Ep 119 | If the Deep State Can Ruin Gen. Flynn's Life, It Can Ruin Yours | Michael Flynn | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Well, a certain general has been up to no good.

He has undermined one president and pandered to another.

He has openly sworn allegiance to radical political ideologies.

He's been inappropriately partisan.

He has violated important values.

He's insulted millions of Americans who hold to those values.

He likely colluded with one of our enemies, maybe even committing treason.

I'm actually not talking about today's guest, although that's how the media has depicted him.

I'm actually talking about General Milley, who just happens to have fashionable politics, so nobody says anything.

He wants the woke military, so he's been celebrated.

He's been applauded for his political grandstanding.

I mean, it's only a matter of time before he gets nominated for a Nobel Prize or an Oscar.

Unfortunately, today's guest is a general with the wrong politics.

In better times, he would be known as a remarkable man with a ton of accomplishments.

He should be seen as an example of what an American can accomplish.

But because of the times we live in, he and his family have lived through hell.

He has been repeatedly slandered and demonized, harassed, defamed, forced to wear the scarlet letter.

He's been banned on Twitter.

Even his bank has canceled his credit cards and accounts.

Because continuing the relationship creates a possible reputational risk, does it?

Perhaps most of all, he was targeted by the FBI for several years with the guidance of James Comey himself.

Russia, Russia, Russia.

Remember, that's all we ever talked about.

Well, today's guest was an early victim of Russagate.

He was the guinea pig, the scapegoat.

He was the doorway to the president.

In the Democratics' political game, they had endless hatred and had to remove Donald Trump from the White House by any means necessary.

And they had to get him first.

Democrats had gone to great lengths to gain power, and they got it.

It's all theirs.

And now they've moved on.

But that's not the way justice works.

We're learning more and more about the truth of the Russia hoax.

It's scandalous to say the least.

In April, documents were released proving the FBI really did target today's guest.

That was their goal, to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired to get to Trump.

I've had some pretty controversial guests on this podcast.

One of the biggest reasons I started it is to have a conversation that you can't find anywhere else in an era that punishes people who disagree with

the norms of today.

Even by those standards, today's guest is at a level of controversy that is hard to even quantify.

He's a household name.

You say his name to anyone, and you will get a response, and it's usually intense one way or the other.

So today, welcome my podcast guest, General Michael Flynn.

General Flynn, it's an honor to have you.

True honor.

Thanks.

Thank you so much for having me on, Glenn.

I really appreciate it.

I appreciate your audience.

I appreciate what you have done

throughout your life, but also what you're doing for this country on a daily basis to really get the truth out.

Thank you.

I will tell you, and I want to get to this later, but

I was shocked at the boldness of the setup of you,

the way all of this went down.

And I think this podcast is so important because if they can do this to a three-star general and they can do it to the president of the United States and nobody seems to pay for it, what makes the average American think they're not going to do it to them?

Right.

And they do it to the average American people all the time, Glenn.

I call it the Department of Injustice or the Just Us Department

that they do it to people all the time.

I think the boldness, the boldness that America witnessed was not just the President of the United States, Donald Trump, but, you know, and it's not just a three-star general who served three and a half decades in the military, five years in combat.

It was the national security.

I was a national security advisor at the time, you know, one of the closest security advisors to the president of the United States.

But really, Glenn,

what the people in Washington, D.C., the deep state and all these characters that are now being held unaccountable, what they don't realize is that they did it to the American people.

Because the American people don't, you know, they might love the man, Donald Trump, and all that, but they believe in the Constitution and the presidency.

of this country, and they actually attacked the presidency, a duly elected president.

So therefore, they were attacking the American people.

And that's what these bureaucrats and these deep staters in Washington, D.C.

don't get, and they still don't get it.

Every time they attack me, they attack them.

I will tell you that

I don't think the American people are who, well, I know they're not, who the press think they are.

But the one thing that I know to be true is had Donald Trump colluded and taken money from the Russians and all of that,

his base would have turned on him.

They love Donald Trump, but they also have a sense of fairness and right and wrong.

And when the left dismisses what happened to Donald Trump and mocks it and laughs about it,

half of the country is very upset because it shows that they

are not just against policies or politics.

They are against the principles that have always driven this country that quite honestly, maybe we've been naive, but a lot of Americans still believe in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

here's

my thing these days with people as I go around and I talk to different groups of people about everything about this country.

My father, my mother, they handed off to my generation, to me and my brothers and sisters, a pretty great country.

My generation, this is why it's, I don't blame the kids, I don't blame the grandkids that I have.

I actually look at my generation and I say, we screwed this up because something that you just implied, certainly, is we've taken this for granted.

And

we have taken everything that we have for granted in this country.

And now all of a sudden we're realizing that for about

30 years, so the second half of my life,

there has been a shift in everything, education system, our government, you know, route of the financial system, everything that's going on.

And now we suddenly see the boldness of what just happened in this previous election, in the 2020 election for the presidency.

We've had fraudulent elections for over, well, over 100 years.

It goes back to the Tammany Hall days in New York City and certainly in Chicago.

But what the boldness that we just witnessed was They finally decided, you know what, we're just going to go for the gusto here, the full gusto, and we're going to take over the country.

And so now, what we see, and I don't know what you want to get into, but I mean, I, you know,

rhyme and verse about some of the issues in these latest bills that they're going to pass, and they're going to put additional burdens on the American people.

My thing, Glenn, my life, and this is where they were afraid of me, my life has been certainly military, and I can go back, you know, in all the years of, you know, the tactical stuff that I did.

But the second half of my career, I really got into the more the senior leadership of the U.S.

intelligence community, and I really began to understand the strategy and the policies that our country was getting itself involved in all over the world.

I mean, I was very against,

and I said it publicly, you know, later on

in my life, certainly when I became a civilian, I'm very outspoken about the decision to go into Iraq, as an example.

One of the greatest strategic failure-type decisions that we have had, certainly this century, because it caused so much mayhem and and and confusion and and uh and frankly, uh, you know, the death of many American service members.

And so, anyway,

my life has been around that sort of stuff.

And so all of a sudden I get involved in the political life of the country.

I get, I meet with Donald Trump, we connect, we have this great connection.

I was, you know, I got to help him out in the election run up to 2016.

