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We're going to begin with the Twitter files, part du, in 60 seconds.
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Now, there is a caveat to that, and I'll give it to you here in just a second, but gave them to Barry Weiss.
And Barry Weiss, formerly with the New York Times and not a conservative,
but not somebody who is crazy either, decided to,
she was given the files, and she outlined it pretty well on Twitter.
One, new Twitter files investigation reveals that teams of Twitter employees built blacklists, prevented disfavored tweets from trending, and actively limited the visibility of entire accounts or even trending topics, all in secret without informing users.
So, in other words, everything that we said that was going on was going on.
Twitter once had a mission to give everyone the power to create and share ideas and information instantly without barriers.
Along the way, barriers nevertheless were erected.
Three, take, for example, Stanford's doctor Jay, I can't pronounce his name, who argued, what is it?
Battacharia.
Bhattacharya.
Bhattacharya.
Who argued that COVID lockdowns would harm children.
Twitter secretly placed him on a trends blacklist, which prevented his tweets from trending.
Four.
We should point out she's posting the screenshots of this.
Like you can see on his account, it says trends blacklist.
Like they have these little recent abuse strike, strike count, and then trends blacklist.
This is something that they denied doing over and over and over again.
They not only denied it, the media covered up for it, but this, as the media is now telling us, is old news.
This is old news.
I guess in a way.
Or consider the popular right-wing talk show host Dan Bongino, who at one point was slapped with a search blacklist.
So you couldn't search him.
Twitter set the account of conservative activist Charlie Kirk to do not amplify.
And again, all the screenshots are there.
Twitter denied that it does such things.
In 2018,
Twitter's head of legal policy and trust and the head of product said, we don't shadow ban, and we certainly don't shadow ban based on political viewpoints or ideology.
Hmm.
Looks like they were lying.
What many people call shadow banning, Twitter executives employees call visibility filtering.
Not Orwellian at all.
No.
Think about visibility filtering, Barry Rice-White writes, as a way for us to suppress what people see to different levels.
It's a very powerful tool.
This is one senior
Twitter employee.
VF refers to Twitter's control over visibility.
It used VF to block searches of individual users, to limit the scope of a particular tweet's discoverability, to block select users' posts from ever appearing on trending page, and from inclusion in hashtag searches,
all without the user's knowledge.
We control visibility quite a bit and we control the amplification of your content quite a bit.
And normal people do not know how much we do, one Twitter engineer told us.
The group that decided whether to limit the reach of certain users was the Strategic Response Team or the global escalation team.
They often handled up to 200 cases a day, but there existed a level beyond official ticketing, beyond the rank and file moderators following the company's policy on paper, and that is the site integrity policy and policy escalation support.
This secret group, head of legal policy and trust and global head of trust and safety, subsequent CEOs Jack Dorsey and Parag, whatever his name is, and others.
Barry Weiss said, this is the biggest, most politically sensitive decisions that were made.
Think higher follower account controversial.
Another Twitter employee told us,
for these, there would be no ticketing or anything.
So they did not want.
the rest of the company even knowing they were doing this.
They wanted this to be kind of their own little pathway to censorship.
And let's just remember when Jack got on to Hannity and he was like, We don't do any of this.
Yes, I can promise you, we don't do it.
To be fair to Jack himself,
some of these files are showing that he wasn't even consulted on this stuff.
Like, they were other levels of employees doing it.
It wasn't necessarily going to him.
Yeah.
He seems to be an Elon Musk supporter, by the way.
Oh, yeah, I know he does.
I know he is.
And Elon supports
Jack.
Yeah, he seems to be,
it seems to be the culture was the big problem.
This is what I said about
Zuckerberg.
Zuckerberg is either completely out of the loop and has no idea what's happening in his own company, or he's a fantastic liar.
And I'm not sure what it is.
I mean, I don't think he's a fantastic liar,
but
I'm not sure.
It's like Jack.
I'm not sure if he really knows what's going on in his own company.
If you believe the Jack story.
The account,
let's see here, where was I?
I think you're in 16.
One of the accounts that rose to this level of scrutiny was Libs of TikTok, an account that was on the trends blacklist.
And it was designated as do not take action on user without consulting with the higher group.
The account
now boasts over 1.4 million followers, was subject to six suspensions in 2022 alone, or 20, yeah, 2022 alone each time they were blocked from posting for as long as a week Twitter repeatedly informed the libs of TikTok that they had been suspended for violating Twitter's policy against hateful conduct content and conduct but in an internal memo from October 2022
after their seventh suspension the committee acknowledged that libs of tick tock had not directly engaged in behavior uh violative of the hateful conduct policy.
That's incredible.
And here it is.
I mean, there's the email.
They have the email
and basically they're saying they suspended her for no reason.
At least no
reason.
There's no reason
that was identified in the rules.
They came up with a new one.
Right.
The committee justified her suspensions internally by claiming her post encouraged online harassment of hospitals and medical providers
by insinuating that gender-affirming health care is equivalent to child abuse or grooming.
Compare this to what happened when she was doxxed, the Libs of TikTok poster,
November 21st, 2022.
A photo of her home and address was posted in a tweet that had garnered more than 10,000 likes.
When Libs of TikTok told Twitter that the address had been disseminated,
she says Twitter support responded with this message.
We reviewed the report content and didn't find it to be in violation of the Twitter rules.
No action was taken.
The docs tweet is still up.
Still.
Still.
I wonder if Elon will take care of that one today.
I would hope.
In internal Slack messages, Twitter employees spoke of using technicalities to restrict the visibility of tweets and subjects.
Here's Yoel Roth, Twitter's then global head of trust and safety, in a direct message to a colleague.
SI has technically spam enforcements as a way to solve.
I can't read the whole thing.
Solve a problem created by safety under in under-enforcing their policies, which again isn't a problem per se, but it keeps us from addressing the root cause of the issue, which is that our safety policies need some attention.
Six days later, direct message with an employee on health misinformation, privacy, and identity research team.
Roth requested more research to support expanding non-removal policy interventions like disabling engagements and de-amplification, visibility filtering.
These are all the things that were
under the banner of shadow bans that they denied over and over.
So it just goes on and on, but it is
more of the same.
Everything that we knew.
Now, this story, you would think, can't get any worse, right?
Well,
if you remember back in June 23,
in 2022,
there were a number of people
that pointed out that Twitter was hiring an alarming number of FBI agents.
And this is something we pointed out in a special just recently:
that all of them are doing this.
The revolving door from the FBI to Amazon, to Google, to
Zuckerberg's Facebook, and to Twitter is astounding.
One of the guys who went to Twitter is James Baker.
Now,
I'm thinking about an old poster, a propaganda poster from the Soviet Union.
Vladimir Lenin stands in front of a giant red Soviet emblem with his right arm stretching forward, and the caption reads, to the bright future of communist society, universal prosperity and enduring peace.
The words to the bright future would would be used
by some
at the Politburo, policy officials in the KGB, as an excuse when they asserted their heavy hand on their people.
You don't like reporting nothing but propaganda and lies in the Soviet media?
Don't worry, it's for your safety.
To the bright future.
You don't want your family member go to the re-education camp?
To the bright future.
For others, all the people suffering under communist control, the phrase became a sort of coping mechanism.
Sure, this all sucks, but to the bright future.
Now,
Soviets did that because the ends justify the means.
They had a plan,
the bright future, and that
allowed them to justify
anything.
We see this happening everywhere.
Now, think
about that that the next time you use a phone that was made by Huawei or you fire up TikTok.
A product you're using can be used to support Chinese national intelligence work.
But it's not just Chinese, Russian.
It is also Americans.
The FBI is the political
commissars.
They admitted recently to holding regular meetings with all of the big social media companies.
They maintained, quote, relationships and met weekly.
Mark Zuckerberg gave a hint on a Joe Rogan podcast that some of the meetings contained information that would
warn them against things like the Hunter Biden laptop.
Now,
They knew it wasn't Russian propaganda.
So why was the FBI feeding misinformation to social media companies?
We know the FBI didn't want Donald Trump to become president because we saw that when an FBI lawyer was caught falsifying evidence in order to get a FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign, Carter Page,
nothing happened to him.
