Ep 162 | How Elites Will Create a New Class of Slaves | Whitney Webb | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Speaker 2 A campaign of lies can hide anything. And with the magic of disinformation, mysterious deaths can be quickly brushed off as suicides, even when all of the details don't add up.

Speaker 2 And there's so many stories now that just don't add up.

Speaker 2 Public assassinations can happen right in front of you, and you'll never know who was really behind it or why, as long as the powers that be push a great narrative, the same lie, over and over and over again.

Speaker 2 Jeffrey Epstein infiltrated the highest ranks of every sector of power. You are going to learn a lot about

Speaker 2 the world today.

Speaker 2 He was into law enforcement, art, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, big business, real estate, philanthropy, media, academics, and banking. He even wormed his way into high fashion.

Speaker 2 He hung out with Nobel Prize-winning scientists and billionaire arms dealers, movie directors, famous actors, journalists, and lots of politicians, including heads of state, not just here in America.

Speaker 2 And he has a very special bond with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 2 We still don't know who took part in his many crimes, and they are vast. This is nothing short of political terrorism.
Theater facilitated by the media.

Speaker 2 Today's guest, as you will hear,

Speaker 2 I just finished it, and you will will hear halfway through,

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Speaker 2 This is the most important

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Speaker 2 Today's guest has a gift for locating power and hunting it in its darkest corners. She realized that Epstein was not

Speaker 2 an anomaly.

Speaker 2 She is somebody who has written two volumes on just him, but you will see it is connected to entire networks of power and influence, a web of elites who operate under the principle that rules are for other people.

Speaker 2 Her two-volume book, One Nation Under Blackmail, the sordid union between intelligence and crime that gave rise to Jeffrey Epstein is out. Keep your eye on this one.
She is sharp.

Speaker 2 She is a massive threat to powerful people. If people will listen and do their own homework and just explore what she's saying,

Speaker 2 the game is up.

Speaker 2 She's the kind of writer who reminds the elites that they're not actually above rules and we're not all a bunch bunch of rubes.

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Speaker 2 Welcome. I am a huge fan of your work.

Speaker 2 You have covered some of the most important stories, I think,

Speaker 2 in my lifetime. Wow.
Thank you. And you are so clear on all of them.
And most of these stories are the ones you can't get answers on.

Speaker 2 They're all the stories that the big and powerful want to hide, want you to not see what's really going on. And

Speaker 2 it's so frustrating because it's clear that these things are happening and should be discussed. Are you worried ever about

Speaker 2 your safety?

Speaker 3 No. And the reason I say that is because I think, you know, a lot of what we're facing is an energetic and spiritual

Speaker 3 battle, I guess you could say.

Speaker 3 And I think, in order, you know, if you're afraid of these people,

Speaker 3 you're giving them power over you.

Speaker 3 And I think really the only way to win this is to have your commitment to, you know, what you're fighting for, the good about humanity to be total. Right.
So good for you.

Speaker 2 How old are you?

Speaker 3 33.

Speaker 2 You You write and think and speak like you're 80 and very wise.

Speaker 2 Thank you. You must have a good parents.

Speaker 2 Okay, so I want to talk to you, if we can, in an hour, I want to mention Bitcoin, get a little bit of that. Journalism, transhumanism.
ESG, the World Economic Forum.

Speaker 2 We're not going to be able to get to all of it, but we have to start with Jeffrey Epstein because the way you have written about him,

Speaker 2 it connects connects to a whole world of corruption. Yeah.
Is he kind of the Rosetta Stone?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think it's sort of like a meta-scandal. You're looking at someone who really had, I guess, for lack of a better metaphor, had his hands in a lot of pies.

Speaker 3 So he was sort of at the center of a lot of scandals, but not necessarily at the top, right?

Speaker 3 I think he was more maybe middle management in a sense, but very central to a lot of these things going on that sort of these

Speaker 3 networks in

Speaker 3 in which he inhabits are involved in you know numerous acts of corruption simultaneously. He is there involved in many of them, but not necessarily at the top level, right? Aaron Powell,

Speaker 2 was he a spy?

Speaker 3 I think he definitely had intelligence connections, and there's a lot

Speaker 3 to suggest that was the case.

Speaker 3 I think one of the most the earliest hints we heard of that was having a Secretary of Labor Alex Acosta under Trump say that one of the reasons he was pressured into giving giving Epstein a sweetheart deal during his first arrest in Florida was because he had been told by unspecified actors that Epstein belonged to intelligence.

Speaker 3 But that's kind of, you know. What exactly does that mean? Was he an asset? Was he on the payroll? Which intelligence agency? Multiple intelligence agencies.

Speaker 3 When you have his close association with someone like Elaine Maxwell in the mix, and her father had affiliations with numerous intelligence agencies, you know, it really is an open question.

Speaker 2 He was kind of a bad guy.

Speaker 2 I'm reading your work about him. And explain who he was.

Speaker 3 So Robert Maxwell was involved in many things, but he definitely played a major role in undermining U.S. national security by selling bug software to nuclear laboratories in the United States.

Speaker 3 And this was directly facilitated by well-known statesmen. in U.S.
history, like Henry Kissinger, for example. And a lot of the people I think that enabled him, at least on the U.S.

Speaker 3 side, tend to be those that

Speaker 3 favor global governance. And, you know,

Speaker 3 they kind of don't want the U.S. to have that kind of monopoly on power.

Speaker 2 Because all of his family, they were killed in the Holocaust, right? Right.

Speaker 2 And so

Speaker 2 he's in the West, England.

Speaker 2 He survives, becomes

Speaker 2 kind of

Speaker 2 William Randolph Hearst of England.

Speaker 3 Yeah, media mogul, sure.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 2 betrays the West. And that's not because he was on the other side.
He wasn't on the Soviet side. He was on a global government side.

Speaker 3 Well, I think you have to look at this network, and they've evolved over time, right? Robert Maxwell was very close to the Eastern Bloc.

Speaker 3 He had a very close relationship with intelligence figures in the KGB and also Bulgaria.

Speaker 3 He had a relationship with British intelligence and Israeli intelligence and was involved in aspects of what later became known as Iran-Contra, which, of course, involves aspects of U.S. intelligence.

Speaker 3 So, I mean, he had his hands and

Speaker 3 everywhere and everything. everything.
And I think ultimately people like him are interested in any deal they can make to advance their money and their power and their influence. They'll take it.

Speaker 3 So Robert Maxwell was very interested in having his family be like the Kennedy family, a political power dynasty.

Speaker 3 And that's part of why he started moving into New York City around, you know, just a year or two before he ended up dying. And Ghillain Maxwell was sent to New York sort of to be his emissary

Speaker 3 into the U.S. And he wanted her actually to marry a Kennedy.
And this is attested to in past mainstream media reports.

Speaker 3 And you can see his efforts to get her close to, I think, one of the sons of Robert F. Kennedy and also John F.
Kennedy Jr., trying to get her sort of in that social.

Speaker 3 social tier because he sort of saw that as you know what would advance his power and also you know that of his children and I think if you look a lot at the psychology of Robert Maxwell he seems to have had narcissistic elements and that could be because of the trauma of his past and a lot of times narcissistic parents see their children as extensions of themselves.

Speaker 3 And so, you know, he's looking at how to build an empire and using his children to that effect. And you sort of see that with a psychology of Ghelane Maxwell as well.

Speaker 2 Ghelane,

Speaker 2 was she

Speaker 2 part and parcel of from the beginning, or was she,

Speaker 2 you know, kind of a...

Speaker 2 Good girl, idealistic, comes over here, you know, knows that dad wants to put her into powerful positions, but not shopping women?

Speaker 3 I think it's a lot more complicated than that. You have to look at her early history.

Speaker 3 The favorite son of Robert Maxwell was originally Michael Maxwell. He was in a vegetative state after a car crash, I think, when he was 15.

Speaker 3 And that happened shortly after, just a few days after Ghulane was born. So

Speaker 3 her family members and she herself have attested to that. She was basically neglected for the first three years of her life and even developed childhood anorexia, things like that.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, not a few years after, she becomes the favorite child. So she goes from having this complete lack of parental attention to being sort of showered in it by Robert Maxwell.

Speaker 3 And that obviously has going to have a psychological impact on someone. And in addition,

Speaker 3 she was basically

Speaker 3 managed by her father from a very early age. He managed her, tried to manage her romantic life.
He tried to manage what jobs she would have. And she was very dependent on him.