And boy, I'm going to tell you you,

the quote unquote deep state, the intelligence community, particularly the intelligence community, and specifically the CIA,

people came after me.

Certainly the Clinton

machinery

came after me because when you're the National Security Advisor,

for the United States of America, not just for the country or for the

president, because I've always seen myself as somebody who is all about country first.

You know, my faith is certainly super important, but country first, and then the and then the person, right?

You know, if I didn't think that Donald Trump was going to ask me to do something legal, ethical, or moral, I would tell them that

I'm going to throw my stars down, so to speak, and walk out the door because it's always about country, what's best for the country, what's best for our Constitution.

And I know that the things that I would have become aware of, the things that I am aware of,

bastions of corruption inside of our federal government, particularly the United States government, Washington, D.C.

They did not want me mucking around in their world.

So, let me ask you this: let me go back a bit.

Is it because when you were DIA,

you were very outspoken on Islamicists,

different than Islamic.

Islamicist

is a very specific term term

and a very dangerous

element that we have to deal with.

You were very, very clear on that.

Was that

something that

you think was the beginning of their hatred towards you?

Yes, absolutely.

And because I pushed back on a number of what we call these national intelligence estimates that are all inside, this is inside baseball

on

the situation in Afghanistan, the situation in Iraq, the situation

in our fight against al-Qaeda.

When the message was, bin Laden's dead, Al-Qaeda's on the run,

that was not reality.

That did not reflect reality that we knew to be true.

And I'm a guy coming off the battlefield in my life in the military is really to try to help us win, not participate in wars.

And that could be another discussion if you want to go down that rat hole.

But I will tell you that

I was outspoken,

but I was outspoken inside of the chain of command.

So I never went out and went to the media and did anything like that.

I was very loyal to the Constitution, to my chain of command, and I would tell them, hey, this is not right.

And I would push back.

And

I wasn't going to be somebody who was going to be told, well, you just need to shut up and go away.

Because

I said, no, I'm not going to sign off on one of these estimates that the intelligence community puts out that says that

the entire intelligence community agrees that this happened.

And I was going to be one of those people that wasn't going to do it because we knew, my agency at the time knew that that wasn't the case.

And in fact, when we were saying,

when the political leaders were saying,

bin Laden's dead, Al-Qaeda's on the run, Al-Qaeda was actually rising.

And I think at that time, if I have the numbers right, I think that they were growing in like 24 nations around the greater Islamist world that you highlighted.

And, you know, you then fast forward after I got out of the military, and I wrote a book called The Field of Fight.

And it's a national bestseller.

And the field of fight, where I called out, this was after I got out of uniform, I called out the Obama administration because I was really deathly afraid.

you know, of what we were allowing to happen, that we were allowing the growth of this this radical form of Islamism and and I'm gonna tell you Glenn it's still it's still growing and it's on the move oh I think I think we're headed for controls I want to get to that here in a in a second

the media

will not leave you alone last week I think it was the salad dressed add dressing story that they were putting that you had said that they were putting the vaccine in salad dressing.

And I mean, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, I was reading an article.

It is ridiculous.

I was on a great podcast with a friend in Thrivetime USA.

And

there was an article.

We were talking about a totally different issue, but he right away started off with whatever was in the news that day about the latest message coming out of the White House on COVID vaccines.

And I said, have you seen this article?

where the California Institute of Technology in Santa Barbara, California is actually studying that.

And I just, so, so I said that, I said, have you seen this article where they're talking about putting some sort of vaccine into our salads?

And I, and I like as a, because it was an article that I read that morning.

And so now the media is like, well, he's a conspiracy theorist.

Now he's telling us that every, he's telling all these people that we're going to have it in, you know, in our, in our, I'm sure we're raising salads in our rubber.

You know, I got to tell you, if you're trying to get the people who are anti-vaxers to do it, you got to put it in some sort of a steak sauce.

We don't eat salads.

Yeah, they're after me, Glenn.

They're definitely after meat.

Oh, I know they are.

The story

that

the Citibank

stopped your family from doing Chase, Chase Manen.

Chase.

They were the ones that

stopped your family from doing business with the bank because

they felt it would do reputational harm.

Is that true, and what's what's the whole story?

Yeah, so great.

I appreciate you asking about this.

It's Chase Bank.

We had two accounts.

They sent us a letter and it was a very

curt letter.

And the letter said, and I posted it online, the letter said,

you represent reputational risk there, you know, Flynn family.

We had two accounts that were, that were basically they closed them.

They would no longer do business with them.

We never missed a payment in those accounts.

You know,

my credit, you know, has, is, is really superb, always has been.

I've been one of these guys that my wife and I, you know, we pay all of our bills on time, always did with these two accounts.

So then all of a sudden we get this letter, and my wife is like really upset about it.

And it was embarrassing and, you know, and I'm like, reputational risk.

And so,

you know, Chase Bank, and I think we had those accounts for about 10 years.

So Chase Bank doesn't want to have us do business anymore.

But then, one of the things I said to my wife, I go, So, what's that mean?

You know, we talked about it because we kind of do our own little family finance stuff.

And

I said, so do they still want us to pay the annual fee?

You know, do they still want us to have this thing pay the annual fee?

So, I told my wife, I said,

you know, cancel those damn things right now.

We're not paying these guys another dime.

And I'm really upset about this, and I'm going to make it a public thing.

So, I put it out on my social media because I was just really irritated that,

you know, and then one of their excuses was that Flynn is a common name and it was an operational oversight and should have never happened because Flynn is a common name.

I kid you not.

That I have on record.

So,

you know, Flynn's not a common name.

And certainly Michael Flynn, anybody that understands banking and records and how they do these kinds of things, they got to make a conscious decision about this.

So

I am upset about it.

It was embarrassing.

It should never happen.

And now we're here we are on the on Blaze TV talking about it.

And I know, I know that many millions of Americans, and maybe that number's, maybe I'm

saying too much there, but it's not maybe millions, but it's certainly people that heard about this, because I've been contacted by people who have big accounts with Chase.

who said, I just want to confirm with you because I'm no longer going to do business with Chase.

And I said, yep, that happened.

And here's what I think happened.

And there's my two cents.

And so Chase made a huge error because

like Washington, D.C.

does sometimes and the mainstream media does sometimes, they don't get the sentiment of the American people and how many American people got behind my family and I.

