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Most of that, yes, I agree with.

There's a bit of it, I won't identify which part.

Today's podcast is great.

A lot of things that we put together that I just don't think you're going to hear anyplace else.

And then a solution.

And in fact, it is the only solution

that I can guarantee will work.

And in fact, on yesterday's podcast, I think I said four or five times that there is something you must do or you will not survive.

And lo and behold,

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So, there are some real answers on today's show in

hour number two and hour number three.

This is hour number one if you happen to be

listening in the normal order.

Thank you so much for joining us.

I want to give you a roadmap today,

and the roadmap is just a I'm just going to drop a pin on where we are today and where we're headed.

Just told you about the slippery slope and the things that are happening to your family and what the DOJ is doing about it, which is

worse than nothing.

Now let me talk to you a little bit about something that came up over the weekend and I have been trying to figure it out and talked to some experts.

It took me a couple of days to get to a place to where I could really explain it to you.

One of the things that's happening in the market is you've got two big banks, Deutsche Bank and Credit Suisse, that are about to default, or at least it looks like it.

Let me take you back in history.

Back in March 2020, right at the dawn of the COVID-19 panic, some interesting things happened on Wall Street.

March 9th, the Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 2,000 points.

That's more than a 10% crash in a single day.

At the time, it was one of the largest single-day declines in the U.S.

history of stocks.

More than $1.8 trillion was wiped out from the U.S.

pensions and retirement funds in a single day.

March 10th, the very next day, the Federal Reserve began making emergency loans to what were considered to be systematically important banks, that is, banks that are just too big to fail.

Now, it's important to remember that we didn't learn about these emergency loans made during March of 2020, just as the WHO and the CDC were declaring a pandemic.

We didn't learn about those loans until two years later because the Fed isn't, they're no longer required to tell you who they're making loans to or for how much until two full years after it makes the loans.

So they say that's not to make sure that nobody is panicking.

Well, investors, if they knew in real time these banks needed cash, it would cause a run on the banks so for example on march 9th the dow lost 2 000 points and more than 10 percent of its value so on march 10th and we know this now because two years have passed the u.s federal reserve made 112 billion dollars in emergency loans to 24 banks stocks rebounded slightly but then the first deaths started being reported from covid at retirement homes trump canceled the international travel and within a couple of days stocks were down another 1,500 points, shedding $4 trillion in wealth from the portfolios of Americans in just a couple of days.

For its part, the Fed continued lending, distributing a total of $1 trillion,

$1 trillion in emergency loans to banks in just a six-day period.

Remember, this is two weeks into the pandemic, well before businesses were shut down.

At this point,

all that had really happened to the economy economy was that stocks, you know, the forward-looking investment vehicle, were declining.

But this was enough for the Fed to print $1 trillion in new currency and loan it out to the banks considered too big to fail.

Not just our banks.

No, no, not just the U.S.

banks.

Some of the largest borrowers in the past 20 years from emergency loans from our Federal Reserve have been foreign banks and investment firms.

Nomura Securities out of Japan, BNC, Peribus, the French bank, Barclays Bank out of the UK.

All of these are the largest borrowers from the Fed.

So

was the largest Swiss bank Credit Suisse?

The largest Swiss bank Credit Suisse

Were they on that list?

Oh yeah.

Just in six days from March 10th to March 16th, 2020, Credit Suisse requested and was granted $50 billion in emergency loans, more than 7% of the total that the Fed had loaned to 24 banks.

But that was COVID, right?

Now, it may seem odd that the Central Bank of the United States needed to loan the largest Swiss bank $50 billion in just a few days.

Don't they have their own central bank?

But let's just chalk it up to yet another COVID emergency.

We had to do something.

We had to bail out the largest banks in Japan, Switzerland, UK, France.

I mean, it was a pandemic.

So now, fast forward to 2022.

All those banks got their COVID bailout.

In January 2022, the Dow Jones Industrial Average hit a new all-time high.

So clearly, the bailouts worked and the banks made all this money.

The banks were able to recover and get past the pandemic, right?

I mean, those trillions in loans to banks skyrocketed inflation and,

added to the currency circulation and inflation is defined by you know too much currency too much money chasing too few goods but we saved the banks right we restored the stock market and set ourselves out to a record a record recovery well yesterday credit suisse flagged as the too big to fail bank by the U.S.

