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It's going to be an exciting one.

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In his first visit, at least

since all these changes happened

after this past election,

he's looking to talk debt limit.

And this has been a fascinating back and forth.

And I say fascinating, not in the sense of like the Super Bowl is fascinating or the Kardashians are fascinating.

I mean Washington fascinating.

The fascinating that bores everybody to tears, but is really important and may just ruin your life.

That type of fascinating.

You know,

it's like there's things that they say in Washington, like, we need a quorum call.

And you realize the most bore,

let's talk about tort reform.

These things are incredibly boring, but make an incredible difference to your life.

And that's...

That's really sad.

You'd like the exciting things to matter.

The exciting things don't seem to matter.

The boring things matter.

And one of the most boring things you can talk about is the debt limit.

Now, the debt limit is something that we've established long, long ago.

For what reason?

Why did we do this in the first place?

The debt limit is something that

should

kind of be a big

highlighted sentence on everybody's radar that says, hey,

when you hit the debt limit, that's supposed to tell you something.

It's supposed to give you information.

It's not just a big number.

It's not just just how we learn the next in the sequence of illion numbers.

Oh, million, billion, trillion, quadrillion, quintillion.

How do we know the next one?

Well, probably the debt limit is going to teach it to us.

That's how we learn things.

That's how we learn math in this country.

It's not just that, though.

It's supposed to give us a giant sign on the side of the highway that says, hey, guys, you're going too fast.

There's a giant brick wall ahead, and maybe we should slow down a little bit.

It's not just a number.

Yet Washington seems to treat it just as a number.

Now

Kevin McCarthy is going to go to the White House today and he's going to look to try to secure some sort of spending cuts.

He wants

the Democrats to sign off because they're going to need to in the Senate and of course the President to cut some spending in exchange for extending the debt limit.

Because we've already passed the debt limit.

We're now in that situation where they do fancy accounting that buys the United States of America, the number one economy in the world, buys us something like five or six months

before we actually start defaulting on stuff.

And it's

fascinating to watch this happen.

Don't you wish you had these tricks?

Why don't we have these accounting tricks?

I want these accounting tricks too.

I want to be able, when I can't pay a bill, bill, to just say, look, we're going to move money around in ways that you don't really understand that aren't really going to affect us, but it's going to give us six more months to pay that bill.

Where's my opportunity to use those tricks?

I would love to figure that out.

But we don't have those tricks.

Well, we have those tricks.

We just go to prison if we use them.

They don't.

They just write letters to each other telling them we're using extraordinary circumstances, extraordinary accounting measures to make sure we can pay our bills.

Now, the media is looking at this and saying, this is all Republicans' fault.

This is the fault of the Republicans.

We, for years and years and years, have come together when it comes to the debt limit.

And we've said, boys and girls, we're just going to agree that we're going to go deeper into debt.

You know, 20 years ago, we just agreed we would go deeper into debt.

And then 10 years ago, we just agreed we would go deeper into debt.

And why won't the Republicans this time just agree that we're going to go deeper into debt?

Isn't that a great solution?

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we just came together and said, yes, we'll print more money.

Yes, we'll borrow more money from China.

Yes, we'll continue this irresponsible pattern of behavior that got us to this moment.

Of course we will.

We'll agree to that over and over and over again in perpetuity.

Why would we change?

We've done it before.

That's a good question.

It's a good question.

You know, the debt limit at some level is like a hangover.

You have a late night, you drink far too many shots.

Fireball, at the moment, seemed like a good idea at 2:15 a.m.

Why not a couple of shots?

Everyone's really happy.

Everyone's into this night.

Let's go for it.

Couple more shots of Fireball.

What could possibly go wrong?

And the debt limit serves as that hangover headache that next day.

Sure, you can push through it.

Sure, you can go out drinking that next night.

If everyone just agrees to make those decisions once again, we can be back at that bar the next day at 2.15 in the morning, doing another round of fireball shots and expecting different results in the morning.

That hangover headache gives you that reminder.

The reminder to say, wait a minute, should we examine our behavior this time?

Is this the moment that maybe we should make a decision that results in us in a different place other than that bar stool?

That's what the debt limit is.

If the debt limit is just a number that we bump into and then all agree to pass it again, we're just drunks.

We are a country of drunks.

Drunks that go back to the bar and do another round after another round after another round and then regret it in the morning, but push through it

because that's just the way life is.

And guess what happens?

Eventually,

major organs that you need stop playing along.

That's where this goes eventually.

Eventually you get to a place where organs shut down

and someone's writing your obituary.

And that's not a fun place to be.

And it's funny because it doesn't even happen like that typically.

It's not like you go out one night, you have too many drinks, you have a hangover, and then you drop, you fall over.

Sometimes that does happen, and it does.

Sometimes really bad

outcomes will result from that behavior.

But usually what happens is you have warnings.

Usually what happens is you go to the doctors and they say, how much are you drinking?

Usually what happens is that that hangover costs you maybe a job one day.

Maybe your personal life starts falling apart.

Maybe

you have a test that comes back with really weird numbers that you don't understand and you realize you're in a bad physical path.

That's where we are in this country.

What do you think

this period of the last couple of years when it comes to inflation, what do you think that was?

That was, I've got this weird pain in my side and I'm not sure what it is.

Maybe I go to the doctors and the doctor says, hey, I think you've been drinking too much, buddy.

That's what this inflationary period was.

It was the body of our country, our economy, saying, guys, you've gone too far here.

You guys are drunk.

You're drunk every night.

And you better come up with a way to solve this problem

or

eventually

Down the road somewhere.

We don't know if it's six months away six years away 30 years away but sometime in the somewhat near future,

organs fail and you collapse.

And that's what the debt limit is supposed to do, to give us that reminder that, hey, if you guys don't change your behavior, this whole thing is going to fall apart.

And the media is looking at this and just saying, hey, why don't you guys just sign on?

Why don't Republicans just go along with this?

Why doesn't everyone just work together to continue our behavior?

We need the person, we need Uber to come in to get the guy to the bar.

We need the bartender to, even though he kind of realizes this guy's a regular, he drinks too much, has a real problem, let's serve him again the next day.

We need the spouse to kind of look the other way.

Everyone kind of has to look the other way while this country continues down this road of alcoholism when it comes to debt.

And the debt limit is there as our really our one opportunity to be able to do something about this problem.

Are we going to do something about it?

McCarthy is going to the White House today, and the back and forth has been fascinating.

First of all, the Democrats and the media, in unison, as usual, in lockstep, saying the exact same things as if they're on the same group text,

saying basically

the Republicans are irresponsible here.

They are causing this problem.

They should just go along with this and continue voting for the debt ceiling because we've all done it before.

We've all worked together before.

Let's continue to raise the debt ceiling with no changes whatsoever.

And Kevin McCarthy, who, by the way, you know, look, we have lots of complaints about Kevin McCarthy.

We have complaints about the way the Republicans performed in this previous election.

Should have been a bigger win.

But it is important to note that the House is under Republican control.

The people of the United States of America, not exactly in overwhelming numbers, but came to the polls and said, We want Republicans in charge.

We want them to be able to push back a little bit on the Spiden administration and what they're doing.

I think we've all internalized this massive loss from that election, and that's not entirely insane to do so, but it is also not reality.

The reality of the situation is

the

Republicans won the House.

And what can they do with that power?

They can sit back and do nothing.

They can complain about stuff, of course, and they'll do a lot of that.

But they can also, number one, do investigations, like, for example, on the origins of COVID-19, on where all of our spending went over the past few years.

When it comes to COVID, five, six trillion dollars.

How much of that was wasted?

They can do investigations like that.

And then they can do stuff like this.

They can sit back and say, hey,

we need to make some changes.

We need to change our lives.

We've been in the bar too long.

We need to change.

We need to do something to make sure our country changes the path we're on because the path we're on is destructive.

It's personally destructive behavior.

And we need to change that.

We need to do something about it.

So,

Kevin McCarthy says, Look, we want to negotiate.

We want to change some stuff.

Let's do something here that will make the future spending of this country a little bit better.

Maybe some limits here and there.

Maybe some spending cuts.

Maybe just some cuts in the spending increases.

Something.

