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Welcome to the podcast.

Today, we have Byron York on to talk about his new book.

Donald Trump Jr.

joins us as well.

We have a doctor from Yale to talk about what's the truth with vaccines and herd immunity, and where do we stand right now?

Should we be going back into lockdown?

He's got the facts on that.

Also, we have what we should keep from the pandemic.

There's some things that we actually should keep, you know, like

alcohol delivery.

I mean, things like that, important things.

And we talk about Caitlin Jenner, who is running for governor of California.

Why does the left hate trans people so much?

You're listening to the best of the Benbec program.

Byron York is the chief political correspondent for the Washington Examiner and author of the book Obsession and a host host of the podcast

the Byron York Show.

Welcome.

Byron, how are you, sir?

Hi, Glenn.

I'm doing well.

Thanks for having me.

Good.

You know, I have, we've got about 20 minutes and I want to run through a bunch of things with you.

First of all, I was talking to Victor Davis Hansen the other day, and I asked him this question.

And your book really kind of, I mean, this is what your book is about, Obsession.

The obsession that people had on getting rid of Donald Trump and just destroying him at all costs.

And I asked him, when it comes to the media,

the media I know hated themselves because they thought that they had, you know, them playing footsie with him helped him get elected.

But is it just that, or was the media's obsession with this also pushed by the elites in

the FBI or the CIA, any of the deep state stuff that saw Donald Trump as a real threat because he was was going to upset the apple cart one way or another,

and

they weren't going to have any of that.

Which was the main factor,

the press just hating him and hating themselves, or the deep state really kind of juicing that up and pushing stuff at them?

Yeah, that is an incredibly difficult question.

You're right, the book is about that.

It's called Obsession, and it is about this obsession obsession with getting Trump that began well before he was elected, that continued with the appointment of a special counsel and the whole Russia thing, and then impeachment, and then another impeachment.

So there was

this obsession.

I mean, there were Democrats who introduced a bill to

impeach Donald Trump in 2017 for comments that he made about Colin Kaepernick in the NFL.

So, I mean, that's where we are.

It was an obsession.

So, the question is:

you raise a great question.

I'm not a really good armchair psychologist, but I do believe that the success of Trump was deeply threatening to a lot of people.

It was threatening to some people who felt that they had some manner of input and control over the Republican Party agenda, and they became never Trumpers.

It was threatening to people who believed,

you remember this, after 2008 and Obama's big victory in 2008, there was a lot of talk of the Obama coalition, a group of minorities and young people.

And

there was this idea that Democrats had kind of cracked the code and that they would win the presidency from now on because demographic change, especially the rise of Hispanic population in the United States, would literally ensure the election of a Democratic President from now on.

And they were absolutely stunned that

Trump won.

But you're right, there's the the darker side, the dark underside of that is what the intelligence and law enforcement agencies did

during the Trump period.

And maybe they were feeling threatened in sort of the same way that others were, but the fact is,

they

surveilled a presidential campaign and they did extraordinary things like the

meeting, which I still can't get over, on January 6th, 2017, two weeks before Trump is sworn in, in which James Comey, who's then the head of the FBI,

briefs asks to brief Trump one-to-one, one-on-one, and he tells him that the FBI has this information about him and prostitutes in Russia.

And Comey specifically worried ahead of time that Trump might take it as kind of, and this is Comey's words, a J.

Edgar Hoover move.

And of course, the reason Comey worried about that is because it was a J.

Edgar Hoover move.

And you know,

so what I'm trying to get at here is you had the intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies doing extraordinary things, the whole dossier, to try to expel Trump

from the system.

And so there was this broad obsession, and I think the motivations were different to different people,

but it was there, and you're right, it hasn't gone away.

Yeah, and it is the people who supported Trump, and that includes most Democrats, I mean, sorry, most Republicans, whether they were big supporters or not, it doesn't matter.

If you're not in line, now it's your turn to be smeared and destroyed.

And just when you thought the FBI couldn't get any worse, there's a couple of things.

First of all, I read and I saw your great

article rebutting this.

The FBI now saying that the Alexandria shooting, the baseball shooting, I mean, notice it doesn't have a name.

You have to kind of explain it before people even remember it.

Where Steve Scalise and all of the Republicans

would have been killed if it wasn't by the grace of God,

just this massacre.

The FBI comes out and says that wasn't politically motivated.

The guy had the names of the representatives in his pocket with physical descriptions.

How is this suicide by cop?

Yeah, this was absolutely stunning news.

And we just learned this about a week and a half ago.

