Ep 171 | Modern Scottish Warrior Goes 'BRAVEHEART' on Elites | Neil Oliver | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Speaker 1 to blame the rest of us for climate change. Then their media lackeys attacked anyone who dared to call them out.

Speaker 1 With a tone of disgust, the Associated Press announced, as the elites arrive in Davos, conspiracy theories thrive online.

Speaker 1 CBS reported that, quote, as elites gather in Davos, conspiracy theories gain traction online. Then there was CNN that warned, Davos conspiracy theories used to live in fringe corners of the internet.

Speaker 1 Now they've gone mainstream. Wow.

Speaker 1 I mean, one would say it was almost like they were getting marching orders in a memo.

Speaker 1 The words of the German philosopher

Speaker 1 ring true here. The power of an ideology is not only measured by the answers it could provide, but by the questions that it is able to suppress.
End quote. Today's guest takes that as a challenge.

Speaker 1 This is an amazing, amazing man from Scotland. He has

Speaker 1 undergone quite a metamorphosis over the last couple of years. He realizes that the people promising solutions

Speaker 1 are really the same people responsible for the problems. As Einstein said, the people who created the problems cannot fix the problem.

Speaker 1 He called the lockdowns the biggest mistake in world history. And this man happens to know history.
He's a history enthusiast. He once described Klaus Schwab as a ludicrous parody of a movie villain.

Speaker 1 I mean, I think this guy is like a brother because

Speaker 1 I've said Klaus Schwab is just a white kitty cat away from a bond villain. Same thing.
Before becoming a political lightning rod, he was an archaeologist.

Speaker 1 He was a historian, an author, and a TV presenter.

Speaker 1 He did all kinds of

Speaker 1 documentaries.

Speaker 1 I think, over in England, I think it's for the BBC because don't they do all of it over there?

Speaker 1 He did programs about Cleopatra and Vikings and battlefields and Scottish history.

Speaker 1 What changed

Speaker 1 is when he spoke up against COVID and lockdowns and vaccines. It's cost him a lot, even friends.
But he's a Scot. He's outspoken about the erosion of rights.

Speaker 1 As he said in a recent monologue, merely to live is not enough, not nearly. What matters is to live in freedom.

Speaker 1 Even told one of our producers that he believes he and I are brothers from another mother. You'll have to decide for yourself.
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Speaker 1 Neil, how are you?

Speaker 2 Hello, Glenn Beck. I am fine.
Thank you for asking. How are you?

Speaker 1 I'm very good. I don't know if you sent the memo or I sent the memo, but we seem to be dressed almost.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I thought we're kind of like brothers from different mothers in some ways. Mothers.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, well, we're in tune, certainly. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I will tell you that

Speaker 1 I'm fascinated by you. I love people.

Speaker 1 who, and it's very rare, I love people who

Speaker 1 are strong in their opinion and they know what their opinion is, and then new information comes along and they're like, well, I have to reevaluate.

Speaker 1 That does not happen in today's society, but it's happening more and more.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, in America,

Speaker 1 you're maybe not as well known as you are over

Speaker 1 in the UK.

Speaker 1 But you are an archaeologist, you are

Speaker 1 a very logical man, and you are now,

Speaker 1 you've gone from,

Speaker 1 you you know stability and the man to I think he might be crazy

Speaker 1 what happened yes

Speaker 2 it's a good question that will take a bit of unpacking and answering

Speaker 2 yeah I am I went to university in the 80s I've got a degree in archaeology I worked in that field for a while then I retrained as a journalist working in newspapers local newspapers local weekly newspapers for a few years

Speaker 2 long story short I stumbled into television in the early 2000s and I made from that time onwards for about 15 years quite soft documentaries about archaeology, about history,

Speaker 2 celebrating landscape, meeting interesting people along the way. Nice soft celebratory television.

Speaker 2 And then I did go through an evolution, I suppose, around the start of or even before COVID's advent and the lockdowns, and all the rest of the madness.

Speaker 2 I think I've put my head above the parapet a few times. Back in 2014,

Speaker 2 there was a referendum held in Scotland to decide whether or not Scotland would remain part of the Union of the United Kingdom or strike out as an independent country.

Speaker 2 I put my head above the parapet in favour of maintaining the union.

Speaker 2 I like Britain and said so, which made me a lightning rod for all kinds of criticism from the other side, those who fervently wanted Scottish independence.

Speaker 1 Hold on just a second, but it had me as a target.

Speaker 1 It wasn't really Scottish independence. The choice was England or stay with the EU, which is worse, I think.

Speaker 1 Right?

Speaker 2 Well, yes, you raise a good point because amongst the arguments that I subsequently went on to make, and I wasn't alone in doing this,

Speaker 2 it seemed to me me that the analogy would be: if you wanted to get divorced from your overbearing partner, might it not make sense to just be on your own,

Speaker 2 at least for a while,

Speaker 2 where what was being proposed by the Scottish National Party was a quickie divorce and then scuttle down the aisle as fast as possible to marry Europe, an even more overbearing partner. Because

Speaker 2 having broken

Speaker 2 with the rest of the UK,

Speaker 2 Scotland would have been out of the European Union in every way and would have had to reapply and would have been seeking to rejoin as an independent country, which would have been bedivilled by problems, not least the fact that countries like Spain

Speaker 2 with the Basque separatists and Catalonia and the rest

Speaker 2 were not likely to be receptive to a separatist secessionist country joining because it would set a precedent that might have been uncomfortable. Anyway, long story short, yes,

Speaker 2 it didn't make sense to me that you would break one marriage only to get married again into even more

Speaker 2 repressive circumstances, even less independence.

Speaker 2 More distance. It didn't strike me as independence at all.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I mean, you just, if you don't like being told what to do by a distant and overbearing partner, why on earth would you swap London for you know, for for the European Union?

Speaker 2 It didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 2 Yes, so

Speaker 2 that was the first time I put my head up, and I remained in trouble ever after

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 that debate never went away. You know, the referendum settled it.
The union was maintained by a vote of 55% to 45%.

Speaker 2 But that said, the call for another referendum has never gone away.

Speaker 2 Then

Speaker 2 I was still in the public eye, I suppose, but

Speaker 2 as nothing really compared to what happened subsequently, I put my head up again around the time of the Black Lives Matter protests, which started with you guys and then eventually went everywhere.

Speaker 2 And here in Britain, it manifests itself in, well, statues being pulled down and calls for other statues to be torn down. There was also a wholesale

Speaker 2 attack on our heritage, culture, rewriting history, portraying Britain, the British Empire, as only and always something bad.

Speaker 2 And I was quite outspoken in defence of Britain and against the tactics and really the politics of BLM.

Speaker 2 And so that attracted,

Speaker 2 I was controversial again at that point.

Speaker 2 And then, and I was doing that on a radio show. A friend of mine who

Speaker 2 has a radio show had me as a weekly guest, and we would chew the fat for half an hour about the issues of the day.

Speaker 2 It started with BLM and then it moved on to freedom of speech, protection of heritage, the rewriting of history, and all sorts of topics. Then along came COVID and lockdown,

Speaker 2 which obviously changed everybody's lives. In the midst of that, I was approached by a new start-up television channel in the UK called GB News.

Speaker 2 Britain's news channel is its kind of subtitle. And I was invited to become one of its original lineup of presenters.
And I said yes, and I've been doing that ever since.

Speaker 2 That's been up and running for nearly two years now, or it will be two years in the spring.

Speaker 2 And I've been again cast as controversial. GB News was cast as a far-right,

Speaker 2 extremist,

Speaker 2 home of swivel-eyed tin-hat-wearing loons, even before a frame of

Speaker 2 its output had gone on television.

Speaker 2 None of which is true, I think, as anyone would admit if they bother to watch any of the content. Anyway, that's a matter of opinion that people can agree or disagree upon.

