Ep 147 | 'White Knights' ROB Black People of Their Honor | Delano Squires | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Imagine that.

Before we

start talking to our guest, it was 1858.

It was the Republican State Convention, and Abraham Lincoln

was getting up to speak.

Now, he wasn't even thought about as the next president.

And he looked to Christ for answers.

And he told the delegates at the convention that America was about to collapse.

And he chose the words of Christ, the metaphor about how a house divided against itself can't stand.

Lincoln's Lincoln's friends, his advisors, everybody said, you can't say that.

It's too radical, too politically incorrect, as if they would have said that back then.

But Lincoln said, and if I can quote, I want it to strike home to the minds of men in order to rouse them to the peril of the times, end quote.

So he gave the speech, House Divided, and after he gave that line, he said, I do not expect the Union to be dissolved.

I do not expect the House to fall.

But I do expect that it will cease to be divided.

It will become all of one thing or all the other.

That was two years before the Civil War.

In America,

we need to stop and look at that broken America then because it resembles a lot of the America that we live in today.

Maybe we have it worse.

Maybe we don't.

I don't know.

Can you imagine Joe Biden trying to give that speech?

Just a few days ago, he called himself

the leader of all the country, and yet he called half the country extremists.

Today's guest has taken a stand in defense of the nation.

In his latest editorial for The Blaze, he wrote that abortion is as important to Democrats in blue states today as slavery was to Democrats in southern states prior to the Civil War.

His writing and his commentary has appeared on The Root, The Federalist, Newsweek.

He is a contributor to Blaze TV's Fearless with Jason Whitlock.

He's a scholar at 1776 Unites and the founder of the Civitas Consulting Group, which focuses on building strong communities by offering STEM K-12 programs, job training for adults, adults, and tech resources for lower-income families.

He has led a life that has quite a bit of experience in the government.

14 years, he served as the project coordinator at the office of the chief technology officer.

Then as the director, executive director, at Connect D.C., which connects residents of Washington, D.C., with technology.

But his most important job is the one that he says is the toughest job on earth,

being a dad.

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Welcome.

How are you?

Thank you.

It's great to have you.

Yeah, it's great to be here.

What's your life like?

I mean,

that's a good question.

My life is good.

I live a happy, peaceful, contented life.

This July make 10 years of marriage for me and my wife.

Nothing better.

Three beautiful kids.

We decide to homeschool.

So our house is full of energy and life and noise.

And so it's good.

I can't,

I'm so frustrated by what is taught in schools, what is taught in the culture,

just on

self-esteem.

You know, you can't make it.

You've been wrong.

I don't care who, what color, it doesn't matter.

You've been wrong.

You can't make it.

This is against you.

Everything is horrible.

I don't know how I would go on.

And I wonder if this plays a role with our suicide rates.

What is there to live for,

to strive for, if you need someone else?

I've been thinking about this.

a lot this week and I'm trying to come up with the right words to describe it.

And what it is,

I feel like the people on the left who cast black people into the role of perpetual victim and oppressed,

they're robbing me.

Oh, yeah.

They're robbing me of my agency.

They're robbing me of dignity and self-respect, or they're trying to rob me.

Yeah.

And in the same way, we would recognize it, conservatives recognize it when someone is accused of stolen valor, right?

When they say,

I was, you know, in the navy seals and i and i killed bin laden and it's like well you're a reservist state side thank you for your service but yeah but you you're not what you pretend to be what the left does they commit acts of stolen honor and they tell black people

no it's you're not responsible for yourself for your family or your community we are responsible now they do it under the guise of

diversity, inclusion, equity,

of trying to help and solve racial justice issues, but it robs me of my ability to fend for myself.

It goes

everywhere, and it's,

you know, the first time I saw it really culture-wide was

TARP, the big bailout.

No, no, wait,

you allow me to fail.

If I take failure off the board, I learn nothing.

Correct.

I learn nothing.

And that robs me.

That failure being taken away robs me for who I can be if I have to rise above it.

Yeah, absolutely.

And the only people in society who we accept having no responsibility for their actions are children.

And that's what you end up doing.

You infantilize people when you say that

I, right, the benevolent person who controls all of society, I am more responsible for you and your family and your children than you are for yourself.

And I resent that, quite frankly.

I reject it, and I have no interest in it.

So if I see

a white person or someone of another ethnic background, the only thing that they owe me is love, which is what the scripture says, like to love one another as fellow human beings and image bearers.

But other than that, I'm not interested in white knights.

I would much rather see

more black fathers taking the lead in their homes than to have more white knights trying to to fill that trying to fill that role so yeah it's

i don't i don't want anybody trying to rob me of anything

i'm trying to think in my life if there ever has been a white knight because i i wouldn't be for that i don't want somebody riding up with a horse and saving me correct except for the lord you know what i mean right right he's the only one right which you know is is funny because we have

we think that we don't have enough religion in our society but I think we have too much too much you know this this this entire woke philosophy Black Lives Matter all of it that is a religion and they are high priests and you will perform what they say the ritual is or you're done I recently wrote a piece for the blaze and I said that

Ibram Kendi is not just the most influential voice on race in this country,

he is the most effective evangelist in this country because his worldview has been

implemented in K through 12 education, in

major corporations, through social media, in every level of government.

The notion that any disparity can be traced back to disparity between different ethnic groups can be traced back to the racist policy.

And as such, there need to be affirmative steps taken in the name of anti-racism to erase those disparities.

I mean, that's the status quo in our government and in our cultural institutions.

And he preaches that message regardless of what people believe.

And in fact, he says in his own words that racism is death and anti-racism is life.

And the Christian will recognize that.

Oh, yeah.

Right?

He takes the words of the scriptures that are meant for Christ, right?