Speaking of FBI lawyers, it was the FBI's top lawyer, James Baker, that helped facilitate the meeting between the Democratic operative Michael Susspin and the FBI investigators to look into the bogus Trump alphabet smear.
Okay?
That was the top FBI lawyer, James Baker.
He then left the FBI.
And guess who hired him?
Twitter.
Now this is before
Elon Musk.
Now
we know from the Twitter file disclosure that James Baker now Twitter's top lawyer, helped suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
So he went from the FBI to Twitter to help shape all of the news that you would get off of Twitter.
But wait, there's more.
When Musk tried to release the file showing how Twitter suppressed the story,
Baker intercepted the evidence to vet what was about to be released.
We're talking real time here, gang.
Was it to take out the parts that showed the FBI was involved?
Musk this week was not amused and fired James Baker.
But don't be surprised if he goes right back to the FBI or to Facebook or to Google or to Amazon.
The Twitter files show how outside political actors, usually from the left, have a far too friendly relationship with big tech and these companies are all too willing to do their bidding.
We knew all of this already.
It was obvious.
But it is truly remarkable to see in their own emails.
Because it leads one to ask the question: what is the difference between China and the Soviet Union and us?
Here's the bad news.
The difference is that the people of the Soviet Union and China had this kind of behavior forced on them.
Today, Silicon Valley and the media do it voluntarily
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Ah.
So,
how are you, Stu?
Really good.
You know, I mean,
I'm fascinated that we're actually starting to learn things behind the scenes at Twitter.
It's interesting how Elon Musk is doing this.
He's giving all of these broad access to all of these emails to a couple of different journalists.
And I guess
the only
condition is they put the results out first on Twitter.
That's it.
Do whatever you want.
Say whatever you want.
Just do it on Twitter first.
I think that's great.
He doesn't seem to be trying to hide anything.
In fact, the exact opposite.
He's trying to be transparent and trying to bring back the trust to the site.
Is he, though?
Adam Schiff,
I think, called him out yesterday.
I mean,
Adam Schiff came out and he said, hey, hate speech is crazy.
You know, the slurs against black people, women, Jewish people, and gay men, the numbers on Twitter are abysmal and unacceptable.
And we're going to be demanding action there in Congress.
Are you shift?
Are you?
Are you?
And as Elon Musk pointed out, actually, hate speech is down by a third since he took over.
But
why would facts bother anybody at all?
Always in the way.
Shift facts.
By the way, did you see too that Elon Musk tweeted this?
As Barry Weiss clearly describes, the rules were enforced against the right, but not against the left.
So
this is exactly what we've been saying.
And at some level, right, you have this
impression, right?
You look at these social media sites and you have an impression.
You can cite anecdotal evidence, right, of people you know on the right that were censored and people on the left, you can say, oh, well, how come this person wasn't taken down and this person was?
But that's not.
evidence, right?
It's like an impression.
This is evidence.
This is evidence.
Yeah, this is evidence.
And they were doing all of those things we said they were doing.
You know, and I think Twitter was the least of the offenders.
I think that's true.
I think that if you look at Google, YouTube,
and Facebook, I bet you it is much, much worse.
So, just if Elon Musk can just buy all the other companies, too.
Well, if Elon Musk can stay out of jail.
My gosh, he's being investigated and everything, which just again goes to reinforce the point that government and these media outlets are in bed and are acting in a coordinated fashion.
They're protecting each other.
And it also enforces the point that the left does not actually care about global warming.
If there's ever been a more clear example, they despise this person who's created the largest electric car company in the world, and they hate him for it.
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Welcome.
I'm so glad that you have joined us today.
We unfortunately have a lot of stuff to cover.
The White House is defending their Russian prisoner swap.
It is amazing.
Now, I know that I have a different opinion on this, but it has always been my feeling and what I always say to my kids whenever we go to another country.
You have a passport, yes.
But the government's not going to come and get you if you break this country's laws.
If you break the laws, you know, you murder somebody, you're doing drugs, whatever, if that's the law, you know, you should be pretty aware of it.
Nobody's coming over to Saudi Arabia to rescue me if I happen to bring in a box of Bibles.
You know what I mean?
It's against the law.
So
I don't like the fact that we're going for
I mean, I don't mind it because I think the punishment is so harsh, but I don't like the fact that we've gone after this woman, which I believe we are really only making this big of a deal out of.
Not that we shouldn't rescue her or anything else, but we are willing to trade away
a brutal killer, a guy who is called the merchant of death.
And I believe we're only doing it
because of the sexuality
of Griner.
There's
several things at play here.
It's a gift to the LGBT community because he's going to take out Sam,
is his name Sam Britton?
Yeah.
I thought it was Brinson, but
you're talking about, yeah, the person who keeps stealing luggage at airports.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I think it's partially that.
I think there is a fame component to it.
She's a famous prisoner.
Yes.
There is probably a, there's a multiple intersectional lines she crosses off.
It's not just the LGBTQQIA 2 community.
Right, right, right.
So that's there as well.
And America loves their WNBA.
I mean,
there's a lot of passion for the WNBA.
Here's my biggest problem.
My biggest problem with this is who we, I guess, America does negotiate for terrorists.
That's scary.
This should
warning, do not go to any country that is
in the least shape or form anti-American
because you are now a target
to get
a known deadly terrorist out of prison.
To be used as a chip, right?
And we should, and I know you mentioned this off the air, but we should point out that there's a good chance that she didn't actually commit a crime.
Yeah, because we don't know if she committed this crime or not.
She admitted it, but she admitted it in Russia.
In Russian culture.
I mean, what are you going to do?
Right.
It could very well be that she said whatever she had to say at that time.
And I'm glad she's out, and I'm glad she's home.
You know, I don't like the fact that we left the FBI or the
former Marine there.
We can leave the FBI agent there, but not the former Marine.
I don't like that.
You know, can we get a little more for Victor Bout?
Here's the CBS 60 Minutes segment on who this guy is.
Victor Boot,
in my eyes,
is one of the the most dangerous men on the face of the earth.
On the face of the earth.
Without a doubt.
Mike Braun, the former chief of operations for the U.S.
Drug Enforcement Administration, told us Boot first exploded on the scene in war-torn West Africa in the late 1980s.
Elevating bloody conflicts from machetes and single-shot rifles to...
AK-47s, not by the thousands, but by the tens of thousands.
So he weaponizes civil war in Africa.
He transformed these young adolescent warriors into
insidious, mindless, maniacally driven killing machines that operated with assembly line efficiencies.
Now 43 Boot from the Soviet Republic of Tajikistan is a mystery man who reportedly served in the Soviet Air Force and intelligence service.
The U.S.
has indicted him on four terror-related charges.
including conspiracy to kill Americans.
What makes him a threat to the United States?
He is a shadow facilitator.
He's arming not only designated terrorist groups, insurgent groups, but he's also arming very powerful drug trafficking cartels around the globe.
Taking advantage of Russian military contacts at the highest levels and the collapse of the Soviet Union, federal prosecutors allege Boud essentially became a one-stop shop, offering an unlimited supply of stockpiled Cold War weapons to bad guys around the world, including Charles Taylor of Liberia, who's now on trial for war crimes.
According to the U.S.
indictment, Boot had a unique selling point when it came to weapons trafficking.
A fleet of cargo airplanes capable of transporting weapons and military equipment anytime, anywhere.
More than 60 planes in all.
His own private Air Force.
Those Russian aircraft were built like flying dump trucks.
He could move this stuff and drop it with pinpoint accuracy to any desert, to any jungle, to any other remote place in the world, right into the hands of what I refer to as the potpourri of global scum.
So let's see.
We're funding the war for Ukraine, trying to defend itself against Russia, and we hand over a guy who knows how to arm and knows how to
take war and escalate it into a massive killing machine.
That's good.
That's really good.
I think it's worth the WNBA player.
Look,
that's maybe the most amazing part.
You could really make the argument that no matter how many prisoners they had, we shouldn't trade this guy for them.
No.
He is one of the most, I mean, he's responsible for, God, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of deaths.
