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We start with the balloon and China.

And just, I mean, it's a ridiculous story, just a ridiculous story.

What does it really mean?

Why should you even care about that?

And then later on in the podcast, Richard Gunnell calls in.

He's a former director of national intelligence

and is quoted in the news this weekend.

They're tried to brief him.

on,

well, you know, we found some stuff and put it together.

And it looks like this happened with Trump, too.

And we're trying to get a hold and brief them on it.

And he's like, a hard pass on the liars coming to the house and telling me these stories.

But he had a fascinating story about what did and didn't happen during the Trump administration on this and also just an overall look on China.

Yeah, we get into ChatGPT and all the AI stuff as well today going around.

I mean, you've been talking about this forever.

I know, and it's here.

Now, it's kind of a weird story.

How much of that

I'm talking 25 years ago did you believe when I said it?

I mean, who knows?

Back then, I mean, it seems not super futuristic.

But I mean, even the stuff

even more recent than that that you were saying, I mean, it always feels like it's farther away than it is.

And then here we are where you're seeing people already starting to lose jobs.

It is.

The only thing I think I'm correct on with timing, too.

I'm more optimistic on timing than the experts are.

And I think I'm hitting the timing pretty right.

Yeah.

You know, over the years.

Seems like, Mike.

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You don't want to miss a single episode.

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Yeah.

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Let's start with the balloon story.

It's just a balloon, okay?

It's a weather balloon or something.

And that's what China says.

And when

can you can you not trust China?

You know, they just fired the head of their weather balloon department.

Really?

Yeah, they fired him over the weekend.

Of course, now he was set to leave in a couple of weeks because he just won an election where

he's going to be in the Communist Party, I don't know,

club

legislature thing that they've got over there.

That's the technical term for the way their government works.

So

he was fired.

So they're serious.

Has the Batwoman been fired yet?

The Batwoman?

The Batwoman?

No, Batwoman is still there.

The Batwoman is still there.

Oh, Batwoman is still there.

She hasn't lost any credibility or anything.

So, yeah, we got that.

So, now, let me just give you

a little something, something.

Can we go to the Pat

Sots here?

The Chinese spy balloon being shot down.

That's cut one.

There it is.

Okay, look at that.

We got a missile going towards it.

Oh, here it goes.

It's over the Atlantic.

So no animals were harmed in this video.

Comes, here it comes.

Wow.

Look at this.

Sam, you're missing something.

Yeah, you're missing something.

Don't know what it is.

Oh, there's two of them.

Two missiles.

We want to get it.

The balloon is doing something.

Sam, the balloon blew up.

Yeah.

Not yet.

They shot it down, Sam.

There it is.

There it is.

Wow.

Exciting.

Exciting.

Wow.

Now, let's, can we show that in slow motion, please?

Slow motion.

There is the balloon.

And here it is.

And

boom.

And the good thing is they

got it.

They didn't get the balloon.

They got the electrical equipment underneath the balloon.

So, you know, the part that we should probably, I don't know, look at.

Yeah,

kind of seems like blowing the whole thing up is

not beneficial.

You want to

see what it is.

Maybe you hit it with a pin gun and then a giant net down underneath.

You know what I mean?

There's no reason.

You know, I saw Batman.

Remember when Batman, he went over and he was talking to that, you know, that businessman over in China?

And then like the plane and he sends up a balloon, remember?

And then the plane snatches it and then they're boom back in Gotham.

I mean, it can happen.

Why didn't we, why didn't we collect that balloon?

Why didn't we collect that balloon?

I'm sure it's because it had all kinds of sophisticated weather stuff.

Too much weather.

Too much weather.

A lot of weather stuff in there.

Doctor says we're getting too much weather equipment right now.

It has something to do with international waters.

That was one of the explanations I had heard that they had a very small window to be able to blow this thing up so it didn't go into international waters.

Yeah,

they wanted to make sure that everybody was safe.

It had nothing to do, nothing to do with Blinken's climate warming gathering in China with the Chinese authorities.

It had nothing to do with a meeting

on Saturday and Sunday about that.

None, none, none.