And I've said this elsewhere, Glenn.

The American people.

you know, for the last four years of five years of my life, have been buddy breathing with me and my family to help us survive because they felt such an affront because as you said up as you said at the beginning of the show if they can do this to me they can do this to them and i know that there have been people that have come to me particularly and my family that have given us their their their sort of life story about how the department of justice went after them just because they could

and the department of justice and i'll say it here as i've said it publicly uh they are all about convictions and not the truth.

That's what they're, the Department of Justice, particularly the attorney, you know, if they'll watch this because they're watching everything that I do and they're going to go, oh, that son of a gun, Flynn, there he goes again.

Well, you know what?

Quit seeking conviction and let's help find the truth.

That's what you're supposed to do as a lawyer.

And if you're a prosecutor, you know, don't prosecute.

We got massive problems with illegal immigration.

We got massive problems with still with the opioid crisis and drug cartels bringing drugs into this country.

We got massive, you know, we have massive massive corruption inside of our own government.

We have massive problems overseas.

Focus on the problems that our country actually has to deal with instead of kowtowing to the political left in this country and doing their bidding.

If you're a lawyer of any salt, that's what you need to do.

I will tell you,

General, that I'm one of those families that stood with you.

We don't do business with Chase, nor will I ever do business with Chase

because of that.

That was a very,

very disturbing um thing that i honestly don't think was an was an accident but

um let me let me go to how we got here um

the the first of all tell me personally what it was like to go through this russia witch hunt what did it feel like to you

yeah it was horrible it was a horrible sense of of betrayal

by uh our own united elements within our own U.S.

government.

A huge, huge betrayal.

And everything that we know now, and we're finding out more and more.

And I think this latest indictment on this sussman character.

So every day, more evidence comes out of the betrayal, not just of me.

I mean, I'm a pretty upbeat guy, honestly.

And I'm not a vindictive, I don't want to have hate in my heart, Glenn.

But

they betrayed they, being the elements of our federal government, the Justice Department, the intelligence community,

people that were in our White House, our previous White House, previous to

Donald Trump.

They betrayed me, therefore they betrayed our country.

And so it was really hard.

It was really, really hard.

From the Federalists, there's five points that they bring up on this suspin thing.

And they say fifth prevalent rejoiner played over the last week involved invoking the name of Michael Flynn.

Even if true, the Washington Post editorial board wrote, the Sussman episode is far less alarming than the case of former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.

What is it that they claim still that you did?

I mean, the evidence is clear.

You know,

one of the fascinating components of this story, one of the senior agents, FBI agents, by the name of Barnett,

and you can go pull this up, unless they've taken it all down, October of 2020.

So the name Barnett is an FBI agent, very senior guy, and he was one of the lead agents for Crossfire Hurricane.

Crossfire Hurricane was the investigation with this whole Russian gate, right?

So Agent Barnett in October of 2020.

So,

you know, just out a year ago now, October of 2020, after the Mueller investigation is over with, my case had been dismissed by the Department of Justice after a special counsel investigated the investigator, so to speak, and found egregious government misconduct.

The Department of Justice says case dismissed.

That was in May of 2020.

In October of 2020, so fast forward about whatever that is, four or five months.

Barnett gives essentially a deposition, an affidavit, a 302, and it's about nine pages.

In that 302, which is really, really stunning, he basically says the entire effort, the entire crossfire hurricane effort was get Flynn to get Trump.

And that's the senior and one of the lead agents, Barnett is his name, for Crossfire Hurricane.

So for all of this, they just love to bring in the disgraced former National Security Advisor, lied to the FBI, and then had to get a pardon by Trump.

They leave out all the stuff in the middle.

You know, the lying to the FBI, I didn't lie to the FBI.

The FBI changed the 302.

And what is a 302?

What's a 302?

Okay, yeah, good, good.

Yeah, 302 is

a document.

So if you get interviewed by the FBI,

they write it down in something called

a 302, which is a document that the FBI uses to capture the essence of a conversation that they have with anybody.

Got it.

So anybody that the FBI talks to, they're supposed to write a 302.

And it's kind of like an affidavit.

You know, it's a legal binding document.

And so, you know, they don't have to record their conversations.

So they took notes, and we now have the majority of those notes from that meeting.

And they said they, during that meeting, they said I didn't lie.

They then changed the outcome of the 302.

Normally a 302 is supposed to be done within five days.

They were still messing around with mine.

I think it was four or five months later, where Andy McCabe, before he was fired by Trump, was still mucking around with it.

So we now know that they changed the 302.

They changed the tone of the conversation that I had with those FBI agents.

They admitted that I didn't lie to them.

You know, I mean,

at the time, I had, you know, I mean, I'm when I'm in my last days or my last day with Trump, and I think Trump felt very uncomfortable.

And he and I have had many conversations since then,

since my parting, because I didn't talk to Trump.

I hadn't talked to Trump once from the night I left the White House until the day that he called me up and said, hey, I got to give you a pardon here.

And it's called a pardon of innocence, Glenn.

It's really not something that's normally given because I wasn't guilty of anything.

I was never convicted of anything.

So this is what's stunning is they did this to the National Security Advisor of the United States of America, and they did it really at the height.

So at the height of the Mueller investigation was when all this was coming to a head because, and I say the height, it was really the beginning of the Mueller investigation.

All the other characters that now the world knows that came out of the Mueller investigation, the principal character that they needed, because the other guys really,

sadly, didn't really matter, but they still were taken to, you know, they were still, their families were hurt,

they really needed a guy like me.

So then I go through, you know, essentially a couple of years of cooperation.

And, you know, and I think that they were looking for me to give up anything, you know, to say anything.

And I'm like, I'm one of these very,

you know, and I hope your audience and hope you get a sense of me talking right now.

And I'm one of these very, like, you know, I'm a very honest guy, very, you know, I mean, ask me some.

If I don't know it, I don't know it.

If I do, I'll tell you.

I'm not going to bullshit anybody.

Excuse my Irish.

But,

you know, because my business was saving people's lives on the battlefield as a soldier,

as an intelligence officer, especially as an intelligence officer, that, you know, and I served in combat on the battlefield where I was responsible for, you know, the deaths or the lives of people.

So

my life is not like what they portray it to be.

And that's our media, but that's, and you know this.