So sin is death and life can...

can be found through Jesus Christ, and he appropriates them for his campaign.

And I think one of the things that it actually has done for me is make me a lot more comfortable bringing my faith and public morality into the public square.

I don't think there's,

you cannot have, at least I can't.

I can't have a total encompassing and frank conversation about what's happening in the world without good and evil.

Correct.

There's just no, there's no way to describe shout your abortion.

Right.

You know, there's no forgiveness.

That is, I'm not saying the, but I'm saying that's antichrist teaching.

Right.

And it's, if you, if you can't see it for the first time, I understand

how the two sides, you know, scripture said two sides won't understand each other in those days.

Yeah.

We're there.

And what we've done in the last couple of years is remove the veneer of neutrality.

Even in the abortion debate, Some states are going to go to banning abortion after six weeks or the first time any fetal activity is detected.

And others are going to go to up until the moment of birth.

So the notion of viability or 20 weeks or 24 weeks or some other arbitrary standard is being wiped away before our eyes.

And increasingly, we will see this for more issues.

You're either going to be on this side or that side.

I've been saying this for 15 years.

When this hits, and I think we're in it now, when this hits, there will not be any spectators.

If you say, I'm not going to choose,

you are actually on the field.

Yeah, you've chosen.

Yeah, you've chosen.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think you see this in that, and this is important, I think, for just the everyday citizen to realize, but also for elected officials

or cultural influencers whose instinct is to find a third way because they don't want to be associated with one party or the next.

But again, the parties could not be further apart on an issue like abortion.

Right.

I remember the

wait, hang on just a second.

I don't think Mitch McConnell gives a flying crap.

I really don't.

I really don't.

Maybe he does.

The parties bother me.

Individuals in the party, I think, may or may not care.

Somehow or another, there's such a disconnect from what I think people believe, even on the left.

Come on, nobody believes that you can kill your baby 30 days after life,

or after birth.

Nobody believes that unless you're a mangala.

Right.

Okay.

Nobody believes that it's a clump of cells and I could give birth to a bald eaten.

Okay.

It's not going to happen.

Everybody knows, but

they're in denial.

And

somehow or another, we've got to connect people to

reality and then connect the parties to reality.

And I think the Democrats in the rest of the country, maybe,

don't realize what they're empowering right now.

Do you?

Do you think you're the person you live next to

that might have voted for Joe Biden, do you really think that they've

connected to what's really happening in their name?

No.

And I think part of that is because most people, even if they vote, vote, they are not

partisan in that sense.

They're not fanatics when it comes to politics.

They vote and they're certainly concerned about local issues, but they don't necessarily wear the badge in the same way that the hardened activists do.

And those people are opening the door.

and summoning demons that they're not going to be able to control.

Right.

And I think you see this, and I said this, I've said this in

previous venues where

when you hear the abortion absolutists, that's what I call them, because I liken the moment we're in to a second abolitionist movement.

And I draw direct parallels between the work of Frederick Douglass and the work of Lila Rose with live action.

Amen.

So,

spend some time on that before you move on.

Okay, okay.

Go ahead.

So, so I make that connection because I think both

chattel slavery and abortion,

they dismiss or deny

human beings as image bearers.

Yes.

They make the value of life conditional on the whims of the owner, whoever, so whether that's slavery and slave owner or abortion and the mother of the child, they both employ euphemisms.

to hide the barbarity of each institution.

In slavery, it was the peculiar institution.

And now we have reproductive justice and the woman's right to choose

and all the other terms that they use.

And both have

abolitionists on one side, absolutists on the other side, and accommodationists in the middle.

both in slavery and as it relates to abortion.

And here's the one thing I think that sort of wraps around it in some ways is that

Democrats today in blue states are

as rapidly pro-abortion as Democrats in southern states were pro-slavery prior to the Civil War.

So that's where I draw

those parallels.

But in this

abolitionist movement, again,

you're going to have to choose sides.

And I think the people who want, you know, again, abortion up until birth,

that's a small group of activists.

I think a lot of people are sort of caught in the middle because for them, the abortion debate never moves beyond the term a woman's right to choose.

So I don't think they understand what it is that they are doing.

And I think, as is the case with many issues, they won't understand until the barbarian comes and knocks on their door.

So if you have like a middle-aged woman and she's not having any more kids, she's just, again, thinking, oh, the the woman should have a right to choose.

But when it gets to the point where her grandchildren, let's say, let's say she's raising her grandchildren,

when they are coming home and telling her, hey, Granny, Gigi, Mima, my teacher told me that men can get pregnant.

And they said, my teacher told me that anybody who thinks that there's only two sexes is a bigot.

Now she's going to have to, now she's going to understand.

My vote put these people in power.

And she's going to have to deal with that.

They didn't the last time the world went through this, you know?

The last time

you'll, the Germans did at least.

They started making a series of decisions.

And then when you get to a certain point,

you feel like you can't go back.

You know what I mean?

Because that is going to cause you to change.

Some brave ones did, but...

A lot of them didn't.

They just kept intentionally blinding themselves to it.

So they could forgive themselves, I guess, afterwards.

And I think part of that is human nature, right?

You don't,

once you make an investment, you say, well, I have to keep investing because

I don't want to lose out on what I've invested so far.

But at a certain point, the center is not going to hold and it's clearly not holding now.

And people are going to have to understand

that the culture war terminology does not go far enough.

I see this as a spiritual war, but even to the extent that we're talking culture war, it's not just, oh, both sides say mean things back and forth.

It's, and again, to borrow, to look at Kendi,

Kendi understands that war is about capturing territory.

It's not just about firing off a mean tweet.

So when he has the federal government and the CDC

framing the COVID response as a matter of racial equity and saying that

vaccines should be doled out along those lines, that's an institution that's been captured.

