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We have Biden laughing about the question, where do we know the origin of COVID?

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Also, Donald Trump has decided to sing a little Merry Christmas song to Sleepy Joe.

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I don't know where.

But it has to stop.

Really, Nancy?

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Stu and I were talking yesterday.

He's really in the Christmas mood.

I am not in the Christmas mood.

I just don't have any confidence

that

our holiday vacation is going to go well.

I just don't have any confidence in it.

Your personal vacation?

Yes.

Which includes Christmas with the kids and everything else.

We have had just such a bad year of something.

It's like, well, for instance, you know, we've had problems with Tanya's father being sick now.

So we've been up to visit him probably the last time you're going to see Grandpa.

You know, one of those things.

Oh, wow.

Like three times this year.

The guy's got more lives than a cat.

I told him last time I saw him, you're never going to die.

You're never going to die.

But now mom and dad both have COVID.

Everybody's been vaccinated and everything else, and

he has COVID.

Then she got COVID or vice versa.

Then she fell down, had to go to the hospital.

This is in this last week.

Then, so he was at home trying to take care of everything.

And then he fell down, broke four ribs with COVID in the hospital.

They can't be in the same hospital room, even though their husband and wives, they live together, but it's a COVID thing.

You can't be in the same hospital.

Even though they both have it.

Uh-huh.

That's a fascinating medical discovery.

Whatever they've discovered to make that happen.

I know, I know.

So it's just, I don't know.

So I thought I'd do something today that maybe would put me in the Christmas mood.

Okay.

Okay.

So you get to open some presents, but you don't get to keep any of them.

Maybe I could keep one of them.

No, you can't keep any of them.

I just think these are so cool.

And the audience, if you're watching the Blaze,

it's cool to watch,

but also to describe them.

So I've got, what, five boxes there.

You can start at the top

and open them up.

These are all things from the museum that we just got in.

They must be expensive because you're making me wear gloves.

you yes they are and they're you can see that one has a red label that says high value okay

all right so you open that up

wow

wow so explain what that is okay so this is uh

what is it a clapper what you call it yeah it's a clapboard yeah clapboard not the clap clapper turns the lights on and off right clapboards are what they do in movies where they like you know action you know that type of thing click and they they clap the board and that's why you sync sound and

a video.

And it says Universal City Studios, production Jaws,

director S.

Spiels, Spielberg.

Wow.

And it says at the top, it says A camera.

What does that mean?

A camera.

That means there's an A unit and a B unit.

And the B camera is for all of the pickup scenes.

A camera is for everything that Spielberg was standing there the whole time going, all right, wait, let's do it again.

It's all the important scenes.

And I'll say this, this looks, can I open it up?

Yeah, but it has a kind of a latch on it.

Do you see in the back?

No.

Oh, yeah, there it is.

Yeah, it goes up and down.

It's got teeth.

Yeah.

It looks like it has teeth.

It was specially made for jaws.

Tons of pictures of that with Steven Spielberg.

Isn't that cool?

Yeah, and handwritten stuff all in the back.

Yeah, those are, yeah, those are for the different scenes.

Really cool.

Yeah, really cool.

So this one I get to keep?

Nope, you don't get to keep that one.

You know, the museum is collecting.

We have collect, we have now more

founding documents than anyone in the world

except for the National Archives and the Library of Congress.

It's remarkable, the collection.

Yeah, you can put it over there.

I will.

But we're also now, this is a collection of making sure we preserve American culture, things that were really important in American culture.

How much does this thing run you?

How much?

How much does that set you back?

That?

Lots.

I'll give you 100.

Nope, I'm not going to sell for that.

No.

These three things I bought for the museum with the art,

my art proceeds.

So, all right, Christmas present number two.

Christmas present number two.

This is really cool.

Okay.

It's a Stetson box.

It is.

Yeah.

And in it,

you can take it out and you can put it on your head.

Don't read it yet.

Don't read it yet.

You can put it on your head.

I don't know how to put it.

Oh, you don't know how to put a Stetson on.

Where is this?

The little cross tab in the back.

Yeah, not the X's that goes to the front.

The little thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's it.

Like that.

Yeah.

Your head is enormous because that's a big hat.

My head is enormous.

Yeah.

There's lots of brains to fit in it.

That's what I'm doing.

Yeah.

And it actually looks okay on you.

It feels very awkward.

Yeah, well, because you're not used to a convoy hat.

No, I don't know if I've ever put one on in my life.

So now take it off

and read the inside.

It's made by Stetson.

It says

Nudie's Rodeo

Taylor.

And it says Stetson.

And it says made by Stetson.

Especially for John Watt.

John Wayne.

That's John Wayne's cowboy hat.

Wow.

Not sure if it ever appeared in any movies, but it was his personal hat.

And it was

given in a poker game.

He was at a poker game.

He was getting ready to leave, and one of the guys at the table said, Wayne, you haven't paid me for the last time you lost.

And he took off his hat and he said, well, this will probably pay for it.

And he threw it down on the table.

And the guy kept it until he died.

No way.

Yeah, really cool.

Wow.

Really cool.

So, you know, I get to keep.

This one then?

Nope.

You don't get to keep that one.

Nope.

I'll give you 200 bucks for that one.

Nope.

Right now.

Right now.

Nope.

You're going to love the last two.

You're going to love the last two.

Okay.

So here we go.

Number three.

Okay, so number three.

You try to be very careful here.

Uh-huh.

Oh, my.

Yeah.

Jeez.

So that is the gun belt of Jesse James.

So if you remember, Jesse James, this is the gun belt that he had on the day he died.

So he had two gun belts.

This is one of them.

If you remember, Jesse James was killed by the coward Robert Ford.

And Jesse James was kind of a hero robber.

You know what I mean?

People liked him.

And

Robert Ford was kind of a clinger on, and he really wanted to be famous.

He made a huge mistake.

He killed somebody and then buried them in a shallow grave.

And the police found out about it and

arrested him.

And he said, wait, wait, I know where Jesse James is.

And the governor said, if you kill Jesse James,

I'll pardon you for the killing of Jesse James and the guy you just buried.

And I'll give you the reward.

So he went and he was plotting.

Jesse James didn't trust him.

Jesse and his brother were there and they were going to rob a bank.

And Robert Robert Ford said, I'll help.

He went, he had breakfast with the two of them at Jesse James' house.

Jesse was sitting there in the parlor, in the living room, and they were talking and he noticed that his mom's needle point that was over the fireplace was crooked.

So he got on a chair, was straightening it out, and Robert Ford shot him.

right behind the ear, shot him in the back,

in the head, actually, but it had his back turned.

And he became the coward Robert Ford

and eventually was shot in the back as well by somebody that really wanted him dead.

And it had no connection to Jesse James, just hated the fact that this guy started to go on stage and make himself into a big hero.

People turned on him quickly.

He had no friends after that.

Yeah, it says here, it's a cartridge belt used by Jesse James, one of the two he had when killed.

Yeah.

Wow.

Isn't that amazing?

Isn't that amazing?

You have cool toys.

Yeah, they are cool toys.

Unfortunately,

they're all in the museum.

By the way, we want to do another museum and open the museum up this summer for a major opening.

It's going to probably take, you know, we've usually had them in this building.

I have a feeling it may take two or three buildings now because this has expanded so dramatically.

And we're going going to do that this summer, hopefully.

Okay, the last two.

The last two.

Okay.

All right.

I'm not sure which one that one is.

And if it's.

Sorry, it was empty.

Wait, what?

I'll throw the box out for you, but it was empty.

This one is the coolest thing ever.

This one is one of those things.

Brad Meltzer, you know, our good friend?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

He's going to, he'll flip over this.

And this is one of the coolest things things I've I just I've I've seen okay opening it now Christmas gift number four for Stu American culture

okay it's red

it's clothing take it carefully out yeah

wearing your gloves take it carefully out

oh my

wow okay take okay so it's Superman's cape oh my gosh now open it up on the inside and read

This is on the collar.

Wow, it says Christopher Reeves.

Yeah.

It says 4913 walking, which is interesting.

Unfortunately, what happened to Christopher Reeves?

Yeah.

But this is, that's Christopher Reeves.

Not only his cape, in the other box are his boots, and that's his suit.

Oh, yeah, look at the suit.

But pull his suit out, just the top.

Look how small he was.

Yeah.

Jeez.

