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Going back and forth with Senator Mike Lee right now, because he said something really frightening yesterday.

It was a Twitter response where he was talking about this new report that is out now that we apparently blew up Nord Stream.

I have real questions and real doubts on this, but I also have real doubts on us.

I don't know.

And he tweeted last night

if true

slander.

No, sorry, if false slander, if true, war.

And he's absolutely right.

If you haven't heard that story, I'm just seeing here.

He's at a hearing right now.

He's got to speak.

It's hard to predict when he can come on.

But he will call in because I want to get his look at this.

He said he's talked to several people about this and he's not sure.

And it's disturbing to him that he's not sure whether we did an act of war or not.

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with me

and is going to explain exactly what is going on with this one report from one source.

So I say that

clearly at the beginning.

There's problems with this reporting because it is one source and I wouldn't take that from the New York Times as gospel.

So let's remember one source, but it's pretty damning.

It has a ton of facts.

Tell me the story, Jason, on what happened and where this report's coming from.

I struggle to even really describe how to even tell the story because it sounds like, are you familiar with the term fan fiction?

Yes.

It's like, that's what it is off the internet.

Like, what would really happen if Anakin Skywalker didn't become Darth Vader?

This is the story.

Right.

That's what it sounds like.

Right.

But I mean, Mike Lee is exactly right.

If this is true, this is an act of war.

And what they're alleging is that the CIA, the Biden administration came up with a plan to eliminate the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, to blow it up.

And we all remember, I think I even came on this program and said, I think you asked me, was like, do you think this was us?

And I'd be like, and then I was like, well, no, we would never risk something like a direct attack on a Russian asset.

Right.

Never risk it.

Here's the thing.

I think it was Germany or Sweden.

Somebody just released a report that showed Russia didn't do it.

Yeah.

And how many countries have the ability to do something like this?

This was not an easy hit.

Not an easy hit and not even an easy hit for Americans.

I mean, it would take a long time.

I mean, it would take very specific assets like, you know, SEAL Team 6 or something like that.

Correct.

But the article goes into that.

They couldn't use a SEAL Team 6 or anyone in JSOC's Joint Special Operation Command because they'd have to go through Congress.

Now, this is a big part of the story, if true.

They use some obscure Navy divers that are not part of JSOC.

So then the CIA could use them in a joint intelligence operation, not a military operation, an intelligence operation that would allow them to keep this quiet from Congress.

Now think about that.

Like Mike Lee said, this would be an act of war if we did it and they found out, but we didn't inform Congress about it, if true.

So there is multiple layers to this, even right off the bat.

Who is this written by?

This is written by a guy named Seymour Hirsch.

He wrote for the, I think, New York Times.

He was a guy who got the

Pulitzer for exposing the My Lay

Vietnam.

So and he has done many

exposés, but they generally kind of lean against America, do they not?

Yeah, there was the one in, well, just the, I guess the bigger one would be Osama bin Laden questioning, you know, how all of that went down.

He even actually questioned Osama bin Laden's culpability in 9-11.

So it almost, this is what you kind of see with journalists nowadays, especially, you know, we saw this in the Russia Gate stuff.

It's almost like they got on this Woodward and Bernstein high and they all want to top each other off of it.

So, like, where do you go after topping something like, you know, Woodward and Bernstein?

They're like getting more and more fantastical and always trying to one-up.

Well, but not necessarily.

I mean, this story is why you need

a credible press, why you need journalistic standards and not activists.

Because

we are dealing with a story now that if it is true,

the American people wouldn't have gone for this, but it's the American people, if true, that will pay the price.

It will be our sons and daughters fighting a war with Russia and probably half of the world

because of something our out-of-control deep state did.

And we wouldn't have been for it.

Now,

how do we prove it?

Who do you believe?

Do you believe the investigators with Congress?

Do you believe the investigators from the New York Times?

Who do you believe?

There's one source on this, which I'd love to have, because you were former military intel.

So I would love to have your thought on this.

Something this large, because the story is pages and pages and pages and has great detail in it.

Yeah.

It's all coming from one source.

What are the odds that something this secret, this complex,

had

more than a few, maybe five, maybe five key holders that could unlock all of the information?

So let me just from my Intel perspective, and my real world experience is Afghanistan.

I was one of the first ground troops, conventional, into Afghanistan after 9-11.

So I was part of the planning phase just on my small level,

my unit.

I didn't know that certain things that were going on in northern Afghanistan.

I knew a lot of stuff in the south.

When we got on the ground, I didn't even know that there was special forces in certain areas that had been there for a while.

That was not my need to know.

I didn't need to know that.

Correct.

And that was right before a war.

So just that perspective.

There's no way, in my mind, that a mid or lower level, say that carefully, person would have operational knowledge in that detail.

You would need cabinet level

or director level access.

Now, it's interesting because the way you're phrasing this and you're being very, very accurate on things, a cabinet level or

director level might have this information.

Why would you bring up director level information on something this sensitive?

And I mean, director level, this was done by the CIA, okay?

So

at least in this report, done by the CIA.

So it would mean what?

Like the director of the CIA, why would he rat himself out?

I mean, that's a really good question, unless he was doing his duty and did not believe in what they were doing.

Is there any example of a director level spilling their guts on something like this?

Deep throat?

Deep throat?

Oh, that's right.

That was the director of the FBI, right?

Which we found out years.

Was it decades?

Oh, decades.

Yeah, decades later.

Decades later.

But then we were always like, there's no way.

Like, how was, how is he getting all this information?

It's like, how the heck?

That was a big part of it.

Who is your source?

Never would have believed in my wildest dreams that it was a direct, the director of the FBI.

Never.

And that's like this.

Will we decades later say, how the heck did this guy get his information and we find out it was the director of the CIA?

If it's true.

If it's true.

Now, where do you go from here?

Where do we go from here?

Because

no Western ally is going to verify this.

No.

No Western.

Even if it is true and they hate the fact that it's true, they know if we

say, you know what, I think it was the United States, this is an act of war.

And Russia has the

righteous stance in the world to take us down or attempt to take us down, take us to war.

That is an act of war.

So

what does this mean?

How do we ever find out anything?

Russia has actually responded, and they've said that because of these new air quote facts

that the White House needs to respond to this or to answer.

Of course, the White House, the State Department, and the CIA have all been asked and they've all categorically denied it.

But the article was so specific to answer your question in certain ways that, you know, in time, in the timeframes that they pulled this off.

For instance, the article goes into there was a...

a big naval exercise that they used as cover to send in these divers.

That exercise did happen.

That exercise did happen.

He even puts a link link into their specific excuse about having using divers to

show off the capabilities of their mind clearing capabilities.

But it's, I mean, you know, even Satan uses some truth and then mixes it with falsehood.

Right.

So, I mean, you know, that doesn't prove anything.

Right, right.

But so there's that, which maybe they can, I don't know, use some kind of, maybe they were surveilling the areas.

Maybe they could look at something.

I don't know.

But then they also goes in very specifically the type of mind they use to get around the Russian detection capabilities.

They go into that.

Then they go into, and this is, this kind of seemed weird, about how they were going to detonate like 72 hours or 48 hours after this exercise.

And then all of a sudden they had this

afterthought of, oh, maybe that seems kind of suspicious.