And he has established that

they've all been captured.

When the NBA is painting Black Lives Matter, or when they have on the court, or when they have the jerseys that say Love Us and BLM and Education Equity, these are all institutions that have been captured.

The right is afraid to even say things that they know to be true because

more than anything, they desire the respectability and they desire

legitimacy from the left.

But if we're going to make some headway,

we're going to have to engage in some struggle.

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I've often thought

that,

you know, Americans just want to get along.

I don't want to argue.

I'm so tired of arguing with people over stuff that is like, what?

This should have been settled, you know, a thousand years ago.

But also,

you know, I have felt that the

when I know we're going to win

is when there's a fleet of men like you, men and women.

You know, Martin Luther King, you can look at any photo and you see a fleet of white and a fleet of black all together.

It is going to take black men and women to stand up and say,

don't take that.

Stand up.

Come with us.

It is going to be the black man that saves America.

I think.

Wow.

Do you disagree with that?

No, no, no.

It's not that I disagree.

I think you are right above the target.

And I say that because there's a couple of things going on as it relates to our political culture.

One is the use of race to hide the left's radical agenda.

It's a term I call chocolate-covered Marxism.

And

you see it the way they talk about abortion, right?

Abortion used to be an issue for middle-class white women who wanted to be able to go to college and get a job in journalism.

Now, every time they talk about abortion, it's framed as this is going, the reversal of Roe is going to hurt

black women and women of color and poor women.

Same thing with LGBT advocacy.

When Joe Biden talks about transgenderism, it's, oh, and black trans women of color are more likely to be assaulted on the streets.

And what they're doing is that they use

our history of race

in a way, I call it the Selma syndrome, where they take the real history, right?

Yes.

It's part real history, part Stockholm syndrome.

So they tell black folks.

If you allow conservatives to get back in, they're going to take you back to what Selma was.

They're going to drag you all back in chains.

I think is the exact quote.

Exactly.

And to the extent that black voters allow that to happen and give that legitimacy and credence, we become a lot more tenderized to all different types of agendas and then saying, yes,

black liberation is dependent on us killing one-third of our offspring in the womb.

Yes,

that's how we get freedom.

And you're right.

I think a lot of it is going to be black men

who take, who step to the forefront and say, no,

this is my family.

This is my wife.

These are my children.

And the craziness that you guys are talking about, we're not getting down with that.

And to me,

my God.

And

it's my God.

And to me,

I first knew that this was coming when I saw how quickly BLM, the organization, was rising to prominence.

Because when I first learned about BLM and I looked at the 13 principles, thank you,

Glenn, not a single one said police, mortality, man, husband, father, boy, and even their black villages principle, which you would think would say something along the lines of it takes a village to raise a child, we're here to support mothers and fathers as they raise their children.

No, it said we are committed to disrupting the Western prescribed nuclear family.

That's when I knew that these people were not friendlies.

These were enemies, not just enemies of the cross because of their godlessness and secularism, but enemies of me and my family.

And I take that seriously.

I always felt, I don't know, how old are you?

Just turned 40.

Just turned 40.

So you may be able to answer this.

I've always felt that

the racism that was in my early childhood

was getting so much better, so much better.

And

I think I might be the first generation

that

was taught Martin Luther King was right.

We don't look, we look for content of character.

And then my children were definitely raised that way.

Were we making progress?

I definitely.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, we were.

Because it feels like we were.

And then all of a sudden, they just came in.

These groups,

generally run by a group of very wealthy white people,

just took gasoline and poured it over all of us and set it on fire.

How's that working?

How's that working out?

I mean, it is so easy to see.

To me, one of the

a couple of cases bring it home.

One people will be familiar with, another they won't.

I'll do the familiar one first.

One is Jesse Smollett,

right?

See list actor.

I mean, he's okay.

He was okay on Empire,

if that's your type of show.

But he says, you know, I was assaulted by two guys in Chicago, which was obviously well known for being a MAGA country.

And

immediately, CNN,

they don't just cover it, which I think they should, right?

They should have covered it, but it's, oh,

this is representative of America in 2019.

We haven't really come too far.

And

that narrative went so far, and it just provided more evidence for the people who are prone to thinking that America in 2019 is the same as America in 1819, is the same as America in 1619.

And that to me,

when the demand for racism outstrips the supply, then eventually you have to start inventing stuff.

And I think that's what the Justice Millette situation showed.

And it showed that for the left, the left is more interested in fake hate crimes than real street crimes.

Yes.

Because Justice Millette got the attention of the Chicago Police Department,

of the Obama White House.

He had all of the celebrities, the comedians.

Everybody had his back.

And even at the point where it became clear that he was making the story up, there were still people saying, well, even though it didn't happen to him, this is still representative of America in, you know, the 2020s.

And I think that type of thing is destructive to a country and maintaining its unity.

The less known cases of an eight-year-old girl named Jasmine Barnes.

She was tragically shot in a Walmart parking lot in Houston.

The description first went out that it was a white male in his 40s, right?

So again, if it has a racial element, it's everywhere.

Bernice King, Dr.

King's daughter, made tweets about this is the country we are and this beautiful black girl baby.

Here comes Sean King.

Here comes Gabrielle Union and other celebrities who draw attention to this because they think it's a racial angle.

Then the police caught the shooters.

There's two black men, both charged with capital murder.

None of those people said another word.

And in fact, the white man that Sean King accused of being the shooter, publicly with his over a million followers, ended up tragically killing himself about seven months later.

That is what racial arsonists do to a country.

They have no interest in black lives.

If they did, they would address the things that are most threatening black lives.

I tell you, I mean, I hate to bring him up because I just think he's a loser to be able to make an argument about.

