

I wanted to get your take on it because

I'm sitting there and I have access to resources.

I am lucky enough to have a stable home situation with my wife.

We're great partners.

I have great relationship with my kids.

All of my kids came to me or my wife and said, I'm in trouble.

That doesn't always happen.

And even I and my wife were overwhelmed.

What do we do?

So can you walk us through some of these things of what's going on?

Yeah, no, as a social scientist, obviously this is getting a lot of my attention right now.

And as a happiness specialist, this is really critical.

Everybody wants to be happy.

Your kids want to be happy.

We want to be happy.

And look, we all struggle.

This whole idea that, you know, is being, we're being told increasingly over the past few decades that you have depression or you don't have depression.

You have anxiety, you don't have anxiety.

These are not switches, Glenn.

These are dials.

And everybody is suffering in different ways.

This is the important thing for us to keep in mind.

We want a diagnosis and then treatment and treat it in some way that will get rid of the problem forever.

The truth of the matter is that there's a lot of suffering in life.

And you and I are Christian men.

We know that suffering is very, very sacred.

But when you take the sacred out of the suffering, you're going to be in big trouble.

And that's what's happening to young people and a lot of not-so-young people today.

Wait, wait, wait.

Can you explain, take the suffering out of

what did you just say?

Sacredness out of suffering.

Yeah, sacredness out of suffering.

This is the thing.

I mean, back back in the 60s, you know, I got no, you know, I got every kind of beef with the hippies, and you do too.

They had a really terrible life strategy that was, if it feels good, do it.

I remember when my dad, you know, you and I were little kids, you know, and that stuff was going down.

I remember my dad watching a hippie on TV saying that he's like, that's the end of America.

And the same thing.

He was kind of right.

But you know what?

It's much worse now because now our young people are being told, if it hurts, make it stop.

Because unhappiness is your enemy, and it's evidence that something's wrong with you.

There's something defective with you.

The truth of the matter is that getting from one end of the day to another has many joys and it has many sorrows.

And what we need to do is to understand ourselves, to love each other, to support each other.

And that's exactly not what we're doing.

I mean, social scientists like me, we look at it this from 40 angles and you find all these influences that are doing it.

But altogether, here's what's going on.

Our society is giving us one substitute for another for the sources of love in our life that can put all of our feelings and all of our experiences into context.

Social media is substituting for human love.

Dating apps are substituting for meeting real people.

We find that

the technocracy and government is pulling our communities apart.

It's fragmenting our families.

It's making it easier to not work.

It's making it harder and harder for us to practice our faith.

Love is declining

and technology is increasing.

And the result of all of that is that people don't have any way to understand the nature of what their life actually means.

And none of us are safe, Glenn.

I mean, none of us are safe.

And our kids aren't safe from this.

I mean, the truth is that, you know, there's four strategies to be happier in life.

And they're all about love.

There's faith, there's family, there's friendship, and there's work where we serve our sisters and brothers.

Boy, look at that.

You know?

Everything,

all four points or pillars are under attack.

Absolutely.

You know, we are, and again, there's nobody, and you can say there's a dark force behind this, but you're not going to say that there's some person in government or some tech executive that's trying to attack these things.

No.

But what they're giving us is inadequate substitutes for the sources of love in our our life.

And the people who are most prone to seeing these things and getting addicted to these things, and the neurophysiology of this is very clear.

You can get addicted to smartphones just as easily as you can get addicted to gambling or methamphetamine or highly glycemic carbohydrates for that matter, or alcohol, or other horrible, horrible, love-destroying things like pornography.

What they do is they give you a neurochemical high instead of the love that you actually crave.

And that's what's going on.

And young people are the ones who, their brains aren't developed as much.

Their values aren't developed as much.

And they're very easy to fool.

And they're being used for money.

One other thing, Glenn, by the way.

You know, in our society today, which is unbelievably polarized, baby boomers, people our age and older, are conscripting child soldiers into their culture war.

And we're freaking them out.

We're making them say that if you disagree with my views on the climate, then you're evil.

That if you disagree with my ideas on COVID, then you're evil.

I'm going to cancel you.

And this is going on on our side on the right.

It's going on the other side on the left.

And we've got to stop doing that too, because that's a zombie religion.

And it's not going to help.

You know, Arthur, I will tell you,

I hope we're at the end of this crisis in our family.

And it has been

the hardest probably six months or a year

of my life, my wife's life, and our relationship together.

And

we got to the end of this, and I said, or hopefully the end of it, and

I said to Tanya,

well, we made it.

Can't believe.

What did we learn?

And we were talking about it.

And

I think what we learned is our faith, our faith in God was mature enough to be able to say,

we can't fix everything.

And

we have to give this over to God.

Do what we have to do and all that we can do.

But the outcome is not in our hands.

And

even if it's a bad outcome, it will work for his purposes.

We'll find good in it eventually.

And

that sounds crazy to say, but it's what got us through.

You know, what you just told me is that there's sacredness in suffering.

You said it more eloquently than I ever could have.

Because what you understood, and this is the growth that actually comes from the trauma of life and that brings us closer to each other and it brings us closer to God.

is that actually only when we can understand the nature of our suffering, what we're learning from it, how we're loving each other better, then do we understand what it means to be fully alive and putting one foot in front of the other on this earth?