I mean, you know, the people know this.

The American people don't trust the institutions of government.

They don't trust the media.

And

they're discovering other past.

And that's a sad state of things.

And I will tell you, for all of the, all of the people that listen to this that are trying to find out if there's some snippet that Mike Flynn gives that, you know, whatever, that they can use against me,

the more that they do that and the more distrust they bring to themselves, the more the American people have run to my aid and to the aid of

those of us in the country.

I'm going to tell you,

they don't trust it.

I can go at Lynn, you know, rhyme in verse.

They don't trust the intelligence community.

They don't trust the Department of Justice.

They're now not trusting the Department of Defense.

And to a degree, they don't trust our senior military leaders because of this debacle in Afghanistan.

Nobody can be that incompetent, right?

They don't trust, you know, the white.

I mean, they just, trust is such an important

commodity.

It's the glue that holds us together.

If we don't have faith and trust in the institutions, we don't, we really don't have

anything.

I will tell you, too, that I told Donald Trump this when

I think it was during Kavanaugh.

I had changed my opinion of Donald Trump because I saw what he was doing.

And his policies were not the policies that I thought he was going to implement.

They were sound policies.

So I,

you know, I go on the air and say, I just want to admit I was wrong on this.

Thank God I was wrong on this because I thought we were headed for a horror show.

And then

I saw what they were doing to him and then what they were doing to Kavanaugh.

And I got on the air and I said, the media is making me a bigger Trump supporter than I've ever been.

I mean, because it's, you see this injustice and this

vendetta against him.

So let me ask you, on the Trump front,

I have my theories on why he could not be president, and everybody thinks the media was so mad at themselves because they helped him get elected.

I don't think so.

I think that there is this great reset agenda and Donald Trump would have never gone along with it.

And they all had their plans of what the world was going to be like.

And he was upsetting that and he had to go.

Why do you think he was targeted like no one else has ever been targeted?

Like ever, ever.

This has never happened in our history.

And frankly,

our nation is going through a massive, massive transition.

And we're going to have to make a decision here, you know, if not now, then very soon about which direction our country goes.

So why?

Because Trump, you know, Trump was on, he, as a, as a guy, not a New York businessman, he played both sides.

You know, one day he can be a good Democrat.

One day he can be a good Republican, a dependent.

So Trump knew.

He knew that sort of depth, you know, of ugliness

within that world of hollywood new york media the washington dc you know he sort of had a very good fingertip feel for what was happening and he always talked as everybody knows he always talked one of these days i'm going to get involved in paul i'm going to run for president one of these days and because i think i can fix this right i mean you know that's that's the that's the mindset that he had and so So Donald Trump decided one day, you know, and I met with him in 2015.

It was right after he announced.

I met with him right in the early days of his announcement.

And I will just tell you that when he got involved, it was a joke.

It was a big joke.

But I will tell you, in all my conversations with Donald Trump,

candidate Trump, because I'm one of these guys, you know, I'm a stay out of war kind of guy.

I'm a military guy.

I mean, you know, everybody that Trump hired after me were like of the neocon crowd, right?

So I'm not one of these, you know, I'm a military guy that's very practical.

So we talked about practical things.

We talked about practical foreign policy.

We talked about trade agreements.

We talked about

big national security issues.

We talked about domestic issues that had a national security bent.

So Donald Trump, they knew that Donald Trump was going to come in and not have these radical ideas.

He was actually, I mean, he was going to have very common sense, very basic American values type ideas.

And so what they needed to do is they needed to turn him into this, you know, this womanizing, you know, grotesque figure of a man that was going to that was going to ruin the united states of america right and and and of course he's up against the machine not only the democratic left machine but the clinton machine and you know hillary clinton didn't even she didn't really she was kind of like in the biden mode but in 2016 she really didn't campaign much in the last couple of weeks of uh of 2016 before the election you know she didn't go to a couple of states and because they i think the system was rigged i say it was rigged then it just wasn't the mail-in ballot rig right You know, so Trump comes into office and they had to keep beating and beating and beating on him, which they did.

And it turns out the guy's actually doing so many good things, you know, reducing

all the different, you know, all the negative factors and he's increasing all the positive factors.

And people are turning around going, wow.

And the media kept hammering him for Russia, Russia, Russia, which is false, false, false.

And

then here we are with,

because

I do have some things that I think that Trump needs to do now, but that he should have done then.

And I was not there to help.

Because one thing that I did have was a good relationship, and I still do.

And

I still think

he would continue to make a great president, as imperfect as he is,

because he's a very practical, sound

policy type guy that looks at common sense.

And

when he says, make America great again, it's all of the different aspects of our lives.

But I do think that he trusted people in his administration, particularly after I left.

And as things waned into 2019 and 2020, he trusted people, particularly on this COVID issue and

the,

you know, some of the some of the people that we now know that were behind what we're facing now, you know, Fauci to be one.

You know, and so

there's some people that he listened to that, frankly, Glenn, and this is for your audience, I hope that, you know, as you play this out,

I don't really pay any attention to the Democrats anymore, and I won't use that word again.

I don't pay any attention to them anymore because I know what their game plan is.

I know what their war strategy is.

What I worry about, Glenn, is I worry about the Republicans in name only.

I worry about the Republican establishment.

And the Republican establishment in this country,

they have lost touch with the base.

I don't think they've lost touch.

I don't think they like the base of the party.

Yeah, it's a better way to put it.

Yeah, I agree.

I completely agree.

As I go around, I just

spend these weekends going around to these different rallies that we're having, that we're holding with a group of people who care about the country.

And we're, you know, we're national security, we're, you know, independent media.

We are doctors now because of the COVID nonsense and I call it the COVID confusion.

You know,

So we're going around doing these rallies.

And I'm telling you, we have 3,000, we just had about 5,000.

We have 12,000 showing up.

And these are very active.

These are people that are,

they're from all places in the country.

They're not just from the flyover states.

We did a big rally

in Anaheim, California,

a while ago.

We just did one in Colorado this past weekend.

So

the sentiment of the American people right now is they can, you talk about some Republican senator or you talk about the Republican establishment, and I mean they're like, you know, you should hear the boos and hisses coming from

you can talk about the other side, the left, right?

And everybody knows that

it's basically a communist view

of

a direction that is, that we are being dragged by the nose hairs along.