Speaker 2 Yes, you started out by saying that

Speaker 2 I've become someone who's characterized as one of the people who have, let's say, extreme views.

Speaker 2 I don't buy that for a second. I think I stayed in place and the world slipped out from under my feet and went

Speaker 2 to my place.

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 2 I'm where I always was.

Speaker 2 I was never political. I've never been a member of a political party.
For the whole of my life, I have treated politics and politicians with, well, almost contempt, really.

Speaker 2 I'm very suspicious and cynical about the political class. Every time a general election came around, I would have to sort of hold my nose and find someone to vote for.

Speaker 2 But there was never anyone that I liked. I always just was in a position of having to pick the person that I disliked least.

Speaker 2 So I'm not a car-carrying political

Speaker 2 supporter of the left, of the right, or of the centre. I always, I just mean, I suppose I was a centrist, but only because I didn't feel pulled to either extreme.

Speaker 2 I think I've always held quite rational,

Speaker 2 middle of the road, perhaps traditionally liberal with a small L views.

Speaker 2 I just believe in freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to protest, freedom to get on with your life with minimum government, actually, is what I believe in.

Speaker 2 And if that makes me a contrarian and an extremist, then so be it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I have to tell you, we're having the argument that it's, you know, Republicans, Democrats, it's this party, that party, back and forth.

Speaker 1 I've really come to the conclusion that is

Speaker 1 only a distraction. It really is, because it's happening all over.
It's happening all over the world. People are standing up because they're not being listened to by their government.

Speaker 1 They're being ruled over.

Speaker 1 It's not a government of the people, by the people, for the people in America. And it's not happening in any country.
You've got farmers being told what they can and cannot farm.

Speaker 1 You're destroying the Dutch farmer, which is kind of important.

Speaker 1 You're destroying the industry of oil and gas. I mean, how do you survive in England without oil or gas or coal?

Speaker 1 So people are standing up and we're...

Speaker 1 We have to find a way to wake people up to it's not, we're not fighting with each each other they're making us believe that our fight is between each other it's actually the people versus the elites

Speaker 2 oh yes i

Speaker 2 Glenn I don't just match you shirt for sure I agree with everything that you said there in that brief summary of the problem I have an adage that I cling to all of the time which is it's never about what they say it's about yes

Speaker 2 We're being thrown one, we're being, you know, when you, sometimes people play with a cat by with a torch and they shine a light on the floor and they just move it around, and the cat springs from where the bright patch is to the next place where the bright patch is.

Speaker 2 Hold on just a second.

Speaker 1 Just for the American audience, I want you to know, even though I hate cats and I might play with a cat with a torch, that's the English word for flashlight. But go ahead.
A flashlight.

Speaker 2 Yes, of course. Yes, not a blow torch.

Speaker 1 I'm not talking about this flame with a naked flame and a looking eye.

Speaker 2 No, a flashlight.

Speaker 2 Yes, and I think we're being distracted with one thing after another. COVID worked very well for that elite group to get everybody looking over there.
Look over there, COVID.

Speaker 2 And then it has never stopped. Then it's, you know, it's a climate crisis.
Look at the climate. We're burning the planet to a crisp.

Speaker 2 It will shortly be a ball of charcoal falling through infinity, leaving a trail of smoke behind us. If you listen to

Speaker 2 the prophets of doom, the war in Ukraine. The war in Ukraine is not about saving democracy.

Speaker 2 I'm not really going to say what I think the war in Ukraine is about, but it's not about saving democracy. So

Speaker 2 that's another useful distraction. Make people terrified.

Speaker 1 May I suggest, I was just on the air today and I

Speaker 1 said something that

Speaker 1 it puts me into a category that I'm uncomfortable being in because I'm a guy like you. I trusted institutions.
I trusted my government.

Speaker 1 I believed in it enough, you know, same with politicians, but enough to go, you know, we make mistakes, but we generally try to do the right thing.

Speaker 1 I believe our government, the United States government and most Western governments are so far off the rails. I truly believe that this is all about the great reset.

Speaker 1 We are, we watch our president and it is like we're itching for war.

Speaker 1 Why would you send not defensive weapons, but offensive weapons that you know are going to be used in the Crimea, which Putin will never do it.

Speaker 1 And even today, day number one, they're in Russia saying they're declaring war on us.

Speaker 1 Joe Biden a year ago said, if we send tanks and airplanes, that, listen folks, no joke, it'll be World War III.

Speaker 1 I think they are trying to collapse our economies. They're trying to collapse the social social order so they can reset it all closer, as your Fabian socialist said, closer to their heart's desire.

Speaker 2 Yes, I think so. I mean, am I not right in saying that when Joe Biden pulled America out of Afghanistan, he said it was in part to do with bringing to an end America being involved in forever wars.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 And I don't think you went into.

Speaker 1 I think that was partly to give the Air Force base, Bagram. You were part of that.
Your country was part part of that. We didn't consult anyone.
We just gave it. It's insane.
Yes.

Speaker 2 So we pulled out, or America pulled out of a forever war, and now it would appear is straight into another forever war. American politics, it's not my area.
Of course, it isn't.

Speaker 2 I wouldn't presume so, but I would just say that my suspicion is that a lot of what's happening in Ukraine has to do with the U.S. seeking to re-establish itself as the

Speaker 2 predominant world power.

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Speaker 1 Can we talk a little bit about, and I'm leading someplace with this. I work with a guy who

Speaker 1 is Scottish. And,

Speaker 1 you know, when I first met him, everything, Scotland, you know, built the moon.

Speaker 1 Everything was Scottish. And I started doing my homework mainly because I wanted to put, we rip on each other hard.

Speaker 1 And so I read a book by one of my favorite historians

Speaker 1 called, I think it's How

Speaker 1 the Scottish Saved the Western World or something like that. And I was astounded

Speaker 1 by how much of our founding, the stock and the strength, came from the Scottish.

Speaker 1 I want you to talk about that for just a bit. What did Scotland contribute to the world of freedom? And I have some follow-ups.
I'm going someplace.

Speaker 2 It's a big interesting question.

Speaker 2 Scotland was,

Speaker 2 well, is a small country, small population by comparison. It's small in every way in terms of geography and population and indeed wealth when compared to England.

Speaker 2 And it

Speaker 2 always was a testy relationship between the two. You know, they were always like, I don't know, big brother, little brother, or whatever analogy you might want to make.

Speaker 2 Then finally, the crowns came together in 1603. Elizabeth I died.
She was succeeded by James VI and I, who was a

Speaker 2 Scottish king. He became the King of England and Scotland.

Speaker 2 Then in 1707, the Parliaments, both the English and the Scottish Parliament, were dissolved, and a separate parliament of a united parliament was created in 1707.

Speaker 2 That was very controversial at the time.

Speaker 2 When the Scottish Parliament was dissolved and the ink was drying on the paper that had dissolved that parliament, the bells

Speaker 2 in St. Giles Cathedral in Edinburgh played, Why am I so sad on this my wedding day?

Speaker 2 which is an old Scottish tune, which kind of summed up the mood of the people. There was a lot of, why on earth are we getting married to our old enemy? Was the theme in a way.

Speaker 2 However, that said, it became the best thing that had ever happened to either Scotland or England. Scotland and England together became much greater than the sum of the parts.

Speaker 2 And it opened the world to Scotland at that point. England effectively had an empire of a sort.
It certainly had more contacts overseas than Scotland had had independently.

Speaker 2 And by wedding with England, all of those doors were opened. You know, what's mine is yours, what's yours is mine, you know, to continue that marriage analogy.

Speaker 2 And Scotland took that opportunity by the scruff of the neck. And the Scots became really preeminent, disproportionately represented in what became the British Empire.