Speaker 3 So when he is dead in 1991, it makes sense that she would attach herself to someone with a lot of the

Speaker 3 similar characteristics, right?

Speaker 2 So dad didn't know about

Speaker 2 Jeffrey Epstein, wasn't alive at that point?

Speaker 3 Well, the allegations have been made by people that worked with Robert Maxwell in the 80s that Jeffrey Epstein was seen in his offices frequently in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 3 And during that period of time, it was known that Epstein was active in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 3 He was allegedly being mentored by a British arms dealer named Douglas Leese with British intelligence connections.

Speaker 2 God.

Speaker 2 First of all, you wrote two volumes on

Speaker 3 a thousand pages.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, that is crazy amounts of work.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I had my son was born in the middle of it, so it was really crazy.

Speaker 2 You were there for that, I imagine, when your son was born.

Speaker 2 So tell me,

Speaker 2 a thousand pages, and it's not, there's no fluff in it. I mean, it is.

Speaker 3 It's dense.

Speaker 2 It's very dense.

Speaker 2 Why is it nobody else is reporting on this?

Speaker 3 Well, I guess I could, I don't really know exactly why that would be, but the silence is very eerie about major aspects of the Epstein case.

Speaker 3 You know, it ended up being a thousand pages because as I was writing about Epstein, a lot of the connections that came up, I was just increasingly aware that a lot of people in the American public,

Speaker 3 you know, a lot of the names I was coming across, most people weren't going to be familiar with. Correct.
You know,

Speaker 3 banks like the Bank of Credit and Commerce International or BCCI, the scandal that involved, or even things like Iran-Contra. People may have heard the name, but don't really know what it involved.

Speaker 3 So I figured I was going to have to go back and sort of explain that to people. So that type of context is volume one of the book.

Speaker 3 And also the history of sexual blackmail and how it's been sort of an undercurrent in some past political scandals in American history and how in these sorts of networks in which Epstein was inhabiting, that type of practice and exploitation even of minors for those purposes was actually disturbingly common.

Speaker 3 So Epstein starts to look less and less of a, you know, he's not an anomaly, basically. Right.

Speaker 3 By the time you get through with volume one. And so volume two is sort of my effort to,

Speaker 3 you know, dig up as much as I could, you know, with stuff that's publicly available, really, about Epstein and also his greatest benefactor, Leslie Wexner, and then also, you know, Ghelane Maxwell.

Speaker 2 Okay, so

Speaker 2 this is just.

Speaker 3 There's a lot to discuss.

Speaker 2 There's a lot to discuss here on just this because it's it's this goes to the deep state, or you call it

Speaker 2 deep politics.

Speaker 2 And it's been going on for a long time, but people, I don't think, realize that the Born Identity,

Speaker 2 those Jason Bourne movies,

Speaker 2 that is a reflection of some people's real lives. I mean, it's a totally fictitious story, but those things do go on.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I tell you,

Speaker 2 I have felt for a long time with the just with the NSA listening to everybody's phone calls, if you're important in Washington, they're going to do everything they can.

Speaker 3 To manage you.

Speaker 2 To manage you.

Speaker 2 So if you're not rock solid in who you are and what right and wrong really is, they got you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 But even they don't, you know, today, I think we've moved away from the type of model that Epstein used for sexual blackmail it's an era of electronic blackmail and you don't even have to do anything wrong they can just plant it on your devices and play gotcha that way so it's really an unprecedented situation and a lot of these intelligence agencies As I note in the book, you know, really for decades have been totally out of control.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I really start off the book talking about how intelligence agencies and organized crime in the U.S. got in bed together and really that symbiosis.

Speaker 3 You know, it was originally justified out of wartime necessity during World War II and the Nazis. Yeah, but it never stopped, right?

Speaker 3 And it's, you know, business is business.

Speaker 3 And some of these people in our own national security state, you know, realized they could make a lot of money working with organized crime and really shielding them and getting in on the spoils, I guess you could say.

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Speaker 2 You know, we think of

Speaker 2 in my idealistic years of thinking about America, I thought, well, we did some bad things, yes. And I'm not talking about slavery or anything else.

Speaker 2 I'm talking about things we did in war, but we had, you know,

Speaker 2 we really didn't want to do those things. I'm not sure if any of that is true.
Are the people involved in this stuff, do they recognize at all that this is evil or is this just business?

Speaker 3 Well, I think when you're talking about intelligence agencies, there's hierarchies.

Speaker 3 So there's like people maybe low in different levels that may think what they're doing is right and advancing American interests.

Speaker 3 But then there's people at the top that aren't necessarily like that and it's about advancing their own interests.

Speaker 3 If you look at a lot of controversial intelligence operations and decisions, coups, for example, of the past, a lot of it was justified as going against communist influence, trying to keep that from growing.

Speaker 3 But then some of these same actors, like the Iran-Contra types, they ended up getting involved with the Chinese government just a few years later in the 1990s.

Speaker 3 And some of this blossomed into what a lot of conservatives today remember as Chinagate during the Clinton administration and things like that.

Speaker 3 So, you know, they really have no allegiance to anything except their desire to grow their own money and power.

Speaker 2 Are we ever going to find out who's in the black book?

Speaker 3 I don't think so. I think the FBI has been compromised from the very beginning.
In the book, I talk a lot about J. Edgar Hoover.
He was blackmailed by the mob.

Speaker 3 He realized the power blackmail had, started using blackmail himself.

Speaker 3 And increasingly, the FBI, and I think it's very obvious to a lot of conservatives now, comes in to cover things up and to

Speaker 3 go after

Speaker 3 figures that they don't want to advance in their careers or

Speaker 3 any sort of thing.

Speaker 3 It's very complicated.

Speaker 3 So what do we do as a country when there needs to be massive investigations of all sorts of stuff, Jeffrey Epstein being one, and the government is increasingly incapable of investigating itself, especially when you're looking at the FBI or something.

Speaker 2 Can we just go through some names like Alan Dershowitz and Bill Clinton and Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 What were they involved in?

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 each of those cases is really different. But if I'm looking at, you know, I guess the one that's

Speaker 3 gotten the most attention, obviously, are the former presidents, right? Trump and Clinton.

Speaker 3 As far as I'm concerned, the Clinton-Epstein relationship is much more damaging than the Trump-Epstein relationship, but there are obvious reasons for concern in both of them.

Speaker 3 And I don't think it's, you know,

Speaker 3 in trying to be objective, you know, I can't absolve one or the other.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 are you saying

Speaker 2 one is more damaging? Because people don't understand. It's not just the horrific evil sex trafficking that is going on.
It's also massive corruption and financial crimes. Financial crimes.

Speaker 3 And that's particularly glaring with the Epstein-Clinton relationship. You have someone like Jeffrey Epstein that described himself in the 80s as a financial bounty hunter.

Speaker 3 He was hiding or finding looted money for powerful people. That's coming from him.
And he said this to numerous people. There's numerous sources attesting to this.

Speaker 3 So obviously, he was very comfortable with the offshore financial system, shadow banking, and all of that. And then in the late 80s,

Speaker 3 in addition to becoming involved with Leslie Wexner's finances, he is involved in orchestrating one of the largest Ponzi schemes in U.S. history.

Speaker 3 The other person he worked with in that, Stephen Hoffenberg, is arrested and goes to jail for that in 1993. Epstein's name is dropped from the case and he ends up at Clinton White House fundraisers.

Speaker 3 And one of those fundraisers is involved in Hillary Clinton's effort to, alleged effort to refurbish the White House. And this makes a brief appearance in Vince Foster's quote-unquote suicide note.

Speaker 3 The only mention of Hillary Clinton in that suicide note is relating to her and Khaki Hawkersmith redecorating and how there was nothing wrong with the finances there.

Speaker 3 If you're

Speaker 3 listeners are familiar with the Vince Foster situation and how Hillary Clinton, her office, was involved in finding the suicide note when there was nothing in the briefcase and all of that later.

Speaker 3 It's very interesting. The only mention of her name would be in trying to absolve that particular fundraiser of

Speaker 3 any wrongdoing, which would have been Foster's responsibility. And that's Jeffrey Epstein's, you know, one of his first first interactions with the White House.

Speaker 3 There's a picture of him shaking hands with Bill Clinton at that fundraiser donor reception. And only UK media covered that when it came out last December.

Speaker 2 I got to tell you,

Speaker 2 I only see stuff that I kind of trust from UK now. I read any, if there's any scandal going on in America, I trust the foreign press more than I trust our program.