But if we're going through life and

the campus counseling center is saying if you're feeling any sort of you're feeling any sort of sadness, you better get in for counseling right now

and

because of liability reasons.

Everybody's pounding our kids with this idea that if you feel rotten, something's defective about you, something's wrong with you, and it's bleeding over into our generation too.

It's a huge mistake.

What we need to do is to understand that, look, life is

a huge adventure.

There's a lot of good, there's a lot of bad.

And, you know, every day, if we can get down on our knees and thank the Lord for all of it, every single bit of it, this is the day that the Lord has made.

I will rejoice and be glad in it.

Not I'm going to enjoy it.

Right.

Every single minute.

Right.

So, so,

Arthur, when you look at

what's happening and

you try to navigate through it, one of the things that I had a problem with, and we went to many doctors to talk to them before our kids ever saw any of them.

And I wanted to know, look, I'm from a generation that would have said, you relate to this.

Get up.

Stop whining about it.

Get to work.

Go do stuff.

Focus.

You know what I mean?

And now all of society is like, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that, don't do that.

And I asked the therapist, I said, I don't know what's real and what has been caused by society.

You know what I mean?

I don't know if I'm doing more damage by being careful

or I do more damage by doing what my grandfather would have done.

And

they said they don't really know because this is so new and it's sometimes a combination of both of them.

Yeah.

Can you comment on that at all?

Yeah, no, there's a huge amount of mystery enshrouding this.

And the truth of the matter is that we go through waves of incredible intellectual or psychological distress.

This goes in waves and it has throughout society, going back literally hundreds of years.

So you'll find, for example, remember when you and I were little kids and there was this huge, huge problem of kids running off and joining cults?

Yeah.

You remember that?

Yeah, yeah.

And it's like, and then it stopped.

You know, it stopped.

You know, all of these self-harmful behaviors, you know, there was a time, you know, back when there was this book called Sybil in the 1970s about a woman with six personalities.

And there was this unbelievable explosion of people that were reporting.

to mental health authorities, to doctors' offices and to hospitals with multiple personalities.

I mean, we don't understand why these things happen, whether they're suggestion, you know, how much of these things are actually coming from, you know, what's reality and what actually isn't.

But what we do know is there's the stress and there are, we do know some things that actually work and that all of us can do right now.

And especially as parents, there's a bunch of parents listening to us and they're relating to you in a big way.

And I talk to people all the time.

It doesn't matter if you're rich or you're poor.

you're subject to this because you know our kids are walking around in this society today number one tough love is fine but it's got to be love more than tough yes And so it's saying to your kids, no matter what happens, we're going to be together.

No matter what happens, we can, and guess what?

There's a solution to literally everything.

You rob a bank.

I'm going to still love you.

And, you know, don't freak out.

It is so.

Don't freak out when something's wrong with your kids.

It is so weird

when you get into this situation,

how much your kids think

whatever it is they've done or whatever it is they're thinking that it's unforgivable and they won't be loved.

I think that's universal.

And when

Tanya and I

we would sit down with the kids and they would talk to us about what they were going through, what they were thinking or what they had done or whatever.

There were times that Tanya and I, I know, were inside going, ah!

But we just, we had agreed before, do not react, don't react, and then just say, you know what?

Let's pray on it and give ourselves time to decompress.

And when I said to each one of the kids, whatever it is they were dealing with, you know, even if this goes, you know, horribly awry and your life doesn't go any way the way you think it's going to, you know that we're always your parents.

You know that,

you know, if you, you know, if you ever did something that caused you to go to jail, We're still the ones that are going to be visiting you because we'll always love you.

And each of them

broke down at that moment and it shocked me because we have such a good relationship with our kids that i thought they would know that but sometimes you have to say it to them

Yeah, there's so many things that you need to make overt in these relationships.

And it's, I mean, Glenn, the data is so interesting about how kids learn about these values.

Now, remember when you and I first understood our relationship to the master, first understood our relationship to God.

That was when your first baby was born.

Yeah.

And you're like, oh, that's how God loves me.

Well, your kids haven't had kids yet.

They don't know that.

They don't understand the nature of

mystical, you know, love that's unencumbered by outside values, that you are going to love them forever.

They don't know that.

You know, there's a lot of other interesting things that we forget as parents.

You know, I have this, these are some very interesting data that show, for example, that, because I talk to people who fret a lot, you know, how do I,

Christian people, Jewish people, Muslim people, they want their kids to grow up in the faith, and they see all these kids wandering away and being miserable as a result.

They ask me, they ask me a lot, what's the number one thing I can do?

And the number one thing, Glenn, that you can do to make sure your kids practice the faith is see their dad practicing the faith.

And there's a reason for that.

As a little kid, the strongest human being you've ever seen in your life is your father.

I mean, my dad, I thought he was like six foot two, and I thought he could lift the house.

Now, my dad dad was a college professor So there was not a lot of lifting going on, but I didn't know that right

and

And I'm telling you, here's the deal.

My dad bent the knee to no man, but my dad was on his knees saying his prayers with me at night and was on his knees on Sunday.