Speaker 2 Everywhere the British Empire went, be it to India or into Africa or anywhere else, Scots, often a disproportionately large number of Scots, were at the forefront of it wherever it went.

Speaker 2 Great organisers, great administrators, great bureaucrats, great engineers, great fighting men.

Speaker 2 So Scots, and then that bridgehead having been established by the soldiers and the engineers and the administrators,

Speaker 2 the rest of the population really saw the opportunity as well. And so,

Speaker 2 in short order,

Speaker 2 Scots were everywhere on the planet. They were there, and in many, in most instances, they were there

Speaker 2 helping to improve places, often by dint just of being there and being hardworking and industrious.

Speaker 2 And so the Scots began to reap the rewards of the British Empire every bit as enthusiastically as any English person did.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 we now find ourselves in a situation where I think it's reasonable to estimate that there's perhaps, well, there are about five million Scots in Scotland, but there's estimated to be 50 million people of Scottish descent scattered around the globe.

Speaker 2 You know, that's the extent to which we made that impact. And so, really, I think, in answer to your question, I think

Speaker 2 the opportunity of that 18th century union opened the world to Scotland and the Scots by nature, by inclination,

Speaker 2 were ready for the off. There's an interesting bit of background as well.
Before the union, before any of that happened, the Reformation that happened all across Europe,

Speaker 2 where people broke away from the traditional Catholic church and became Protestant in all various different sects and

Speaker 2 forms of the Protestant faith. In Scotland, very much the leader of the Reformation in in Scotland, the man that came to the fore, was John Knox, you'll know, obviously.

Speaker 2 And he insisted, amongst other things, that every parish really in Scotland should have a school. Up until that point, education had been harder to come by.

Speaker 2 It was really the preserve of, you know, the great and the good. Rich men's sons were educated and not so much for the rest.

Speaker 2 John Knox and the Reformation meant that what he wanted everyone, every man, woman, and child, to read the Bible in English for themselves.

Speaker 2 You know, get away from bishops and the hierarchy of the church, establish this personal relationship with God.

Speaker 2 And to do that, you needed to be able to read so that you could read your Bible. And

Speaker 2 the collateral benefit of all of that was that everyone learned to read and write.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 in short order, in the century following the Reformation, Scotland became the most literate population in Europe.

Speaker 2 A larger proportion of Scots of all classes, rich and poor, male and female, could read and write competently than anybody, than any other population that you might want to point a finger at. And

Speaker 2 that was incredibly important as well, because when you then subsequently got the Union, when Scotland and England came together and the world opened up, you had all these educated people. Right.

Speaker 1 You had all these things.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the thoughts from these educated people made their way to America. And our founders

Speaker 1 used a lot of these new thoughts and really well-argued thoughts to create our nation. So, here's,

Speaker 1 and every time I look, I brought something. I have an incredible history museum, and one of the things we collect are

Speaker 1 any tales from the Western culture. So,

Speaker 1 this is one of our new acquisitions. This is the sword of brave heart from the Mel Gibson movie.

Speaker 2 When we think of it,

Speaker 2 it is.

Speaker 1 Wow. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 When you come over, I'll let you put it on.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 But when we think of the Scots, we think of people, at least in America, people who

Speaker 1 fought to be free, fought to be free, fought against the kings, fought against all of this stuff, and knew who they were, proud in heritage. And now

Speaker 1 the Scots are, I mean, no offense, but it's like you're sheep now. What happened?

Speaker 2 The Scottish National Party happened.

Speaker 2 When I was a kid, I'm 55, when I was growing up and becoming aware of things political, let's say, you know, when I knew what was going on, the Scottish National Party was very small.

Speaker 2 It was a fringe movement, really,

Speaker 2 often regarded as quite an eccentric bunch,

Speaker 2 a protest group in many regards, very small in membership. And then, by very clever politicking, under

Speaker 2 a succession of competent politicians, it began to grow. And then, and then, famously, under Alex Salmond, it reached a high watermark by achieving this long-dreamt-of-referendum that would have

Speaker 2 to decide whether or not Scotland remained part of the Union or left, as previously discussed. And then that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 Alex Salmond then stepped away and was replaced by Nicola Sturgeon, who is the First Minister and has been ever since.

Speaker 2 And I'll be honest with you: the Scottish National Party and Nicola Sturgeon have run Scotland into the ground. They are incompetent would be the fairest way to describe what's been going on.

Speaker 2 Everything they touch turns to, well,

Speaker 2 everything they touch turns to something you wouldn't want to touch or smell. And the infrastructure,

Speaker 2 the National Health Service in Scotland, education,

Speaker 2 having a Scottish education.

Speaker 1 Go ahead, go ahead.

Speaker 2 Having a Scottish education used to be something you bragged about.

Speaker 2 Anywhere in the world, if you had been educated at school in Scotland and then at a Scottish university,

Speaker 2 that was a badge of honour. And you could hold your head high anywhere.
When people learned that you'd been educated in Scotland, that meant something. It really meant something.

Speaker 2 Now, education standards have fallen so far in Scotland that Nicola Sturgeon and her SNP government have taken Scotland off of the international league tables because it's too embarrassing now to have Scotland compared with other nations because we fall so far down the league.

Speaker 2 Wow, okay.

Speaker 2 In every way, so

Speaker 2 that's what has happened to Scotland. And it's very important, I would say, Glenn, it's very important for your audience to hear that

Speaker 2 the portrayal of Scotland that comes from the SNP and the Scottish Government does not speak for the majority of Scots. They've never been a majority.

Speaker 2 They have control of the Scottish Government, but they're still a majority party, a minority party. They are still a minority party in the Scottish Parliament.

Speaker 2 They're given decision-making ability by an unholy alliance with the Greens, the Green Party. However,

Speaker 2 they don't speak. And I think people in England, certainly, and perhaps people in North America, they might get the idea that when they hear Nicholas Sturgeon's voice, that's Scotland speaking.

Speaker 2 It's not. It's the Scottish nationalists speaking, and the majority of Scots

Speaker 2 are of the sort of Scots you're still talking about. The people who want good education for their children, they want to be part of the wider world.

Speaker 2 They are welcoming to any and all, including the English. I mean, the old animosity with England is the stuff of ancient history.

Speaker 2 There's a bit of rough and tumble around an international soccer game or an international rugby game, and it's quite fun, but it's

Speaker 2 a 90-minute situation. It's It's for the duration of the game.
So it's important that, in my opinion, if you want to take my word for it, that the Scots are still what they always were.

Speaker 2 You just don't hear them so much.

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Speaker 1 Explain to me

Speaker 1 something because this is what I was driving at.

Speaker 1 Your COVID lockdown was probably only second to Australia or New Zealand.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it instituted all of these tracking devices, and now you've just declared a new national emergency, as I understand it, with global warming.

Speaker 1 And now you're being restricted on how many miles you can drive, or at least they're tracking all of it. Can you explain what's happening and

Speaker 1 how is Scotland putting up with this?

Speaker 2 Well, as previously mentioned, it's never about what they say it's about.

Speaker 2 COVID enabled politicians to take for themselves an inordinate amount of power, the like of which they had never previously had.

Speaker 2 They've been drunk on that power ever since. And in the way of politicians having shortened the leash around the people's necks, they are completely disinclined to give us any slack.

Speaker 2 So having been able to take away people's liberties in all manner of ways, they are disinclined to give them back to us as if they were ever there to give us in the first place.

Speaker 2 I mean those rights are born rights.

Speaker 2 They are rights instituted by the universe and God or whoever it is that

Speaker 2 you take your transcendental orders from.

Speaker 2 But having got those powers, they want to hold on to them. COVID has run out of steam.

Speaker 2 And now the climate crisis, so-called, which I don't buy into at all, I believe that the climate changes in the same way that I believe the climate has been changing for billions of years.