Something to tell the American people that we're addressing this problem.

Something to say,

hey, you know what?

We're going to show up to work tomorrow after the all-night bender.

We might not be getting sober.

No one's even suggesting sobriety here.

We don't even have a party that suggests sobriety anymore.

All we're doing is saying maybe don't take the last

fireball shot before we walk out the front door of the bar.

That's all we're trying to get here.

And McCarthy says, look, I want

to be able to negotiate this.

Let's come together and find a couple things that we can agree on.

What's ridiculous?

I'll give you an example.

COVID-19 spending.

There's a bunch of extra money out there.

Extra spending.

Extra COVID-19 money.

Money that was designated for testing or whatever else.

Some of the stuff not even related to COVID.

But it's just in this big pile that states are just figuring out what to do with with now.

They're like, well, let's try stuff.

Rhode Island, you know what they're doing with it?

They have 10 million extra dollars for COVID.

You know what they're doing?

Reparations.

Slavery reparations.

They've decided to take COVID-19 money and turn it into slavery reparations.

That's where we are in this country right now.

So we have one side saying, let's negotiate.

We have one side saying, we're not going to negotiate.

You should just go along with our current path.

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So

we're looking at the debt ceiling situation.

McCarthy going to the White House today.

God only knows if Biden's going to even remain awake for this meeting.

Who knows?

But that's not even what's important here.

As you're looking at what the media is doing, it's fascinating because they're saying: number one, Republicans should just get on board.

They should just vote for these spending increases.

They should vote to go past the debt ceiling.

Just raise it.

What's the big deal?

Just raise the debt ceiling.

We don't want to risk catastrophe.

And why are we getting every, you're just supposed to go along with this.

So, therefore,

if you don't, you're just playing politics.

Now,

what we've seen over the past couple of days is a total switch.

Now,

the New York Times, the Washington Post, all these big media institutions have just started echoing, of course, yet again, as if they're on the group text,

the same thing the White House is saying, which is now they're trying to demand details from McCarthy about what they want to cut.

Now, if you're saying it's okay, if we're going to have catastrophe, if that's what we face,

why are the Republicans the only ones who have to do anything?

The Democrats are saying they, Joe Biden is saying he will not negotiate over this.

It's the most important thing in the world.

It's the most important thing any of us could ever imagine.

It could shut down our entire economy.

Also, we won't negotiate about it at all.

Also, we won't have conversations about it at all.

Also, we're going to completely ignore basic requests about how we can solve this impasse.

And the media is carrying the water for this.

They came out and said, well, of course he shouldn't negotiate.

Of course they shouldn't do that.

This is something that the left and the right always agree on.

And now they're changing their tone to say, well,

they don't even have an idea of what they want.

Well, how do you know if they have an idea about what they want unless you'll talk to them about it?

The Biden administration is saying they will not negotiate under any circumstances.

But also, can you believe these Republicans?

They don't even have a plan about what they want.

Well, what's your plan?

Your plan is to ignore everything they ask for, no matter what it is.

You've said already you will not talk to them about this stuff.

Now, you can see the walls starting to crumble a little bit here.

As this is going on today, maybe the Democrats are realizing they're in a situation where they do need to talk.

But at the end of this road, road, is, in theory at least, real economic trouble for us.

And it's silly to believe that we should go down this road.

If you just want to be able to spend whatever you want to spend, then have the balls to step up and say, we want to get rid of the debt limit completely.

Run that by voters.

See what they say.

See how that works for you in the next election.

Give it a shot.

Just say you don't want it anymore.

The left won't do that because they know how that sounds to the American people.

We don't want any credit limit.

How would that sound to American Express or Visa if you asked for it?

You know what?

And I know American Express has no preset spending limit.

Preset's pretty important there, boys and girls, in case you've decided to buy a Bugatti on your Amex.

But the bottom line is everybody's got a credit limit.

And if you want to extend that credit limit, you need to ask.

And it's okay for a credit card company to say to you, well, look, do you have a job?

Because I don't really want to raise this credit limit if you have absolutely no chance to pay this money back.

That's where we are today between

two parties, one of which is asking for pretty reasonable cuts.

The other...

I think he thinks he's having a pancake breakfast.

I don't even know what he's doing.

He'll likely fall asleep in his sausage and wake up with syrup all over his face.

We'll see how that works out today today between Biden and McCarthy.

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There's frozen water on the ground, and that means everything shuts down.

So we're having all sorts of technical difficulties.

No one can can get in and out of their homes at this point.

I mean, you can, I guess.

I mean, I just, I keep looking outside and I think to myself, this is pathetic.

I used to live in the Northeast.

I grew up in Connecticut and New York.

What is this?

What do you mean we can't?

I don't even understand it, frankly.

But this is what we have here in Texas.

We don't have salt trucks.

We don't have sand trucks.

We've got nothing.

We have no plows.

We have nothing.

So when this happens, we just turn into April 2020.

We turn into six weeks to stop the spread.

And we all just stay home and look outside and think about what life could be.

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Glenn's going to be joining us here and there with his technical situation at his home.

I mean, look, the guy, you know, pray for his financial situation.

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he's trying to do a national radio show on net zero, which went out of business, I think, 12 years ago.

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So

I'll be with you, taking you through everything today.

And one of the situations I was thinking about as I was going through the debt ceiling conversation

and thinking about how this always plays out the same way.

No matter what happens here, we're not going to be happy with it.

Certainly, if Democrats have to sign off on it, it's not going to be our utopia.

And we don't know how the Republicans will hold the line on this.

Will they actually utilize this moment to get meaningful concessions?

Or will this be like every other time?

Where, I mean, maybe I guess in the Tea Party era, you can argue there was the one time where Republicans really held the line on this and got some meaningful spending cuts, which largely did materialize for a few years.

It's one of the reasons why Obama's financial records from his administration don't look as terrible as they could have.

It's because because Republicans held the line pretty strongly on spending.

So

they did not give Obama the sort of leeway that most Democratic presidents get.

And that was one of the successes you can point to pretty clearly through the Tea Party era.

But one thing that we will do is we will look at Republicans that are already in office.

And we will say, we need to improve those Republicans.

We need to say, these guys aren't doing the job that we want them to do.

They're not holding the line on fiscal issues or anything else, and we need to do better.

And we complain about this all the time.

And typically what we do is we will primary a bunch of Republicans and then get what I think could fairly be summarized as mixed results.

Sometimes we hit home runs.

You know, Mike Lee came out of this process.

Ted Cruz came out of this process.

Rand Paul came out of this process, at least in one variation of it or another, where you get really good senators.

They come in and, generally speaking, do a really good job,

and you're happy with them for years and years and years to come.

And then there's the other side of this, where you come up with a candidate that maybe isn't so strong, or you come up with a candidate who's a big letdown, or you come up with a candidate that wins the primary and then loses the general.

Nobody wants that.

I feel like we've tried this over and over again, and we keep coming back to these same hurdles.

Hurdles that look like

catastrophe, frankly.

It means instead of having a pretty bad Republican, you wind up with a really bad Democrat.

And at some level, that might pay long-term dividends, where you get someone who's been in the seat forever out.

You got to deal with six years of a Democrat, which is terrible, but then, okay, at the end of the day, maybe you get a better candidate.

But I thought to myself,

why don't we think this out a little bit this time?

Why don't we come up with a system, a way of looking at this, that can identify the best candidates to target in primaries?

Why wait until this all plays out six months, a year down the line, and then we all realize, oh, geez, this one's not doing, this one's a great one, but this one's not doing well at all.

We should have come up with somebody else.

Why not think about this in advance?

Why not think about this as sort of a priority list?

Which candidates in the Senate should be primaried?

Because look, we can all complain about Susan Collins, and I do all the time.

We can complain about Susan Collins over and over and over again, and I do.

She's terrible as a Republican.

She is, at some level, better

than

Chuck Schumer.

Now, you might say, not enough.

She's not that much better.

And I, you know, look, I would agree, not enough.

But certainly, she will vote the right way on certain things.

We've seen, you know, some of these spending bills blocked because 50 senators, all of them, held together to block them.

You know, or, you know, with a little bit of help from Joe Manchin for a while, I guess, until he flaked.