When he was captured,
he was trying to sell weapons to Colombian terrorists.
And the Colombian terrorist said to Victor Boot, We are going to use these weapons.
We may wind up shooting down U.S.
pilots.
And Boot responded, We have the same enemy.
Now, the person he was talking to was not actually a Colombian terrorist.
He was an agent, an undercover agent, and they arrested him on the spot.
But he literally was in the middle of trying to kill U.S.
citizens.
while he was arrested.
I mentioned yesterday when you were outlining the movie Lord of War with Nicholas Cage, which is about this guy's life, you know, pretty close to it.
They change his name, they change some of the details, but it's pretty close to his life.
And you see how he did this.
He went into the Soviet Union as it was collapsing and, you know, in a business sense, in an evil sense, a brilliant way,
realized that there was no more oversight from the central government of all of these weapons.
So he bought them.
for pennies on the dollar, bribed officials locally in the military who had lost support from Moscow.
They no longer had the funds coming in.
He would ship them all across the world.
And it's true.
I mean, Liberia, all over Western Africa, he created
major, major problems and mass armies that killed all sorts of innocent people, including villages of women and children, reportedly in front of him as these deals were going down.
So here is what NBC News reported:
because everybody's talking about the FBI, or sorry, the Marine that we left behind, Whalen.
He has been left behind.
The White House, originally, this is what NBC reported.
Victor Boot, a Russian arms dealer who served 11 years of a 25-year sentence in the U.S., but the official said, this is a U.S.
senior U.S.
official, said Russia treated Whalen differently because he's an accused spy, and the Kremlin gave the White House the choice of either Greiner or Whelan, or none.
Okay?
Mm-hmm.
Unfortunately, NBC changes that.
Without announcing it, without announcing it, Stealth Edit, okay?
Is accused spy, and the Kremlin ultimately gave the White House a choice of either Greiner or no one after different options were proposed.
So why did they change this?
Why did they change it with Nancy Pelosi's husband?
NBC should have zero credibility in your world.
Zero.
We reached out to NBC because we'd like to have them be on record.
Why did they make the change to the story?
Why did they make it without an editorial note?
Did someone at the White House reach out to ask for the change?
Did the original source recant or stand by their initial claim?
Do you stand by that source and their credibility?
They haven't answered.
They just added
to their editorial correction.
An earlier version of this article misstated the choice of Biden administration was given over the hostage.
It was a swap for Greiner or no one, not a choice between Greiner and Whalen.
Right.
Yeah.
Don't believe it.
Right.
This is the same place that's suspending reporters for accurate reports on the Pelosi incident.
Yeah, the guy is still not.
We don't even.
They disappeared.
I mean, he disappeared.
I mean, I don't think anything.
He's probably on the beach someplace, but where is he?
Where is he?
And why?
NBC is absolutely in the pocket for the White House.
They're well sourced, Glenn.
That's what they call it in the media.
We're well sourced.
Yeah, we got it right from the horse's mouth.
Yeah.
And we reported exactly what they told us to say.
That's how this works.
Yavol.
They have contacts.
deep inside the government who tell them exactly what they should print.
And if they don't print it, they don't get the next scoop.
So there's nothing wrong with that.
And then you can have all the sounds.
Oh, there's a lot wrong with it.
And then, of course, they're also politically aligned.
So that makes it a lot easier.
You're going to go against the Office of Goebbels.
Are you going to really do that?
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't do it.
All right.
Stand by.
More in a minute.
Bill O'Reilly coming up.
Also, we have a couple of other really great guests today.
We have Jefferson Morley.
He's the JFK facts editor at the Mary Farrell Foundation.
He's the vice president.
There were a trove of documents on JFK's assassination that may be released next week.
They all revolve around
the connection
of the CIA
and the FBI
to the guy guy who we all believe
shot JFK.
Huh, wait a minute.
We're now starting to get information out, possibly tomorrow, or I mean, next week, that
he was working for the CIA?
We get that at the top of hour number three.
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No, you got to get down comfortable.
Maybe bring a pillow.
Glue yourself to the floor.
Not a movable object.
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Bill O'Reilly, welcome to the program, sir.
A lot to address today.
Yes, and first I want to thank you for giving my latest book, Killing the Legends, as well as Killing the Killers, to to your staff for Christmas.
That was really nice.
I think that was a very, very nice job.
And I appreciate you autographing them and sending them each,
you know, by name for each member of the staff for free.
My pleasure to do it for the contact people.
There you go.
Well, thank you, Bill.
I think so great.
So, Bill, where do you want to start?
There's two stories, the Britney Griner or the Twitter files.
Which do you want to take first?
Well, let's go with the Griner story first because
there's a lot of unfairness surrounding this story.
I was watching Fox News and I don't watch a lot of cable news much anymore because it's unbelievably repetitive.
It's just like the same thing every hour, you know, my God.
But anyway,
there were commentators on FNC that were going, oh, this is a terrible deal, terrible deal, terrible deal.
Okay, fine.
So you always break these things down.
Number one,
the United States and Biden have no power here at all.
None.
They go into a negotiation with no power.
It would be like me negotiating with Stu.
Stu didn't have any power.
I mean, I just go in and I run roughshod right over.
It's very rude.
Very rude.
Especially around the holidays, Bill.
Yeah, I know, but you know what's true.
Of course.
So Putin holds all the power there in the negotiation because Putin doesn't care whether anybody lives or dies except Putin.
He doesn't care about Britney Griner.
He doesn't care about the arms dealer.
He didn't care about anybody.
So he's tweaking the United States and he goes, okay, how can I embarrass Biden?
And here's how I can do it.
I can give somebody up who's in jail for pot oil possession, and then I'm going to demand Satan in return.
Okay?
And that's pretty much what it was, right?
Right, right.
Okay.
So then if you're going to negotiate negotiate at all, you've got to understand that the United States going in knew it was going to lose, had no power, nothing.
I say I would have made the deal because, number one,
Satan, the arms dealer, had been incarcerated for 18 years.
I believe it was 11.
Well, wait a minute.
2008, God, my math, unbelievable.
Yeah.
So it'll be what?
14 then?
14 years.
They grabbed him in Thailand in 2008.
I mean, and this guy is sincerely the devil.
Right.
So they grabbed him, and he's been in 14.
So it's not like he's not been punished.
And then the PR aspect for Biden voters is through the roof.
And because you have an African-American who's gay and who likes marijuana.
I mean, that's like the profile for people who vote for Biden, right?
So Biden made the deal.
I would have made the deal on a humanitarian basis because you never would have gotten her out.
It's not like Biden on Christmas goes, you know, I'm going to grant pardons to people.
No, that's not what he does.
Right.
Okay.
Now, how do you feel about leaving the Marine behind?
Well, what do you mean leaving him behind?
We have no way to get him out.
How are we going to get him out?
There's no way to know.
No, he just gave the Soviet Union,
you know,
the early 2000s version of Hitler.
I don't know.
Yeah,
he got this poor guy over there.
All right.
Putin doesn't need money.
He's the richest man in the world.
So you can't buy him out.
Again, Putin doesn't care whether anybody lives or dies.
And he's holding a guy.
You know, hopefully he can use him some way to embarrass the United States.
Now, it was interesting to see that Trump couldn't get him out either.
This Marine over there.
Well, Putin offered him the same deal, and he said no.
Well, it wasn't the same deal because Greiner wasn't.
No, no, no, not with ⁇ well, not with Greiner, but for
the.
I'm not sure that was true.
That's a report.
But
that doesn't sound right to me.
And Pompeo has not confirmed that.
Okay.
Which is the way I always look.
So anyway, look, I'm glad the woman is back.
I hope she stops denigrating her country.
She was a big kneeler during the national anthem.
But what I really like to see her do is go around and talk to kids about pot marijuana.
I mean, I really would like to see her.
I'm sure she would, you know, probably some of the cannabis dealers that are available in your own local market.
Oh, I see what you're going for, girl.
Okay.
All right.
Do you want to go to
Elon Musk?
Okay.
So I wrote a column, and I'm sure you read it because
Elon Shakes It Up.
