Ep 174 | Is Our Military CAPABLE of Fighting WW III? Space Force Vet’s Grave Warning | Matthew Lohmeier | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Today's guest, after spending his entire life in the Air Force as a real-life maverick, today

he's here

no longer as a commander of a space base missile warning unit with Space Force.

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We're going to talk about nukes because that's what he did for a living.

We're going to talk about space.

We're going to talk about the military.

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Please welcome Matthew Lomeyer.

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Hi, Matthew.

Welcome.

Thanks, Glenn, for having me.

You bet.

Glad you're here.

I will tell you, this is the first podcast I think I've ever done where

everybody everybody was excited for the guest,

but oddly the women were more excited.

You're not excited?

No, I'm excited, but no care.

Not the same

enthusiasm as,

I mean, I don't look at you as the space hunk,

but I have a feeling a lot of women do.

You know, my wife bought me

for Christmas a license plate.

I don't know what you call those things, border, I guess.

They don't make them for the Space Force yet, and I'm a veteran of the Space Force, and so for Christmas, she got me a customized license plate border that said First Veteran Space Force.

And I was excited to put it up, so I set it on the back of my truck that I drive with the intention of screwing it in to the back of the truck, and I forgot about it.

Oh, my God.

And I dropped it somewhere between my house and my office, and it's been crushed by 100 cars by now.

So I still don't have that on the back.

But my wife,

she appreciates that I'm the Space Force uncle.

So

let's just start there for just a minute.

You've never been to space.

You don't have to be in space to be part of Space Force.

You were looking

at what in space.

What was your particular job?

My particular job was space-based missile warning, which ties in, incidentally, with some of what you've recently been talking about, our Cold War with China at the moment, and the previous Cold War that we had fought with the Soviet Union.

We established along northern latitudes all across North America and Western Europe a ground-based radar early warning system so that we could detect ICBMs that were coming over the poles from the Soviet Union during the last half a century.

And of course that grew into a space-based architecture that was also used in conjunction with the ground-based radars to do space-based missile warning.

So my career field in the Space Force and before that in Air Force Space Command is what it was called was space-based missile warning.

We do a number of other things in the Space Force, but that was my area of expertise.

And

the Space Force, you know, to many people, it's funny, I travel all around the country and try and speak in various conferences.

And Space Force comes up when I'm in Ubers and when I'm in airplanes, and I ask people, have you heard that there's a Space Force?

And the answer is almost always no.

Many people aren't aware there's a new branch of the military, or they've thought, well, it's just a Netflix documentary with Steve Carell, and they think it was ridiculous.

Right.

So how

worried are you about the hypersonic missiles and China and the possibility of nuclear war now?

So this is a great question, and it's not a question that most people ask.

As

a commander of Space Base Missile Warning Unit that used infrared technology in geosynchronous orbit, I know that language can be lost on your typical.

This means the satellite rotates with the Earth.

That's right.

It appears, from our vantage, to be stationary.

Correct.

And to give you an idea of how far out that is, I mean, if you had your typical globe sitting on the table and you put a yardstick perpendicular to that globe and put a speck of dust at the end of that yardstick, relatively speaking, that's where our geosynchronous satellites are.

Wow, that far away.

Yeah, they're 22,000, 23,000 miles out.

Wow.

Phenomenal distance.

And so we would use infrared capabilities to detect heat signatures on the Earth against a relatively cool background to look for rockets.

Right.

And

one of the biggest challenges that our senior defense leaders, admittedly, have had is trying to figure out how to detect and track hypersonic glide vehicles.

I've heard some of them say that is the threat that keeps them awake at night, if there was anything that kept them awake at night.

So we're talking big threats, the kind of thing.

And again, I'm not going to assume that your listener understands what that is.

So by definition, a hypersonic vehicle travels at speeds at least at Mach 5.

Potentially.

How fast?

It depends on

altitude, air temperature, and so forth.

So, when you think of a jet breaking the sound barrier, that's breaking Mach 1, and at sea level, geez, I don't even know what it is anywhere around 600 miles an hour.

And of course, that speed goes down depending on your altitude and air temperature and whatnot.

But so, we're talking multiples of the speed of sound, and both Russia and China have extremely advanced capabilities.

We pay close attention in the Space Force to the testing that China has been doing, in particular with their hypersonic glide vehicles and how far developed that capability is.

And the United States is focusing on developing that capability as well.

It's my sense that we're a little bit behind the power curve

if there was a Bell distribution.

And China and Russia in this capability are somewhat on the leading edge of that bell curve.

And I suspect that we're not yet on the leading edge of that bell curve.

And I just ask you,

why?

I mean,

as an American.

That's a great question.

Why?

Why?

We have this opportunity after

the end of the Cold War in the 90s and beyond, I think, to maybe

dominate the space domain.

We elected not to.

For whatever reason,

I don't know if it's just policy decisions, budgetary considerations, you know, the Star Wars program of Reagan's era.

There was

not just a

claim that we weren't yet technologically advanced enough to pursue the Star Wars initiative, whether or not that's completely true, but there was also very real global geopolitical concerns for that program.

We're establishing a defensive architecture.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

It could also very well be used as an offensive architecture.

And

that is your standard international relations security dilemma that is probably one of the best contributions of international relations theory in my opinion is the security dilemma right and and so uh that's probably one of the best reasons i think that we didn't pursue that now i think during the trump pence administration when they became very serious about um

what you could rightly term a space race between the united states and china and President Trump got excited about the idea of an independent branch of the military for space, I think that we were pursuing and perhaps still are in some ways some capabilities that we had long since abandoned since the Star Wars initiative.

And, you know, there are some capabilities, although most of what we're doing in the Space Force

has already been done by Air Force and the Department of the Air Force for a number of decades, there are other capabilities and platforms that we are

pursuing that I think the American people probably wouldn't hear about for a few years still.

But I've got good friends who have been placed in command of some of those units.

units.

Aaron Ross Powell, when you look at a hypersonic missile, I believe it doesn't have to go as high,

which makes it more difficult to track.