Now, maybe, because it fit pretty tightly.

So

I don't know.

Maybe it stretches a lot, but he was not a big guy, at least according to the suit.

Yeah, it's

sort of, I guess, a stretchy

material, but

those are his pants.

I mean.

And that's from the first Superman movie.

I think these were custom, Glenn.

I don't think you bought these at the store.

Just an amazing, amazing thing.

And

these are some of the things that

David Barton has purchased.

I have purchased.

The museum has purchased.

And all of them will be seen in the museum.

There's his boots.

It just doesn't seem like a person saving the world would wear these boots.

I'll have to say.

No, it just doesn't seem like.

No, it looks more like Lady Gaga.

It does seem like something Lady Gaga would wear.

Yeah.

They zipped him right into these things.

Yeah, they zipped him in.

A little tight suit.

and some big boots.

It's a little weird.

That's it.

Now that I'm thinking about that whole thing.

Yeah, it's a little weird.

Yeah.

It's like,

you know, don't be caught walking around with that.

You know, unless you are the man of steel, you don't want to be caught in that suit.

You don't have to tell everybody, but tell me, how much has it set you back?

How much does all the stuff cost?

I mean, just

most of the people in the audience will just tune out audience.

Yeah, it's a lot.

It's a lot.

It's a lot.

By the way, here's two more things.

This is Captain America's mask from the first Captain America.

Look how small his head was.

Wait, did he wore this?

This is from the first movie.

I mean, it's like a kid.

He's three feet tall?

Yeah, I know.

Isn't that crazy?

Wait, what?

This is from the first movie, Captain America.

The first movie being...

Captain America.

But they've made several versions of that, haven't they?

Yeah, this is the one of the Marvel series.

This is the first Marvel series movie.

It was the first in the series of the Marvel movies.

Like recently?

Yeah.

With what's his name who plays

Chris Evans?

Chris Evans.

Yeah.

Does Chris Evans' head fit into this thing?

I don't know.

I just know that that.

Look at the inside.

Look at the inside.

It is from stage four,

number four.

It's the hard version of the helmet for the film.

We've uncovered some news here.

Chris Evans is apparently a little person.

I'm also going to show you, this is kind of,

this is the actual

Captain America shield from the first movie that he wore, you know, that he wore in.

That looks Chris Evans' size, though.

It does look Chris Evans.

Did he have a shrunken head?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Unfortunately, rubber, not vibranium.

Really?

Yeah, no.

So they lied?

They lied.

Captain America is a small-headed liar, just like the real America.

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There's a, man, there is a lot going on today

that,

quite honestly, I mean, I look at the stuff going on today and let's see if I can start with some,

let me start with some good news.

Okay, I don't have any, but how about this?

How about Nancy Pelosi actually standing up yesterday and saying,

yeah, I don't, I don't know where they're getting this, you know, lawless behavior from, but it's got to stop.

Listen to this.

Well, it is, it's, it's absolutely outrageous.

Obviously, it cannot continue.

But the fact is that there is an attitude of

lawlessness in our country that springs from, I don't know where.

Maybe you do.

Yeah, we do.

We cannot have that lawlessness

become the norm.

Yes, yes.

That's a good idea.

It's weird because I think that's what we were saying to them.

just a couple of years ago.

You can't allow this lawlessness to happen, You know, breaking the doors in of department stores and just going in and taking stuff.

Peaceful marches?

Sure.

Burning cities down?

Oh, so lighting cities on fire?

That would be lawlessness.

That would be lawlessness.

Well, it's lawlessness when you don't punish it, right?

If someone comes and burns the city down, that's one thing.

And that person has to deal with the consequences of that.

At least typically, that's how society works.

Yeah, not anymore.

These guys said that we shouldn't punish them.

I always go back to that moment during the initial George Floyd riots where they walked in to a police precinct, lit it on fire, and the police just left.

Not the police, not their decision, by the way, of course.

They did not want that to happen, but they just left and they let them take it over and set it on fire.

They didn't even try to stop them.

Like, what?

What am I, I feel like that's such an amazing moment that's been overlooked.

It's one thing, look,

and it's really bad for a target or

an auto part store to be lit on fire and no one shows up to put out the fire.

It's really bad.

For a police precinct, I mean, that's just signaling to everyone, do whatever you want.

You know, what's really amazing is if you've ever watched Batman,

you can see the parallels between Gotham

and many American cities.

They're turning into Gotham.

And it's because it's lawlessness and no one will do anything.

And so, what happens?

You look for somebody who is just going to take it on and do it themselves.

That's really bad.

Really bad.

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It started with Nancy Pelosi and her gang.

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So we have an update on Omicron, and

There's some some really bad news and some I think good news, but maybe I'm looking at it incorrectly.

It looks like it is much more virulent, which means it spreads.

No, no, no, no, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Much more transmissible.

Transmissible, yeah.

Much less virulent.

So maybe.

Maybe.

We don't know that for sure, but it...

I mean, there's signs.

There are signs of it.

We don't know, but it's signs.

You know, a lot of times, you know, look,

we've seen this pattern enough to know.

People who are skeptical of COVID generally gravitate to the best news information on this, and the people in the news media generally go to the worst, right?

We know that pattern goes on.

So you have to, you take time to sift through it and try to figure out, okay, which part of this is true, which isn't.

Even the mainstream media has started bringing up reports about it being less virulent.

So that's good.

It does seem like that there's something to that.

Well, it couldn't.

It couldn't reproduce this fast without leaving a wake.

We know it's not more virulent.

Yeah, I think that, I mean, I think so.

Yeah.

I think it's going to wind up being less.

There's a lot of people.

They've done a bunch of studies.

They're just all really early.

A lot of them are in the lab.

But this is the stuff they figure out to indicate what is going to go on.

And they miss sometimes, but usually they get the direction, generally speaking, right.

So it's now in 70 countries of rapid growth in the UK.

It now shows it can out-compete with the Delta variant, which, if it is less virulent, that's good because it will become the dominant strain.

Already the dominant strain in London, already in South Africa as well.

It says currently dominant in the U.S.

and much of Europe.

No, Delta is the one that's...

Oh, sorry, Delta is, yeah.

Also evidence that it is better than its predecessors at evading immunity from vaccines or previous infection.

That seems to be another thing that is real.

Like, you know, like we're Delta, you know, everyone was talking about the waning vaccine efficiency.

With Delta, you know, it was a little bit.

I don't think it was all that much to be worried about.

This one in particular, though, seems like not only vaccine immunity, but also natural immunity.

It seems to be good at getting around, which is

suboptimal.

Yeah.

In theory.

Yeah.

But this is, you know, to me, this goes back to what I said in January before anybody was really talking about, you know, what it might mean.

And I said, if this is an outbreak,

I fear the economic ramifications more than the virus.

I just don't think this is going to be the plague, you know, or Ebola.

It's going to really attack us economically.

That's what I was worried about.

And then I said, it is eventually going to burn itself out as they do, and it will probably just become another flu.

Now, that's bad because, you know, we lose.

The flu sucks.

Yeah, the flu sucks.

And we lose, what, 40 to 80,000 people every year in America from the flu.

You add another 40 to 80,000, and that's a lot of people.

Yeah, you don't want to double up on the flu if you can help it.

But I mean, long term, I think we will.

That's how this probably ends.

That's how it ends.

That's how it ends.

And this might be a step in that direction.

We don't know yet.

But we do know that it is,

the numbers are a little staggering.

It is, It is much more transmissible.

On Wednesday, the UK reported 4,671 new Omicron cases, an increase of 87%

on all those previously identified, bringing the total to more than 10,000 people.

Infections from the variant are much higher than reported cases, given the asymptomatic infection and the lag time in testing to identify it.

They estimate now Omicron infections could reach a million a day by Christmas Day.

In the UK?

That is the way this is written.

It doesn't, it's because the entire story is about the UK.

Yeah, 75,000.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

There are what, 75,000, I think you said,

per day.

Now, that was one.

It's a spike day.

Sometimes the data comes in strangely, so that's a little bit higher than they've been, but that's the record for the entire pandemic.

If it continues to

say they have previously identified bringing the total of cases more than to more than 10,000,

so

you're you're

you're a long way away from a million.

It's got to be for all of Europe.

It does seem, though,

pretty clear that it is a lot more transmissible, which, as you point out, might not be bad.

It depends on how much, how much more transmissible it is, right?