Yeah, very good, Beck.
Elon Shakesit Up, BillOreilly.com.
And this is a a great thing for America.
I mean, it really is an excellent thing.
It doesn't matter whether you like Elon Musk or not.
So what he's basically done is said, look, I know, because I bought this company, how corrupt this company is and was.
So I fired 50% of the people who were engaging in the corruption.
They're already gone.
And now I'm going to embarrass
the previous people by dripping out terrible things that Twitter did.
But the real importance of the story is that now the Republican House committees, which will investigate the 2020 presidential election and its
linkage to social media, will subpoena all these people, including the FBI people.
I mean, that is a colossal advantage for people who want to know the truth.
Aaron Powell, Jr.: Yeah, but do you really think?
I mean, see, I have such little faith
in
justice in America anymore that what is that going to mean?
So they sit in front of Congress and they tell the truth or don't tell the truth.
What's going to happen?
For the FBI,
there could be charges, criminal charges, against those agents if they did actively involve themselves in a presidential election.
So that absolutely could happen.
Now, under
the present regime, Biden regime, no, but there's a statute of limitations that extends past.
For the Twitter people, nobody's going to go to jail.
Nobody's going to get anything.
But what will happen is that the American people will know how bad the fix was in.
And they got to know this.
Because what people, people, American people are,
they know about 20%
of really what is happening to them.
They don't know the other thing.
I'm not sure that that's even low enough, but I agree with you.
But you know where I'm going.
Yeah, I do.
I do.
Okay, so we all walk around in a free society and we think we know
how our government is working and how things evolve, and we don't.
And
it's at a crisis level now because it's easy
to suppress a huge story like Hunter Biden.
So
easy.
You know, I did an interview yesterday for my podcast that comes out Saturday.
It's out now on Blaze TV, but it was with the woman that was going to be the CEO of Levi's.
And she was the president of Levi's.
And she started speaking out.
She was a big progressive.
And she started speaking out against the school closings for COVID early, early on.
And
Levi's was freaked out.
Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it.
And they finally fired her, and
she refused to take the money to remain silent because she felt this was important to say.
And we were having a conversation yesterday that
the truth is there if you want to see it, but you have to be willing to see it.
You have to be willing to look for it and then stand up.
And we were talking about how does that happen?
If you go back to Germany, and I know you're a history buff, you go back to Germany, there were two newspapers.
One was pro-fascism, one was against fascism.
And it is said that you could read the two papers about the same event and would come to a completely different conclusion after reading that.
that one paper.
And people did not cross the streams.
They didn't read both, generally speaking.
We're in the same place.
What do we do?
What do we want to do what they want to believe?
That's the real crisis in America.
So rather than being intellectually curious and actually seeking what is reality, what is the truth,
most of us do not do that anymore because that's difficult to do.
So it's much easier to just stand in line.
and believe what your friends believe.
And this is particularly true to the under 18, you know, this crew.
So
if your high school is liberal, well, you're not going to go against that because then you'll be isolated and you won't have social opportunities.
And the teachers are all lined up against you.
And, you know, it's like, that's a pretty heavy burden for a kid.
And that's happening more and more and more and more.
I don't know whether you've picked up on this, but you really should, Bec, and maybe we can talk about it next week.
I'm doing a Wednesday spot with News Nation with Chris Cuomo.
Did you know that?
Yes, I did.
Okay.
So I'm doing it for one reason only, because there is no debate anymore on cable television.
So what I did on The Factor, what you did when you were on CNN and Fox, that's gone.
Because it's far too difficult for the hosts to basically study up on their position to fight off another position.
They can't do it anymore.
So it's like, I think this, and let's bring on our first guest who thinks exactly like I do.
That's the whole thing.
So
Cuomo came to me and I said, yeah, I'll do it, but it's going to be debate.
I mean, I'm not going to let you stay your left-wing propaganda.
I'm going to swat you.
All right, he goes, oh, I'm up for it.
Okay.
So that's what we're doing.
And it's fascinating to see how, and Cuomo
is an establishment Democrat.
That's what he is.
His family's always been that.
But in the reveal of the debate, you get what is being fed out from that crew.
And you see it.
Like, oh, Joe Biden's not responsible for inflation.
What?
That kind of thing.
And I hit him last, just a couple of days ago.
I said, when Trump was left off, inflation was 1.3%
when he walked out the door.
And the answer was, but the sands were sown.
I said, what?
This is insane.
He governed for four years.
But that's what it is.
And then the Democrats, the people who voted for Warnock in
Georgia, they go, yeah, that's right.
It's not Biden's fault.
We're paying four times as much for everything.
The seeds were sown.
What is that?
This is just insane.
But that's what's happening in this country.
All right.
Hang on just a second.
We're back with Bill O'Reilly.
I want to ask you a final question about James Baker, the FBI agent, not the other famous James Baker.
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So I want to go back to the Twitter thing and this is disturbing to me.
There's a lot of FBI agents that are going from job to job.
All of them, all of these high-ranking FBI officials are going into
Google and Amazon and Facebook and Twitter.
And one of them was James Baker.
And James Baker is the guy that was the chief attorney for the FBI that
introduced the Alphabank scandal.
He was,
you know,
not dissed for that.
He was the guy with Michael Sussman,
and he left the FBI, and then he went to Twitter.
He's also the guy now that helped suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
This last week, he intercepted the evidence to vet what was going to be released.
Was it to take out the parts that the FBI was involved in with Twitter?
We're not sure.
Musk found out, fired James Baker.
And
I wouldn't be surprised to see him go right back to the FBI or to another
Facebook or Google or something like that.
Baker's part of the FBI, Swamp, Comey, McCabe, all of those people.
That's the club.
And the club hated Donald Trump from the very beginning.
And the club decided to try to destroy Donald Trump.
This is within the FBI, this cabal, okay?
And this is absolutely the truth.
And maybe there were...
10 or 15 of these people all based in D.C.
And they started to run
all of these illegal activities like the Russian collusion thing and then they went branched out into social media and then when Biden got nominated they said we'll elect Biden because we hate Trump we couldn't stop him the first time we tried but we couldn't now we'll stop him the second time that's the overarch of where James Baker lives okay
so it got too hot for him at the FBI and so he went to Twitter his pals his buddies and they paid him a fortune and he moves out to Silicon Valley and then he is the chief suppressor of information that might hurt Joe Biden so he was in charge of that suppression
and then when Musk took over I don't think he knew that Musk should have called me
and then Baker's still there and now they tried to suppress what Musk was going to put out and finally Musk caught him and fired him.
So that's where we are.
So Baker's hot witness number one
when the Judiciary Committee goes in to probe whether or not the FBI injected itself to get Joe Biden elected.
Did you?
Here's the story.
Did you see the
story about,
hang on, let me see if I can find it here real quick.
The story,
here it is.
Seven more Republicans vow to oppose Kevin Kevin McCarthy.
And these are the House Freedom Caucus guys.
And one of their demands is to make a rule change that makes it easier to remove the House Speaker by allowing any lawmaker to offer a motion to vacate the chair.
Then they are also demanding that legislation must focus on a single topic, be publicly available for 72 hours before a vote so that it can be read and receive a full debate with the ability to offer and vote on amendments.
Now,
this, I guess, is a big deal.
I think those are all very reasonable and only return us back to a deliberative body.
Am I wrong?
I don't think you're wrong, Beck, but you know, me, I idolize at the
foot of Glenn Beck.
So I'm not objective there when you ask me.
Right.
Wrong, because my gut, my knee, you know, is like, no, Beck's never wrong.
look all mccarthy has to say is look yeah i like those things that's what i would do yeah oh yeah i i want look who who opposes reading reading um legislation right so mccarthy goes yeah that's a great idea we'll do that and yeah you want to uh
file a motion that i'm an idiot anytime you want sure go ahead and then so mccarthy's going to be the speaker i don't even bother with this political politics stuff it's just annoying to me.
I wish more people would pay attention to that because that's very reasonable and we should be demanding that.
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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.
It is Friday.
Mitt Romney yesterday voiced his support for a carbon tax in order to help combat climate change.