But having 52, 53, 54, 55 senators makes a big difference.

And even if some of those aren't so great, if you're in a purple state,

maybe you can live with it.

If you're in a blue state, maybe you can live with a Susan Collins, or at least tolerate a Susan Collins.

If you primary Susan Collins and you come up with a really good conservative, there's a good chance that conservative loses in the general.

So there's three questions you really need to ask here.

Number one, which incumbent senators running for a re-election on the Republican side are the least conservative?

Identify those first.

That might be the only step we've done in the past.

I think we should go beyond that though.

The second step is if you primary them, if you spend resources and time and you get activists working on the conservative side, can you actually win the primary?

Is this task you're taking on a winnable task?

And we're just looking for the low-hanging fruit here.

What's the easy stuff to do?

What are the improvements we can make to the Republican caucus, the Republican group, that that can make the country better, to fall back to more of a conservative constitutionalist mindset?

And how can we do that through the most low-hanging fruit possible?

So,

if we primary them, can this candidate actually win the primary?

And if we find a good Republican conservative candidate, can they actually win the general if they win that primary?

That's an important step.

You need to be able to look at this and say, okay, this state is a good good target because we've got a crappy senator there already on the Republican side.

They're not all that popular in their state among Republican voters anyway.

And if we get a conservative through that primary process, they can actually win the general election.

So there are nine candidates that are running for re-election on the Republican side right now.

Nine.

Which ones are the best to take out, to go after in a primary process that you could defeat them and then win in the general election afterward.

So starting out with who's the least conservative.

What I did here, I didn't want to just say, okay, I think this person's conservative.

I don't think this person is.

I went through and looked at all the ratings agencies that kind of do this type of thing.

Conservative Review, which is, you know, they're part of this.

They've been doing this for a very long time.

They have a score.

They go after and say, how conservative are you?

FreedomWorks does this.

American Conservative Union does this.

Some others as well.

And looked at this and said, okay, let's compile all these results together.

Who is the most conservative?

Who's the least conservative?

The most conservative of the nine, according to that list, is Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz, of course, from Texas.

Next up, Marsha Blackburn, very conservative from Tennessee.

Next up, Rick Scott, third most conservative from Florida.

John Barroso from Wyoming.

We're sort of in this category here of like, these are people that, why would you want to spend lots of resources?

They're pretty much doing a good job already.

You might have your quibbles with them here or there, but they're generally speaking pretty conservative and should be our lowest priority targets here.

Next up, Deb Fisher, middle of the pack from Nebraska.

Josh Hawley from Missouri, whose voting record, you know, he makes a lot of splash in the media.

His voting record not necessarily as conservative as some might think.

Then, toward the most

towards the most vulnerable here, the ones that you would target because you believe they're the least conservative according to their voting records.

Third place, least conservative, Roger Wicker from Mississippi.

Second place, Kevin Kramer from North Dakota.

And the least conservative on the list by a pretty significant margin.

Not all that close, boys and girls.

The least conservative on the list, Mitt Romney from Utah.

Now, that's just part.

of what we're doing here.

We need to next look at if we primary them, can we win the primary?

And the way we looked at this is basically, what is the approval rating for these senators among Republicans in the state, the people who will be casting the votes in these primaries?

If they're super popular in their state, it's going to be hard to beat them.

So, where do these guys stand?

Now, just to give you a little bit of a perspective, typically these approval ratings will go between 60 and 80 percent.

Very infrequently, do you have someone who's legitimately unpopular among their own party?

60 percent is pretty bad.

80%, generally speaking, pretty good.

So here's the rundown of these nine Republicans.

Best approval rating, John Barroso, 79%.

Marsha Blackburn is at 78%.

Ted Cruz, 75%.

Kevin Kramer, 73%.

Rick Scott, 72%.

Josh Hawley, also, 72%

among Missouri Republicans.

Deb Fisher, 66%.

We're getting into rough territory here.

You shouldn't be in the 60s on this number.

This is your own party.

Roger Wicker, only 63% for Roger Wicker.

And I want to make sure you understand this.

Most of the time, these numbers are between 60 and 80%.

But who is the least popular among their own voters in the state by an incredible margin?

This is not a misprint.

This is not a mistake.

I checked it multiple times.

Approval rating for Mitt Romney in Utah among Republicans, 41%.

He's 22 points behind the entire rest of the field.

Mitt Romney is very vulnerable to primary in Utah.

And then the last question, if we win the primary, can we win the general?

So,

this is an interesting one.

What's the hardest one to

win in?

And I would say these states are all very winnable, to give you this list quickly, but Rick Scott is the hardest in Florida.

And Florida is technically a purplish state, though Ron DeSantis keeps making it look very red recently.

Ted Cruz in Texas, again, is one of the harder states to win in the general.

So really any of these candidates you can get through, just to give you the list, Rick Scott, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley, Roger Wicker.

I mean,

Mississippi is one of the hardest states to win if you can get someone through this primary.

That's how ridiculous this list is.

Deb Fisher, Mitt Romney, Marsha Blackburn, Kevin Kramer, and the easiest would be John Barroso.

But they're all easy.

These are all easy races to win if you get a candidate through the primary into the general.

So we compiled this into a big formula, ran the numbers a bunch of times, and came up with the final list.

Who should we primary?

The least interesting to primary on this list, number nine, Ted Cruz.

He's a conservative guy.

He's a red state,

and he's already popular.

Very little reason to primary Ted Cruz here.

If you don't like him, you could do this.

I mean, it's up to you.

If you want to support someone else, you you want to vote for someone else, there's no problem with that.

You make your own decisions.

But just technically speaking, the least benefit comes from primarying a Ted Cruz.

Next up, Rick Scott.

Number eight.

Seventh on the list, Marsha Blackburn.

This is this top third of the list, really solid.

There's no real reason to go after these candidates.

I think you leave them there.

The middle of the list, I would categorize as people, if you come up with a perfect candidate, if you've got someone unbelievably strong, there's no reason not to do it.

And the main reason I would say that is because you're going to win these races if you get the conservative through the primary.

So if you want to primary them, you know, if you have a good candidate in your state, go for it.

Josh Hawley is number six.

John Barroso's number five.

Deb Fisher, number four.

That's the middle of the list.

Then you get to the people that, you know what?

We can just do better.

We can frankly do better.

Number three, Roger Wicker.

Is there any reason to have a mediocre to bad voting record in a state like Mississippi?

Again, I can deal with it at some level in a state like Maine.

I can deal with, you know, the days of Scott Brown in Massachusetts.

It didn't make me happy all the time, but a Republican in Massachusetts, you take what you can get.

In Mississippi?

The bright red Mississippi, we have to deal with a mediocre voting record?

The same thing applies to Kevin Kramer in North Dakota.

Why are we not getting a real, solid constitutionalist in a state like North Dakota?

We can do better in a state like North Dakota.

You can see massive improvements in states like this if you just find the right candidate.

Doesn't have to be a perfect candidate in these states because of the fact these guys have voting records that are much worse than the other candidates.

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And it wasn't even remotely close.

Utah is a bright red state.

Any Republican should be able to win there that is competent at all.

The Republicans or Democrats tried all sorts of tricks in this past election to try to beat Mike Lee, and they still got blown out.

There's no reason to not have a great senator from Utah, Mitt Romney, the number one target in the 2024 primaries from Stu here at Stu Does America and the Glenn Beck program.

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Thanks for popping on here, Pat.

Yep, happy to be here.

There's nowhere else to go, nothing else to do.

So, you know, we might as well be on the air today.

I'm doing this from my home office and looking out our windows here.

And

my driveway is nothing but solid ice.

And out further, the street is nothing but solid ice, covered by just a little skiff of snow, so you can't see the solid ice.

So things are going really well here in Texas right now.

It's really beautiful.

I don't think outsiders

do understand

what happens here with these ice storms.

I mean, it's not like a snowstorm.

It's

really, really deadly when it does this.

It's true.

Even the day before this hit, we had some freezing on the roads and you could feel it.

I mean, people were, there was accidents all over the place.

And at some level, yes,

as a Northeasterner, I would like to just blame terrible drivers in Texas.

And I do understand that that is, it is probably part of it, people not used to driving in this stuff.