But at the time, before we knew everything else, Bill Cosby was destroyed because he said strong black families.

I mean, it wasn't the sex thing.

They all, everybody, white, black, everybody apparently knew that about Bill Cosby.

But as soon as he crossed the line of saying families and pull your pants up,

he all of a sudden had to be destroyed.

He became persona non grata.

And that was his infamous pound cake speech.

I want to say it was

2004,

50th anniversary of Brown versus Border Ved.

And you're right, that is the moment that Bill Cosby, even within sort of the black mainstream democratic community, went from beloved father to persona non grata.

Because what he did is, in effect, take the burden and responsibility for improving the condition and social outcomes of black Americans.

He took it off of the shoulders of white people and he put it onto the shoulders of black people.

And that is the one thing that you cannot do in those circles, Right.

So I think that's why when he eventually

went to prison for his charges, they all shouted with glee because they hated him from 2004.

This was just a way to get rid of him and move him off.

And if he wouldn't have taken that position, I wonder if he would have ever been charged.

Charged.

And certainly, even if he was charged,

the track record shows that those same people would have had his back and said,

they're trying to take down one of our leaders and he's probably trying to buy a network.

But because he didn't go along with them, they were more than willing to hang him out to dry.

Yeah.

So

when we had the George Floyd riots, I mean, one thing

that is missed is

I don't know a single white person that saw that video and said,

Oh, that's great.

Right.

I'm sure there were, but I don't know a single one.

We were, that was a day of uniting.

Yes.

It was such a uniting day.

Yes.

And then it spun out of control.

And all of a sudden, half the country is being called a racist because they support it when I don't, half the country wasn't supporting it.

We all knew that that was wrong.

Then the riots.

And

I think

at least half the country knew There are good people that are actually marching, but they're not actually with BLM.

They're They're just like, hey, I want to march because my community is in trouble.

But then

the robberies and the burning of the cities, nobody did anything.

Where are we now, just a few years later, two years later?

I mean,

are we the same

people?

Worse, better?

What did we learn?

I hope we're getting better.

I mean, 2020 was obviously with COVID and everything else, but that summer, I think, probably red-pilled a lot of people.

Because even before George Floyd was killed, with the COVID lockdowns, as things were starting to open up, you saw how the media, corporate media, would see people they assumed were Trump voters out at the beach and they would harass them.

Well, you're not wearing a mask.

And one of the guys would say, well, neither is your cameraman.

So get off my back and then george floyd was killed and the entire world changed and the same people who

um you know

fast forward to january 6th would say political violence is wrong

um destroying people's workplace is wrong um subverting democracy is wrong They made excuses as cities burned, as buildings burned, as businesses were destroyed, as people were assaulted.

One of the most iconic images is a woman.

She was dining.

I think she might have been in Washington, D.C.

Yeah.

And the crowd had her pin all the way back, right?

They were shouting in her face.

I think they probably wanted to say Black Lives Matter or something like that.

And I think, I mean, the country was on the brink.

It literally was burning.

I think things have gotten a little bit better since that,

you know, that summer.

We don't see as many statues being torn down, which is good.

But is that because

the power change?

I mean, look at what happened in Canada.

You know, they went after those guys and everybody kind of just kind of went back, you know, and like, oh, let's forget about that.

The power has changed and now we're just starting to see the street activism come up.

And it's not based in truth.

Right.

You know,

it's seemingly just trying to ramp people up for the next election.

Yeah.

So I say this.

I think

we are better off now than we were in the summer of 2020.

I think many of the issues around race and division still exist.

The left obviously will exploit anything,

any perceived racial incident for their own benefit.

I think a couple of things that are signs of progress is that you're starting to see more conservatives.

And I'm thinking particularly, you know, Governor DeSantis in Florida, who are willing to say at some point,

this is enough.

We're not doing this.

So, whether his Stop Woke Act or the stuff with Disney or committing to funding the police or committing to funding fatherhood initiatives, I think those are all positive signs.

But, and this is where I think

we really need to assess where we are as a country.

When President Biden, before he came in, he said he was running to save the soul of a nation.

But any nation who has its soul in the hands of politicians is already on its way to hell.

They're already lost.

They're already lost.

And I think the rise of atheism and secularism

and politics as a religion is one of the things that needs to be corrected as we move forward.

And you know, and I know,

you know, just like in Germany, the churches weren't destroyed by the Nazis.

They were destroyed by infiltration.

Right.

Okay.

By the time Hitler got in, it took them six months before the churches were like, yeah, let's take that picture of Christ off the altar and we'll put Hitler there.

If you look at the American Revolution, the churches were fighting.

the preachers that were making the biggest impact.

They wouldn't let them come into the church.

Usually the church fights against,

you know, whatever the people

are thinking about taking on, like slavery.

Some stand, but I think our churches now are so dead.

Yes.

So dead.

Yes.

I mean, I've seen some, you know, mainline Protestant churches that I think the structures will be better used as, you know, low-income housing or recreation centers for kids because the gospel is not being preached.

The churches have completely bought into whatever the new progressive agenda is.

I saw a church a couple years ago that had one of its members basically host a drag queen story hour.

He was reading a story, a man dressed as a woman in drag on a Sunday morning.

And I think that just goes to show that so many of these churches, again, have died.

They are whitewashed tombs, and there's nothing of God going on in them.

But they draw on on sort of the

moral legitimacy of the Bible

and lend it to politicians who the only time they want to quote scriptures is when it serves their particular political agenda.

So tell me, you write about

we have to have a biblical worldview.

Explain to people who don't know what a biblical worldview is because very few people, it's like, I think it's like 5% of the population now has a biblical worldview.

Yeah.