And I saw that and had a big impact on me.

Your kids learn that way with the way that you love unconditionally, the way that you worship with faith, the way that you offer up your own troubles and trials and put them at the foot of the cross, the way that you love your wife unconditionally.

Hang on.

That's really what it's all about.

Arthur, I got to put you on hold for about a minute.

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Arthur,

give me the four pillars.

Again, it was faith.

It was work.

Faith, family.

Friends or community.

Friends and work.

This is the thing.

And these are different ways that we love.

You know, the Greeks, the ancient Greeks, they had 11 words for love.

We have only one, and it's very desiccated.

You know, it's kind of a, it doesn't get to the point.

You know, we have so, we have a huge repertoire of ways that we can love and be loved.

And this is the essence of it.

You know, St.

John the Apostle in his gospel, he says, like,

just remember that God is love.

You know, St.

Augustine, when he was asked, you know, early on in the Bible, the whole idea that, you know, in Deuteronomy, where the Jews are enjoying to love the Lord your God with all your soul and all your strength and all your mind and all your means.

And Jesus is asked, what do I remember?

How do I do that?

And he says, love God and love your neighbor.

And then St.

Augustine says, if you can't even remember that,

just love and do what you will.

That's why, and that's he was interpreting St.

John, that God is love.

And man, when I'm telling you all of the problems in our society, and I say this as a scientist, I don't say this as just a,

as, you know, somebody who

can faith, by the way,

it's more valuable than my social, my PhD, I'll tell you.

But this is the key thing to remember that love solves these problems.

And when we don't have love in our society and our children are being exposed to these forces that are antithetical to love, that are driving out love with fear, because fear and love are opposites, they are going to have these problems, and so are we.

Okay.

Arthur, hang on.

I want to go through your list of things that you think that parents should know and do, and we'll do that when we come back.

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

We're talking to Arthur Brooks, who is a dear friend, a man I deeply, deeply admire.

He is a, don't hold this against him, a Harvard Kennedy School professor, a business, Harvard Business School professor as well.

And he studies happiness.

He has studied it all over the world.

He's also

a student of the capitalist movement and

how capitalism or how the free market is a better word, when it's truly free, leads to so much good.

He's really fascinating to talk to and to read.

Arthur, we have 10 minutes, and

I want you to give

the things that parents need to know that you think are really important,

maybe how we can even help shore it up so our kids don't go through this.

But I also want to ask you a question, and we can deal with this any way you want.

You know, there's a problem.

Our youth, everybody thinks that our youth is awful.

And I don't think so.

I don't think they're weak.

I don't think they're awful.

I find them curious.

I find them hungry.

You know, not all of them, but a lot of them.

And, you know, if you go back in time, my grandmother's parents were saying that ragtime or swing was really bad.

My dad, you know, the big bands are really bad.

Elvis is bad.

Ozzy Osborne is bad.

It's the end of our society.

Is this time different?

Is Facebook and cell phones, is it just

another

kiss or Ozzy Osbourne?

Or is this one different?

This change different?

Are you there?

Yeah, something happened.

I don't know why.

We cut out here for a second.

So your question is, is this time different?

Is this somehow different?

And the answer is no.

You're exactly right, Clinton.

I mean, you go back to Plato was complaining about kids these days.

Jesus was talking about woe be unto this current generation.

I mean, look, there's trouble with the next generation.

You know, everybody born between 1925 and 1945, they're called the silent generation.

They were named that by the people from what was called the greatest generation, born between 1905 and 1925.

By the way, named by the greatest generation.

They called themselves the greatest generation.

And they called the silent the silent because they were a bunch of slackers, right?

I mean, it's like this is the most common thing.

People have problems.

It's hard to be young.

It's hard to find your way.

Your prefunctal cortex, especially if you're a man, is not entirely formed until you're 25 years old.

You feel lost.

You feel, you know, you're rootless.

You don't exactly understand who you are.

You're trying to acquaint yourself with a sense of self.

That's what it comes down to.

That's why we need families.

That's why we need faith.

And the key thing to keep to remember is basically this.

If we want a full-on comprehensive strategy on how to protect our friends and look at what the threats are, then we go back to the four pillars of the happiness straight, your happiness 401k plan, which is faith, family, friends, and work.

What are the big threats for our young people today?

When it comes to faith, the big threat is that whole families are falling away from the faith, and we're offering kids social movements and social justice and politics, which is your zombie religions.

I got nothing against social movements.

I got nothing against social justice.

I got nothing against politics.

You and I have done a lot of politics in our time, but they are not faith.

They're an inadequate substitute.

They're zombie religions.

The second thing is family life.

You know, and family life is, is, I mean, it's critical, except that we're telling kids that they shouldn't get married until they're 30, that they should maybe not have kids because it's horrible for the environment.

We're telling kids that the most important thing that links them cosmically to other people is like their demographic identity.

That is insanity.

That's false family life.

And it's inadequate to them, but they don't know why.

which doesn't give them substance.

Friendship, the threat on that is social media.

No joke.

Social media

is like radon gas.

It's going into every nook and cranny of life and it's crowding out.