So we got that going for us.
Yeah.
And remember, Romney runs again in 2024.
The problem, of course, is
there's no way to change that.
I mean,
he's got the nomination already.
Already he's running.
No, he's running again.
So he would have to win a primary?
No, he'd just have to run and then lose.
In the primary?
No.
Well, in the primary, yeah, I guess you would.
Somebody would have to, yeah,
in the primary.
You would lose to the Democrat or
you think he'd lose to the Republican because I think he'll lose to both.
He may.
I will say
this is the type of race that conservatives should be focusing on.
Look, Susan Collins is Susan Collins.
We know she kind of sucks.
She's also in Maine.
And, you know, maybe that's the best we can do in Maine right now.
We got to work long term to make sure we change the minds of people who live in Maine.
And maybe a lot of people need to move to Maine that are more sane than the typical people who are in Maine.
I love you, Maine, but you know what I'm talking about.
Everyone in Maine's like, yeah, I know, I know.
I live right around all those people.
But like, Susan Collins might be as good as we can do in Maine.
I can tell you this, Mitt Romney is not as good as we could do in Utah.
No.
We can do much, much better in Utah.
We can have an actual conservative in Utah.
But he does.
We do have an actual conservative in Utah.
His name is Mike Lee.
No, but this conservative, real deep conservative, believes in a carbon tax.
A carbon tax.
Yeah, so that's going to be, that's going to be.
Did those words come through?
A carbon tax.
Something proposed by Barack Obama that couldn't get through.
Now, he, of course, famously lost to Barack Obama.
At that time, he was saying a carbon tax was a bad idea.
No, now it's a good idea.
Now it's a good idea.
Everyone in Utah should be thinking about who.
Look around.
Sean Reyes.
Sean Ray is
like he would be.
Sean Reyes.
He's not announced a run.
We should be clear.
Ah, yeah.
I'm sure he has.
I don't think he has.
I'm pretty sure he has a candidate.
He would be a pretty good candidate, though.
I will tell you, here's a guy who's been.
I'm drafting him.
Yes, he's already announced.
I don't think that's how this works exactly, but this is a guy who's fought a lot of really important battles that maybe you haven't heard about.
I don't know.
How familiar are people in Utah of Sean Reyes?
Oh, I think a well-known figure there.
We know him because we run in very nerdy circles.
Circles, yeah.
We know the attorney generals.
Yeah.
We've interviewed like 80 of them.
There's only 50 states.
We've interviewed 80 of them somehow.
But like, you know, Sean Ray stands out as one of the best in the country.
Yeah.
And
he seems like, to me at least, to be a really good candidate to go in there and defeat Mitt Romney in a primary.
It's amazing to have a partner to Mike Lee, one that understands the Constitution, and then the other guy who's known as a fighter that just goes in and just bulldozes and knows how to get things done.
Be nice to have those two, but, or you can have your carbon tax with Mitt Romney.
I want to talk a little bit about
the energy department official.
who we all know as Sam Brinton.
They, them, by the way, those are his pronouns.
Oh, did I say his?
Those are their pronouns.
And he has,
he's already been, you know,
put on hiatus from the energy department because he stole a woman's suitcase.
He went to the airport, got onto a plane, didn't check any luggage, then went, got some luggage, looked at the tag, ripped the tag off, and left.
Well, he's done it again.
No, he's no, he's done it again.
Oh, no.
No, he's done it again.
You mean they've done it again?
They've done it again.
I wonder which one of them is the mastermind.
Ah, maybe that's the thing.
Maybe you could just can you blame the other gender?
It wasn't me, it was them.
If you're gender fluid, can you say actually that was the male me who did that?
And you're currently talking to the female me, which you cannot imprison for that charge.
Exactly right.
Exactly right.
So he's done it again, and they've asked now the Republicans, because they're so extremist, they have called for Brinton to step down.
And,
you know,
it's just because of his pronouns.
I'm sure that's the only reason.
Well, there's also this.
This is from the website LGBTQNation.com.
My homepage.
Has Sam Brinton's story always been too good to be true?
Yes.
Sam Brinton,
listen to this.
Listen, this is amazing.
This is from an LGBTQ person.
A non-binary LGBTQ plus activist and outspoken opponent of conversion therapy has been charged with felony theft.
They allegedly stole a woman's suitcase worth $2,325 from a Carousel Minneapolis airport.
He's a nuclear expert at the Department of Energy before being suspended from their duties, has a December 19th hearing.
They face up to five years of imprisonment.
Criminal case, blah, blah, blah.
The writer goes on to say, Sam Britton burst onto the scene October 1st, 2010 in a riveting two-part interview with I'm From Driftwood.
They revealed the most shocking.
I remember, we all remember where we were when that two-part interview came out, and it was riveting.
Well, I'm riveting as avatar.
Yeah.
Wait.
It revealed the most shocking conversion story activists had heard since the 1960s.
It involved Britton coming out to
their parents at the age of 11 and their father reacting with a swift punch to their face.
My dad just started punching.
It was the first day that I was sent to the emergency room because I had fallen down the stairs.
I was sent to the emergency room about six more times from falling down the stairs or tripping on the sidewalk.
I'm in this constant state of fear, he claimed.
They claimed.
My dad also held a gun up to my head multiple times.
Britton says that he was then sent to a cruel and
sadistic Florida conversion therapist, who they saw for two or three years.
Although, the author points out, his timeline periodically changes depending on the media interview.
Britton alleges this practitioner used aversion therapy, which includes sessions where they were tortured with extreme heat, ice, and needles.
We then went into the mouth of hell, he alleged,
or the month of hell.
The month of hell consisted of tiny needles being stuck into my fingers, and then pictures of explicit acts between men would be shown and I would be electrocuted.
Wow.
Yeah, that's quite a riveting tale.
Yeah, that happened.
Boy, we need to get that.
We need to get that conversion.
We need to be made arrested.
Well, that's what this particular LGBTQ person
was saying
because she's one of the activists that try to stop conversion therapy and this is really, really bad.
And there's more to it, but I'm just gonna leave it.
As an LGBTQ plus activist fighting against conversion therapy with my organization, Truth Wins Out, and the author of Anything But Straight, I'm Asking Lies, blah, blah, blah, I had hoped to work with Brinton to expose the harm of conversion therapy.
I excitedly reached out to Brinton and they were oddly inaccessible, communicating indirectly through an intermediary in the Boston area.
Yeah,
I just asked a simple question.
Who was your conversion therapist and in which facility did the therapy occur?
Seemed like pretty critical
questions.
And the answers would be critical.
First, to share Brinton's story, we had to verify if it was true.
Second, Brinton's testimony involved a torture center where hideous abuses were presumably still occurring against children
at least as young as 11.
Well,
he was unavailable to comment.
And that, you know, that was weird that nobody else was reporting this.
And
he wouldn't say that.
Then he said he's not able to comment because
when he tries to dig in deeper to the memories of that time, I simply don't have his name.
I can picture him clear as a day in my nightmares, but his name is not there.
Wow.
So he was in a very fragile state.
So why is he going around different media places and different legislatures, lawmakers?
And
what were they were they
exploiting him, putting his mental health at risk?
She writes, to believe Britton, one would have to suspend reality and buy the explanation that they couldn't recall the name of the therapist.
For over two years, I sat on a couch and endured emotionally painful sessions.
Does this even sound plausible, or is Britton more concerned about keeping their story unverifiable?
Also,
one wonders how Britton can recall vibrant, unusually specific details about the therapy experience, but not the identity of the therapist.
One striking
instance,
Britton told NBC News there were seven King James Bibles on a stack on a coffee table.
I checked with a top expert at conversion therapy in Orlando region.
He said that no known conversion office in a strip mall existed.
He was talking about that during the years that Britton attended therapy.
After the airport incident, I called Britton's mother, Peggy Joe Brinton.
Uh-oh.
She told me her child had attended therapy, but it was not conversion therapy.
She refused to provide the name of the mystery counselor, but added, I do love Sam dearly.
For the record, she also denied that Sam was physically abused or attempted suicide.
Of course, let's not deny there's compelling interest in refuting these serious allegations.
