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Very, we had some, we had a surprise guest today calling out of nowhere, the one, the only Mark Levin, author of the number one book in America for 2021 without any press

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Bill O'Reilly joins us as well.

He's on the program.

Michael Malis is on the program as well.

Ben Weingarten has a new study out comparing January 6th to summer 2020 and the George Floyd riots.

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Glenn is gonna, you'll notice his voice is a little scratchy today.

He does have COVID.

He's recovering at home and doing well.

He is on the show today, but his voice is a little scratchy.

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Here's the podcast.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Mark Levin calling in.

Hello, Mark.

Is this Glenn Beck?

Is this Mark Levin?

Glenn, I just wanted to say, I just felt

compelled to call you and tell you,

you are the number one person in radio when it comes to wardrobes.

I want to tell you something.

This wardrobe meeting today is absolutely a fancy.

Yeah, I'm a sharp dresser, am I?

I love you.

You're obviously.

You're obviously watching the show this morning.

Yeah.

Because I'm wearing a Mark Levin.

I'm especially watching your left part of your breast there.

Hey, hey, hey, my eyes are up here, buddy.

My eyes are up here.

How are you, Mark?

That's where they belong.

I'm good.

How are you, buddy?

You know, frustrated, but

you know that.

You know that very well.

I'm doing great, but the country's gone to hell, so that's a problem.

I know.

I know.

Yeah.

Good to talk to you.

June 6th.

Thank you.

Well, you know, June 6th is very, very important.

January, rather, excuse me.

January 6th is a very, very important day.

It's the day I really celebrate to hate the left, hate them more than I usually do.

And

I thought January 6th we should recognize as the day that murder has gone through the roof thanks to Democrat politics.

I really think we ought to turn January 6th into an anniversary.

And

isn't that sick, the two realities we have, the real one where people live, and then this

phony collaboration with the media and the Democrats,

It's like two damn different worlds, isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

And, you know, the media has gone from fake to

knowingly lying and obstructing.

They really are, and I hated this when Donald Trump said it the first time, but they really have become the enemy of the people.

I mean, this January 6th thing is total nonsense.

Total nonsense.

Well, they've destroyed the free press.

I mean, when you watch this guy, Chuck Todd, with his haircut, like Eddie Munster or whatever they do, they put like a spaghetti string around his head, and then

they take a razor.

I don't know what they do with this guy.

But

the dumbest low IQ guy, and there he is all over NBC.

And then they have

George Stephanopoulos, who is a complete joke.

I mean, everybody knows he used to, you know, attack women, and now there he is at ABC.

And look what's going on.

Hang on just a second.

Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, hang on just a second.

Stu, can you get the producers on the phone and see if we can move

Stuart Scheller to next hour?

Because I mean,

I don't want to cheat Stuart of time, and I also don't want to cut Mark off.

Because

Mark is crankier than I am, and that's saying something today.

I was just calling about his wife Bridge.

And I don't know what's going on now.

I know, I know.

So, did you see Kamala Harris yesterday?

As soon as she came on, I shut it off.

She is

so unlikable.

Just absolutely unlikable.

You know, if somebody has the worst voice in radio, that would be me.

Her voice, I listen to her voice and I can't stand it.

You know, and you know, she's such a phony.

And it's just unbelievable.

To compare this to Pearl Harbor and 9-11 and stuff like that is absolutely unbelievable.

The people who died, the families and so forth, and as you know, and I'm sure you've said it, the only Christian died that day was an expatriate

who

was shot dead.

But the same people who celebrated the riots, the same people who celebrate Black Lives Matter and all, we don't need lessons from them.

This whole thing is kind of a cover-up for Pelosi, who didn't do what she should have done to protect that Capitol building.

And have you ever seen a more repugnant and repulsive person than Liz Traney?

Seriously.

Just grotesque.

The Bushes, the

bottom six, you think.

I know you got a long way to go, brother.

Let me play something here for you.

This is from Biden's speech yesterday.

Yeah, can you play the part where,

you know, just because you lose?

The former president of the United States of America has created and spread a web of lies about the 2020 election.

He's done so because he values power over principle,

because he sees his own interest

as more important than his country's interest, than America's interest,

and because his bruised ego matters more to him than our democracy or our Constitution.