Speaker 3 Well, isn't it stunning that there's a picture of, you know, the claim has been for a long time that the Epstein-Clinton relationship only really began after Clinton left office.

Speaker 3 And then you have a picture contradicting that, and it doesn't get any coverage.

Speaker 2 So how does...

Speaker 3 There's something else there, obviously.

Speaker 2 I was shocked to learn from you that

Speaker 2 Ron Brown, I remember he was a guy who was on a plane going someplace. Croatia.
Yeah, Croatia. And it crashed, and everybody was like, it's another Clinton murder.

Speaker 2 And I've never really bought into the, I mean, you wouldn't have to push me far, but I'm a fact guy. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Tell me the facts.

Speaker 3 Well, it's a lot to unravel to understand the Ron Brown situation because it's tied up with what I mentioned earlier, China Gate, which was very difficult even for Congress to investigate.

Speaker 3 The man at the center of it, who was also the man that Jeffrey Epstein met with repeatedly at the White House, named Mark Middleton, he pleaded the fifth 28 times, including to the question is, was he a foreign agent?

Speaker 3 And pretty much every key figure they tried to subpoena also pleaded the fifth. And there was just,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 it was very difficult to investigate. And even the George W.

Speaker 3 Bush administration, the first invocation of executive privilege of Bush as president was, among other things, to block documents about Mark Middleton being made available to Congress.

Speaker 3 And then 9-11 happens and everyone forgets.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 It's very amazing because Mark Middleton was not a high-ranking guy. He was an aide to Mac McCarty, who was chief of staff and then a senior advisor to Bill Clinton.

Speaker 3 So, why are you having the subsequent president stepping in for Mark Middleton?

Speaker 3 There's obviously a lot going on there because at the same time that Mark Middleton is involved in China Gate, he's meeting with Jeffrey Epstein, and Jeffrey Epstein in that period of time is arranging for the relocation of Southern Air Transport, the Iran-Contra airline, from instead of going from Miami to Latin America, it starts going from Columbus, Ohio, where Leslie Wexner is based, to Hong Kong.

Speaker 3 So, are those events connected? I make a case for that in the book.

Speaker 3 And if true, it's very, very disconcerting because basically, you know, to summarize Chinagate, you have a mass transfer of sensitive U.S. military technology being made to China.

Speaker 3 It's being paid for by the PLA or the Chinese military. And Ron Brown was at the center of that because the

Speaker 3 Commerce Department was signing off on, you know, all sorts of things.

Speaker 2 So why was he then supposedly killed?

Speaker 3 He, shortly before he was unexpectedly asked to go on a trade mission to Croatia, he agreed to cooperate with an investigation into this particular network that was executing China Gate.

Speaker 3 And the people on the U.S.

Speaker 3 side that were facilitating China Gate were people that were connected to the networks of longtime Clinton benefactors, the Rioti family and Jackson Stevens, who, you know, were sort of political king makers for Bill Clinton when he was governor of Arkansas.

Speaker 2 It's

Speaker 3 crazy.

Speaker 2 How much of what we think we know

Speaker 2 is wrong, or how big of a role is what we think we know to what really is happening?

Speaker 3 Well, I think there's been a major effort to control the media and how much information gets to the American public about all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 If you look at the Epstein case, you're only allowed to talk about his sex crimes from 2000 to 2006.

Speaker 3 Don't look at his financial crimes or any of the thing he did before the year 2000 is, you know, pretty much how mainstream media handles the case.

Speaker 3 And that's pretty, you know, there's a lot to find if you go back farther.

Speaker 2 So when you're, you're looking, let's just look at Epstein for a second. When you're looking at his circle of influence, he is

Speaker 2 somebody who's kind of recruiting, just

Speaker 2 getting people on tape doing horrible things or raising money so they're in the pocket, right? Is that kind of his role?

Speaker 3 I think that's part of it. But at the same time, you know, he's doing a lot of that.
He's also involved in financial crime, you know, financial crimes pretty much throughout his career.

Speaker 3 I mean, that's the common thread from Epstein from the 70s until his second arrest.

Speaker 2 I didn't know that. If he was working as an operation, that would kind of be over.

Speaker 3 I think it was known. I mean, even in January 2020, you have John McCain's wife, Cindy McCain, saying, we all knew what Epstein was doing.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 And this is the wife of a senator with no direct connection to the Epstein scandal. So that means top people in our Congress and Senate knew what Epstein was up to, and nothing was done.

Speaker 2 And so does that, I mean, is there a big body count?

Speaker 3 Around Epstein? Yeah. I think, yeah, I think there is to an extent.
Mark Middleton, who I just mentioned, was found hung by the neck by an extension cord in May with a shotgun wound to the chest.

Speaker 3 And it was ruled suicide in Little Rock, Arkansas. And a local court ruled pretty shortly thereafter that no video or

Speaker 3 photos of the scene could be publicly released. And this was only after

Speaker 3 Mark Middleton had been involved in China Gate and numerous other scandals, but that only happened just a few months after the visitor logs of him meeting with Epstein was released last December and published by the UK's Daily Mail.

Speaker 2 So that's one.

Speaker 3 That's one recently. You also have Jean-Luc Brunel, who was a major facilitator of his sex trafficking activities, particularly when it came to the modeling industry.

Speaker 3 Turned up dead in his his prison cell. You have Epstein himself, and then you have the son of Esther Salas, who was the judge overseeing the Epstein-Deutsche Bank case,

Speaker 2 murdered at her home.

Speaker 2 Let's not just gloss over Epstein and his death.

Speaker 2 Do you believe he hung himself?

Speaker 3 I think the official story is just, I mean, it's crazy personally, because, you know, he was a tall guy.

Speaker 3 He's supposed to have hung himself from something that's shorter than his standing height with like paper-thin sheets. He would have had to curl up in the fetal position to hang himself.

Speaker 3 And he's, you know,

Speaker 3 it's very,

Speaker 3 it's logistically impossible. We're supposed to leave all the cameras malfunction that night.

Speaker 3 You know, the prison guards were asleep. It's a lot of coincidences.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 2 who would we have to believe?

Speaker 2 I mean, that would have to involve

Speaker 2 lots of government. Lots of government.

Speaker 3 But he belonged to intelligence. And if you look at, you know, someone like Robert Maxwell, he died off of his yacht.
He had a lot of ties to intelligence.

Speaker 3 Things were, you know, the walls were closing in on him. And his own daughter, Ghelane Maxwell, thinks he was murdered by rogue Mossad agents and Sicilian contract hitmen.

Speaker 3 And that's coming straight from his daughter that worked closely with him.

Speaker 3 So if you, you know, if things get too hot, if you, you know, maybe work did work for them in the past, but you become, you know, more of a liability than an asset, you know, things sometimes happen.

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Speaker 2 I don't believe in the Pizzagate conspiracy, you know, that there's an underground.

Speaker 2 However,

Speaker 2 I do think that there is

Speaker 2 real evil at the upper levels that we've been engaging in. And all of us dupes out in the center of the country are like, oh, no,

Speaker 2 how prevalent is

Speaker 2 the massive corruption and the evil with

Speaker 3 well, like I mentioned earlier, the more you look at the people that were around Epstein, even before Epstein gets involved, it becomes very clear that what he was doing was not out of the ordinary for these particular groups, especially like arms dealers like Ednan Khashoggi.

Speaker 3 He had an alleged harem of women that he used to blackmail powerful people in the private and public sectors on his yacht and all their sorts of types of people.

Speaker 3 Robert Keith Gray, a PR executive that started working for Ednan Khashoggi around the same time that Jeffrey Epstein allegedly did, has an alleged history of sexual blackmail for the CIA.

Speaker 3 And then you have allegations of Roy Cohn, the well-known New York mob attorney also being involved in sexual blackmail stuff, begins working for Edney and Khashoggi in the same period of time in the 1980s.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 the more you look, it's quite

Speaker 3 prevalent. But how prevalent it is, I can't really say, but it definitely does influence our politics, and that's disturbing.

Speaker 2 Is the Clinton Foundation involved in any of this?

Speaker 3 So I don't know exactly

Speaker 3 those types of activities. I have no evidence for that, and I haven't looked into it, so I'm not going to say it's not happening, but I just don't know because I haven't looked.

Speaker 3 But like I mentioned earlier about the Epstein-Clinton relationship, he goes from Ponzi schemes to Clinton fundraising.

Speaker 3 Then he's involved with a lot of the 1996 controversial fundraisers that were investigated by Congress. Clinton leaves office.