Federal Reserve, their stock hit an all-time low.

They shed more than 65%

of its value, losing 20% of its value in one day.

Worse, investors are effectively betting now that

credits Suisse will go belly up next year.

We know this because of, I hate to bring this word up, credit default swaps.

I'm not going to get all big short on you, but this is

when you have the bonds and you think, uh-oh, I think we might lose, the bank might go out.

I buy an insurance policy, okay?

Credit default, and I swap.

I swap what I'm holding, I give it to you, and I get the insurance money.

Okay, credit default swaps.

It's a way to bet on the down.

It's horrible, but now 30%, it went up.

These, the price to

to insure went up 25%

yesterday.

Yesterday.

30% of people are now betting that Credit Suisse is going to collapse.

So what's going on?

Why would it collapse?

Again,

I'm not going to go into all of this stuff.

I just need you to understand the big points and you will understand.

This will take your breath away.

Again, remember we all talked about credit default swaps and derivatives.

Oh, derivatives.

Oh, that's horrible.

Without getting into all of that, remember when we said

that the global

derivatives market after 2008 started going back up again.

And it surpassed what happened in 2008.

And the global derivatives market was about $100 trillion.

And we were like, $100 trillion?

That's horrible.

and we raised the alarm they haven't learned anything in fact it's gotten worse then it rose to five hundred trillion dollars just a couple of years ago and we raised the alarm again

any

idea

where the derivatives market is right now

after two years of pandemic two years of biden inflation and after stocks have lost 20 percent of their value since January, where's the derivative market?

$1 quadrillion dollars.

No way out.

One quadrillion.

That's $1,000 trillion.

That's what's held by the 24 largest banks in the world.

$1,000 trillion.

You haven't even begun to feel the pain of what these people have done.

Derivatives have been around since the 1920s, but we have gone insane.

Now,

last year, when a private wealth fund defaulted, It cost the global banks more than $11 billion in derivatives losses.

More than $5 billion was absorbed by Credit Suisse Bank.

That's nearly half the global losses of one firm

that just had $11 billion.

We have one quadrillion.

Now,

if I'm you,

I could easily say it's a German bank or a Swiss bank, and it's not my problem.

But it is your problem because it is your dollar, your currency provided by your Federal Reserve.

Why are there not people standing in front of the Federal Reserve demanding answers and holding signs up, one quadrillion dollars?

Where does inflation come from?

You think it's all government spending?

Collectively, since the Fed started emergency lending operations in September of 2019.

And note for you conspiracy theorists out there, September of 2019 was five full months before there was a single positive COVID case in the U.S.

And we were talking about it in September of 2019.

The foreign banks have collectively borrowed $6 trillion

from the Federal Reserve.

Now, here's the funny thing:

$6 trillion has already gone out.

$1 quadrillion dollars.

If the Federal Reserve decides to lend Credit Suisse another $500 billion

today or tomorrow to bail itself out of whatever mess it's in,

you,

the one who's actually paying for this, you won't know for another two years.

Because under Dodd-Frank, you know, the one that was going to fix everything, the Fed's reporting requirements

now allow for a two-year delay.

So, if we are bailing out Germany and Switzerland today,

make sure you tune into this show on October 4th, 2024,

to find out what it costs you.

This is the best of the Glenbeck program.

Chad, welcome to the program, sir.

How are you?

Good.

This is Glenn?

Yes, you're on.

How are you, sir?

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

Thanks for having me on, Glenn.

You bet.

Where are you right now?

I am down in the Woodlands, Texas.

Okay, good, good, good.

You're home.

I'm home.

I saw you about four weeks ago, and you had just come from the front lines over in Ukraine.

And I said, what are you seeing?

And you said, well, I'm not seeing really any significant American relief.

And I'm not.

No.

And that was the same on this trip, Glenn.

And it's really,

it's not only sad and unfortunate.

It needs to be addressed.

I mean, there is no congressional oversight on this money.

This money is going into a black hole.

And in any country in the world, it would be

bad.

I mean, people are people, and governments are corrupt, and it's going to end up where it shouldn't.

And the money's not ending up where it's going.

It's U.S.

taxpayers' dollars, millions of dollars.

And not only that,

it's being sent because it's needed.

It's needed to save lives and restore humanity, and it's not being used for that.