And so they don't even care.

It's like they care about that, but it's not, they don't see that as the problem.

They see the problem.

This is America now.

This is the American sentiment.

And I believe that it's a, I, I, I have a really good feel for this because I've, I've, this is my business is to, is to get around and I, and I, and my intelligence collection, right?

My, yeah, my judgment of what I'm seeing in this country.

They do not trust, because we talked about trust of institutions, they don't trust the Republican establishment anymore.

You're exactly right.

They really don't.

Because, I mean, Glenn.

We lost faith there.

We lost faith there before we lost faith in other institutions.

They were first.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So, you know, let's face it.

So we just had this

latest hearing in Arizona for the audit, right?

Now, you know, the media right away, and I honestly, I don't know where you guys stood on it, but the media, the big media right away said, even before the hearing started, they said, well, we, you know, nothing to see here.

We had a leaked report, and uh, Biden won.

In fact, he won by more votes than whatever in Arizona.

Well, you know, actually, I don't even think that there was a leaked report because if there was, I dug around in my network and I didn't get a leaked report.

You know, I don't know if you got a leaked report, I didn't get one, but I but I heard all the nonsense coming out of the media, and so I think that they just made that up.

And I think that they then they made up the fact that let's let's beat this before the thing even starts on this Friday afternoon, before the hearing even starts.

So, just one piece of evidence, one piece of evidence that came out of that hearing.

There were a million,

well, so in late February timeframe, there was a deletion of files, knowing that the subpoena was coming, knowing that the audit was coming.

And I believe that they have this on tape, okay, for the person that's out there that did this.

They actually have this on videotape.

So, during the hearing, they said there was a million pieces of evidence that were destroyed.

Well, federal election law, and there's some statute, you know, 50211 or something like that, if I remember the numbers right, but don't hold me to that, that says every one of those pieces of evidence that was destroyed comes with a $10,000 fine, and I think it's a one-year,

you know,

in jail.

I mean, it's all felony.

It's a felony.

So they did that in February.

That was briefed in the hearing.

So now you're going to tell me that there was no fraud.

And when I hear Republicans talking about, well, we've had fraud, like I can, I know, I can give you some names here, but they've been public about it.

they, uh, when they say, well, you know, a little bit of fraud, it's, oh, yeah, we have fraud in every election.

I don't care if it's one dead voter, I agree.

You know, I don't care if it's one shadow of ghost.

We should, we cannot have because that's the other institution.

And frankly, so let me, I'll shut up here.

Uh, the other institution that nobody in our country has faith in any longer is the institution of our election process, which is the most sacro-sanct privilege that we have.

Because, guess what, Glenn, it makes me equal to you on that day, and our vote is supposed to count equally.

Well, what we just learned is that it doesn't.

We have a massively broken system.

It's got to be fixed.

And I'm not sure the country can move forward

until someone is held accountable.

I had this conversation with somebody in the house, and they were talking about

the fraud and the possible thraw fraud and everything else.

And we ought to move on.

And I said, America cannot move on.

It cannot move on.

You must have a legitimate hearing and a legitimate process that is completely transparent and led by leaders of

the community that everybody trusts.

You know what I mean?

You have to have a real hearing on this.

And I've said this from the beginning.

I don't know if there were enough votes to, you know, vote him out of office or keep him in office.

I don't know.

But I do know this.

Something was wrong.

Something was very, very wrong.

So whether it would have kept him in office or not, I don't know, but that has to be solved.

Let me ask you about January 6th because,

you know, my stance on this was, and quite honestly, you'll never convince me that that was a fair election.

I just don't believe it.

I just don't believe it.

Maybe it was, but I don't believe it.

However, when it came to January 6th, there's nothing in the Constitution on January 6th that would have allowed anybody to

overturn that and keep him because of the Constitution's rules.

And it seems unfair, even if we would, let's say Arizona, we found out it was massive fraud.

The Constitution doesn't afford anything as a remedy to that.

Once the president has been voted by the states and the electors, it's done.

And if you don't have that solved by January 20th, well, I don't think there is a, if you don't,

it must be done by January 20th.

So what did you think on January 6th?

And I'm not talking about the

worst thing since the Civil War.

I'm talking about the what should have been done.

The decision.

Yeah.

The constitutional process

in

the Senate.

I think that's really your question.

And I think that's an important issue because we have a constitutional process, and

it has been adjusted, I think, one time where it was late in March when, and I think this is back in the era of Lincoln,

but that constitutional process on the 6th of January, the decision was made.

Some tactics that I disagreed with was there were senators that came in in the morning with they were going to vote not to not to certify.

And then in the afternoon, because of what happened there, they voted to certify.

And I'm not sure, like, so what changed?

You were voting on the constitution or the not?

Yeah.

Right, right,

exactly.

So that process, that decision was made constitutionally with all of

the right players.

And so we move forward, right?

We move forward as a nation.

That doesn't mean, though, that we cannot continue to dig in

to find out if this election actually was fraudulent.

Because it can't happen again.

Glenn, there's hundreds of precedent

in other elections, down in federal elections and in state elections down below the presidency that have been overturned because of in time, more evidence comes out, there's court, you know, there's this fight,

somebody doesn't concede and they fight for the seat.

The gal up in up in New York, 22, and I forget her name now, but she continued to fight and she won the seat, you know, because she found that there was fraud in her particular election

in the New York congressional race as part of the three November.

So

now what we're talking about, though, is we're talking about the presidency and the media is beating up on everybody and

calling us all conspiracy theorists, like you saying, well, you're a conspiracy theorist if you believe that the three november election was fraudulent i believe it wasn't done properly i do i do i actually don't care whether in fact i don't this is not about trump i mean i'll get out there and i'll say trump was a great president i'm i i support the guy i still support the guy but this is an american issue yep and i said earlier that america is at a massive transition point right and that transition point is we are going to go down a path of socialism or communism but we're going to go down this path of this continuation of the experiment in democracy called the Constitutional Republic.

I don't really care about Trump because all of us are a blip on the historic screen of life of this country.

If we want to continue to last

for 200 more years as a constitutional republic, we have got to get this resolved.

Amen.

To have a fraudulent election at a congressional district and get it overturned, that's one thing.

But we're talking about the presidency.

I ain't talking about President Trump right now.