Exactly right.
Britton said, I can picture him as clearly as a day in my nightmares every day.
If that's true, she writes, why hasn't Britton tried to identify this monster by finding his picture online?
After all, how many conversion therapists are there in Orlando?
Have they ever reached out to experts in the region to help find this abomination who is presumably still preying on children?
Other holes in his story have emerged.
In some versions, Brinton claims that they went to a Florida therapist, yet the Des Moines Register reports that they began a series of out-of-state treatments.
Which is it?
He also reports Sam specifies this according to LGBTQ Nation.
Sam specifies their counselor was a religious therapist and not a doctor.
Yet Britton penned in 2014 for the National Center for Lesbian Rights
they described their counselor as a psychotherapist.
The same year, they told the UN's Committee Against Torture in Switzerland, when I was a child, a licensed psychotherapist tried and failed to change something I never chose.
So when Britain was trying to specifically ban licensed conversion therapists from practicing, they suddenly upgraded the credentials of their mystery therapist.
Interesting.
This story goes on, and
what her point is, is that he has discredited the LGBTQ community and everyone in the community knew that there were problems with his story, but they just wanted
to believe
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That always is.
And everybody out there, right or left, should check your bias when you go into a story.
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I feel like we do that all the time.
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you know, we're talking about how everything falls apart at the end.
Madonna,
she's now 64 years old, and she's got new video out of her taken by her or somebody, I don't know, in bondage gear and biting down on a writing crop.
Now,
I've always wanted to picture grandma like that.
And thank you, Madonna, for providing those images for us.
She's 64 years old.
This is what's so sad about this:
these people don't have anything else but their image.
They don't have anything else but this fake world that they created.
Gravity always wins.
Yeah.
So now they're left with nothing.
And as the image starts to go away and you are no longer that,
you try desperately anything that will get you back into that party.
And in Madonna's case,
how many times did it work?
It worked so many times where she would quote unquote reinvent herself and get back into the public eye.
You know, she'd do the thing with Britney Spears.
You know, she kind of in her 40s then, right?
Yep.
And she kept figuring out ways to get back into the public eye.
And you see her keep trying it.
It's really sad.
It's awful.
It's very sad.
Awful.
Very sad.
And she looks, it doesn't look like the same person.
No.
She does not look just older, which, of course, you expect with everybody.
That's what happens in life.
She's tried to fight that process, fighting gravity, which again always wins.
But she also just looks totally different, like a different person.
And she's having almost the the Michael Jackson thing happen, where like you can't even recognize them from their younger years.
And it is, uh, it's tragically, tragically sad.
And this is going to happen with so many people all around the world that are, and I don't mean just in facial surgery or whatever.
Yeah.
They're putting all of their eggs into the basket of me, me, me, or image.
That's why you're so inspiring.
You're just letting yourself go.
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I want to take you back just a few years back to 1992.
there was the President John F.
Kennedy Records Collection Act of 1992.
This was to secure the release of all of the records relating to the assassination of John F.
Kennedy in 1962 or 63?
62 wasn't it?
Or 63.
Anyway, when he was assassinated, they sealed all of these records.
1992 comes along, the records are 30 years old, and they're like, okay, come on, let's release these.
They worked hard to get the information out.
However,
at the time, most assassination records being 30 years old, Congress stipulated only in the rarest
of occasions is there any legitimate need for continued protection they should be released.
The review board anticipated, as Congress mandated, that all postponed information, anything that had been redacted, need to be opened to the public no later than 2017.
Okay?
So, 1963,
1992, all the way to 2017,
this
is still
not being released, even though
by law it's supposed to be.
Okay,
what are they hiding that 60 years later needs to be protected?
We might have an answer because next week these documents are supposed to be released.
Will they be?
And what do they hide?
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Hello, Jefferson.
How are you, sir?
I'm very good.
Thanks for having me.
I am thrilled to have you on.
I don't understand what it is that they are still protecting after 60 years.
Well, there's the big picture and there's the little picture.
The big picture is there's about 16,000 U.S.
government documents that contain some redactions ranging from a word, a name, to a paragraph to a whole page.
16,000 different documents, most of those held by the CIA and FBI.
So we're going to,
some portion of those will be released next week.
And then very specifically, people ask me, people at the Mary Farrell Foundation, at the JFK FACS substack where I write,
what are they hiding specifically?
And what they're hiding is what they've hidden all along, which is the interest of CIA officers in Lee Harvey Oswald, the man who was accused of killing Kennedy, the interest in him before President Kennedy was killed.
That's the story that's here.
It's a very sensitive story, and the CIA is loath to surrender.
Okay, so hang on just a second.
It is not necessarily that the CIA contracted him to kill Kennedy.
It's that the CIA was involved with him three months before and had him running operations for them, right?
They were using him for intelligence purposes, what's called psychological warfare, which can mean a wide variety of things.
But
from the available record, what we see is that we see what's called a COINTELPRO style operation.
COINTELPRO is.
Explain it for the listeners.
So COINTELPRO
was a joint CIA-FBI program, which was in effect from the late 50s to the early 70s.
And under COINTELPRO, the FBI or the CIA would
secretly use tactics to harass, disrupt, destroy groups that were considered subversive, leftist, you know, Martin Luther King's Southern Christian Leadership Conference, Socialist Workers' Party, sort of leftist groups that were officially considered subversive.
FBI Director J.
Edgar Huber,
CIA counterintelligence chief James Engels.
and they wanted to suppress these groups, harass them, get rid of them.
And so what seems to have been going on was a CIA operation against an organization called the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, a leftist group to which Oswald belonged.
That's where he was being used for intelligence purposes.
You know,
is this operation evidence of a conspiracy?
You know, we don't know.
It might be just incompetence.
You know, maybe they ran an operation and then this guy Oswald up and shot the president.
That part we can't tell without getting all of the records.
But something's going on here, and what they're hiding is their pre-assassination interest in Oswald.
Does it strike you as
we are living the same kind of history right now?
Tell me more about
the comparison.
We have the CIA and FBI involved in all kinds of things like at twitter to silence people to go after groups the fbi is being used as a weapon the intelligence departments are also being used as uh as weapons uh and it's i mean
okay i mean uh I mean, Glenn, if we're talking about the January 6th insurrection, I think the FBI and CIA response has been not inappropriate.
So yeah, no, I'm not talking about the January 6th.
I'm talking about things that have been going on for a while.
Just even look at what was released with Twitter and the FBI's involvement in Twitter and the Hunter Biden laptop, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean, I don't know how the Hunter Biden laptop story is relevant to the JFK story.
I do know what I'm talking about here.
And, you know, I don't want the JFK story to get wrapped up in contemporary politics.
The people who want the truth from the government on this issue are from the left,
left, people like me, people in the center, people who support President Trump.
Across the political spectrum, there's wide support for this.
So I don't want to get involved in a polemic about Hunter Biden's laptop, and this is just like that.
The JFK story is unique in and of itself.
I want to focus on that because it's a very important story that we're coming to see.
I guess I put that.
Yeah, I understand your point of view, and I agree with you.
It's smart to do that.
I actually, I didn't mean it to,
I didn't mean it to pull you into politics, but I guess it was a question.
It's a question.
Yeah.
It's a fair question.
Yeah.
But I think it's a little bit of a sideshow, and I'd rather talk about something we agree about rather than something we agree.
I understand.
So what is it that you're looking for that will be possibly released or held?
We're looking at the personnel files of CIA officers who knew about Oswald before the assassination, and these remain classified.
So we're trying to understand how CIA operations worked in 1963, and the documents that we're seeking are known.
They have been identified by the CIA as concerning things like intelligence methods, cover, travel.
And this, I think, will give more detail to what was going on with these CIA officers and Oswald in the course of 1963.
Do you have any doubt that Oswald did it and did it for his own personal desires?
Yes,
I don't think that Lee Harvey Oswald was the intellectual author of Kennedy's death.
I don't think that.
He might have fired a gun.
I think he knew what was going on, but he was not, this was bigger than Oswald.
And I think that
the records that we're seeking will shed light on this.