Speaker 3 He's flying around in Epstein's plane, setting up the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Health Access Initiative.

Speaker 3 And even credits Jeffrey Epstein back in 2003 with designing a lot of the philanthropy that became the Clinton Foundation, specifically the HIV AIDS program.

Speaker 3 So you you have a serial financial criminal creating basically the Clinton political slush fund post-presidency.

Speaker 2 Have you seen any connections in

Speaker 2 Ukraine?

Speaker 2 That's the hotbed of a lot of really

Speaker 2 nefarious players.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I haven't looked into it specifically because a lot of my timeline that I did for the book, you know, stops before years like 2014 when there was this, you know, basically a coup,

Speaker 3 you know, know, with Victoria Newland and some of these people from the Obama administration and all of that.

Speaker 3 So, unfortunately, you know, I haven't personally explored that, but I think it's, I mean, even mainstream media before the recent conflict there was, you know, pretty open about the corruption in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 So I don't know your politics, and it's not important to me. What's important to me is your character and your work, which is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I'm guessing you and I don't necessarily agree on policies.

Speaker 3 Maybe, I don't know. I just, you know, at this point, I think my politics are I don't want the government to be run by organized crime.

Speaker 3 And I think that's a starting point for most Americans. Let's start there.

Speaker 2 Right. You know?

Speaker 2 What I was driving to is

Speaker 2 there are big things on the table that no one's talking about.

Speaker 3 We're all focused on the little stuff they've used to divide and conquer us this whole time. And big things are happening.
And basically, we are being herded into a

Speaker 3 techno-feudalism,

Speaker 3 slavery. I don't know.
There's a lot of different names for it going around, but it's not good. Right.
And it's organized crime, you know, running the show.

Speaker 2 The highest levels and also

Speaker 2 evil. I mean,

Speaker 2 it's just getting so dark. And,

Speaker 2 you know, I'm to the point to where,

Speaker 2 can you give me nine of the top 10 10 Bill of Rights? You know what I mean? Do you agree with those? Give me some, anything that is foundational. Oh, they're all being destroyed.
All of them.

Speaker 2 They don't mean anything anymore. But those are the things that can bring us together.
And they do, I mean, I'm sure you're called a radical conspiracy theorist.

Speaker 2 You know, there's a difference between conspiracy theory and conspiracy facts. So I would call you

Speaker 2 conspiracy fact purveyor.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I guess so, because conspiracy is a real crime and it's happening and it's been happening. Right.

Speaker 3 And, you know, a lot of us are sort of fed this, you know, when we're in school and stuff, sort of this naive, I guess you could call it a fairy tale version of history where there's no corruption, everything's fine.

Speaker 3 The mob disappeared decades ago. Nothing to see here, but that's not the real history of this country.
Tell me,

Speaker 2 before we leave Epstein, tell me why

Speaker 2 Maxwell's

Speaker 2 alive.

Speaker 3 Oh, I think it's pretty obvious. She's going to cooperate with the people that supported that operation and she's not going to spill anything.

Speaker 3 She got moved from the prison where I think she was at the same prison where Epstein died and now she's at what has been described as a country club prison in Florida.

Speaker 3 That wouldn't have happened unless she was like, yeah, just leave me alone, please. I'll do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 3 Let's let's uh I think she knows from her father's death who not to double cross and who runs the show. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Um, how does this involve the regular person? Why should the regular person care about this kind of corruption?

Speaker 3 Um, in just talking about Epstein, the financial crimes, uh, there are very significant and are just sort of a microcosm of what has basically been the looting of the American public for decades.

Speaker 3 You look at people like Catherine Austin Fitz and Mark Skidmore, who have calculated about $21 trillion of U.S. taxpayer money.

Speaker 3 That's just gone missing from the House of Urban Development and the Department of Defense.

Speaker 3 It's probably more than that. Where is it being

Speaker 3 where'd it go? Yeah. Who took it?

Speaker 2 I remember.

Speaker 3 And it's still happening. And now we're having the standard of life in the U.S.
being degraded, inflation's increasing, the squeeze is on thanks to manufactured food and energy crises.

Speaker 3 And I think a lot of the stuff we're seeing being built for for us, people are currently perhaps unwilling to accept. But when they're cold and hungry and desperate,

Speaker 3 I think that some people will be more willing.

Speaker 2 You're not improving my mood much.

Speaker 3 Well, you know, it's, we have to understand what we're facing in order to, you know, solve it, right?

Speaker 2 And a lot of people

Speaker 2 with it.

Speaker 2 I've been ringing this bell for gosh, almost 20 years now and saying, wake up, pay attention, look what's happening. And it just keeps getting more and more obvious.

Speaker 2 And at times, there are times you're just like, I, I,

Speaker 2 how do you deal with it?

Speaker 3 Um, well, I'm a mother, um, and I just, uh, I have to keep going. I don't know.
I have to keep saying something because my kids are going to live in this world. Right.

Speaker 3 And there's certain things that I just find unacceptable. And I think every parent probably does at this point.
So, you know, it doesn't really matter anymore.

Speaker 3 And I think also if you're looking at this from like the energetic spiritual level, it matters, you know,

Speaker 3 we have to keep fighting because what's the alternative and what does that mean for us even after we're gone? Yeah. Right.

Speaker 2 So let me, you know, I first ran into you

Speaker 2 and your work. I don't remember where I saw you, but you were talking about transhumanism.

Speaker 2 And this is something that,

Speaker 2 again, I think I was talking about this in the 90s and saying it's been going on a long time.

Speaker 3 It's a very long time.

Speaker 2 And saying that this is what life is going to head towards, and it's not good. And we should probably have a conversation now.

Speaker 2 You know, we are on the verge of this. This is happening.
It could happen. It's faster than ever.
Yeah. Yeah, it could happen in 2025, 30, 35.
It's here now. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Explain what transhumanism is and why it is so dangerous.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so I'll just probably start with the history of it. So there was a man named Julian Huxley.
He's the brother of the famous author Aldous Huxley. He was president of the British Eugenics Society.

Speaker 3 The United Nations is created after World War II. He is put in charge of UNESCO.

Speaker 3 In writing his vision for UNESCO, Julian Huxley says about eugenics, we need to make the unthinkable thinkable again. Ten years later, he coins the term transhumanism in a book.

Speaker 2 Did he read his brother's work?

Speaker 3 I'm sure actually that Aldous Huxley's work was influenced by the type of social milieu he inhabited, which would include his brother and

Speaker 3 sort of those intellectual circles

Speaker 3 where both of them grew up, right?

Speaker 3 You know, this is the British aristocracy, and really a lot of the idea of eugenics going back to Francis Galton and Darwinism and all of that seems to sort of emanate from there.

Speaker 2 Fabian socialists and all of that.

Speaker 3 in a book in 1957 I believe called New Bottles for New Wine, something like that, Julian Huxley coins the terms transhumanism and talks about how the new eugenics is going to be merging man with machine.

Speaker 3 So this is basically eugenics rebranded and a lot of people that funded eugenics causes of the past like the Rockefeller family are you know big proponents of transhumanism today and it's it's getting increasingly problematic.

Speaker 3 I would say, you know, if you look, for example, at the new head of the FDA, who very few people have bothered to look into, Robert Califf, he's a former Google Health executive.

Speaker 3 Google Health has a joint venture with GlaxoSmithKline called Galvani Bioelectronics. I think the former head of that was Monsef Salawi, who was in charge of Operation Warp Speed.

Speaker 3 And their focus is what they call bioelectronic medicine. which is

Speaker 3 injectable nanotechnology that can manipulate your central nervous system. What are the implications of that? We have the person that just purchased Twitter, making a brain chip company.

Speaker 3 He's also a major contractor to the U.S. military.
He has a major conflict of interest with Chinese Silicon Valley equivalents like Tencent.

Speaker 3 And, you know. He says,

Speaker 2 and I love this. He says, that's one of the reasons why I want to get off the planet.
He says his work is to find a way to, A, compete against the transhumanistic, you know,

Speaker 2 folly.

Speaker 2 You don't believe that at all?

Speaker 3 I don't buy it, no. If you look at that company, they had animal trials.
Many of the monkeys that was tested and died after the brain chip was put in.

Speaker 3 If that were my company, I would reformulate everything or shut it down if it was going to kill that many animals, but it's already moved into human trials.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's. Even though it's killing all the monkeys.

Speaker 3 Well, it killed many monkeys. Yeah, I forget the exact number, but a significant portion.

