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So

President Trump was awesome yesterday.

Just awesome.

He

went to, I'm trying to see if we have any, yeah, he went to East Palestine yesterday, cut seven, and said this: To the people of East Palestine and to the nearby communities in Ohio and Pennsylvania, we have told you loud and clear: you are not forgotten.

You are not forgotten.

We stand with you, we pray for you, and we will stay with you in your fight to help answer and the accountability that you deserve.

We'll have that accountability.

It'll all be out there very clearly.

I don't think you could have a stronger contrast

between the former president and this current president.

While he's out gallivanting around the world, giving our money to pension funds in Ukraine, this president is delivering food as a private citizen.

Yeah, and not only did Trump beat Biden to Ohio, he beat Budajech to Ohio, the guy he was supposed to be.

Oh, but he is riding his bike.

Well, he's not riding his bike.

He's taking a plane, and then he's putting the bike in the back of

a SUV.

And then when he gets about a block away from the cameras, he's going to ride his bike into town.

Yeah, and he'll be wearing a fancy helmet when he's doing that because he's safe and he looks really good.

Yo, you always look so good.

You know what I mean?

So anyway,

Trump went on the trail yesterday.

And I think this was a huge score for President Trump.

Now, speaking of former presidents,

there's another story out.

A former president Clinton aid,

who has ties to Epstein,

died by suicide.

Okay, now this story is a year old.

This happened May 7th, 2022.

But the family kind of wanted to keep all the details quiet.

They were afraid of the images being released.

And I don't need to see anybody who has killed themselves.

I don't need to see their images.

However,

his name is Mark Middleton.

He's 59 years old, and he was discovered deceased at the Heifer Ranch in Perryville, Arkansas, 30 miles from his home in Little Rock.

He was sitting next to a tree with an extension cord wrapped around his neck.

The other end of the cord was attached to a tree limb above him, but again, he's sitting next to the tree, so he didn't hang himself.

Now,

uh

how he died

was um

a gunshot wound to the chest

and it was a shotgun now if you have a shotgun i suppose you could reach but

it's a lot easier if you would put it in you know to your head because you'd have a little easier time getting to the trigger i think maybe I don't know.

I've never tried this.

So, you know, it's difficult to do, but it's possible.

Although, the weird thing is, there was no shotgun at the scene.

So,

anyway,

you know, I just want to throw that in.

It might have been an alien in a balloon.

Now, by the way, this guy is the guy who let Jeffrey Epstein into the White House over and over and over again

while he was while President Clinton was in the White House.

Oh, and he took a couple of trips to the island with Jeffrey Epstein and President Clinton.

But again, suicide

by hanging or

some sort of magic shotgun

that

wasn't at the scene of the crime.

Okay,

let's see.

What else is news today?

Oh, a vinyl chloride update for you.

Yesterday, we read the story to you.

CDC updates profile for vinyl chloride days before Ohio train derailment and removes section on how it affects children.

So yesterday I told you

that

we had reached out to the CDC for, you know, I'd I'd like to debunk this story.

I don't, I mean,

I just don't understand.

It's really easy right now to say everything the government says is a lie.

Very easy.

And many times that is true, but it doesn't always make it true.

And we should always try to find

an answer over a theory.

So we

wrote to the CDC and we said we wanted to get ahead of any conspiracy theories and go straight to the source and ask the CDC, is this merely a coincidence of timing?

Number two,

why were the updates made?

Number three,

why was the section on how that vinyl chloride impacts children was removed?

What is the CDC's response to the safety of the Ohioans' post-toxic chemical release on February 3rd?

Thank you.

Well, they wrote back.

Shocking.

CDC wrote back and said, thank you for reaching out on this topic.

By congressional mandate, the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry produces and updates toxological profiles for chemical substances found on its substance priority list.

Also, national priorities list.

You can find those at the national priorities list site.

The Comprehensive Environmental Response Compensation and Liability Act of 1980 is amended, blah, blah, blah.

Further requires that toxological profiles be updated periodically.

They evaluate profiles annually to determine whether updating is necessary depending on the complexity of the chemical.

The process for developing a tox profile can take up to a year or more.

This includes multiple reviews, such as external independent peer review, followed by a release for a 90-day public comment period, incorporating any necessary changes at vinyl publishing.

They developed the initial vinyl chloride TOX profile in 1989.

They produced updates in 93, 97, 2006, and 2023 based on the latest information.

They have been working on an update for the vinyl chloride tox profile over the past year.

It had been made available for public comment on February 9th.

Remember, the train derailment was the third.

made available for public comment on February 9th as part of the usual process not related at all to the situation in East Palestine.

A draft

talks profile available for public comment is there.

And until May 20th, 2023, it updates the 2006 version.

And it doesn't answer any of our other questions.

So

I really wanted to know why did you remove the part about the children and the impact on children and mothers, but they decided not to answer that.

But there's there's your answer on why they updated it.

And so because I thought you said it happened right before the trip.

It did, but

they posted the

public comment period after.

After.

Yeah, I mean, it's very, look, I think all that does is explain that it theoretically could be a coincidence, right?

Like they do it every once in a while.

It was just very, very

difficult.

But also it could be.

And I don't even know what the straight line is there when it comes to what the conspiracy theory would be.

Have you followed this enough to know

what would be the accusation that they knew there was going to be a train derailment?

And then

I guess

it would

be kind of a weird

strange path if that's what they were doing intentionally.

I mean, you would

it would be a little ridiculous.

I mean, that that's a little ridiculous of a conspiracy theory.

It's just so coincidental that if you you just want to ask the questions, which is what we tried to do.

We tried to do and did not get those answers, but I'm sure they're coming soon.

Now,

speaking of this, there is a kind of an interesting other story on misinformation, disinformation.

And it revolves around Google.

Google has done this really cool thing now

to where, you know, all of everybody is getting out of the world of,

you know, disinformation.

We're not going to put lists together anymore, blacklist.

And, you know it's interesting to me i felt something was wrong with this for the last couple of weeks every time it's been brought up and brought up in meetings i've just said

and i didn't know what to verbalize um until i saw this story and i'm like that's what i was feeling it seemed too easy they're exposed They're exposed for, you know, working with this group out of England and making a list, a blacklist.

And all of a sudden, Microsoft, Google, everybody's like, oh, you know what?

Oh, we're outraged.

We had no idea.

We're going to stop that blacklist.

We're not going to do that anymore.

Right?

Okay, listen to this story.

The misinformation or disinformation field has exploded in popularity over the past decade.

Forces in American society have been using these terms as a pretext for suppressing certain viewpoints on big tech platforms.

Now the world's largest and most used search engine company is getting deeper into the game.

Proponents of this endeavor have tried a series of methods to tackle the problem of what they call misinformation, but it appears they have found a new favored strategy.

So the reason why they were so willing to go, yeah,

whoa, you caught us, we're out,

is because they've been been working on something even worse.

The effort against supposed misinformation has transformed from a left-wing media talking point to a full-blown government-sponsored initiative to combat information inconvenient to the state's objectives.

In addition, various private organizations have positioned themselves as champions against false information being propagated on the internet.

To put simply, pre-bunking,

pre-bunking, not debunking pre-bunking is the new tool it is designed to inoculate people against the spread of misinformation on digital platforms rather than publishing information to expose supposedly false claims it relies on conditioning individuals to view certain types of arguments as fake news before they ever encounter them

Hmm.

This is

objectives is accomplished through the use of strategic videos, strategic ads, and even online games like Cat Park, which is funded by

the State Department's Global Engagement Center.

to crack down on the impact of populism on foreign elections.

Google, through its jigsaw unit, has been one of the entities at the forefront of the debunking initiative.

This is from

Just the News.

After experimenting on Americans,

after experimenting on Americans and Eastern Europeans last year, Google is expanding a program to inoculate YouTube viewers against purported misinformation and disinformation to Europe's largest economy and the world's soon-to-be biggest country.

The Alphabet-owned company gave the Associated Press a preview of its pre-bunking initiative expansion into Germany.

It will focus on the ease of presenting photos and videos as evidence of something false.

So,

what they're saying here is

they just need to precondition you, really without you really knowing it,

by manipulating different videos and ads directed towards what you might be predisposed to think.