I'm talking about the presidency of the United States of America.

And I can tell you, from an American, as an American,

as a guy who still, I mean, I grew up in a, in a, you know,

you know, I'd love to just talk about my family, but I grew up in a, in a, in a tough family.

And my father retired as a sergeant from the Army, 20-year vet, World War II Korea Irishman, right?

I mean, and our life was kicking the rear

as he was getting you out of bed in the morning because you were trying to oversleep.

And he's telling you, go deliver the newspapers at five o'clock.

What I'm telling you is that the American people do not trust what happened.

And I will, and the other thing that I would say is that nobody voted for the, for what we are facing right now.

We're facing, I think we're somewhere between five and 6%

inflation rate.

We've got, you know, the gas down the street from my house is, I think, $3 more than when it was a year ago.

I mean, you know, we're paying a couple extra dollars

for a gallon of milk.

You know, we, you know, there's jobless.

I mean, there's a lot of things happening that we say to ourselves as Americans, I didn't vote for this.

I didn't vote for this at all.

And that's where the sentiment of the American people out there,

that's what they feel.

And

that includes, I think, Glenn, probably

half of the other party.

You know, I really do believe that there's a lot of sleepers out there now that go, ooh, wait a second, I'm not sure.

I have remorse now.

I have remote, you know, voters' remorse.

Yeah.

I hope you're right.

One of the things that I saw that I thought was very hopeful

was during this dishonorable debacle in Afghanistan, that America collectively woke up.

And to me, that shows that there is still a Judeo-Christian ethic out there of honor and integrity and tell the truth.

And we don't see it very often.

But that was so shocking to the American people that we would leave our own behind and leave our friends behind.

I think that

I think that said good things about the American people, horrible things about

our ruling class.

Yeah.

So I'll just briefly

talk about Afghanistan because what did I feel when that happened?

Not just the attack, but how we were leaving.

And then the attack happened.

You know, the attack against these 13 brave souls

who,

you know,

just so sad.

I was actually irritated with our military more than I was with the White House because I just know the incompetency of the people there, literally the incompetency, because I know these people.

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I want to let's let's dive into this carefully because I

people tell me that Joe Biden is not really there.

He's not in control of his faculties.

I'm not sure that's entirely true.

I think he has, you know, maybe non-lucid non-lucid moments, but I think he knew about this.

And I think the

leadership at the Pentagon knew exactly what it was going to cost, but they didn't have the balls to do anything different.

Yeah.

How accurate is that?

We're not that.

I think it's very accurate.

I think that we're not that stupid.

The military is not that stupid.

This is tactics 101.

They teach these kind of case studies of how to do these kinds of military operations in infantry career courses for young officers.

I mean, so we're not that incompetent at all.

So there's got to be a level of knowledge and complicity is a really strong word to use here.

Let me just go back one second on the American people, the honor, and that you talked about.

I also think that the American people are still the most forgiving.

Yes.

And if we do something wrong and

you admit it, right, you say, I did something wrong.

I'm sorry.

I wasn't thinking or whatever.

The American people will forgive.

I agree.

So Afghanistan, I think that's a big deal.

I think forgiveness is one of the biggest character traits of the American citizen.

One of the greatest strengths that we have is the ability to forgive.

Not forget, but forgive.

Afghanistan is an unforgiving

debacle, and the American people are not going to let this one go because we still have American citizens.

And I know this for a fact that are left behind

enemy lines.

And I know you're helping out in an extraordinary way.

And I appreciate that

from just

from a guy who served over there a long period of time and know how horrendous these people are that we're facing.

But there's these efforts to get these brave Americans out of there who are just our friend.

Our nation surrendered.

We surrendered to the Taliban.

We retreated under fire.

And

we basically left American citizens behind enemy lines.

I mean, that's the only way I can say it.

Again, we're not that stupid.

We're not that incompetent.

So there's a level of complicity here that's really dangerous.

So why?

You know, why?

Let me just give you my minute on that.

I think why is because part of it is I think when we talk about institutions and faith in institutions, the last bastion of integrity, and I think that the American people still have faith in is our military.

I really believe that.

I have to believe it, because moms and dads are still sending their sons and daughters to serve, but not in droves anymore.

And I'm going to be paying very close attention to our recruiting numbers here this year and next year, because I think they're going to be down because of what just happened.

Oh, yeah.

So I think that this administration actually wants to put a body blow into the military's integrity and into the military, you know, the confidence that the American people have in the military.

I actually think that that's, I mean, I don't, I can't understand, I can't explain it in any other way other than to say this.

General, you are, I mean, I'm sorry, I have tried to give the benefit of the doubt.

But again,

something, if it was a mistake, if it was, you know, not intentional, occasionally things would break to the American side.

But everything that is being done is destroying us or the institutions.

It's dividing us.

You couldn't come up with a better plan.

You just couldn't.

Yeah.

Glenn, I was on the phone the other day, Saturday, I believe, early Saturday morning.

So this is Monday, early Saturday morning, whatever that date is, the 24th maybe,

of September, with a friend who was on his way and

he was at the Del Rio Bridge in texas where the haitians were right because i'm bringing i'm i'm i'm making an analogy of what it is that we're talking about now with afghanistan and so he got down there and he said you're not going to believe this he goes they're all gone so remember the pictures of friday you know all last week of these haitians underneath the he goes they're gone and i said what do you mean they're gone he goes yeah they must have pulled them out of here last night because we're not seeing those pictures anymore right because

the the uh and the administration is you know will tell you i think i think think what they're going to try to say is, well, we pushed them all back.

No, they didn't.

They put them on planes, trains, and automobiles, and they shipped them all over the country because

they didn't want that media attention anymore.

And this was a guy that was going down there to do some,

he was going to get down there and do some investigation and some work to see

how he could help.

They're gone.

He says they're gone.

I said, what the hell do you mean they're gone?

He goes, they're gone.

There's just trash down here.

It's trashed.

And now I was told this morning, in fact, a few minutes before coming on your show, that we're now looking at about another 100,000 people from multiple countries that are on their way up the up through Mexico now to come to the border again.

You know, I lived, I was stationed at Fort Wachuca, Arizona, which is a border, which is federal property of military installations.

It's the home of the Army Intelligence Center and School.

And I was stationed there multiple times, particularly in the, you know, not, you know, right before the war started 20 years ago.