Speaker 2 For as long as there's been an atmosphere on planet Earth, there's been a climate. The climate changes.
Subject to our relationship with the Sun. We live in a solar system.
That's the important word.

Speaker 2 We are driven by the Sun.

Speaker 2 And sometimes we go through, depending on our relationship with the Sun, the angle of the tilt of the planet, the shape of our orbit from steep oval to more of a circle, dictates periods of warm and periods of cold, and they alternate.

Speaker 2 And even within living memory, within recorded memory, there have been very hot periods followed by cold periods.

Speaker 2 I grew up in a time when we were being told in the UK that look out, there's a new ice age coming. Oh, yeah, me too.
And

Speaker 2 there were mock-ups on the front pages of daily newspapers showing icebergs floating down the Thames and polar bears.

Speaker 1 One of those.

Speaker 2 And now it's now.

Speaker 1 Time magazine did a story in 1972, I think, talking about the ways to solve it. And one one seriously discussed solution was to put soot on the polar ice cap.
I mean,

Speaker 1 their suggestions now are just as ridiculous, except the governments are run with these private partner, you know, public-private partnerships, the banks, the central banks, who are just looking for power.

Speaker 1 and money

Speaker 1 and they know what they've built is collapsing. So they're just building framework that will catch them.
We'll all fall into the, in, into the bottom, they'll be fine. And

Speaker 1 they're doing it without even, they're doing it in spite of us, in spite of us saying,

Speaker 1 no, don't do that.

Speaker 2 Yes. So

Speaker 2 your question to me was, you know,

Speaker 2 how we are responding to it.

Speaker 2 I speak to people. People come up to me and I'm quite wrecked.
I live in a small town. I live in Stirling in Scotland.
It's a small town, 60,000 people or something. And I'm quite recognisable.

Speaker 2 And I talk to people all the time.

Speaker 2 I get letters from people all over the world.

Speaker 2 People write, I don't have any of them to hand at the moment, but I get letters every day addressed. They don't even have my address.
They come to,

Speaker 2 they're addressed to Neil Oliver, the guy off the telly.

Speaker 2 Or there'll be a picture of me, sometimes drawn by hand, and an arrow saying this guy. And the postman delivers all these letters to me.
And so

Speaker 2 I'm able to take quite a good straw poll of what's out there in the wider population. And people are not happy.
They don't get to voice, they don't get to air their opinions in the way that I do.

Speaker 2 You and I are very fortunate in that we have platforms and we're able to get the word out about what we're saying.

Speaker 2 But there's a huge groundswell of population out there who know, who have awoken at different times in their own time, in the same way that I did.

Speaker 2 We're all operating on different internal clocks, and different things trigger different people and make them aware. There's all these people out there, too many, I think.

Speaker 2 That lump of the population now that is awake, has tuned into what's going on and doesn't like it, is more and more numerous.

Speaker 2 And I think that the elite, the powers that be in whatever, I think they have a real problem. I think they have a tiger by the tail now.

Speaker 2 You know, you talk about these public-private partnerships, the World Economic Forum,

Speaker 2 you know, operating out of Switzerland, Klaus Schwab being its boss, you know, he talks and has been talking since the 1970s about stakeholder capitalism, which

Speaker 2 when you boil it down, it basically means giving the boards of huge transnational corporations the decision-making power in lieu of national governments.

Speaker 1 So instead of... The government is actually kind of in charge, it's more fascistic.
I mean, isn't this the definition of fascism? The public-private partnership?

Speaker 2 Yes, it's a tyranny. Right.

Speaker 2 A couple of things. You mentioned the impact that Scots had had in North America, and obviously I would echo that.

Speaker 2 I'm very aware of a man, a character, Francis Hutchison, who in the latter part of the 18th century, so the 1700s, 1770s something,

Speaker 2 he held the chair. He was the professor of moral philosophy at Glasgow University.

Speaker 2 And he

Speaker 2 taught, he preached almost,

Speaker 2 that rather than being manna from heaven falling randomly

Speaker 2 onto the heads of the blessed,

Speaker 2 happiness,

Speaker 2 happiness was something that ought to be worked for.

Speaker 2 And he furthermore, he suggested that to make yourself happy, the best way to do that was to work with all of the strength of your body and spirit to improve the lot and the lives of others. Yes.

Speaker 2 And that the collateral benefit thereby would be your happiness. You would make yourself happy almost by accident

Speaker 2 by making other people's lives better. Now, one of the people that he that picked up that lesson in his classrooms was John Witherspoon.

Speaker 2 John Witherspoon was eventually invited to be the second president of what became Princeton University.

Speaker 2 He became the second president. He's also, of course, a signatory of the Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 2 And there's good reason for speculating that the very idea of life,

Speaker 2 life, love, and the pursuit, and the pursuit of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, the pursuit of happiness, might be an echo of Witherspoon, that happiness was to be earnestly pursued.

Speaker 2 It wasn't a gift.

Speaker 2 It didn't just happen to lucky people. It was the obligation, the responsibility of each one of us to pursue with all the fibre in our beings happiness.

Speaker 2 And by that pursuit, we would make the people around us, the communities, the families, we would make those people happier as well.

Speaker 2 So there was something fundamental and profound that came out of the Enlightenment, the Scottish Enlightenment, that went around the world. And there's certainly good reason for thinking.

Speaker 2 It certainly had an influence

Speaker 2 on that gathering that was working out and talking about what the nature of

Speaker 2 the new country or the United States of America was going to be.

Speaker 2 And I also come back all the time to Magna Carta.

Speaker 2 1215, that was a grand charter that was sealed. King John didn't sign it.
He sealed it with a seal into wax.

Speaker 2 He was made to acknowledge a document that can be summarised as saying, even the king is subject to the law.

Speaker 2 Even the king is subject to the law. You don't just get to do what you want because you're powerful and because your dad was the king as well.
That's not how it works. You're subject to the law.
And

Speaker 2 Magna Carta enshrines something else which is fundamental, which is that even if you're told that government has power, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 The only entity that is sovereign is the people.

Speaker 2 The people are sovereign and all of the power rests with the people. And people need to be re-educated in the fundamental concept that we lend our power to our elected representatives.

Speaker 2 And when their time in office comes to an end, they hand that power back to the people to then redistribute it again.

Speaker 2 And all of this nonsense that's going on at the moment, this public-private partnership, stakeholder capitalism, this is just a ruse by a narrow elite of people that want to centralize power.

Speaker 2 They want to take control of energy, they want to take control of the food, they want to take control of our currencies, our finances, they want control of everything.

Speaker 2 They want centralized top-down power. And we're being distracted left and right by COVID, a pandemic, another pandemic in two years' time, climate crisis, war in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 And in the background, all of these pieces on the chessboard are being moved without us noticing it to enable the kind of tyranny that you're describing.

Speaker 2 And people need to waken up to something quite simple, which is that they, we, the people, there's 8 billion of us and there's a few thousand elite, we have the power.

Speaker 2 And we are not to be told what to do. On the contrary, we tell them what to do.
And the sooner the mass of the populations remember that inalienable right, then the happier we'll all be.

Speaker 1 I just read

Speaker 1 something that

Speaker 1 was

Speaker 1 done on American radio in 1937. I think it's called The Fall of the City.
And it's profound.

Speaker 1 And it talks about how the city or the empire falls.

Speaker 1 And it is the people

Speaker 1 that just give up their freedom. They are so afraid of something else that when the conqueror comes, and in this case, the armor is completely empty.
There's nothing there,

Speaker 1 that the people cheer and

Speaker 1 say, thank God we got rid of freedom. It was corrupting us.

Speaker 1 All of these things. That's exactly what's happening right now.
And

Speaker 1 I've struggled with this for a while. And

Speaker 1 one of the reasons I love talking to you is I love to see people who woke up and what woke them up.