So, you know, if you don't trust the government, you're going to get a lot of preconditioning to show that really the government is really very helpful and truthful.

You just just have been misguided.

And my guess is it won't say you're misguided.

You'll just start to have an algorithm that is very slowly pro-government.

As opposed to the one that exists now that is very obviously pro-government.

Yeah.

But no, I think I see what you're saying.

This goes back to some of the research we've talked about over the years where you can really easily, without anyone noticing, change the experience for a user on a search engine.

And it's going to become even more blatant with AI.

I mean, you know, no one, only, the only AI

transcripts that you read are the ones that people post intentionally on Twitter or whatever.

There's no record of them.

You know, this is why it would be so hard, they're talking about this for homework, why it would be so hard for the plagiarism thing to be caught now, because there's no record of what the AI is going to write for a kid that wants to write an essay.

Correct.

And so you push that to a place where a company that may have very close ties to the government and may have an agenda similar to the government wants to push through that agenda.

It would be much easy to do it.

Imagine if they had this pre-crime or pre-debunking of, let's say, ESG.

They could have had videos made that they were pushing out showing, oh, ESG is not real or it's really, really good and not what it's at before

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That way, I would have a much more difficult time getting this message out because too many people would be predisposed to go, yeah, war is good.

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Well, he has a new story that has just dropped today, and that is

a story on James Comer demanding records from the State Department and their funding

of the group of blacklisting conservatives.

This is an amazing story to think that our State Department has funded an effort to

stop advertising on programs like and truly including mine.

My tax dollars are going to hurt my own business.

It is incredible.

Welcome to the program.

Gabe, how are you?

Hi, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

So tell me the latest twist in this.

What's happening?

The latest twist is following the National Endowment for Democracy, a State Department-backed entity announcing it will no longer provide future resources to the Global Disinformation Index.

Today, Representative James Comer, chairman of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, has sent a letter to the State Department and Secretary Anthony Blinken, and he's demanding documents in connection to funding of the Global Disinformation Index.

by March 9th.

He's also demanding a briefing by the State Department no later than March 2nd.

So this is just the latest development in Republicans in Congress beginning to investigate this funding.

Explain to people why this matters so much.

You know, what we've uncovered through our series, Disinformation Inc.

in the Washington Examiner, is how the U.S.

Department of State has been funding an organization called the Global Disinformation Index, which has been secretly feeding and compiling blacklists

of conservative news websites and feeding those to advertising companies with the intent of shutting down those websites, places trying to dictate where you can read and get your information, places like The Blaze, the Daily Wire, the Washington Examiner, and certainly your radio show, Glenn.

And so what we found is that the State Department is funding that group, the Global Disinformation Index, which has raised pretty big red flags among First Amendment lawyers.

Have you seen the story about the

Google effort called Jigsaw?

I'm not familiar now.

Okay, you should look into this as part of your series because you're so good at your investigative reporting.

There is a story out now about Jigsaw.

And

what's bothered me was, you know, Bing and everybody else immediately jumping on the bandwagon saying, oh my gosh, we had no idea.

That global initiative, that was, huh?

We had no, we're not going to use that anymore.

There's a story out now about

pre-bunking instead of debunking, pre-bunking.

And Google is using a device that they have put together called Jigsaw.

And it is going to

push things out

to, let me see if I can get the

the way they have said this is absolutely incredible

it is not just going to expose false claims it relies on quote conditioning individuals to view certain types of arguments as fake news even before they encounter them

That sounds a little spooky.

Yeah, I will say that that does sound spooky.

And I'll tell you what, Glenn, that sounds sounds very similar to what we've unpacked at the Global Disinformation Index because they've been identifying disinformation as not merely fraudulent or false information, but actually opinion articles that they disagree with.

And so, for example, they've been flagging Washington Examiner pieces that are based on research, that are commentary, as disinformation.

So certainly the movement has morphed into this disagreement with ideas you don't like, you know?

It's really, really unbelievable.

Gabe, thank you so much for all of your work.

And this story just broke just a few minutes ago.

You can find it at the Washington Examiner.

If you're not reading the Washington Examiner every day, you're missing out.

It is a must-read

website.

Thank you so much, Gabe.

Appreciate it.

Thanks, Glenn.

Yeah, bye-bye.

He's an investigative reporter, has been looking at all of this disinformation.

And I mean,

my tax dollars, my tax tax dollars, are being put to use to silence me.

I mean, it's incredible.

And by the way, it's not the first time it's happened to you.

Congrats.

Yeah.

But this is a totally new type of effort.

It is the first time.

It's not the first time people have gone after me.

But if you remember right, the press had no interest in

when

the White House had organized three or four

separate attempts outside of the White House, but all from within the White House.

Right.

Like it was, you know, it was people who worked in the White House and they had side organizations that were coming after you.

I guess it's a little bit different.

Yeah, it's a little different.

But they had been doing that and nobody paid attention to that.

No one cared.

Nobody cared.

Now, but this is the first time.

And this is all of government approach.

This is what Joe Biden is doing.

It's all government approach to stopping whatever it is they want to stop.

And so they'll use and find all of the levers in all of these different agencies.

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see if the USDA was, you know,

working against energy or working against disinformation or whatever it is.

Yeah.

And

it ties into what we've been talking about the last couple of weeks, where the disinformation police, if you will, will, is something that actually could have value to society, especially right now, where we're going into a world where AI and deep fakes and voice replication and all these things are coming.

And having institutions that could sift through this for us and let us know when something was real and something wasn't would be truly valuable if it wasn't being done like this.

If we could have trust in these institutions, media sources, government, all of these things that are supposed to scientists, health officials, all these people are supposed to be around to help us go through this stuff and figure out what's real and what isn't.

Instead, what's happened is they've pre-bunked the whole process.

Correct.

They've come up with, they've made everyone not believe the fact-checking process before these crucial moments occur.

And now no one knows where to turn.

Well, I think it's really

becoming easier.

You know, anything that the networks are telling you is most likely

at least slanted,

but very well possibly false.

Okay.

You can't, this is the thing on the same thing with Putin and Ukraine.

More than one thing can be true.

Okay.

So

I don't like Putin.

However, what Putin said in his speech,

some of it was very true.

So it doesn't, and by saying that, that doesn't make me a supporter of Putin.

Okay.

There's another option.

Putin is right about these things, wrong about other things.

That doesn't make me have to choose between Putin or Biden.

I don't want Biden leading a war in Ukraine.

I like the people of Ukraine.

I don't like the government of Ukraine because it's absolutely corrupt.

I don't like the government of the United States because it appears to be absolutely corrupt.

I don't like the government of Russia.

It appears to be absolutely corrupt.

So I don't have to pick sides.

I can say I like and support the people, but I don't support any of those governments.

I don't support any of them in the war.

None.

I don't want my money going there.

I don't want it,

you know, going against Putin, and I don't want a nuclear war on Putin.

Last night I did a special on the effects of nuclear war, and it was really eye-opening because

we really don't take it seriously at all anymore because we all learn that, nah, this is, that's not good.

You can't win in that war.

But there was something in last night's special right towards the beginning that I thought was so important.

And that is the idea

that this is the first time, and think of this, this is the first time

that

two nuclear superpowers, Russia and the United States,

would be facing off face to face.

We've always fought through proxies like it's happening right now.

But Russia is now saying that

we have

perpetrated the Nord Stream pipeline explosion, which is a crime against humanity, war crimes, okay?

And we're saying war crimes against them.

And they are also saying that

by us being there and spending so much money and doing all this and giving them advice, we're directly engaging.

We are also saying that the only way that we're going to end this is if Putin and his regime is gone.

So it's regime change.

He is saying

that it's either us or them because I'm not going anywhere.

So if they defeat, they'll defeat our entire system.

So they cannot win.

The United States is trying to destroy us.

They're trying to destroy us.

We're trying to destroy them.

Okay.

That's never happened since we had nuclear missiles.

It's never happened.

We've never gone toe-to-toe, face-to-face.

And it's always been about another issue.

It hasn't been, I'm going to topple you.

That's what makes this nuclear flashpoint different than all of the other flashpoints.