So, do you think that's us, or do you think that's them, or a combination of the two?

I think it's a combination of the two.

You know, I've been getting a lot of slack from people like, why are you over in Ukraine helping?

Ukraine's a corrupt country.

I'm like, well, you know what else is corrupt?

Washington, D.C.

And,

you know, governments are corrupt around the world.

Certainly, Ukraine has had a history of corruption.

And it's been a hotbed of money laundering and things like that.

But so has Washington, D.C.

And the fact that this money is not being audited or accounted for or

has any kind of oversight just leaves room for corruption both in Ukraine and Washington, D.C.

And I don't think it's, I think it would not be difficult at all.

We have the embassy back in Ukraine now.

It would not be difficult to have correct congressional oversight over these funds and make sure they go to the right place.

It's needed.

I do believe the money is needed there.

I know there's not everyone agrees with that, but

I believe we should be supporting these people, not in a realm of the money that we are giving them.

I think that was too big of a blank check.

you know a lot can be done with a lot less money but it actually has to get to where it belongs and uh and you know i i just as mighty yokes and you know mercury one you guys helped us help us financially, Glenn.

And we just brought $20,000 in medical supplies to Special Operations on the Front Line.

When I say medical supplies, IFACs, individual first aid kits, they're going as troops because they don't have them.

And they're like, please give us anything.

So not only did we bring $20,000 worth of IFACs to give this Special Forces unit, but we brought ER Trava doctor who trains Army Special Forces medics.

We brought him with us to teach them how to use that.

And that's something that we did.

We did that trip for maybe, it cost us $40,000 to do that trip.

And they were so thankful for that.

They were like, that's life-saving training that we were able to give them.

And meanwhile, billions of dollars isn't reaching them.

Why can't those billions of dollars go to things like that?

Yeah, because it's going through government

and dirty hands every step of the way.

You're also delivering something else along with the medical care, are you not?

That's right.

We, you know, Mighty Oaks does, for U.S.

service members, we've done over, you know, over 400,000 active duty U.S.

service members with our spiritual resiliency program.

And in 2016, we decided to bring this to our allied troops around the world.

We went to Ukraine before in 2017 and 2018 to do this.

And so now we're back there in the front lines.

And we go there.

A typical day will be, we'll give them some classes that are non-lethal aid, like bailout procedures for the personal safety, medical classes.

We'll give them resources and supplies.

And then we'll give them resources that are spiritual.

We give out the audio Bible sticks to them and some other resources to help work on their mental and spiritual health.

And at the end of the day, once we built a rapport with them all day, we're able to talk to them, veteran to veteran, combat veteran to combat veteran, peer to peer, about spiritual resiliency and mental resiliency.

That way they can stay in the fight to protect their homes and their families and

their freedom.

And, you know, we know from our experience as warfighters and after 20 years of war that we just went through, that there's a lot of things you can have on the battlefield, but nothing's more essential than having a strong spiritual foundation.

And we were able to share the gospel of Christ with these guys.

Chad, tell me about

the

war crimes that you witnessed.

I've been seeing this since February, since we've been going there, Glenn, but nothing worse than the last few trips

because I'm getting further.

I'm getting more into the front lines.

I just was in a Zoom.

I was two hours east of a Zoom, which is pretty much Russia.

And that had been occupied for six months.

And some of the areas we saw, I'll get to the mass raise, but one of the things that I think is important to know is every, and I'm not exaggerating when I say this: every home, every hospital, every school, every structure,

it's almost almost impressive, as somebody that's been in combat, impressive to say they hit every single structure.

And these aren't military targets, these are civilians.

By the way, we're showing some videos on

Blaze TV right now.

Some of them are graphic, so look away.

But I've seen these earlier.

Yeah, the apartment buildings,

I mean, what you're saying is true.

There's really nothing left.

Nothing.

It's all rubble.

And you say that's different than usual in wars like this?

Absolutely.

I mean, even the Taliban isn't this brutal.

I mean, the Taliban attacks civilians.

It's terrorism.

They want to

intimidate people.

But this is an intimidation.

This is, I mean, you're talking like those, some of those buildings in the videos you've seen look like two buildings.

It's one building.

It's a five-story building blown out to the ground.

And this was women and children and civilians living in it.

And this wasn't one that was accidental.