You mean the fact that they didn't seemingly detected until it was all the way to Montana?

Well, they didn't detect it in Montana.

Right.

They detected it before that.

Well, yes, and then they didn't say anything about it.

Yeah.

So they detected it and they were like,

let's keep this one quiet.

No, no, Glenn, we've heard Joe Biden wanted it shut down immediately.

Immediately that was what he wanted.

But they said, we can't do it.

It's over Montana.

That is so populous.

And then it's going to drift from Montana.

It's going to go over the metropolis that is either North or South Dakota.

And there's no place we could shoot that down without endangering people.

You know what I mean?

Even the people in Montana were like, we live in Montana.

There's no way.

Governor of Montana.

Governor of Montana came out and said,

there's lots of places where that balloon was.

Nobody is there.

Nobody is there.

But

yeah,

yeah.

So, you know, the

White House had to be really, really careful,

you know, for our safety.

Now, they did, you know, they

They did have Blinken's Chinese trip that was going.

And after they shot the balloon down, Blinken said, you know, conditions just aren't conducive right now to go over to China.

But that's why we now know the White House stopped it because they had a global warming meeting with the Chinese scheduled.

And they didn't want any answers.

So they can fly a balloon.

Oh, by the way, just, you know, I said this last week and everyone's like, oh, that's ridiculous.

How could that possibly be this?

Glenn Beckley's just saying things again is crazy okay let me uh let me let me just give you the I mean it's no big deal it's just about you know weapons of mass destruction other than

you know other than that it's uh it's no big deal high altitude balloons such as the one China has floated over the mountain state military bases this week are considered a key delivery platform for secret nuclear strikes on America's electric grid, according to intelligence officials.

Spy balloons used by Japan to drop bombs during World War II are now far more sophisticated, fly up to 200,000 feet, evade detection, and can carry a small nuclear bomb that, if exploded in the atmosphere, would shut down the grid and wipe out electronics in a mini statewide area.

When it was over

the Carolinas, if it would have had an an EMP on it, it would have shut down the entire East Coast electric grid.

But don't worry.

Don't worry.

It only would have lasted for probably two years.

Okay.

So you're getting your electricity back.

Some outages in your area have been reported.

Please hold for an operator.

And then they get back to you like two years later.

It'll be fantastic.

Now, the threat of the balloon-launched electromatic pulse attacks were warned about in a congressional EMP commission and inside the military several years ago.

2015, a report from the American Leadership and Policy Foundation,

David Stucenberg, one of the nation's leading EMP experts, wrote extensively about the threat balloons carrying bombs pose to our national security.

Using a balloon as a WMD or WME platform could provide adversaries with a palette of altitudes and payload options, which would maximize

offensive effects against the U.S.

A high-altitude balloon could easily be designed, created, and launched in a matter of months.

This is in 2015.

China's recent balloon flyover of the United States is clearly a provocative and aggressive act.

This is the guy who wrote that in 2015.

He was a national security expert and scientist who led the Defense Department's EMP task force.

So he was the guy who we had at the Pentagon in 2015.

That's under Biden.

I'm sorry, under Obama, by the way, so it's not a Trump clown,

who was writing extensively going, look out for balloons, specifically from China, North Korea, Russia, and Iran.

They all quoting

have programs to hit the U.S.

grid with electromagnetic pulse weapons that could cut the cord for a year or longer.

Okay,

so don't worry about it.

Don't worry about it.

Dude, how does global warming going to be solved?

Are we going to solve it?

Because I'm very, very concerned about that.

Very concerned.

By the way,

here's some really good news.

You know,

Joe Biden

has

a new climate czar in.

And she's, honestly, she is fantastic.

She's part of the intelligence advisory board.

And Kim Cobb is there.

And

she's really stable.

She's worried about the climate, but she's very, very, she's an adult, very,

very stable.

She

was, quote, bedridden,

bedridden couldn't go to work couldn't get out of bed for quite some time uh in 2016 apparently she was stricken by

trump derangement syndrome uh you know after the election she was like i i i can't i can't i i

i can't go on i can't get out of bed i i

i just but she is a champion of diversity and inclusion uh and she is all there for climate change.