And also not prepared.

I mean, my car is

rear-wheel drive and is not equipped to go anywhere in this particular environment.

That's because, you know, 99.9% of the time, you don't have to deal with it.

So the society just has come together and said, we are going to do nothing to prepare for this.

Yeah.

So that's why we have four snow trucks and about,

I don't know, one and a half salt trucks.

So, yeah,

it's a mess.

But you mentioned Trump, and apparently, he's trying to differentiate himself a little bit with his policy toward Ukraine.

Kind of interesting.

Everybody else disagrees with him.

All the other Republicans are like,

no, that's not.

That's not how you do it.

But he says he can solve the war within 24 hours.

I

have my doubts, but he's very confident.

Very confident.

He made his last comments on Saturday in South Carolina.

He said, even now, despite tremendous loss of lives and destruction of much of that country, I would have a peace deal negotiated within 24 hours.

You can make a peace deal.

You can do a deal for both right now.

24 hours.

So 24 hours, and we're out of this thing.

That's tempting, isn't it?

It's tempting.

I mean, look, we all know that Trump makes grand statements and not always precise in the details in those statements.

But I will say, directionally, you kind of think that he would be the type of person who would be able to go in there and negotiate this.

I mean,

he's had a relatively good relationship

with both of these parties over the years.

Obviously, you know, it was one of the things that the left complained about, that

he was having dealings with Zelensky that were too close and too tight.

That's why they tried to impeach him.

So, you know, I don't know.

Could he do this?

I don't know, but I will say it's interesting that he's...

He's looking for this point to separate himself, like he did in the 2016 campaign when it came to Iraq.

You know, he was the only one out there saying we shouldn't have been in the Iraq war.

It was a disaster.

I knew from the beginning, blah, blah, blah.

And I don't know.

I mean, I think at the time that was a controversial stance among the Republican base, but I don't think this in particular is

a controversial stance.

I think the funding to Ukraine is one of those things that Republican voters have really tired of hearing about.

And they don't want to be involved in this.

They just see it as a non-stop quagmire and a way for us to be spending money for the next multiple decades.

I know I'm tired of spending $100 billion plus.

And every week, it seems, we add another several billion to it.

I mean, they just did that bill for, was it 50 or 60 billion?

And then a week later, they were doing another $2.5 billion.

Now, they put them on different ledger sheets because they're in different categories.

One is humanitarian aid, one is military aid.

One is some other kind of aid.

But to me, it's just, it's all our money going somewhere else, money that we don't have to spend.

And we've been promised by our leadership that they're going to continue to do it indefinitely.

So it's a little bit frightening.

And it's nice, it's nice at least to see somebody,

in this case, Donald Trump, actually calling for, hey, let's put an end to it.

And nobody else seems to be doing that.

Yeah, you know, and Pat, it's funny because

I spent the whole last hour talking about stuff like the debt ceiling and who to primary because our debt is so out of control.

And so

I think you and I and Glenn and a few other people seem to be the only people on the right left who care about spending anymore.

But like even

all that being said, as much as I care about spending, it's not even my top priority here when it comes to our involvement in this war.

I am much more concerned that the Biden-Harris administration is walking us closer and closer to direct conflict with Russia.

And

I don't want any part of that.

I don't have any faith that this administration can walk this line successfully.

And even if you think, hey, Ukraine

is the victim of aggression here and we want to hold this line so that Russia doesn't roll into NATO and it gets worse.

The way we're doing this, saying things like we're going to outwardly do press conferences bragging about how we're sending offensive weapons into this war to potentially and the goal being to kill Russian soldiers.

I know we wouldn't take that nicely if Russia was doing it to us.

And I expect they're not going to as well.

At some point, they're going to cross the line and say, look, we're just at war with America.

Let's admit it and let's start attacking them.

I could see that happening.

I mean, we're doing exactly what Biden said less than a year ago we would absolutely not do because it would lead to World War III.

And he said that was offensive weapons like tanks.

Well, now we're sending him 31

A1 Abrams tanks.

And

that

was exactly against what they were saying less than a year ago.

So yeah, we're sending them offensive weapons now.

This is for a big offensive that they're going to try to drive the Russians back out of

Ukraine.

And we'll see.

I mean, they're also begging us for F-16s, which I wouldn't be surprised if we caved in on that, too.

Yeah, I mean, we said over and over again we wouldn't do that.

We said we would not do a no-fly zone.

We said we would not do tanks.

I believe the quote from Joe Biden was: we would not give offensive weapons like tanks and planes and trains, which, again, I don't know of the offensive train weapon that we have.

If we do have that, I am a bit.

First of all, it sounds really cool, but it does not seem to be the smartest weapon out there.

It's like you're putting

your attack train on rails and they're going to know where it's going to go.

This is just how trains work.

And we honestly.

He did say trains.

He is so bad.

He is so stupid.

So

cognitively.

declined that he thinks a train is an offensive weapon.

I love that.

I don't know how that would work.

I mean, like, you'd know, they'd know exactly where it was going in advance.

They'd see the tracks.

They could just blow up the tracks.

It would stop it.

I mean, honestly, an offensive

bus would be more

worthwhile than an offensive train.

An offensive motorcycle, an offensive big wheel would be better than an offensive.

Yes.

Yes, it would.

Because you don't know where the big wheel is going until it gets there.

It might go slowly, but at least you don't know which way.

And I mean, what is the offensive weaponry that you put on a train?

Because I've yet to see it.

No, I know.

It is a

shocking discovery.

And I think he let go of some really important American intelligence that we've been developing train weapons.

And

we didn't even know it.

Didn't know it.

Look,

if we do have offensive trains, I actually support giving them to Ukraine because what else are we going to do with them?

We shouldn't be making them.

If we have some leftovers, they can take them if they want them.

Because you can't help but notice in America, our trains only lead to places that are still us.

So

I don't think we need them as offensive weapons.

I will say, if any administration was going to make train weapons, it would be this one.

He's always talking about being on the train.

The guy's like, he thinks he's the best friend with Mr.

Amtrak, whoever that is.

Who's been dead for about 30 years or whatever.

So, yeah.

But he has traveled 2 million miles on the train.

So he knows him.

He knows.

He had keys to the trains, Pat.

He's the only president that had keys to the trains, pretty much.

Hung out with the engineers all the time.

What a weirdo.

All right, I want to get into how this separates Trump from the rest of the field and Trump's newest tactic on COVID and the response there as it relates to DeSantis.

We'll get into that in a minute.

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We were talking about Donald Trump and his primary hopes here as he goes into 2024.

And one of the differentiating points he's made here is to say,

I want this war over with.

I don't want to keep dumping money into it.

I want this thing over with.

And a bunch of the candidates that are rumored to be getting into the race tend to be from the more hawkish side of the Republican spectrum.

You have people like John Bolton, who's basically saying he's in.

I don't think he moves on this issue whatsoever.

This is his branding.

He's the hawkish guy.

But you have people like Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, and Nikki Haley, who I think Haley's expected to get in in just a few weeks.

But all, again, I think would land on that same side, the hawkish-leaning side.

And some of them will move, some of them won't.

But I do think that Trump's positioning here with Ukraine will probably move the field.

I think people will start chasing him and starting to act like they're the ones that are most against funding this war.

The other potential people jumping in, you know, there's a whole swath of them: Ted Cruz, Christy Noam, Rick Scott, Tim Scott, Glenn Young, Ron DeSantis, of course, none of them have endorsed this sort of negotiating position with Trump and Ukraine, where he's gone with this.

Pat, do you think the where do you think the base is on this and where do you think these candidates go?

I think a good portion of the base really tired of really tired of the war

and our participation in it.

You know, like us, I think they fear that we're getting closer and closer to ground troops.

We're sending advisors.

We've got to teach them how to use these tanks.

That is

something that we started doing in Vietnam, sending advisors and trainers and

just a pre-war group of people

to help out.

And then all of a sudden, you're actually sending boots on the ground.

And that's the fear here.

And so I think the American people are tired of it.

We've just come from a 20-year war and then pulled out of it terribly.

One of the probably the worst withdrawal in the history of war on this planet.

And we left behind $85 billion worth of weaponry.