It's always been about something else, but now both sides are on record: crimes against humanity, regime change

that's what if we got into a war and we know we knew Putin was winning and it meant the end of NATO and possibly the end of America

would we consider using nukes

it means the end of us and the end of Europe

I think we would.

If they are losing and they feel like that's the the end of Russia and they're going to be taken over by NATO,

will they use nukes?

Yeah, I think the answer is yes.

That's the biggest thing you need to understand about this.

I still don't think that it's a reality, that it will happen.

I do think that when you have the understanding that both sides are backing each other into a corner and they're both calling for the decapitation of those systems, both sides,

you're in a different world.

And you're right.

I mean, it's never happened.

It seems to me the

best way to avoid, this is going to sound very basic, but the best way to avoid this escalating is for the current president to be voted out of office and someone else being in control of those decisions.

If we can make it that long.

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Two years away.

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Well, it looks like the DOD now is also involved in opposition research.

The Department of Defense has been caught releasing private individuals' records

unlawfully to opposition research teams, Democrats.

And those records are being used to smear people, threaten people,

and change elections.

So we got that going for us too now.

now.

Yeah, that's, you know, I think we might be on the verge of something really big in this world.

Because if you think about like the, I've always thought that the media really hit a tripwire with Trump.

They've always been liberal.

They've always been

insane.

But they went insane.

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Correct.

Right.

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Correct.

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No.

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How many people would you say are preppers here in the United States?

Attach a number to it.

Stu.

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How many?

I mean, I...

330 million people.

How many are preppers?

How many are preppers?

Would consider themselves preppers?

10%?

Uh-huh.

1%.

Wow.

3.7 million.

That's it.

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We are radically underprepared for anything that might happen.

Last night I did a special on the threat of nuclear war, and there were a couple things that came out of that that were really, really important.

First of all, we've had close calls, but this is the first time time that you've had two nuclear powers, Russia and the United States, directly engaging each other.

It's always been through proxies, and it still is somewhat through Ukraine.

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Russia and Putin.

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It's a frightening scenario, and we are not prepared.

Other countries are beginning to prepare.

Should we?

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He is a

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Bunker, Building for the End Times.

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Hi, Brad.

How are you, sir?

Good morning, Glenn.

I'm doing great.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm shocked at the number that there's only 3.7 million Americans that would consider themselves preppers.

I would have thought that was at least 5%, 10%.

You know,

I think that number is a bit misleading because a lot of people don't want to identify themselves as preppers.

So I think that

that's a problem with polling.

Because

if you ask people, if you switch that question around, you say,

can you survive for 30 days on your own?

Like imagine there's no government infrastructure,

water's down, power's down, there's no grocery stores.

If you ask people the question that way, then about

11.7 million people say that they can survive for 30 days.

So

I think it's a problem of labeling.

You know, just like in the past, people didn't want to be called survivalists.

People now don't want to be called preppers.

It has a kind of, you know,

taken on a negative connotation for some reason.

You know, it used to just be called self-reliance.

Are you self-reliant?

Yeah.

Yeah, of course.

yeah 150 years ago everyone was self-reliant right we've become we've become increasingly dependent on the state um and less dependent on our neighbors which i think is the bigger problem you know i i

because i consider myself uh

well actually i i go back and forth i consider myself a prepper because i'm more prepared than most of my friends um however i i just know there's going to be something like oh crap i forgot batteries there's going to be something that it all falls apart you know what i mean um Absolutely.

There's always something.

But, you know, this is why I spent a lot of time in

Salt Lake City when I was writing my book, Bunker.

And the

Church of Latter-day Saints up there, and they are incredible preppers.

And they run through scenarios all the time.

So they will.

You know, they'll practice an emergency.

They'll work through their food stores.

They practice calling everyone on their phone chain, making sure their neighbors are available in the event of a disaster.

That's what we should all be doing.

If you do a dry run, then you realize what you're lacking.

Were you allowed into the tunnels underneath Salt Lake?

No, I tried.

You should have called me.

I could have maybe gotten you in.

It's incredible.

Yeah, it's absolutely incredible.

They have enough food, storage, and everything else for the entire city in case there's a problem.

It's really incredible.

Really incredible.

That's fantastic.

I have to say it was the easiest part of writing my book.

You know, a lot of preppers, particularly preppers that are building

high-level luxury private bunkers,

did not want people to necessarily know where they were or what was inside them.

But when I showed up in Salt Lake City,

they were open arms for the most part, just let me into all of their facilities.

I saw the the canning facilities where they filled those number 10 cans with pasta and oatmeal and everything else.

And that was, it was, it was, it was quite a thing.

But yeah, I didn't make it to the tunnels.

Um, tell me,

since we have had this nuclear warning, um, it's my understanding that there are countries, Russia is one of them, I think Switzerland is one, I think the United Kingdom is one, where they are going back and looking at their old Cold War bunkers.

And in

Switzerland, I believe that they're being mandated by government.

You've got to go update the food and water in them.

Is that true?

That is true, yeah.

And I mean, it's kind of ironic that the bunkers that were built by the Soviet Union in Ukraine have been sheltering people and saving probably tens of thousands of lives at this point.

But that has encouraged the rest of Europe to sort of reassess their position in terms of bunkers.

Switzerland is

the most protected country on earth, aside from maybe North Korea, but we have no idea what's going on,

really.

So there is space for

102% of the population,

which is kind of astounding.

You know, they've actually got 300,000 private bunkers inside Switzerland and then 5,000 public shelters.

And most of those are

not just fallout shelters, but blast shelters.

So those are nuclear, biological, and chemical filtered shelters that the population can take shelter in.

And, you know, there's actually enough space that if someone was visiting,

you know, the tourists could end up in those bunkers as well.

That is crazy.

So, where are we on the scale of these Western nations and nations that would be affected by this nuclear threat?

Where are we in taking it seriously and as a government and preparing people for it.

Absolutely terrible.

I mean,

the U.S.

and U.K.

are probably at the bottom of the list in terms of preparations.

And that goes back in the United States to the Cold War.

So there was

a team of nuclear strategists that included Herman Kahn that thought about what it would take to...

He wrote this amazing book on thermodynamics.

I have a copy of it.

It's great.

Absolutely incredible.

But he ran these scenarios about what it would take to evacuate the U.S.

population into bunkers if there were to be an all-out nuclear exchange.

And the cost of construction of those bunkers essentially exceeded GDP of the country for a year.

Yeah, so

that's why the

Kennedy administration, I think it was in 63, Kennedy made the speech where he basically said,

you know, it's the responsibility of each person, each family, each community to take preparation upon yourselves.

And that's the path that we've been going down since then.

And I think what frustrates a lot of Americans is that we now know that as that speech was being made, the government was hard at work constructing bunkers for themselves, for their families, for their aides.

So, you know, we have a model in the United States and also in the UK

where if you're a politician, if you're a CEO, if you're

someone with influence and power, you're probably going to get space in a bunker, but everyone else is left out to dry.

And

so that has triggered in the United States this incredible movement in the last 10 years or so of private citizens building their own bunkers.

And some of these even rival the government bunkers that were built during the Cold War.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So why did you write this book?

Are you, I mean, do you, are you feeling we're going to need bunkers or

what was your motivation here?

Well,

the bunker is really a metaphor

for thinking about our deteriorating geopolitical situation, thinking about our deteriorating, you know,

just

social situation within the country.

When I began writing the book, I was

interested in the topic from a sociological perspective.

I wanted to know who the private players were that were building these bunkers, what they were worried about,

and whether there was any credence to it.

And

I have,

since I wrote the book, purchased a cabin in the woods and a five-acre ranch.

I've got two different locations that are connected by a

four-wheel drive dirt track, so I can move between them without going on major roads.

Most of the people that I spoke to who were serious about their preparations told me

that

the concerns that they had weren't just speculative, right?

That they felt we were on the precipice of something happening.

And keep in mind, I started writing this book in 2017.

I finished it in.

in 2021.

So

I had a lot of interviews with people telling me that a pandemic was inevitable, that we were overdue for one, that they happened with regularity every hundred years or so.

And then it happened.