And

if I remember right, I thought it was 18 minutes, but I just read this week that it was 13, sorry, 30 minutes from Russia to the middle of America.

Is that the right number?

And what is the number for hypersonic

same distance?

The right numbers depend on a few factors.

Now,

it's probably helpful to just mention that the original nuclear weapons threat being delivered by an intercontinental ballistic missile.

The idea was that the missile would be on a certain trajectory, would leave the Earth's atmosphere, end up in space, and then it would fall ballistically into a known target.

We can predict with relative accuracy what that target looks like.

When you get into hypersonic

at some point after it burns out, it's falling.

It's on a ballistic trajectory.

Which makes detect so detecting the launch was relatively,

I won't say simple, but really it's become quite simple for us.

And beyond detecting it, then tracking it using both ground-based and space-based sensors.

and then targeting it to kill it or intercept it.

We have a missile defense architecture as well.

I wasn't a part part of that.

I was part of the missile warning architecture.

But when you get into things that are moving much, much faster than

the standard ICBM ballistic trajectory and potentially also maneuverable platforms, you can think that

there's a target in New York City because for all intents and purposes it looks like the weapon is headed for New York City.

But it changes course and it heads to Detroit instead or it heads down to DC.

And so even if we figure out the detection piece and even if we figure out the tracking piece and even if we're able to potentially get,

you know, shoot the bullet out of the sky with another bullet,

you have to ask where is it headed and how do we solve that problem?

That's why this is the kind of threat that keeps our senior military leaders, policymakers, decision makers up at night, if anything keeps them up anymore.

We've got plenty of other problems as well.

But the point is,

how long, your question was, how long does it take for this weapons delivery to happen?

Yeah, roughly 30 minutes for the old traditional ICBM is a good estimate.

However, it depends on where these things come from.

And with a hypersonic vehicle,

they can be launched from any number of platforms and potentially platforms or from places that aren't as far from our coasts as

your traditional ICBM.

I mean, remember Soviet Union 1962 placed a bunch of, I think they were medium-range ballistic missiles as close as Cuba.

Now you're talking minutes for nuclear weapons delivery to a major U.S.

city.

Hypersonics almost eliminate the need to even stage things that close just based on their speeds.

And you're right, they don't go up into space and fall on a ballistic trajectory.

They can kind of skip along in between space and the thickest part of the atmosphere and then dive in whenever they're programmed to or told to.

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It's been a crazy year.

We haven't thought of.

I haven't thought you have.

It was your job.

I haven't thought of...

nuclear annihilation and a nuclear war.

I thought about dirty bombs and things like that.

But nuclear war

has,

I mean, Reagan and Gorbachev both said it can never be won, it should never be fought.

But we are now looking at the first time

two superpowers, nuclear superpowers, are facing off not, I mean, still through a proxy today, but that facade is falling away quickly.

Russia knows we want to topple Putin and his regime.

It's becoming more and more apparent.

They think they could just collapse the United States

by having a war with us.

If one of us are in the position of we're losing and they will be dominant, we'll be gone, that's when nuclear war actually becomes

not reasonable, but

potentially

likely.

Yes.

That's right.

Yeah,

when an actor is backed into a corner and feels like it's left with few options,

there's an exponential increase in the likelihood of the use of extremely destructive weapons so that they can extract themselves from

the dangerous existential problem they find themselves in.

But people think of, well, we've been like this before, Afghanistan, and they were going after Vietnam.

It's not the same.

That's right.

This is the collapse of one or the other, where the other was just a bloody nose or a bruised eye.

When we got involved in the desert conflicts for the past couple of decades,

I think it's probably,

I don't want to say safe to say, but it's fairly accurate to say that the United States was the global hegemon and Russia and China hadn't re-emerged as competing

global powers.

And I think that's changed today.

It's entirely different, to your point.

We're at a critical juncture.

The position we're in relative to China

and Russia is completely different than the wars that we fought in the deserts for the past 20 years.

And we dumped a lot of treasure and blood into those conflicts there.

But we're talking about re-entering a period of proxy wars.

I think we're probably in a multipolar world between China, Russia, and the United States, States,

where not only are we getting increasingly involved in Ukraine, there's a rising China invading Taiwan threat, and we have the potential of getting more involved in a proxy war in Taiwan.

And the Philippines.

And then we're upping our presence elsewhere in the Indo-Pacific theater,

which has been a policy recommendation to both the previous and the current administration in order to preempt a Taiwan attack and invasion.

But there have also been really serious considerations about whether or not we should draw back out of the Pacific because all of our war gaming says that a war that we get involved in in China's backyard in the Taiwan Straits is not going to end well for the United States.

And we don't even necessarily have the fuel in our tankers or the number of tankers required to fuel the fighters and the bombers in that region.

to successfully execute a campaign and establish air superiority over the island of Taiwan.

And so policymakers have asked, and strategists have had to ask really hard questions about whether or not we should stay put.

And they've been asking that question for a number of years.

Of course, those conversations don't happen in front of the American people.

They happen behind closed doors in the Pentagon.

But there's a legitimate case to be made for the fact that we're going to have our, I won't say the word that's coming to my mind, rear-handed to us

if we choose to get involved in a conflict there.

I mean, the number of drones alone that China is able to send across the strait

is something that we would have an exceptionally difficult time pushing back before they soak up all of our missiles,

all of our sweet AIM-9Xs we're shooting down balloons with.

How do you wage a conflict after day three or day four when they've not even put up a manned aircraft yet?

and we're trying to establish some air superiority in the region.

It's a wicked problem.

And I think, frankly, policymakers and strategists are just hoping that the problem

remains a potential problem for long enough that we can figure out some way to successfully navigate those waters.

But if it happens soon,

which I think there's good potential for, and frankly, if I was Xi Jinping, I'd do it while Biden is in power.

Oh, yeah.

But

this is a disaster in the making, the bottom line.

And every time I start talking foreign policy or international relations, I can't help but then rein in my own thinking to think about the tremendous problems we face here at home.

I hear

Nikki Haley was here on your show.