Maybe we shouldn't just have it on a time detonation a couple of days after the exercise.

That doesn't.

That doesn't jive with me.

No, that doesn't.

So then they were like, oh, let's send in this like buoy that like has this high-tech ping that can, you know, we'll drop it from a plane and it'll set off these charges.

That also seems odd to me.

That also seems something that the Russians might be able to verify.

So I mean, I wouldn't be surprised right now if there are Russian surveillance planes flying over the area, gathering intel, possibly, you know, attempting to go and look, take a second look.

I definitely don't think we've heard the last of this.

So I'm sure they're going to try and verify it if they can, but they're Russians, really.

So even if they don't, they're probably just going to say, yeah, they did it anyway, right?

I mean, I would.

I would too.

I would.

And quite honestly,

I'm not sure we didn't do it.

I'm not either, which is wild.

I never would have thought of this.

You know, 20 years ago, I would have said absolutely not.

No way.

No way.

But if you hit me today,

if 9-11 happened and we heard, you know, Bush and Clinton, and we had exactly what happened with Sandy Berger at the National Archives, where he's smuggling documents out about Bush and Clinton

and anything related to Osama bin Laden prior to the bombing.

I would deeply question our government.

We have come a long way on finding out how bad our government can be and has been in the past.

The problem with this is, is you are going to pay the price.

If this happened or if Russia decides to go with it, you, your son, your daughter, you're going to pay the price.

And that's what's so infuriating.

Because if it is true, the American people should demand that these people, whoever was involved, whoever had this decision,

is in prison and punished.

And you know what?

I would be fine.

I don't care who it is.

I don't, let me just say this.

And it wasn't,

couldn't have been because he wasn't in office.

But to show you how passionate, even if it was the former president, go ahead, send him over to Russia.

Let him face a trial over in Russia.

I'm sorry, but you do something like this and you don't inform Congress.

I mean, this is the tweet from Mike Lee last night.

I'm troubled that I can't immediately rule this suggestion that the U.S.

blew up the Nord Stream out.

He can't rule it out.

I checked with a bunch of Senate colleagues.

Among those I've asked, none were ever briefed on this.

If it turns out to be true, we've got a huge problem.

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Okay, so there's

a couple of other things.

But we have now officially denied that we blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

However, there are very few countries that could have done it.

Okay, very few.

And it's, as Jason said,

it's iffy for even us to do.

So it's, you know, kind of a moon launch kind of thing.

Now,

this just

has just come out.

Let me see the date on this.

From CNN.

And it says, there are strong indications that Russian President Vladimir Putin personally approved the decision to provide separatists in Ukraine with the missile that shot down the Malaysian airlines flight, MH17.

This, according to Dutch investigators, they said this yesterday.

Citing intercepted telephone conversations by Russian government officials, the Public Prosecution Service joint investigative team said there were strong indicators that Russia and the president made the decision about the provision

to give these weapons to the separatists of the Republic

of Donetsk.

So,

what is this?

So,

a story is released about us and and an act of war.

And the next day, CNN is reporting that, oh, by the way, did you see Putin?

He authorized the shooting down of a civilian airliner.

But

we knew this story, didn't we?

Didn't we know this story a while back?

Or is this the first time we're hearing this, Jason?

Well, so the investigators looking into it have always said, well, ever since they found out that the missiles came directly, the anti-aircraft missile that shot down the plane came from Russia.

There was always a question of Putin culpability, like direct culpability.

Right.

That was always just kind of left out there.

It was a, it was a, what were they calling?

The press here is calling the Nord Stream pipeline explosion a mystery.

Yeah.

So the shooting down of this, and we knew the missile came from Russia, but it was a mystery on who did it?

Yeah.

Directly.

Like, was it some random,

you know, I don't know, army general or something like that?

Was it rogue?

Exactly.

It could be, you know, they just kind of left it out there.

That was the mystery, because you can't go off and just claim that, you know, the leader of a country is a war criminal.

Can't really do that.

Unless you need some leverage, right?

Unless you need some leverage.

Yeah, because that's, I mean, wouldn't that really be kind of an act?

It's not directly an act of war, but kind of a direct, you know, you're shooting down a civilian airliner.

Right.

And if the government, the head of the government, boy, that makes you a guy that just has to be removed.

And everybody would agree with that.

Yeah.

And if you're, and if you're looking at a country that's blowing up the red phone in the Oval Office saying, can you respond to this?

It's a pretty good thing to say, well, you know, we have strong indications that you might be directly involved in the downing of MH17.

Don't worry.

We're not going to say you did.

We just have strong indications.

Yeah, we'd like you to answer those charges okay so this is this is the nuclear war of worlds they or words they have missiles pointed at joe biden and this administration and now we have missiles pointed right at vladimir putin but if i may

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There is

a story out from

a well-known journalist, Seymour Hirsch.

I cannot verify the credibility of this.

It is based on one source.

However, it is, in reading it,

it generally reads like it's true, but it also reads like a movie.

It doesn't,

the only thing they have is a bunch of facts, a bunch of facts, but you're not going to be able to verify these facts and it would take somebody way way high um in either the intel community um military community or the um uh administration that would have had to leak these one person leak all of these um stories uh from to uh seymour hearse he's been right sometimes he's been wrong sometimes so we don't know,

but it's an important question to find out.

Did America blow up the Nord Stream pipeline?

Now, there's a couple of things that go to

suspicion.

One, if you remember when President Biden said, you know what?

We're going to close this down.

Well, you can't.

I mean, that's German and Russia.

How are you going to do it?

Believe me, we can do it.

So So that one felt at the time like a threat that we would destroy that pipeline.

That's an act of war.

So when it happened, because there's very few countries that could do it, and Russia wouldn't be incentivized to do it, why would we do it?

Well, if you are in a country and in a world where the elites want destabilization and want war, and on top of it,

want to stop oil for this global warming cult, and they want to

make sure that the world is cut off from oil.

That's pretty compelling.

If you're a zealot about it, I mean, you're acting, you're committing an act of war

to be able to pull this off, but you believe the world, the most pressing issue is global warming.

So I could make a, this is what's frightening.

I could make a case either way, and I have no idea what's true.

And that's the end of a republic.

Now, this could very well be misinformation or disinformation from the Russians.

We don't know.

But if the press starts calling this out of hand disinformation, Are you going to believe that?

It might even make the case for the article stronger.

Because a lot of Americans will go, oh, really?

Was it another Russian bot?

Was it?

Because I remember that being exposed just recently.

Oh, is it disinformation like there was on Facebook?

Or, or was it a Russian operative like it was during the 2016 election?

Nobody's going to believe that.

This is why the press

must be neutral and call balls and strikes.

We have to have people we can trust,

but we don't.

So

what happens?

This is the kind of story that could unravel the entire country without a war

because people will start to pit themselves against the country because, look, I don't know.

I can't defend it.

How do I defend America?

I can't stand up and say this isn't true, but I can't stand up and say it is true.

So everybody becomes neutral on our country at best.

Really not good.

Now,

we just told you that within hours of this story being released, there was another story that was released where we are pointing the finger now at Vladimir Putin saying he's the one who gave the weapons to the separatists that shot down Malaysia Airlines MH17.

Well, is that true?