And we used to have 10,000 illegals a month crossing federal property at that time.

That was 2002, 2004 timeframe.

I mean,

so when we look at Afghanistan and we look at the decision-making that happened there,

and we look at the decision-making that's happening at our own border, because the border is a

the reason, there's a reason why we put locks on doors.

There's a reason why we put walls up around our fences up around our neighborhoods, right?

Because you want to keep people out and you want to keep things, the right things in.

And so we have a White House, because I agree with you.

I'm not a doctor.

I mean, you know, does Joe Biden look like he doesn't know what's going on sometimes?

Yeah, he does.

Absolutely.

Does he go off a script?

Yeah, he does.

You know, I'm not a doctor to diagnose his mental health, but the decisions, the decision-making, man, I served at the highest level of our government to support decision-making.

And we made decisions.

early on before I did get out of the, you know, before I did have to depart the White House.

So I know what that means.

And the decisions being made by this White House are really just decisions that are so against the American psyche and so against the fabric of our Constitution.

And I actually think that they're working towards, as I said, a transition towards a different form of government in this country.

And you've been talking about this for a long time, Glenn.

We can't kid ourselves.

It's too late to kid yourself about it.

Let me talk about General Milley for a second.

You know, he made a phone call to China and said,

hey, listen, we're not going to attack.

If something like that would come up, I'll call you in advance.

That's not the kind of conversation that the Logan Act came gunning for you on.

Where does that fall to you as a general?

For Millie to make that phone call to talk about an attack

while the president was, it's not a transition.

The president was seated at the time.

He was working for that president.

Duly elected president.

He's a duly elected president of the United States of America.

Mark Milley is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

And staff is a key word, and I'll say why here in a second.

By law, is the senior military advisor to the president of the United States of America.

And

the beauty of our Constitution has placed the military as a subordinate to

the political class of our country, to the president, right?

That's why one of the hats that the president wears is

the commander-in-chief.

So for Milley to have done what he did, he was usurping the authority.

He was breaking the law.

He was in violation of the law, really,

but he was usurping the authority of the duly elected president of the United States at the time, Donald J.

Trump.

And he was basically

indicating,

giving our enemy,

the military,

we don't look at

China as a competitor like the Commerce Department would or as a colleague as the State Department would.

We're the military.

Our business is to fight and win our nation's wars and not to, you know, not to pussyfoot around.

So for Millie to have called up his counterpart and say, hey, don't worry if we attack, I'm going to call you, you know, and for Trump to find out about this after the fact, because obviously he's finding out about this conversation that Millie had just recently, you know,

because of this book that's out.

I mean, Millie should, should, he should resign the fact that that came out.

He should throw his stars down and say, you know, not throw his stars down.

He should, you know, humbly hand them in to somebody.

We cannot,

again,

back to the American people.

The American people, Mark.

That's Mark's, that's Millie's first name.

The American people, Mark, do not have faith and confidence in you any longer because of what we just discovered.

And you have not come out and denied it.

He has not come out and denied it.

And I know Mark Milley.

I've known him for a long time.

I know Lloyd Austin.

I actually know Lloyd Austin better than I know Mark Milley.

And I know these guys.

This is not good for the Constitution of the United States of America, which is what I adhere to.

It's not good for the presidency.

It's not good for the military.

And it's not good for the people of this country, because the people of this country, when they start to have, when they start to lose faith in our uniform, those who wear the cloth of the military, and our uniform service members at the senior level, when they lose faith, they no longer send their sons and daughters to serve our country.

That's dangerous because that's not only about the health of the institution of the military, it's the health of the institution of our country.

If we don't have young men and young women who

willingly sign on the dotted line and give their lives for you and I to have this kind of a conversation, you know, a public discourse about

what's happening in our country.

We're in trouble, Glenn.

We're in trouble, Glenn,

with that element of our government, that institution of our government, when people start to lose faith in the leaders of our military.

You know, set aside the public.

It's not just losing faith in the military, the American people.

It is also all of our allies.

I mean, I can't imagine.

Can you imagine

what would happen

if you were still National Security Advisor and the President refused to take a phone call from the British Prime Minister?

Would you have known about it?

How many people would have known that for 40 hours the British Prime Minister was trying to reach the president?

Everybody, everybody in the White House, everybody in the inner circle, because I can tell you from a National Security Advisor's perspective, believe me, those relationships are

extraordinary and they have to be open and honest between national security advisors of different countries.

And

I spoke to damn near every national security advisor of

probably half the world, Glenn, going into that job.

You know, the one that comes out is, you know, of course,

my conversation with the ambassador of Russia, right?

That's like, oh, my God.

But so, yeah, so everybody around the president would know that is in a key position,

the chief of staff, the national security advisor, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State would all have been receiving phone calls from their counterparts saying, you know, WTH, right, instead of the other one, WTH,

what's going on there?

What's happening?

We are seriously concerned.

So

that's another ugly episode of American leadership.

And I use the word leadership, you know, in a really unsatisfying way

because that's what we're up against.

I mean, that's what we're facing a group of people.

Talk about cabals and the use of word cabals, right?

Cabals for the great reset.

The cabal inside of the White House right now, and that includes Susan Rice, who we have not mentioned, I have not mentioned her name, Susan Rice.

So she's in there as

an assistant to the President of the United States for God knows what.

She's got a title, but boy, I think she's doing a lot more.

And so anyway, I just, she'd be another one.

People would be calling all these different key people to say,

hey, we need some help here.

And then, and then, you know, not to mention this issue with this nuclear issue out in the Pacific with the Australians and where the French got upset, right?

I mean, these are big, big deals with our alliances and our partnerships and

those who are friendly to us around the world

who are starting to see what's happening to America.

And

I'll tell you what's going to happen.

What's going to happen, Glenn, is when the going gets tough, and it's going to get worse here, Glenn, that the sacrifices are going to be greater going forward than they are, and

we've already felt.

So, when the going gets tough, these alliances will turn on us, and they'll turn on us quickly, particularly with this crowd that's in the White House right now,

because a lot of America feels they're illegitimate.

I think that these leaders around the world, at least the ones that have kept any legitimacy with their own people,

they look at what's going on and they're like, oh man, we can't deal with these guys, especially if they're not being honest, fourth rate, if they're not returning our calls, and we've been with them for years.