This is every apartment building in the area had

an airdropped missile right into the roof of that apartment building that blew it to the ground and killed thousands of civilians.

And this isn't really reported.

I'm happy you're allowing me to give this news right now, but it's not being reported.

And then, you know, so this is again, this is not

this is not a collateral damage this is not uh

you know indiscriminate fire this is a direct targeting of civilian uh complexes and and civilians which is a war crime and you know and and the international courts uh the icc the international criminal court in the un

needs to be stepping in because this is not should never be allowed uh regardless of ukraine russia political sides like who what none of that this should never be allowed in this point of our civilization to attack civilians this way.

And, you know, after we spent the day, I spent, I was with

the chief Fadim, who's the chief of the entire law enforcement for all of Ukraine.

He'd be like over, essentially over like the FBI,

CIA, everything for all of Ukraine.

And he was sent there by the government to make sure they secured a Zoom after they recaptured it.

So we were with him.

As I drove to meet him,

myself and my partner are driving in this combat area to meet him, and two MiG fighters flew over.

They did a gun run, dropped bombs over there.

I've been a lot of war zones and never had

air struck air, enemy air over us.

I mean we always controlled the air.

So that was kind of a pretty crazy scenario for me.

We had a Hind helicopter fly by.

We get to the front and we're with them while they're fighting.

We're getting shelled and rocketed within 100 meters of us and the small arms fire.

And you've probably seen some of the videos I sent with.

I probably counted about 60 Russian soldiers.

They were like 18, 19, 20 years old.

It's sad to know that many of them probably don't even know why they were there.

And they were dead or dying.

And one of the things I did see the Ukrainians, as we were moving forward, and they were dying Russian soldiers, they were rendering aid.

And that shows who's the good guys, because these guys are rendering aid.

Meanwhile, these Russians had occupied their homes and killed their family members for six months.

And the Ukrainians are still rendering aid.

And I thought that really stood out to me.

Who's on the right side?

I want to play a clip from you out on the field where you're talking about mass graves.

Here it is.

This area is

1,200

people were missing from this area.

They found 1,100 bodies in this area, and they were burned before the buried.

So you can tell they're trying to destroy the evidence of...

the mass killings.

Most of the people were, their hands were tied, some in front of their backs, some behind their backs um in executed style so we're not just talking about ballistic missiles and and shelling uh which we've seen i've seen uh firsthand driving through cities that are just leveled to rebel uh civilian targets civilian neighborhoods uh but we're talking beyond that just uh with indirect fire and and uh uh this is not uh

uh indiscriminate fire because you know we drove through areas and me and my teammate are driving through like they strategically hit every structure every house every building every school every hospital.

But now beyond that,

once they take these areas, they're bringing these civilians out here in the woods, tying their hands behind their back

and executing them, burning their bodies to hide the evidence, putting them in mass graves.

You saw these

people with their hands tied behind their backs.

You saw this yourself?

I saw it myself, Gwen.

Yeah.

And, you know,

there were two mass graves that we were brought to.

One was 474 people.

They counted specifically.

The other was estimated about 1,100 people.

And mostly, all all civilians, mostly, because the m most of the men would have been out fighting, most of them were women, a lot of children.

And

it appeared what they were using the graves for, when I say 1,100 people, I don't think they killed 1,100 people one time, but I think over six months they did was, you know, as they arrested people, they brought them there.

you know, probably bound and handcuffed and then and then would have killed them on that side, just pushed them in as a place of disposal.

That's that would be my, I don't have evidence of that, but that would be my interpretation of from what I saw it happen.

And then, as Ukraine came in and tried, and it was retaking that area, and it appeared they tried to burn the bodies to maybe hide the evidence.

But you know, burning bodies is harder than it sounds.

You got to use a lot of fuel.

And so then they tried to bury it, and then they vacated the area.

When I say they vacated, they must have left in a hurry because they left 74 tanks in this area.

Chad, so what do we what do we do?

You know,

this, to me, Glenn, this is a

this only gets worse.

Either Russia's losing, uh, so I think Putin has to show strength.

So I think the only scenarios is that he's going to escalate and do something radical, even more radical than this.

Or, you know, you have the other scenarios.

You have Zawinski, who can't, because Zawinski, in the eyes of Ukraine, they're winning.

And as they're winning, you can't, he's not going to go to the negotiation table.