It's substituting for in-person relationships, which is, I mean, neurophysiologically, it couldn't be clearer.

We crave a peptide, a neuropeptide in the brain called oxytocin.

It's what links us together, and it's intensely pleasurable.

You get it from eye contact and touch.

You don't get it from social media.

Social media is like the burgers and fries of social life.

It'll fill you up and give you too many calories and it won't meet your nutrient needs.

So you'll binge on it and actually even get lonelier.

And last but not least is work.

You know, we're moving away from meaningful work, especially for young people.

It is insanity that we don't have opportunities for young people to actually have real jobs where they can do things and

feel fulfilled themselves.

This is what we need, Glenn.

This is a full-on strategy: real religion, more family, real friends, and actual work.

And this will take care of a multitude of problems.

If you were a

mom or dad like I was just recently, and your family is on fire and you feel very, very alone,

any advice directly to the parents that are either entering it now or deep into it?

Bring them closer.

Anytime a kid is running away, is in real, real crisis, don't let them run.

I mean, just chase them down.

Keep them close.

Keep them with you.

This is the key thing that a lot of parents forget.

You know, my kid is like, he doesn't want to be with me and he's only hanging out with us.

I'm going to give him space.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

No space.

More love, less space is what it comes down to.

And part of the reason for that is that a lot of times we don't know what we actually need.

Their friends are not giving them the love that they actually seek.

The social media is actually making things worse.

They're getting fired up at school to become culture warriors and to be afraid of absolutely everything.

And the one thing they actually

can count on is the love of their parents.

Pray together, eat together, say, I love you every single night.

You know, I know that's hard for a lot.

There are a lot of people listening to us from Minnesota.

You know that old joke, Lennon, that there's a man in Minnesota who loved his wife so much that he almost told her.

And I know it's hard for a lot of people, but you got to do this.

You've got to hold them close and bring them closer and say, I know you're suffering.

No matter what it is, we're going to do this together, babe.

We're going to do this together.

Yeah.

I will tell you that

we're so blessed to have been open and honest with our kids about really everything

our whole lives.

And we've never treated them like kids.

I mean, you know, you're going,

we're going to the White House, kids.

Come on, you're coming with us.

And you will sit there and you will listen.

And we've included them on everything that most people wouldn't.

And

we just are now seeing the payoff of that

because we worried, you know, what's going on in their life and everything else.

And when it really mattered, each of them came to us and they were the ones who told us.

and

to some degree knew that it was okay.

I really feel for those parents who

don't have that relationship because then it's got to be doubly hard.

Well, parents make two big errors when it comes to the crisis in their kids.

Number one is that they'll give kids space when they say they want it.

And number two is that they freak out.

Nothing good ever happens from freaking out.

There's actually a whole, believe it or not, whole psychological literature on how damaging it is to freak out.

People think you have to be cathartic and express your anger and, you know, cry it out.

That's wrong.

You need to not freak out.

My older brother had kids way younger than me.

I mean, and he's older than I am.

And I said, give me one piece of advice when my kids were born.

And he said, just don't freak out.

I said, about what?

He says, you'll see.

You'll see.

And you know what's funny is you learn that when your child, your first child, falls down and hurts themselves.

They first look to you.

And the first time, my first child, I was like, oh my gosh, oh, you okay?

And they cried.

After the first child, they would fall down and I'd go, who just fell down and went, boom.

And they'd laugh.

I mean, they really look for, they feed off of your reaction.

Yeah, and it's when it's something really dire, like you're talking about with your kids, keep them close.

Don't freak out.

If you need to cry, cry with them.

Yeah.

But do the whole thing together.

It's not, this is, it's not going to be the end of the world.

And it's funny because, you know, a lot of people listening to us have little kids.

The problems that you're going to face, even if it's not, your child is thinking about tremendous self-harm.

I mean,

I got a son who's a special operations marine.

And, you know, I lay awake nights when he goes on field trips.

I mean, it just, you don't, you don't know.

He's a scout sniper in the U.S.

Marine Corps.

He's 22, married.

His wife's having a baby.

I mean, it's like,

these are,

thank God.

I mean, thank God.

But these things are still incredible worries.

This is the kind of sanctified suffering I'm talking about.

To put it all into perspective and say, we go through this together.

We get closer to each other.

We get closer to God.

And we're certainly not going to offer this up on the altar of social media and inflammatory politics because nothing good is going to come from that.

Yeah.

It's always good to talk to you, brother.

Thank you so much.

And when are you coming to Dallas?

I would like to do another podcast with you.

When are you coming?

I'm coming.

I'm in Dallas as often as I can be.

And you had a good sense to actually leave the East Coast and go there.

I should do that too.

Hello.

I will be there.

Yeah, good.

I'm going to be there in the next few months.

I'll give you a heads up.

Okay, thanks a lot, Arthur.

Appreciate it.

Arthur Brooks, Harvard Kennedy School and Business School professor.

You can find him at arthurbrooks.com.

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I told you, oh, last,

what was it, a year and a half ago, no, a year ago,

when they couldn't pass the Build Back Better bill, I said, please call your senator and your congressman and do not,

do not let them pass another bill because what they're going to do is take the Build Back Better bill and break it up and put it into whatever it is they're passing, the Let's Save Puppy Dogs Bill.