And so that made me go back and reassess all the other things that people were telling me that seemed slightly conspiratorial

or

like some kind of magical thinking.

And then when I went and reassessed those claims, they seemed to hold a lot more weight than I expected them to.

Yeah.

And so you became, you became one of us.

Anyway,

I crossed over.

Sorry about that, Brad.

But I think to your point, you know, it's, you know, we're just going back to an earlier time, or it's

taking on a different kind of mindset where you can't just get on Amazon and click a button and get the thing you need tomorrow.

You need to have it now because you might not be able to get it when things go wrong.

And so,

yeah, I think it's just, it's just a kind of changing up our mindset a little bit to think about

what our position might be in the future, and it might be a little more precarious than it is now.

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I remember I graduated high school in 1982 and my

rights and responsibilities project was

an essay on the preparedness of our school.

And I went into our fallout shelter and it was a joke.

I remember the air was not being filtered.

The air was just from a shaft that went right directly outside.

Now I can't even imagine,

you know, do fallout shelters even exist anymore?

Well,

they do.

Most of them are in a state of disrepair.

A lot of them have been turned into,

you know, they've just been adapted for different purposes um

there was a a national fallout shelter survey that took place in the the late 1960s early 70s where we identified uh parking garages basements you know spaces that can be essentially used as a as a fallout shelter so imagine you know you're 100 miles from a nuclear blast

You would get into this parking garage and wait it out.

But most of those spaces, as you say, didn't have any sort of filtration.

right um so you know you might you might increase people's possibility of surviving but you're not assuring anyone is going to survive really

now if you try and look for those fallout shelters

they're hard to find of course the government has continued

you know,

the theme of protecting themselves.

So they have space that they can go to.

There's a ring of about 100 bunkers around Washington, D.C.

that government officials can be easily whisked away to, that, of course, are stockpiled with food and they've got EMP shielded communication systems.

They're blast shelters so they could take a direct hit.

So we've assured the continuity of government.

But that's about it.

Cockroaches and politicians will survive.

Of course they will, Yeah.

But, you know, the government without its people doesn't mean much, does it?

No, it doesn't.

Yeah.

I mean, it's an incredible thing to imagine.

During the Cold War, every city in the United States with over half a million people in it had a nuclear warhead aimed at it ready to fire.

I mean, it literally just took someone to press that button and that city would be obliterated.

And it feels like, you know, those nuclear tensions obviously are ramping up again, and we might end up back in that situation where we're thinking seriously about what it would mean to lose D.C.,

Los Angeles, Boston.

I mean,

what would we do?

And the answer is the government has a plan, but we don't for the most part.

So where do you even start

on

a plan?

I mean, you know, people will say, I've got food and water, but if you had something, and it doesn't even have to be a nuclear explosion, you have something where everything has broken down.

You have 72 hours to be away from people.

Otherwise, after 72 hours, if no help comes, the thing just goes into chaos.

And if you're known as the person with the food and everything else, I hope you have strong metal doors.

Right, yeah.

I mean, there's a huge debate within the prepper community about bugging out versus bugging in.

And it's kind of a rural versus urban debate because if you're in an urban area, you probably want to get out of there.

Correct.

You know, as you said, the preppers have this saying, 72 hours to animal.

It takes about three days before

people start really falling apart.

People will actually, you know, sociological studies have shown that in a disaster, people, their first reaction is to help others.

Right.

And that will carry on for a couple of days until the people who are providing assistance start suffering.

And then things start collapsing.

So is it that or is it that in 72 hours when you know help isn't coming, then you start to have the bad guys go,

we can take it all.

I mean, nobody's coming.

I think it's more of a sense of abandonment.

You know, once people realize help isn't coming, then you start to turn to yourself and your family rather than providing assistance to others.

And so,

yeah, you know, what can you do?

Well, you know, if we're talking about existential threats, nuclear war, unaligned artificial intelligence destroying us, you know, an EMP that wipes out all of the electronics in the country instantaneously, this isn't really stuff you can prepare for very well.

Right.

You know, but what you can prepare for is kind of minor turbulence, I call it

the taps turning off or electricity being out for a day or two.

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that has

your passport, your car titles, your birth certificate, you know,

that kind of stuff, and have that ready to grab at a moment's notice.

Those are things that everyone can do right now.

And it's really, it doesn't take much.

All right.

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We're talking to Dr.

Bradley Garrett.

He is the author

of a book called Bunker: Building for the End Times.

He was not necessarily, as he just said a few minutes ago, a prepper.

He was just interested more in the societal effects and reasons of prepping.

And now

he considers himself a prepper himself after listening to the people and why they were building these bunkers.

You saw

some

really incredible bunkers, I'm guessing.

Oh, Glenn, it was such a privilege to write this book because I was able to travel to eight different countries looking at government and private bunkers, and I got access to some of the most elaborate, luxurious, and incredible private installations on Earth.

There's one in Europe someplace, I can't remember where it is, where it's a huge underground compound.

Did you get into any of those?

So

I think you're probably referring to Europa 1, which is a development...

For millionaires and billionaires.

Yeah.

So

the problem with a lot of these bunkers is that

the developers that are building them are trying to sell space before they're built, and they create these CGI representations and

photorealistic images of bunkers that do not exist.

And Europa One is one of those, unfortunately.

I chased that rabbit for quite a while

before I realized that there was nothing there.

But there are plenty of examples of

bunkers that have been built that I was able to tour that are absolutely incredible.

The gold standard being the survival condo in Kansas.

Did you ever run into that one?

No.

Okay, this is absolutely amazing.

So there was

a developer named Larry Hall.

He bought this Atlas S missile silo.

from the federal government.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, this was a missile silo that would have contained an ICBM with with a nuclear warhead on it.

Obviously, they've been decommissioned since the Cold War, and then the government is left holding the bag.

You know,

what do we do with these things?

So they put them up for sale, and Larry Hall bought one of these bunkers for $300,000.

It's got nine-foot concrete walls, and it's 200 feet deep.

And

he had to pump a bunch of water out of this thing because it's in the middle of

agricultural fields in central Kansas.

And he ended up building, he spent $10 million building a subterranean skyscraper.

I call it a geoscraper in my book.

I'm not sure what else to call it.

But imagine a skyscraper turned upside down.

If it were the other way around, it would be the second largest, second highest building in Kansas.

Right, yeah, somebody built this thing upside down.

So there's 15 stories underground, and he's got

a swimming pool, a rock climbing wall, a dog park, residential structures.

He's got a dentist, surgery rooms.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He's got a shoot he's got a shooting range down there, three armories,

a a cinema.

I mean, it's just a bar a bar, which I'm not sure that's the best idea.

If everyone's confined underground to have them drinking at the bar.

But

he's also got a jail cell.

If things go wrong, you know, they can chuck someone in there.

And he's even got a quarantine facility.

So he's got

a separate unit connected to the

medical room where he can quarantine someone if they're sick.

And then it has

a ventilation system that's disconnected from the rest of the bunker.

I mean, it's, I, I, um, I'm just looking at it online.

Just just

search for

what was a survival condo in Kansas.

And it's amazing.

Amazing.

It is absolutely incredible.

And I can tell you, I looked at the photos of this thing.

I had been disappointed again and again when I was writing this book.

As I mentioned, I would show up.

There was nothing there.

Or I would get, you know,

people would become very evasive when I asked to see it in person.

Larry, on the other hand, said, come on over.

And I drove up from Texas at rapid speed to go see the bunker.

And it exceeded all of my expectations.

I mean, it's

got an Aquaponics facility in there.

They're raising tilapia.

They've got a grocery store that he modeled on Whole Foods where you actually get the cart and you go and you get your cans and you get your fresh bread and you can have a coffee made by the barista.

Wait, how many people can stay in there?

So he's currently, he's sold space to about 60 people down there.

And

so he sells either a half floor or a full floor condo.

The half floors, I believe, are 1.5 million and the full floors are 3 million.

But the thing that's really weird

when I spoke to him about it is he said, look, I asked him, what kind of group dynamic do you have down here?

Yeah, yeah.

Like, you know, does everyone, have they met each other?

Do you have get-togethers?

Right.