So it would also also require Putin to do something that would force him to negotiation table.

But I think what we could do as a world, and I don't mean as America, but as a world, is NATO needs to accept Ukraine in the NATO, or and or the UN and the International Criminal Court needs to recognize these war crimes and these human rights violations and hold Putin accountable.

And that's what the UN's for.

That's what the International Criminal Court is for,

for these exact scenarios.

But we're not seeing them take action.

So what we we could do, you and I, is exactly what we're doing right now, is exposing this.

I believe if I would have not leaked this information in the box, if they would have if I'd have reported it right to the United States government, or it would have been swept away because they don't want it to be known because if it's known, then they have to do something about it.

And so we need to make sure that it's reporting from the front lines.

Unfortunately, journalists can't make it to these a lot of these areas because it's so volatile.

And

I get that, but the reporting needs to be needs to be it needs to be exposed and uh and you know our government needs to be held accountable for these billions of dollars so that ukraine could if we are going to give if our government is going to decide to give this money then it needs to go where it belongs again i think you and i both agree that this much money is makes the problem worse uh but um

you know if we are going to give it then then give it and have good oversight uh if if we're going to have international criminal court system then then use it for times like this the u n this is what it's for this is what the u n is for And, you know, I also believe NATO, at this point, NATO should accept Ukraine.

And by the way, in the last, I think just a couple of days ago, President Zawinski applied again for

Ukraine to be accepted into NATO.

Chad, thank you so much for doing everything that you do.

I know your heart is in the right place.

I know who you serve.

And

I can't imagine what this does for somebody who went through PTSD to be over there again and seeing these things.

So, I appreciate your service to him and to us.

So, thank you so much, Chad.

Thank you, Gen.

God bless, and thanks for all your support, too.

We couldn't do it without you.

You got it.

Mighty Oaks Foundation, he's the founder and CEO, co-founder of Save Our Allies.

You can follow him at save our allies or saveourallies.org.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Max Lucato is with us now.

Max, how are you?

It's great to see you, Glenn.

It's good to see you.

Thank you.

Max says he's a guy who writes books for people who don't read books.

And those people

read a lot of his books.

96 million copies of his books are in print, 56 languages worldwide.

He had just started a new podcast with a global pandemic.

He started a video check-in, a daily video check-in.

More than

that, that check-in is more than 42 million times people have checked in with it.

And he now has his Encouraging Word podcast, which is one of the top podcasts in religion and self-help.

And he's here because he has a new book called Help is Here.

Max and I were just talking off the air, and I want you to know as a listener,

I think what Max is going to outline is

vitally important.

I don't believe in coincidence.

I have told you for a very long time that there's going to come a time when

you're going to need the spirit so close and you listen to the spirit so closely that when it says stop, turn around,

you will stop, turn around, and go the other way I've said that for 15 years

yesterday I told you that time is here yesterday I think four times on the show which is an unusual number for me unless I really want to make sure people hear it

yesterday I said

you will not survive You will not survive what is coming without the constant companion of the Holy Spirit.

That's unusual for a public broadcaster to say, but I know it to be true.

Something I didn't know yesterday, because we booked this maybe a month or two ago,

that Max was coming, and I knew he was coming with a book.

And as I'm doing my show prep, I realize what the book is about.

Help is here.

Finding fresh strength and purpose in the power of the Holy Spirit.

Welcome, Max.

I think you're supposed to be here today.

I'm just so excited, Glenn.

Number one, I'm always excited to see you.

I admire you, hold you in highest esteem, and deeply, deeply appreciate you.

Thank you.

I think you're such a crucial voice in our society.

And thank you for not giving up and for not throwing in the towel.

Nope.

Nope, that ain't going to happen.

That's not going to happen.

Yeah.

So thank you.

Thank you.

And I'm just happy to be here to see you and to discuss the power and the presence of the Holy Spirit.

So it's weird because, as you said, you didn't say God, you didn't say Jesus, you said the Holy Spirit.

Define what the Holy Spirit is.

Yeah, well, the Holy Spirit is the living presence of God on our planet today.

The Holy Spirit executes the will of God, just as Jesus did when Jesus was on the earth, and just as God the Father does

primarily prior to Christ, and then Christ executed that will and now the Holy Spirit is executing that will.

It's not quite that tidy.