Well, it wasn't the Let's Save Puppy Dogs Bill.

It was the Inflation Reduction Act, which has

very little to do with

reducing inflation.

In fact, they are all on the record now at the WEF when they're speaking to their own crazy constituents that this is a climate bill.

Now, here's, I'm going to give you just pieces of this.

They've broken it up and the Build Back Better bill, and they've put pieces all over the administrative state.

So they're now starting to put all these pieces back together to assemble a machine that destroys us.

And one of the things they are trying to do is to destroy any gas or coal-fired power plant.

And they are offering these companies massive incentives like a hundred and fifty percent of your profit to shut the plant down we'll give you that profit for the next 10 years and you don't have to do anything

what do you think businesses are going to do okay how many are gonna say no I'm gonna fight the government on this and you know maybe I'll be profitable no they'll shut it down and then what happens they don't get the money until that plant is shut down and sold off.

Well, you're starting to see these power plants being sold off for scrap.

The problem with this is, if this doesn't work,

it will take you a decade at least just to rebuild what we have online right now.

They're destroying all of it.

Now, there are a couple of states, but the one that's really leading this right now

is Utah, because Utah is the one that makes all of the California electricity.

They make a lot of electricity from all over the West, but they also have a

kind of a public-private partnership, I think, kind of like Disney had with Florida.

Their power plant

is

in a partnership with the state, and the state needs to now protect against what they may be doing.

I think I have that part of it right.

Senator Darren Owens,

he grew up in a sawmills and a small ranch

in the mountains of Arizona, and he is now a Republican state senator for Utah, and he is trying to fight

the outside forces and the government forces trying to just destroy our energy supply.

Darren, welcome.

Thank you, Glenn.

Oh, boy, are you spot on on this topic?

I was hoping you were going to say I was wrong on some of that.

I wish I could say that.

And it is treasonous.

And

it didn't happen yesterday.

No.

This has been 30 years in the making

this public-private partnership with Utah,

but then they start to merge away from any agreements with the state, like using our coal resources.

And we're watching 3,000 jobs disappear.

And

just Build Back Better is Build Back with Nothing.

Correct.

The plant that they, it's still in the works.

We don't know that it's going to work for sure, but they're moving to a plant that has two-thirds less the capacity of generation.

and we are saying, as a state, you're going to leave that coal unit up just because of what you just said.

What if it doesn't work?

Right.

Then we can't spend the time to rebuild this.

So we have just brokered a deal.

I'm running a bill today, and it's been a hot topic for the past few days, but we're going to make sure that since they have been part of our state political subdivision status,

there's an agreement that that plant is going to be standing and operable.

Okay, so do you have the votes for it?

We have the votes for it.

We have actually even

kind of an agreement last year.

We had to really start peeling back like Florida did, taking back some of the amazing benefits that we had given them.

And you don't see it.

We're just a citizen legislature.

I'm a school counselor and teacher.

But they do this full time, and they had

been lobbying legislation.

So over time, they had been kind of giving themselves imminent domain.

Oh, my God.

Removal from Open and Public Meetings Act.

They were exempt from state procurement law.

And the scary thing is they had made this thing called segmenting where they could clone themselves.

So any international company that came in and landed on that site with them, they could create another, they would all have these same benefits.

Oh, my gosh.

You've pulled all that back last year?

Yep, just like Florida.

We were lucky to see it.

I mean, we were on a small dimension of what Florida did, but we got all that pulled back.

We went five for five bills last year.

And this one this year on our energy policy is good.

We're going to keep the plant standing.

So what you're seeing.

Right.

So, Darren, can explain to people

what it means when you say they're moving to a plant that has two-thirds the capacity, right?

Or down two-thirds, which is it?

You lose a third?

1,800 megawatts is the output of the current coal-fired plant.

And it's reliable.

It's a machine.

It is reliable and baseload, it can push that power to California.

But the new plant that they're building right adjacent to it is

840 megawatts.

So they're coming down from 1,800 to 840.

How is that?

I mean, that's not even logical that you think that

that would be a good thing.

It's not.

We're doubling in population in Utah, and we're going to cut our capacity to produce power.

So they have this old power plant, and instead of keeping it as a standby or anything else, they're being incentivized to sell it off or sell it for scrap, correct?

Spot on.

Their plan was to tear it down immediately because the EPA, the federal overreaches, the boogeyman is saying we'll shut you down right now if you don't have plans to tear that down immediately.

What you were saying is you started the show.

Incentivize, also, yeah, shut it down.

You get incentivized for 10 years.

It's happening.

It is so bad.

Okay, so the bill that goes through today,

what exactly does it do?

Yeah, good question.

It that

you're not going to sell off any of these assets of the plant.

You're going to leave them whole.

You're going to give notice to the state

and when they're going to have to move a few of the parts over to as they go to this new gas hydrogen plant.

Unproven, by the way, but even the LA Times called it that.

They'll leave a few parts over, but they have to leave the plant standing.

And then when they walk away, it belongs to the state of Utah.

It doesn't have to be eminent domain.

Wait, wait.

Gas hydrogen plant.