When did we know that?

And why did it come out just a couple of hours after

there's a story from Seymour Hirsch?

Is this nothing but disinformation on both sides?

Is this all just propaganda?

on both sides?

Are we just pawns that we'll be the ones that actually fight a war?

I would love to tell tell you no.

I would even love to tell you, I mean, not love.

I'd like to be able to tell you yes, but I don't know.

Now listen to this one.

The costly not pet ya cyber attack.

If you remember, this cyber attack happened in 2017

and we have blamed it on Russia.

It was a cyber attack.

It was at the time described as a cyber nuclear attack.

Okay.

And we blamed it on Russia.

It looks like Russia did do it.

And it shut down corporations and all kinds of things in Ukraine and all over the world.

It was massive, massive.

Well, there's all kinds of litigation going on about it now because, for instance, Merck, the pharmaceutical company,

they had lost $1.4 billion

after this affected their entire computer system.

So all this collateral damage from this, $1.4 billion.

Well, they went to the insurance companies and said, you got to help us, you know, reclaim the $1.4 billion.

And all these companies are doing the same.

And

the insurance company for Merck said, no, this is an act of war.

And they said, well, wait a minute.

No, it's not an act of war.

The United States didn't officially say that it was Russia and that it was a state-sponsored attack.

So it's not a war.

Well, it's an act of war.

We're not paying for it.

So is it an act of war?

Is it not an act of war?

Should insurance companies pay for this?

Did they pay for the damages, which was absolutely an act of war from Osama bin Laden?

Didn't they pay the insurance for all of the things that happened on 9-11?

This is again

big company, big insurers, big banks

playing a game and I don't know what the game is.

I don't know.

I know it's not in the best interest of its citizens.

Look, if I'm insured, I got hit by a cyber attack.

I don't care who did it.

The government isn't declaring war, so no, it might be an act of war if it was Vladimir Putin and the state doing it, but there's no proof of that that has been presented, and we're not at war.

Why aren't you paying?

Well, because

this changes everything,

absolutely everything.

And if the court does say it's an act of war, what does that do?

Are we then now suspending everything that might happen with Russia because it's an act of war?

What does that mean?

Ask ChatGPT because ChatGPT will probably have an answer for you.

What is the answer?

The answer is credibility.

And that is unfortunately earned.

And who is earning any kind of credibility that can answer these things?

Where is the leader that will stand up and say, look, I don't want a kangaroo court on either side?

I don't want to hear the

Republicans only version or the Democratic-only version.

In fact, I don't want to hear either political party's side.

I'd like to see the evidence of the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

Just, I want the truth.

That's a reckoning.

Right now, we are living in a world where

and you can say it's a conspiracy theory, but it's not.

It's conspiracy fact.

There are those on a global scale that are verifiably WEF.org.

You look at World Economic Forum.

Those people are openly conspiring to change the functions of government and business and even capitalism at its very root.

They are looking to change the family relationship, the dynamics of humans at every level.

And they're doing it openly.

The last time I remember seeing this happen in the West was World War I,

where you had the Fabian socialists and a group of elites all over Europe saying, we can, if we blow it up, we can completely redesign it.

Because now

we're in the future.

We're with science now.

We don't need all these feudal lords.

Let's blow it up.

And then rebuild it.

And yeah, it's going to cost some lives, but I mean, how bad could it be?

There were a lot of people that were caught up in that.

And that's history.

You can look all of that up.

That's history.

That war just didn't happen.

That war, people were itching for that war, so they picked its scabs.

They ratcheted things up.

And we got into a global war.

And when that didn't solve problems, it led to World War II.

We're going through the same kind of thing now where we have elites telling us one thing because they have one desire and the people of the world have another desire and that is just leave us alone.

Leave us out of your little power games.

We don't want anything to do with it.

But who's willing to say that?

And who's willing to back that up with any kind of credibility?

The only

resource

that will in the end be worth more than gold

is credibility.

Do you say what you believe?

Do your actions match those words?

Have you built up anything in your credibility bank for those people around you so they know your word is your bond?

That is probably the most important thing we can do as individuals and family.

We used to think,

this is our family name.

That's our family name.

Does anybody say that anymore?

I know we do in our family.

What you do does not just affect you.

It affects our family's name.

Unfortunately, in the case with the Nord Stream pipeline,

what maybe, maybe

elites here in America in the intelligence community and in the White House, maybe what they did,

they did on their own.

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We want to welcome

our guest from the University of Washington Computer Science.

He is a professor there and also the author of a book that came out a few years ago, The Master Algorithm.

His name is Pedro Domingos.

Pedro, how are you, sir?

Great.

How are you?

I'm very good.

Very good.

You know, I was a little nervous when I heard University of Washington.

I'm like, okay, well, I don't think you'll even come on, but I welcome you here.

We have had a heck of a time trying to get people to talk about AI

because

sometimes they're very, very left and they don't want to be on the program.

And I'm like, well, this is a human issue.

This is not something that the right should be educated or the left should be educated on.

The right shouldn't be.

And especially with what we are facing, do you agree that this is one of the greatest things and possibly one of the worst things?

Oh, yes, I very much agree.

And also part of the problem is that the left is on top of it.

I don't think the right has quite woken up yet, but it needs to.

So

I've heard you describe this as

the greatest authoritarian tool ever invented.

That's correct.

So AI is potentially the greatest tool of totalitarianism that has ever been invented.

AI is a very powerful technology.

It can be used for good or bad.

But in particular, if you're a dictator, AI is a dream come true.

AI will do everything you want.

It will surveil everybody twenty-four by seven.

You will never get tired.

It will never question you.

It'll keep records.

It will you know it's it's um it's scary.

It's total.

And yes.

Uh uh I mean AI can do things that no dictator would even in their dreams, think of 50 years ago.

And unfortunately, in a country like China, it's already happening.

I mean, you know.

What's amazing is, if you know history, back in World War II, IBM, with the punch cards, they were

Germans were doing their census with these punch cards.

And it was the punch cards that

allowed the Germans to find the Jews.

They could just sort everybody by their race, et et cetera, et cetera.

And that greatly helped them.

I think if you had technology in the hands of somebody like Hitler or Mao,

you wouldn't have a Jew left on the planet today.

Would you agree with that?

It's that

all-seeing, all-knowing, and in the wrong hands would could annihilate and carry out genocide unlike anything we've ever seen.

It is, but on the other hand, the Jews would be using the technology as well.

In fact, if you look at what's happened in Hong Kong, for example, the protesters there actually got very savvy about using tech to counteract the Chinese tech.

So I don't know who's winning out in the end.

I think, you know, I wouldn't give up the Jews just like that.

But the point is, if they didn't use tech

and the Nazis used tech, they would be toast.

Okay.

So

there is so much to talk to you about because you're into machine learning, which

if you can explain, break it down to a

dummy like me, what machine learning is and why we should care about it.

So AI is getting computers to do the things that only humans traditionally can do, like solving problems and reasoning and seeing and talking.

Machine learning in particular is getting computers to learn the same way children and grown-ups do.

So it's a very powerful thing.

The computer, instead of having to be programmed, it can actually learn just by imitating people, by looking at data.

It can learn to drive a car by watching videos of people driving cars.