Speaker 1 Because we don't make it if they build this whole system, it's going to be harder to get out once this whole, you know, China is the model kind of system.

Speaker 1 How do we wake people up? What has to be said to people? What do they need to see

Speaker 1 to realize, for instance, the World Economic Forum, that's not a conspiracy theory. It's a conspiracy fact, and it's all out in the open.

Speaker 2 Well, conspiracy theories get a bad rap

Speaker 2 for a start. Right.
I mean, let's agree on that point. I mean, conspire literally means to breathe together.
You know,

Speaker 2 it's where your heads are close enough together that you're sharing each other's breath while you're talking to one another. That's conspiring.

Speaker 2 And, you know, that's what has been going on for a lot of people who have awoken that while they were locked down in their homes.

Speaker 2 or I love how that prison parlance became, you know, the the common speak of the of the free people. Lockdown, excuse me.

Speaker 2 But in lockdown, people conspired because they were in their homes together and they started to talk.

Speaker 2 And thank God for the internet, you know, people were able to conspire online and share ideas and reassure one another that they were not alone and they hadn't gone mad, that there were that there were that thousands and then tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands and millions of people who believe and think the same thing.

Speaker 2 So conspiracy gets a bad rap.

Speaker 2 Thank goodness for conspiracy, to be quite honest with you. That's why some of us are where we are today by sharing breath.

Speaker 2 How do we get out of it? I think people need to be reminded of that which they know to be true.

Speaker 2 You know, when you take it all the way back to, you know, what's known in, well, and certainly historically in Britain as common law, but if you take it even further back to natural law,

Speaker 2 everyone knows right from wrong. You know,

Speaker 2 that's the premise of natural law. Everyone knows right and wrong.
Whether they choose to choose the right or the wrong, that's personal. Everyone knows the difference between.

Speaker 2 And people, because of that, are more than capable of governing themselves.

Speaker 2 That's, you're talking about government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Speaker 2 What's being instituted at the moment, certainly here, but all across the West,

Speaker 2 is a framework within which, and it's been there for a long time, where governments legislate,

Speaker 2 they make up law. That's what legislation is.
They conjure up laws out of nowhere, and they then retain to themselves the power to enforce those laws and also to punish those who break the laws.

Speaker 2 That is the definition of tyranny. If your governing body makes the laws, imposes the laws, and punishes breaches of that law, that means they're holding all the levers of power.

Speaker 2 Common law, which is there in Magna Carta, but is much older than Magna Carta. It's a thousands of years old principle, really enshrines within it the power of the jury.

Speaker 2 You know, we get trial by jury.

Speaker 2 Well, people have forgotten what that really means.

Speaker 2 In the original iteration,

Speaker 2 Trial by jury was manifesting the democracy of the people.

Speaker 2 It was manifesting the power of the people. Because when someone was brought for trial before a jury of their peers, of people just like them,

Speaker 2 that jury of 12 people in England or 15 people in Scotland was empowered, actually obliged, not just to decide the guilt or innocence of the accused, but to judge the justice of the law.

Speaker 2 And it meant that even if the evidence demonstrated that a person had broken the law, had broken the legislation,

Speaker 2 it didn't automatically mean that they had to be convicted.

Speaker 2 The jury had the power to say, yes, I've heard all of that. I know the law and I've heard the evidence.
And we as a majority still think that person should be acquitted.

Speaker 2 And furthermore, we're setting aside that law as not good.

Speaker 2 That was called nullification

Speaker 2 by jury. You were nullifying the law.
And it meant that government could set the law, but the people ultimately had the power to say, no,

Speaker 2 not good enough. That person goes free.
In a true jury trial, you only need one person. You only need one person to say, I'm not persuaded of that person's guilt.

Speaker 2 And the verdict of that jury was then not guilty, even though 11 people had said that that person was.

Speaker 1 You only needed one.

Speaker 2 The power in the jury, the jury, as it properly was instituted, is the most powerful manifestation of the power of the people to make sure that we and not our rulers decide on the justice of the law itself.

Speaker 2 And people need to be reminded of some of these fundamentals. That government is here today and gone tomorrow, or should be,

Speaker 2 but the people are sovereign and are always here. And the power is always ours.
And that's what people really need to be reminded reminded of.

Speaker 2 People fundamentally need to be reminded of the sacrosanct, the absolute untouchable, the inviolability of the right, the born right of the human being.

Speaker 2 We are not governed by others. We govern ourselves.

Speaker 2 Our rights are not given to us by the powerful. You're not given your freedom by the police or by the government.
You are born free.

Speaker 2 You are a free individual.

Speaker 2 And people need to, if people remember those fundamentals, instead of being cowed in the face of a legislation that says go to your homes and stay there until we let you out,

Speaker 2 the next time anyone tries to do that, the people have the confidence to say, no.

Speaker 2 You can't do that to me. I am free and you do not have the power to take that freedom from me.

Speaker 1 I've heard you.

Speaker 2 In answer to your question, people need to get back to fundamentals.

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Speaker 1 I heard

Speaker 1 an essay that

Speaker 1 you delivered

Speaker 1 that was,

Speaker 1 I wonder what would happen if we all just stopped paying taxes. If we all said, you know, and you went through a hundred different

Speaker 1 ideas.

Speaker 1 And that's a, it's a great idea, but it only works if we all would do it, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 We all have to be on the same page. And when I listen to you, to me,

Speaker 1 everything rings true. I know history.
I've thought this out for 30 years.

Speaker 1 And I know who the people are. I know where the money comes from.
I know how the system works that they're playing.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 if you listen to you and you're not

Speaker 1 awake yet,

Speaker 1 you sound incredibly dangerous.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 it's only about,

Speaker 2 I just can, I'm not the best. I've never been the best at anything.

Speaker 2 I'm just a reasonable guy. I'm just

Speaker 2 interested in that. But

Speaker 1 reason and common sense are not part

Speaker 1 of

Speaker 1 the ruling class lingo anymore.

Speaker 2 You know, you mentioned that when I said what would happen if we if we didn't pair it, you mentioned fascism, actually, which is, I mean, you'll know this, but it's always interesting.

Speaker 2 It's always useful to be reminded that the word comes from, the root is fasci,

Speaker 2 F-A-S-C-I, I think. And it goes all the way back to Rome.
And

Speaker 2 it's a bundle of sticks

Speaker 2 bound together because a single twig is easily snapped, but a bundle of sticks is almost impossible. You can't put that over your knee and break it.
So

Speaker 2 it's a reminder that people singly are vulnerable, but together are indomitable.

Speaker 2 So, and that it's important. It's important to remember the power of people backing one another up.
As you say, if they get you on your own, you've had it.

Speaker 2 But if people just come together, then they are absolutely indomitable.

Speaker 2 And when I talked about not paying taxes, I suggested, imagine if we all just stopped paying our mortgages all at once and our rents. You stop.

Speaker 2 There's not enough jails in the world to put everybody in mortgage jail.

Speaker 2 So actions like that. And I also say that I think it's time to think the unthinkable when it comes to some elements.
I think they've got us into so much debt that the debts need to be written off.

Speaker 2 You know, if you go back into history, and you'll know this as well, Jubilee, I mean, we just had, before

Speaker 2 late majesty passed died we had her platinum jubilee and the jubilee is an ancient tradition you know this yes whereby every every 50 years or so typically it was on the it was the seventh seven times seven 49 seventh sabbaths after seventh sabbaths all debts were cancelled

Speaker 2 and all the people who were enslaved on in an ancient kingdom who were enslaved by their debt were set free and allowed to go home it was like the end of a game of monopoly because you know how a game of monopoly works.

Speaker 2 Eventually one person's got everything and everybody else has got nothing. So that's it.
There's no more fun to be had.

Speaker 2 And all the money goes back into the bank, to the dealer, and you all start again. Well, Jubilee had that, it was supposed to have that effect.