Are they making hydrogen or are they burning hydrogen?

What are they doing?

My word.

I'm sorry you asked.

They planned to use electrolysis and break up Utah, our scarcest water.

We're the second dryest state in the nation.

They bought 45,000 acre-feet of water back in the day when they were going to put up

four coal units.

They only put up two.

And they're going to start breaking that water up, which takes two and a half times the power to do.

What?

To make...

I know.

It's crazy.

If you have that power, why don't you sell it on the grid?

See, this is another thing that I believe is in the Inflation Reduction Act.

If you make

hydrogen, no matter how it's being done, if you make hydrogen, you get subsidies for that.

So

right?

So

even if it takes twice the amount of electricity to make the

hydrogen,

you get incentivized and paid by the United States government.

We're going to be powerless and broke by the end of this thing.

We're manufacturing a crisis.

And

wasn't it James Madison who said crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant?

And

that's what they're manufacturing.

So that

it's troubling.

Darren, thank you so much.

Are you guys working with other states to

get in on this, to make sure that other states are aware?

We haven't.

We've just been applauding Florida, what they've been doing, and stand on our own right now.

Okay, you inspired us when you came and visited our legislature last month, Glenn.

Thanks for doing that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Darren, I appreciate it.

Really great to talk to you and keep up the good work, and we'll be watching that today.

Please, please call your state senator if you're in Utah and tell them you want this bill to pass that you heard with Darren Owens today.

You demand that that bill is passed.

And I'm telling you, this in a couple of weeks, I'm going to give you all of the details on this.

When you see what they have done,

it is anti-America, and they are going to destroy us, and we are paying for it.

But you can stop it in your own state if you know about it.

So please prepare yourself.

Come with a notebook on that

special

because it is

the end of the power grid as you know it, if we don't stop it state by state.

Back in just a minute.

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Look, I have said forever,

hydrogen is the solution.

But if you look at what just happened with the train,

you're moving liquid hydrogen in what?

On train tracks?

You're moving hydrogen in what?

A pipeline that you're going to have to cross all kinds of areas to be able to deliver that.

Hydrogen is the answer, but you can't just make hydrogen because

you're using more power to make it than it will generate.

And if you're making it someplace, someplace else, and you need to get it out to other places, how are you going to do that?

And the Build Back Better, I'm sorry, the Inflation Reduction Act is all about that.

It's all about that.

And they know there's no current way to make hydrogen cheaper

and

effective using less energy than what you'd get from hydrogen.

This is nonsense.

And did you know your tax dollars are going to

pay for other people all around the world to shut down their power plants?

Get off of coal,

make some hydrogen?

Power is civilization, it is.

That's what it is.

I mean, and there's a lot of other things that go into it, but like, that's basically the main component that separates us from our ancestors who

struggled to get to live past 35, correct?

Right?

Like, it's such a it's it's the ingredient.

So, to sit here and try to dismantle it all across the world when we still have multiple billions of people living in poverty is is not just wrong.

It's evil.

It is evil.

It really is evil.

It's Malthusian.

Listen to this.

This comes from the University of Leeds.

They've just published a study that they've given to all the governments that they say rationing policies similar to those imposed during World War I and World War II

will help our nation states reduce emissions rapidly and fairly.

They say rationing has been neglected as a viable policy option for mitigating climate change.

Rationing could help states reduce emissions rapidly and fairly.

Our arguments in this paper draw on economic analysis and historic research into the rationing in the UK during and after the two world wars, highlighting success stories.

What are they doing?

They're creating scarcity.

Because they know if they told you this out front, look, we're going to have to ration just for the planet.

We would all say, the hell we will.

Let's invent our way out of this.

But they don't want that to happen.

And so they'll create scarcity, which will mean you'll have to ration.

So whether it is planned rationing, like they're coming out in England and saying we need to do,

or they know you won't do that, so we'll just create scarcity, that's what's happening.

And it's all been been passed in the Inflation Reduction Act.

I hate it when I'm right.

I hate it.

There are things that I guess on, and there are things that I know.

And

I don't want to be right on any of these things.

But you can blame the people like Romney or whoever else,

any Republican that voted for the Inflation Reduction Act.

Yeah, I just wish Mitt Romney was coming up for a potential election that maybe he could be voted out in a primary by a better conservative candidate.

When is that coming up?

Is that coming up soon?

Is it 2024?

2024.

Okay, we should really do that then.

Yeah.

That's who did this.

That's who did this.

And they pass these giant bills.

Nobody knows.

And they break it all up.

Mark my words.

Mark my words.

The

USDA,

the farmer and food people

guarantee you

they're going to have a part.

Guarantee you the Defense Department has a part.

Guarantee you Department of Education has a part.

And it was all broken up in a bill that nobody reads.

And nobody could understand anyway because it's 3,000 pages and you get it the night before.

And that machine is in.

Yeah, and Romney didn't vote for the Inflation Reduction Act itself, but he did vote for several other quote-unquote bipartisan bills that contained elements that were closely related to what they proposed in Build Back Better.

They have this is what they do.

Yeah, they have the machine.

It hasn't been assembled and fully turned on yet, but parts of it are being turned on now.