I mean, I think we're sick of it.

I think we're tired of it.

And I don't know that anybody wants to continue or to continue to get us deeper enmeshed in this mess.

Yeah, and I think you're totally right on your reading of the base.

I think that's where the voters are.

And again, that's how this primary gets decided.

So it is really important as to where they are.

When it comes to the other candidates in this race, you know, I remember back in 2015 and 2016, as we were going through that process, and Trump came out against the Iraq war.

He was one of the earliest people who might lean right that were against it.

And when he said it, it really broke a long string of

even people who were skeptical of the Iraq war, they wouldn't come out and straight criticize it as bad from the beginning.

There would be some questions about the process.

There would be questions about how we were fighting the war.

But there weren't a lot of people on the right who were saying this was a massive mistake from day one.

Trump came out and said that, and I think not only moved the other candidates in the race, but also moved the base.

He almost gave it...

gave them the okay to hate the Iraq war.

And I wonder if the same thing is happening here with Ukraine, where, you know, I think a lot of people saw Russia invading this country, and

it's still relatively popular, the funding, generally speaking, among Republicans.

I think it's 56% support right now, even in December of just a month ago.

So there's still support there, but I think when this

primary really begins, Trump is out there talking against it.

These other candidates, a lot of them will get on board speaking against the way this is being handled.

And I think that number is going to fall through the floor over the next six months to a year.

Yeah, I do too.

I agree.

But

it's, I'm not sure we were even in the same place in 2016 when Trump came along in 2015 and 2016, when he came along and started saying that he was against the war from the very beginning.

And, you know, there was some evidence against that, but still, I think he did drag some people along.

But now, here we are seven years later, and I think we're even further down that road.

So I think people have had it.

I think we want to use our military when we're attacked.

And short of that, maybe we stay out of it now.

Maybe we stop being the world's policemen.

And I think that's where a lot of people are, or certainly will be by the time

this election comes around.

Yeah.

And, you know, thinking about the actual cost of this, you mentioned the $100 billion we've poured into this effort.

And you could certainly make an argument that maybe some of the humanitarian stuff is

more defensible because we're not directly involved in a war, right?

Like we're not risking a nuclear conflict with Russia.

When you start sending tanks and training and targeting of Russian troops, you get really into dangerous territory.

And I think when you kind of step back, you say, okay, $100 billion is a lot of money.

Well, that's just the beginning.

Remember, this is just one year of this.

We've already committed to what the president is calling basically infinite spending as long as it takes.

And that does not even include the rebuilding of

this country.

When this is all over, you've got a bunch of piles of rock that used to be called cities.

And these cities will be rebuilt by somebody.

And guess who's going to carry a large portion of that price tag?

Us.

It will be us.

There's no question about that.

And have you seen the photos and the videos of what's happened in Ukraine?

I mean, that country has been decimated.

It is going to take a massive rebuild into the trillions of dollars.

And yes,

that burden is going to mostly fall to us.

Zelensky's already said they don't have the money for it.

Yeah.

And the fact that, again, like, I know this is a tough situation for them.

I understand, but like, the fact that that's how they say it, they basically demand all of these things, and we're like, okay.

I mean, it's a proxy, it's a proxy war, and this is not a surprise to Vladimir Putin.

This is not a surprise to Medvedev.

This is not a surprise to their oligarchs.

They all see it.

They all know we're involved in this.

And we're all playing this game where, of course, we don't want to annihilate each other and the world ends.

So we're all playing, we're kind of walking this line.

And this dance is the sort of dance that Joe Biden is incapable of continuing successfully.

At some point, we're going to cross this line and it's going to get a lot uglier.

I just hope we don't see that day.

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First, thank you, Stu, for taking the first half of the program.

I appreciate it.

We want to talk, continue our conversation here on the candidates.

You know, we just went through where Donald Trump has some real credibility with ending wars.

And I'm not sure where DeSantis, you know, I haven't seen proof of DeSantis in action.

We have seen it with Donald Trump.

But let's talk about COVID now.

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a little understanding here with what we're trying to accomplish here.

And what's interesting about what Trump is doing is

he, I think, sees appropriately

a potential weak point for his run in the COVID response stuff.

You know, people remember going back to March and April of 2020, you know, when you heard the phrase, two weeks to stop the spread, the person standing on the stage was Donald Trump.

And I think everybody has some sort of remembrance of that.

And I think you're going to see candidates in the field try to go to Trump's right, if you will, and say

Donald Trump was the guy who had Anthony Fauci standing by his side, who had Dr.

Burke standing by his side, who told us two weeks to stop the spread, who then told us after those two weeks were over, another month to stop the spread.

Obviously, there's a lot of criticism over the vaccines among the Republican base.

And Trump has kind of held the line there and said, look, these things were great and they saved a bunch of lives.

Does the base agree with that?

And again, it matters what the base agrees with because they're the ones who are going to make these decisions.

So

how do you handle that if you're Donald Trump?

You can kind of see the first

steps in his approach as he was talking on the plane the other day where he said, look, you know, a lot of these governors are out there bragging about their COVID responses.

You know, Florida shut down.

Florida shut down.

People forget this.

Florida shut down.

I think what he said was a lot longer than some of the others.

And,

you know, in sort of normal Trump fashion, there's some truth to that.

It's probably exaggerated.

I mean, I think you look at the DeSantis response to COVID, and most people on the conservative side of the spectrum look at it as a good response.

So here's the

problem that I have with Donald Trump:

he is the guy who suspended, However, however, in his favor,

I give everyone a pass.

Well, except for Fauci, because of what he knew was going on according to documents.

I give almost everybody a pass that everybody was trying to do the right thing.

Everybody was

10 days to slow the spread.

I give you a pass on.

However, it should have not been mandatory.

It should have been,

we believe, 10 days to

stop the spread is advisable.

Shouldn't have been a mandatory thing.

That comes from the World Economic Forum.

That comes from the Treasury Department

and event, what was it, 201 or 203,

the strategy planning done by the WEF and the Bill Gates Foundation and all of that.

They had this plan.

They walked it into the president.

Never been done before.

Shouldn't have been done.

If you are a constitutionalist, you would have said, no.

Donald Trump is not necessarily a constitutionalist, although he's better than most, it seems, at times.

I wonder if DeSantis would have done it, because he did close down the state.

But again, in the beginning, I give everybody forgiveness.

DeSantis and Trump alike, but there comes a point to where you got to say, okay, this was really bad.

We shouldn't ever do that again.

And I haven't heard that from Donald Trump.

Have you?

I think we've heard a little bit of that.

We've heard bits and pieces of that,

though I still think he's out of step with a base on some of it.

What's fascinating is really the argument for DeSantis and his response is very similar to the argument to Donald Trump and his success, right?

Like if you like Trump's response, what you would say is he turned on these restrictions relatively quickly.

Now, he turned slower than DeSantis did.

Remember, Donald Trump was out there criticizing Brian Kemp, who was really the first one, at least in that area, to

turn around on those restrictions.

You know, I think you could look at people like Christy Noam in South Dakota.

Iowa was another state that never closed down.

But, you know, again, when you look at the spectrum of responses, both Trump and DeSantis would be, I think, on the right side of that for most conservatives.

So like they're trying to needle, I mean, DeSantis has not participated in this criticism yet, but like they will eventually be needling each other on this response.

And really, you know, it's it is, I think there are definitely parts to criticize of Trump's response.

DeSantis' response, I think, was more standard for Republicans.

And both of them stood up pretty strongly eventually and got to that point where they said, look, this is wrong and we should not be doing this.

The question with Trump is one of his weak points is going to be he went through his entire administration with Anthony Fauci there.

And, you know, everyone looks at Fauci as the center point of this.

And over and over and over again, every one of his competitors in this primary are going to show pictures of Donald Trump sitting there praising Anthony Fauci, standing next to him, Fauci praising Trump.

All that stuff really happened.

That wasn't a dream, even though it seems like it at this point.

I don't think that's going to matter to people who would vote for for Trump.

If

Trump

stands up at some point, I want to hear both of them say this.

Look, we did the best we could.

We took the advice we could.

We were in an emergency situation.

We didn't know then what we know now.

However, the most important thing we learned is you cannot do these style things.