You know, there's always overlap that our little minds cannot conceive of.

But it also

verifies truth.

Yes.

Yes.

And the Holy Spirit will lead us into all truth.

That was the promise of Christ.

The Holy Spirit is here to strengthen us, to convict us, to challenge us, to comfort us, to heal us.

And I think where you and I align so closely is that as we look back, especially over the last 200 or 300 years

of world history and then the 300 years of our nation's history, there have been seasons in which we desperately needed societal renewal.

And those seasons came, Glenn, as a result of an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, not as a result of a new policy, a new president, or a different change of leadership, but there was a sovereign.

Even a church.

Even a church, absolutely.

Or not pastors,

but there was a supernatural.

We'd look at the First Great Awakening, the Second Great Awakening, even the Jesus movement that we recall from the late 60s or mid-60s into the early 70s.

There are these occasions in which God in his sovereignty says, I'm going to rescue my people.

And it's always right in the midst of or toward the end of a time of desperation.

And I think that's what you're saying.

We're desperate in need of a help.

So when I say, because it's definitely a prompting,

you don't survive without it.

And I've described it this way for 15 years, maybe 20 years.

Describe to somebody who's not all familiar with this,

what does that mean?

When you say you don't survive without him, you are spot on.

And just quickly, statistically, we see this, right?

Anxiety is off the charts.

The loneliest generation ever recorded is the millennial generation.

About 24% say they have zero friends.

During the season of life, you should have an abundance of friends and building families for the future.

One out of four say, I don't even have a friend.

The most alarming statistic is that suicides are up 33 percent since 1999, the highest they have been since World War II.

And so I think you're spot on, Glenn, which we're in the midst of a devastation, but it has come kind of gradually.

You know, we still go out to dinner.

We still get up and get our kids off to school.

It's not like a bomb has gone off, but really it has.

It has.

A bomb has dropped upon us,

and people are either taking their lives or they're checking out emotionally all around us

and we're not aware of it.

And so it's an insidious attack that we're feeling.

It's stealth.

It's quiet.

It would almost be easier if we had

an invader crossing our shores.

It would be much easier.

Yeah, because then we would have to.

Look at the difference between 9-11

and today.

Yeah.

But now we're battling lethargy, we're battling depression, we're battling infidelity, and it's really taking its toll on us.

So, but to answer your question, this is the time that the Holy Spirit loves to flourish.

And the Holy Spirit comes as that invisible presence of God wherever he is invited to bring about healing and wholeness and fresh starts.

And this is really what we need.

And this was the promise of Christ on the night before his crucifixion.

He said, I must leave so that the Holy Spirit can come.

In other words, what you have had in me in the form of a physical body in the presence of a Messiah, I'm going to leave so that everybody from now on, all over the planet, can receive that same presence and power.

You have written

during the pandemic that, and I want to quote this, let this observation be included in the history books.

We did not know how to pray.

What does that mean?

Well, we didn't.

You mentioned that during the pandemic, I took on a job of a daily podcast, and at the end of each podcast, invited people to post their prayer needs.

And we would read over, we being my team, would read over those prayer needs.

They came from Connecticut to Cambodia, from all over the world.

By far and away, the most common statement was, I'm so discouraged, I don't know how to pray, or I'm so weary I can't find the words, or

I can do is sigh.

I think that's important because in the conversation about the Holy Spirit, one of his assignments is he takes our prayers and presents them before the tribunal of heaven.

He takes our groans, our utterings.

The Apostle Paul said, we do not know that for which we should pray.

And we really don't.

I mean, do we pray for healing or for heaven?

Do we pray for deliverance

or do we pray for

even death if you're a prisoner?

You know, we don't know exactly how to weather these storms.

The power of the Holy Spirit is that he takes when Glenn or Max can't even utter the right prayer, the Holy Spirit says,

I take over.

And I take that prayer and I take it and I present it before the presence of God in heaven, which I find so encouraging because that reminds me that the real power of prayer doesn't depend upon the way I pray or even I who pray, but upon the one who hears the prayer.

And that's what brings strength and help to people during tough times.

All right.

So I pray differently than I think a lot of people pray.

I just, I just talk to him, and I can be doing anything, but I'm just talking to him.

And,

you know, it's, it's, it's a very informal

kind of prayer, but I see him as my buddy,

also my sovereign as well.