Do you have like a complimentary skill set?

Right.

You know, obviously, you need the dentist, you need the doctor, you need someone who can make coffee.

You know what I mean?

You need all these people to get this thing to function.

And he said, look, Brad, when someone's writing you a check for one and a half million dollars, you don't ask any questions.

Oh, I do.

I do.

You know, that's what

honestly, that's what would stop me from buying into something like this is I want to know that the people I'm with are not crazy zombie fighters.

You know,

they're not, let's go get, you know,

that we all are like-minded.

And, you know, when society breaks down, somebody always tries to be in charge.

And we've seen this in

every disaster movie.

You know, somebody is in there and they're like, I got this.

You'll all sit down.

You're like, oh, crap.

So I kind of like it.

And that's what Larry told me.

He said, you know, when

the event takes place and everyone retreats to the bunker, they're not making any decisions at that point.

I close the door and myself and my security team decides who's doing what and when because

we can't have an insurrection.

We can't have a mutiny inside this ship.

I mean, I love this.

So a lot of the preppers talk to me about their bunkers as being a ship that travels through time rather than space, which I just found totally fascinating.

What does that mean?

So they said,

so

you stockpile the bunker for three weeks, three months, three years, five years, whatever, right?

You've got this kind of arbitrary time that you're going to pass through.

And they talk to me like it was a journey.

Well, we're going to get in here.

We're going to close the door.

And then we're all in the ship for three years.

And the goal is to exit the ship, right?

right?

Like we made it to the other side and then we exit the thing.

And so maintaining order and stability isn't just

about

technical engineering.

It's not just about stockpiling food and making sure that everyone is comfortable and happy.

It's also about maintaining social cohesion,

about maintaining order inside the bunker.

And the easiest way to do that, of course, is through an extremely authoritarian structure where you just say, you know, there's one person making the rules here and everyone's following the rules and that's how we get off this ship.

I mean, that's what happens on an actual ship on the ocean, right?

You've got a commander who says that everyone's following the rules, but you get flogged, and that's how the ships made it to their destination.

So do

most bunkers that you saw, are they groups of people or are families doing this?

Well, so this is a change from the Cold War.

In the Cold War, you had this model where people were kind of, you know, digging up their backyards and putting in a bunker for themselves and their family.

And that model obviously excludes your neighbors, your community.

And so it can be somewhat alienating.

So a lot of the private bunkers that

I visited when I was writing this book had a very different model.

It was more like a commune, honestly.

You know, they said, we're going to bring people in.

We want people to have complementary skills.

We want to make sure everyone gets along and that we have a tribe, essentially, because

surviving on your own is really hard.

You really need community.

You need other people

to be able to make it through a situation, particularly if it's lasting for months on end.

And so a lot of these new bunker communities that have sprung up in the past 10 years or so, they're based on a community model that anthropologists studied in the 1960s, where when you get to about 250 people, um communities start breaking down correct because that's that's the point at which people don't really know each other correct as well correct and so that's kind of the limit of what you can do if you're going to build a really survivable community

so

as you're looking at all of this and you were you were looking at as an outsider at first um

How sane does it

seem to be to do these things?

Or is this just going to be remembered as like a 1950s backyard bunker that just, you know, was never used?

Well, I think the thing that people are creating now, because it's based on the sense of community,

it will be, what people will remember is the times they had there.

So I went to another community called the X Point in South Dakota.

This is built built by a California real estate developer named Robert Bucino.

And he purchased 575 concrete bunkers that were left behind from World War II.

Again, the government doesn't know what to do with these things.

You know, they opened it up to cattle grazing.

And then eventually Robert came in and said, hey, I'll lease those bunkers and then I'll sublease them to preppers that want to have a safe space.

So I was there on day one of that thing opening.

And I was there when the first four residents signed

their leases to move into it.

Now, a couple of years on, there's about 40 families there.

And

on 4th of July,

it's a ride out there.

It's really fun.

Everyone's out barbecuing.

They bring their RVs.

They bring their families.

Everyone knows each other.

It's a pretty tight-knit community.

I think, you know, when we look back on it from the future, that's what people remember.

You know,

we bought this thing and, you know, we could we could have purchased

a pontoon or an RV, but instead we bought this bunker in the middle of South Dakota and we had some amazing parties out there and we met friends.

And

if something had happened, we could have gone to it.

Of course, the...

you know,

the thing people are mostly thinking about is when something does happen, they've got a place to go.

And so

um but it gives people a

sense of peace you know um we're all living with this incredible anxiety about you know global geopolitics about internal strife within the country and the bunker for these people gives them a sense of solace you know they know that they have a place to go they know that they have a community that they can return to as you say of like-minded people right where they can they can retreat and they can talk about what's happening and they can put a plan together.

And they spend their time out there working on practical skills, which is a really cool thing because

a lot of the partisan political divides that we have right now,

they get annihilated when you start talking about water filtration and

solar panels.

And you know what I mean?

You get

we have a ranch and you know, even just being out there every Sunday and working the ranch, you know, mending the fence, things things like that.

A lot of stuff falls away and life becomes much more simple.

And

it does give you peace to know you have a place to go.

Dr.

Bradley Garrett, the book is Bunker, the

Building for the End Times.

Highly recommend it.

Bradley, I'd love to have you on again.

You're fascinating.

Thank you so much.

Absolutely.

It's been a pleasure, Glenn.

Bye-bye.

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Charlie Sheen is an icon of decadence.

I lit the fuse and my life turns into everything it wasn't supposed to be.

He's going the distance.

He was the highest paid TV star of all time.

When it started to change, it was quick.

He kept saying, No, no, no, I'm in the hospital now, but next week I'll be ready for the show.

No.

Charlie's sober.

He's going to tell you the truth.

How do I present this with any class?

I think we're past that, Charlie.

We're past that, yeah.

Somebody call action.

Aka Charlie Sheen, only on Netflix, September 10th.

Yesterday, the Wednesday night special.

you can get all of the research that we did.

There's some really important things in it.

One of them, do we have the Ronald Reagan cut from last night?

Listen to this.

While they preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth, they are the focus of evil in the modern world.

Can I ask you?

You know he's talking about the Soviet Union, but think about what the Great Reset and the WEF and

Build Back Better is all about.

Play that again, and think of the United States.

While they preach the supremacy of the state, declare its omnipotence over individual man, and predict its eventual domination of all peoples on the earth.

They are the focus of evil in the modern world.

Does that kind of sound like what we're doing now, right now?

I mean,

we're like, you know, saying the administrative state is going to run everything and

we're all going to just all march in line.

You're certainly farther down that road than I'd like to be.

Yeah, me too.

Me too.

Anyway,

we shared the pertinent information and took you through the history of why we haven't blown each other up

and

then gave you some evidence that maybe times are changing and they shouldn't, but maybe they are.

Should we be prepared?

All of the research, everything from last night's show is available now at Glenbeck.com.

If you just sign up for my free email newsletter, it'll be sent to you.

And again, you can watch it on demand now at

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So let me talk to you about home title fraud.

If you think it's the type of thing that only happens to other people, it only happens to other people.

That's what I was thinking.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, you're an idiot.

But to convince you.

That's not a way to get me to get out of here.

No, I'm just saying.

Well, I'm not saying that.

I'm just saying you're an idiot.

Okay.

Think of this.

This is something, somebody who actually did this stuff and what he was doing.

Listen.

Okay, I'm listening.

Nobody thinks that I can take their house and borrow against the house.

Oh, no, I have title insurance for that.

No, it's in my name.

Or he would have to get some special document.

They would call me.

Nobody thinks that's a good question.

Nobody's calling you.

After I've stolen the title, borrowed against it or sold the property or done whatever I've done with it.

It's 60 to 90 days to even figure out that they're the victim of this crime.

You know, by that point, you start getting foreclosure notices and you realize you've got four mortgages on your house.

Not only that, you don't even own your home anymore.

How you entered his wallet?

No, he didn't actually take your house, sir.

Just know that don't be like Glenn.

And

who's that?

Happened to you.

Was that the radio guy?

He's a genius.

All right.

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Vivek Ramaswamy is on with us.

You know, you could have told me, given me a better clue.