Speaker 2 And it was canny thinking by the kings because the last thing a king wanted was for any or some of his aristocrats to have amassed so much power in the form of the debt.

Speaker 2 of people beholden to them that they might be able to use those people as an army to overthrow the king.

Speaker 2 And so it was always in the king's interests every 50 years in a kingdom for the king to say, right, they blew it, it was a joble, the horns, a ram's horn was the jewel, the jubleo.

Speaker 2 They blew the horn, that's it. Everyone go home, all debts are cancelled.

Speaker 2 That's unthinkable because people will tell you all the reasons why you can't do that.

Speaker 2 Oh, you know, people's pensions will collapse, and you know, there'll be chaos and carnage and all the rest of it. And, you know, that's probably true.

Speaker 2 However, some form of that has to be faced up to because we have been indebted deliberately by

Speaker 2 fractional reserve banking and all the rest of the insanity that ensued in the U.S.

Speaker 2 from the Fed was created in 1913 when everybody was on holiday for Christmas and they slipped through the ability for these people to make money out of nothing and lend it and lend it and lend it and lend it.

Speaker 2 Everybody into debt.

Speaker 1 Hold it just a second. Will you please tell the story? Because I had never heard of it.

Speaker 1 The English,

Speaker 1 the Bank of England is printing money in debt. It's all, you know, people are starting to say, I want my silver or gold from the Bank of England.

Speaker 1 And the British government issued some kind of note. I've never heard this before.
Oh.

Speaker 1 Oh, you guys, right?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 it was on the eve of the First World War. So it was in 1914.

Speaker 2 And everyone knew war was coming, but it hadn't quite happened.

Speaker 2 Britain declared war in August. I think it was May, June.
People could see the storm clouds building.

Speaker 2 And as people always do, when a war's coming, they want to get tangible wealth, you know, get hold of whatever you've got.

Speaker 2 So in those days, it always said on the old foldout, you know, the huge banknotes, they're like a map, they're so big.

Speaker 2 It said on them, promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of £1, £10,

Speaker 2 whatever. £3, whatever.
You could literally go to the bank, hand over your bit of paper, and be given that amount of gold back.

Speaker 1 That's what we had with the Federal Reserve. Yes.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 the banks immediately realised we've got a run here.

Speaker 2 This is going to be a run on the banks. And everything will go.
And

Speaker 2 the government won't be able to pay for the war. You won't be able to buy any tanks or guns or uniforms.
So they went crying to the government at that point and said, you're going to have to.

Speaker 2 So they shut the banks on the Friday night. It was a bank holiday coming, so they shut the banks.
And what was issued, what was very quickly agreed, and a bill was put through Parliament

Speaker 2 to make all of this a reality a bill was put through parliament to create not notes from not bank uh not bank notes from the bank but treasury notes because obviously the government has a treasury from you know from the days of kings there's a treasury and they were they were issued as treasury notes and they were backed by the government okay They're not backed by the bank.

Speaker 2 They were backed by the government. And if you like, they were written against the value of the country.
The country itself

Speaker 2 as an entity was valued at some billions of pounds in 1913. And also, even more importantly,

Speaker 2 it was the potential of the people. The energy, the creativity,

Speaker 2 just the will of the people. was also had a value put on it.
And that was underwriting these treasury notes. The signature that was on them

Speaker 2 was from

Speaker 2 the chief secretary to the treasury at that time was a guy called John Bradbury. I think it's John.
It's definitely Bradbury. And the people accepted them as Bradbury Pounds.

Speaker 1 And he was really respectful.

Speaker 1 He was a man or

Speaker 1 he had a lot of credibility or

Speaker 2 his name was there. So people were handed these, and they said Bradbury.
So they started calling them Bradbury Pounds. And they've gone down in history as the Bradbury Pound.

Speaker 2 And so the banks reopened.

Speaker 2 on a Monday morning or whatever. I think they stayed closed.
Rather than a one-day bank holiday, the banks stayed closed for about three or four days while this was hustled through.

Speaker 2 The Bradbury pounds were issued, and the people took them. And the people back in 1913 had faith in the country, were patriotic, and they believed in each other.
They believed, yes,

Speaker 2 as you know, the millions of us here and

Speaker 2 the natural wealth of the country, this is underscoring this. And so they didn't go to the bank and demand their gold.

Speaker 2 So it stopped the run on the there was no run on the pound, there was no run on the currency, and

Speaker 2 it got the banks out of that terrible hole.

Speaker 2 The interesting, tragic, really crawlery is within a few months, the banks realised, well, they knew right away we're not having this

Speaker 2 because these Bradbury pounds were debt-free,

Speaker 2 sorry, were interest-free.

Speaker 2 They weren't being, you didn't,

Speaker 2 if you took out 10 Bradbury pounds and you had to repay it, you only repaid 10.

Speaker 2 There was no interest on them. Imagine that.
Imagine no interest on a loan. You borrow a thousand pounds to buy a car.
You pay a thousand pounds back. Okay, there was no interest on them.

Speaker 2 And the banks took one look at these treasury notes and said, enough.

Speaker 2 We're not going to make any money out of this war.

Speaker 2 There was a killing to be made in the war, literally and metaphorically, but only if the banks got back to issuing bank notes. And they did.
And

Speaker 2 the interest rate that the banks established when the Bradbury pounds were withdrawn, bank notes came back in, and the interest on them, the interest on loans or the interest rate that was set at that time was about 3.5%.

Speaker 2 And four years later, after the war, everyone had made a lot of money. Not people like you and me, but the arms manufacturers and the already wealthy that had stakes in all of this.

Speaker 2 As is the case in every war, every war there's ever been, a handful of people get very, very rich off the back of it.

Speaker 2 And so the banks stepped in still in 1914 and said, right, enough of the Bradbury Pound. That got people out of that temporary loss of confidence.

Speaker 2 Now confidence has been reinstated, restored by the Bradbury Pound. Let's get back to business as usual.
3.5%, please. Let's all get rich.

Speaker 1 Let me take you back to COVID for a second.

Speaker 1 What do you make of the

Speaker 1 Is there such a thing as excess deaths?

Speaker 1 Is there something are we just, you know, when you buy a car and you're looking at a white car, all of a sudden you start to see that white, you know forward everywhere?

Speaker 1 Are we just noticing

Speaker 1 or is there something going on? Because I don't believe anybody. I don't believe anybody anymore.

Speaker 2 As well as it's never about what they say it's about, I also live by once you see it, you can't unsee it. Correct.
So as you say,

Speaker 2 once you notice, you remember those 3D pictures that were a craze for a while?

Speaker 2 At first glance, they looked like just fuzz. But then, if you kind of squinted at them, you could make an image step forward in 3D.
And once it was there, you couldn't make it go away.

Speaker 2 But you know, it was just, oh, how did I not see the car or the stag or whatever? Once you see this nonsense, it's there in three dimensions, and you can't not see it.

Speaker 2 COVID

Speaker 2 excess deaths. Yes, at the moment, I'm seeing figures at the moment.
I'm paying a lot of attention to this at the moment. There's a fantastic guy that I've spoken to throughout this, a guy called Dr.

Speaker 2 John Campbell. I don't know if you've run across any of his content on YouTube.

Speaker 2 And he follows the stats. He's very good.
I've spoken to him online and offline and whatever.

Speaker 2 He's at the moment, but just before Christmas, the excess deaths, which is to say people dying of things other than COVID, were running at about 2,500 a week.

Speaker 2 At the moment, it's about 3,000 excess deaths a week in England. The Scottish figures are kept separately by Nicholas Sturgeon for our own reasons, and I'm not sure of the figures,

Speaker 2 the latest figures, but it's running at about 3,000 a week, I think,

Speaker 2 in England. And

Speaker 2 a very worrying, I mean, it's a worrying number anyway, but a proportion of those are people who are dying at home.