So different times, different things.

But

when it comes to the spirit,

sometimes the way I know when the spirit is communicating what I have to do, it's clear to me when it is

something I really don't want to do.

You know, hey, no, I don't think that's right.

No, I got it.

I got it.

That little voice of, ah, that's probably not right is the prompt, I think, is the promptings of the spirit.

Yes.

When I'm lazy or I just want it to go my way.

You know what I mean?

So

how does the how does the

how can the average person

get that it doesn't have that feeling yet?

How can they tell the difference between their voice and the spirit's voice?

Because that's hard sometimes.

It is, it is.

And I know

you're the one asking questions, but I'm so fascinated by your fascination with the Holy Spirit.

Why?

I don't know.

I just didn't expect us to be having this candid of a conversation.

And so I'd love to know your history.

I can give you a two-minute answer to your question.

Sure.

But at some point, I'd love to know.

I bet that everybody would love to.

I'd love to give you two minutes.

Okay.

Give me the first two.

Okay.

So here's the key.

Voice and verse are the two words that work for me.

The Holy Spirit speaks through the verse, speaks through scripture.

As a preacher used to tell me as a boy growing up, when you open the Bible, God opens his mouth.

And I think there's truth in that.

For that reason, I do think it's important for every person to spend time with an open Bible and an open heart every day.

I know sometimes it's hard to understand the Bible, but I do believe that the Holy Spirit will help us.

What's amazing is when it's happening,

you know it because you'll understand it in a different way.

You'll read something you've read maybe a thousand times and you'll go,

oh, wait a minute.

Yeah, yeah.

Or that scripture will be deposited in your mind or in your heart.

And as you're going through the day, the Holy Spirit will bring that scripture to mind and say, remember what you read this morning?

I'm with you always, even to the end of the age.

Oh, okay, you were saying that to me.

Yes.

And so the verse, and then also the voice.

I really believe that since you have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you, then you are a holy person on earth.

And

the voice you hear, and I know that phrase, the voices that we hear when we play with it.

Everybody knows it.

But we've got these voices that say, wait a second, be careful, or watch what you're saying, or press forward, or green light.

You get these,

the Holy Spirit

requisitions our thought process and begins to guide us.

Now, the Holy Spirit will never, through an inner voice, say something that will contradict with the verse.

So the verse always outranks the voice.

But there are those times in which the voice and the verse work work together.

And that voice you hear inside you or that verse you've read today, they come together and you say, okay, there's God guiding me.

There's God guiding me.

People are, I think, often unaware of the promise of scripture that God will guide us.

You don't have to go through this life without a GPS.

You'll screw.

I did.

You'll screw your life up six ways to Sunday

until you just go, all right.

Yeah.

All right.

I, you know, I spent my whole life going, I got it.

I got it.

Until you realize I ain't got it.

I ain't got it.

I ain't got it.

Never stronger than that moment.

Yeah.

Can you give us a little context as to your history?

I was,

I was desperate for forgiveness.

And I got baptized and

it's true.

I mean, my whole life changed on that day.

Whole life changed on that day.

And I got married to a wonderful woman.

And

she called me one morning.

And

she said,

I was just in a car accident.

Come get me.

And she hung up the phone.

This is before we had cell phones.

We couldn't afford a cell phone.

So we didn't have cell phones.

And I said, I'll be right there.

Click.

Hung up the phone.

Where?

Where?

Where are you?

And

I'm praying about it.

I got to get there.

I got to get there.

And immediately I knew exactly where she was, but

I was new with the spirit and I knew better.

And so I kept driving that way.

And I'm like, no, it's too far.

It can't be.

And I'd turn around and I'd go back and I'd go another way.

She must be on this street.

She must be on this street.

And the whole time.

Keep going, keep going.

I got onto the highway.

I went through a toll and I drove about, I don't know, a hundred feet and I went, this is too far.

She wouldn't have been this far.

And I turn around.

As it turns out, she was about 200 feet ahead.

And after that experience, I really realized there is no such thing as a coincidence, A, so stop saying it's a coincidence.

And B,

if you listen and don't reject it, that voice will become strong.

It wants to help you.

Amen.

It wants to help you.

That's true.

And it will speak to your life and help you on things that are beyond your understanding.

Also, the little things, too, but the things beyond your understanding.