And

I'm not interested in yet disparaging any candidates for the presidency.

But I have to say I disagree with the idea that we keep dumping our treasure into Ukraine.

I agree.

We've got so many problems here at home that unless they have our undivided attention, I mean, they're likely to undo our country before hypersonic weapons do in fact.

Oh,

the Soviet Union, I mean, sorry, Russia is doing what we did to the Soviet Union.

They know we are on the edge.

I mean, I've talked about this for 25 years.

There's going to come a point to where the enemies of America will go, oh, they are weak.

Just a few more pushes and they're out.

And we're there.

We are there.

We're weak in every way.

Yeah, we are.

And we've demonstrated that.

I mean, a lot of people like to point back to Afghanistan withdrawal from last year.

And the year before that Afghanistan withdrawal that was

tragic.

We were demonstrating to the American people and to the global community, to Putin and Xi Jinping, that we had misplaced priorities within this administration and within the Defense Department.

I mean,

we're going to probably talk about it because

we talk next to you.

No, no, no, we are.

I talk about our misplaced priorities, and it shouldn't surprise us when we misplace our priorities that we would end up making terrible decisions in how we execute a withdrawal, for example.

So

I've had this conversation with conservatives here over the last couple of weeks because I believe we are in a different position

than what Americans always think we're in when we're talking about the military.

We think of war and we think, oh, well, we're not really going to feel it.

You know, like the last 20 years

and that, you know, who's going to beat America?

It's a different time, a different military, which we'll get into,

different leadership, money,

prestige, all of it is completely different than it was even five years ago.

Right.

And

so people are saying, because I don't want to be, I don't like Putin.

I don't like the Russian government.

I don't like

the Ukrainian government.

It's dirty.

And our government is dirty.

I don't know, I can't point to the good guy here.

You know what I mean?

And I don't want to have my child go out and have to fight against or for any of those.

You know?

That's right.

And so I say that.

And then people are like, oh, we can't back out.

Otherwise, we look weak.

We couldn't look more weak than we look right now.

Right.

So if you were advising the president, what would you tell him to do with Ukraine and Russia and China?

Well, at first he wouldn't listen.

You don't care what I had to say.

It goes back to something I just said a minute ago.

We've got so many problems at home that need our

immediate focus,

that that's where we need to turn our attention.

I'm not advocating to become an isolationist state by any means, and our alliances are more important than ever, I think.

Now, do they trust in our strength anymore?

Probably not.

I think, frankly, as much as they work with the current Biden administration, they probably think he's a joke.

Now, depends on who you're talking about.

Every serious country on the planet is willing to go to war to protect their territorial integrity and their political sovereignty.

So whatever one says about about Putin, I talk about this all the time in public.

In fact, I get asked questions, are we doing enough in Ukraine?

And I think, okay, I think the question is misplaced, first off, but let's talk about just heads of state and whether you like Putin or not.

And frankly, most people don't and shouldn't.

Right.

Because he's a corrupt, bloodthirsty killer, right?

But the fact is, as a head of state, he's got a team of advisors around him that will help him understand threats to territorial integrity and political sovereignty.

And then he has real-time decisions to make based on an extremely dynamic

data set about how he's going to act in the best interests of his country.

I can say that I think that his decisions are actually a reflection of some decent thinking and strategy that include some really bad decisions and foreign policy decisions of the West over the past and the NATO alliance over the past couple of decades that people have warned about.

I cannot look at our own government at the moment and say that we have our own best interests

at the forefront of our intentions.

We are not interested in preserving our territorial integrity.

We actually seem intent on destroying it.

And at every turn, we're making policy decisions that threaten our political sovereignty.

And so I bring up those two points to say, well, I think Xi Jinping and Putin

are actually interested in making decisions they believe will help their country in the century, now, whether or not it will help Putin in the century triangle.

I think my assessment, and it's a novice one to be sure, is that these people have legitimate care and concern for the well-being and the future march of their country into the century ahead.

And I don't get that sense from the current government in the United States.

And I think that China and Russia get the same sense that I have about the current administration.

And I think that many Americans, and I don't care if they're pro-Trump rah-rah, rah Americans or not, there are many Americans who are concerned at the lack of interest that the current administration seems to have and the lack of interest the DOD seems to have at pursuing legitimate, well-prioritized

policy and strategy as it pertains to the problems that we're having in our own country.

And so that's the advice I'd give if I could give any advice at all.

It's let's focus on the problems, the alligators that are nearest the boat.

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Before we get to the book, one more question.

I'm

greatly concerned about the blowing up of the Nord Stream pipeline.

Probably five countries in in the world that could do it.

The one that makes the most sense is us.

We

don't see any of anybody who investigated it on our side even saying anything about anything.

You know, it's kind of like, yeah, well, that wasn't an accident and we're not going to talk about it anymore.

That, if that was done without Congress, if it was done by us, that's an act of war.

If it was done by us and went around

Congress, that's an act of treason as well.

Can you give me hope that you don't think that we did that?

No, well, no, I'm not interested in giving false hope.

But here's, here's, you know, I interviewed with you about a week ago on the radio.

for 15 minutes and we talked about this a little bit.

And I've tried to learn as much as I can about this thing since then.

And I've got to, you asked me about Cy Hirsch's report.

And while I said in that previous interview that I thought it was entirely plausible what he's stitched together, I can't help but wonder if he's been fed some information deliberately that was

sending him down the wrong trail.

I think the United States was directly involved.

I think it was responsible probably.

And this is, again,

an opinion.

I also think a Navy P-8 was responsible for the attack.

What's a P-8?

Look it up.

I think it's a 737 that's been outfitted with a bunch of bombs and missiles.

And I mean, go Google or YouTube a Navy P-8 and take a look at the capabilities that that aircraft carries.

And there's a really great video that maybe we can push out as a part of this that I came upon.

A friend of mine sent it to me and the guy traces the flight path of a United States Navy P-8

that had killed its squawk and went in and refueled in a particular region waiting, waiting, waiting for

the right timing to then go drop a payload.

And I don't know why it's not in the headlines yet, but I'll share it with you afterward because I think it's quite compelling.