Speaker 2 You know, they're dying those kind of deaths that people aren't aware of until the milk bottles and the mail starts building up outside the front door. And people think,

Speaker 2 Where's Janet? Where's John? And then the police come and they break in and they find someone dead in their seat or dead in their bed.

Speaker 2 People who weren't old, weren't ill, they weren't being treated for anything, they didn't have cancer or chronic heart disease, they just died.

Speaker 2 And by definition, dying at home means you're not worried about anything.

Speaker 2 You're not at the doctor's, you're not in the emergency room at a hospital, you're at home going about your business and you stop being alive for no reason that anybody saw coming.

Speaker 2 These kinds of deaths are worrying and inappropriate and that's why they're called excess.

Speaker 2 And so there's all sorts of reasons being bandied about. I mean obviously two years of lockdown, a lot of us from early on were saying that this will be catastrophic.

Speaker 2 Locking people in their homes, stopping social contact is going to affect people's immune systems. It's going to stop people getting access to health.
They can't get to the doctors.

Speaker 1 People that were a wee bit worried about mental health. Mental health a lot.
Mental health.

Speaker 2 And so what we're seeing now, I mean, a tsunami built up. You know, the great the water pools out.
That's what happened during lockdown. The tide disappeared.

Speaker 2 And now the w and now the wave, the great big wave, is coming back in. And we're starting to see it in the form of these excess deaths.
So so people are dying of untreated conditions.

Speaker 2 As you say, mental health was damaged, all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 And then, of course, there's all the unasked, the questions you're not supposed to ask, and even if you ask them, you don't get answers about the vaccines.

Speaker 2 You know, more and more people are coming forward.

Speaker 2 We know that the vaccines, or I don't even call them vaccines, the products sold as vaccines, those medical products, those gene therapies, have definitely caused people's deaths and have caused people's long-term hurt.

Speaker 2 You know, they're now,

Speaker 2 vaccines are not being offered to under-50s in the UK all of a sudden. And you say, well, we've been told for two and a half years that they're safe and effective.

Speaker 2 Why can't the under-50s have them anymore?

Speaker 2 And if they're only safe and only effective, and if they've saved millions of lives,

Speaker 2 can we ask some questions maybe about all these excess deaths?

Speaker 2 We know that people have died

Speaker 2 and been permanently injured on account of the products sold as vaccines. That's showing up on coroners' reports.

Speaker 2 We know that for a fact. But if you ask the question when some young footballer face plants in the middle of a game, aged 25, fit as a butcher's dog, why,

Speaker 2 did that, was that, could that have anything to do with the vaccine? Then that question is shouted down, even though it's always legitimate to ask why a young, otherwise healthy person has died.

Speaker 2 So it's a complicated one, and the nature of the censorship and the silencing means that we're not able to have a proper grown-up conversation and face up to the fact that thousands of people, more than would have died at this time of year last year, have died at this time this year, and they haven't died of COVID.

Speaker 2 Can we please have a proper drains-up investigation into exactly what is going on? That you try having that conversation with the people in power, and you get brushed aside pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1 I want to, I've got so much more to ask you about, but Neil, I think I want to end this conversation here. You're an archaeologist,

Speaker 1 a real highly educated man. You've studied history.

Speaker 1 And I know it would be a pure guess,

Speaker 1 but

Speaker 1 where are we on the scale of civilizations? What

Speaker 1 if you went out a hundred years?

Speaker 1 What do you see that you think we might find

Speaker 1 a hundred years from now about this time period and about the next 10 or 20 years? Where are we headed?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 I think this ought to go down as a time of madness.

Speaker 1 Yes.

Speaker 2 This is a time in which we have become unmoored

Speaker 2 from much of the wisdom that we acquired during the last several hundred, if not several thousand years.

Speaker 2 We have lost the plot, or we haven't, but we are being encouraged to drift into a place of madness.

Speaker 1 We are told to dismiss

Speaker 1 everything

Speaker 1 that became

Speaker 1 culture building and

Speaker 1 common sense over 5,000 years. Throw it all out.

Speaker 2 To me,

Speaker 2 it's readily summarized by the fact that here in Britain,

Speaker 2 front-rank politicians, including the leader of the opposition party, Keir Starmer of the Labour Party, the leader of the Labour Party, a prime minister in waiting, if you like,

Speaker 2 can't or won't define what a woman is.

Speaker 2 When asked the question, what is a woman? he obfuscates and dodges the question.

Speaker 1 We have a Supreme Court justice that was asked the same question

Speaker 1 and was asked in an open hearing to

Speaker 1 confirm her spot on the Supreme Court. She couldn't define.
She said, I'm not a scientist.

Speaker 2 What the? Yeah, so

Speaker 2 that for me is shorthand for the fact that we have become unmoored from reality, sanity, and reason. Kenneth Clark's

Speaker 2 an art critic, really, but he made a very

Speaker 2 landmark television series in the 70s called Civilization. And there's a book that went with it, which I have on my shelf over there.

Speaker 2 And he speculated about where civilization comes from and where it goes. And he said that

Speaker 2 in essence, civilizations don't collapse because of pressure from without, from outside, barbarians,

Speaker 1 whatever.

Speaker 2 They collapse from within.

Speaker 2 And why do they collapse from within? You mentioned that idea of people for whom freedom becomes too onerous, too much of a responsibility.

Speaker 2 There's another wonderful book by Eric Hoffer, True Believer, where he describes how popular mass movements evolve. And

Speaker 2 there's always an extent to which people are persuaded that the past is bad, the present is pretty lousy, and only the future is worth having.

Speaker 2 And that's always an easy argument to make because the future doesn't exist and so nothing's gone wrong with it yet.

Speaker 2 So you sell people in the future and you make them distance themselves from the past. But in civilization, Kenneth Clark said that people become exhausted

Speaker 2 and they get, they have, because it was many generations ago that the civilization was established, every succeeding generation takes it for granted a little bit more. Yes.

Speaker 2 Until eventually you get people, you get a generation of people who, too many of them, think that order and the kind of life we have is just in the natural order of things. Yes.

Speaker 2 When, of course, you've only got to look out at the wider world to see what the natural order of things actually gives you. And it's chaos and it's mob rule and it's violence.

Speaker 2 But too many people get too distanced from the hard work of creating civilization and think that civilization just happens. And they become lazy and complacent and they become bored with it.

Speaker 2 Hannah Arendt, when she talked about the banality of evil, she also suggested that people take their present circumstances for granted and they just want something else, anything else.

Speaker 2 I think that's the period that we're moving through. And of course, you know,

Speaker 2 at any point from the future, people will look back, and

Speaker 2 you can always suggest that anacyclosis has a role to play. Now, that's a way of looking at

Speaker 2 the evolution of civilization

Speaker 2 by Polybius, who was a Greek historian and thinker thousands of years ago. He said that

Speaker 2 you've got a turning wheel, a rotation, a revolution. You start with a good king

Speaker 2 who appears out of chaos and creates peace, like a kind of King Arthur who creates a Camelot and everything's great. But then his son didn't have to fight for Camelot.
So

Speaker 2 he doesn't care as much. And then his son is even worse.
And around him grows powerful men, aristocrats. They eventually overthrow a weak prince.
And you've got aristocracy rather than monarchy.

Speaker 2 The first band of aristocrats are all right as well.

Speaker 2 They've got ideas. That degenerates as well.
They pass the power to their sons and daughters. And eventually it degenerates into oligarchy.

Speaker 2 which is the rule of rich men who are only in power because they're wealthy.

Speaker 1 And that's where we are.

Speaker 2 Eventually the people get tired of the oligarchs and they overthrow them. And that means you've got democracy, you've got people power.

Speaker 2 And the first democracy is good because people had to fight for it and struggle and achieve it and overthrow the oligarchs.