It should never happen again.

And we should be passing laws to make sure it never happens again.

We all gave everyone the benefit of the doubt, Fauci, and we gave the benefit of the doubt to our pharmaceutical companies.

Everybody stepped up.

We didn't know at the time, and I'd like to hear Rick and or sorry, Ron and Donald Trump say this,

that we didn't know at the time that there were deals with the government and the pharmaceutical companies.

We didn't know at the time time that gain of function research was going on and is still going on.

So I want to have a frank and open, honest discussion and really hearing on everything that happened.

But the first step is we are to never, ever, the federal government

close down businesses and close everything down from the federal level.

People were already isolating before we did it.

We're not going to do that ever again, and we are going to make sure that it never happens again through legislation.

That's what I want to hear.

Yes, I think we need to do that, and through the courts as well.

We need to get all these things on record and lock down through the court system to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Glenn, can I ask you a couple of non-binding prediction questions for the future?

I'm not going to hold you to these.

I'm not going to hold you to these.

I'm not going to say you were an idiot for getting these wrong.

I just want your vibes at this very moment.

Okay.

Okay.

So we know we have DeSantis and Trump in this back and forth here at the top of the primary.

Likely, there will be a third person who at least has a run at some point.

Someone who gets, I don't know, into double digits in a few polls, maybe puts some pressure on one of the two candidates, maybe passes one of the two candidates and has an outside chance of winning.

Let me give you some names of people who are being thrown around right now.

Tell me who you think your number three is in this race right now.

You've got John Bolton, Mike Pompeo,

Mike Pence,

no.

Nikki Haley.

No.

Ted Cruz?

No.

Christy Noam?

Maybe, but I lean towards no.

Okay.

Rick Scott from Florida.

Maybe, but I lean towards no.

Tim Scott, South Carolina.

Um.

That's the first first one that I think is like, yeah, probably, it could be, yeah.

Maybe, okay.

Glenn Yunkin from Virginia.

No.

No.

I hope to God not.

You're

that down on Yunkin already?

No, I mean, I just,

I want to see governors that are leading

like

Ron DeSantis is.

I want to see governors.

understand and verbalize the country is on fire

and we are building a barricade around our state.

It's why I'm sorry, but I don't give Texas, I give Texas a hard time, and I think they deserve it.

They are acting like it's business as usual, maybe a little dicey.

This isn't a rainstorm.

This is a category seven hurricane.

What are we doing?

I want to see governors who have actually taken hard stands and are continually moving the ball forward.

Not playing where at least we're not them, and certainly not playing defense.

I want somebody on the offense.

And you mentioned Texas, and Greg Abbott's another one you throw in there.

I assume you would say no on him.

No.

Larry Hogan, Liz Cheney from the left has been rumored as well.

No.

So really, no one there that you think, there's no one obvious.

All these people are very low in the polls.

Tim Scott is the one you maybe said had potential as a non-profit.

Yeah, I think there's

predicting any of this stuff at this point is

crazy.

That's why it's non-binding.

That's why I non-binded you.

Yeah, well, because this is this literally all of this stuff could change overnight.

We could

be without power in 2024.

We could also be the king of the world with some new Bitcoin in 2020.

We have no idea what is coming.

This is the most unstable the world has been in my lifetime.

I cannot think of another time that is more unstable than it is right now.

So

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Texas is insane.

Everything stops.

There's not, I mean, I'd be out there in the front with salt shakers.

And that's like, that's it.

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You're not clearing any of the ice.

It hasn't snowed here, but we have about half an inch of ice on all of the roadways.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't you feel like you're in nursery school?

I mean, it's like nowhere else, nowhere else in America does this happen.

And you're like, I'm out.

And it happens every year.

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no one goes out.

I know.

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Yeah, it's horrible.

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So broadcasting from my barn, which does not look like Stu's porno palace at his house.

I don't even know what that is, Stu.

It's my wife's podcast studio.

It's a weird studio.

I don't know what your wife is talking about on your podcast.

It's weird.

It's weird.

Lisa Peach made me do a podcast.

It's very girly.

But I will say it does have a very fluorescent sign behind me.

And yes, that is a little

not normally where you see your news talk host broadcasting from.

No, it's not.

No, it's not.

Well, look at where you are.

You said it was a barn.

That does not look like a barn to me.

All I see, I see cars behind you.

That's a barn to you as a person who's never done outdoor work in his entire life.

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Yeah, well,

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When you change something,

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That's how the transition really, really.

I remember it was about a week before I finished, and I thought to myself, I am five days away from fundamentally transforming this barn.

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Point made, Stu.

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Stu,

we got to get, I don't know if you know this, but there was a raid happening, I think, this morning with the FBI again at

Joe Biden's place.

What?

Is happening?

What is so strange?

Yeah, and it's funny because as much as like, if you're going to raid Donald Trump's house over the stuff, you probably should raid Joe Biden's house over the stuff.

Though I will say the precedent of the FBI raiding sitting and former presidents' homes is not a good one.

Not a good one.

No.

So we'll get to Jason on this, who's been watching it this morning.

Also,

there was already another raid at Joe Biden's house that you never heard about.

Never heard of it.

Happened in November.

The White House, we're being completely transparent.

Lied.

Lied to the American people.

Is anybody going to care?

Does anyone care about any of this stuff?

I think the answer is yes, but we don't think anything's going to be done.

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um give me uh give me the update on what is happening now with joe biden and the fbi

hello glenn well i'm sure everyone's seeing this all over twitter and there's like aerial cams from helicopters going over uh president biden's house right now, and they're live streaming the FBI raiding his house looking for these classified documents.

Did everyone see that?

No, they're not treating it the same way that they did.

And this is amazing.

They've been in their house.

Sources told CNBC, I think, were the first to report this.

It was a very small story.

I didn't hardly see anyone reporting on it.

But they've been there.

The FBI just recently took a look at his DC think tank office.

That took them around 12 hours.

So I'm assuming they're going to be there probably all day.

This is really unprecedented.

Stu mentioned this earlier, what they're opening this up, the precedent that it opens up here.

And the reason why is because you're looking at

a weaponized Department of Justice and FBI.

And I think when you look at this on a timeline, I think this

is covering up is one of the biggest election interferences in American history.

Can I explain that, Glenn?

Yes.

Can you?

I can.

So when we first heard about this, when the timeline started materializing,

Biden's lawyers found classified docks at the D.C.

think tank office on November 2nd.

Why did we not hear anything then?

Because that was

in the very middle of the hoop law surrounding Trump and the raid in Mar-a-Lago.

Why didn't we hear about this update?

Well, just six days later, we're the midterms.

They couldn't let it go because what we all know was that the raid at Mar-a-Lago was just a big political stunt.

That's all it was.

They were losing hardcore in the polls.

They knew that they were about to take a big defeat in the midterms.

They needed a whammy.

And that whammy was the raid on Donald Trump's house.

That's what it was.

We all knew what it was.

Now we're seeing it materialize.

That's exactly what was going on.

Well, one day later, the DOJ, on November ninth, the DOJ and the FBI decided, you know what?

I think we should look at these classified documents found in his home.

I think maybe it could have been a violation of federal law.

We're going to look into it.

Oh, really?

A day after the midterms, now you're going to decide.

But because of the slow drip process, we didn't even hear about that.

We only just now heard about that just a few weeks ago.

And now that the FBI is now moving on some of these places, we're starting to see that the FBI is completely boxed in.

They've been caught.

They were outed in this scheme to work with the Democrats to tank Republicans, to tank Donald Trump.

And now they're like, okay, well, crud, we have to move.

We have to do a raid.

We have to get involved and show that, hey, at least we're taking this seriously.

Will they eventually, in the end?

Highly doubt it, because this has been a sham since the beginning.

All right.

So,

here's a couple of questions.

First,

you didn't touch on what CBS News has just reported, that the FBI conducted another undisclosed search of the Penn Biden Center back in November.

I think that you might have just mentioned that

in passing here.

They knew that

these

were

in existence.

They knew this was a problem.

But they go and they raid it, and the White House hasn't ever talked about it.

The White House is telling America that they're very, very transparent.

They're cooperating 100%.

Who is shutting down the information?