And what happened, everybody does remember, it was June 14th, 2017.

The team was practicing.

They were in Alexandria.

It was all Republicans practicing for the congressional baseball game.

Man comes up, asked one of the Republicans, Jeff Duncan, Republican from South Carolina, is leaving early.

Man comes up and asks, is this the Republican team or the Democratic team?

And Jeff Duncan, having no idea what's going on, who the man is, says it's the Republican team.

And shortly after, he pulls out a semi-automatic rifle, begins firing, grievously wounds Steve Scalise, a lobbyist, is terribly wounded as well, two others wounded less seriously,

until the man, James Hodgkinson, is finally killed.

So you're absolutely right.

He prides himself as a member of the resistance.

He's a house inspector in Ohio

and he

posts things on his Facebook page like, quote, Trump is a traitor.

Trump has destroyed our democracy.

It's time to destroy Trump and company.

He was also part of a Facebook group like,

which was called Terminate the Republican Party.

So he quits his job, goes to Alexandria, lives in his van with his gun,

and waits.

And you're right, he specifically targets Republicans.

He has a list in his pocket of congressional Republicans he wants to kill.

Okay, and so he does it.

And there's absolutely no doubt, and he's a big Bernie Sanders supporter for what it's worth.

There's no doubt that he attacks

these members of Congress because they are Republicans.

It was a clear act of violent, politically motivated domestic terrorism.

And if you remember, even at that time, the FBI was telling us that the greatest threat to our national security was violent domestic terrorism.

Okay.

So, FBI, obviously, Hodgkinson is killed at the scene, so there's no manhunt, but they began investigating this

and looking into Hodgkinson.

And the shooting is in June.

And in November, the FBI has a private meeting with the members of Congress who were there.

And the FBI says, well, we've discovered the cause.

And they say, well, and he's and the FBI says, well, it's suicide by cop.

And the Republicans are just dumbstruck.

I mean, they said, what?

I mean, they literally go, what?

And they say, look, if you want to commit suicide by cop, you point a gun at police, and that will usually do the trick.

You don't go attack Republican members of the House.

Besides,

there was a small Capitol Police detail at the

practice that day because Steve Scalise, House whip, a Republican whip, was a member of the House leadership, so he had a security detail.

They were in plain clothes.

They were in an unmarked car.

The shooter did not know they were there.

This was not suicide by cop.

There's simply no way in the world it's suicide by cop.

One interesting thing is

Republicans are often pretty discreet about these things.

They didn't leak it.

We didn't hear that.

This was this was the FBI told them it was suicide by cop in November of 2017.

And we just found it out because one of those Republicans, Brad Winstrup, who was there that day and played a heroic role,

revealed it in a hearing a week and a half ago at the House Intelligence Committee.

And he revealed it because he had Christopher Wray the FBI director in front of him.

So he told him about all this stuff.

And you know what Ray's first response was?

Well, I wasn't director then.

Fine, you weren't director then.

But the FBI did this.

And so Winstrup

sort of demanded that the FBI explain to them what evidentiary and analytical process it went through to determine that this was a suicide by cop as opposed to what it clearly was, a domestic terror attack.

So here's why this is really relevant.

You know, they said that Brian Sicknick was, you know, killed by in the Capitol riots.

They say this is the worst thing that's ever happened.

And they're obsessed over all this.

Sitnick did not die from injuries at the Capitol.

He died of a stroke the next day in the hospital.

So they're trying to make this into really

an Alexandria kind of moment where it wasn't.

It was a horrible, horrible moment, but it wasn't something where they were going in and trying to kill everybody, at least seriously like this guy was, could have been, and was horrible in and of itself.

But the media and the FBI seem so focused on only things that come from the right that

I don't trust the FBI anymore.

And

that's saying something, Byron.

I've always trusted the FBI

and the government.

I mean, you know, I've been skeptical, you know, and let me see all the evidence.

But I don't trust them at all anymore.

Yeah, I think that is one of the saddest results of the last five years.

And I think you're exactly right.

First of all, I think maybe for your listeners, we should say there are lots of parts of the FBI that do old-fashioned crime fighting.

They search for murderers.

They search for bank robbers.

They search for all sorts of really bad people.

And that sort of rank-and-file FBI work is something we should all be glad for.

But there was

a managerial elite at the top of the FBI that had become incredibly politicized.

I mean, they actually had, during the 2016 election, they had both

major party

candidates under investigation.

And I think there's something wrong with that right there.

But certainly when we discovered what they did with the dossier, the Steele dossier, in which the FBI

actually

wanted to hire Christopher Steele to do his anti-Trump research for them in the last months of the 2016 campaign.