He can't accept he lost.

He can't accept that he lost.

Please play a cut five for me, please.

You're the Democrats.

Yes or no?

Do you still maintain the 2018 election was stolen?

That's your language.

My full language was that it was stolen from the voters of Georgia.

We do not know what they would have done because not every eligible Georgian was permitted to participate fully in the election.

And you know this:

if Catherine Harris, Jeb Bush, Jim Baker, and the Supreme Court hadn't tampered with with the results.

Al Gore would be president.

George Bush would be back in Austin.

I don't see this.

President-elect as a legitimate president.

You do not consider him a legitimate president.

And Al Gore and Joe Lieberman got 547,000 more votes than George Bush did for President of the United States.

Folks, you know it.

I know it.

They know it.

We won that election.

I believe he knows he's an illegitimate president.

He knows.

He knows that there were a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out the way it did.

Let's go back to Florida.

We actually won the last presidential election, folks.

They stole the last presidential election.

I think it's also

critical to understand that as I've been telling candidates who have come to see see me, you can run the best campaign.

You can even become the nominee

and you can have the election stolen from you.

Was President George Bush legitimately elected?

Without voter suppression,

Stacey Abrams would be the governor of Georgia.

Okay, stop.

They cannot handle losing a single time, a single time.

And they're now blaming insurrection on this president questioning the outcome

there's no question about it and you know uh when there are people blew up the capitol building in 1954 jimmy carter ultimately pardoned them and

the weather on the ground blew it up in 1971 clinton ultimately pardoned them and one of the ringleaders was obama's buddy bel airs and

then they attacked the pentagon and blew that up then they blew up the state department then they circled back in 1983 and hit the capitol building again

uh

Really, January 6th is their May one.

It's their May Day.

That's what we're dealing with here, as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, these are liars, these are hypocrites, they do this sort of thing.

The biggest problem we have is the greatest enemy we have in this country is the Democrat Party.

Whether it's slavery or segregation or Jim Crow, or now it's quote-unquote democratic socialism, they never embrace Americanism.

This party has been a poison, a cancer

on the groin of American politics, really.

And you see the reprobates that lead it.

Biden, Biden is a nasty man.

He joined in with the segregationists when he got elected.

Then he tried to destroy Clarence Thomas.

He tried to destroy Bob Borg.

This is a mean, nasty guy.

Kamala Harris is as stupid as she seems, to be perfectly honest about it.

And then you have Nancy Pelosi.

I call her Eva Pelosi because she called those brave federal law enforcement men and women who are trying to protect the federal courthouse in Portland stormtroopers.

Now, of course, she

loves only law enforcement that protects her.

But we could go on and on with this.

They're so corrupt.

The media corrupt.

These people are...

Look at Chuck Todd.

His wife is a Democrat.

He worked for Harkin.

George Stefanoveless with Clinton.

You could go right down the line.

The incestuous relationship between the press and the Democratic Party.

You can't tell the difference between their propaganda ever.

And I'd love to see their texts and emails.

They're so worried about Hannity's.

Can you imagine the texts and emails between people at CNN and MSNBC and Democrats with Capitol Hill?

Unbelievable.

Oh, yeah.

Let me ask you this.

I love that sweatshirt you're wearing.

Yeah.

You think you can get that

at Blaze Merch?

I think you can get that.

What's the address where you can get this?

I don't know.

I get it for free.

What the hell do I know?

Yeah,

I got mine for free, too.

I love it, Mark.

I wear it all the time.

Let me ask you this.

I just did an interview with.

I just did an interview with Donald Trump.

In my mind, there is absolutely no doubt he is running again.

What are your thoughts on him running?

Is it the same kind of outcome?

Who do they have to run against him?

Well,

they're worried about him running again.

That's what this is all about.

Obviously, exactly right.

But they fear him more than anybody else.

The rhinos, the Never Trumpers, fear him more than anybody else.

We have a very good team.

I mean, you've got a lot of people.

You've got DeSantis and others right behind him.

But DeSantis is 43 years old.

You've got others.

But, you know, when you look at his presidency, it was an enormously effective presidency.

You know, you and I backed Ted Cruz early on, and then after the nomination, we supported Donald Trump.