So when I use the term biblical worldview, for me, what it means is

analyzing any issue,

politics and culture, social customs, public policy, new laws through the lens of the scripture.

And there's certain things in which the scripture speaks to directly, certain things not as directly.

But my ideas about, you know, the nature of humanity, what is a man?

What is a woman?

Come from Genesis, Genesis 127 what is a marriage Genesis 224 right

what

what value do children have is their value inherent or is their value conditional

all of those things as it relates to economics as it relates to education

the the notion that parents and particularly fathers in the book of Ephesians in Ephesians 6 are given the task to raise up their children in the fear and admonition of the Lord those are all issues that are theological issues, but they intersect with our political culture to the extent that these issues are being adjudicated on a day-to-day basis in the public square.

So for me, when I talk about a biblical worldview, it's having my lenses,

which I hope to be corrective at all times.

putting on the lens of the scripture to see the

world.

That's different than people who put on the lens of politics, for instance, to see the scripture.

So they would, again,

even with the transgenderism stuff, they'll say, oh, even a Christian will say, oh, yeah, I see what Genesis 1.27 says, but there are people who identify or they feel in a particular way.

And since God is a God of love, loving a person means affirming whatever it is that they want.

That's not love.

And that's how they get from

one particular scripture about God being love, and they affirm all different types of things that the Bible speaks against.

So

why is that not love?

Well, it's not love because sometimes love is correction.

Sometimes love is discipline.

Anyone who's raised children knows that, I mean, your kids may want to eat,

you know, cookies and candy all day.

Allowing them to do that is not love.

In the same way,

allowing them to mutilate their bodies or pump themselves full of drugs because they feel a certain discomfort with their body is not love.

So when I advocate for a biblical worldview, I'm not of the position that

every American needs to be a born-again believer.

I'm not saying that.

I would love that.

But what I'm saying is,

as a Christian, I believe that the designer gets to be the definer.

And I believe that this world was designed.

There's no way that someone is going to going to, in fact, it takes more faith, quote unquote, to believe that the complexity of the world we see is just happenstance.

So I'm trying to use a biblical worldview to describe the world as it is in the same way if I was trying to describe gravity.

You don't have to believe in gravity.

You can say, okay, I never took physics.

I don't care about gravity.

Just know that when you throw the apple up in the air, it's going to come down and hit you in the head.

And in the same way, if you try to subvert God's design for humanity, for civilizations, for the ways that man and woman interact, for how children are born, you're going to have problems and you're going to constantly be getting hit in the head with apples.

It's amazing to me.

I mean, I think people would all agree.

The best justice system would be automatic.

You do this and you pay the price.

You know what I mean?

Swift.

And certain.

And in some ways, I mean, that's the way God set it up.

That's why Marxism always fails.

It's going against human nature.

God built us to be a certain way.

So when you say, no, man is not like that,

it's going to fail.

and

kill a lot of people usually.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think you see that.

And it's not a punishment.

It just is.

Right.

As I said, it's the same as if you deny gravity.

And that's why I think

if to the extent that people talk about, you know, what should be on the conservative political agenda?

For me, it's simple.

It is the restoration and protection of the natural, moral, and social order.

Nature's laws and nature's God.

Yeah, yeah.

That's what we need because to the extent that we subvert those things, We see all of the consequences.

Glenn, I'm telling you, and I've said this to people before, in 10, 15 years, we're going to have a generation of children who look back at adults today and say, why did you let me do this to myself?

Amen.

Yes, I told you I was uncomfortable in my body.

Yes, I told you I wanted to.

What was wrong with you?

Right.

But you were the adult.

You were supposed to love me by protecting me from myself.

But because

in our culture, love is expressed through complete, total and unquestioning affirmation.

There are adults today

who, at the slightest sign of a child expressing discomfort with their body, assume that that child is a different sex, right?

So and schools are aiding and abetting in that.

And sometimes they're doing it behind a parent's back.

So as a parent, especially like parents who have girls,

you send

your daughter out.

She likes to play basketball and get dirty with the boys.

You send her to school as a tomboy.

The school sends her back as a boy named Tom.

And they're telling you that they're doing it for her benefit.

And to the extent that we've become silent on those things, we are going to have a heavy, heavy price to pay.

I think we're already paying a higher price than any of us thought just for giving trophies out to everybody, you know?

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If you look at a free market, it is,

you know, when I started this,

the Blaze, everybody said that was madness.

And it probably was.

In fact, it was.

But I'm not risk averse.

You know what I mean?

I know if you're going to change things, you have to risk.

This entire culture is teaching people, don't risk.

You don't want to get hurt.

Don't.

It might be a boo-boo.

You might get COVID.

You might get...

Safetyism.

How is this generation,

which which there are no consequences for anything that you do as long as you say the right things

and you get a trophy without even trying, how are they going to even understand a free market?

I mean, that's a good question.

I think that remains to be seen because we're in the middle of this right now, right?

COVID really exposed

the left's sort of

worship at the altar of safetyism.

Now, I expose the hypocrisy as well, because in the same moment a mayor may be saying, or a governor may be saying, you can't send your kids to school, you can't go out to tea to a restaurant, they were doing the very things that they told their citizens that they couldn't do.

But like I think of it, you know, I grew up in New York as a New Yorker, and New York was always a place.

It was rough and tumble, and it was the land of graffiti on the trains and beatboxing and people marching to their own beat.

And I just see the way the city has become, and the people have become so docile.

Where you have, frankly, unimpressive bureaucrats like Bill de Blasio who tell you that he can keep you safe, he can protect you.

And that in order to do that.

He lived in New York.

Nobody can do that.

Right, right.

You better have common sense and your wits about you.

Right.

And now he can't protect you from the things that he's responsible for, right?

So street crime.