Did Oswald slip past all these CIA guys who were paying close attention to him in the summer and fall of 1963?
Or was there something else going on where people were actually manipulating Oswald to make him be what he said he was, a path?
And what was the CIA's motivation?
You know,
I think that
we need to understand the depth of hostility to the Kennedy presidency in the upper levels of the Pentagon and the CIA in 1963.
I think that there were people who were very afraid of Kennedy's policies on Vietnam and Cuba and regarded them as a threat to national security, a danger that had to be dealt with
by extreme means.
That's, you know,
That's my opinion.
There is other interpretations.
That's why we need to see all the records.
But yeah, yeah, that's my best guess.
Okay, so you also wrote the book and just released the book on the, what is it, the Scorpion?
Scorpion's Dance, yes.
Yeah.
About the CIA and Watergate.
Correct.
Can you go into that just a little bit?
So Scorpion's Dance tells the story of the very complex relationship between President Richard Nixon, 35th president, and Richard Helms, the eighth director of the CIA.
These men were both, you know,
very powerful men from the mid-1950s to the mid-1970s.
Helms as a rising officer and eventually director of the CIA, and Nixon as
vice president, as lawyer, super lawyer, and as president.
So they have this very
complex relationship because they're very, very different men.
Nixon, this humble striver from the West Coast.
Helms is the very picture of an East Coast, you know, aristocrat.
But they managed to get get along through Nixon's first term, and then comes Watergate.
And so their relationship is tested because all of those Watergate burglars worked for the CIA, or six of the seven.
So the book examines sort of
how Watergate culminated in these two men's career, how it erupted, and how they really they were both brought down by it.
Nixon was forced to resign, and Helms eventually was forced to plead guilty guilty to obstructing Congress.
And
was the only CIA director ever convicted of a crime.
So Scorpion's Dance is the story of those two men, Nixon and Helms.
So out of that came the church commission, right?
Right.
And have we effectively
cleaned it out?
Is the oversight there?
Because this
when you have unchecked, spooky kind of power, it's good and it can be bad.
And you're not sure how, you know, most people don't even know who the head of the CIA is right now.
Right.
You know, the Church Committee was the first effort of Congress to kind of rein in the CIA, cut their budget, hold them accountable.
That's when the Senate and House Intelligence Committees were created.
And sort of the knowledge of what was going on in the world of intelligence was distributed a little more widely in the Washington leadership.
It wasn't just concentrated in the CIA director.
Now, there's what's called the Gang of Eight, which is the House and Senate leadership.
The eight top officials in Congress are also have the,
are cleared to see any covert operation that's being undertaken by the U.S.
government.
Now, we don't, that system of oversight is not very strong.
It's been divided on
partisan lines in recent years.
And I mean, yes, we do not have strong oversight of the intelligence committee, the community, and that's a problem.
Jefferson, will you do me a favor?
If something comes out next week, when is this supposed to be released?
Well,
the deadline set by President Biden last year is December 15th.
So next Thursday, we expect that the archives will
start depositing.
Who's the biggest obstructor of this?
Is it the CIA?
by far about about 80 percent of the remaining documents that have redactions are cia documents so they are the agency that is most aggressive in asking for discontinued secrecy
and trump tried to get it released biden says it needs to be released
no no no no no no actually that that's that's wrong
Trump said it should be released, said it was released.
Unfortunately, he lied, and he caved caved to the CIA in December 17.
And he kept the can down the road four years
to Biden.
So Biden got the question last year: what do we do with these JFK documents?
And the CIA and the federal agency said, the COVID dog ate my homework.
You know, we couldn't do it because of the pandemic.
So Biden said, okay, you have another year.
So now we're at Biden's second deadline.
Okay.
Well, I
go ahead.
Biden acquiesced, and now hopefully Biden will do the right thing.
Okay.
Jefferson Morley, thank you so much.
And if there's something in there, I'd love to talk to you again about what you find.
Thank you.
We'll be in touch.
You back.
Take care.
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I appreciate his viewpoint as a historian.
And as a historian, he doesn't want to tie it
to
today's events.
And as a historian, I understand that.
Yeah, he's going to stay out of that story.
However, if you can't see the correlation here, if you can't see that these agencies are once again out of control,
history only matters when it informs decisions that are being made today.
You use history to say,
yes, this is possible.
This isn't conspiracy because that's what has been said for the last 70 years since since the OSS and CIA became an entity.
These kinds of things have happened over and over and over again.
And we don't have a protective wall to protect the American people and to protect the truth.
There is no way to get the truth from these people.
Yeah, I agree.
You know, that's what they say history repeats itself, or at least it rhymes.
And
the point of learning history is to make sure those repetitions don't happen again.
Of course, you you want to know history just for knowing the truth.
But that's the really pragmatic, applicable thing you're doing here.
And like, look, you know, again, as you mentioned, Mike.
If you're a historian.
Yeah, he's not.
That's not what you want to do.
Right.
But it's interesting for us to learn it because you learn this stuff and you say, okay, what path should we avoid?
Right.
Like that, that's why.
you learn about you know the Nazis.
Every time you bring up the Nazis, people are like, oh my gosh, how could you bring that up?
You know, you can't compare that to today.
And oftentimes that's true.
In fact, almost all the time it's true because it's the most extreme example most of us can remember outside of the Communist Party, which for some reason is deleted.
It's a very extreme.
But we don't think so.
No one wants to bring that up.
Whatever.
Communist Party, Mao, whether you want to talk about Mao or Hitler or whoever you want to bring up, Stalin,
you want to look at these things and not decide 10 minutes before the gas chambers open up that we should push back against these efforts.
This is almost what I said to Jennifer Say yesterday.
Yeah, after the interview, we sat around and talked some more.
And we were talking about how people try to silence you when you are pointing out facts.
She's Jewish.
Her husband is Jewish.
They're not religious at all, but they are very well versed in the Holocaust.
And I said, you know, I always got...
heat because I would say, hey, these are the seeds that lead to the gas chamber.
And I said, you know, if I'm not mistaken,
never forget, never again means when the seeds are being planted, not at the door of the gas chamber going, we shouldn't do this.
It's too late.
It's too late at that point.
And she said, I agree with you totally.
You have to look at history and not look at the end, but look at where the plants are being grown, where the seeds are being planted and who's harvesting that field.
And you till that soil and get rid of all of that stuff at that point.
Yeah, the time to check if there's a pool at the end of the water slide is not when you're halfway down it.
You look from the top before you get high.
Right.
Right, exactly right.
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Welcome.
I'm so glad that you're here.
I heard about
Ted Cruz and
his wife and their struggle with their daughter right now.
Beyond politics, beyond all of this stuff.
Our children children are
in trouble all of our children are in trouble
his daughter is in trouble and he's not really speaking about it so I'm not going to say anything I don't know anything
but
I can tell you that
as you know if you've listened to this program before I have had bouts of suicide in my
immediate family with with my children
in the last few years
And
I
am still battling with that with my children.
You might be too.
And if you are a parent,
I know what you're going through.
You're worried, you know, what could I have done differently?
Is it me?
You know, what do I do now?
It is a horrible place.
Mental health and suicide is,
it used to be a dirty word.
Nobody wanted to talk about it.
And now I feel like we're still not really talking about it.
And it is everywhere.
I wanted to talk to Jamie Kilstein today because he's got a podcast called Advice Not Taken and he talks a lot about suicide and depression and wanted to get him on today.
Hi, Jamie.
How are you?
Hey, man.
How you doing?
Yeah, well, I'm good.
I'm good.
Yeah.
It's funny.
I had jokes in my head about
the politics of this and the people who have made this political.
And after hearing your intro, I just want to,
you know, it's, I didn't know you were going through that.
And I think I'd rather open by talking about, you know, I've been suicidal.
I've been really close recently.
And I've talked to people who are dealing with the same thing with their kids.
And I think the first thing I want to say to you as a friend and to people who are listening, whether it's them who's had suicidal ideation or it's their kids, is the sort of
beautifully tragic, ironic part of
everyone everyone I've met who struggles with depression or suicidal thoughts is they are some of the coolest people I've ever met in my life, I've ever talked to.