And Donald Trump has been a far more conservative president than either of the Bushes,

than either than the Rhinos would ever want him to be.

And I've come to really like the man personally.

You've met him.

He's very charismatic.

He's a very nice man.

He's a very kind man.

They'll never show you that side of him because they attack, attack, attack.

The thing is, and everybody knows it, look what they did with the FBI, the FISA court, the intelligence agencies, these criminal investigations.

We have never seen anything like this before.

Now the big lie, January 6th, I can tell you they don't want to talk about what happened in the 2020 election.

You're only allowed to talk about what they want you to talk about.

We'll talk about whatever the hell we want to.

And I can tell you.

I have to tell you, Mark.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

No, go ahead.

I'm rambling, I know.

But even putting aside the ballots and the machines, I can tell you in Pennsylvania, they violated the federal constitution.

And my wife was involved in that litigation.

They violated the federal constitution.

We stood for the Constitution of the United States.

These Democrats, their lawyers, were all over the country, particularly in these battleground states, changing the rules through their Democrat-elected judges, through their Democrat governors, overturning what Republican state legislatures were doing, which is a violation of the federal constitution, in order to set the groundwork for Biden.

And we're not even allowed to talk about it.

And so, when these Republican legislatures, 19 of them so far, have said,

we're going to fix this, not to change the outcome of elections, but to get them back back where they can actually be monitored.

Jim Crow and all the rest.

I mean,

tens of millions of people, they are sick of this.

They are fed up with it.

The drama that the press creates and the Democrat Party creates.

These are the same people who have lied to us over and over again about everything.

By the way, I love it.

Mark Levin.

Mark Levin, thanks for calling in, man.

I really appreciate it.

By the way, watch my special.

I think you have a subscription to Blaze TV.

Watch the interview I did with Donald Trump about halfway through.

I asked him about cleaning out all of the agencies and shutting down the Department of Ed.

It's really telling.

You should really listen to that because I think that's what needs to be done.

All these things just need to be cleaned out or shut down.

Mark, last thing.

Congratulations on the number one book of the year.

I don't know of a conservative that has ever done that.

I couldn't be happier for you.

Tremendous book.

And thank you, thank you.

And you were a big help, and it is a great honor.

And I want to thank you for all you do with this country, too, man.

Really, you're just terrific.

So, you have a good day.

Same with Stu.

All right.

You too.

God bless you.

God bless you.

Thanks.

Mark Levin.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Mr.

Bill O'Reilly is with us now.

Hello, Bill.

How is your holiday, sir?

Oh, you're talking to me?

You're talking to me, Bill?

Unless I have another Bill O'Reilly.

I don't know.

You got 55,000 people on the show.

I got a sweatshirt.

I got a sweatshirt.

Okay?

Do you?

If I send it, will you wear it?

Okay, I know I'm going to have to send it to extra, extra, extra large, but I'll get it.

I'll get it.

That's obviously a fat joke.

Here I am, possibly on my

deathbed, possibly on my deathbed with a bout of COVID.

And I'm still in here slugging away for America.

And you come with a fat joke.

You know,

deeply.

I feel your pain, even though I don't have COVID because I don't go out of the basement.

I live in the basement.

And I'm not going out.

I'm not going out for another two years.

But I feel your pain back.

So I hope you get better.

I will tell you this.

Look, I had COVID before there was a vaccine, so I've been on the natural antibodies.

And I just had an antibody test a couple of weeks ago, and I have it now.

Again, this is the second time, but

honestly,

it's really not that big of a deal.

It wiped me out the first time for about three weeks.

I've had it since Wednesday, and I'm already on the rebound.

And I

can't get any kind of therapeutics because we either don't have any or they can't come to Texas or my doctors are too afraid because

the

medical association is

manhandling all of our doctors.

But I'm making it, Bill.

I'm making it.

I'm glad to hear that, Deb.

But I'm sorry that your antibodies betrayed you.

But I only have one question.

I think your listeners have this question, too.

Do you like hang out with COVID-infected people?

Do you like go to a club and we all have COVID?

Is that

twice?

Twice?

Are you kidding me?

I had it before there was a vaccine.

It's not.

I had it before there was a vaccine.

And so I got it early.

Can I make a suggestion?