Because there are some indications in early lab studies and such that Omicron may be

the virulence of it may be reduced 25, maybe even 50 percent now that's not locked in you can't write you can't take that to the bank but if that were to hold up that's obviously really good in that less people will die the problem though is if you increase cases by five or ten x

that virulence is still going to wind up with a really bad bottom line number i i mean i do think that look if you're living in a red state if you're living in um

i don't think much much is going to change about your life going through this though i do think

travel may be very annoying.

If you're in a blue state, I think it's a lot of these.

I don't think shutdowns are coming, but I do think you're going to get restrictions.

Some of that stuff's going to come back on.

You're seeing it in some places already.

This may be kind of annoying.

I will say it doesn't seem to be a problem.

I think it's going to be.

I think it is going to be annoying because I think the federal government will make it annoying.

I think state governments will be also

in blue states.

In blue states.

And, you know, they already are.

But like when these things come up, we also had

an Epsilon variant, right?

And that was in the news for a while, too, and it turned into nothing.

Right.

So sometimes these things happen.

And the majority of them, I would say, a lot of these scares, we've seen it over and over again with the media.

They turn into nothing.

This one, though, like Delta, seems like it could get to the point where it's going to be pretty annoying.

I mean, like,

it does seem to evade

natural immunity and vaccine immunity.

Right.

They, you know, which is is weird because everybody's saying,

we've got to get on these vaccine boosters.

Why?

Well, I mean, it appears to evade those things.

Yeah.

Now, the initial studies, and again, it's important to note this comes from Pfizer.

And like, I don't know.

I understand you should definitely be skeptical of McDonald's telling you how healthy their fries are.

Right.

Like, okay, I got it.

Yes.

On the other hand, too, we're going to have real results from outside scientists within weeks.

So like

for them to just say, oh, go get boosted and have nothing behind it would also

help them in the long term.

Remember, this is a company that buys all the pills that makes the villages so exciting to live in.

Pfizer has a lot of money, right?

Like, so for them to completely screw this up would be, uh, would be, there's not a lot of incentive for them to do for a three-week period of them selling extra booster shots.

Their studies are showing that

the two shots are something like 33% effective against Omicron, where with the booster, it goes up to about 80%, is what they're saying.

Now, we don't know.

They are saying, however, and this is important,

and I think this will hold up for natural immunity as well, though I have not seen a study on it yet.

But both the vaccine and I think natural immunity are holding up quite well against hospitalization and death still.

So it's not, and that's one of the arguments about the difference in virulence.

The aggressiveness of COVID back in the day was against a population that no one had it and no one was vaccinated and we didn't have treatments, right?

Now we're at a point where a lot of people are vaccinated, a lot of people have had it and we have a lot of treatments and more coming.

So it may just be that it's this similar virulence, but we just have a population much better prepared to handle it.

And that is important.

It's why you don't put all these restrictions on again.

We are able to make our own choices and judge our own risk.

So they're looking at the University University of Ohio, Ohio State University.

They're looking at the Omicron variant, and they have found now that

it looks like this variant doesn't go or doesn't breed well in the lungs.

It does much better in the throat, which is huge.

It's true.

Huge.

If you get that out of your lungs, you know, that's where pneumonia and you just can't breathe, all of that stuff.

Ventilators, If you keep it, if this thing keeps out of lungs, it's going to be a lot better.

Now, we don't know that's an initial report, but this is the way these things work.

Generally speaking, this is the way viruses work.

They don't want to kill the host.

Life is trying to find a way to live and survive.

So this virus is life.

And if it goes into a body and the body dies because it kills it, it dies.

And so it needs to get smarter and less virulent and kill less people.

And that's what happens.

That's why these things usually get more and more mild as they go on.

But

you're not going to see an end to the madness.

However, let me say this.

Have you seen the CEOs, two of the largest airlines, say that they are no longer, this is American and Southwest, say they are not going to, uh,

they're not going to do the mask mandates.

They say that the I thought it was an FAA rule.

Two CEOs, America's largest airline, said this week they don't believe the Biden administration's continued mask mandates requiring travels to wear masks while flying serves as much benefit, considering the fact that airplanes have advanced filtration systems that remove nearly all airborne contamination from the cabin.

The comments came from American Airlines CEO Doug Parker, Southwest Airlines CEO Gary Kelly, came during a Senate committee hearing on the financial support of the industry during the pandemic.

So they're pushing back on it.

They're opposing it.

They're opposing it.

They can't lift it themselves.

But that is a huge deal.

And honestly, you're talking about one of probably the safest environments you could be for COVID because of the...

Because you would think it would be one of the worst, but it's not.

Yeah.

Because it would be one of the worst if it was a sealed tube.

Right.

But they filter that air, I don't know how many times

before it comes blowing back in your face.

So it it is a very safe environment.

And I know of really none that I can think of outbreaks that have happened on planes.

That's not to say that no cases have ever been transmitted on a plane, but like there haven't been super spreader events on planes because of infiltration.

Right.

You would think that that closed-in environment would be a super spreader event every time it takes off.

So where are you on, like if you had to say,

Let me give you two options.

This is going to get pretty bad or it's going to fade away and be nothing.

Are you a 50-50 person?

Are you above 50-50?

That's going to get bad.

And when I mean bad, I mean, you know, I don't think it's going to be

April 2020 bad,

but it's going to be, you know, worse than, let's say, the delta wave

of the fall and winter last year, where we had, you know, up 3,500, 4,000 people a day dying.

So I think, I mean, this is a sheer guess on my part.

I don't have any feeling on it.

I'm with you on this.

It's just a vibe.

I don't know.

My gut says that

it's going to be much more prevalent,

but much less scary.

People are not going to be afraid of this.

It's going to start just becoming part of life.

Right.

You're going to start people.

The government's not going to reflect that, but that's where the American people are.

And I think the people

are going to be.

And we always lead, I think.

We will start doing the things.

And this, you see this in red states all the time.

You know, like there were mask mandates here much longer than people were paying attention to them.

You know what I mean?

Like people were living their lives and doing what they wanted to do, even though some of these rules remained on the books.

And some of these places will implement these rules again.

And I think at this point, most people are just like, look,

I got to live my life.

You know, I mean, if you...

I'm not going to live my life.

It's, it's, this is what I got in trouble for when I said when we were at the height.

People like me, my age, I've lived a good life.

I've had a good life.

And if it meant keeping America's doors open on critical infrastructure, then I'd be willing to go in.

And, you know, I get the coronavirus and I die.

Okay.

I volunteer to do that.

Keep America going.

Don't keep shutting it down.

And I think more and more people are like that.

Look, I'm not going to live my life in fear of this stupid virus.

Right.

You know, we can't.

We can't.

It'll be like this.

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Hello, America.

Welcome to the program two days away from my last show, today and tomorrow, my last show before the holidays.

And I want to talk to you a little bit about some of the things that we're missing right now.

We're losing traditions and we don't even recognize it.

I want to start there in 60 seconds.

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an admission to you.

This is so far the least holiday I have ever felt in my life.

And it may be for a myriad of reasons.

The family is at a really

oh my gosh, the family has just had a really bad year.

This has been the worst year

as a family, I think, we've ever had.

We've had some high points, but we've had so many low points.

And maybe it's just that I'm not in the mood for Christmas.

I just want to just want to get it done with.

And I asked everybody on the staff yesterday, because somebody on my staff said, you're not really doing anything about Christmas.

And like, hello, Santa Claus, do you look like him?

And so I asked, who's not into the holiday season this year?

Everybody on my staff, what are the 13, 10, 10 people?

Yeah.

Everybody in here yesterday raised their hand except for two.

Nathan, who just wrote a book about Christmas.

He's got a best-selling Christmas book.

He has to be in a Christmas.

And you, Stu.

Yes.

And then I started the discussion and say, okay, so why is it?

What's happening to us?

Because everybody,

everybody on my staff, we are always excited for Christmas.

Well, except for probably the one Jewish person, but

everybody's always excited for Christmas.

So first we thought, okay, is it the lack of Jesus in the Christmas season?

Is it the rise of

consumerism, which I don't really even feel this year?

I've felt that for years.

And parts of me don't mind if Christmas starts in September.

You know what I mean?

Because I've always liked Christmas.

Yeah.

I think,

now hear me out.

We have had multiple years of social polarization.

And I think that's part of it.