So I imagine that story is going to emerge

in the weeks ahead.

So

if that happens, though, see, this is,

I am

like you.

I love America.

I think America is very flawed and has been for a long time.

But

when we, like Martin Luther King said, live up to your principles, when we try to live up to our mission statement of the things we found self-evident, and we actually honor our Constitution and the Bill of Rights, we do more good than bad.

But all of that

is being dishonored.

All of that is gone.

If they can do this without even Congress knowing and approving,

don't you have an

unplug it and plug it back in kind of scenario where the whole thing has just got to be

reset to factory settings?

Yeah, speaking of a great reset, I mean, that might be one that's kind of useful, but

how to properly manage that and how that will happen is the bad news.

I mean, mean, because that's not something that,

well, the last chapter of my book, I give what I consider

it's a warning that's based on history about where this path leads if we don't immediately change course, which, by the way, is called repentance.

And I believe it's possible for national repentance.

Thank you.

And

if we don't do that, we're headed down the path that leads to civil strife, more hatred and anger and violence.

You said the path we are on as a country leads to a fratricidal and genocidal warfare.

Right.

Explain that.

Yeah.

I'm glad I put it that way because

people have asked me questions about the potential for civil war.

And one of the ways you've heard people talk about it now is a cold civil war, which is apt.

And when I've used the term civil war to answer the question, people have pushed back and said, no, no, no, there's no north-south divide in this country.

We're not going going to have a war between Democrats and Republicans.

And when they think, quote-unquote, civil war, they're thinking about something that is cleanly

divided into halves.

And I don't think that's necessarily useful, right?

So I'm thinking more along the lines of something that looks far more tribal, where people flock to the nearest

community, whether it's religious, political, apolitical, a religious, and that they believe can provide them the best security temporarily before they move on to the next tribe that can provide them, could be familial.

Fratricidal, what I meant by that is brothers and fathers and sons and family have such a hatred, a visceral emotional response to one another based on political disagreements, for example, that they could kill one another.

We've seen this in countries all throughout the last century, in fact, and genocidal.

Sometimes it's called democide, but when governments get involved in killing their own people.

And you could see already in the past couple of years how if a city became violent, theoretically,

how the government could justify the use of force against our citizens in order to keep the peace.

I mean, that's one potential legitimate use of government also, but

based on the recent press

that they've been establishing, you've had plenty of Americans, tens of millions of them probably, frankly, that wouldn't trust that their federal government at all would have their best interests

at heart.

And so

that's what I meant by fratricidal and genocidal violence.

It's this idea that if you can sow hatred in the hearts of men using rhetoric or a narrative, anti-American narrative, we are loathsome, we are like vermin, we are a white supremacist country.

First off, what U.S.

citizen wants to sign up in an all-volunteer force to defend that?

And many are losing their incentive to do that.

But also,

over time, that breeds hatred and anger.

And then when you have an angry people

and a hungry possibility.

And potentially a hungry people.

And when your children are hungry

and you don't trust the institutions and the bureaucrats around you to provide for you like they always have, or they're not coming to provide for you anymore, people do terrible things.

And I'm not trying to be fantastic.

I'm not trying to be hyperbolic.

In fact, there's a great book that we read at a defense strategy school.

It's by Stathis Kalivas.

It's a terribly boring book.

It's called The Logic of Violence in Civil War.

And he surveyed countries around the globe that got wrapped up in what were largely, in fact, although he doesn't emphasize this point, Marxist revolutions in the past half a century.

And people describe their experience who survived it in the lead-up to the civil War

by saying things like, I knew things were getting bad in my country, but I didn't know it was getting that bad.

And then we woke up one morning and the whole country was embroiled in violent conflict.

And it didn't end for seven years or it didn't end for seven months or whatever the case might be.

And they said it was like a madness swept across the land.

And you think about that from a spiritual, psychological, emotional perspective.

When people become so emotional as ideology can make you, or false narratives of the country you live in,

and you're filled with enough emotion and hatred that you can really feel it.

It's guttural.

Then you become irrational and you become animalistic and you become tribalistic and you're interested in survival and other things.

And so that's where I think, as impossible as it might even seem to some today,

It surely was more impossible seeming to people two and three years ago, although we've made a lot of progress towards that very thing thing in the past couple of years, unfortunately.

And without that kind of national repentance,

I think that's precisely where things are headed.

And if, again, if I was Xi Jinping,

I would be well aware of this taking place in our country.

And not only would I not be interested in a viola...

I got pushback from some people after my last interview

with you who said that they were military people and who I respect.

I respect their view.

Retired general officers emailed me and said they think that China is actually very interested in a kinetic conflict with the United States.

And I thought carefully about what they said.

I still disagree.

While there might be the occasional exchange of conventional or kinetic weapons in a proxy war somewhere like Taiwan in an effort to degradate United States forces, I think that Xi Jinping knows that in the long run and in the long game, his strategy needs to be to help facilitate the decline of American society, American culture.

And there's no better way to do that than with narratives about how terrible a country we are.

I mean, that's why what Putin said this week about America

is true.

Is true.

But it is also part of the strategy from Russia.

to point those things out, to continually stir it.

So you look at him and go, he's a killer, and he'll stand up for us more than our guys will.

Right.

Well, there's no better weapon he has at his disposal than to speak the truth about some terrible things that the United States is doing, saying to their own people.

Another example that you may not be aware of is that several months ago, the United States Air Force Academy

gave some diversity and inclusion training slides to their cadets.

And on one of the slides, they taught their cadets that it was probably insensitive and maybe even inappropriate to use terms like mother and father anymore at the Air Force Academy.

And so they should use parent one, parent two, guardian one, guardian two.

And a cadet that was really dissatisfied with those training slides leaked those, and we shared them with Fox News.

And then there were a bunch of headlines that were generated about this to draw attention to the issue, which caused the Air Force Academy senior leadership to backtrack and try and defend.

Hey, look, we weren't saying you can't use mom and dad anymore.

We're just saying try not to be insensitive monsters here.