And honestly, I really believe it's treasonous.

It's treason what they're doing.

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I know.

Okay.

So, biggest story of the week.

Okay.

Obviously, the war in Ukraine, one-year anniversary,

Biden going there, it's a huge story.

And then the destruction, self-destruction of Pete Buttigiege, his

national political career is over.

So we have one domestic major story and one foreign.

So hang on just a second.

Let's start with a Pete Buddhajudge.

You think that it is destroyed.

I think he is such the idiot and so incompetent that that's who those in power look to run.

I think the Democrats are looking at it going, well, he's qualified.

Bec, I will submit to you that there is not one person listening to us right now, all the millions of people

tuned into Beck,

not one

would cast a ballot for Pete Budajud or anything.

I hope you're right, but I can't count on you.

And have I been wrong?

No, I am.

Ever wrong.

I know.

He's done.

And I'll tell you why.

It's very simple.

Americans have suffered at the hands of the airlines for two years.

He's the Secretary of Transportation.

He's done bupkis nothing, doesn't care.

You can be, you know, your baggage can wind up in Bangladesh.

You could be sleeping in the airport for four days.

And the federal government, with oversight over the airlines, does nothing.

That's number one.

So people already

despise him.

Three weeks to go.

to a toxic train crash in and really only went because Trump made him look so bad.

Of course.

Well, I think the Biden people were going to order him to go anyway, but they sped it up.

But then the question becomes, what the deuce does he do all day?

What is he doing?

This isn't like doing a talk show for three hours every day.

Okay?

He sits there at his little desk.

I need some personal time.

You know what?

I mean, enough.

Enough.

I was back to Indiana, please.

I'm fascinated by the story about personal time because that became the story.

But the part of that interview with that Daily Caller person that was walking alongside of Buddha Judge at night.

And when he said, the last thing he said was, may I have a picture of you?

And he took a picture of the journalist.

And my question is, why?

What was it he wanted?

And I pointed that out.

And I think yesterday,

somebody in the press asked him, Why did you want that picture?

What are you doing with that picture?

And they wouldn't answer.

I believe it was just an attempt to be charming or to throw her off or whatever it may be.

I don't think there's any sinister motive.

I don't think the guy thinks fast enough for that.

I remember when

I was young and naive.

You remember when you were young and naive?

Okay, that was three days ago.

All right, all right.

All right, so now let's go to

Zelensky and the one-year anniversary today.

Right.

So, I mean, this is a situation that is being exploited by some in the media, which torques me off because this is very dangerous, extremely dangerous, particularly with China, you know, on the on the outskirts of this story.

So, I brought a guy this week who I think is the best expert of Russia-China in the country.

His name is Dr.

Graham Allison.

He's a Harvard guy.

He was the dean of the Kennedy School when I attended there.

I've known him for 30 years, and he still speaks to me, kind of like you.

You know, if you're still

right.

So, anyway, Allison comes on, and he is.

He's an intellectual guy, he's not, you know, a pie thrower.

And he's basically saying, Look,

it's a very dangerous place.

The world is a dangerous place.

And simplistic solutions for exploiting this horrible tragedy for our political gain is wrong.

And you have to be methodical and patient and play the chess game and hope that Putin just self-destructs, which is possible.

I mean, you got a thousand casualties a day going back to Russia, dead and wounded.

A thousand.

And now they're going to throw all of these untrained conscripts against hardened, motivated Ukraine fighters.

And you know that it's going to be 10 to 1 casualties against the Russians.

So, you know, you have to hold on here.

And now we got Xi going in April, it looks like, to Moscow.

I don't think China's going to help them out militarily because then sanctions will be slapped on China.

But this is the highest level.

And here's what really worries me.

Biden is not competent to handle this.

It's not that he did anything wrong, and I supported his trip to

Ukraine and Poland because that raises the morale in Europe.

That's what that was all about.

It wasn't about the United States.

It was we got favorable coverage, the United States, for one of the few times.

He goes in, and we need Europe to back Ukraine.

That's what that was all about.

Okay, but in the larger picture, I mean, Joe Biden, he has no capacity to understand the subtleties of this danger emanating from Russia and China.

Are you how concerned are you that this is leading us into or away from a proxy war and much closer into

a war with Russia and China and

the United States kind of at each other's throats.

Well, you know, I'm not worried that there's going to be a shoot war at this point.

Okay, I don't see the flashpoint that would lead to that.

And people say, what about the money?

Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous that we have to spend $150 billion,

you know, to send to Ukraine.

But it will be ten times more if Putin then would win that and then pick off Belarus and Moldova and you know because he's not gonna stop it's not like Putin's gonna go okay I got Ukraine now I'm happy and I'm not gonna cause any more trouble two days ago I talked about this nobody nobody seems to care about this for some reason he just annexed Moldova yeah but he didn't physically annex them because he he doesn't have the troops to occupy it correct but he did annex it He just said, look, I'm taking Moldova.

But Americans don't understand this because A,

it's far away.

B,

whatever the media reports, now the American people don't believe.

I mean, we're in a place in history where the major corporate media says stuff, and most Americans don't believe it.

They don't believe it.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

But wait a minute.