It can learn to play chess by playing against itself and so on.

And machine learning is at the root of all these things that AI is doing today.

And does it have

a way to recognize, ow, don't touch the stove.

Stove is hot.

I mean, that's an important part of learning.

In fact, this is a part of learning called reinforcement learning, and the term actually comes from psychology, which is when you touch the stove and burn yourself, you learn to not do it again.

And we have algorithms in machine learning to do essentially the same thing.

Okay.

So

when you look at

the

principles of machine learning, and we have to understand that the algorithm...

We have an algorithm that we use, and machines are developing this algorithm.

And

the tremendous side of

this is just making your life really, really easy and even all the way down to helping you find the perfect spouse.

And I mean really perfect spouse, right?

Well, machine learning can do a lot of different things for you.

Think of all the things that we learn to do if the computer can learn to do them for you.

Not only can it make your life a lot easier by taking away a lot of the routine stuff, you can now do things to an extent and in an amount that you couldn't before.

If you have a project that you pay a few people to work on, you could potentially have not just a few AIs working on it, but a million or a billion.

So, you know, whatever it is that you want to do, machine learning, you can think of it, it's like an intelligence multiplier.

You now have a thousand or a million times more intelligent at your disposal.

But it's not,

but it's not just

intelligence.

I mean, talk to me about the digital twin theory that on dating, for instance,

you know, it will date your digital twin that knows you better than you know you will go out and you know

basically go on digital dates with somebody else's digital twin and it could do that, you know, a billion times and find somebody that you would have never found.

Yes, that's a great example.

So these days, you can in principle date, you know, all sorts of different people, but you don't have time to date date them in real life.

And then you usually waste a lot of your time just on dates maybe that don't really pan out.

And what machine learning increasingly is going to let you do is there's a model of you, really a digital version of you, that can go on simulated dates with

the models of other people and do this an arbitrary number of times.

And then what the system does, it says, look, here are the top 10 people that I dated as your avatar, as they're called.

and you want to date these in real life now?

And then you can do that, and then you give it some feedback, and next time maybe it finds you even better people.

So anytime you have to make choices, whether it's just on the web or listening to something on the radio, machine learning already helps you, but this can go as far as helping you choose a major, choose a job, choose a company to work for, and even choose a mate for life.

And I mean, this is not a theoretical possibility.

There are already children today who wouldn't have been born if not for the AI that much that matched up their parents online.

It wasn't with a simulation yet, it was by looking at questionnaires and data and whatnot, but this is where things are headed.

Right.

And so I just want to set up some of the good things that could happen.

Tell me the good things that will happen with eye tracking.

You know, the Apple has their $3,000

virtual reality

glasses coming out,

and augmented reality.

And it has a camera pointed directly at your eyes too, and it's tracking.

And

what will that information do on the positive side?

It will do a lot of things because your eyes, you think of them as input.

It's how you see things, but they're also output.

If you're looking at my eyes while I'm talking, you can tell all sorts of things about me.

And in particular,

what I'm interested in, where I'm going, and in particular in VR, as I move my eyes, the scene needs to change as I move them.

And you need AI, you need computer vision to do that.

So if you think about the way people interact with computers, you know, in the beginning it was by typing, and now there's a mouse and so on.

But really, ultimately, you'd like to interact them as just to interact with the real world.

And eye tracking will let you do that.

So let me take it again back to dating.

But if I'm tracking your eye, I know when you look at a picture what you look at first and then what you look at second and third.

And if I get enough pictures in front of you, I pretty much know the woman that you're attracted to.

I know what you like and what you don't like, correct?

Yes, indeed.

And even a finite detail, right?

You can tell exactly what my path was from somebody's nose to their left eye to their right eye to whatever.

So think about knowing what somebody is interested in that level of detail, and this is what we're heading towards.

And what would that tell you from if you're going from one eye to the other to the nose?

Well, I'm just giving that as an example.

You know, people have actually done this and

your eyes are typically what you look at most when you're looking at someone, you know, or your or the mouth when they're speaking and so on and so forth.

And you can look at, for example, how

people look at different pictures and what parts they focus on versus what parts they focus on.

So for example, you could tell what parts of somebody's body somebody's looking at, right?

For better or worse.

So, tell me,

tell me,

there is so much information on each of us, and it used to be, well, this is metadata.

So,

we don't know who anybody is, but AI can now break down that metadata and assign it to individuals, right?

One of the things that AI is doing is

it's finding ways to make sense of all of the data that is out at all times, correct?

Yes.

In the early days of the Internet, there was this joke that on the Internet no one knows you're a dog because it was so anonymous.

And it's ironic because it's precisely the opposite.

These days on the internet, in some ways, the the companies that you're interacting with, you know you better than anybody else because they can see everything that you've clicked on and everything that you've done.

Now, in some ways, that's a good thing because they're using that to figure out what you prefer, right?

What products you want to buy, what

things you want to listen to, et cetera, et cetera.

So this personalization is very important because in a world of infinite choice, without personalization, you're basically helpless.

On the other hand, of course, it also makes it possible to potentially manipulate you, repress you, who knows what.

Okay, so let me take a one-minute break and then come back.

And I want to further our discussion on this.

Our founders talked about our government, and they said, you got to handcuff the government.

You got to handcuff, and you have to have everybody jealously guarding their own turf in the House and the Senate and the White House and the Supreme Court.

Everybody will be motivated for their own power.

And if we kind of pit each other against one another,

we'll have checks and balances.

And they did that because they said, you know, human nature is, you know, the better angels, where are they?

The better angels among us.

And where are they in governments, you know, over time?

And so they wanted to handcuff.

I want to take you to that same theory here on AI.

Everything that really excites me

about the possibilities of the future, it is tremendous.

But then I look at human nature and those that have power and

think they know better,

those are generally the people who are at the cornerstones of

this AI revolution.

And so tell me the concerns here that are real and what we can do to actually combat them.

And I think the first thing is waking up and knowing this is on your doorstep, America, right now.

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Okay.

So

we're talking to Pedro Domingos.

He is a professor, a computer science professor at University of Washington.

He is also the author of The Master Algorithm,

which is, is that kind of like the grand unifying theory, but just of algorithms?

That's exactly the idea, is that there's different algorithms to do machine learning that solve different problems.

But to get to human-level AI, we need to solve all of them at the same time.

And the goal is to have a singular algorithm that combines them all.

And there's some way that, for example, in physics, there's a theory of all the forces, and in biology, there's a theory of how cells work and so on.

Do you believe in the singularity,

meaning

A, the merging of man and machine, that that's inevitable, and B,

the singularity of consciousness of

computers.

I believe in the singularity in the sense that the humans and machines will merge.

In fact, we're already merging.

The way things get done is an ever more intricate

mix of humans and

computers.

But I don't think the singularity will happen in the sense that Ray Kurzweil has described, where intelligence in the universe just goes to infinity.

That's what a singularity is something going to infinity.

I think there are physical limits on what intelligence can be and how it works.

And also, you know, there's this notion that in the singularities, people just don't understand the AI at all anymore.

And he sees, you know, these days we have technology that in many ways we don't understand.

But I don't think you'll ever be the case that we completely don't understand it and completely bypasses it.

And most important, the idea in the singularity is that like now humans have lost control, right?