After you're better, which will be soon, I think you should walk around carrying a little bell like they used to do with leprosy.

Wherever you are, just ring the bell so people know: oh, there he comes.

Here's Typhoid Beck.

Bill, I just did an interview with Donald Trump.

It aired yesterday.

He was exceptional.

He wasn't wallowing in the past, wasn't really talking about the past.

I got in all kinds of heat for it because I didn't ask him a January 6th question.

You know, I asked him things that I think the average person care about: gas prices, inflation,

communists in every department.

Anyway, but

I was really impressed, and I was left without a shadow of a doubt that he intends on running.

Oh, and now with the cack yesterday by Biden, it's really personal now.

See,

if you do that to Donald Trump, if you go out of your way to try to humiliate him and marginalize him, which is exactly what Biden did for his whole speech yesterday, and people should really understand what that was about.

It wasn't about bringing the nation together and saying, hey,

all sane people realize we cannot have this ever again.

Everybody should condemn it.

No.

It was, he did it.

Look at him.

He did it.

So what good does that do?

We all know that Biden and the Democratic Party believe that Donald Trump instigated and encouraged the riot on January 6th.

Everyone knows that.

So to do a national worldwide address and just repeat that again with no advancement of,

hey, you know, maybe this is a good lesson that we can't beat Kazakhstan because that's what they're doing this week,

and that we have to solve our problems in a better way.

No, none of that.

It was take Trump off the board for 2024.

That's what it was about.

There is also another attack that is mounting now.

Somebody that was Melania's PR person.

I know.

Tell me about this.

This attack is amazing.

Yeah.

When this woman was hired, I never met her.

I don't know her.

But

I went, whoo,

you know,

why are you doing this?

Now, Melania,

I know this to be true

very close friends with this woman very very tight and she wanted this Grisham in the White House to be her spokesperson and then for a little while at the end she went over to Trump to be in that communications office

but the I think that whether she what she says I don't know I mean I'm not reading her book it's a hatchet book it's like Mary Trump they want to make money, bashing Trump.

Wow.

Okay.

So I don't really care what she says.

But the sense of betrayal here, when you're that tight with somebody as she was with Melania Trump, when you're invited to work for the White House, which is an honor, no matter who's in there, and then you turn around and you try to destroy them,

oh, boy.

You know, people should really start to walk away from this kind of stuff.

You know, and what people don't understand is Jonathan Haidt did a great book.

Stu, what was the name of this book?

Came out about five years ago.

The Righteous Mind.

The Righteous Mind.

And he laid out

the things that we have in common but are shifted.

And

we all have loyalty in common.

We appreciate loyalty.

But it is at the bottom of the list for Democrats.

And at the top, it's the number one trait

that people look towards who are conservative.

That you say what you mean, and you mean what you say, and you stand.

You're not a fair weather friend.

You have a little dignity.

You know, Beck,

I got to make an observation here.

Your

analysis and bringing that to the attention of your listeners is very important.

So, maybe you should always have COVID.

You see, you're more cogent now, shut up, more lucid now.

So who are the

who are the

what is the candidate that could because there's a lot of Republicans that I've talked to that say if he runs, it's going to be the same thing and they're going to do the same thing and everybody's going to be

right.

And everybody's going to be so tired of it, they're going to want another choice and they just might go with the Democrat.

And I cannot come up with a Democrat that could stay in the house.

No, there's no way

they'll stay home.

So the people who are fed up with Biden and Trump, and there are millions of them, will just stay home.

But independents will, I think, if things continue along this line with the Biden administration failing on every level, and if they aren't failing on every level, please tell me what level they're succeeding on.

Correct.

I just

minded.

I'd like to hear where the success is.

But if we continue along these lines, it's going to be, okay,

who is going to do the least amount of damage?

I mean, that's what it's going to be.

You're always going to have Donald Trump's flamboyance, to use a kind word.

It's never going to go away.

And that's a decision I made.

And so this is personal for me.

So I said to myself, do I want to go out on a history tour?

with a controversial guy like Donald Trump where I know I'm going to get attacked, and I did.

I mean, you know, but I can handle it.

Or do I just want to pass and just continue to do?

I didn't need to do that tour,

but I decided to do it because I think, based upon the facts, that Trump did a good job in the four years representing the United States.