But he's saying he can protect you from a virus if only you would give him more power.

Correct.

And

see people, again, in the city I grew up in,

just willingly give it away because of their fear to the point where I think just maybe a week ago, like school kids were still having to wear masks.

While the rest of the country has opened up, the current mayor, Eric Adams, is saying, well, we're New York, we're different.

And, you know, there's two types of people.

It used to be New York is different.

Correct.

We're the tough guy on the rock.

Correct.

Don't mess with New York.

Now that's soft.

And I think that

the long COVID is really a psychological condition, right?

And we're going to see

the softening of the American citizenry, and particularly in blue states and cities.

We're going to see that, the impacts of that for years to come.

Because even now,

where my family lives,

the last time I took the kids to the playground, I'd say at least 75% of the children were wearing masks.

Oh, my gosh.

They're terrified.

We've worn masks in Texas for like two years.

We're fine.

Everybody's over it.

I mean, it's you hear or travel to other states that are red

and you're like, are blue.

Right.

And you're like, what the, what is this?

It's a different

world.

Correct.

Correct.

And it's a fear-based world.

It is.

And I think the politicians...

who have caused that fear and anxiety, quite frankly,

owe their citizens an apology because now you see people like they have, they're anxious to even pull their masks down.

And I think that's we never understood

the people who'd come from China after the bird flu or whatever it was, and were still wearing masks over here.

We're like, what is

what is happening to those people?

We are those people now.

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

We are.

First of all, tell me what the squire agenda is.

So I wrote this column about the Squire's agenda, right?

Because someone online,

I think it happened after the Super Bowl.

I remember that.

I leveled a light critique of the.

I don't think your light critique is what people would define today as a light critique.

Sure, go ahead.

But I talked about the impact of hip-hop culture, the worst elements of hip-hop culture, which I think could be, you know, people like Snoop Dogg would be the archetype of that.

And I said, again, it was the show, the halftime show itself wasn't bad, but it's the impact of,

you know, 30-plus years of violence and degradation and drug abuse sort of pumped into the American mainstream, but particularly like mainline right into the black community.

And I said something about it, and somebody, you know,

said something critical.

And they basically said, well,

people like him who talk like this, they have a different agenda.

And at first, I was going to push back and say, well, I don't have an agenda, but I said, no, I do have an agenda.

And I think one of the things

as someone who's associated, you know, on the right as a conservative, which I never grew up thinking of myself that way.

I grew up in New York.

So you didn't, yeah, you didn't, I didn't think in those terms.

One of the things I think conservatives fail to do is to argue vigorously for the things that they believe.

We argue more about the things

we disagree on,

things that we need to stop.

No.

Correct.

Flip that.

Correct.

So what I did in that piece when I talked about my agenda is to say it's the restoration of the family, right?

Acknowledgement of God as the creator of

this world um

and

an authority higher than government yeah

um that can be i mean i'm in aa just a higher power just something bigger than you you correct correct um part of it dealt directly with the issue you know hip-hop culture and its excesses and i remember saying something to the effect of

you know some of the issues some of the the images that you see in in in hip-hop right the ones that people would acknowledge are degrading

My children may be exposed to those things at some point.

But I said in that piece, but I'll be damned, literally, if I'm the one that feeds it to them.

So for me, part of that agenda is to say

personally, and as a community,

as a black American, as an American, as a Christian,

We have to be clear on what our standards are.

And when those standards are not being met, certain things have to be put out of the household.

Glenn,

as someone I know, is familiar with your Bible.

In the Old Testament, you will see over and over again when God either lays out a law or lays out a punishment, it would say something to the effect of

punish this person swiftly, whatever that punishment was,

to drive evil out of the camp.

Right?

Yeah.

And what I want to say in my agenda is:

these are the things that I'm for, right?

I'm for the family.

I'm for

right relationships between individuals of different ethnic backgrounds.

I'm for,

you know, a healthy love of country.

I'm for a healthy productive culture.

I'm for the expression of public morality.

Off air, we were talking about, you know, I had a book of essays from a lot of, you know, a number of

black leaders around the turn of the century, you know, 19th century.

And one of the things that is immediate to me that I noticed is that even when they weren't talking about religion specifically, whether they were talking about economics, entrepreneurship, you know, the relations between black and white, all of those things had an aspect of public morality.

We are losing that because

all of our

conversations about public policy are framed with respect to materialism.

This person committed a crime because they don't have, you know, enough X, Y, and Z.

It's the resources.

If they just had more resources, then they wouldn't engage in criminal behavior.

And you see that even within the church,

some conservative evangelicals that I follow basically make the same arguments.

And I think,

again, if Kenny's going to be in the public square with his false religion, I should at least be just as vigorous pressing my case for what I believe.

So those are some of the things that encompass the squire's agenda.

When Joe Biden said,

You ain't black if you don't vote for me.

Yeah.

You call that political blackness, right?

So, what is political blackness?

Yeah.

And what is blackness?

That's a great question.

So, you know, a lot of people remember, as you said,

that phrase, you know, if you don't know whether you vote for me, the most racist thing for the other guy, then you ain't black.

What a lot of people don't realize is that after the president said that, and at the time he was still running for the office, Nicole Hannah-Jones, Pulis Prize winner, New York Times, 1619 creator, she tweeted and then deleted, let's not act as if we don't know the difference between racial blackness and political blackness.

Now, I think she was criticized, but her assessment of what is, I think, was accurate.

Because at some point, I don't know when this took place, sometime between 1954 and 2004, there's been a fusion of black racial identity and support of the Democratic Party to the point

in the Great Society.

Yeah.

So it's not just, oh, you know, black folk go 90% for Democrats.

It's the notion that to vote for a Democrat is the black political choice to make.