Well, Putin, within, I think it was within a week,

gave a speech in Russia that seemed to me, I don't have the text on me here, I'd read it,

to indicate that he was well aware of the trainings that had been given at the U.S.

Air Force Academy.

He said, do we want here in our country where we care about the nuclear family, parent number one and parent number two and parent number three?

He says, we don't need any of the satanic evil.

And all of the Russians who want to support Putin cheered, and all the Western world looked at him and said, Well, yeah, he's right.

And we're pushing this stuff on our people.

And Putin said, They're pushing it on the rest of us, and it's got to stop.

We'll talk about a great weapon in his arsenal.

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So let's talk about

your book because you

go into

Marxism and,

I mean, you've nailed it down.

But tell me, because people know that this stuff is happening and it's happening in our schools, et cetera, et cetera.

Tell me why this, why somebody who is worried about putting food on their table should care about Marxism in our military.

Great question.

What I meant by Marxism, and I just want to clarify because people

who may be skeptical want to distance themselves from the use of that word as it pertains to some of our race-based trainings that come in the form of diversity and inclusion trainings in the uniformed services.

I tease out the idea that's laid out in part one of the Communist Manifesto about the oppressor versus the oppressed class, and in Marx and Engels' Communist Manifesto from 1848, that was an economic class stratification kind of thing that had to do with the bourgeoisie and the proletariat.

We've usurped that.

I mean, the critical theorists have in academia over the past century, as you're aware, and it became critical theory and critical legal theory and now critical race theory.

It's still the same oppressor versus oppressed

group structure, but it's blacks versus whites, essentially.

I mean, I'm simplifying things.

That is what I meant by a Marxist-rooted critical race theory.

There's a clear lineage of ideas that you can trace from

Marxist ideologies' roots to the present day and all of our current critical social justice activism that you see in the country.

Why it should concern the person at home?

The short answer is

Because the United States military has long been a bastion of patriotism and conservatism in this country.

And

the strength of the United States military is predicated upon its unity.

And critical race theory destroys and divides everything it touches into camps, into tribes, as we were talking about.

And so the last thing that the American man or woman wants at the dinner table, whether they're aware of it or not, is for their nearby base of soldiers or airmen or guardians to be constantly brainwashed into thinking that our diversity is our strength

and that there are real race differences here we ought to be talking about each week so that we can help be more sensitive to one another and more inclusive to one another.

And oh, by the way, as the Air Force recently announced, we're going to get away from the number of white fighter pilots that we've got.

We need to go from 80%

white pilots, white male pilots in our force, to 67.5%.

That was the numbers that were given by whatever his position is there in the Pentagon, a two-star, maybe three-star in the Air Force who's responsible for public affairs.

I just want the best fighter pilots.

I just want the best doctor Pilots.

All Asian,

all Jewish, all black.

I don't care.

It doesn't matter.

Give me the best ones.

Well, that's the greatness of the American ideal.

I mean, merit.

matters in the United States military.

Unity matters in the United States military.

If you inject race-based identity politics, you divide, and then you start establishing quotas, and you lose merit, and then you lose lethality, and you lose readiness.

So that's why the American people need to be very concerned about this.

Is this something we, I mean, because

I remember in 2007, I think, I started kind of figuring this out.

2005 is when I thought,

wait a minute,

I don't think the Cold War really ended.

They just took their uniform off and put suits on.

You know what I mean?

It's the same kind of stuff.

Now it's just corrupt, but it's the same guys.

Same guys, same ideology, roughly speaking.

And even though it formally came to an end, one of the things that characterizes the difference between today and, say, 1991

is the degree to which foreign actors who share that ideology are able to infiltrate the United States and our institutions.

And we've got more apologists for this stuff or believers, true believers.

True believers in this with embedded within the bureaucracies, unelected officials and elected officials both.

We've got them in uniform and we pride ourselves in sending our senior military leaders to some of the best

institutions of higher learning that exist in this country and elsewhere because it's great when they come out credentialed and now they know what they're talking about because they're experts.

They also come out more and more left in their political bent and more and more supple and pliable in the hands of a totalitarian, spirited government policy machine, which is what the current,

just last week, Joe Biden signed a new executive order the American people probably haven't heard about yet.

It's furthering

what's it called?

It's more on race equity.

Furthering or further advancing race equity, I think was the name.

Fair.

No.

Yeah, F-A-R-E, I think.

And I don't know if they're calling it FAIR, but further advancing racial equity.

I probably got one of the words in there wrong, but I don't have the racial equity part wrong.

And if his January 20th, 2021 executive order advancing

racial equity hasn't done enough damage to the federal agencies and the uniformed services, he's ramping it up yet further still as of last week.

And yet there are in fact Democrats in Congress who say that the fact that CRT is being taught at our military service academies is just a talking point of some rabid alt-right Republicans.

That's totally bogus.

In fact, it's been established by policy that they need to be teaching it.

And the military is happy to comply.

And these people have been educated.

And now they're so educated they're going to help educate the rest of

the military.

So when you look at this,

I've always trusted our military.

I've always thought

those people, generally speaking, will follow

the law, the Constitution,

and they wouldn't turn guns on

American people.

I mean, unless the people were just out of control.

They just wouldn't do it.

However, we are teaching them now that, you know, peaceful people are monstrous terrorists and everything else.

And I don't know how long it takes to metastasize in something like the Pentagon and the war machine.

Can this be reversed?

How deep does this go?

You made a really important point that I want to draw back out.

It is unthinkable that the United States military military would turn their weapons on the American people.

But

governments turn their weapons on monsters.

Governments turn their weapons on terrorists.

Governments turn their weapons on threats to democracy.

Governments turn their weapons on...

you pick your word.

And what you've seen over the past few years is that

We have an ongoing escalation of rhetoric about how dangerous the white supremacist alt-right Republican is, the Trump-supporting MAGA Republican.

They're so afraid that the January 6 footage has been handed over to Tucker Carlson, for example, because that's too sensitive and it'll do terrible damage.