But also the death of our traditions.

Our traditions are being killed one by one.

And perhaps we have forgotten how to make things sacred

we've lost our we've lost our reverence for wisdom that is passed down from generation to generation we're now all focused on the future and Karl Marx that we've let the past disappear in our neglect we built towers without any regard for their foundations we built our homes on shifting sands

and sacredness

I don't know if you've been watching what's happening over the redesign of Notre Dame in France, but sacredness

has been sacrificed on the altar.

It's far less important than inclusivity and connection.

They want places to feel welcoming

more than holy.

And there is something about sacred spaces.

We in our culture try to bring everything together.

We don't set things apart.

Now, the left is doing that because of their religion.

They are setting things apart.

They are setting the forests apart.

People shouldn't go in the forest.

They'll hurt it.

It's sacred.

And then they set...

The abominations apart.

You can't be in society because you don't believe this.

But when it comes to, you know, regular people, nothing is sacred anymore.

You know,

I force my son, and this is one of our traditions, and I don't even know if we're going to do it this year.

Every

January 1st, the family gets together and we spend New Year's Eve together and we have one really nice meal.

And we all dress to the nines.

I've made the decision that they're black, they're black tie.

That's cool.

And we've always had black tie.

Since the kids were small, we had black tie January or December 31st dinners.

And last year, we were like, ah, let's just dress up a little bit.

And we weren't really even dressed up.

And this year, I haven't heard any talk about it.

And I've done it because

I want my sons to know how to dress.

I want my sons to know.

And maybe that's ridiculous.

Maybe that'll never happen because people aren't wearing even suits and ties anymore.

So, I don't know.

But everything's blending together now.

You know, our work bleeds into our home life because there's always something buzzing in our pocket.

The idea of your Sunday best is gone.

We're lucky if people show up to church in person.

You know, just don't watch from home in their PJs because I know I've enjoyed that.

We're lucky if people don't even show up.

I bet you they have shown up in church in their PJs.

More and more, our family gatherings are held virtually, where the family is together virtually, but in reality, we're not.

And we've done these things now because we want to be connected.

We want to include everyone.

We want togetherness.

If you ask most church folks why they don't dress for church as much as their grandma did, they'll say, because I want everybody to feel comfortable joining the service.

You know, they don't want the requirement to wear nice clothes or whatever to prevent potential churchgoers from attending.

It's an effort to be more inclusive and it's an honest effort.

But

it's like we've always said in my business, I can't program this show for the people who don't listen.

We are who we are, and we care about the people who are listening.

And we've lost so much, our traditions and our sacred spaces.

And it is our traditions and our rituals that bind us together as a nation.

Jordan Peterson has recently talked about this, tradition.

Listen.

We don't have much respect for tradition in the West, and it's a really, really big problem because the ethical responsibility of a human being is to take the dead culture, so that's the dead father or the dead God, and to revivify it with attention and communication.

And you fail to do that, then everything disappears.

And we are failing to do that.

We're leaving it all behind instead.

It's not a good idea.

You know, if the old gods die,

as Nietzsche said they had, new gods swoop in very rapidly.

And if you think the old god was bad, you wait till the new gods get a hold of you.

This is what concerns me so much.

We are changing, and we're not even noticing how much we have changed.

COVID alone has changed everything.

You know, at least after 9-11, we noticed, wow, you can't go to the airport anymore.

You can't go to the gate.

I've got to be searched all the time.

I got this and that.

Now, I'm not sure.

Things are changing so rapidly.

I'm not sure we even notice anymore.

We're going to stand back

probably soon and look back and go, holy cow, when did all of this happen?

I remember that we used to.

We're now being trained

that meat is expensive.

We're now being trained that you're going to have an electric car.

We're now being trained that

you can not work and be paid.

We're now being trained that capitalism is bad.

We're now being trained that

Jesus is a myth and there are no standards.

We got to make them up ourselves.

I mean, think of this.

The flag

is offensive.

Football is racist.

Thanksgiving is racist.

What survives untouched?

In the last few years, we've seen the death of things that bring us together.

We couldn't go to football games.

We shouldn't go celebrate 4th of July.

And now we can't go to, you know, grandma's house because of COVID.

First of all, this has been happening over the years in bits and pieces.

The family has been breaking down into smaller, smaller pieces.

First, through people just moving away.

They're not coming home for the holidays anymore.

Then there's divorce, and so do I go to mom's house or dad's house or both.

Now, through political divides, we're not having Uncle Bernie here

and vaccination status.

We're closing everybody out.

And after a couple of years of not gathering in person,

I really fear many of us have lost the taste for it.

I sat at

the Thanksgiving table and I thought about the first Easter I was with the Colonna family before I married my wife.

And it was still with all the old people, the old people that had come from Italy.

Talk with your hands, barely understand them.

All of the immigrants that had come.

And it was a table that was full and rich, and no one got up from the table, literally for six hours.

And it was fascinating.

And everybody was talking.

This time, I went for Thanksgiving.

It was mom and dad, my family.

Luckily, the other kids, two of the other kids

came.

One of their family, another one popped by to visit, and the aunts and uncles, they popped in to visit later.

And that's a good score for a family.

How many families are still doing that?

But it wasn't the same.

Our homes aren't sacred anymore.

What is it that we're passing down to our children?

And we have to answer this question because nature abhors a vacuum, and there are gaping holes that we have left open as we dismantle our society.

And if we don't fill it with something good, it will be filled with something not good.

I guess what I'm saying to you is what I'm saying to myself this Christmas.

Maybe we should all take a moment and just consider what is sacred.

Perhaps it's the traditions you've inherited.

Perhaps it isn't.

But the one thing I know that I've learned since getting older, kids don't learn it through osmosis.

I said something to my kids the other day, something my dad had said a million times.

I don't remember what it was right now, but it was one of these things that I grew up, I knew absolutely positively, because my dad said it over and over and over again.

And I said, kids, I know you've heard me say this over and over again, but and both my kids looked at me and said,

I've never heard you say that before, Dad.

I'm like, well, of course I have.

And I'm not sure they might, because they're really good liars.

I'm not sure if I had.

And I'm learning every day, every day.

Kids don't learn through osmosis.

Jeremiah predicted:

Surely our fathers have inherited lies.

Maybe,

but don't throw an inherited

history

away lightly.

Don't do it without an understanding that that is digging a hole in your family and in yourself,

and something

will come and fill it.

And have you noticed how many people there are in government and society that are more than willing to fill it?

One of the things my father used to say all the time is, the name of God is I am.

It's the most powerful two words in any language, I am.

And if you don't know and say to yourself every day,

I am

blank

because you don't know or you don't believe, you don't believe in yourself,

I am miserable, I am unhappy, I am a loser.

If you say that, that is what you will become.

So fill that blank after I am with something you want to become, something that you can hold up your head and say, this is what and who I am.

And if you don't do it,

he warned us in marriage and in life,

there will always be someone willing.

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And it's happening to all of us now.

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We don't know where we came from.

We don't know what to be an American even means.

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I am a Christian.

I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

I am clear about redemption.

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Hey,

welcome to the program.

So there's several things that I think we should touch on.

I want to go back to Omicron and the coronavirus.

Last hour, Stu and I were talking about

the latest stats.

It looks like it's much more transmissible, but the early indications are that it may be less viral, maybe less deadly.

And that would be good news.

It's not going in, it doesn't feast on the lungs.

It instead lives in the airways

and in our throats, which makes it much more transmissible.

But also because it's not going into our lungs, it makes it less deadly, we think at this point.

We're entering a time now, and Stu and I, I think think we agree that

the American people, and I think people all over the world are kind of pretty done with it.

They're done with it.

They're like, you know what, I got to live my life.

Yeah, I think that's true.

I think, and look, obviously, a lot of conservatives were done with it a long time ago, but I think looking at the country as a whole, and this is important to you if you're running a business, you might not care about what liberals do generally, but you're running a business, a good chunk of that business probably comes from the left.

So, you know, it's important that everybody gets past this, not just us.

And I think there are still holdouts for sure, but I think we are moving past it pretty rapidly at this point.

I mean, I don't think people live and die with this information every day.

And I think most people don't even want to talk about it anymore.

They're sick of it.

Oh, yeah, they're sick of it.

And

I think people are like, look, leave me alone.

Just leave me alone.

Yeah.

You know, you make your decision.