We just talked, I think it was on Friday, and said, Are you thinking about running for president?

You're like, I'm thinking about it.

Come on, you knew.

You knew.

Glenn, I think I said I was very seriously considering it.

I talked about every possible hint I could have on the show.

No, I mean, we hung up, and I said on the air, he's running.

He's absolutely running.

Yeah, come on.

I get it for you.

I know.

Exactly.

So, Vivek, first of all,

you are not known as a politician or somebody who's ever done this.

You're known as a CEO.

We'll get into some of that.

What is it that your platform, I mean, like on

with Russia?

What would you do as president with what we're going through now in Ukraine?

I think foreign policy is all about prioritization, Glenn.

I would not spend another dollar on Ukraine.

I would reprioritize that to take on the number one foreign policy challenge, which is declaration of independence from communist China.

I think we can declare economic independence and defeat them economically so we don't have to militarily.

That's number one.

And then number two, if there's a use case for the U.S.

military and weapons, it is actually to protect our border and to take on, and I would go so far as to say, decimate the cartels.

100,000 fentanyl deaths in the United States today, 80% of which comes from southern border crossings.

Deal with that.

Protect our soil here.

We could do that for for a fraction, Glenn, of the cost that it takes to

fight a foreign war somewhere on the other side of the world that has far fewer American interests tied to it.

I was in New Hampshire yesterday, and actually, one of the things that surprises me, Glenn, is how broad the support for that idea for what foreign policy prompts is.

Oh, yeah.

And it's amazing to me that the defense establishment doesn't, you know, says you can't say that in polite company, but that gives you a sense for where I am on foreign policy.

So let me ask you if a vaccine, I mean,

Donald Trump was an outsider.

He came in, and he's told me several times personally, he had no idea.

He knew it was bad, but he had no idea that he wouldn't be able to trust a soul in Washington.

He had no idea how deep the deep state was and how powerful it was.

What makes you think you could go in and rock everyone's world?

Well, he's told me the same thing, and he's a friend.

And honestly, I take inspiration from what he did in 2015.

I just think we got to take this to the next level.

Part of this is going to have to be just involving shutting agencies down full stop.

Now, are there costs and benefits to that?

Yes.

But I think we live in a moment where the benefits outweigh those costs.

So, when you say shut agencies down, what agencies are you talking about?

Department of Education.

Let's start there.

I was speaking to the Iowa legislature this morning, congratulating them for what they did with School Choice in Iowa.

I say we need to eliminate the federal Department of Education.

But many other three-letter acronyms, even much of the national security apparatus, Glenn, has to be shut down and replaced in those cases with something new.

Because when a managerial rot runs so deep, you can't reform it by putting a different figurehead at the top.

You have to shut it down and build something new to take its place.

And here's the other thing.

I mean, I can say this.

Donald Trump knows this just as well as I do from being a CEO.

If you can't fire somebody who works for you, that means they don't work for you.

It means you work for them.

You are their slaves.

We need to replace these civil service protections with sunset clauses saying that, you know what, if I can't be the next president of the United States and work for the federal government for more than eight years, then neither should anybody who works for me either.

Those federal bureaucrats got to be subject to eight-year sunset clauses.

How are you going to get that done?

I mean,

you have to have a Congress that has the balls to do these things.

And I'm not sure you have the Congress on either side of the aisle.

You got a few.

You're asking all the right questions, right?

So I take a strong view of the Constitution here.

Article II of the Constitution says that the President of the United States runs the federal government, period.

So if Congress isn't willing to act, as president, I am, and I have studied the Supreme Court and the composition of the Supreme Court right now.

You want to take this one and test it in the Supreme Court with me?

Great.

We can then use judicial precedent to make sure that we lock that in.

I believe that Clarence Thomas and others on the court today will be right there with me on my view of Article II and how that reads in the Constitution to say that a lot of these other

quasi-unconstitutional statutes from the Impoundment Prevention Act of 1974 that says that actually that the president has to spend money on specific agencies that Congress has actually authorized it to have to spend on.

That's authorization, not a mandate.

Firing in civil service protections, as I said, if you're running the federal government under Article 2 of the Constitution, the president runs the executive branch.

I take the Constitution seriously.

And you know what?

I think the friendly way to do it is to lead Congress.

I personally think that 2024 can actually be a landslide election, Glenn.

It's a separate topic for another day.

I'm optimistic about that.

But if we don't get it done that way, we will get it done through executive authority per what the Constitution empowers a president to do.

This is what, again, I talk about America First, I'm all in as an America First Conservative.

We've just got to take this to the next level with what I repeatedly am now calling America First 2.0.

And that's a big part of the reason I'm doing this.

So why did you change you said you were libertarian?

Why Why did you decide you were

a conservative over a libertarian?

I used to be a libertarian in college, actually.

And I had this discussion with folks in New Hampshire yesterday, too.

There was a couple of libertarians that came to

one of my rallies last night.

But

here's the thing.

Libertarians, I got two issues.

One is they're too meek, actually.

So they'll talk about the free market, and they say they don't want to make political expression a civil right, as I believe we need to in this country.

Yet they don't actually touch the other protected classes, like race or sex or religion or national origin.

And so my view is these libertarians today, with all due respect, have their heads in the sand because you can't have it both ways.

That's problem number one.

But problem number two is deeper, which is, you know, what do we do in that free world?

Even when the state's out of our hair, there's still the deeper question of purpose as a citizen, how we live our lives, how we live virtuous lives.

And I care about virtue in civic life and in family life and in faith-based life too.

Not to say that the government necessarily should be involved or mandating those things, but those things matter for human flourishing, for American flourishing.

And libertarianism has nothing to say about that.

That is why I call myself a conservative today, in contrast to 15 years ago when I thought I was a cool kid in college calling myself a libertarian.

So we're talking to Vivek Ramaswamy, who's running for President of the United States as a Republican.

We've gotten to know each other over the World Economic Forum and ESG, and you are not only

one of the biggest voices against it,

You're actually, you've put into action Strive management, where you are saying, invest with us.

We'll do better with your money than BlackRock.

And we're going to use the voting rights that we get to try to tell these companies, don't do these woke things.

But there's some charges out about you that I'd just like to hear you answer.

You were nominated and selected as as a World Economic Forum young global leader in 21.

This is hilarious.

Thank you for this opportunity.

This is actually a lot of fun for me.

Look, partisan politics, I think there's a lot of people on the left and on the right who are threatened by my entry into this race.

So I welcome the opportunity to have this debate in the open.

All right.

I think you know this.

I don't like to boast about myself, but I would go so far as to say no one, and I mean no one in this country, has been a bigger both doer and crusader against the World Economic Forum agenda than probably the two of us on this call.

I would challenge somebody to name, I really mean it, I would challenge anybody to name one for me.

If you really pressed me, I would name maybe Elon Musk.

And guess what?

He's named on that same website of the World Economic Forum.

Somebody else, financially, friend Peter Thiel, he's been named on that same website.

You want to know why?

Here's the dirty little secret.

And I've seen this firsthand.

I experienced it firsthand.

The World Economic Forum names you on their website without your permission.

So the funny part is, I have a book coming out later this year where I actually detail this experience.

I have phone calls, emails, and I was respectful about it.

I believe in being civil.

But I said, do not name me on your website because I do not accept your award.

I don't want to speak at your conference.

They tell me, oh, no, no, no, no, you misunderstand.

We have all the global billionaires here.

Mark Zuckerberg was a young global fellow.

They gave me the list of names.

And they said, no, no, no, Vivek, you don't understand.

This is an honor.

I was like, I respectfully disagree.

I don't want to be named.

And I don't accept your award.

And then they go on to put my name on their website anyway.

Now, they've asked me to speak there and that kind of thing.

I declined.

But the funny thing about me, and I was learning a little bit about how this partisan politics game works, you know, Trump spoke at the World Economic Forum in Davos in 2018 and 2019.

Do I hold that against him?

No.

You want to know why?

Because everyone who's as financially successful as me or Donald Trump or Elon Musk or whoever else gets invited to speak.

In my case, I said no, because this has been my focus area.

It would not have made sense for me to do it.