Tell me about China.

I mean, they are playing chess, and we're not even playing checkers.

We're playing hopscotch at some other playground.

China is making overtures.

They're playing Chevy.

Yeah.

So, because I know because of time, but so the big winner, okay, the big winner for your audience and for anybody that watches this on any social media, the big winner is China.

So, the big winner,

the last century was a U.S.

century.

China made a commitment that this century was going to be the century of China.

Okay, that's big strategic 60,000-foot level.

Big winner in Afghanistan, China.

The big winner on the global stage right now, China.

So,

the Chinese military is actually,

they are starting to be on a footing with the U.S.

military.

Why?

Because they've stolen a lot of our technology and they just rebuilt it.

They've stolen the blueprints to make drones.

They've stolen the blueprints to make anti-aircraft weapon systems.

They've stolen the blueprints to make jets.

I mean, guarantee that that kind of stuff has happened.

So, and they are smart.

They are inside of our federal government.

They're inside of our education system.

And this didn't happen because of Donald Trump.

This has been going on for the better part of

probably four or five decades.

I can tell you it's been going on for at least the last two and a half decades.

And I can almost pinpoint the timeframe when it really began in earnest in the 90s, in the mid to late 90s.

So China's the big winner right now.

We have to really pay close attention, Glenn.

I think if there's any legitimacy to anybody that's still in our government that still feels that they have

any passion for our Constitution and they're in a senior position in our U.S.

government,

they need to step up

and speak out

and be brave because the American people want accountability and the American people,

they not only deserve this, but they are leadership positions, and that's courage.

Selfless courage, you know, with an element of humility that we need in our country right now.

But

we're in a tough spot.

I'm not going to hold back.

We're in a tough spot, Glenn.

And

you talk about this all the time.

You've been talking about it for a long time.

Even in your case, and

play it or not, but the media

and the left tries to buttonhole who you are, right?

You've been through this.

I've been watching your career and watching what you've done in the media.

And actually,

you bring an an element, a huge element of honesty and forthrightness and no nonsense, no bullshit to the media.

And

in this first media interview we've had, we've never met.

Never met.

I'm just telling you that I know, I know what our country is feeling right now.

I do.

And I feel it because I'm just a regular guy.

I made it to general through a public university.

Okay.

I'm not a West Point guy.

I worked my ass off and I deployed.

I took the hard jobs that nobody else wanted.

And so, you know, I'm an Irish kid from a family of nine.

And my father, and like I said, I wasn't kidding, he used to kick us in the rear end.

He'd get us, he'd throw us out of bed.

He did the old

throw up the mattress like he probably did in many barracks, right?

To his own kids.

So

I'm just telling you that we're in a difficult spot.

The American people know it, but what they're looking for is, okay, what do I do?

What can I do?

And I'll leave you with this.

My phrase that that I have

that I have jumped on is local action has a national impact.

So when I go out and I talk to people, I say, quit complaining about Washington, D.C., quit complaining about your state's capital and your governor.

What are you doing?

You know, what are you doing?

Like the old John F.

Kennedy, you know, what are you doing for your country, right?

What are you doing for your town?

What are you doing for your family?

Get involved.

Local action has a national impact.

I do believe that that's one weapon system that we still have in our arsenal of millions and millions and millions of really of this sort of, because you did highlight it,

there's a Christian element in our country that still exists.

And they're not people that wear their faith on their sleeve.

You know, there are some of those, but

there's hundreds of millions of us

that are really ready.

And so my message, get involved.

Local action has a national impact.

If your school board board is teaching critical race theory and they're teaching filth and pornography to our 10-year-olds in elementary school, don't complain to me about your school board.

You voted for them in.

Go run for school board.

Amen.

The next time around, go or don't show up with three people, show up with 3,000 to the next school board hearing.

Right?

You got me on my soapbox.

Local action, national impact.

Let me close with this question.

I know we're running late, but I

in 1972,

something happened in your life.

A little girl climbed into a car.

And

I don't believe that a man who starts out in 1972 like this,

that that ripple doesn't go all the way through your life

to today.

And I can't imagine

I just don't believe any of the dishonorable stuff that the media tries to place on you, and it must kill you.

Tell the audience what happened to you in 1972.

Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that up.

I mean, 1972, we were with a bunch of, I was a kid, you know, I was born in 1958, so I was 14, maybe.

I was a kid.

We were playing out in a front yard with some, with some friends in a neighborhood, and a car

was the kids were playing in the car, a brake was released.

There was two children playing at the bottom of a long driveway.

Car starts to roll.

And so I, there was the two children were there, and there was a car that they were playing at that was parked at the bottom of the driveway.

And both those kids would have likely been crushed.

And so I

yelled, I moved quickly, you know,

probably instinct more than anything else.

He had another kid, another kid there.

And I said, grab, you know, her and these children.

We grabbed them.

And, you know, long story short, my hometown,

you know, made a nice, you know, they made a nice gesture to say thank you for saving these children.

And so I appreciate you bringing that.

I don't

talk about that kind of stuff, but

I think my life,

I define who I am, Glenn.

My wife and I, actually, my wife and I have been together since I was, since 1972, since we were 13 years old.

Wow.

Been married for over 40 years now.

Yeah.

So

everything in my life is about loyalty to something and someone.

And now, and it grew in time to being loyal to this country as I understood it more especially as i joined the military so i i just appreciate you bringing that up um

you know i tell people now don't let anybody else define you if you look at yourself in the mirror and you're not the same person walking away from it then you got a problem uh i define who i am i don't really give a about the military about the media and what they what how they you know how they define me i really don't my mom was one of these

extraordinary women you know thank god she had nine children um my mom used to say, you know, the old sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

So, you know, get back out and play in the street kind of thing, you know.

And

that's what I believe.

And that's who I am.

And that's who I will be.

And, you know, they can say what they want.

The media can say what they want.

Actually, the more they attack me, I actually, in some funny way, I guess I say, you know, be my guest because the American people keep coming to me.

And I so deeply appreciate the American people who came to the rescue of my family and I, both morally and financially, to help us get through these last number of years of just pure political persecution.

God bless you.

Thank you, General.

Thanks, Glenn, and appreciate your audience.

God bless your audience, and God bless all that you do for this country.

Thank you.

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