And
they don't know that, and it's kind of our job to remind them of that.
But it's oftentimes, man, it's the people who feel the hardest.
It's the people who
have the biggest heart.
It's the people that we need more of.
I mean, when you're struggling because you're so sad or you see the pain of the world and you don't know what to do and you feel so helpless, it's like, dude, you can't go anywhere.
Like, we need more people like you.
It's never the person who's like speeding to the,
you know,
to cut you off in traffic, to go to the concert, to stand in the front row, even though he's six foot five.
Like, that guy's going to be fine.
He's going to like a vegan restaurant and chirotherapy and he's delivering.
It's these, like, it really is, it's these people who feel like they don't belong.
And what I always try to remind them is, like, dude, those, I want to be around people who feel like they don't belong.
Your favorite,
from your favorite musicians to everyone who followed Jesus, those were people who didn't belong.
It's always the cool people.
And the problem is, it is so hard to be different.
And I mean, man, I can't even imagine growing up with social media, with the access to pornography, with all this stuff that kids have.
I mean, I was a suicidal wreck, and I had access to like one Playboy in the woods that we all were
and like passed it around like, you know, divorced parents with joint custody.
And, you know,
I'd have to wait till school to get bullied.
I'm a 40-year-old man, and someone sends a tweet about something that's not true or calls me a name when I'm trying to talk about mental health.
It's hard for me not to spiral.
I know.
But I think that's the most important thing I wanted to say is that, like,
not the cliche, you know, hey, we're all God's children.
Life is precious.
Forget all that right now.
It's that, like, you specifically, you listening to this specifically, who doesn't want to be around, you are so much more special than you think you are.
And you have so many more people backing you up than you think you do.
And
it's not just like, hey, hang out, you'll get through it.
It's like, no, no, no, get through it and then excel all of your wildest expectations for what you can do.
Because I'm telling you, man, the people who feel that are special.
When you get through it,
at least the first time when you get through it,
you are on guard guard
from it the rest of your life.
Because you know,
you figure out the first time that
your brain can be your worst enemy.
And when you go through a chemical depression,
everything seems logical.
All the ideas of suicide, it all seems so perfectly logical.
And all of the excuses that you have made, you're not looking at them as excuses.
They're absolutely real to you.
And when you're really hit the bottom, you really truly believe the world would be a better place without you.
And it's all a lie.
Yeah.
All a lie.
Dude,
I'm so glad you said that because it's not this, you know, when it's been real for me, it hasn't been this like, she broke up with me.
I'm going to like Thelma and Louise Louise myself off a cliff.
It's been,
it's been your right, this very like logical, like, hey, man, like, we give it the old college try.
You know, like, we did all the things.
We made some mistakes, but like, I thought we were on the right path and we were getting better and it's still not working.
I still, you know, whatever it is, I still can't find the person I'm supposed to be with.
I still can't, you know, dig myself out of debt.
I still can't forget the things I saw in war.
I still can't, you know, get this bully off my back at high school, whatever it is.
And you just go, yeah, like it would just, you know what it feels like?
And this is horrible to say, the thought of it, it almost feels like a relief.
It does.
Where you just.
And in my case,
in my case, it was
my family will be better without me.
I'm.
I'm dragging everything else down.
I'm this black hole that's dragging everything else down.
First, with me at least, you blame everything.
And then when you realize none of those things are actually the problem, then you start to look in yourself and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm a black hole.
And it's not only a relief from the
daily pain that you're in, but it is a, in the end, it becomes almost a sacrifice for the good of others.
And it's just insane.
It's insane.
Yeah.
Well, and I want to remind people listening right now that it's like everybody listening, I don't know what they think of me, but everyone listening is a fan of you as a person, not just as a radio host.
And so when they hear you say that, they go, well, that's crazy.
Look at how much good Glenn has done and has tried to do or whatever.
But then there's still a part of them that goes, yeah, but I'm that, I'm different.
And what I want you to say is like the way you look at
you, Glenn, when you talk about it, is the way other people look at you.
You know, so many, Robin Williams was one of my closest friends.
And, you know, that was not a person I expected to get a phone call about
when he died.
Now, there were medical issues and stuff happening behind the scenes, but still, you know, he thought it would make the world better or his family better.
And it's like, I mean, people still come up to me.
rocked
about what happened to him.
I still think about him on a daily basis.
And it's like, why are you different?
Anyone listening, like, how are you different?
You still have something inside you that other people love, that other people need.
And I know it feels like you don't, but like, man, I'm telling you, everybody you look up to, like, they've had the exact same thoughts that you have.
We're just better at pretending.
that it doesn't exist and especially around the holidays again on social media i feel like every time i open up Instagram, I'm just like, are all of my friends hotter than me at having kids and families and giant Christmas trees?
And like, and you start to feel like you don't belong.
But like, all of those people, one, I mean, Instagram's a lie, but two, also follow me on Instagram because I'm definitely jealous.
It's at the Jamie Kilsey.
Give him an old F you and follow me.
Right.
But
it's really hard where it's like, man, the negative stuff on social media makes me feel negative, and then the positive stuff on social media makes me feel like I don't have enough.
And you have to remember that, again, everyone you look up to not only has had thoughts like this, not only has dealt with depression and their own demons, but also like they've struggled.
And
what got them to that picture you're looking at right now is pushing.
through the struggle.
And then guess what?
Not only are you better, but now you're armed with what me and Glenn have where you can now help other people who are going through it.
And you can go, hey, man, I was there too.
And I'm telling you, you're going to be okay.
And like, what a gift that is to literally be able to save people's lives because of the lowest moment of your life.
Jamie Kilstein, the host of Advice Not Taken, a comedian that
has kind of taken hiatus from a lot of that and is just still naturally funny.
But he is concentrating on advice not taken and concentrating on things of the spirit and the soul and
health.
Jamie Kilstein, thank you very much.
I appreciate it.
Thanks, brother.
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Well,
welcome to the program.
I want to share this.
I've been reading Ezekiel, and this morning I walked in and I read a chapter, and I left it open right in front of
my
computers.
And I remember thinking just about an hour ago, I don't ever leave it there.
Why did I just leave that there?
And while I was talking to Jamie, I think I know why.
I was reading Ezekiel today and it was talking about how...
Israel has just lost its way.
It is so good about America.
The end end of chapter 33 and then 34.
And 34 is, woe to you shepherds, who only take care of yourselves.
Should not shepherds take care of the flock?
You eat the curds, you clothe yourself, you wool and slaughter, and you have the choice of animals, but you don't take care of the flock.
You haven't strengthened the weak, or healed the sick, or bound up the injured.
You haven't brought back the strays or searched for the loss.
You've ruled them harshly and brutally.
They were scattered because there was no shepherd.
They were scattered, they became food for all the wild animals.
My sheep wandered all over the mountains and over every high hill.
They were scattered over the whole earth, and no one was searching or looking for them.
Therefore, you shepherds, as surely as I live, declares the sovereign Lord, because my flocks lack a shepherd, and so have been plundered and has become food for all the wild animals, and because my shepherds didn't search for my flock and cared for themselves, I
will stand against the shepherds and I will hold them accountable for my flock.
The thing I got out of this, and the reason why I think I thought of it with Jamie was
about a year ago, I was thinking
honestly about myself.
And I was thinking, how do I protect my children?
How do I protect from this coming storm?
And I felt really strongly kind of a chastisement.
And I felt the Lord said to me, I can't tell you anymore what I can do to you, what you can do to help yourself, but I can tell you what people need and how you can help them.
And it was
kind of a shameful moment.
And
I work very hard now to think of others.
First,
there are a lot of people around us right now, especially during the holidays.
But it is, it is
rampant in our families.
In my family,
I just
I
I can't even begin to express what's happening.
And we're all going through this.
We're all going through this.
We need to look out for one another.
We need to...
The shepherds have done a really poor job, but you don't have to be a sheep.
Even though we might all be sheep in the end, We really need to go out and look for our other lost brothers and sisters and heal them and
bind up the injured, bring them back into the fold as much as we can.
The Glenn Back Program.