In Trump's case, he said, yes, I don't hold that against him.

But I think it just reveals, you know, one of the things that's been eye-opening to me about the online version of the conservative movement is the rise of these clickbait conservatives that it's sort of sad, want to mislead their own followers to advance what agenda I don't know.

But at the end of the day, I also don't want to complain about it.

We're in the big leagues with presidential politics.

This is the...

You know, we all know it's a dirty game, but

it's good to keep your eye on the fact.

Well,

I can verify.

I'm not a good opponent of this agenda than me.

I can verify one thing.

The World Economic Forum has me on a list too, and they won't take me off that list either.

So it's just not the same kind of list.

They can't do it.

I know.

So the next thing is that you have a long-time association with Soros.

And I'm probably the number one anti-Soros guy in the world.

Can I give you a one-word answer to that question, Glenn?

I know you're the number one anti-Soros guy, so I'm not saying false to you.

I'm saying false to the longtime association with George Soros.

Yeah.

Lie.

100% lie.

Now, let me actually give you guys the facts.

And again,

these clickbait conservatives online, I don't know if they feel threatened or whatever, and

they need to make up stuff.

I was 25 years old when I went to law school.

I got a scholarship funded by Paul Soros, not George Soros, but Paul Soros, that allowed me at at the age of 25 to pay for law school.

And I took it.

You want to know why?

Because I'm smart.

Now, it's hilarious to me that the same people who bring that fact up from when I was 25 years old taking a scholarship funded partially by somebody who's related to George Soros don't say a word about the fact that, again, Donald Trump, who I love, who I respect, I'm not criticizing him, took a $160 million loan from not Paul Soros, but George Soros himself.

I have no problem with it.

You want to know why?

Because it's business.

Donald Trump knows what he's doing.

I don't think he's corrupted by that.

I'm not criticizing him for it.

He's a friend.

But I think it's funny, and I think it's revealing that these same people will talk about a 25-year-old kid taking a scholarship to help him pay for law school from a relative of George Soros, make a big deal out of that, without saying a peep about Donald Trump taking a $160 million loan for George Soros.

And I say that as a friend and somebody who respects Donald Trump because I don't think that that disqualifies him or taints him in any way, because he's a man of integrity, and he's doing business the way he knows how.

But I think that when you're in positions like I've been or Donald Trump's been, you get that.

I think if you're sitting online all day on Twitter, it can be a very different story.

All right.

I've got one more question in this line here.

And that is,

you're a biotech guy and in bed with big pharmaceuticals and

a big proponent of mRNA shots.

And,

you know,

you've never critiqued Pfizer.

So

let me say a couple things.

First of those things is true.

I'm a biotech guy.

I am proud of my success in biotech.

But then five of the medicines I worked on, personally oversaw in the company that I founded, are FDA-approved products today.

That is now a multi-billion dollar company, a $7 billion company that I led as CEO.

One of those drugs is a drug for prostate cancer, another for women's health conditions from endometriosis to uterine fibroids to psoriasis, to one that's particularly touching for me.

It's an approved therapy for kids who were born with a genetic disease that caused them to die by the age of two at 100% fatality rate by the age of two or three.

Now a majority of them have an opportunity to live lives of potentially a normal duration.

I'm proud of those things, Glenn.

I will not apologize for it.

That is part of what makes America great, and is part of what makes innovation great is it empowers human beings to live better lives.

That is not...

an association with anything other than human innovation and a commitment to actually making people prosper by addressing diseases and treating them.

Now, the idea that I am a proponent of some sort of vaccination agenda, no, I'm on the record right now.

I oppose vaccine mandates.

I think that there has been a lot of rampant government lying and mistrust, appropriately so to the American public, because of how badly they handled this issue.

But I think we can't go to a place where we say that now we don't want people working on innovative medicines to treat diseases from prostate cancer to psoriasis to genetic conditions in children.

No, I think that we ought to stand up for the innovation that makes us who we are.

And I'm proud of what I accomplished.

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Let me go back to your platform.

A good friend of ours, David Harsani,

has a pushback a bit on one of your platform policies.

I'd like to hear your response.

Yeah, some, I think, respectful questioning about

one of your policy proposals, Vivek, about making political ideas a protected right.

I think there's a lot of appeal to conservatives who continually get fired from their jobs over what they believe.

He says, though,

we could have some negative side effects.

He says your idea would potentially make it illegal not only for Disney to fire a social conservative, but for a Jewish restaurant to sever its relationship with a Nazi, or a hedge fund would be compelled to keep a Trotskyite who believe profits are evil on the payroll, or Walmart having to wait for the worker who spends his days trying to put big box chains out of business to leave on his own volition.

How do you walk this line?

Because obviously there is a lot of really negative consequences coming from this, but does

if we make this a civil right, does it go too far?

Great question.

These are the kinds of things we actually should be talking about.

That's a great question.

Thank you.

So here's what I would say.

I would give Congress a choice.

Either you repeal the protected classes as they exist, okay, race, sex, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, and you actually leave it to the free market, or you have to apply those standards even-handedly.

But you cannot have it both ways.

And I'm going to, since this is, you know, since I know who I'm talking to here, it's a pretty sophisticated, you know, counterpart here.

Glenn in particular understands this, I know.

Let me explain exactly how those civil rights laws and protected classes created the conditions for viewpoint discrimination.

You have two minutes.

Go ahead.

Civil rights statutes, right?

Yeah.

So Linda Johnson thought they was just prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race.

But they've now been interpreted to say that that includes hostile work environments against religious minorities.

What's one of the ways that now you can create a hostile work environment?

It's by wearing a Trump hat to work.

It's by saying the wrong thing on social media.

So ironically, the law created the conditions for viewpoint-based discrimination while leaving political viewpoints unprotected.

So you know what I say, you can't have it both ways.

If you can't fire somebody for being black or gay or Muslim or white or Jewish or whatever, you should not be able to fire somebody for being an outspoken conservative either.

We have to apply these standards even-handedly.

And if you want to get rid of protected classes altogether, great, I'll have that conversation.

But no Republican or anybody else is willing to.

And so in the meantime, I think we need to bring civil rights into the 21st century to protect political expression as a civil right.

All right.

Vivek,

I love the fact that you're running.

I support anybody who is standing up for the Constitution, standing up for the right of people, standing up against

the endless wars and the lies.

And you just are just able to run for president, are you not?

Didn't you just have a birthday?

Are you

36, 37, two years ago?

37.

Yeah, you're 37.

That would be a shocking change from what we have had traditionally since really Clinton.

And I think he was in his 40s.

I only want people above 100 years old to run for president.

Yes, yes.

I think we should go the other direction.

Sorry, Vivek.

Okay.

Vivek Ramaswamy.

We'll talk to you again.

Thank you so much.

You can find out more at Vivek,

Vi V Ek2024.com.

Vivek2024.com.

V-I-V-E-K2024.com.

All right.

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I sincerely hope that Donald Trump will take us up on our offer tomorrow to be on the program.

I think it was one of the most political, politically savvy

moves I have seen from a politician

in a very, very long time, if ever.

And that was his trip up to

Ohio yesterday and bringing stuff bought on his own dime to help the people of Ohio.

I just thought that was fantastic.

And so you know, that is what he's like.

He is that kind of guy that does amazing things for people and does it because he can,

not for a photo op.

I mean, long before he was running for president,

he reached out to you in a way you've described before as being thoughtful.

Yeah, very, very, he is.

It's weird.

He is, he is a steamrolling wrecking machine.

At the same time, he is a really thoughtful guy.

And for a long time, I didn't understand how to put those two together.

I thought one had to be fake.

It's not.

One's business and one's him.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, it's understandable why it's hard to put that together.

There's not a lot of people who are like that.

No, that makes sense.

No, they're somewhat unique.

There's not.

What did you think of Vivek?

You know, I like Vivek a lot.

It's interesting to see how you brought up a lot of those criticisms.

Some of them have come from, you know, I think a lot of surrogates for other candidates and

some conservative writers and such.

Some of them, I think, are just, I mean, he's listed on a site for the World Economic

Forum for someone who's been successful and he didn't come and speak there.

It's not, to me, a really

noteworthy criticism.