Speaker 2 See, this is where it gets frightening.

Speaker 3 Well, it's tied up with depopulation, right? You have this being sort of the new path of eugenics. And so, you know, I don't think these people ultimately care about

Speaker 3 how many

Speaker 2 people are left, right? Smart and right.

Speaker 3 Well, eugenics is you.

Speaker 3 I mean, well, people like to act like eugenics disappeared, and it hasn't. It's just rebranded.
And if you look at the history, it's very clear and it's very disconcerting.

Speaker 2 That's why everything you're seeing that is coming out of policy all over the world,

Speaker 2 all of the World Economic Forums seems so malfunctive.

Speaker 3 The medically assisted death originally was going to be for terminally ill people. Now people are pitching it to homeless people in Canada saying, you're too poor to live.

Speaker 3 Do you want to kill yourself?

Speaker 2 How do we not

Speaker 2 remember what happened last time?

Speaker 3 Well, I think some of these people, you look at the Rockefellers, they funded what happened last time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 A lot of that money that was used to set up the Nazi eugenics program came from the Rockefeller Foundation, and that's a matter of record.

Speaker 3 They've tried to go back and say, oh, we're sorry, but they're funding a lot of this stuff now.

Speaker 2 Okay, so

Speaker 2 I think you're getting the impression that maybe,

Speaker 2 maybe you should prepare. Maybe you should help with a parallel economy.
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Speaker 2 not be too far away from being able to undo some of the damage that has been done.

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Speaker 2 You've read IBM and the Holocaust?

Speaker 3 No, I haven't read it, but I'm familiar with the relationship there.

Speaker 2 He's a good dear friend of mine. And,

Speaker 2 you know, it's the same thing. It's the same thing now.
Giant corporations are in bed with all of this stuff. And

Speaker 2 someday they'll be hiding it and going, no, no, no, we didn't do anything with that. But I don't know if we can get away with that.

Speaker 3 I don't think they even have to now. I mean, if it really gets the transhumanist point and they can just manipulate,

Speaker 3 you know, this is an attempt to manipulate consciousness. Yes.
Really?

Speaker 3 Really? So, and memory and all of that. I mean, they don't have to even bother with it anymore once it gets to that point.

Speaker 2 I talked to Ray Kurzweil once and I said, you put the nanotechnology. Just tell me out here, Ray.
I'm a science fiction writer. You put the nanotechnology into me and you control it.
Not me.

Speaker 2 You control it. And I start speaking out about things that you and the powerful don't like.
Why don't you just turn me off? Why don't you just, oh, you know what?

Speaker 2 And all that nanotechnology and I just die. Sure.
And his response was,

Speaker 2 because we wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's trust us. How has that gone for the past hundred years or so?

Speaker 3 Right. And if organized crime are the people in charge, are you going to trust them? I mean, they want us to trust them.

Speaker 3 If you look at the World Economic Forum or even in the Biden administration and a lot of their policy documents, one of their main focuses are rebuilding trust with the public. And it's not working.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 3 But they may be looking at drastic interventions to make it work. And I think, you know, if we're transhumanism to be

Speaker 3 shoehorned through, you know, that could happen. And if you're seeing this,

Speaker 3 you know, this sort of these mergers, because there's many of them, of Silicon Valley companies and big pharma, you know, they're framing it as healthcare, but it's eugenics being framed as healthcare.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 3 it's really

Speaker 3 I mean, it's terrifying, it's crazy, there's a lot of words for it, but you know, ultimately it has to be stopped.

Speaker 3 And unfortunately, COVID has set this precedent where it can be mandatory or where you can lose your livelihood, where you can, you know, not be able to travel.

Speaker 3 You can basically be placed under house arrest unless you agree to it.

Speaker 2 If you don't, I mean, in the grand scheme of

Speaker 2 where we've all been upgraded, we're all part of the

Speaker 2 upgraded.

Speaker 3 I don't think that's the intention. That's how they're selling it to people.

Speaker 3 If you look at this, for example, the British Eugenics Society, where a lot of this came from, you look at someone like H.G.

Speaker 3 Wells, best known as a science fiction writer, but also a avowed eugenicist, he predicted that in 100 to 200 years, there would be two human races. There would be the

Speaker 3 upgraded, augmented, elite who were intellectual and attractive and, you know, were the ones that did everything, and then a dwarf-like, troll-like, squat underclass that eats bugs.

Speaker 3 And, you know, for people that have been paying attention,

Speaker 3 it seems like, you know, they're selling this as one way. It's all going to be be a

Speaker 3 utopian thing if we all upgrade. I mean, that's how it's being framed, right? But if you look at how these people think, they don't want that.

Speaker 3 They're looking at feudalism and how do you create a class of slaves that cannot even cognitively rebel ever again.

Speaker 2 It is why, I mean, you know, these teachers unions said, oh, we care about, you know, minorities and everything else.

Speaker 2 They did more damage to a whole generation of minorities more than they did white kids in general

Speaker 3 kids in general into the yeah into the gears of the machine i live in south america the lockdowns there were brutal everyone was under house arrest basically you were only allowed out of your house twice a week with papers that you had to show to police each uh paper was good for like roughly three hours

Speaker 3 And my daughter goes to daycare.

Speaker 3 She's four, and she was thankfully, you know, shielded from a lot of this and was able to have interaction and stuff. But a lot of kids weren't.
And a lot of kids her age and younger are nonverbal.

Speaker 3 They scream like instead of talking. I mean, they can, they're,

Speaker 3 it's, it's, it's devastating.

Speaker 3 And the fact that these people, you know, act like it was for the children or for public health when, you know, the evidence increasingly comes out and it wasn't, you know, it was, it was for something else.

Speaker 3 And I think we're, you know, it's increasingly becoming clear what that something else is and was.

Speaker 2 What we're doing to

Speaker 2 farming,

Speaker 2 the ESG and World Economic Forum Plan is

Speaker 2 evil. I mean, I don't,

Speaker 2 it seems an overused word, and it's one I swore off about five years ago. I said, I don't want to call things evil because it has to be evil is a different level.

Speaker 2 But when you're talking about controlling and dumbing down and enslaving and destroying, I don't know what other word to use for it.

Speaker 2 And they've gotten away with saying this is conspiracy theory, conspiracy theory.

Speaker 3 Well, they just, you know, I think that's, you know, since the term really entered the American vernacular after the assassination of John F.

Speaker 3 Kennedy, it's been used to basically claim that if you think powerful people get together to discuss how to advance their power and keep it

Speaker 3 at the expense of everyone else, that they have any agency,

Speaker 3 you know, you're crazy.

Speaker 3 It all has to be a coincidence. You know, they have, they never have any bad intentions.

Speaker 3 The people that are the oligarchs that fund our politicians and have ties with intelligence and have monopolies and

Speaker 3 the technology that runs our lives and stuff like that. I mean, it's, you know, I think at this point, you would be quite naive to think that's actually the case, but

Speaker 2 so how do people like the

Speaker 2 new

Speaker 2 governor, I think, of Alberta,

Speaker 2 standing up against ESG? And the first thing, one of the first things she said was, anybody that brags about how they have controls and people in every government

Speaker 2 leader's office, if not the leader themselves, I don't think we should be doing any business with them. And

Speaker 2 ESG and World Economic Forum is out.

Speaker 2 How does somebody like that survive somebody like Klaus Schwab?

Speaker 3 You know, I think, you know, it's not just Klaus Schwab. I think Klaus Schwab is sort of a man who is there to facilitate.

Speaker 3 I mean, let's talk about the World Economic Forum for a second and what it is and what it's not. They describe themselves as the premier promoter of public-private partnerships.

Speaker 3 For lack of a a better word, that is fascism. So

Speaker 3 then you have the family history of Klaus Schwab, that his father ran a Nazi model company and funded the atomic bomb and all of that, and just very complicated stuff there.

Speaker 3 And you basically have him being in this position where he's promoting

Speaker 3 fascism on a global

Speaker 2 white kitty cat away from being a James Bond super.

Speaker 3 Well, but I think that's, you know, they want everyone to focus on him and think that it's just him and just the World Economic Forum. There's other organizations that are promoting this too.

Speaker 3 And also a lot of the Young Global Leader program, that's not exclusive to the World Economic Forum. There's lots of other institutions with similar agendas

Speaker 3 that

Speaker 3 sort of are related to the World Economic Forum, which seeks not just public-private partnerships and fascism, but global governance. There's a lot of these organizations seating their people in

Speaker 3 certain places.