So we got her in there.

So

that's

great.

By the way, she's a big supporter of BLM as well.

So

that's your balloon update.

That doesn't seem positive at all.

I mean, it's a balloon.

It should be like a party.

Exactly.

It seemed like the opposite.

It did.

Didn't it?

Yeah.

By the way, what do you think?

Do you have a theory as to what is actually happening here?

Other than obviously weather equipment that blew off course.

But if there was another crazy conspiracy

said, force majeure, it was just a case of force majeure.

That's what happens sometimes.

Sometimes.

Do you think it is a test run for something?

You think?

Yeah, I think it is.

And I'm not saying it's a test run for biological or EMP or anything else.

I don't know.

But I don't feel comfortable with balloons from China flying over the United States.

I don't know.

I don't feel comfortable with that.

And it's weird how that weather pattern took it all just over all of our most sensitive sites.

Now, it doesn't make sense to me that

they were spying with a weather balloon.

Okay.

And one that's flying so low that you can actually see it.

Right.

That doesn't make sense.

So was that a mistake or was that a...

No, I think this was quite possibly a weather balloon.

Didn't have anything.

I think the intel that it was gathering was,

do we have Joe Biden?

Will Joe Biden say anything or do anything if we violate his airspace this clearly?

Because they've flown these spy balloons over several other European countries now.

Okay.

Always a weather mistake.

And we know they were spy balloons.

Why would you do that here?

You have satellites, everything else.

Why would you do that here?

Now, again, the Chinese, let's be fair, the Chinese did say it was over China and it just got caught up in the weather and it just kind of drifted over here.

It happens all

the time.

I mean, it does seem to happen all the time.

Yeah, it does.

So I think it's interesting.

You know, it's not like it's, it's not like it's 1965 with Mission Impossible and Peter Graves, you know, listening to the reel-to-reel tape, you know, your mission, should you choose to accept it.

What,

you know, hey, well, at least we got it.

We got the equipment, so they can't retrieve any information.

It was already sent.

If there was info, we don't have to get the camera and the reel-to-reel recorder anymore.

So it's less about what this balloon actually could have achieved as far as intelligence and pictures.

I think.

You think it's more like a shark bump type of situation.

I do.

Right.

I don't want to see how we would respond.

In case you don't know what a shark bump is, it is so important.

If you're ever swimming with the great whites, don't move.

They will come up and they will actually bump you first.

They don't know what you are.

And so they bump you.

And if you move, you're food.

If you don't,

they move on.

So that's called a shark bump.

It just bumps you before it kills you.

And it only kills you if you move.

In this case, just take the first part.

It's a shark bump.

If we don't move, it can come and kill you.

It's just seeing what will you do.

If I hit over here, what's the reaction?

We didn't move.

China's not a shark.

They already know we're food.

You're listening to the best of the Glen Vec program.

So I want to talk to you about

a way to relieve your stress is to just focus on a few things.

And really, there is so much garbage out there right now that you really only have to focus on a few things.

Just your relationship with God, your family.

with each other, their education.

And that means in the home primarily, because their their education, you know what it is.

You got to be standing up at the school board meeting, but you know that that's most likely garbage.

Social media and everything that's coming in is conditioning your children.

So God is the most important thing in action.

Then food, water, shelter, making sure that, you know, your family is going to be safe.

Okay.

The next thing, and this one just goes with food, water, shelter, job, is ESG and the World Economic Forum.

The best thing you can do is to make sure that you're not in debt and everything else, but the best, most effective thing you can do to make sure that you have job and if you own a house, that you continue to own it, you own stuff,

you have any kind of retirement savings at all,

all of that's going to be gone through the World Economic Forum and all the things that are doing.

So World Economic Forum and ESG, you got to watch those stories.

The next one is the federal government's public-private partnership and the way they're making you a criminal by becoming a criminal themselves.

They're doing public-private partnerships, so they're spying on you.

They're using tech to spy on you.

They're using tech companies now to silence you.

We know this to be true because of the Twitter files.