And it's interesting to see how when you announce for president, how kind of things change.

I mean, he's been on the show a bunch of times and everyone cheered him on as being this, you know, anti-woke warrior.

And the second you announce for president, there's a lot of new criticisms that come out of the woodwork.

You know, I tend to be more, like, I think his proposal

is interesting and part of me wants to cheer it on when it comes to making a political speech a civil right.

But like,

I can see David Harsani's and others' criticism on this, like how this would play out.

Because, yeah, we can all cheer on and say, hey, we don't want conservatives to be fired from Disney.

But we also know what that means on the other side too when you have at your employment some crazy socialist who uh has views that are against your company and you have to keep them employed because of this it would be a real problem okay so he's he's either

he's either hasn't thought this one through and i'm sure he has he stands i'm sure he has um or um i just disagree with him you know yeah but there's another possibility that he is so smart he knows that anytime a libertarian says, let's get rid of that, what do they say?

You mean get rid of all the protected classes?

Yeah.

They say, oh, you're a racist.

Racist, homophobes.

You're against sponges, whatever it is.

But this happened to Rand Paul back in the day.

All the time.

Yeah.

So this gives him the ability to pull holes through that

without calling for an end to that, just saying, oh, well, then we're going to balance the field.

We're going to make everything,

you know, a protected class because freedom of speech, you got to make that political freedom of speech a protected class, which they will not want to do.

Okay, well, then let's get rid of all of them because

the things that you're saying won't work because of political, you know, political games.

Well, yeah, okay, I agree with you.

Yeah.

And that's why half of the country thinks

the other protected classes don't work.

Yeah.

And, you know,

if you're a candidate like Fif Ake, you can't be a game manager.

You can't be, you know.

A gay manager?

Not a gay manager.

You can't be a game manager.

Oh, okay.

Gay manager.

Who's a gay manager?

Well, a gay manager.

Manager, welcome to my floral shop.

You should understand what a gay manager is.

It's a manager who's gay, right?

No, but I didn't understand it in this particular.

It wouldn't make sense.

Okay, well.

But you have to be a game manager.

Game manager.

It's a common term in sports, which is why

we have this problem.

So a game manager at quarterback is a guy who runs the system.

He can hit the open receiver.

He can make all the throws you need in your offense.

And he's a great guy to have if you have a great defense.

He's my homie.

No, he's absolutely.

You're talking about Patrick Mahomes.

And no, Patrick Mahomes is not a game manager.

He's also not a gay manager.

Yes, he could do all those things, but so much more.

He's one of the best quarterbacks of all time.

Right.

I would think that a gay manager would be one of those guys that would be one of the greatest of all times.

Why else would you be a gay manager?

Why would I try a sports analogy on this show?

It's my fault.

It's your fault.

I should be fired.

This is why you're not in the Hall of Fame, and I am.

Exactly.

Yes.

This is the exact example.

I want to bring it directly to the Hall of Fame for consideration.

And there you have it.

Another example of why Glenn Beck is in the radio hall of the family.

I don't know why he obsesses.

So you go into a supermarket and you ask for the manager and he's gay what's the big deal not a big deal oh my god to try to explain briefly okay a game manager yes is a guy who a quarterback who can stay within the system and do what you need to do not screw it up not lose the game for you a guy like patrick mahomes is something totally different who is

he'll give you he'll throw he'll throw a pass with a sidearm and giving you the side eye at the same time you do know a little bit about that

don't push me no No one else would state it that way.

But yes, that's exactly.

He can make a spectacular play, even when you're undermanned or maybe you're coming from a disadvantageous position.

He can make all the incredible throws and he can single-handedly hero ball you to a victory.

And in some ways, I think if you're a candidate like Vivek, who maybe a lot of people don't know, you have to make bold proposals or no one's going to notice you.

You can't come in here with like, well, I would like to cut taxes by 6%.

Like no one's going to, you have to make bold proposals.

And what, what, and this is the type of thing that Vivek wants to talk about.

So maybe making this is a little bit of an overstep as a full policy, but draws attention to his argument.

But does he have to play football?

Yes, he has to play football.

Yes.

They don't understand.

And he has to play football as a gay man.

So those two things need to occur for Vivek to rise to the business.

Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I think you might be right.

I don't know Vivek

real well, but we've gotten to know each other over the last year.

And

I do think he's

a man of action.

He's a guy who doesn't say things just to say things.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I mean?

So he's not.

So I can see you.

I agree that that might be part of his thinking.

But if he's doing that, there is strategy behind it to be able to move that forward.

And look, I think this is where the party is right now.

You know, the praise for Donald Trump, for Ron DeSantis, for what Vivek is doing here, a lot of it surrounds taking issues that in the past 20 years have been looked at as issues you don't want to apply centralized government power to.

And that is the right at this moment is looking for people who will selectively apply centralized government power to problems that really piss them off.

That's where the party is, it's where the movement is right now.

I don't like it a lot of the times, but that is where it is.

And I think a lot of the candidates that are going to jump into this race and have success are going to be the ones that do recognize that that's where voters are right now.

Well, can we survive, though, as a party, as a nation,

as a people, if we don't see nuance?

For instance,

he's a biotech guy.

Great.

Is he a

public-private partnership biotech guy?

Is he a guy who says, hey, waive all the rules for me because I'm in bed with the government?

That's different.

What we have,

you know, I have problems, real problems with the drug companies right now.

But almost all of it stems from being in bed with the federal government.

If you're not in bed with the federal government and the government is an honest broker, which ain't happening, then

go ahead.

Do your drugs.

Make your drugs.

Let's make sure we hold you responsible if they're killing people.

You know what I mean?

But you should...

We should be celebrating tech.

We should be celebrating new ideas and opportunities.

But we're getting to a place to where

we see things, we go, mmm, pharmaceutical bad.

Yeah.

Look, I think this is really bad.

And I think, you know,

we can't become the party of anti-medicine.

That's not a good direction to go.

And I would point out that while many people have problems with the biotech industry and the insurance industry and, you know, the vaccines and vaccine.

The medicals and the doctors and the nursing schools and all this stuff that's being jammed now.

Yeah,

it has to be on a case-by-case basis.

I mean, I would point out that both ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine came from big pharmaceutical companies.

Yeah, right.

You know, this shouldn't be just a battle against medicine generally.

No, it has to look at these things individually.

It has to be public-private partnerships and wokeness.

Yeah.

It's got to be things that actually cancel science.

That actually say, this is more important than what the data says.

This is more important than, you know, a test run or, you know, the failures.

We've got to lie about this or cut this corner because, because, because

wokeness.

That's really what our fight should be about on all of this.

Look, I don't mind if when, you know, companies were saying, hey, we're going to have a fund that is for environmentalists.

It's great.

Good.

Go for it.

If that's the way you want to invest your money, perfect.

But don't force everyone to do it.

That's the real problem.

It's not that that we have

different tastes or different choices ahead of us.

It's the government picking winners and losers and forcing us, usually, into a loser.

Yeah.

And I think they're, look, we're going to get a pretty big field, I think, of candidates by the time this is over.

I don't necessarily think that's a great thing.

I don't want another 18.

I know, and I'm worried we're going to, we're going to...

We're going to climb.

I think we're going to.

I'd love to have five, six.

Yeah, that would be interesting.

You know, six and six different flavors, right?

Six different approaches, not a bunch of people who are doing it the exact same way.

So far, I think the first three have different approaches, and that's that's interesting.

You're certainly going to, I think, see DeSantis

in as well eventually.

You're probably going to see Tim Scott in.

These are all pretty serious people that have different approaches.

That's good.

You'll probably get someone from the

left, moderate, anti-Trump type of vibe, Larry Hogan, somebody like that, maybe Liz Cheney, someone in that realm.

Oh, I think Liz Cheney will do it.

She's, I don't know.

She's not even a Republican.

She's not even registered Republican anymore.

She's mad.

Well, yeah.

But

somebody from that realm is probably going to step in and not make any real.

If they don't, they'll raise money and it'll be a huge pack against him.

Yeah.

Which is even more nefarious.

And also more likely.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that's more likely.

More nefarious.

Thank you so much.

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