He did.

That's what my belief.

Now, do I like the way he handled himself?

Sometimes, no.

And I've told him that.

And I told him that's a good tour.

the new poll shows independence, Biden has hit an all-time low of

24% approval rating.

Wow.

That's unheard of.

So

who is going to run against Donald Trump?

Well, everyone looks like...

Primary him, you know, maybe Liz Cheney will run.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I mean, on the Democratic side.

That's not that.

Look, she's not going to win in Wyoming.

She's not going to be a congressperson anymore.

So she could absolutely primary Trump.

Big name.

She can raise money.

So that's not that crazy out.

But if the Republicans believe that Trump is not going to win, primary him.

So my question is, because I think he gets the nomination, my question is, who do the Democrats run against him?

Because they're not going to run Biden.

I don't think so either, but they don't have anybody to run, so then you're going to fall back on Hillary Clinton, who's already raising money.

Amen.

I just said this last week.

Hillary Clinton is going to run again.

That's who he'll run against.

And she's already setting it up because she knows what a fiasco the Biden administration is.

Look, even if you loathe Hillary Clinton and Bill,

they have a machine.

Okay?

They know how

to govern in a sense that it's not a disorganized mess.

It's not a Kamala Harris coming out and excoriating the Capitol protesters while she wanted to raise bail money for the people who were burning down cities.

I mean, that's just insane.

If you were writing her speech, would you really want to do that?

Would you really want to bring attention to that?

No, you could have avoided that and said, this is a bad thing.

Let's get the problem solved so we don't have to do this again.

That was a speech he should have gave.

But they have no awareness at all.

But the Clintons do.

And so it could be a setup between Trump and Hillary again.

That would be amazing.

Bill O'Reilly,

what do you think the big story of the week is?

Was it January 6th?

Yeah, I mean,

I think that's the big story of the week, but it's going to die.

And, you know, they'll do all the Sunday shows.

You know what they'll do, reprising how terrible Trump is.

But if you really want to step back, the biggest story of the week was one million Americans contracting COVID or reporting it on Monday.

I mean, that is just an amazing number.

I think this is actually really good, Bill, because

I understand.

I mean, if it's South African the African model, if the South African model holds that you'll have another few weeks of this and then it'll fall off the cliff, and then so many people will have the antibodies, which of course turned on you,

that'll

die out.

And maybe some planes will get back in the air.

Because COVID-19 consequences is amazing.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

But it's not really COVID consequences.

I think it is more of the government consequences.

We could get back to America

in probably a few weeks here if they would stop

helping people stay home by giving them more money than they can make out in the private sector.

I agree 100% on that, and I know you and I have disagreed in the past.

But

if you step back on this, the best thing for the government government to do now, because they can't answer any questions, I mean, they can't even answer a question like, how long does a vaccine last?

They can't even answer it.

So they don't have any information for us.

So just shut up.

You know, I told Stu a few uh weeks ago to do that, but now I'm going to take that back.

Stu can talk, but the Federal Government can't because they don't know anything about COVID.

You know, Anthony Fauci,

we should do the pinata thing with him.

He has to run through a long line and we just whack them with you know i don't want them hurt but with paper or something because this is just a farce now it's crazy now

uh and the fact that you know i i have

i you know there's really

uh no treatments that the government is recommending or pushing or not tearing down.

That's the key.

They're tearing down everything that is a treatment.

Well,

millions of Americans are getting it.

So what do we do besides isolate at home everything that is a possible treatment that I personally know people who have done other treatments once they've gotten it and it's helped them, the government is standing in the way of.

I mean,

it's so clear what this government is doing.

But it's almost over.

I think it's almost over.

I have to sit one out because I don't know.

I'm not a medical person.

The FDA is supposed to,

you know, say this stuff is safe.

I don't know.

What I do, my advice to everybody is get a doctor you trust, follow the doctor's advice, don't listen to the government.

I mean, you know, I'd have to give that advice to doctors now.

I'd have to give that advice to doctors now because doctors, a lot of doctors are not able to do the things that they truly believe in and have seen work.

But

does your doctor have a solution to you?

I mean, do they recommend therapeutics for you?

Yeah, absolutely.

My doctor got me through the first case.

I think it would have been even worse than it was.