Speaker 3 So how do you fight against this? I think there are sort of like factional infighting to an extent. And it's really hard to know how that's going at any given time.

Speaker 3 But there's an obvious effort by powerful interests to stop nationalist politicians from reaching the highest levels.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 well, I think it's pretty clear. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, you know, how do they stop that? I don't know.
I mean, unfortunately, you look at the World Economic Forum, a lot of the banks are very involved.

Speaker 3 And when you, you know, are in bed with the banks and the banks are in bed with you,

Speaker 3 it's very hard to go against that in today's world. And, you know, they're making it even harder on the little people, people in Canada that protested with the, you know, the trucker protest.

Speaker 3 They were deplatformed, not from social media, but from the financial system. And I think that's going to become increasingly common.

Speaker 3 It's already happening to a lot of people that I work with, taken off of PayPal, having trouble with their banks, Venmo. I mean, you know.
Sure.

Speaker 3 And I think that's going to, you know, become increasingly commonplace, and that's how they're going to try and force compliance.

Speaker 3 And, you know, a big part of this, you have the move towards a central bank digital currency and all of that at the same time, which is programmable money.

Speaker 3 The state decides whether you save or you spend. They decide what you can and can't buy and all this stuff.

Speaker 3 And all the central banks, even on the, you know, in places like Russia where Vladimir Putin talks a good game about nationalism and protecting our culture they're going full steam ahead with that too

Speaker 3 it's the way you control a population yeah and I think all these governments are really interested right now in domestic control

Speaker 3 so what does America look like at the end China that is the goal of a lot of people at the highest levels of Silicon Valley and our government I would say look no oh sure I

Speaker 2 I have friends who are industrialist, and they would say to me 30 years ago, China's the new model.

Speaker 3 And I thought,

Speaker 2 that's a bad model. We don't want that.
They would just flippantly just say, China's the new model.

Speaker 2 It wasn't until 10 years later that I started going, wait a minute, they mean that sincerely, that how it works there, all of it is coming here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's been planned for a long time. We talked about China Gate earlier.
The origins of Silicon Valley are in that whole mix. And a lot of the most powerful people in our military industrial

Speaker 3 complex, including like Lockheed Martin, were involved with that and wanted that sensitive technology to go to China and undermine our national security.

Speaker 3 They're looking, there's something, there was something going on there then, and I think we're increasingly seeing it now.

Speaker 3 I wrote an article in 2020 about the National Security Commission on Artificial Intelligence.

Speaker 3 They basically say that in order to be competitive in artificial intelligence and secure economic and military hegemony for the United States, we have to go beyond China in terms of their implementation of surveillance technology, the use of artificial intelligence, moving away from private car ownership, which they refer to as a legacy system, in-person doctor visits, to the AI-powered alternative.

Speaker 3 This was in 2019, before COVID. COVID comes along.

Speaker 2 Two years before that, I talked to the chairman of the board at General Motors, and he told me by 2030, we won't be making cars as you know them today.

Speaker 2 We'll be making fleets because people will be there.

Speaker 3 It's, you know, Ubers you rent and you can't control where they go, and they're only going to be in the smart cities. You're not going between cities anymore.
No more road trips.

Speaker 3 No more, you know, you decide, oh, I want to go over here today. I want to drive three hours to see my family or whoever, my friends.

Speaker 3 That's over if these people win. And the National Security Commission on AI was run by Eric Schmidt, former head of Google.

Speaker 3 One of the co-chair was a very top guy that works closely with Schmidt that was at the Department of Defense. And it's the intelligence community, the military, and Silicon Valley.

Speaker 3 And those are the people increasingly running the show. And they think if we don't go beyond China's surveillance system, its mega city, smart city model, we will fail.

Speaker 3 And then you have people like Elon Musk coming in and saying, I want to take over Twitter for free speech. And then he also says, I want to make Twitter into basically like WeChat, which is, you know,

Speaker 3 basically a surveillance app to use in China. That's for your finances, your social media,

Speaker 3 pretty much everything is on that app. They even call it the everything app.
And that's his model.

Speaker 3 And the parent company of that, Tencent, is one of Tesla's shareholders and, you know, most active advisors.

Speaker 3 So is that data going to stay, you know, that he's going to get from Twitter, the new Twitter, when it becomes a WeChat WeChat equivalent, where's that going to go? I mean, there's a lot.

Speaker 3 If you look at, you know, the China connection here, it's, you know, when I was writing, before I wrote the book, I didn't realize the extent. of the overlap, but it's very concerning.

Speaker 3 You have people with major conflicts of interest running our national security policy on things like AI that have conflicts of interest with China.

Speaker 3 And they, you know, Eric Schmidt just wrote a book with Henry Kissinger, and these guys basically argue in order to avoid a war, a cataclysmic war with China, we have have to make good and cooperate with China.

Speaker 3 And the model for that is basically, you know, the World Economic Forum, I mean, they argue the same thing, global governance and technocracy

Speaker 3 following the China model here.

Speaker 3 And it's very against

Speaker 3 everything most Americans are accustomed to, but they're, I guess, finding ways to manufacture consent for it, whether the justification is climate change, it's COVID, it's a food and energy crisis that's been manufactured.

Speaker 3 You know, whatever they can, whatever will stick, they'll use. But the problem is you're having the people that control Silicon Valley behind this.

Speaker 3 They control where most people get their information, where most people socialize today. And they're increasingly censoring people from platforms.
They're waging basically a war on dissent.

Speaker 3 that I've written about a few times. And it's getting, you know, increasingly Orwellian to the point where, you know, they'll label you misinformation or, you know, this is disinformation.

Speaker 3 But, you know, the Biden administration, if their war on domestic terror advances the way they've written it out,

Speaker 3 you say the wrong thing, or you disagree with the state, even or the official narrative, you're

Speaker 3 inciting violence. You're potentially a domestic violent extremist.

Speaker 3 And that's happened in history before, not necessarily in the United States, but other countries. And it's pretty clear that once that type of policy gets implemented, things go downhill very quickly.

Speaker 2 Trevor Burrus, Jr.: Do you have hope at all that

Speaker 2 if the Republicans could win, it at least slows it down.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think people in the Republican,

Speaker 2 there's clearly people who go to Washington and actually believe it and then are turned,

Speaker 2 or they go to Washington, they're already a dirtbag and they know what they're getting into.

Speaker 2 And then there's a few that go and stand and are trying to hold the line.

Speaker 3 But they're a minority. A big minority.
Or they get forced out. Correct.
If I'm not mistaken, Ron Johnson, right,

Speaker 3 was the one that challenged a lot of COVID narratives. And I mean, even mainstream media in PR supposed to be objective says, oh, he spreads conspiracy theories and his challenger is a rising star.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I mean, they're very clear about who they favor and who they don't. And if they don't want you to win, they'll gerrymander your district.

Speaker 3 They'll do some, I mean, there's lots of tools that they can use to prevent you from.

Speaker 3 from staying in office. And who knows what we'll see in the midterm elections.

Speaker 3 But ultimately, you know, those type of people that are willing to stand their ground and actually fight for the American people are very few.

Speaker 3 Even in it doesn't really matter what party you're talking about. It's a very small number when you consider the amount of votes needed to pass certain legislation.

Speaker 3 So I think ultimately

Speaker 3 the way out of this is for the American people to realize that we,

Speaker 3 yes, this is a fight between good and evil, but if you're looking for the good guys, stop looking at people that are put on the TV screens in front of you and start looking at your neighbors yeah and the answer is so clear local local local local local local absolutely this is really us versus them it's not left versus right anymore we are so far beyond that yeah uh really and it's amazing and very heartening how many people that i know and i interview that

Speaker 2 we would have we would have been against each other 15 years ago, we would have said, oh, you're, you know,

Speaker 2 and now it's like, no, no, no, no, forget all, forget all of that. Yeah.
You know, and it's heartening that people are

Speaker 2 waking

Speaker 2 and starting to come together. Question is, do we make it fast enough? I've been saying for a while, this is going to be a photo finish.
I don't know which one's going to.

Speaker 3 I don't think anyone really does. And I think it comes down to how much responsibility people are willing to take for their own lives and

Speaker 3 how far communities are willing to go to ensure that they're self-reliant in the face of what we're facing.

Speaker 3 Well, if the banks are deplatforming people, you can't use their financial system. Are you going to go to the CBDC land where eventually you won't be able to spend money without

Speaker 3 a microchip in your hand and all of this stuff?