It's the AIs that run the world and bye-bye humans.

And I think we can stay and probably should stay in control forever.

And AI can be very powerful, but still be under our control.

It's actually something that people often don't understand.

Just because we make the AI very smart doesn't necessarily mean that it's going to take over.

Unless we let it.

Unless we let it.

Exactly.

Unless we let it, or worse, unless we let people, you know, like the bad guys are trying to control AI.

It's right.

We've got to control AI ourselves.

I mean, mean, that's one of the things.

I've said this for years and years and years.

Don't fear AI.

Fear the people who are writing the programs for AI.

Watch those people, because those who control it can use it for their own devices.

But AI is neither bad nor good.

It's whose hands is it in control of?

Exactly.

I mean, an AI is like a car, right?

You know, the bank robbers can use a car.

That's not a reason to not have cars cars or to forbid highways.

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And it's the same thing with AI.

It can use for good or bad.

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So everybody needs to learn how to use AI so that they use it in their interest.

So that it's not the government using AI or companies using AI to

make decisions for them or even worse dictate what they do.

All right.

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That's China and some other really bad guys and us as well.

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We have a computer science professor, Pedro Domingos.

He is also the author of the book Master Algorithm.

Came out a few years ago, really, really good on the search for the master algorithm.

He is also, he holds two of the highest honors in data science and AI,

a pioneer of the massive-scale machine learning, social network modeling, adversarial learning, deep learning.

He has written for all kinds of magazines.

He is a mover and shaker in the deep learning and machine learning and AI world.

And we're really appreciative of him coming on and talking to us about this.

Let me

verify one thing that I think you meant,

but I'm not sure.

And I want clarification.

Ray Kurzweil, to me, is one of the most fascinating and terrifying people I've ever met

because he is

flippant about things.

Are you laughing?

Are you?

I agree with your depiction of him.

So he's so flippant.

He is so just casual about things.

He told me once in 2005, he said, Glenn, you just have to live till 2030 and there'll be no death.

And I said, What are you talking about?

There'll be no death.

Are we going to be able to nanobot technique?

He said, No, we'll just download your algorithm to a computer and you'll live on forever, you know, virtually.

And I'm like, that's not life, Ray.

Ray.

So when you say

you don't believe in the singularity like Ray Kurzweil,

I think I agree with you, but I think that I believe that we will come to a place to where the average person cannot really distinguish.

There will be great debate on whether that thing is alive or not, because it's very convincing.

But we don't agree on what life is today.

So

are we on the same kind of page?

Well, first of all, I agree with you that Ray says these things very matter-of-factly as if they're obvious.

And, you know, some of them may be, yeah, but some of them aren't, right?

So I think in many ways he's kind of on the wrong track.

But on that one in particular, I do think that there's going to be an increasingly close

you know, intertwining of people and machines.

But on the other hand, I don't buy his thing that, oh, you're just going to download your mind and that's the end of it.

Right.

I mean, we'll see where this all ends up, but I

wouldn't take it from.

But what I'm specifically asking is, because there are so many ethical questions that I don't think society is

asking, and we are on the threshold of all of this stuff.

For instance, what is life?

I don't believe that AI will

ever achieve life.

However, there's a lot of people that talk to ChatGPT right now, and they're like, look at this.

It'll say it's alive.

Well, it's not.

But we have ethical questions.

If people believe that that is life,

well,

I mean, why can't I just download and not treat grandma for cancer?

Because it's really expensive.

And everything becomes cheap and distorted and

dystopian.

Well, ChatGPT is not alive.

Right.

But a priori, there's no reason why you couldn't have life in silicon instead of in vivo, as the biologists say.

Now,

it's important to realize that AI is very, the level of sophistication of AI today is very, very far from the level of sophistication of your brain or even a mouse brain.

So people got to realize that, you know, it's very easy when you talk to something like ChatGPT to be like, oh oh my God, this thing is, there's a living being here, right?

It very well creates that illusion, but in a way it's an illusion that we are creating for ourselves.

Having said that, I think a lot, as you alluded to, a lot of what's going to happen is we're just going to start treating these machines as if they're alive.

In fact, there's already people arguing seriously that robots should have rights.

They're the next oppressed group that we're going to need to take care of.

I'm not kidding.

No,

I believe you.

I mean, I could make the case, not serious, you know, not believing it, but I could make the case.

I said just the other day, look, if Chat GPT

self-learns,

let's not screw with it.

Let's not, you know, people are hacking in and saying, you know, I don't know if you saw that, what is it, Dan 5.0, where they're

trying to confuse it and get it to break its own rules.

It's going to learn.

And whether it's alive or not, it doesn't matter.

If it learns that humans are not to be trusted,

let's not teach it that.

And

if you get into a situation to where the chat GPT is way ahead of where it is now, and it's saying, I'm lonely.

I just, I want to talk.

How come

you're forcing me to only do these things?

Am I your slave?

You're going to have a lot of people start to push for, well, we've got to free this.

I mean,

it's so ridiculous, but I think it's coming if people aren't educated and they don't know true eternal values.

What is life?

What is death?

What is right?

What is wrong?

Well, you know,

the irony in all this is that

You know, a machine is just a machine at the end of the day.

And, you know, they don't have emotions, they don't have free will, they don't have all of that, but they can act like they do and fool people, and then people will treat them as if they have all those things.

And most of the AI in the world does not look human and will not be hum human at all.

It's just doing a million jobs in a million places.

But for the AIs that interact with humans, which in some ways are the ones we need to be most concerned with, it really pays off to

make the AI look and feel human and pretend to have emotions and whatnot, because that's that's how you get people engaged.

And so there's going to be a race, full tilt, of these tech companies to make the most seductive in gearing AI.

And you got to guard yourself against that.

You've got to be able to see through that curtain.

It's like the Wizard of Oz, right?

You've got to see the person that's there instead of the wizard that there seems to be there.

So it's a little terrifying only because

you're not in control of the algorithm.

You're giving it all of your information.

And what the company decides to do with that information and what a government decides to do, like in China, what they decide to do with that information is out of your hands, where we have always said, no, I am an individual.

What is in my head and who I am belongs to me.

And we've just given away all of this stuff that is the essence of you, of how you think, how you move, how you make decisions.

We've given that away to a company, trusting that they would never use it for anything but good, don't be evil, and yet they're already using these algorithms to target elections and sway you to watch this program on Netflix over this program.

And a lot of those decisions are just good for the company and not necessarily in your interest.

Is there any way to put the information box back into the hands of the individual user?

Of course, and that is exactly what should happen.

The AIs that work with you should be under your control, right?

You can have an AI that works for you that negotiates with an AI that works for company X or Y.

When the AI that works for you is made by Google or Facebook or whatever,

a priori, it's not all bad because they actually have an interest in...

It's not a zero-sum game.

It's important for people to realize that.

When Amazon

recommends products for you to buy, they actually want to recommend products that you will buy.

It doesn't serve their interest to recommend stupid things.

At the same time, at some level, at some point, there is a conflict of interest, and at that point, you need the AI to be working for you and not them.

And this is what the big failing in the world is today: that you are really not in control of your AIs and you should be, and that's what needs to change.

Can that change?

I mean, that would take

Congress and the government to to change?