He got me through the first case.

But now, any of the other therapeutics, he is, he's like,

if I write it, he said, I've already been threatened.

I think it's because he's my doctor.

He said, I've already been threatened that, you know, don't go off the beaten path.

It's awful.

It is awful.

And there are a lot of doctors that feel that way.

All right, Bill O'Reilly.

Thank you so much for being on.

I'm sorry to cut you loose early this week, but we had a shift in the schedule because of a call with Mark Levin.

But thanks a lot.

We'll talk to you again next week.

Bill O'Reilly, make sure you follow him on billo'reilly.com.

It's no spin zone on every day.

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This is is the best of the Glenbeck program.

Michael Malice joining us.

Before I get there, I just want to say,

because last night, the painting that I did of Joe Lewis being knocked out by Max

Schmelling called,

that I call it, the birth of a champion, was trending.

last night because it was on during an interview with

Donald Trump and they're calling it Nazi propaganda.

Couldn't be further from the truth.

I've said that I'm not going to sell this.

There is one person I would sell this to.

I would sell it to Joe Rogan because he would appreciate the

message in this.

If Joe wants to buy it, great.

Otherwise, I'm keeping the original.

But I am going to, today, I'm asking somebody to come over

with a mask and gloves and get it and copy it because I am going to sell prints of this

because

it's that controversial Nazi painting by Glenn Beck, which has nothing to do with that, has everything to do with learn your lesson, stand back up, and knock that guy out.

All right, Michael Malice is with us.

Hi, Michael.

Good morning.

How are you, sir?

I'm much better than you.

My condolences on your illness and whatever you think, I promise you, it's not karma.

It might be.

It might be.

You know, I had it before there was a vaccine, so I've been riding on the antibodies.

And I just got it, what, Wednesday?

I just, it hit me like a bag of bricks.

But now, with an exception of just some lingering mouth problems with my voice, I'm pretty much past it.

I mean, the first time I had it, it knocked me out for about three weeks.

This is just like a really, really bad cold this time.

Yeah, two months.

So I guess that's good news.

I got a lot of it over the weekend.

And

it's a scary word.

I was feeling a little bit underweather last week.

And I'm like, is this it?

Is this, you know, is this showtime?

And it was just kind of allergies, whatever, but it's scary.

And I hope everyone listening, you know, stays healthy and happy, of course.

Michael, I don't know if you heard this,

Glenn talking about the backstory of this painting that he did of Joe Lewis and Max Schmelling, and this reaction from Chris Hayes of MSNBC, and, you know, to be fair, tons of other people on the left.

They see this painting in the background of one of his interviews.

They say, oh my gosh, he's got Nazi propaganda up there because this is when Max Schmelling had beaten Joe Lewis.

And any simple Googling gets you to the explanation as to what this painting is, that Glenn's praising, you know, like you have a failure and that turns your life around.

And that's the important moment when you fail that leads to success in the future.

And, you know, you've talked about the media really well over the years, and you, I think, understand this better than so many others.

What is the motivation here?

Like, why would you embarrass yourself and not even look for the facts here?

Why just attack your opponents

without any knowledge, whether you're right, literally with

a Google search?

I'm going to give you two answers.

First, I'm going to play devil's advocate because I think you guys remember it was like a year ago when former Senate candidate Harold Ford was staring at an Airbnb, and behind him on the wall was Andy Warhol's paging of Chairman Mao.

And Warhol meant it as a finger to Mao, as an example of how Mao had become a quote-unquote celebrity in the same way that Warhol has painted Elizabeth Taylor and Mal Monroe.

And all the conservatives were freaking out that this was communist propaganda, even though it wasn't his house, and even though it would have been simple googling.

So that's number one.

So this goes, people misunderstand art very easily.

The whole point of art is that it's open to interpretation.

And the other problem is people who are corporate journalists are often not very bright.

So they are going to have that knee-jerk reaction.

But as you guys have seen, as everyone listening to this knows,

the demand for Nazis outweighs the supply.

There is such desperation

on the part of

corporate media outlets to find Nazis that they're looking for them everywhere to the point where people are often painting

fascist slogans to demonstrate that there's fascism and they're later caught and they're often

minorities.