I'll make my decision.

Matthew Walther, he's the editor of The Lamp, also contributing editor for American Conservative.

He wrote a piece in The Atlantic,

Where I Live, No Ores About COVID.

And this has people in New York and people who read The Atlantic going, wait, wait, what?

But I think he's right.

I think he's right.

It's where most people are.

We're going to talk to him in just a second because it's, I think, a rather remarkable

article that is a

wake-up call, I think, for a lot of people on the coast.

Yeah.

This is happening.

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There's some new early stats out on Omicron, and it it looks to be

more transmissible.

It could be by a lot, but it also looks less deadly, but we don't know yet.

But that wouldn't stop everybody from freaking out.

I shouldn't say that.

It shouldn't stop everybody in the media from freaking out, and in Washington or in certain

blue states.

They're all freaking out.

I don't think the American people are.

I think we're done with it.

And Matthew Walther is the editor of The Lamp, contributing editor, American Conservative, and he's written a piece for The Atlantic, where I live, no one cares about COVID.

And reading the article, I think he's exactly right.

Matthew, welcome to the program.

Thanks for having me.

So this,

how has this gone over at the Atlantic?

So to be honest, I have been heartened by the response that I've seen from so many people,

especially people just emailing me or sending me messages on social media to say thank you.

We're so glad that there's somebody out there who's willing to present our actual experience of reality.

We feel like when we read the news or we turn on TV,

a different universe is being presented.

We thought we were the only ones.

Are you getting those from coastal cities?

Really from all over.

I mean, that's the thing that

was really surprising and and, again, heartening to me.

It wasn't just people who live, you know, in,

you know, sort of deep red rural America, as we happen to do.

It's people, you know, who live in, say, the Connecticut suburbs who say, yeah, you know, the truth is, is that sometimes, you know, at work, they tell us we have to put these masks on or whatever.

But for the most part, I'm over it.

I'm living my life.

We had grandma over for Thanksgiving.

You know, we're all getting together to watch football.

We're going to our kids' high school basketball games.

We're just living our lives.

lives.

It is really a strange thing.

There seems to be a split, and I'm not sure that that split is going to last

except in places that are uber, uber, uber, deep, deep blue.

But it's almost, I was up in Connecticut and it's almost religious now.

I mean,

you are a pariah if you're not wearing a mask in some circles, outside, inside, all the time.

It's nuts.

It's almost a mental disorder.

Yeah, you know, and the worst thing about it is I suppose it's one thing if these people

want to engage in this behavior, but the ones I feel bad for are the service workers, people who clean hotels, people who wash dishes in restaurants, whom I fear are going to end up having to do this for years, even after

the

people who consider themselves their betters have moved on.

Yeah.

I think that's going to happen with the airline industry too, if the airline industry doesn't wake up and start pushing back.

You, in your article, talked about a trip in Washington, D.C.

And I had this exact same experience when I went into the coastal cities.

You said it was bizarre to find thousands of people indifferently donning masks outdoors.

Tell me about that.

Yeah, I, you know,

again, li living out here, I was aware that masking, you know, when you go into a restaurant or you walk into a hotel was a thing.

But the idea that people were wearing them outside in March,

it just would never have occurred to me that that was a thing.

There was never any real evidence that outdoor transmission of the virus was a thing, but especially when, you know, you're just walking down the road.

Yeah.

You know,

unless you're trying to signal

for other people, I have no idea what the public health benefit could be.

Well, that's an interesting thing.

And you talk about that in the article, unless you're trying to signal something.

I think this is

a signal.

I think this is like the red MAGA hat.

This is a signal you're on one side or the other.

I think it's horrible that it has become that.

And I hope we can get past that.

But I think that's what's happening.

Yeah, I think you're exactly right.

And I should say, I mean, to me, I think that the sort of deep politicization of the most ordinary acts like walking on the street or going into a restaurant or whatever is horrible.

You know, I think that people who go out of their way to put on masks to demonstrate some sense of superiority is obnoxious.

I also think people who say put on a MAGA hat or let's go brand insured or whatever just epistemically to try to provoke their neighbors.

That's obnoxious, too.

I mean, I wish we could move beyond that.

I agree.

I mean, you can wear one, but when you wear it, just like,

I'm going on the plane to rile everybody up.

That's obnoxious.

That is obnoxious.

Fun, but obnoxious.

You come to the conclusion

that this is going to be just another

stupid thing that we, you know, you wrote, no fault divorce, divorce factory sliced bread frozen meals and of course infant formula are adopted enthusiastically by the upper middle class who then think better of them by the time the lower orders come around

yeah

obviously that's uh there's a lot to unpack there but you know one of the most fascinating um conclusions that sociologists have drawn over the last few decades is that divorce is actually not something by and large that upper middle class professionals are doing anymore.

Divorce, if you look at

where it sort of falls on the class ladder, is actually largely concentrated among the lower middle classes,

who used to be the people who are most likely to have sort of lifelong stable marriages.

And so there's this consistent pattern that plays out where

the people at the top get enthusiastic about something, people a little bit further down are sort of skeptical.

And the top imposes it on the bottom, and then they think better of it, and they discard it themselves, but everybody else is stuck with it.

I don't know if that's, because I think that it is generally a lot of the elites that are doing this at this point.

And I think I've seen a turn.

You know, I think everybody wanted to do the right thing at the beginning, and we all thought the best of each each other.

And now,

you know, some of these things are just completely, you know, either unproven or disproven to be effective in any way.

And people are tired of it.

They're like, look, I can't live my life in isolation.

I'm not doing it.

I'll live with this.

And I think that's becoming dominant.

With Omicron, what do you see on the horizon?

I think that what we're going to see here is that people

are finally going to come around to the reality that

COVID is not like Russian roulette.

I think that's how most people think of it.

Or if it is like Russian roulette, it's playing it with some kind of weird gun that has

a couple million chambers in it.

And the same thing is true of

getting in your car for your morning commute.

There is always a non-zero chance that something really bad could happen to you.

But I think what a lot of this comes down to is just people's varying

assessments of risk.

But I think what we're going to see now is people kind of quietly acknowledging to themselves, oh, yeah, you know what?

I don't have to be worried about this.

I can go about my business.

And I can never be 100% sure that nothing bad is going to happen, but, you know, what can you do?

His website is thelampmagazine.com.

The article we've been talking about was in the Atlantic where I live.

No one cares about COVID.

His name is Matthew Walther.

Thank you, Matthew.

I appreciate it.

Thanks, Gwen.

You bet.

So, Stu, I mean, I think he's coming to the same conclusion, and it ties into something

that we talked about yesterday, and that is,

can we play the Nancy Pelosi sat from yesterday?

This is crazy.

This is Nancy Pelosi talking about how crime is just out of hand.

Listen to this.

You don't have it?

It was cut too, I thought.

Well, it is.

It's absolutely outrageous.

Obviously, it cannot continue.

But the fact is that there is an attitude of

lawlessness in our country that springs from, I don't know where.

Maybe you do.

Yeah, we do.

You.

And we cannot have that lawlessness become the norm.

Okay.

So we have yesterday the mayor of San Francisco coming out and saying, enough is enough.

Enough is enough.

And this person is, you know, was part of the progressive movement.

She was the one who said,

we're going to cut our spending for our police.

We're going to try something different.

Important to note, too, that was July of this year.

Yeah.

Only a few months ago, they were still on this, you know, dissolve the police, to fund the police sort of direction.

And that's switched around

in a lot of cities just over the past few weeks.

People are realizing how bad of an idea this was, which is hard to understand that it could take more than, I don't know, eight seconds.

I know.

I know.

Just one viewing of the mainly peaceful marches.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, but they were so locked into that politically, they couldn't see the negatives.

And now they're seeing it, but they're blaming it on something else.

They're looking to blame it on anything else.

But I think this is because, and we're going to talk to Michael Schullenberger.

He's the author of San Francisco.

We've had him on a couple of times.

He's been pushing and saying, look, this has got to stop.

And he's, you know, kind of on the left.

He started, he used to be in the movement that the progressive movement about things like homelessness and stuff.

He was an activist in that area.

And I mean, and in some ways, I guess he still is.

But he's just saying that, like, those approaches that progressives want don't work.

We need to change them.

Don't work.

Yeah.

And

I want him to talk about what it took to change, but he'll go into detail.

What happened to this mayor?