Absolutely inexcusable.

They only had to sort of cut him loose because he was breaking their policy by talking to the press, because all Steele wanted to do was expose Trump and try to defeat him in twenty sixteen.

And even when the FBI had to cut him loose, they maintained a back channel to him and and continued to get what we now know were these entirely false dossier reports.

And then there was this sandbagging of of Trump that I mentioned earlier, the whole we know about you and those those hookers in Moscow thing.

And then there was the Michael Flynn case.

I mean, so I think there's plenty of reason to not trust the leadership of the FBI.

There's the FISA court.

Are we ever going to get a final report?

Are we ever going to see the final report on any of this?

Do you think?

Well, there is no final report on this whole thing.

Everybody has to piece together as best they can from what is out there.

We know that there really really is a Durham investigation.

I know a lot of conservatives have completely lost faith or hope in that and think it's going to be nothing.

But there are some people in Washington

who you would all trust, I think, who still think that Durham is going to come up with some interesting stuff.

But everything is just a part of the picture.

You have to kind of put it together yourself.

But

clearly, the FISA thing in which the FBI misrepresented the evidence in order to wiretap a former low-level Trump campaign aide, Carter Page,

because that would be a doorway into the larger Trump campaign.

It's not because Carter Page was the most important person in the world.

It was because that would open a door into the Trump campaign, which they were investigating during the campaign.

If you're not reading The Washington Examiner and following Byron York, you're reading, I don't know what you're reading.

You should be following the Washington Examiner.

It is really, really good.

We read it every single day.

Byron is the chief political correspondent and author of the book Obsession, also another must-read, and the host of the Byron York Show.

Thank you so much, Byron.

We'll talk again.

Thank you, Glenn.

It was a pleasure.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Yesterday, we told you about a little nugget in a New York Times piece.

It was like third paragraph from the very end, and it was not even commented on.

And it talked about how the Iranian foreign minister let it slip that John Kerry had personally advised him that Israel had struck Iranian interest in Syria at least 200 times.

Now, the White House yesterday said, we're not going to talk about leaked tapes.

Iran said this was a leaked tape.

It was never supposed to be released.

It was given to a think tank.

It was supposed to be held for posterity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the White House isn't commenting on this.

Really?

They're not commenting.

So the interview actually happened.

The media is not stumbling over themselves to get to the bottom of whether John Kerry leaked classified information of an ally to their number one enemy and an enemy of the United States.

Google the story.

No one is asking the question.

Now Google the story of Trump leaking classified information to the Russians in the Oval Office.

They went insane.

That story isn't even true.

But Google that story.

That's there.

They question that.

Every major news outlet in the country and the world were running the same angle, but nobody is saying anything about this.

So it's some anonymous source.

It was some anonymous source when they said this about Trump, except the National Security Advisor and the Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategy, both in the room at the time, said that never happened.

And they weren't known to be Trump lovers.

They said that never happened, but that didn't stop the media.

The job of the media is to hold the government accountable, but they're not doing it.

It doesn't, it doesn't, the laws don't apply, it seems, to some underground political elite, and John Kerry is in that protected zone.

So did he or did he not leak information

about the Israelis to the Iranians?

Well, he said yesterday that these allegations are unequivocally false.

This never happened either when I was Secretary of State or since.

But then the State Department released information saying the information that Kerry allegedly leaked was already public knowledge and not classified.

John Kerry said it never happened.

The State Department said it happened, but it was no big deal.

Which is it?

The guy sits on the National Security Council.

Which is it?

The comment on this and so much more is Donald Trump Jr.

Hey, Don, how are you?

I'm doing well, yourself?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I thank you and your family often.

Say hi to your dad for us.

How's he doing?

He's doing well.

I just saw him a few minutes ago, so he's doing really well.

And

I think you're saying it really well.

I mean, it's sort of amazing what you can get away with if you're a Democrat.

I wrote the book about liberal privilege, but we're seeing it more and more every day.

Whether it's John Kerry, whether it's Eric Swalwell sitting on the House Intelligence Committee, whilst I guess it's okay for him to sleep with a Chinese spy,

it seems like a double standard.

I would think, Glenn, that these people would lose their minds if someone in the Trump administration did this.

Oh, they would have, and they rightfully should have.

If your dad, I mean, this is what's crazy.

If your dad were giving secrets to the Russians, he should have been impeached.

It would have been a big deal.

But he wasn't.

And they knew it the whole time, and they ran with it just to destroy your father, his legacy, and his chances of winning a second time.