Speaker 2 But again, a few generations down it degenerates and you've got people taking democracy for granted, which is where we are now.

Speaker 2 And that degenerates into mob rule. And we all know about mob rule.
We see it in third world countries and all the rest of it. It's chaos.

Speaker 2 Out of the mob rule rises a demagogue, a charismatic figure who says, follow me and I'll take you to the sunlight uplands again.

Speaker 2 And the demagogue is false. He's a straw man.
He's hollow. The demagogue is eventually overthrown by the good king.
And where are we now? Then

Speaker 2 you're back at midnight again. You're back at the top of the clock.
And then the whole process starts again. In answer to your question, I think we're at that point now where

Speaker 2 people are taking it all for granted. It's the democracy that people have become bored with.
They think that you just have peace on the streets, law and order,

Speaker 2 equality before the law,

Speaker 2 safety to walk the streets at night, all of this magic. You turn up at a bus stop and a bus comes.
You go to an ATM and you put your card in and money comes out.

Speaker 2 People think that these things just happen.

Speaker 2 But we've now entered into the period where too many, too, too large a proportion of the population are taking all of that for granted and they think anything would be better than this.

Speaker 2 And the problem we've got is that there are people out there like the WEF, like the WHO, the World Health Organization, like all these transnational corporations like BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street, who are more than happy to step in and offer people that something else.

Speaker 2 But what the people don't appreciate is that that something else is going to end up being something they really don't like.

Speaker 2 And tragically, I think for too many of them, it will only be when they've got it, when they're in that digital cage made of central bank digital currencies and digital IDs and social credit systems, a la the Chinese Communist Party, that model.

Speaker 2 Only when that gate, that cage door slams shut, click, will people see, how did this happen?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 this is how it happens.

Speaker 1 All right, well, I don't want to leave us on that.

Speaker 1 He has one more thing. I don't want to leave that because I'm a miserable bastard, Glenn.
Oh, I know.

Speaker 1 I'm not invited to a lot of parties because that's usually the way where I end, too.

Speaker 2 I can be up. I can lift it.
I can lift it. But you know, I am optimistic.

Speaker 2 I make myself be optimistic.

Speaker 2 I'm married, been married a long time. My wife is a much more positive force than I am.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 we're that yin and yang thing. Yeah, yeah.
You know, that's

Speaker 1 lightened up.

Speaker 2 She takes me by the throat and lifts me up. Right.

Speaker 2 And so I,

Speaker 2 but she makes, I become, I obtain optimism from her biosmosis. If I stand close enough to my mic, it seeps into me.

Speaker 1 I'm telling you, we are brothers. I said to my wife at one point, I'm stealing light from you.
I'm just, because I felt like a black hole.

Speaker 1 And it's like, I should tell you, I'm just sucking all the goodness and light out of you.

Speaker 2 I do it all the time. Some people radiate energy and the rest of us are sponges for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Well, but so when I'm in my, when I'm fully charged, when I've stood close enough to her battery to get back up to 65, 70 percent, I remind myself that plenty of people have learned this as well.

Speaker 2 You know that bit in Lord of the Rings?

Speaker 2 When Frodo is talking to Gandalf, they're in the mines, Moria.

Speaker 2 It's all dark. It's just at the start of the Fellowship of the Ring.
And in the darkness, Frodo says to Gandalf, I wish this hadn't happened to me.

Speaker 1 I love this.

Speaker 2 I wish I didn't have to do it. And Gandalf says, I'm paraphrasing, nobody that finds themselves in a situation like this wants it to happen to them.

Speaker 2 We don't get to choose the time that we are in. We only get to decide what to do with the time that we have.

Speaker 2 And that is fundamentally true. At any minute, you can make the worst of things or the best of things.
Both of those things, it's like Schrodinger's cat.

Speaker 2 You can have success and failure are in the box all at the same time. And you don't know what you're going to get till you open the box.

Speaker 2 And plenty of people over the last couple of years have actually benefited from this experience because it's been dark, but it's also been a slap in the face.

Speaker 2 You there sleeping.

Speaker 2 Wake up. And a lot of people have, well, that was sore.
What?

Speaker 2 And people are awake. And it's not everybody.
It's possibly not even the majority, but you don't need the majority. You just need a very active, awake,

Speaker 2 aware, reasoned, thinking group of people acting in concert, acting together, and we can turn this ship around.

Speaker 1 That's the way to end it.

Speaker 1 Thank you very much, Neil. Really appreciate it.

Speaker 2 I see it. I've done all the talking.

Speaker 1 I've done all the talking.

Speaker 1 Well, you are the guest.

Speaker 1 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's funny.

Speaker 1 Neil,

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk to you, and we just didn't get around to it, about Jeremy Clarkson.

Speaker 1 Is he going to survive this?

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 I tell you what, Glenn,

Speaker 2 I've been reading Jeremy Clarkson

Speaker 2 columns and books for years. I watched it.

Speaker 1 Love him. Love him.

Speaker 2 Top Gear,

Speaker 2 the Grand Tour, his latest thing, The Farm, where he's exposed the reality of what it is to farm with all the regulations and all the rest of it. He's brilliant.
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 And why people decide, well, why anyone

Speaker 2 was suddenly surprised that he's taken a pop. He said something

Speaker 2 about Megan Markle, okay.

Speaker 2 But he's been saying some pretty offensive stuff about all sorts of

Speaker 1 shtick.

Speaker 1 That's his shtick.

Speaker 2 You know, he zones in on somebody and he rips them a new one. That is what he does, and he makes people look silly.
That's what he does.

Speaker 2 And, you know, it's always somebody's turn to get it from Jeremy. But he's a supremely clever writer and a supremely clever broadcaster.
But you don't get many people with that set of that skill set

Speaker 2 and you certainly don't throw them away when you find one.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 what he demonstrates in Living Colour, Vista Vision, is you cannot appease the mob.

Speaker 1 Yep.

Speaker 2 I've had it. I'm sure you've had it.

Speaker 2 I did things years ago, whatever, and people said to me, you're going to have to take down that tweet or you're going to have to apologize for that. And I've never done either.

Speaker 2 Jeremy's mistake was he apologized

Speaker 2 and these people don't want an apology.

Speaker 1 No, they want to

Speaker 2 expose, they want you to expose your throat so that they can rip it out.

Speaker 2 And the moment Jeremy Clarkson started to say, I shouldn't have said that and I wish I hadn't, that was it. His throat was exposed and they went for him.

Speaker 2 And if they can, if that happens to someone as big,

Speaker 2 metaphorically and literally, he's about six and a half feet tall yeah and and he bestrides the world of broadcasting like a silverback in the in the jungle yeah that can happen to him who will watch because that means that can happen to anybody megan markle did it to piers morgan as well he was another big beast in the in the broadcast jungle she she you know she brought him down too and so the the lesson there boys and girls ladies and gentlemen is don't try to appease the mob.

Speaker 2 You stand firm and you say, I said what I said,

Speaker 2 take it or leave it.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, and here in America, nobody's going to affect my life by saying, I think, I think she's the worst thing.

Speaker 1 I don't really like the royal family at all, but she, I think, is one of the worst things to happen to the royal family since, well, King Charles. So.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 it's certainly looking that way, Glenn. Yeah.
I mean, I'm pretty ambivalent. The royal family for me are just there, a bit like the Cairngorham Mountain Range or Red Pillar Boxes or

Speaker 2 whatever, or Buckingham Palace. They're just there.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 In the same way that I don't like statues getting torn down, I just say they're all just there. Just let me get on with it.

Speaker 2 You know, they're fun to watch.

Speaker 1 They're like the Simpsons, but not yellow.

Speaker 2 Just watch them. Because they do stuff just as bonkers as Barton Homer.

Speaker 1 Just watch.

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