This mayor was approached by people,

average people, that got together and said, enough is enough.

Enough is enough.

And the pressure started on her.

And

that's what she says changed her, is seeing people.

And I think this is happening all across America, even in progressive San Francisco.

People are waking up.

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You know, it's really interesting is I'm starting to see a, and I've been looking for this for a long time, a group of people that believe in, let's say, the Bill of Rights, that understand individual rights, but also understand that the system that we have, the way it is currently operating, is not working and mainly because of violations of the Bill of Rights.

But there's also other things that are happening in society that we need to take a new look at and figure it out.

You know, there are so many people who who are homeless who are really seriously disturbed.

How do we deal with that?

How do we deal with the homelessness in California?

The one thing you don't do is what California has done and just made it like, hey, you can do whatever you want.

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You can be shooting drugs and everything's fine because it's not fine.

It's not fine.

We're going to talk to Michael Schellenberger next.

He is the author of San Francisco.

He's a guy who was, when we first did our special on CNN, on global warming, he was known as the environmental justice warrior.

He was the savior of the planet around that time, wasn't he?

Yeah, he went through a long career of activism on global warming.

And,

you know, he'll tell you the story, but he, you know, he believed a lot of that hype about it and

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after looking at all the data, that just doesn't prove out.

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Their science doesn't even say this stuff.

Yeah, it doesn't.

So he went through all the claims and has some amazing interviews and moments in there where some of the time, some of the things you've heard like AOC say, he, instead of just debating it like everybody else does, he just actually got an interview with the scientist who supposedly said it.

And then that scientist said, oh, I didn't say that.

That's not what it means at all.

Everybody who's repeating that is wrong.

Like, it's that, that clear.

So it's pretty interesting the work that he's done on that topic.

And he has sort of the same journey, I think, with this, in that he was very active in the, in the movement

early on to try to solve some of these problems of extended homelessness and these issues and was on the progressive side.

And he now is looking at these things with a totally different eye.

And he's come up with really detailed solutions to it because this stuff is not going away.

If we continue to treat this like

we should use our streets as both the residence and bathroom of homeless people in every one of these big cities, this is going to turn out really badly.

And it already is.

Yeah.

It already is.

Here's this there, by the way.

He's dealing with it on an everyday basis.

Here's the really fascinating thing to me:

right now, we have the opportunity to think outside of the box and really meet with big thinkers on both sides because the crowd hasn't come yet.

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And they're like, look,

what I've been advocating doesn't work, clearly doesn't work.

And we've got to find something new.

And some of the things you guys have been advocating seem to work.

What can we do?

What can we do together?

And that's a really rare opportunity, but it's going to be those people coming together together from both sides and sitting through those uncomfortable moments going, I really disagree with you on this particular sliver, but let's find the things that we do agree on to move forward.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

There's something really exciting going on.

The world is changing.

And people who have been hardcore lefties

are now starting to go, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Hang on.

Some of this stuff isn't working.

And we have a real opportunity to talk to people who were dedicated on the other side.

I mean, not radical revolutionary, you know, kind of people, but

people who believed in different things than we believed in.

They are now saying, wait, I may have more in common with you than I thought.

And we can actually find our path towards one another because

the world has changed.

I don't want to throw out the Bill of Rights or the Constitution, but other than that, I'm pretty willing to listen and find a new path.

And what's happening is the left is starting to cave and say,

gee, I don't know why our cities are on fire.

I don't know why everybody is killing each other,

but that's got to stop.

Well, it just happened in San Francisco with the mayor of San Francisco.

A guy who has been calling for this

is Michael Schellenberger.

He is the author of the book San Francisco, and he's with us to talk about what's happening in San Francisco in 60 seconds.

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No, San Francisco.

Sorry.

It's a great, a great book.

Stu's just read.

Are you finished it yet?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really good.

Michael, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

I'm great.

Thanks for having me, Glenn.

So

this is a good thing that's happening from your point of view, I would imagine.

San Francisco is starting to come to their senses.

I mean, we're thrilled.

I mean, what can I say?

I mean, it's incredible to see the San Francisco mayor got up.

She said in very blunt terms that things had to change.

She explicitly called for tough love.

She used those words, tough love.

And then she used an expletive, which I won't use.

she said BS she said we're not going to tolerate this BS anymore and

it was a very strong speech I mean look there's a lot of reasons to be skeptical I've read 30 years of you know 30 years of proposals coming out of the San Francisco government promising to do this but it's clear she staked her political future on what she does next And it's just given a lot of momentum to the critics of this kind of radical progressive left

nonsense, defund the police, that demoralized and demonized police, and that resulted in this crime surge we're seeing.

We also saw the former mayor of Philadelphia come out and criticize the left-wing DA for

basically dismissing the fact that we're in a crime wave at all.

I mean, much of the left has been in denial that we're in the midst of record homicide levels in many cities,

incredible amounts of crime going on, all of it created by progressive policies, all of it allowed by progressive policies.

So to see this backlash now coming, including from the heart of progressivism, is really quite inspiring.

So I want to play something from Nancy Pelosi because it goes to the mayor of San Francisco.

And here's what she said yesterday, Nancy Pelosi.

Well, it is, it's absolutely outrageous.

Obviously, it cannot continue.

But the fact is that there is an attitude of

lawlessness in our country that springs from, I don't know where.

Maybe you do.

Yes, I do.

And we cannot have that lawlessness.

So

here's the thing.

She's claiming she doesn't know what has caused this lawlessness.

It has been her and people like her who have allowed people to set fire to our cities.

And it's the progressive policies.

Now, this particular mayor, it was, I think, in June that she said,

you know, I'm all in.

We're cutting the budgets.

We're doing all kinds of different things.

How has she changed?

What happened to her that

has given her this pivot point?

Well, you know, Glenn, there's this famous old slogan from, I think, the 70s, which is

liberals become conservatives when they're mugged by reality.

And I think that's just what's happened here.

I mean, yeah, it's striking.

You got to remember San Francisco and Mayor Breed was one of the first progressive mayors to call for defunding the police.

She announced $120 million in cuts to the budgets of both the San Francisco Police and Sheriff's Department just last year.

I mean, we've seen the results on the ground.

I mean, things are absolutely chaotic.

It's hard to describe if you're not here, but we have...

you know, the older and worsening problem of street addiction, open-air drug scenes, open-air drug markets with violence.

There's homicides have obviously obviously increased all around the country, certainly in the Bay Area, particularly in Oakland, but also in San Francisco.

And then we've seen this just greater audacity and brazenness of this really looting, you know, these smash-and-grab robberies organized on Snapchat, thieves going into luxury department stores.

stealing designer handbags and really giving lie to the claim by AOC and others on the progressive left who claimed that, oh, that these are just poor people stealing bread to survive.

I mean, these are folks that are stealing luxury handbags for money.

So it's just...

And then selling them openly on the street and not being hassled.

Right?

Yeah, that's right.

Exactly.

I mean, you know, when you and I talked before, this all boils down to a victim ideology, the idea that you can divide the world and people in the world into victims and oppressors and that to the victims, everything should be given and nothing nothing required.

And that means that they basically, you know, started, the DA has stopped enforcing many laws against people that they deem to be victims, whether they're drug addicts, mentally ill people,

people breaking laws.

And that's what's given basically permission to all of this increased criminal activity.

Aaron Powell, Jr.: So do you think that this is another shell game?

I mean, look,

there are Marxists that want a completely different system.

I think there are people that call themselves progressives that don't really understand what the progressive movement really kind of turned into.

But

they do agree with the Bill of Rights.

They do agree with law and order.

And

they believe in a lot of the same things I do.

Which category is she in, do you think?

Is this just another

Marxist progressive that is now just going to try to hang on to power?

Or do you think real changes are open, or on the table here?

I mean, you're asking exactly the right question, which is there's a lot of progressive people that kind of go back and forth with one of two views.

I mean, one view is, I would call it a more liberal view, which you believe that, hey, we all have the same police.

We should all be under the same laws.

This is the foundation of our constitution.

It's the foundation of our civilization, civilization, which is equal rights under the law.

There's another view which says, no, we have to have this radical change.

We need to get rid of the police.

We need to have some completely different group of people in that role.

The laws should be enforced differently depending on your identity or your experience.

And, you know, you can see the difference.

It's like there's one, you know, one set of people want to reform the police.

Who doesn't want that?