People are minorities.

you're saying this is nazi inflation too many nazi hunters chasing too few nazis i mean we we laugh but i mean it it would be a very serious problem and there it's not to pretend that there are no you know quasi-fascists in american culture and certainly in europe nowadays but the the premise that glenn beck would be dumb enough to sit in front of a Nazi painting while he's interviewing a president and have that be some kind of subtle dog whistle that no one's going to pick up.

That is what's amazing.

They have a complete lack of ability to empathize with other perspectives, and they're just waiting in every moment for the mask to drop, so to speak, which is kind of a bit of projection.

And you saw this also with

the Trump's

Charlottesville speech, where when he condemned white nationalists in the same breath when he said both sides, the clip is there.

It's indisputable.

But President Biden brings it up to this day.

So what is your take on?

I think that's the biggest story of the week.

You're cutting out a little bit there, Michael.

But he said, what's your take on January 6th that that didn't come through?

Oh, yeah.

So

I mean, it's very tragic.

AOC had to talk to a cop for five minutes, and she was traumatized for months.

Rashida Taleb, remember, was crying on the floor of the house.

AOC had to comfort her.

There were some bottles of water knocked knocked over.

Someone had to speed up on Pelosi's death.

Here's my takeaway, and I'm going to get a little bit serious for a minute.

Where has President Trump been?

He defended the people.

When he was giving that Charlottesville speech, the people, when he said there's good people on both sides, he was referring to the controversy about removing statues.

That's what he was defending.

The people who were saying we shouldn't remove statues.

The people on January 6th were his people.

They were all his people.

These were his hardcore supporters.

Now they're being held in detention in horrible conditions for who knows how long.

They are his hardcore supporters, and he shrugs his shoulders.

And I think this is the big problem that conservatives have to appreciate when it comes to Donald Trump.

We had four years of President Trump being attacked for the most demented things imaginable, including how many scoops of ice cream he had, that he fed the fish wrong when he was in Japan, even though he's following the prime minister's lead.

Queen Elizabeth gestured for him to walk in front of her, which he did.

Then she couldn't get around him because he's a lot bigger.

They cropped the first part where she gestured, so it looks like he just stood in front of her like a buffoon.

So we had four years of that.

So understandably, conservatives got protective and defensive of President Trump.

He's not in office now.

It's been a year.

And I would encourage conservatives to take a step back and realize not every criticism of President Trump has been inaccurate because the man has shown a severe lack of loyalty towards people who have been loyal to him.

And I'm thinking specifically of Michael Flynn, and I'm thinking specially of Jeff Session, who was probably the strongest anti-illegal immigrant person in the Senate, became Attorney General.

Because of him, Trump got him primarily, and he blew a Senate seat in Alabama.

How does that happen?

So if people are looking forward to 2024, keep in mind, this guy's loyalty is a one-way street, and that's a big problem because conservatives tend to be very, very loyal people.

I agree with that.

We were just talking about how loyalty is number one.

I know you know the Jonathan Haidt book, but loyalty is number one on the scale.

And it's interesting because I do think that that is the number one thing with Donald Trump, is loyalty.

And in talking to him, you know, I just sat down with him about a month ago, and then I had dinner with him and his wife.

And

I came away with the impression, and this is is just from, you know, the off-the-record, just dinner conversation, I came away from that meeting feeling as though the, truly, the main reason he would run again is because he doesn't want to let the people down that he trusted and said, I will do this, and then was doing it, and then...

and then lost and he knows he can fix it and he's expressed it in several different ways, but it was the same thing.

I'm not going to leave those people without anyone who will fight for them.

Let's bring some receipts.

When President Trump got into office,

the federal budget was $4 trillion under Obama.

Two years later, before COVID, it was $4.4 trillion, an increase of 10%

under his watch.

He's promised when he campaigned, and this was a very legitimate promise for me, given his background, that he knew the best people and he was going to staff his cabinet with the best people.

And we thought he was going to bring in all these outsiders, people you'd never expect to see in politics.

And the next thing you know, it's Renz Priebus and the chairman of Exxon is the Secretary of State.

His staffing decisions, I think everyone has to acknowledge, were horrible.

He's driving out people who have minds like Steve Bannon, and he's bringing in the swamp creatures.

All right, so let me let me just push back on that and because I'd like to hear your opinion on it.