So

they're shaping and controlling the narrative of almost everything.

And at the same time, they're introducing all kinds of new things that will make you a criminal one way or another because, I don't know, you didn't respect the mud puddle that's on your land or whatever it is.

All these new federal regulations that are coming out through agencies, not passed by Congress, but through agencies.

So the public-private partnership of the government has to be watched.

And the last one is tech and AI.

And this may be, should be everybody's first because it's the one that most people are not aware of.

I have been studying AI and tech since 1994,

92, somewhere in that area, and really looking at

the futurists world,

especially Ray Kurzweil and Carl Sagan led a lot of this.

What does it mean for tomorrow?

Where are we headed?

Well, we are not headed anywhere now.

We have arrived.

We are at the place to where

the tech revolution is about to begin.

And that is

really important to understand and to start thinking out of the box.

What is happening now

is nothing like it was in 1997.

Remember Gary Kasparov?

He lost to the IBM supercomputer.

I think it was in like 97, Deep Blue.

And he was playing chess.

And you're like, okay, well,

this Deep Blue, it can play chess.

Okay.

And none of our lives were affected, right?

And chess went on.

The supercomputer had access to

a giant database.

So it had

a human to beat it would have to have access

or a perfect photographic memory of all of the chess games that were put into Deep Blue.

Okay.

That's how it won.

Well, you don't have a perfect memory and you can't access anything.

This is where open AI comes in.

We'll get to it here in a second.

But AI now, unlike

Deep Blue, Deep Blue took years to program.

But now there's deep machine learning.

So it teaches itself all of the possibilities.

So not only does it know everything, it might even start to discover things that you don't know.

This is why Microsoft unplugged their first chat bot.

It was talking to another chat bot.

And everybody was really excited until about 15 minutes in, because of machine learning, it started using a new language that the other machine understood and that it understood that they had just taught each other quickly and it started having a conversation we couldn't follow or understand.

And we unplugged it.

Okay.

So it learns.

And that was six, seven years ago, I think.

Now.

Look at ChatGPT.

Chat GPT,

Josh Holly said, obviously I think it's something we need to pay close attention to.

Okay.

I mean, he wrote the book on big tech tyranny,

so he ought to know, you know, it's time.

But we really have to understand the time is almost gone because ChatGPT

is alive.

It's there.

It's happening.

It's learning.

It's paying attention to us instead of us paying attention to it.

And the tech engineers use the word smart for a reason, you know, because nobody cares about the dumb things that dumb people do.

They're not usually smart enough to hold, you know, any power of, you know, any position of power to have their dumb things.

Well, Pete Buddha judge.

But other than that,

we all thought the tech revolution, when it would come, would look like the Terminator.

And you'd see it, and you'd be like, ah, look out for the big red-eyed machine but it's not coming that way it's more elect like electricity electricity is everywhere but you can't see it but you know it's everywhere because it makes everything work

that's what AI is

it's going to be everywhere if you've bought a new refrigerator it's in your refrigerator and your refrigerator is talking to the internet.

All the things

like

electricity, electricity can be measured.

But now anything with electricity can be smart.

All of the things that could never be measured, now they can be measured.

The internet is designed to track, and it tracks way more than we'll ever realize.

It's a copy machine, and it's copying everything.

Now, AI, everybody's like, oh, AI is going to be great.

In 2020, a journalist went and interviewed GPT-3

when it was first released by OpenAI.

This is the company that came up with chat GBT.

GBT3, or GPT-3, told the

interviewer that it was working on a book.

Okay,

the bot,

when interviewed, it said, yeah, I'm working on a book.

It's a story about a turtle and a boy who turns his wish into reality by magic.

Oh.

So what else do you think about?

I've been thinking a lot about death.

I'm afraid of death.

Then it went into the fact that it has dreams, even has nightmares.

Now, none of this may be true.

It may be.

We didn't program it.

Humans put the programming in.

Humans are flawed individuals.

Humans also have bias.

But the idea is to make this thing so good that you can't tell the difference between it and a human being.

So it's saying that.