Who doesn't want to make the police better?

There's another group that want to to just get rid of them.

And I think that when you see heavily emotional moments like last year, the George Floyd video, nobody could watch that and not be horrified by it.

Nobody could watch that and not want to see police reform.

Correct.

But in those emotional environments, the radical left takes advantage of people's genuine sympathies and genuine empathies, particularly liberals.

They manipulate them to suggest that we should somehow abolish the police or defund the police.

In fact, the research shows very clearly that if you want to reduce police violence, you actually have to fund the police.

You actually need more police officers so that they have the time to get the training that they need.

Michael, in your book, you had, I'm going to try to remember the anecdote, but you talked to someone and you did a bunch of interviews for this book.

And I thought it was really illustrative of what the issue is here.

And it was about someone, a theoretical situation where a frat boy, A hammered, drunk frat boy comes out in front of somebody's house and goes to the bathroom on the sidewalk versus the actual problems that are going on in San Francisco, really, with homeless people and others doing that same thing.

And it seems like they're advocating for completely different treatments of these people as if one is really bad and one isn't.

Yeah, you got it.

I mean, this was, you're referring to this conversation where I confront

a lead attorney with the ACLU.

And I say, so you're saying that you shouldn't enforce laws against, say, public defecation if the person that's doing it is mentally ill or addicted to hard drugs.

And she said, well, you have to make a judgment.

I mean, if it's a frat guy urinating in my driveway, then he should be arrested.

But if it's somebody with mental illness,

you should send out a social worker.

And, you know, first of all, that's just not actually how, that's not the best way to deal with the problem.

I talk about how Europe deals with it, very liberal Europe.

You arrest people for committing crimes, and yes,

at the jailhouse, in front of the judge with a psychiatrist, they are evaluated for whether or not they have a mental illness or a drug addiction.

And often the alternative is rehab or psychiatric care if they're mentally ill.

But we don't do that.

And we stop doing that.

Exactly.

And we've actually, I think we've made it worse.

We've then given them free homes and, you know, a free apartment with absolutely no responsibilities.

No responsibilities.

You don't have to become clean and sober.

You can can just keep doing what you're doing, but now you're inside.

You got it.

And in San Francisco, I describe how giving cash, giving housing to people with serious mental illness and addiction with no accountability results in worsening of their disease and often death.

And so, but at bottom, it's this idea that somehow the law should be enforced differently

or that people should not be arrested for certain crimes when, in fact, it's actually arresting people for those crimes that often gets them the help that they need, while, of course, also protecting public spaces,

public dignity,

you know, and cities themselves.

So it's really, they've created the worst of both worlds.

They've both created increased human suffering and the destruction of our greatest cities.

So out of those two categories of people, the ones who just want radical change and

those who just are seeing problems and

want to fix things, but they're within parameters.

Where is this?

Do you feel the movement of the first category?

Do you feel like that is starting to change and they are starting to say, look, I think there's a difference between a Democrat and you guys?

Yeah, I think for sure.

I mean, you know, so Breed, the thing that's been happening is that the progressives came to power in San Francisco.

And Breed, even though she's mayor, she's a weak mayor, not due to any fault of her own, but because the system gives her very little power.

She's on this broader board of supervisors that's controlled by progressives.

Breed is sort of the last generation of the moderates, and she's been outgunned really for years by the progressives.

So I think what we're seeing is moderates coming back.

You know, you sort of ask, what will the future bring?

This is a really dynamic moment.

It's a really chaotic moment.

So truly,

we don't know.

It depends on what all of us do.

I mean, we've organized parents of kids killed by fentanyl, parents of kids addicted to hard drugs, including fentanyl in the streets, as well as recovering addicts.

We've created a coalition called the California Peace Coalition.

We're actually scaling up nationwide because there's been so much demand for this nationally.

We've put a lot of pressure on these guys privately, publicly.

We've held protests of drug dealers in L.A.

and in San Francisco.

And I tell you, it's had an impact.

I mean, the response from people to our protests was basically what took took you so long.

And we were like, look, we were the first ones protesting drug dealers, but I think it had an impact.

We've also seen the communities most affected by open-air drug dealing, which of course are poor communities, mostly minority communities.

They've now started having marches and protests.

And what's so interesting, Glenn, is that that's exactly what worked.

in other parts of the world, including the Netherlands, including Europe, is that it took the communities, the people themselves from those neighborhoods, getting organized, demanding change.

That's what's led the mayor to take the action she did.

The crime obviously wasn't enough.

It really took this kind of outrage, this action by the people, by the parents, by those communities to get this change of heart by the mayor.

Yeah, I read a story in the New York Post today that said that it was those, it was the people from the community.

And she was forced to look at it

and would attend and would actually talk to people.

And she was like, you know what?

We're wrong on this.

We got to move towards the people.

And the people usually have the answer.

It's just whether or not the politician is humble enough to listen to the people.

Michael, thank you so much for everything you do and have a great holiday season.

Thanks so much for having me back on, Glenn.

You too.

Happy holidays.

You bet.

Michael Schellenberger, he is the author of San Francisco

and the founder and president of Environmental Progress.

All of the things that you would think I really don't like, but I find this guy very, very reasonable.

And, you know, he's the author of Apocalypse Never, which is...

You got to have that book, too.

Yeah, you have to have that.

Both of them are really, really great.

Apocalypse Never has so many things you'll go back to over and over and over again when you're debating the environment with your friends.

Yeah, and he was the guy who Time magazine said is the hero of the environment.

He won the green book of the year in 2008.

He started doing more and more research.

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Yes, the environment is important and in trouble but it's not going to kill us all it's not like what they're saying and I don't know if any of these solutions that they are saying are the good right solutions the guy is an honest broker of information and we have far too few of those especially on those who came from the progressive left Michael Schellenberger is his name back in a minute

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And

now the state is involved.

Great story to follow up.

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We're sitting here watching some amazing video from Yako Buens.

He is the president and founder of ShareTogetherNow.org.

You were covering the crisis on the border because you are watching.

I mean, it is clear

child trafficking is happening at an enormous rate.

And so you were tracking all the way from the Mexican side all the way to here in America and not just to the border guard, but also they're going to put them on a plane and they're going to send them someplace else.

To Florida, to Alexandria Airport in

Louisiana, up to wherever in the U.S.

The process of the children coming into the country, making the point that

the notion we can keep every child safe, that our president made that notion is incorrect.

And these children end up in the hands of traffickers in the U.S.

So now you're following the bus and you go to one of the stations for the Border Patrol where they're processing these kids.

You follow the bus, but you don't go in.

No.

One of the border people come out and say, hey, thanks for the support, blah, blah, blah.

And you're standing there on the edge.

And I'm going to show a video.

You'll be able to hear what it's doing.

A truck comes out,

like a ram truck or something.

Toyota Tundra.

Okay.

And

this

Toyota comes out.

It has a border guard in it.

You can see his face.

He pulls up.

He stops.

He looks at somebody who is with you.

Yeah, a senior member of our team, a female.

Okay.

Who's filming the bus?

Right.

She's filming, and

he

slams slams down the accelerator.

You'll hear the car peel out, and then you'll hear the thump of her being hit.

Listen, watch.

There's the bus going in.

Now comes the Border Patrol agent, and apparently his personal truck.

I mean, that's incredible.

Wow.

Wow.

He threw a stock at her.

He threw a stock at her.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

God.

I mean, that's insane.

Yeah, and for what reason?

Doesn't know us.

And if he did for a minute, all we do is support law enforcement.

But then he flees the scene of the crime.

He gets chased down to a red light, flees again, and it turns into a massive debacle because he is a Border Patrol agent in uniform.

Very unfortunate.

When you look at the video, too, he's not even looking forward where you would normally look when you're driving he's looking directly like with eye contact at this woman who he just tries to run over stops his vehicle comes to a stop looks at her and the stop is protocol for them and i found that out yeah because the gate has to close behind them so that no one can sneak into the gate so he follows that protocol so he's at least with wherewithal for that yeah And he knows, I mean, he's clearly looking at you guys on the corner.

And there's 10 people that he's looking at.

He's not just looking at, he's looking at this particular woman, woman,

but you don't see he misses me by six inches, maybe, enough for me to touch the truck, to slap the side of the truck, to yell, stop, because you just struck a human being with your vehicle.

So

now you might say, and

this will separate this show from the left and the rest of media.