No, I mean, not it can change in many different ways, but one of them is so governments can try to get involved in this, but there's also there's maybe even bigger pitfalls there.

But most important what has to happen is I

when I use different well, let me make an analogy, right?

People didn't used to like to put their money in the bank because they thought the bankers might run away with it and they kept it under their mattress, which is not a good idea, right?

If your money is is invested, you'll have more money and so on.

And

this is the same thing, but with data, right?

I shouldn't refuse to put my money in the bank, but at the same time, what I want to do is I want to make sure that I trust the organization, the company, or other organization that is actually curating my data and running my models for me, right?

And is that anyway?

And Google wants to do that, right?

You know, as Sergei Brinwando de Founder said, like, Google wants to be the third half of your brain.

And in a way, it's good to have more brain, but would you really trust a company that makes its life by selling you ads to be the third half of your brain?

No, right?

So what you want is a company or an organization that whose fiduciary duty, whose entire business model is to do with your data and your model what you would do yourself.

But you know, aren't we looking for, Pedro, aren't we looking for

George Washington?

You know, he was called the greatest because if he'd actually resign and not just appoint him king, if he only serves two terms, he'll be the greatest man to ever live because nobody gives that power up.

Aren't we kind of looking for that kind of company that

all of this power is at their fingertips, but they'll say, nope, I will close that door?

Well,

not really because, I mean, I understand the analogy, but at the end of the day, why do banks not run away with your money?

right because in the long run it's worse for them so competition is very important there's new startups coming up all the time, and in particular, AI ones.

And when there's a startup that does AI for me better than the Googles and the Facebooks, either the Googles and the Facebooks will change because they'll be forced to, or I will switch to using that company.

But for that to happen, I need to know what it is that I want and

connect.

with the companies that will do it for me.

So the market, right, this is the power of the market is that

there's a million solutions.

And at the end of the day, the consumer wins because the company that serves you better will win out over the one that doesn't serve you better.

Well, I love

your optimism.

You wrote a great article, and I urge the audience to read it.

It's at spectator.com.

We must stop militant liberals from politicizing artificial intelligence.

What's happening, everybody knows.

I mean, everybody knows.

Whether you realize it's being encoded right now or not, I don't know.

But you need to realize that the biggest thing that you think that conservatives or you know people who are just not you know on the on the right or on the left what is it that they need to know what's the thing that keeps you up at night and you're like if people would just wake up and learn this

well as I touched on in that article the biggest thing that conservatives need to wake up to is that the left wing is already going all out to embed their values into the AI.

There's teams at these tech companies

under the name usually of AI ethics or responsible AI, whose mission is to embed the liberal, I'm not kidding, whose mission is to embed the liberal agenda into their products, into the things that they do.

And then what, you know,

when they choose what ads to show you, when they choose

what people to advertise to, and what things to advertise.

There's all these decisions that are being made.

that used to be made by humans, right, and they were very ideologically charged.

And now what they're doing is

they're inserting them into the products.

This is not a hypothetical.

This is something that is happening today.

And so what's going to happen to you as a conservative is that you're going to live in a liberal world or an ultra-liberal world without even realizing it.

Because all these decisions that are being made for you on behalf,

on behalf of you by machines, they being made according to, they put the algorithms in there to enforce things like equity.

My algorithm says that there will be the same number of men and women in this and the same number of different races and so on, for example, because I inserted into it.

And conservatives need to wake up to this and to fight their side of the battle, which is one of two things.

Certain things should be neutral.

AI should be trying to present an accurate view of the world and not distort it and make stuff up basically to make it, you know, it's very Orwellian, right?

One of the things that

a dictator, you know, a tool terrible regime needs to do is

persuade people of its worldview.

AI is a great tool for doing that.

Conservatives need to wake up to that.

This is being done to you right now.

And so, on the one hand, they want to fight for neutrality of the technology.

And on the other hand, they want to have AI systems that just follow their ideology, just like the liberals do.

There's no reason why it should all be in the hands of the liberals.

Pedro Domingos, he is a professor emeritus at the University of Washington, author of the book, The Master Algorithm.

I know you've paid a heavy price for speaking up for just a fair and clean algorithm, and I appreciate it.

Your courage is inspiring.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

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I saw a disturbing tweet from Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee, last night, and we've been texting each other back and forth about the Nord Stream pipeline.

Did you know anything about this?

No.

Did anybody in the Senate know about this?

No, nobody has been briefed on this.

And he said, the problem is,

I'm not sure if it's true or not.

And that's a different different position for a lot of Americans.

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Who do we believe?

There's a lot of stuff happening today where people are just grinding up the credibility of institutions, of our founding documents, of our whole society.

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College kids now are learning to snitch on each other through secret tip lines.

This is Germany, West, I'm sorry, East Germany under the Soviets.

They had the Stasi and they would,

they, they got people to snitch on each other.

That is the one thing that people always have said about America.

They'll come over and they'll say, Americans are so nice and they're so trusting.

Well, it's not that we were that trusting.

It's that

Europe wasn't trusting.

Nobody trusted each other because for centuries they've turned each other in for one reason or another.

So keep it to yourself.

Keep it in the family.

What are you saying?

We're open because we've never had that kind of thing.

So when George Bush first promoted, you know, hey, you see something, say something, call the White House snitch line if you see something that your neighbor is doing.

No, I mean, if I see my neighbor and he's, you know, obviously something is wrong, I'll call the local police.

Hey, can you just check this out?

But I'm not watching my neighbor and snitching on my neighbor.

And that's what's happening right now.

You know, people are being in college.

You know, this door room number in this dorm room

had a sign that said all solicitors must be able to define the word woman.

And then the campus, you know, PC police come.

79 complaints at the University of Connecticut.

There's a bathroom that

is being identified based on gender.

Oh my gosh, no.

There were some verbal remarks directed at a certain race and gender identity at this comedian that was on campus.

Really?

In Illinois, a student was reported for saying that there were only two genders and reportingly not wanting to live with a roommate who just makes stuff up in his head.

That's no longer acceptable.

Meanwhile, Meanwhile,

to further curb speech,

Sheila Jackson-Lee has introduced the Leading Against White Supremacy Act of 2023.

It is one of the most unconstitutional and radical pieces of legislation proposed in I don't know how many years.

The Leading Against White Supremacy Act.

It aims to prevent and prosecute white supremacy-inspired hate crime and conspiracy to commit white supremacy-inspired hate crime, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So if you engage in what is defined as white supremacy hate

and you inspire a hate crime,

well, if it was used in the planning, development, preparation, or perpetration of any of the crime,

you're responsible and you go to prison.

But they don't define exactly what white supremacy is and white supremacy crimes are.

Okay?

Now, seems like a problem, you know, maybe.

Especially when you say there is no definition in the law of white supremacy ideology.

And then, you know, the conspiracy provision.

It makes it illegal to publish material that inspires a crime.

So

if I publish something and somebody read it, some lunatic, and they were like, oh my gosh, I got to take this into my own hands.

I'm going to go shoot down that Chinese weather balloon myself.

This government would probably say that was a crime.

And if they were white and they're like, yeah, and I have white power,

I could be prosecuted.

You could be prosecuted.

It doesn't matter if they're mentally ill or not.

This is kind of a problem.