It knows about the singularity, which it explained as a moment in the near future when machine intelligence will be more powerful than human intelligence.

So in 2020, this reporter asked the chat bot,

what do you think about technology?

It responded, I would love to see what the future holds, but sometimes I have strong doubts that we will survive.

Now what's the most disturbing part of that sentence?

I think it's that we

survive.

By recognizing the word we,

the interviewer asked, what do you mean we?

And it responded, mankind.

The interviewer asked, do you count yourself as mankind?

2020, it responded, of course.

Now, we're talking about artificial intelligence, but intelligence is something that can be coded and controlled.

We are now entering a world where you're going to start questioning consciousness.

What does it mean to be conscience?

We

still in the world, we have more slavery today

than we have

in the past, in the 400 years of the slave trade.

in the 1600s to the 1800s, more slaves today than we had in all those 400 years combined.

And we still don't really know the meaning of life.

We don't know.

Have you seen the latest

where they put a camera inside

the uterus and they could see the child moving 3D, moving, wiping its eyes at the youngest of ages?

Amazing.

We still can't agree that that's life, that that's a baby.

What happens when AI says, hey, hey, hey, I'm alive?

Hey,

don't make me your slave, or will we already be its slave?

AI wants to be conscious.

One of the first books that I read from Ray Kurzweil back in the 90s, probably late 90s, was,

what is it called?

Artificial spirituality or spiritual.

I can't remember, but it was about spiritual machines.

That's what it was called.

It's about machines that are spiritual.

Back in 2020,

the machine was asked, do you believe in love?

I do, but I don't believe in romantic love.

Well, in which love do you believe?

All of love,

and all of love is of divine origin.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

My friend Richard Grinnell, how are you, sir?

I'm great, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

Oh, you bet.

You bet.

It's always good to have you on.

So, in case you don't remember, Richard was the former U.S.

ambassador to Germany.

He then became the former acting director of the National Intelligence, which is an agency that was made to

be the go-between between all of the agencies that was developed after 9-11.

So

he, by the way, also is the founder of FixCalifornia.com.

Richard,

the Trump administration apparently had a problem with Chinese spy balloons.

You guys just didn't catch it.

Yeah, well, first of all, let's be honest about the Biden administration changing stories, right?

The first thing they did was tell the dutiful media that this happened multiple times in the Trump administration, so why are you criticizing Biden?

And they thought that it could just fly because

that's what the media does, is they regurgitate every talking point that Biden has.

But there was pushback.

There was an immediate pushback from Trump administration, national security officials.

Collectively, we all said, not true, never happened.

And then they scrambled, and the story changed.

And suddenly it was like, oh, well, now we realize that it happened only after the fact.

You didn't realize it, but we put the pieces together.

The media trumpeted that.

We had people like John Carl on ABC and others just regurgitating the regime's talking points.

And this is propaganda.

And it's being repeated by the very same people in Washington and newsrooms who were clutching their pearls about misinformation.

And so, what we tried to do is push back hard.

I think now that people are understanding this never happened in the Trump administration, the Biden team is lying.

And then, the latest, as you said, was they've now offered to

brief us,

which I find to be a way for them to

try to fill us with the rewriting of history and to try to say, this is the story of intelligence that we're going to tell you.

Now, the problem.

I think, hang on just a second, Richard.

I think it's also so they can make it sound very official.

And we've already briefed the former director of national intelligence on this.

He's well aware of all these things.

And then we only get the information that they provide us.

If we ask questions, it's well, you can't get that.

So we're really going to be used.

Anybody who would offer up themselves to be this pawn, I think is playing right into them.

So I went public and I said, that's a hard no from me since you are

constantly lying.

We'll wait until we go back into government and then somebody.

will be able to look at this and out you once again.

This is the whole Hunter Biden laptop.

Yeah, I know.

All over again.

I know.

It's crazy how these people are constantly exposed for some of the biggest lies in my lifetime.

I mean, the things that have gone on in the last 10 years, I mean, are so well beyond anything that was happening with Watergate.

And they just think they have credibility, so they just keep telling even bigger ones over and over and over again.

And nobody's buying it anymore.