So political blackness

is the idea

that part of one's sort of expression of your ethnic identity is to support the Democratic Party and its agenda.

And when I talked about chocolate covered Marxism, you see that in the way they frame abortion.

You see that in the way that they frame LGBT issues, even in the way that they frame climate change.

It's the racialization of the entire sort of political conversation.

In the piece, what I did,

because I believe in attribution, right?

I said, I don't want to call it political blackness.

I want to call it Biden blackness and let the people who believe in it own it so that they know who owns them ultimately.

So when I talk about Biden blackness or Biden blacks, it's people who would argue, for instance,

in the same breath, they'll say, white people are the ultimate source of all of our oppression.

They are also the ultimate source of our liberation.

And

if a black conservative comes along and says, hey guys, I think we can do some things for ourselves,

people who adhere to Biden blackness will say, shut up, you white supremacists, right?

So the black man who says, I can be self-sufficient, I have agency, I have some control over my life, as much control as my white brother does,

that person is derided as a white supremacist.

Larry Elder, Winsom Sears, Condoleezza Rice, all of these people have been called white supremacists in the last year.

Biden blackness is also the notion that, as I said before,

black liberation is found through killing our offspring.

Biden blackness is the notion that a school today,

not in 1944, today, that's 90% black is segregated and inferior.

Even if you don't know how the children are performing, it's the notion which Nicole Hannah Jones believes in, that integration is the surest path to improve black educational outcomes.

So Biden blackness is an ideology that's steeped in self-loathing, in confusion,

and an inability to properly assess the barriers to racial progress in today's America.

Can we ever get to a place where, you know, I'm

one of the guys I simultaneously love and despise is Theodore Roosevelt.

Progressive,

I mean, just crazy.

But he wasn't,

he was an early progressive, so it hadn't really gelled yet.

And,

you know, so while he's bad on eugenics, he invited Booker T to have dinner with him at the White House, which was unheard of back then.

And the thing I love about him is

his speech that included

the arena and

hyphenated Americans.

Do we ever get to a point that

Martin Luther King talked about where

I am not black or white?

It doesn't matter.

We are able to see you're either self-reliant or you're a slave to something.

And that can be to a bank.

You know what I mean?

I think we can get there.

I'll say that.

Should we?

I think we should.

I would caution conservatives in this way.

Sometimes, and I found this

over my life, the hardest thing in life to do is to correct.

What's much more common is to over-correct.

So sometimes what conservatives will do, having been bombarded with decades of hearing that they're racist and race this and race that, is to say, well, we should do away with race altogether.

But

again, as a Christian, like God made me.

And nothing that he made am I going to say is not good.

And nothing that he made am I going to say that acknowledging it is not good.

In the same way, no one would come to us and say, well, look,

the gender wars have been going on for long enough.

Let's not acknowledge gender and gender categories, right?

I think the problem with race is not that we acknowledge that you and I have different ethnic backgrounds.

It's when people come in and tell us that we should impart certain value to our different ethnic backgrounds.

That

someone of European ancestry is either at some period of time inherently superior or inherently inferior.

Same thing with someone of African ancestry.

So I think to the extent that we can

deracialize our common humanity.

That is a good thing just for holding together a nation, right?

It's also a good thing for politics.

So for instance, we talked about George Floyd.

Many people have heard of, obviously everybody's heard of George Floyd.

Few people have heard of Tony Tempa, who a few years before was in a similar situation with the police and, right?

In Dallas.

In Dallas, yeah, yeah.

And what happens is the racialization of policing makes it so that

the average American doesn't even know any name of any white person who's been yet.

Explain that story.

And why people really need to know that story.

So, Tony Temple, I think he was a white man in mid-40s.

I think he was having a psychotic or he was having a mental health episode.

And the police came and they restrained him.

And I think they knelt or sat on his back for about 13 minutes.

And eventually he died.

And at one point, you can hear on their body cameras,

they were making jokes that were inappropriate.

It was bad.

It was bad.

The Times covered it.

It did not become a national story.

And actually, it didn't really come out until after George Floyd was killed.

His mother didn't even know what happened to her son for a number of years.

I don't think anyone was charged.

But it was one of these cases in which

you see inappropriate police behavior.

But because Tony Temple was the wrong color victim, his story will never get any attention.

So I think deracializing some of these issues would allow us to say, okay, as a matter of public policy, as good governance, as citizens,

what things do we think the state should are under the state's authority?

And I think for conservatives, and I've said this before in different venues, I want to see conservatives just as concerned about the Fourth Amendment.

when it comes to stop and frisk and violations of civil rights in Baltimore and New York as they are with the Second Amendment.

Because you can't make the argument, well, I'm for stopping frisk because,

you know, it's better for these communities and some, if you stop enough guys, you'll get some off the road.

You can't make exceptions to God-given rights.

Correct.

You can't.

And you can't pick and choose because when it's red flag laws, or if the left ever said every white guy who owns an AR-15 should expect a visit from the ATF, you would howl and say, no, no, we can't do that.

So I think deracializing our political culture ultimately would serve us in the long run.

Who are the black leaders, though, that you can really look to?

That's a good question.

I think a couple come to mind.

One is Bob Woodson.

I love him.

Yeah, over the Woodson Center.

But he is, I mean, you know, he was a civil rights icon in the 60s.

Correct.

Is there somebody, I mean, I think you are.

Is there somebody that

is learning at the feet?

You are actually learning at his feet.

I am.

I'm fortunate to say that.

So, you know, so I like the way you framed it, right?

I'll go old guard and then I'll talk about some of the up-and-coming guys.

Bob Woodson, Professor Glenn Lowry,

who's gone from right to left to right.