Who is

there a single journalist that would like to win?

Well, you're not going to win a Pulitzer because you have to lie to win one of those.

Is there anybody that cares enough about the truth, no matter where it falls, that they're going to tell the truth?

No,

we just found out about that raid that you just mentioned this week.

We found about it this week.

It happened way back then.

I mean, you remember when all of this, it was almost kind of like a drip process when they went to move on Trump.

Remember the remember how investigative these journalists were being?

They were looking at torn-up notes and

toilet bowls.

That's like they were like, oh, exclusive.

We found these torn-up notes.

Look how careless he is.

Then we start finding out about these classified docs at Mar-a-Lago.

That's the lengths they were willing to go.

All of this stuff, like you have lawyers involved within the Biden administration.

You have the DOJ involved, the FBI involved.

Going back months, and not a single journalist knew a thing about it.

All right.

So, of course, that's not true.

So, Jason, tell me,

what do you think is happening?

Why would the FBI be raiding his house yet again?

Why would they be doing this today?

Well, I seriously think that, I mean, this could point toward, because we know that it was a two-pronged reason for raiding Mar-a-Lago and Donald Trump.

One,

it was a heck of a pre-October surprise for the midterm election.

That's one.

I think that was one of the biggest things.

And the second, they actually wanted to prosecute him.

They did not want him to run for president again in the next election.

That was a big thing.

Now, I don't think that anyone on the left wants Joe Biden to run again in 2024.

I do not think they want him.

He's vulnerable now, but so is Trump.

I think right now they're kind of like gambling.

Well, yes, we open them both up to prosecution.

They'll both be vulnerable.

But do we care?

Nah, I don't think they care.

I think now they're kind of like cutting their losses and they're looking towards who actually they can find that's electable.

I don't think they have too many people that are electable.

But I think that they see the vulnerability of Joe Biden.

That's a bonus for them.

And they're going to continue with the vulnerability of Donald Trump.

They're going to make it a good thing.

This is banana republic.

This is banana republic stuff.

You don't go in and raid a sitting president's home.

You don't do it.

We've never, ever done anything like this.

We've never did it with Donald Trump.

Now they're going and raiding a sitting president's home.

That's fine if we had a Justice Department that we trusted, but we don't.

We know they're not after real justice.

So that leads you to

what is it that they're after?

This becomes extraordinarily dangerous for a republic.

If your Justice Department is corrupt and the deep state is in charge, and they can just take any president and go into their house and raid it and

charge him on things that Hillary Clinton Clinton didn't go to jail for.

Nobody went, I can't believe I'm actually kind of defending Joe Biden here

because I'm defending the process.

You should have done this from the beginning.

Now they're using this as a political tool, I fear, because the biggest tool is Hunter Biden.

And the things that are coming out about Hunter Biden are really, really damaging.

It looks, what was it, yesterday, Jason, we had the story about

Hunter setting up the biotech labs, the bioweapons labs in Ukraine.

He was the guy who helped start that and helped fund that.

What's that all about?

I mean, I think the further we start seeing

the Ukraine stuff, the business dealings with Hunter Biden and the rest of his family, and why they were so like hyper-focused on Ukraine and why now they are so hyper-focused on making sure that

everything is secure there.

They got to make sure that all of those skeletons are completely buried.

I don't even think that we're,

we probably haven't even scratched the surface.

I mean, we've covered burisma in detail.

Now we're getting hints of this.

Those are the things we know.

What do we not know that they had their fingers in?

I mean, this is getting absolutely insane.

You know, the thing that bothers me so much is the amount of money that has gone over there because we we know most of it has not gone to the front lines.

We've had people on the front lines who would verify this.

We're not seeing an influx of things.

Where are all those things going?

You're seeing 10 politicians had to step down because they were taking the aid and funneling it towards their families, et cetera, et cetera.

10 politicians.

We're not monitoring anything.

And I think this is a huge payoff.

Did you see that it was, what was it, $2.5 billion,

They say

was given out during the PPP program that shouldn't have been given out, all went to corruption.

$2.5 billion.

Do you know politically what could be done with a billion dollars, $10 billion?

If this money is being funneled nefarious places, which is the only way dirty money ever goes, it's not like it goes to the church.

This money is being funneled somewhere.

Where?

Who is using that money for what kind of a global campaign?

Where's that money's influence being felt?

We need to know this.

Jason,

is it your belief at this point

that the government is going to move on Joe Biden more than this?

Well,

I kind of do because I don't think that I don't really see an out for the DOJ and FBI on this.

I really don't.

I mean,

they've already, you know, the grenade they dropped with Trump and now all the revelations that are coming out about Biden, I just don't see how they can, I mean, they're going to try and minimize and, you know, make it seem more benign what Biden did.

I saw that in just some of the early reporting on the raid today, or the FBI search today,

they were trying to say that, you know, oh, Joe Biden is in full cooperation with the FBI and, you know, more than happy to let the FBI search his home today.

There's no difference between that and what Donald Trump did.

He was in cooperation with the FBI.

He allowed them access.

They went and looked.

They searched through the file folders, looked at everything, and said, hey, Mr.

President, you should probably put a padlock on that door.

Okay, so he did it.

What is the the difference?

Really?

What is the difference?

There is no difference, but you can already see them, you know, they're calling their shot right now that they're going to try and make this look more benign.

They'll probably end up saying that, okay, we find no criminality here.

For some weird magic trick, we find criminality with Donald Trump.

But in the end,

they're both vulnerable

with the ultimate.

So

do you think there's a chance that this is - because this is what I'm hearing from people.

The left is done with the Bidens.

And so now this is all coming from the deep state, and they're just going to destroy him and his family.

Yeah.

And Glenn, just a real quick point on just how deep this deep state is right now and how much they are outing themselves.

I mean, just look at the DOJ and the FBI.

Look at what they did to the pro-life activists, you know, the hook was just exonerated.

But can you believe that?

That the DOJ actually, they knew they did not have a case, Glenn.

They They knew they did not have a case.

They knew how flimsy it was.

He wasn't even blocking that entrance.

This other activist went towards a hook,

basically ran him down the street.

And then he had,

as per in the court, the Planned Parenthood CEO admitted that this guy had those issues before.

He had been confronting people out on the street, which they're told not to do before.

So the DOJ knew they didn't have a case.

But what did they do?

They still went because it was retaliation.

Their flagship banner issue, Roe v.

Wade, had gotten overturned.

So they wanted to deliver a gut punch.

Had nothing to do with justice, but they are weaponized.

I mean, this, on top of what's going on with Biden and Trump right now, there's the deep state right there.

They are fully weaponized and they're coming after you.

Yeah, and that's what disturbs me.

Yesterday, we had a guy who filed a lawsuit here in Texas against the ATF on

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And

the ATF said that those are absolutely legal.

They've been legal for years, blah, blah, blah.

Now, through a stroke of a pin, not Congress or anything else, they decide that that's a felony to own one of those.

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So the clock started running yesterday.

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They may not get away with this, but what they're doing when you say weaponizing, there's two things that people have to understand.

How a

national socialist kind of takeover usually happens is they make so many things through regulation illegal that almost everybody's in violation of something.

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They will arrest you, even if they know nothing's going to happen.

They want to to make people's lives miserable through the system.

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The guy that I think should be the one to save America from the peril that is Mitt Romney and primary him in Utah is Sean Reyes.

He is the Utah Attorney General, a good friend, and a very good man.

Welcome to the program.

Sean, how are you, sir?

I'm doing so well, Glenn.

How are you doing?

Good.

You know, we don't deal with snow in Texas like you do in Utah.

So my apologies for the cancellation earlier.

And we are just

a city at least.

Dallas is

like, it's worse than it was with COVID.

Nobody can move because of the ice on the streets.

But so, thank you for your patience.

Sean,

there was something that the Biden administration announced in November,

and this is so insidious.

And Joe Biden said that he wanted regulation now to be able to force everybody's retirement fund into ESG-style

funds.

That could dramatically impact the

retirement accounts of millions of Americans.

You have put together 25 states, the attorney generals, and you have filed a lawsuit

against the Biden administration and trying to get that repealed.

Tell me about it.