The fact is, you have to build sufficient narrative to dehumanize citizens in any country if you want the government,

if you want the actors who are just normal citizens in one sense, to justify in their own minds and

organizationally the use of force against their own people.

And you do that only if you've been sufficiently educated into that kind of monstrous behavior.

But there's a growing belief that we've got factions within our society that are just animals and monsters who want to tear down the government.

And maybe there are plenty of those too, and make no mistake about it.

Plenty of people want to tear down the government.

So it isn't possible that American citizens who are in uniform are going to turn their weapons on American citizens, but they might on terrorists and they might on monsters.

I know you're supporting them.

You know where I'm going.

So they're buildings.

All the rhetoric that we see should be very troubling to us.

Hitler did.

I know you have read that ordinary men.

That's right.

Yeah.

That's exactly how it happened in Nazi Germany.

Exactly right.

Exactly right.

So people are puking their guts out because of the terrible things they did to a pregnant woman the day before or the family that they had to brutalize in the course of their job.

And Americans are no different than Chinese, no different than Russians, no different than Nazi Germans.

They're just not humans or humans.

Human nature is something that is universal.

Cultural differences aside,

what Marxist ideology does to the Chinese, it will do to the American.

Correct.

So I don't think you answered.

Can we turn that around?

Maybe I did answer.

It's a hard question.

There seems to be so much piling up that is out of our favor.

And so you mentioned the man or the woman sitting at the dinner table, and they ask the same question, what is it that I can do?

And my answer is, you know, each of us has a unique sphere of influence we operate in.

And the man at the dinner table, his sphere of influence might be exceptionally small, and it might be the walls of his own home and the community he works in Monday through Friday.

And I think it's the best advice I could give

in this regard is that we can try to be the best humans that we know how to be, helping educate in a peaceful manner those around us within whatever sphere of influence that we currently occupy and effecting some kind of repentance in that sphere of influence.

There are others that have a much larger stage, like you, and others that run for office or who find themselves in office office who should be saying the same thing.

We need to change course is the bottom line.

And Solshenitsyn said famously, I think he was trying, he was wrestling with, as he wrote his

Gulag Archipelago series,

he had a mountain of

evidence, stories,

testimonials,

if you will, about

why

the things had gone the way that they did in the Soviet Union.

And he concluded after all of that, and this is right to your question,

he said, I can't summarize any better than to say that men have forgotten God, how we ended up here.

And that sounds, to someone who wants the more meaty, fleshed out, secular, irrational, it's like that is the thing.

Because when...

When we abandon God, and I don't care what religion people are, but when we abandon God,

that belief system turns into a vacuum and

ideology fills all the gaps, and people are filled with a meaning in a new way, and it's hatred for the other.

And they set about trying to create order in the world by fixing the other.

And that leads to terrible things.

And all in the aims of establishing the utopian state.

And, you know, I don't like saying history proves, dot, dot, dot.

But

history has demonstrated in the past century

exactly, I mean, you can almost prognosticate where this is headed.

You could prophesy where this is headed looking in the years ahead because we're no different than anyone else that's walked this path of hatred.

I've said this for 20 years.

We think we're so superior.

We think we're so whatever.

With our technology, if we continue to walk down this road and we are capable of holding our country together at some point, you know, of some way with our technology,

we will make the Germans look like rookies.

I mean, it will happen.

It's human nature.

And if you read

what was happening in the 20s and 30s and you really understand the psyche, of somebody who had fought in World War I,

and then you look 10 years down the road and where they are, we're repeating almost all of the same things.

Right.

You know, on the Navy reading list last year was Ibram Kendi's How to Be an Anti-Racist, and I start working through this book, and I thought, you know, I've got Mein Kampf sitting on my shelf right, and I wanted to pick it up and start to compare the spirit of the text, and it was uncanny.

The fact that our military has advocated for reading texts that are filled with that kind of hatred and evil

tells you the point to which we've gotten in this country.

But it's not very different than Hitler's worldview.

And

he usurped some ⁇ he read Marx.

I think he detested Marx and communism.

And we place them on opposite ends of a political spectrum, whether or not that's appropriate.

But he essentially usurped

some of Marxist ideology and inserted race and then justified the extermination of people based on their race.

And we're marching that path right now.

And so we've got so much of the 20th century wrapped up in what's happening here, but people don't know 20th century history.

One of the things that Einstein also said, and you mentioned how devastating this could be, I think he, and this was before they developed like hydrogen

bombs.

And at the very outset, when we had started to develop the atomic weapon, he said, I don't know what weapons,

he said,

I don't know what weapons we will use to fight World War III,

but we'll use sticks and stones in World War IV or something to that effect.

And

that's about right.

That tells you the gravity of the situation that we face.

I mean, people can kill each other with ice picks, but when nuclear bombs start going off,

it sets back civilization for an unknown period of time to the point where you don't have your electricity and your technology and the signal from your GPS satellite anymore, and you don't grow your food the way that you did before.

And so whoever makes it through that filter has a lot of work to do.

Yeah,

I was going to say, it doesn't take a nuclear bomb now.

No, that's not.

It takes anybody who's not today living in a cave.

You know, somebody who's not, you know, way off the grid in some place where the whole community is set up that way.

That's not the civilized world.

And you hit the power grids, you take that down.

It could be months, if not a couple of years, before you could really rebuild a power grid if you hit it right.

Yeah, who's going to rebuild it?

I mean, the people currently sitting in their caves don't know anything about the electricity, right?

I mean, it's

not good.

You

just brought up

Stoles-Nietzsche, and I know one of the answers in your book is

live Not by Lies.

I am such a fan of what he wrote in that.

When I read that

recently in the last two years or so,

it took on a whole new meaning.

And it is like it was written today

for us.

Charlie Sheen is an icon of decadence.

I lit the fuse and my life turns into everything it wasn't supposed to be.

He's going the distance.

He was the highest paid TV star of all time.

When it started to change, it was quick.

He kept saying, no, no, no, I'm in the hospital now, but next week I'll be ready for the show.

No.

Charlie's sober.

He's going to tell you the truth.

How do I present this with any class?