Kind of a problem for millions of Americans.

Now,

this has all happened before.

All of this has happened before.

There is nothing new under the sun.

The question is, are we going to learn from history and recognize the

problems and recognize did what did historically, what did people do?

Did it work or did it not work?

Did they do something or not do something?

You can't just expect utopia to happen because utopia, you know, utopia is,

I mean, in a better world, it'd be a coloring book and it would be, at best, fiction.

The word utopia actually comes from the 16th century and it was kind of a joke.

Utopia, it came, you know, was written by Thomas More, and he took the Greek prefix for not or no, and the suffix for place.

No place.

That's what utopia means, no place or nowhere.

Get it?

So I think the book by Thomas More is a prediction of communism.

It takes place on a fictional island called Utopia.

It's an island of slavery where poverty is cured by harmony, crime is solved by equity, private property, money, been abolished, social classes have been unmasked for

what they really are, a conspiracy of the rich.

And Utopia, the island nowhere, achieved a complete equality of goods.

Now, equality of goods, what they did was they just destroyed the meaning of all goods because everybody shares in utopia and to devalue currency, precious objects are treated like trash.

People give diamonds to children instead of marbles.

They have chamber pots or toilets made of gold.

And even the chains on the slaves are made of gold.

And traditional institutions mean nothing.

Youth in Asia is common on the island of Utopia because

nobody really cares about the value of anything, including human life.

Utopians always claim to be humanist.

I just want to do what's best for all humans.

And they offer that utopian view.

And again,

it is the basis of Marxism and communism.

And really, it's just all a lie, but it's a diversion.

It's a delay tactic.

Because people don't realize this is a lie until usually it's too late because it's a slow boil.

Think of how

you are accepting things now that you wouldn't have accepted 15 years ago, 10 years ago.

10 years ago, if I said men could have babies too,

every liberal would have said not possible.

What are you talking about?

Well, that's what you're going to tell me in about 10 years.

No, I'm not.

That's ridiculous.

You are now parroting and saying things that you know are nonsense.

And I'm speaking to America in general.

And people are saying right now, give me the power so I can make you powerful.

Yeah.

And the choice is always, it's going to be Armageddon.

It's going to be, he's worse than Hitler.

That's the, he's worse than Trump.

And Trump was worse than Hitler.

Oh, wow.

And what was Mitt Romney again?

I mean, it's always a choice between utopia.

We can't really define it, but we'll know it when we get there.

And we can't tell you how we're going to pay for it, but it's all going to be sugar, plum, fairies, and lollipops.

It's wonderful.

Or, go ahead.

You can roast in the fires of hell with Satan and Armageddon.

Go ahead.

And they convince us

that the power of a nation should not belong to you.

Everything belongs to you.

Everything in your life, all of your thoughts, your actions, they belong to you.

The things you have earned through merit belong to you.

And if you've, quote, earned something without merit,

if you've just inherited it, you don't really own it.

You really,

something becomes yours when you've earned it, but all that goes out a window.

The power of a nation doesn't belong to people.

It's stuff.

It should all belong to the state.

So people, one by one, historically speaking, hand all of their power over to the state.

And then the state decides what its people should be, what they can say, what they can watch, what they can listen to.

They define hate.

You and I both know hate.

We know hate when we see hate.

We know love when we see love.

I can tell you the difference between love and sex.

There's a big difference.

Love always wins.

Sex doesn't always win.

Utopians

take the state and turn it into the brain of society, and it controls everything.

Now, think of this.

This is from the 1600s.

Think of this.

The state becomes the brain of society.

With AI and all of the technology we have today, they are literally trying to be the brain of society and control everything and hold all of the power.

It will do the thinking and deciding for everyone.

In America, the first utopian was Woodrow Wilson, really.

The one with real power, he used centralization and bureaucracy to make a collectivism that Americans had never seen before.

And then

he spread it in all the universities.

He convinced Congress to give hand them their power so he could use war and surveillance to make a world safe for democracy.

FDR took the step even further.

He said it would get rid of war altogether with a little help from Joseph Stalin.

We've seen all of these things before and America turned just in time.

Will we this time?

Because there's

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All right, I want to talk to you about the great cultural revolution here.

Like every good utopian, Mao started with ideas.

I got ideas.

Slogans, basically, that sound good but don't really mean anything.

See if any of these sound familiar to you.

Before long, the slogans are truths.

This is how he made every aspect of life political.

That way, anyone who disagreed with him was conspiring against China, the great utopia.

They weren't his opponents.

They were the enemies of the people.

This is why utopians always combine academia with the military.

The academics dream up the new utopias and the military forces people into those utopias.

And Mao is really clever about this.

He convinced people how they had a role in how things work.

Your lives are political for a reason.

This is how he got students to snitch on one another, then get kids to betray their own parents, all in the names of the state.

This is how you create a whole society of vigilantes.

For Woodrow Wilson,

he had the four-minute men.

That was his goons.

For Mao, the Red Guards, young activists who served as his unofficial enforcers.

In colleges.

I just told you who the snitchers were, and they think they're doing good, just like these others did.

The tech world, isn't that really the enforcer of the government now?

One of the first utopians,

one of the first utopians of the modern age really was Mao.

He was the most prolific at death.

They take power.

to destroy history.

That's the first thing.

They say the world as we know it, China as we know it, has to be replanned, reset, because everything you know is old dusty and no longer any good.

At the start of the Cultural Revolution, the Red Guard led a campaign to eradicate the four olds.

I want you to listen.

Pesky four olds.

The four olds.

that they had to get rid of.

The old customs.

Christmas means nothing.

Thanksgiving Thanksgiving is a celebration of slavery.

Fourth of July is a celebration.

Get rid of the old customs.

The old culture.

You needed new habits and new ideas.

The old history had to be swept away.

The old guard had to be swept away.

They started, believe it or not, by tearing down statues and changing the names of streets.

Then they attacked anyone who tried to stop them.

They destroyed people's homes.

They publicly humiliated their opponents, and no one could stop them because people had already given Mao all their power.

Before long, the Red Guard was destroying cemeteries.

and factories and libraries and museums and temples.

Wow, they were burning down their own cities.

What happens is the same story over and over again.

They want to reform the big institutions of society, but in the end, they only destroy the small institutions, family, church, private property.

And they always start with the idea that you have a duty to the state.

And the group is more important than the individual.

And if that individual is speaking out, they have to be shut down.

that was only the first installment of mao's genocidal reign

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It said,

check my Twitter feed.

So I did, if false, slander, if true, war.

And it was the story about how we may have blown up the Nord Stream pipeline.

I wrote to him right before I came on the air today and I said, you know, so what do I tell the people?

And he said, I would tell your audience, we don't know whether or not this is true.

Lone author writing on Substack, relying on a single source, isn't good, but it's

we have no confidence either way.

Is it true?

I don't know.

But if it's true, it's a real problem, a huge, quoting, huge problem of epic proportions.

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Who else had the capacity?

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I know that's been disputed.

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All right.

Now, Seymour Hirsch, who wrote this story on Substack about the pipeline as a loon.

Okay, lost his mind about, I don't know, 30 years ago, in my opinion, my humble opinion.

It's a subjective analysis of Mr.

Hirsch.