Thomas Sowell, obviously, you know, Shelby Steele, John McWhorter, Jason Riley, Ian Rowe, who a lot of people may not be as familiar with,

who ran schools in the South Bronx and who's really fought to

rid the schoolhouse of that type of racial indoctrination, is another person.

On the younger side,

individuals like Camille Foster, who does a lot of work in this space, and just talking about issues in life, not always with such heavy race emphasis.

Coleman Hughes, who's extremely young, he's in his 20s.

To the extent that I'm counted

in that group, I count it

sort of a grace of God.

But there are people out there, obviously,

Jason Whitlock, who's a huge voice.

Are you optimistic for the future?

And I mean, tell me, because I'm optimistic

long term because I know true principles,

reality will restate itself.

I don't know what it's going to take to get there.

Right, right.

You know what I mean?

So, short term, not so much.

Long term, I am.

Where are you?

I'm probably the same

place.

I mean, honestly, though,

95% of that I just attribute to my faith.

Me too.

And I say, ultimately, if I believe the scriptures, then God is in control.

And in the long run,

he's going to win.

Like Like the battle,

the war is already over.

The battles have been won.

We're just in the state of going through the motions to get there.

Could you do me a favor and talk about this?

Because I hear this from Christians, especially in the South,

where some Christians believe in the rapture.

And they're like, hey, you're just going to be taken up.

I don't know if you believe in it or not.

I don't.

I wish I did.

I wish that were true.

And if it is, you know, I'll be the first to go, wow, should have listened to Bob because he's gone.

Right, right.

But so many people believe, well, God's got it.

He knows he's got it.

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

He told us what it's going to look like.

Correct.

So we can do something about it and have hope.

Correct.

But there's a lot of Christians who are like, Yeah, well, God's got it.

God's got it.

And I think that hope and faith is a good thing.

Yeah,

he does have it.

Correct.

But it's one of those things where, you know, faith without works is dead.

And when Jesus left his disciples,

he told them to go and disciple the nations, right?

I think

every time,

particularly, we're talking about Christians here,

speaks God's truth in the public square, whether that's, again, the nature of humanity, the nature of family,

the nature of sin, that

a father is not to be held to account for the sins of his son, and a son not for the sins of his father.

Whenever we speak those truths and we challenge a world,

civil magistrates, when we challenge Caesar and tell Caesar what you're doing is not right, that is part of us carrying out God's call in the public square.

I agree.

But you have to be striving

for God's law.

You can't correct.

You can't just, I mean, I love this, you know, we're going to have a new world.

Well, what?

What?

Tell me.

You know, it's not just we're going to reimagine.

Right.

We're going to re what?

Correct.

Tell me what will work or get better.

What are we striving for?

Yeah.

So, so, so I think to the extent that believers do that, um, they are

carrying out their sacred duty and their sacred call.

I don't believe in the

I'm no more a believer in the sit back on the couch and let everything happen and God's got it sort of, you know,

pessimism.

I think that is just as illogical as if I was, you know, 20 years younger and say, you know what?

I really desire to be married, but I'm not going to leave the house.

I'm just going to play video games.

God's got me.

Amen.

When he's ready, he's going to bring my wife to my door and I'll know.

It's like, no, you have to be out there in a position.

to meet the person that you say that you want.

And in the same way, we have to be out there willing to stand on and speak the truth boldly in love with grace, but without compromise and I think that's what every

certainly every believer's call is for that, but even in this in the spirit of common grace because

the gender binary, you know, was not exclusive to Christians.

Every person in every civilization since the beginning of time has understood what a man and what a woman is.

And I've argued, particularly in an American context, we treat race as fixed and gender as fluid.

And to the extent that we take the thinking of 19th century slave owners, right,

around race, and since this country's history, people of discernible African descent have been called African, Negro, black, colored, Creole, Octoroon, quadroon, people of color.

Those last two.

People of color, right?

Mixed, mixed race,

all of these things, African American.

But a woman in 42 B.C.

was a woman in 1492, was a woman in 1682, was a woman in 1982, and is a woman in 2022.

So the American desire to uphold the definitions of plantation owners and suppress the definitions of God is the ultimate act of white supremacy my mind.

One last question.

If you could have your way,

what would you say is the most important thing for people to do?

Listening to the podcast right now, if everybody would do it, what would you say the most important thing is?

That's a good question.

I would say the most important thing

is to order your life to the extent possible according to God's design.

And I say this understanding that people may have different faith walks and different belief systems.

I can only speak from what I know.

So for me, what that looks like is acknowledging God as creator, right?

Acknowledging Christ as his son and savior.

acknowledging my need for forgiveness and my my need to repent and And not, I said this to my daughter, Dad,

I mean, it's not bad to

confess your privilege.

And I said to her, I confess to God Almighty, not to man, and not in public.

I ask him for forgiveness.

And I do it every day.

Amen.

I'm not going to confess my white.

We have, you know, there's a difference.

Right, right, right.

There's a difference.

So, so, so, so, getting,

getting that build those building blocks in order so but as you again for me for me that's the cornerstone my my spiritual faith but from there it's again looking at god's order and design for humanity it is prioritizing the family so if you're a single man

find your wife marry her and have children.

Same single woman, right?

If you have kids, understand

that their education is your responsibility,

right?

You may

enlist the services of a school to help you with that.

I had this conversation with a teacher that told me, we've got it, Mr.

Beck.

And I said, you work for me.

I don't work for you.

Exactly, exactly.

So it's putting those things in order because

I like to think of society as a body.

We talk about the body politic.

And if you were to cut us open and look inside, you would see some organs missing, some have been atrophied, some are in the wrong place.

And what we need more than anything in our world is to put those things that God has designed back in their natural order.

Will you come back again?

Absolutely.

If you'll have me, you bet.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

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