I think we're past that, Charlie.

We're past that, yeah.

Somebody call action.

AKA Charlie Sheen, only on Netflix, September 10th.

One of the things I like about...

So there's some good news in all of this.

When you talk about this kind of stuff, it's so easy to get bogged down in how negative and dark it all is because it is negative and dark.

If you're not sure where to find a glimmer of hope, look at the great opportunity that we've got before us to try our best to not live by lies and to become a person, a human of honesty first and integrity ultimately, who can learn true principles and live those principles and values despite all hell breaking loose around us.

Whatever your community, whatever your sphere of influence, try and live up to that first.

Try and live as a person of honor in a darkened world.

And that is so much.

See what the consequences are.

In a world where no one trusts anybody, you know, if you can be the one person that in your circle of influence, everybody goes, he's not like that.

He's honorable.

If he gets it wrong, he admits it.

He works to tell the truth hard and to keep honor.

If you're that person,

the number of people you can affect in dark times is profound.

That's the hope.

And the light shines in darkness and the darkness comprehends it not oftentimes.

And so

that's our obligation.

That's an opportunity.

It is a glimmer of hope.

And you know, here's another thing, too.

I was, in fact,

This will seem like a tangent, but it's not.

I spoke here in Dallas in December at a Christmas luncheon, and they said, you normally talk about negative things.

We want you to come and bring a message of hope.

And I thought, well, then surely you don't want me to talk about politics.

And so I gave a Christmas message and talked about Christ.

And what I tried to do is talk about the time in which he came from a social-political perspective.

The Jewish people, and I unfortunately offended someone, and that wasn't my intent.

And so I won't cover everything I covered.

And I tried to be careful.

But it's clear that the Jewish people were

a quasi-nationhood living within the greater Roman Empire at the time of Christ's birth.

And there was an expectation and a hope that because they were God's covenant people, he would come and fix everything politically for them.

And in fact,

God was crucified.

Their temple is raised and thrown down.

And once again in history, they go off into captivity.

That was God's covenant people.

And then,

in my view, they were in an apostate condition at that that time.

But here's the parallel that I made with the present time.

I hear it all the time around the country.

Well, because we're his people, and this is Christians speaking, because we're his people, he will bring us through this.

And I think that's not how this works.

And so I unfortunately ruffle a lot of feathers when I share my view.

that that's not how this works.

And history does bear that out, in fact, and God has had covenant people throughout history.

But guess what?

That doesn't mean he's going to come as your political savior this week or next.

In fact, he's far more interested in the individual soul

and in that long game than he is in protecting a wicked, corrupt, and degenerate government.

Our founders understood that.

Or people.

Or people.

This is what's so scary: our government is not the people.

However,

the people

have

gone dark, darker than I've ever seen in my life.

And God is not important.

The dollar is, our lifestyle is, and I hear this from Christians all the time that,

you know, well, the rapture.

Well, I hope you're right because I don't want to be around for it.

But just in case you're not right,

we need to engage and be

preparing for all things.

They also seem to, it's amazing.

We're such self-hating egomaniacs.

We expect God to do all these things

and yet we don't have any faith that miracles can happen.

But miracles will only happen for a good and generous and decent people.

You know, the rest of us, you know, we'll,

this land is so sacred.

I just don't think he'll have

a Babylon

and people of Babylon on this land.

No, we'll start from scratch.

Jefferson, all of our founders were aware that we had no such false hope, no promise

from Providence, as the word that they so often used, that we would be preserved despite our ignorance and our immorality.

Jefferson made it clear that ignorance and liberty were incompatible.

John Adams said that our Constitution

doesn't have the power to govern an immoral people, a godless people.

It's wholly inadequate.

In fact, he says something like,

I mean, the force with which we could bring down the Constitutional Republic would be like a whale going through a thin net.

An immoral people

can't be governed properly by

the constitutional construct that we have.

No, that is our construct, and so it's incumbent upon us to repent and return to something.

And at the end of my book, in fact, that was an important sense I had in writing the book.

And again, and I'll reiterate this, it didn't matter to me what someone's religious worldview or non-religious worldview was, but there's a national repentance in order.

If they're Christian, then they can repent and face the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Jewish, the same.

If they're

Buddhist or Hindu and they're an American, then they don't need to repent and face Jesus per se to save a nation.

The idea is that you repent and face an ideal that was at the founding.

You have a shared, you have a community with shared knowledge and beliefs in an ideal, and then they live that ideal together and they establish justice.

And we've lost justice.

And someone I, I don't agree with everything he said, but Mortimer Adler, now long deceased Mortimer Adler,

had said

there's a list of reasons for the Constitution that are written into the preamble, and justice, the establishment of justice, is one of the first of those.

He says, but if you lose justice, then none of the other aims of the Constitution are possible.

And I like that sentiment.

And as you look around and you look at headlines and you watch what's going on in the world, you can be sure that we're losing justice.

That's for certain.

You lose justice, which we have, or really close to entirely losing justice, redefining justice.

You cannot apply the Bill of Rights in Right.

That's right.

Because you're looking for a different kind of justice and a justice that man can't ever

solve.

That's right.

I'm not a

UFO freak.

I am, however,

skeptical, as Carl Sagan said at best.

What a tremendous waste of space if we're the only ones.

I just don't find it reasonable to think that we're the only thing in the vastness of space.

So won't surprise me if there's aliens.

And I've always kind of just rolled my eyes a bit, you know, with frying saucers and everything else.

But we have come across, according to the Pentagon, if I'm reading it right, technology that is way beyond man's understanding at this point.

And the experts I've talked to, they have said the way some of these things are moving and the things they're doing,

if China, per se, had that technology, it would have seeped into so much more

of their society.

It wouldn't just be applied in that.

So

what are these things?

Do we...

Great question.

I don't know.

What strikes me as curious is um now, like you, I'm skeptical because I've seen a lot in government.

Yeah, I've suspected that most of what people have been seeing is something related to governments and its futuristic technologies, right?