So with Moldova, though, the problem is, as I pointed out earlier today, the problem is 800,000 Moldovans have dual citizenship as NATO citizens.

So if something does go down there,

could that be used?

I hope so.

He doesn't have the logistical capacity.

If you look at the map.

No, I know.

It's landlocked.

I know.

Right.

So he can't.

The supply lines now from Russia into Ukraine are dubious, to say the least.

I mean, this guy, Putin, he's in military trouble.

And that's why I say to my audience and everyone else, hold on, okay?

This is not going to get better for him.

It's going to deteriorate.

And the only people that could save him would be the Chinese.

If the Chinese come in and say, yeah, we're going to give you all the ammunition and arms you want.

That would be a game breaker.

But I don't think they're going to do it because that would destroy the Chinese economy.

All right.

Let me ask you one more question, and that's on China.

We know that, you know, this Chinese balloon came across, Joe Biden said, we think it's a weather balloon.

We're not really sure what it is.

Yada, yada, yada.

We now know, we found out, I think either at the beginning of the week or in the end of last week, that the Pentagon had been tracking that since its launch in China.

Okay, so they knew all about it.

Now we find out yesterday that a U-2 spy plane took high-definition photos of the payload.

It was the size of three school buses.

It was navigating

controlled navigation powered by satellite, I mean sorry, a solar array.

It had cameras, satellite response antennas, and it navigated over all of our missile sites.

and then over Strategic Air Command.

What?

I mean,

Bill,

they lied and lied and lied.

What does that mean?

It means they don't know what they're doing.

And that was my point about the big picture with Putin.

You got a president who doesn't know what he's doing.

And then, you know, the balloon thing does go into the Secretary of Transportation.

Buddha Judge says, you know, his latest pronouncement was, can I get a ride in the balloon?

And that's not, you know, no, it's already destroyed.

We're dealing with incompetence in Washington, D.C.

at a frightening, frightening level.

I think it is run by imbeciles.

It is run by incompetence, but there is strategy somewhere.

That Inflation Reduction Act,

it's brilliantly written because it has pieces of stuff all through it that have not been put together yet.

So somebody is planning and plotting, and it's not good.

Yeah, I mean, if the Democrats win again in 24, you know, I'm looking at property in the Bahamas.

So it's, I can't imagine that would happen, by the way.

I just can't imagine that the American people would be foolish enough to cast a vote for any Democrat.

Lori Lightfoot's going to get booted on Tuesday.

All right.

Kim Gardner in St.

Louis, the DA, got fired yesterday.

Great.

That was great.

Thank you to the Attorney General there.

Right.

And you're seeing now this backlash coming fairly aggressively against these anti-American people who want to break our society apart so they can put it back together again in the vision of Bernie Sanders.

I mean, that's what this is all about.

And so Americans have got to kind of wise up, but the problem is they can't put on the television set and get any

information.

Yeah.

I mean, because the information is all skewed toward helping the Biden administration.

And it's also not just all

skewed, it's talking about the wrong things.

It's not, we are not talking about what does this war mean?

Should we be even in there?

You know, you remember the days, Bill, it weren't that long ago, that we would debate things like this on the floor of the House.

Nobody's debating it.

If you go to billorilly.com and you punch up Dr.

Graham Allison, you'll see the best, i think uh overall assessment of what's happening now i have a question for you do we have time for that or do you have uh we've got about uh 45 seconds to a minute okay do you think that uh all those revelations against our alma mater fox news is gonna you know have a long-term effect on an organization what is what are the revelations i don't know if i've heard them oh yes you have i mean the uh reporting on uh

on the election fraud

oh okay um

You know, I don't know.

I think all of that stuff's done anyway, Bill.

I think it's just nails in the coffin over and over and over again.

What if they lose a billion dollars in the lawsuit that begins in April in Delaware?

Yeah, I think that is going to have a real big effect.

But I think

they'll lose.

I don't know.

Do you?

I think they could.

They definitely could, no doubt.

And I think they may settle because, you know, the principals and adult corporation, they don't want to be going to Delaware sitting in there having to testify.

I know.

I know.

Let's talk about that next week.

Can we?

Okay.

Let's remind me of that.

Thanks so much, Bill.

Talk to you.

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We've been talking about Moldova here today with Bill O'Reilly in an hour number one.

I just got a note in from Dave.

He said, After serving in the region, Glenn, I appreciate you drawing attention to Moldova

and how it could become a flashpoint.

I don't think the weapons depot you mentioned has the production capacity for usable modern ammo, but no one really knows how unstable the site is because the Russians who control it will not let inspectors in.

Oh, good.

Okay, so that's great.

The worst part, this is just one of many things that could go wrong and spiral out of control.

And I don't think anyone on the left or the right thinks the leadership here can handle that.

Thanks for making people aware, Dave.

Thave, thank you for

that.

I am concerned

about the, I've told you for years: World War III is going to happen most likely because of an incident or a place or a person you've never heard of, point to Moldova on a map, America.

And I'm not saying that is the flashpoint.

It's just one of the many flashpoints that can push us that fast.

Pray for your country.

Repent!

I'm sorry for all we've done, Lord.

Help us, please.