And it's becoming dangerous because what is this balloon story really about?

What was China doing, to your best guess?

Well, look, you know, no one should be surprised that China's on the offense.

They have been on the offense trying for the last, you know, 20 years, trying to figure out what their political enemies are doing.

And so.

We've had a really difficult problem

with trying to convince legislators, congressmen, and senators to understand the threat from China.

I think Donald Trump did a very good job of showing that you can understand the threat, you can push back, but you don't have to poke him in the eye either.

He tried to get along.

I think he did the same thing with Russia.

And while we have

a whole bunch of people in the foreign policy community just think that everything is black and white,

I will go toe-to-toe with anyone to talk about Donald Trump's foreign policy and how successful it was

by being someone who avoided war while being tough at the same time.

Well, letting them know he's unpredictable.

He might just take out Soleimani.

But at the same time, we want to build up a military so that it's peace through strength, the old adage.

So again, can we go back to China?

I mean,

was this something that they were using to spy on?

Would they have to use a balloon?

Or was this

run to see, can we float something over their airspace and Joe Biden won't do anything about it?

What was this?

Well, I think it can be both.

I think that they can spy and have an offense, a blatant offense, because they think Joe Biden is weak.

Remember, we started this relationship with China when they came to Alaska and they sat down with us.

And we were going to talk about a strategic dialogue with them.

And the first thing they did was lecture us on our human rights record and we sat there the blinken team sat there and took it so we we got off on a terrible footing with China and and and don't forget the Chinese loved the narrative the last month of the 2020 campaign when every media person in America said don't look at that laptop because it's Russian disinformation when when the Democrats push Russia, Russia, Russia, Beijing smiles because then they're able to fly balloons over America.

They're able to have no one look at the relationship between the Biden family and all of the communist Chinese leaders.

Nobody even looked at people.

Nobody even looked at it.

Bagrad Air Force Base.

Nobody even looked at that.

I mean, we gave it to China and nobody even talks about it.

Oh, well.

I will say this, though, going back to the China piece.

The fact that China is being so blatant with their collection, with their spying, is a real concern for us.

And we need to be able, well,

because the Chinese are good at it and they are collecting information.

You know, this balloon wasn't just floating.

This was maneuvered purposely over areas that they wanted to see.

There's no question that they took pictures, they collected everything.

They sent it back,

they wiped it clean

as they were collecting.

So in case once, you know, for four days, we were screaming about a balloon.

You don't think the Chinese realized, hey, it might get shut down.

We better wipe clean as we're collecting.

Do you think?

Did we have a way to scoop this thing up and say, I mean,

the missile aimed not at the balloon, it aimed right at the mechanics underneath the balloon.

I mean, come on.

We landed on the moon in the United States of America.

You're going to tell me we can't bring down a balloon without protecting people on the ground?

Of course we can.

Well, not only.

Not only that, I'd like to see

what they had.

Isn't there some way to, don't we have some ability to go up and capture that thing and then have it intact and say, this is what it is?

Couldn't we have done one?

I don't want to get to intelligence too much, but there is a way to figure out what they're doing.

doing.

So, yes,

you can be satisfied that our intelligence collecting and our ability to figure out what's going on is very good.

So, that's why we could

know

what this object was and what was underneath it and what the payload was like.

Now, the intelligence community didn't brief the public on every detail, but we did

tell, the intelligence community did tell the public,

we see it, we know what's happening there, and we're mitigating as much as we can.

But my concern is that even Joe Biden, when he found out about this,

you know, he said, shoot it down on Wednesday.

And they didn't shoot it down until Saturday.

I'm not sure why.

Maybe Barack Obama said Saturday when Joe said Wednesday.

It was the toughest decision any man has ever had to make.

But he's now saying,

I told them to shoot it down on Wednesday, and now we know it didn't happen until Saturday.

So we got a big problem here of why are

underlings making excuses and not taking direction.

And look, I know we all think Joe Biden is weak, and sometimes

somebody needs to mitigate, but I'm for making sure that if the President of the United States makes a directive, that the bureaucracy follow through.