Speaker 3 There's obvious red lines people can't cross. How are you going to feed your family? How are you going to keep your house heated in winter?

Speaker 3 You know, basic needs. I think we should probably be taking some lessons from the Amish, to be honest.
I think right

Speaker 3 You know, I think they got

Speaker 3 stuff right that the Amish

Speaker 2 They're gonna be fine. They're gonna be fine.
We have

Speaker 3 We have outsourced our needs to corporations that want to enslave us so we have to start producing our own stuff at a local level.

Speaker 3 It's all about exit and build and that's what we have to do and the more people that do that

Speaker 3 the better off we will be the real question is how

Speaker 3 accustomed are Americans to convenience and will we be enslaved by that convenience or not? And I think that's the ultimate question.

Speaker 2 So far, we have been.

Speaker 3 A lot of people have been. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Talk to me a little bit about Bitcoin.

Speaker 3 So I'm, you know, not necessarily

Speaker 3 well versed on cryptocurrency. I do.

Speaker 3 I like Bitcoiners because we tend to have a lot, see a lot in common about, you know, the state of government today and the Federal Reserve, for example, example, central bank, central bank digital currency, and all of that.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 because I'm not particularly well versed in it, I don't like to tell people how to spend their money. It's a very individual decision.

Speaker 2 Do you think it can survive?

Speaker 3 I think the central banks, the bankers, and the government will do everything they can to prevent a currency that threatens their power from actually being able to be used.

Speaker 3 And I think we're already seeing major efforts to make that the case. They can make it illegal to

Speaker 3 turn it into something something else, illegal to use as tender. You know, they're looking at a lot of different options.

Speaker 3 But, you know, some Bitcoiners, despite that, think it's totally possible, but I don't think I'm qualified to talk about that.

Speaker 3 You know, I personally have, you know,

Speaker 3 in terms of my finances, like, you know, some people donate to my work in crypto.

Speaker 3 I have a little bit of that, but you know, I'm personally looking at trying to put as much of my money as I can and things that will keep me and my family self-sufficient, come what may,

Speaker 3 which in my case included like investing in land, so I'm not renting, I own where I live, I have enough land to produce what my family needs in terms of food, stocking up on things that I can't produce.

Speaker 3 You know, things like that. That's where my money is personally going, but I am not in the business of telling people, you know, giving financial advice beyond that.

Speaker 3 But, you know, if the goal is to have developed parallel systems so we're not dependent on the systems of the people trying to enslave us, you know, whatever you think is a good way to get from point A to point B,

Speaker 3 you know, that's probably where your money should be going. If Bitcoin's a part of that, if you feel that way, good for you.
And if not, you know, good for you too.

Speaker 3 I think ultimately what we need to do is

Speaker 3 try and create something so that we can be resilient and not have to,

Speaker 3 I mean, because the system is just so unacceptable.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's an, it's really not just in, and it's not just against freedom and all sorts of other values, right? It's just, it's it's against nature. It's against life, really.

Speaker 3 And so, I mean, if you're going to support that, you know, I think people have to realize the consequences that come with that and exactly what it means when you are willing to give yourself over to that kind of system, the implications of that.

Speaker 3 And I think a lot of people don't really realize that or take the time to think about it. And I think they should.

Speaker 2 Are you God-driven? Is God a center of you?

Speaker 3 Yeah, but I tend to think of maybe God differently than most Christians. I don't really see it as a person or as a man.
I see it as maybe the universe or the creative force,

Speaker 3 you know, the energy that drives all lives.

Speaker 2 George Lucas and the force. I mean,

Speaker 3 there's a lot of different ways, you know, to look at it. But ultimately, if you're looking at humanity, what do you like about humanity?

Speaker 3 It's the creativity. It's the vivaciousness.

Speaker 3 That's the stuff that I think we're fighting for.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 a lot of the guys behind this want to eliminate that.

Speaker 3 I think a lot of transhumanism is aimed at creating like a drone-like workforce that will never be able to challenge their working conditions or ask for a bigger piece of the pie.

Speaker 3 And it's amazing to me

Speaker 3 that more people on the left don't see that if they're all about workers' rights and unionizing. All right, you have a chip in your brain.

Speaker 3 How's workers' rights going to go?

Speaker 2 How is union

Speaker 2 How are the unions in bed furthering all of this?

Speaker 3 Well, I would say that you just have to look back to the unions, you know, back in the 20s and 30s and 40s and how organized crime took them over. And that hasn't really changed.

Speaker 3 So, the big ones, I mean, you know.

Speaker 3 So it's, you know, a lot of those guys over the years have evolved to support these types of policies because it's more control and money. And what does the mob love more than anything else, right?

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 2 Why is the left,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I've always held libertarian, more libertarian views. When it comes to social issues, I don't care who you marry.
I don't care what you do. I don't care who you love.
That's no business of mine.

Speaker 2 It shouldn't be any business of the government. You know, that was a progressive idea to have a marriage license from the government.

Speaker 2 But we fought this. And I remember saying to my daughter, who was in college at the time, she said, Dad, it's about love.
And I said, I don't think it is. I think it's about control.
And

Speaker 2 this argument, if we play it out, you can't stop polygamy. You can't change one factor without changing other factors.

Speaker 2 And everyone said these things were crazy.

Speaker 2 We are now

Speaker 2 transitioning kids

Speaker 2 because there's no gender identity anymore. We are sexualizing our youngest kids.

Speaker 2 Where is that coming from? It's such a force.

Speaker 3 If your ultimate goal is total control, you need to have a population that has no national identity, that has no identity period.

Speaker 3 That identity can be fluxed and can be moved whenever convenient for the people on top. If people have an identity and know who they are and know where they stand, they're a lot harder to control.

Speaker 3 And I think if you make all of that fluid

Speaker 3 at every level, level,

Speaker 3 it's a lot easier to exert your will

Speaker 3 over them because, you know,

Speaker 3 they don't have their feet firmly on the ground, right?

Speaker 2 I thought of this several times during this podcast. I think this is the most empowerful interview I've ever done.

Speaker 3 Well, thank you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, I

Speaker 2 hope people listen and

Speaker 2 open their mind enough to go,

Speaker 2 that can't be true. I mean, I usually start my investigations on things going,

Speaker 3 no way, it can't be.

Speaker 2 I don't do that as often now because I'm seeing, oh, yeah, it probably is. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who were you before you started doing this? I mean, did you believe these things? Or have you found these things going, oh my gosh, and one leads to another?

Speaker 3 Well, I guess you could say that when I was younger in my teen years, I had a major trust issue with adults.

Speaker 3 And I just had a hard time. I just didn't believe what I was told.
A lot of the time, I had to figure it out for myself and all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 I guess that's sort of a lot of some teenagers are like that. But I.

Speaker 3 You know, around the time I was in university, the last year or two, I sort of figured out a lot of things about

Speaker 3 American history that's sort of hidden from us.

Speaker 3 The government isn't exactly there to help necessarily.

Speaker 2 I don't know how we went from, hey, government is like fire with George Washington saying, if you're in control of it, it's good.

Speaker 2 If it's out of control, it'll burn you, to, hey, we're from the government. We'll educate your kids.
How could you possibly think a government is going to raise kids who say, be skeptical of us?

Speaker 3 Yeah, well,

Speaker 3 it's not, you know,

Speaker 3 look at who has taken over our education system. You go back to things like the Rockefeller family or their role in healthcare.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of oligarch families that have very specific agendas that have really taken over government policy, and it's been like that for a very long time.

Speaker 3 And they're not elected. No one put them in charge.

Speaker 3 Actually, a lot of people used to hate the Rockefeller family until, you know, they started a major PR campaign to rebrand themselves as philanthropists that a lot of other unpleasant people have since followed.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 the long-term consequences of that we are seeing today.

Speaker 3 But anyway,

Speaker 3 in terms of my background, you know, I was 21, 22, and just looking around, you know, I'm 33, so I'm a millennial, right?

Speaker 3 And most people my age just, you know, I could see a lot of this stuff, like

Speaker 3 we're too dependent on corporations that have a lot of nasty agendas or do bad things. There's a lot of issues, a lot of illegal wars, no accountability at the highest levels of government.

Speaker 3 You know, if people my age don't start doing something, it's going to get really bad.

Speaker 3 And most, you know, most people are like, stop talking about that. I have Netflix and beer, so I don't care.
Everything's fine as long as I'm comfortable basically.

Speaker 3 You know, screw your politics or screw your concerns. And I just

Speaker 3 left the U.S. after that.