You know, Cold War 6 and DARPA, and all this videos you see, it's like

they're doing stuff that's wicked cool, and you're not going to hear about it for 20 years, right?

My uncle was in

engineering, uh,

airplane engineering and top secret clearance.

And I'll never forget when the stealth plane came out.

He's like,

Yeah, that's old news.

Yep.

You know,

so you're, I, I agree with that,

but I hear this is so far beyond.

Is that true or not?

Uh, it is.

Um,

what's striking to me about it is that

I watched a documentary.

I didn't have interest in this, um, and but I watched a documentary with my wife called Phenomenon.

It was done in 2020.

I think it's on Amazon Prime or Netflix or somewhere.

And I didn't know just how far back in history these sightings go.

And even when you're looking at recent history, we're talking 1940s, 50s, 60s, 70s, well before the advent of the kinds of capabilities or technologies that I would think could potentially

see, we're now living in an age when I could think, well, government's responsible for what you're seeing and we just don't know about it yet.

But I wouldn't have thought, I can't think that as I look back at the 1950s.

And so, and the eyewitnesses to some of these things, there's plenty of kooks and quacks out there, I get it.

But some of the eyewitness testimony is startling.

And there was this one point in the video,

probably halfway through, where these air traffic controllers are describing something, some orb, glowing ball of light or something that they saw zipping all over the flight line.

And I paused it and I said to my wife, I've seen that.

And I'd forgotten.

This will sound crazy to the listener that I would forget something like this.

But I was in high school in Tucson, Arizona.

I was in the foothills, in the mountains,

on the north end of town.

And

maybe the reason I forgot it is because I don't talk about it.

I was with a girl and I don't want to talk about stories like that.

I'm married now.

But I was with, and we saw this orb is a better way.

I don't want to say ball of light because instantly I guarantee you people are thinking, well, it's ball lightning that you saw.

And it's a rare thing.

Which I've seen and that's crazy.

And it's crazy and it's cool.

This is very different.

And so I told my wife, that's exactly what I saw.

It didn't go away.

It hovered.

It seemed alive, but almost static.

And it was completely motionless and soundless.

It was inaudible.

And as soon as she and I took notice of this object, it zipped right down to over our heads and it startled the hell out of us.

And if I couldn't tell how close it was,

but I probably could have hit it with a rock if you could hit such a thing with a rock.

And it stayed there and we picked up our chairs and we booked it to the car and we left and the thing, right then the thing was zipping off and leaving.

It was probably no bigger than the table we're sitting at.

I couldn't see through it, but it looked like I could have reached my arm into it.

And there was no, it wasn't being flown by somebody, and it wasn't something that we make,

that we, humans manufacture.

And so it appeared to be a natural phenomenon, but extremely well organized and almost aware of us.

And as odd as that sounds, I had that experience in high school and chalked it up to some natural phenomenon I couldn't explain.

And I forgot about it until I'm watching this phenomenon, this 2020 documentary.

And so my wife says, you've never mentioned this to me.

I can't possibly be real.

You're misremembering.

I mean, mean, she trusts me.

She knows I'm a trustworthy guy, but she questioned me.

She teased me a little bit.

And so I said, come with me to Facebook.

I'm going to send a message to this girl that I haven't seen for two decades.

And

I sent her a message.

I said, I want to implant the idea.

And I said, hey, hey, Katie, how's it going?

Do you remember that thing we saw in the mountains?

And she wrote back instantly.

She was on the little green dot was next to her name.

And my wife and I were just anticipating a response.

She says, you mean that freaking UFO that zipped down out of the sky and hovered right over our heads?

And so my wife was convinced I wasn't exaggerating the story and that I'd actually seen this thing.

I don't know what it was to this day.

It could have been entirely natural.

It could have been intelligent.

And that said, there's something intelligent and conscious about light and truth anyway.

And so I can't quite explain that.

But yeah, there is intelligent life in the cosmos.

I don't think

they're so stupid that they'd bring their craft into

the United States or anywhere in the globe and be shot down by missiles

or accidentally run out of fuel and crash into a field somewhere.

And do they look like green men?

I don't know.

Probably not.

I'm guessing if there's intelligence out there.

Hey, man was created in the image of God.

How about we start with that?

And so I presume that there's intelligent life out there.

And hey, we know there's angels out there.

So where are they?

And what form do they take?

But

why would the Pentagon?

What's changed in the Pentagon?

I think

a couple of things have changed.

I think the frequency has ramped up.

I think the fact that it's getting so much attention on social media and the media,

they're having to

spend more time talking about it.

I've had somebody tell me that it's now trackable by two different two or three different points that they can get a ship, an airplane, and maybe land base

to

lock on to it and go, yeah,

I see it three separate sources.

Yeah, does the United States government really not know what some of these things are that we keep, you know, it remains a mystery to the public.

I have a hard time believing that they don't know what most of these things are.

That's my sense.

Despite what I've seen, despite what others claim they've seen,

that's probably as good as I can do on the UFO subject.

One last thing.

Bigger chance of seeing an alien in your lifetime or the return of Christ.

Hands down, the return of Christ.

I think so.

I mean, I keep checking my watch.

You might be here now.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

I'm a conspiracy analyst, I could say.

And we've been given every reason to believe in conspiracies in the modern age in the last couple of years, and there's big conspiracies afoot.

Now, that said, people know me as very well-grounded.

They know that I'm not interested in dabbling in something that I find inauthentic, untrue, ungrounded, unscientific.

And so I'm very serious about that.

And I'm 100% believer that in our lifetime we'll see the return of Christ.

Me too.

I'd love to have you back.

You're fascinated.

I'd love to come back.

You're fascinating.

Maybe we'll talk flat earth and space.

I really want to talk to you about, I want to talk to you more about space, but this is really fantastic.

I think you have nailed it and you have given in the book, you have given

as somebody who has

prayed,

Lord,

what do I tell people to do?

I think you have come up with solid solutions

and things that people can do.

And you've hit the most important.

It's God.

If we don't

humble ourselves and repent,

it's he can't help help us.

He just can't help us.

That's right.

Well, thanks for having me.

Thank you.

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