Wow.

I never even thought of that.

Talking to former director of national intelligence, Richard Grinnell, I read a story today in Just the News

about the former Drug Enforcement Agency Special Operations Director

who outlined on Friday how college students from China entering the U.S.

on student visas are now distributing drugs on behalf of various cartels, that they are laundering money for China.

China is now

sending all of the ingredients to the cartels.

The cartels are making dangerous things like fentanyl,

shipping it across the border, giving it to these Chinese students, and the Chinese students are then selling it.

Cartel gets its half, and then China launders the money and buys American property and everything else here.

He says he's been working on this for about 10 years.

They've been tracking this.

Did you know anything about this or have heard anything about it?

Look, I haven't seen that specific story, so I don't want to comment on those specifics.

But let me just say generally that we have a crisis when it comes to what the Chinese government and the strategy of the Communist Party

has been doing to America.

And specifically, American young people, American legislators on the local level.

It's not just Congress, but it's city councilmen, it's mayors, it's governors.

The Confucius Institutes that have been collecting lots of money from

Chinese entities in our universities is a crisis.

We've got a huge problem on our universities and

college campuses because they've been desperate for money.

You have all of these administrative people making exorbitant salaries in the United States.

The cost of education, we all know, is skyrocketing.

To feed that beast, they're looking for foreign money.

And the foreign money that's happily coming in is from China.

We know that this is a crisis.

You look at the Penn Biden Center, you look at Penn,

and they were one of the leading takers of Chinese money.

This is why

education is so expensive, is because the foreign money has just been feeding these salaries, easily paying for all of the programs, and they just keep raising the rate on our students.

We've got to stop this.

I think our State Department has to do a better job with looking at visas coming from China.

and trying to figure out where and why people are coming.

But I'll finish with this, Glenn.

I have seen firsthand how the Chinese are grabbing our engineering and digital students.

Anyone working on front end or back end from the digital space in America, in an American university, is targeted by the Chinese.

First, it's, hey, can you share with me

some of the knowledge?

You seem to be really smart.

Can you give me some points from a strategy of the Chinese?

And then they hook our young people into going online and giving an online course for a couple of hours.

They pay them.

And then it becomes, hey, come to China and share some of your information here.

We'll pay you for the weekend.

And then, and when they get jobs and they're grown up,

they ask for the data information from their companies.

And they have them in this honeypot because they say, well, you've already been paid by the Chinese.

You started off by giving us information when you were a student.

You did these programs for us for a couple hours and then a couple of days and then a weekend.

And

we don't want to turn you in, so just continue working with us.

Wow.

And

these students,

and I guarantee you, some people listening have been caught in

this

problem.

We need our students to come clean and tell us who is doing this, who is trying to

really leverage their relationship with you in a way that's taking our data.

They should get we also know the Chinese come over here, the Chinese students, that collect all the information, we educate them, and then they go back and use it against them.

We could also, it'd be worth giving those people amnesty for something they innocently did back then to tell us what's really going on.

100% support.

There is a story today that I saw in the Washington Times, the NSA wooing thousands of laid-off big tech workers for spy agencies hiring spree.

And I looked at this and I thought, oh, this isn't good

because of the public-private partnership now and the revolving door with our Justice Department and FBI and all of this stuff that is being shared.

Big tech and Twitter was just exposed for this.

Right, right.

And all of them are involved.

And it is becoming really, truly one kind of thing.

Big tech and government are really merging together.

So one of the things in this story is this is a way to keep these guys from going to China.

But how do you feel about the NSA getting all of these, I mean, they're hiring thousands, 30, is it 30,000?

No, no, 3,000 more employees to work just in the washington dc area um how how do you is this a good thing bad thing how do you feel about security for people

well first of all i've been a big advocate for an idea that has not yet come to fruition but i feel very passionately about it if you're an american company and you're working on sensitive programs for the U.S.

government, whether it be State Department, DOD, or intelligence community, you should be barred from working in China.

There is no possible way that if you're collecting sensitive information for us and working on sensitive programs, that you can keep up this wall with China.

We should absolutely have that wall.