Yeah, Glenn, we've filed Utah versus Walsh

with 24 other states, just like you said, because the Biden administration is trying to implement a rule that is immoral, it is irresponsible, and it is totally illegal.

And the reason it's illegal is that ERISA, which is the federal law that requires investment managers of private benefit plans like 401ks that you have, that I have,

to pick investments based solely on financial reasons to benefit the plan and maximize value for beneficiaries.

That's their fiduciary duty.

We call it the exclusive purpose test.

And this new Biden rule, which, by the way, as you said, they tried to sneaky, really sinister pass this rule and hope that no one would notice,

Kind of like they did the last time we had to sue the Department of Labor on OSHA vaccine mandates.

You remember that.

And we took that to the Supreme Court and won.

And we'll do the same here if we need to, because this is yet another existential threat from ESG.

So this new Biden rule allows asset managers for these plans to abandon their fiduciary duty and become instead woke investment activists for ESG.

Glenn, this rule puts at risk over $12 trillion,

$12 trillion of private retirement funds for 152 million hardworking Americans.

The whole civilian workforce in America, Glenn, is 165 million at last count.

So it just shows you the scale of the impact that this rule would have.

And again, it weaponizes and politicizes the role of asset managers at a time when 401ks are already taking major hits due to the economic downturns and high inflation from this administration.

It is insane, Lud.

So, Sean, this doesn't mandate that they have to buy ESGs.

It just allows them to

put aside their fiduciary responsibility, which is insane.

Insane.

Yeah, you're right.

It doesn't mandate.

And it's funny that you say it that way because that was the defense that the DOL administration put forth for why this is still acceptable.

We're not mandating illegal conduct.

We're only allowing illegal conduct.

It's perverse the way that

they put it forward.

Oh, okay.

Well, as long as it's not mandated,

it's okay.

But we've seen the reality is, and you've talked about this on your show a lot, and thank you.

God bless you for being such a voice of reason, a loud voice in pushing back on this ESG

insanity because ESG funds are largely underperforming and they aren't getting that

net zero.

They should be looking at, by the way, technologies that are actually profitable and don't cause more environmental impact.

You have one right now in your state and mine.

It's a Utah-based company.

I'm going to throw it out.

You can have them on the show another time, but Omnis Energy is about to make a huge announcement in Texas about really clean energy that will give U.S.

the energy dominance it deserves.

And many of Texas's most prominent business leaders are committed to this technology.

So I'm teasing it a little bit.

Oh, I think I know what this is.

When do they announce that?

It's coming.

It's coming within days or weeks.

And you know some of the principles.

Oh, this is really

this this is going to be an exciting announcement this is going to be really good we'll we'll we'll let you in on that on the show I've I've known about this for a couple of months and been waiting and waiting and waiting and I'm excited to hear that it's actually I don't want to take their filter and I know but but

you know what there are Glenn there are other technical reasons and I just want to throw this out to any of the lawyers out there who who are questioning okay what what is the basis and why is it illegal in addition to it violating the fiduciary responsibilities?

There are other factors.

It violates the major questions doctrine because it has vast economic impact, and the DOL actually doesn't have the authority to do this.

It's arbitrary and capricious.

And it also,

another thing that we didn't really talk about a lot is that it allows proxy voting, again,

in a way that

prevents them from or requires them from

living up to their fiduciary responsibilities.

So there's a proxy element here, too, which is another aspect of ESG that is pernicious.

And again, they're so brazen.

This audacity of woke

is unbelievable, right?

Sean, I will tell you, we have been fighting ESG with ESG legislation

through wall builders and David Barton and you know I've been up at different states talking about it and and they have really mounted an effort in I think about 30 states are considering legislation.

I have been working with another organization for the last I mean we've been working with them for at least eight months but we found out some things that

that they were doing to undermine the protection for the people.

And just a quick side note: I'm going to be making an announcement about that very well-known foundation

and what they've been doing.

We've tried to give them several months to

clarify and rectify the problem they haven't.

And tomorrow's program, I'm going to be telling you something quite shocking and very, very disappointing

on a foundation that

has a long legacy and heritage

that

you're going to be disappointed in.

Anyway, so

let me ask you, on the ESG front,

is anyone that you know protecting, because this is the problem with this, this hurts everybody, including the little guy.

This is not just the energy sector.

This is everybody, especially the little guy is going to get hurt on this.

Are you seeing any real forward momentum at all on protecting the little guy in the S and the G?

Or

are people still just worried about the E?

No, absolutely.

We've pushed back on some of the S and the G, and let me talk about that.

Before I do, thank you for your partnership with David.

He is doing, he's a warrior out there.

And the work that you all are doing, Glenn, you deserve credit with the legislatures is important.

And Congress has a role to play, and they're trying to push back through a resolution.

But the AGs,

speaking of warriors, and you have an incredible one there in Texas, my colleague Ken Paxton, he is co-filing this with me.

So, Texas, Louisiana, Jeff Landry, and the Commonwealth of Virginia, Jason Miaris, and all these other AGs, they're the ones.

You call us often the last line of defense, and we are pushing back for the little guy, not just on the E, but on the S and the G.

There was not too long ago an insurance issue that came up, which they were trying to pass a law that would require the insurance company to violate numerous state laws in the guise of being more diverse, right?

And it actually would require the insurance company, this rule,

to consider race

in terms of

assessing risk.

and issuing insurance, which blatantly, on its face, violates a number of state laws.

So we pushed back on that.

So people think that the ESG is only the E.

There's definitely the S and the G part of it.

And we'll continue as AGs to push back on all of that because, as you said so eloquently, it hurts the little guy.

It hurts everyone.

And I want to be clear, Glenn, we're not saying you can't invest your money, your own money,

and be a social warrior and activist.

We're saying when you have a fiduciary duty to invest other people's money, you can't do that.

Right, right.

Can you help me on one thing unrelated to this?

Sean, the rule went in two days ago now for the pistol braces.

And the ATF says if you have a gun with pistol braces, you have to apply for a tax stamp.

And, you know, that's a year-long process if you're lucky.

But you are going to be a felon within 120 days, even if you're in the process of the tax stamp.

And so they're saying, turn your gun in.

Well, I know a lot of people that have these guns.

They were perfectly legal until they just decided to, you know,

just change the regulation on their own.

What should somebody do?

I know there's a lawsuit that was just filed yesterday here in Texas, but

should we wait for this to play out in the court?

What should you do?

Are we going to be felons if you have those guns?

I'm going to assault on our our Second Amendment rights.

And, you know, I just was just at SHOT Show

recently in Las Vegas, and we were talking about this.

You know, many good American companies and even

foreign companies that support the Second Amendment.

Here is,

I think, a practical

solution, Glenn.

If I were you in any state where you have a good attorney general who understands

Constitution, I would reach out to their office and ask for advice and also see if they are joining us in being able to push back against these rules and encourage them to do that.

Because, as you pointed out,

the average citizen is now caught in this no man's land, and it's a precarious place

to be,

my friend.

Thank you for having me on.

I know it's is crazy right now with the weather conditions, but I really so wanted to talk to you about the ESG and the Second Amendment issues and everything else going on there.

You are an incredible warrior champion for us.

Sean, I appreciate everything you're doing.

You're really one of the good guys, and there's probably 15, 20 of them out there that are in as attorney generals that are just diehard.

And you are one of the real leaders of that group, and I appreciate it.

And good luck running against Mitt Romney in in the primary.

Anyway,

Sean Reyes, the Attorney General for the great state of Utah.

We'll talk again, my friend.

Okay, maybe he may not talk to me after that.

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Now, remember, this program was accused by everyone on the left and all media of being conspiracy theorists because we told you ESG will come to your bank and your retirement and everything else, and we were called conspiracy theorists.

Well, now all GOP senators and Manchin as well are challenging Biden's ESG climate investment rule.

They are trying to shoot it down from the Senate.

We'll watch and see what happens.

There's another story as well.

Heroin is no longer a crime in Vancouver.

And they're trying to legalize heroin and fentanyl all across Canada.

So no more problems are going to be happening up in Canada, I'm sure.

And also, don't forget, tonight, usually our Wednesday night special, we have to rerun

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We have a big show for you tomorrow that you don't want to miss on radio.

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