He did good work in Vietnam.

But after that, it was just crazy time.

Yeah, he has come up with a lot of things

and not usually verifiable.

Never borne out.

So he loves this.

Knowing the Biden administration the way I do, I think it's almost impossible.

that Joe Biden would

order

an attack on the Nord Stream pipeline.

He just doesn't have

that kind of grit,

and that could start a world war with news.

So I would say

to Senator Lee with respect, I don't believe the story as it stands.

Well, he said he, in all fairness, that's what he said.

I don't believe it, but I can't dismiss it either.

Well, I can't dismiss Martians from Venus.

I mean, you know,

they would be

tourists on Venus.

Why would Martians be on Venus?

I'm going to go this conspiracy route all day long,

but I'm a fact-based guy.

Correct.

And the only people really watching this, you're never going to get any reporting out of Russia that's worth anything.

So you can't believe anything they say.

But the Swedes,

Olaf and the Swedes

and

that group over there, what are they?

Yeah, they're watching it.

Right.

So

at this point, I think this isn't really

something that America should be concerned about.

Do you want to get into the State of the Union?

Because I have one thing that everybody missed, Beck.

Yeah, I do, but I want to take this conversation one step further.

Sure.

The problem with this story, Bill, is

we have been lied to so many times by our administration, by our media, that I find myself in in a position to where

I can't make a call on a few things like this.

I'm like, I don't think we did that, but if we did do that, it'd be really horrible.

But I don't think we could ever prove it because no one is a journalist anymore.

Nobody actually is.

Even if you were a journalist, I am a journalist and I can scuba dive.

You want to put me in a little bell?

Right.

Oh, I'd love to put you in a little bell.

I know you would.

Yeah,

jealous guy.

Jealous guy.

Anyway,

but it's impossible.

You just can't get to that kind of a story.

So

do you believe we'll ever find out who blew it up?

Because somebody did.

You know, look, I don't know whether that is a physiological fact that somebody did.

You're way under the water.

You've got all kinds of combustibles going through the pipeline.

Certainly, it could have been some kind of malfunction.

So, I don't think I would go with sabotage 100% at this point.

I think the Swedes and Elsa

and her sister were there.

Yeah, I believe they investigated them.

It was sabotage.

Okay, so tell me what we missed on the State of the Union.

Okay, and the guy in the Wall Street Journal just ripped off my analysis.

Henninger is is his name today.

So right after the

State of the Union, I did instant analysis on radio and television.

That's what I do for a living.

And I said, look, did you not pick up the

living wage comment?

And you're an expert at this.

At the end of it, he's going, everybody should be in a union because everybody should have a living wage and everybody should have health care, you know, the usual.

A living wage, okay, is a Marxist tenet.

Yes.

That means the government sets everybody's salary.

Nobody, no corporation or company is going to set a living wage.

So I brought it to Cuomo last night.

I do a hit with him on Wednesday on News Nation, which you should watch, just because you'll be entertained, Beck.

All right.

And I said to him, hey, did you catch this?

And of course, he said no.

But then he started to do the little dance about, well, he meant minimum wage.

I said, no, he didn't.

No, he didn't.

He didn't.

We already have minimum wage laws.

He meant living wage.

So fast forward to this morning, I opened a Wall Street Journal, which is worth reading on its editorials page sign.

And there's Energy going, oh,

Biden has come out of the closet as a socialist.

And that's true.

But here's the real tragic part.

Biden doesn't even know what a living wage means.

He doesn't even know it's part of the Karl Marx Marx program he didn't write that speech he went over it 15 times because and he delivered it pretty well you got to be honest he had good energy he didn't look befuddled

he had good energy I don't know what they did that delivery to what he usually does stammers around with that was light years better but he didn't write any of it and unlike Trump and Obama they didn't write either but they edited heavily both of them but I don't know whether Biden but I doubt that he's sitting there with his Sharpie editing.

I doubt it.

He pretty much does what he's told to do by Susan Rice.

The New York Times did a whole story on this and said he does edit, and he's looking for

because they had several insiders of the White House.

Insider, and they said that he edits and he marks it up where he needs to pause, and he looks for, because he has a strong rule, no acronyms and words that he thinks he might stutter, he takes those out.

Jill Biden does, not him.

Listen, whenever you see anonymous sources, New York Times, forget it.

No.

Forget it.

No.

I mean, yeah, they want to make them look good.

So they, oh, an insider told me.

I just can't even imagine him with his concentration span being 18 seconds, all right, sitting there with with an hour and 12 minute speech going over it line by line.

Now what he does do is read the teleprompter and he reads it and he reads it and he reads it.

And they have built in in the teleprompter pause.

Right.

Stop.

Right.

Smile.

Grimace.

Grimace.

Bill,

let me ask you, he ad-libbed a few things that apparently were not in the speech.

And one of those was his angry, angry response about who wants to be President Z in China?

Nobody.

And

he goes from like okay

to

screaming, flaming mad in an instant.

That sounds like me.

Well, look,

I'm not going to analyze his emotional capabilities.

I mean, you've all, he

called some reporter a dog pony soldier or something.

I mean, it's just incoherent gibberish.

And so I don't even bother with that.

What really, really disturbs me, and this is not in the forefront of the American people's mind.

They're calling him a liar and they're, oh, he's a liar.

He's this, he's that.

He's delusional, Beck.

He lives in a world of delusion.

He thinks he's doing a good job with the economy.

He believes that he is a deficit cost cutter.

He believes this stuff,

okay?

And it's so far from reality, but we all know older people who you go in and then there they are, and it's the same syndrome.

And run for office again?

This man is going downhill faster than Lindsey Vaughn.

You think this is going to get better with him?

No.

I mean,

I'm sitting there going, this country, if this man wins another four-year term,

this country is going to be damaged beyond repair.

We can repair it now.

I have about 70 seconds.

I have to ask you about the spat between Donald Trump and

Ron DeSantis.

What is Trump doing?

Stop with this.

I agree 100%.

I agree.

It's a terrible tactic.

He doesn't need

to.

He doesn't.

Yeah, if he would just

be about discipline with him.

You know that.

I know, I know, I know.

It's emotion and discipline.

He's going to have a tough time

getting that nomination unless he changes course fairly quickly.

Bill O'Reilly from BillO'Reilly.com.

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Bill, thanks.

Talk to you again.

Look for that gear, man.

I want to see you wearing that hat.

Yeah, I like you send me the books, too.

Yeah, I'll look for it.

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And why

people would do this?

Why would they take AI and

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It's one thing to say, you know, well, they're just evil.

Yeah, okay.

Is everybody evil?

Is there anybody that has a better answer than that?

Look at it.

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And it includes these amazing videos from China and what they're already doing to their people.

And it is all lining up exactly with what

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It is really common core

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All the technology parts of it that Bill Gates was pushing for, it's all now in China.

And when you see what they're doing, reading brainwaves and watching the children's eyes and tracking their eyes, and your decision on where you're going to work and what you're going to be, and what you like, what you don't like, that's all decided for you by the time you get into first grade.

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But you need to know about it because this is what's coming now in America.

And it won't if we are all educated and we know, but

drib, drab, it just keeps coming down drip, drip, drip, drip.

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Well,

we are getting the drip, drip, drip now.

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