Speaker 2 How can the same group of people, that generation, claim that,

Speaker 2 no, you have to be an activist, you have to be involved in climate change. And, you know, I'm going to sit down and glue myself to a wall like a moron.

Speaker 3 You know, yeah, well, that's the activism that's put in front of young people today, and they're being told that's what activism is, and that that's the activism that's sort of in vogue because it's shown and treated by mainstream media as sticking it to the man.

Speaker 3 These people throwing tomato soup on paintings, but you look at those groups, I think they're called Just Stop Oil. They're funded by the Getty and Rockefeller families.

Speaker 3 And the Rockefeller family, you know, made their money off of oil, but they have a longtime interest in eugenics and funding.

Speaker 3 you know, people that basically helped create this sort of new environmental movement that downplays pollution and plays up carbon dioxide, and that's all we should be worried about.

Speaker 3 And, you know, it's humanity, the biggest, I think the quote from the Club of Rome is the biggest enemy of humanity is man and furthering that narrative, not that, you know, it's not the corporations that pollute or even the U.S.

Speaker 3 military is

Speaker 3 even by climate change metrics, the biggest contaminator of the planet and all of that. It's not about those guys, it's just about the regular people.

Speaker 3 But really what it's about is controlling how much energy people can use. And if you can control how much energy a household can use, you can control their economic activity.

Speaker 3 You also control how many family, how big their family can get.

Speaker 3 And I think that's ultimately what it's about. It's not about the environment for these people.
And a lot of it is, you know, Wall Street driven.

Speaker 3 You look at the United Nations, a lot of the people they put in charge of climate change policy. You have Mark Carney, former head of the Bank of England and the Bank of Canada, I believe.

Speaker 3 He's one of the guys that came in to rescue HSBC when they were caught money laundering for Mexican drug cartels.

Speaker 3 Not exactly a good guy, and it's very unlikely that he is driven by concern about the environment. And then the other person is Michael Bloomberg, former mayor of New York and billionaire guy.

Speaker 3 And so these are the people crafting the solutions. And just like COVID, you don't have time to think about what we're telling you.

Speaker 3 You just have to accept these solutions because if you don't, something really, really bad will happen. And it's the same, it's sort of a similar narrative to what was played out with COVID.

Speaker 2 Everything, guns, cars, everything.

Speaker 3 Yeah. So, you know, people are being, it's fear,

Speaker 3 fear-driven to get people to accept policies they otherwise wouldn't accept because they're told this cataclysmic event is just down the line. And trust us, again, is the conclusion of that.

Speaker 3 So, you know, there's people that agree with the narrative about climate change and there's people that don't. And I'm not trying to really get in that space when I talk about this stuff.

Speaker 3 I'm trying to point out that the solutions are coming mostly from Wall Street. And they're things like carbon markets.

Speaker 3 They're things like debt for climate swaps, which back in the day used to be debt for land swaps, not about climate change, about other stuff.

Speaker 3 And then you have people like Larry Fink of BlackRock and Michael Bloomberg and Mark Carney coming together and something like G-Fan saying, why don't we give Wall Street direct control of the IMF and the World Bank

Speaker 3 for climate change?

Speaker 3 How can anyone on the left that's worried about climate change sign up on that? Why don't they talk about planting trees? Why isn't Bill Gates the largest private landowner in the U.S.

Speaker 3 now planting trees like crazy if he's so worried about carbon dioxide?

Speaker 3 He poo-poos the whole idea of planting trees as a way to combat climate change.

Speaker 3 It's just carbon markets and going to electric vehicles and all of this stuff, but electric vehicles necessitates mass mining.

Speaker 3 And a lot of that mining is in places that use child labor or it's going to be so environmentally destructive you totally destroy the developing world, which these people on the left supposedly want to protect.

Speaker 3 You're going to totally destroy the environment.

Speaker 3 um i live in the south of chile in the andes uh it's one of the only areas in chile that's still like forested and really nice not polluted water any of that most of the mining in chile is historically in the north which has become very polluted and uh has a lack of water among other things and now the mines are starting to move south because of this demand for more and more minerals for you know electric vehicles and all of that a lake that used to be used for tourism there was some mineral, I forget what it is, discovered in the lake shore, and then the water just disappears one season and now it's ready to be mining right next to a national park.

Speaker 3 I used to live and work in Peru.

Speaker 3 They were talking about putting a uranium mine next to Machu Picchu and all types of stuff.

Speaker 3 I mean, this is going, the mining stuff is not being talked about, and you know, electrical vehicles are being marketed as necessary, but it's going to come at a massive, massive cost.

Speaker 3 And I think that, you know,

Speaker 3 again,

Speaker 3 the environmental movement is focused on carbon dioxide.

Speaker 3 If they were really worried about the environment, they would also educate people on how destructive this type of mining is and what it does to the people who live there and the environment, including in protected areas.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of species in this particular area of Chile where I live that are only there. And they've

Speaker 3 you know, been there for thousands of years and they'll not exist if a lot of this mining goes forward.

Speaker 3 But if you ask people like Bill Gates, for example, if he has a joint venture with most of the other Titans of Silicon Valley called Cobalt Metals, they say all of the world's reserves of lithium, cobalt, and nickel must be completely mined if we even want to get close to the electrical vehicle revolution.

Speaker 3 So that means digging up the entire Andes, including areas that are national parks right now.

Speaker 3 And even if they do with all the reserves that we know that we have, you're not going to be able to reproduce the amount of private cars in use today. It's going to be way less cars.

Speaker 3 And so they're just going to be, I mean, the model's already sort of been out there. They fielded it in the UK recently.
You can't drive out of your district and all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 It's going to be much more controlled, the freedom of movement. Well, it's not really going to be freedom of movement.
It's going to be controlled movement.

Speaker 2 Last question.

Speaker 2 Are you optimistic?

Speaker 3 So that's a tricky question. You know,

Speaker 3 sometimes you're working and writing on this stuff. I mean, it's ups and downs sometimes you feel inspired sometimes you're like oh my gosh you know

Speaker 3 yeah

Speaker 3 you know but ultimately there's really no other way to be except to believe totally in a better future

Speaker 3 I mean we have to be totally committed to that if we're going to do it and do it quickly and

Speaker 3 you know I have a lot of hope that

Speaker 3 Americans, when things get really rough, will come together, at least most of us. I think so too.
You know,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 in the environment we're in right now, I think it's incumbent on everyone, no matter how small or big your platform is, to speak up about what is happening.

Speaker 3 I think we are past the time about worrying about what people say about you, about at work or at home, or wherever.

Speaker 2 The president gave a speech last night, and he, I don't remember what he was calling people, and I thought, that just, that is so, I so, I am so far beyond caring about names and labels that anybody, you know, and I think there are more and more people around the world that are like, I don't care.

Speaker 2 I don't care what you call me. I don't care, you know, what you do.

Speaker 2 I just know what's true. And I'm just not going there with you.

Speaker 3 Well, the government wants to define what is true and what is not. I wrote a recent article about that and explaining some of the calls to basically

Speaker 3 make it such.

Speaker 3 And it's, you know, even if they try and do that and they try and say, this is the state, you know, the state is defining truth.

Speaker 3 And if you deviate from that, you are inciting violence and all of that. But the problem is, people at a visceral level gravitate toward the truth.

Speaker 3 So they hear it and they're like, oh, that makes sense. Or they look at the sourcing.

Speaker 3 Or they investigate for themselves and they realize what is true and what is not.

Speaker 3 So, you know, the state and Silicon Valley, there's really not that much space between them, to be honest, at this point.

Speaker 3 You know, they can try and censor and manipulate and whatever, but ultimately people are going to gravitate towards what is true.

Speaker 3 And there's going to be a point where they're not going to be able to really, the tools they have now will not work.

Speaker 3 And I think a lot of

Speaker 3 that time will come once people stop trying to use these platforms that they are manipulating and start just going out.

Speaker 3 and talking to people they know.

Speaker 3 We have to get offline and we have to do it quickly. Maybe even get back, you know, circulating in print stuff that's printed.
I mean, we really have to stop

Speaker 3 being so dependent on these platforms that they're obviously manipulating. I think everyone knows about it or they're censoring people from.

Speaker 3 And they're using it to profile you.

Speaker 3 You know, stop giving them your data and start getting in the real world and telling people what's what. I mean, they may call you crazy, but the stakes are too high to not do it.
That's how I feel.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 3 My pleasure. Thank you.
Thank you.

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