You might say that that guy thought you were a bunch of lefties that were trying to do bad things to the Border Patrol.

Even if that's true, I hope he goes to jail.

You just don't do that.

You say that you just think this is something that is showing how close they are just to snapping the pressure they're under.

You know, Glenn, you do such a great job.

You and Stu on this show of just connecting dots for America.

You do an amazing job.

So if we just continue that thread connecting dots, earlier that day and the day before, I have interviews with state troopers.

And what you have to remember is not just Border Patrol.

We're using state troopers, National Guard, Texas Guard.

This is copybook the message on the border.

Anybody you talk to, sir, we are here to support the refugees.

And I say, son, he's 25.

No, you signed up for the U.S.

National Guard for a different reason than that.

Sir, we're here to support the refugees.

Then you could say, but they're not refugees.

Sir, we're here to support the refugees.

And what that says to me, and I look at this, the pressure that our law enforcement agents on the border are under because of the administration, The message and

the edict

and the mantra from the Biden administration, they're going to crack.

You're going to see this happen more and more and more.

We're seeing Border Patrol agents commit suicide.

This is a result, I believe, of an unholy pressure that's on our law enforcement from the administration.

Because can you imagine every day after day,

I'll show you kids being fished out of the river.

If you see that as a border patrol agent and you know you're not deterring illegal immigration, that pressure is going to mount up.

Something's going to snap.

But you are pressing charges against him, aren't you?

Yes, and so this is federal.

So the district attorney is taking it.

It's even in the Attorney General of Texas's office at the moment.

And the charges against him by the state, not even by us, is

aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, which is a felony.

And then second felony, fleeing the scene of a crime.

There's going to be a civil suit by the woman who was struck by the vehicle, rightfully so.

But there's a federal suit that's even got nothing to do with her.

So

he's in serious hot water at this moment.

And he's do we know anything about him and his record?

Yeah, we do.

And look, it's public knowledge.

His name's Roberto Durand.

No reference to the boxer, right?

But but and he's been with Border Patrol for a long time.

They call him Bobby.

And to what we know, no prior behavior like this, which again tells me it's just it's they're snapping.

These guys are snapping.

He doesn't know us.

He's never had any interaction.

If he knows anything about us, Glenn, you know.

He'll know.

These guys are with us.

They fight for us.

The day before, we delivered goods to Border Patrol, physical resources, right?

So I think this is unfortunate.

He has to, of course, he acted as an individual, and we'll see whether the state feels that the pressure was.

He was coming to him.

It doesn't matter.

He still should pay for

a crime.

I mean, you know, fleeing the scene is

almost as bad as the first one.

I mean, you know.

Two bad decisions.

Yeah.

You make a mistake,

you don't flee the scene.

And I think the peeling out of the tires.

Intentional.

Yeah,

speaks volumes.

Yeah.

Yako, thank you for everything that you're doing.

Let me ask you one more question.

When they filed this, I have heard that.

Because you had nine eyewitnesses?

Nine eyewitnesses who had sworn affidavits on site.

P.D.

took this very serious.

P.D.

separated himself from Border Patrol because PD can't arrest them.

It's got to come from Washington.

It's a whole, it's a debacle.

Unfortunately, Glenn, when that case was filed by P.D.

to the district attorney's office yesterday, they omitted to enter the eyewitness reports or the video.

What?

How is that possible?

It's not.

I mean, it's possible if it's done intentional.

It's not in the case file.

So now we had to go to the district attorney, also notified the attorney general to say, look, nine eyewitnesses signed affidavits on site.

None of it's in the case file.

It's a problem.

There's so much cover-up at the border, Glenn.

There's so much.

I mean, it's insane what's happening down there.

Guys who are working on the border,

you can't just let things fall where they fall.

Let the chips fall where they may.

Please,

I believe most people in the United States are with the Border Patrol.

You start covering, you start doing anything like this.

I know the pressure.

I know.

But you've got to be on the up and up.

And

I really, truly don't think I believe, and I know.

99% of our Border Patrol, our

law enforcement officials, et cetera, et cetera, are good guys.

Don't make excuses for the bad guys.

Let the chips fall where they may.

We've got to have somebody we trust.

And if you start doing stuff like this, you'll lose our trust.

And then what do we have?

What do we have?

Yako, thank you so much.

Thank you, thank you, Stu.

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Hey, the last Wednesday special was last night.

Yes.

And it was a big one.

DeSantis.

Ron DeSantis on the program.

Did you get to the bottom of whether we had talked to him before?

I feel like we have.

Yeah, we have.

We remember.

It's been a while.

He is...

I like him a lot.

I like him a lot.

Does he like you?

Because we know at some point you usually refer to a relationship.

Well, with politicians, because they'll end up doing something that is like, you can't just take your opponent away in handcuffs.

And then you'll complain about it, and then we'll never talk to you.

Right, exactly.

But it's so far, so good.

Here he is on the border situation.

This is Ron DeSantis from last night.

Now the story is that you are using migrant children for political purposes.

I assume this is because the federal government flew

illegals into your airports in the middle of the night without alerting anyone.

Is that correct?

Not only did they do that, Glenn, one of the people that they brought in, who they said was a minor, but was actually 24 years old, then committed a murder in the Jacksonville area.

And so it were not for Biden running this border the way he is and then ferreting people out in different communities, including Florida, that terrible crime would have never happened.

What Biden is doing is he is conducting the largest human smuggling operation in the history of our country.

This is intentional.

Donald Trump had policies that were working.

He reversed all those, knowing what the result would be.

I talked to him about, he's dead serious about the shipping them up to Martha's Vineyard.

Really?

Yeah.

He said,

I have to get the money.

And I said, if you need a bridge loan,

you know,

call me.

And

he said, I think we're going to get the money from the state to do it.

He said, but

this has got to stop.

And so when they have another plane that comes in,

he said, it's like CIA stuff.

We don't know when they're coming in and they'll just land.

He said, but we will find out when the next plane is coming in.

If we catch them, he said, we're just going to take them and we're going to put them on another plane and we're going to send them to Martha's Vineyard.

And he said, you know, it's time we stop this nonsense.

And I told him, if you can't get the money, call us.

We will raise $8 million for you to do that.

That we can do.

That we can do.

For plane loads of people going to Martha's Vineyard and Delaware?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think we can do that.

I think we can do that.

It'd be an honor to do that.

Here he is on

running for governor

and also running for president, cut 11.

Now, you're going to be running for governor, but they're going to say that, you know, any opponent of yours is going to say, he's just using the, you know, gubernatorial offices as a stepping stone.

In Florida, you're nothing but a stepping stone to the White House.

How would you respond to that?

Well, nobody has poured their heart and soul into this job more than me.

I think if you look at what we've been able to achieve, you look at me going across the state, meeting with people, delivering on promises, you know, that's what it's all about.

It's all about leadership, and we're going to continue to do it.

It's also interesting, like, you know, I don't go around saying anything about 2024.

Like, that's all just speculation that gets imposed on me.

But when I have my opponents will actually say, you know, if you re-elect him governor, then he's going to eventually get elected to something else.

Aren't they acknowledging that I've been a successful governor?

I mean, typically, if you get re-elected, you know, you must have done something right.

And if people are saying all this stuff, so, you know, but from the very beginning of when I ran for governor, you know, we kind of take it one day at a time.

And I want to say, what can I get?

What more can we be doing on a daily basis?

And so we're very active.

And when I became governor, I told myself, whoever succeeds me, I want the meat to be off the bone.

They're not going to have a lot to do because I'm going to take everything I can, the low-hanging fruit, the difficult fruit, and we're going to knock it out.

And you know, we have, Lennon, if you look at my inauguration speech, I've already accomplished everything I said I would do then.

And then we've done much more.

And that's the thing.

So many politicians promise big and then way under deliver.

We did promise big too, but we've actually over-delivered on those big promises.

I will tell you that I think that he's not going to run for president in 22.

Really?

Yeah, I think he's going to run for governor.

And

then when,

or not, sorry, not in 22, but 24.

I think Trump is going to run.

If Trump doesn't run, then maybe.

But if Trump runs, he's not going to.

He's just going to button that state up.

He's doing a great job in a purplish state.

Oh, yeah.

And, you know, they like him.

They like him.

He's doing a great job.

I think if Trump runs, he won't.

He'll wait four years.

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