In the interview I did, I said, you got a clean house.

And

he talked about the,

you know, he had two jobs, to fix the country and to survive.

And he said,

I can't go in there with the same GOP.

I can't go in there with the same group of people.

I have to have people around me that are on the same page because pretty much I got to fire everybody in every department.

And I think he gets that.

I've talked to people who are inside the administration before and they said the one mistake that they made was they underestimated the power of all of these long-term bureaucrats and the Republican Party, that they would be so against him.

And

he's not going to repeat that.

Now, I don't know who he staffs it with and who he gets to have the balls to run some of these things to fire or shut down these departments.

But that's what it's going to take, one way or another.

Love to hear your response.

So, if you don't know who Michael Malis is,

he is the guy who's written the anarchist handbook.

He is an anarchist, but not the Antifa throw bombs through windows kind of anarchist.

Am I right on that, Michael?

Please verify that.

Not through windows, but you know.

He believes that if there were no government,

we'd all be better off.

I disagree with that, but I lean towards,

in fact, I don't lean towards, I'd like to shut down all of the Department of fill-in-the-blank.

I'd like them all to be gone.

They have no place

in our government, in my opinion.

So Michael is coming from a different place, but I like that because he makes me think things through and pushes me up against the wall.

So

I question the things that I think I believe.

I think that's really important.

So Michael, your response on what I just said here about a minute ago.

Right.

So you were talking about how President Trump said to you that he understands he has to fire a lot of these staffers and bring in good people.

My pushback would be like, does he understand this or does he understand understand what he needs to say to you in order to maintain your support in the next cycle?

And here's the evidence to the contrary.

There's something called revealed preferences, right?

If you tell your spouse, I love you, I love you, I love you, but you're never home and you're cheating on them, talk is cheap, your actions are telling.

Trump is launching a social media company.

Who did he hire to run the social media company?

Devin Nunes.

Devin Noonan's entire background is being, one, a dairy farmer and then a congressman.

What does he know about running a social media company?

All he knows is he has a Rolodex in Washington.

He's a creature of the swamp.

Now, he might be a great conservative.

I'm sure he's a very ethical, great person, so on and so forth.

But to say that he's some kind of outsider is nonsensical.

So Trump had the opportunity to, and the other thing is, and this is not his fault, he's been rendered so radioactive.

Why would I, if I was working in Wall Street, San Francisco, LA, New York, why would I want working on the Trump administration and my resume?

It would ruin my career.

And again, this is not Trump's fault at all, but that has been an issue for him in the past.

And going forward, it's going to be even more of an issue.

Yeah, I do agree with that.

It is going to be hard to get people.

And that is, you know, we have to have people who understand

where we are in our society.

It is,

look, it's almost lights out time.

And,

you know, maybe we deserve it because we have taken this for granted for so long.

And we've been running on other generations' vapors for so long.

And we've become this monstrosity that is all run in Washington.

So

maybe we deserve it, but I think the original premise is worth saving.

I don't know where he gets those people.

I mean, you know, you look at Denevin Nunes, you see him as an insider.

I see him as an insider outsider.

You know what I mean?

He's a guy who's been there who doesn't like the way it's running and has been standing up for it.

It's a little like Rand Paul.

Yes, he's in,

but he's working hard from within to try to

shut it down.

Are those people important or are they the same?

They're very important.

I'm not questioning that at all, but my point to you is, what evidence do you have that Devin Nunes knows anything about social media?

Now,

it runs.

So it's clear that Trump got him as he hires most of these people because of a sense of loyalty to him.

Now that's very important because he's been betrayed left and right.

But my point is,

because of all the forces against him, conservatives have to appreciate he got beaten by a corpse in the 2020 election.

And these same forces are now even more powerful because they have the White House.

And you can't tell me that he shouldn't have seen it coming, all the machinations that the Democrats did in various states to finagle the vote to make sure they got the result they wanted.

There was that Time magazine article bragging about these coalitions that were behind the scenes.

Molly Hemingway did a great book called Rigg discussing it.

It's nothing to do with voting machines, it had to do with a year-long

series of attempts, including things like Mark Zuckerberg, to get the results.

I agree with you.

Michael Malice, thanks for stopping in.

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