But now we actually have evidence that somebody is doing this, and they don't care.

Wait.

100%.

And it's not like it's a random occurrence.

I mean, it's pretty clear that John Kerry has very close relationships with those in Iran in power.

So this isn't like it's something that's surprising and out of the blue.

I mean, these things are pretty well known.

You know, I'm pretty sure they would have talked about the various violations, whether it hatch act or otherwise, of all of the things that he's been doing had he been a Republican.

But because he's not, he's totally immune from any prosecution or criticism even from a media who just refuses to do their stated job of their profession.

You know, it's one thing to attack you guys personally.

And I honestly, Don, don't know how you guys live through it.

I really don't.

I have so much respect for your family, for your father, for Milani, all of you guys, for what you put up with.

And I mean, I would have just, I would have been on the roof of a building like a postal worker at some point.

I mean, I don't know how you did it and still continue to do it.

But, you know, the one thing, it's one thing coming after you.

It's another to actually make real accomplishments in the Middle East.

Things that people have been trying to do since the 1940s.

You did them.

Nobody recognized them at the time.

And now in less than 100 days, everything's coming undone.

Well, that's what's really scary.

I mean, they're literally reverse.

You know, peace in the Middle East was sort of like the holy grail of geopolitical politics.

And we actually did it.

My father's administration actually did it.

Now you have business opportunities, you know, flights between Israel and other parts of the Middle East.

They all probably wanted to open up that door, but there was a, you know, a long history that made it a little bit hard.

Now, Donald Trump opened that door.

And within a few weeks, not only is John Kerry seemingly fueling the Iranians, the world's number one leading state sponsor of terror, but doing it at the expense of our number one ally in the region, Israel.

You know, we're bombing the Middle East again after sort of trying to end the endless wars.

All of these things that are so popular with the American public,

not so much with the Washington D.C.

establishment and sort of the military-industrial complex to sort of use the old-fashioned term there, but they're reversing one of the most successful foreign policy missions ever, and they've done so in 100 days.

It's truly impressive.

I grossly underestimated Joe Biden's ability to screw things up.

I knew it would be bad.

I didn't realize it would be this bad.

I didn't know it would be this fast.

I figured it would be bad, but not this fast.

I mean, look what happened on the border.

And, you know, now nobody cares about the cages.

You know, nobody cares about the policies.

He's reversing himself in some cases where he's going back and doing exactly what your father did.

But it's a mess down there.

It's an absolute mess.

In days, he created that.

Correct.

And they're wondering, they're running around saying, oh, how did this happen?

I mean, when you give someone, you offer someone everything for free, you're going to get free health care, free education.

This was a welcome ticket.

You know, they get to give Kamala Harris's book to children at the border.

Imagine someone in the Trump administration did that.

You know, the indoctrination

of youth continues.

It's not just in our public schools anymore.

It's now at the border in Joe Biden's cages.

You know, this stuff never ends.

And yet again, if it was a Trump administration official, people would be losing their minds.

It would drive a multiple week long news cycle.

When Joe Biden does it, he gets a total pass.

And they don't even discuss these things.

I mean, you know, they're no longer cages.

They were only cages for the four years between the Obama administration and the Biden administration.

Before and after that four-year period of time, they're migrant facilities where they're helping children.

I mean, it's absolutely insane.

And, you know, what's scary, Glenn, is it feels like the American public, while there are some, and probably many of your listeners, get it, so many are still influenced by a mainstream media that has shown to be nothing but partisan hacks.

I mean, they're literally, there's nothing genuine, honest, or real about today's mainstream media, and yet many Americans still don't see that.

So tomorrow,

Joe Biden is going to get up, and I don't know how they're going to keep him awake until 9 o'clock at night, but he's going to get up and he's going to speak.

Usually, this is when a president will say, you know, he'll spell out big ideas and ask for money.

In 100 days, he has already put in legislation over $10 trillion

in spending.

I don't know how much more you can ask for, but, you know, not that they asked us for it.

I mean, they should just do this speech at the Fed.

Hey, print some more money.

I want to do these things.

What do we expect to see tomorrow?

What do you think we're going to see tomorrow?

Well, listen, I think you're going to see a bunch of Democrat soundbites that have no basis in economics.

You know,

I'm not a master of these things in terms of macroeconomic policy

and monetary policy, but what's going on is crazy.

Like, you got to realize, like, this money has to be paid back.

And I get it's great to be able to bribe the people with their own money, even though they're only getting a small fraction of the stimulus money, right?

You say, you sign a multiple trillion dollar bill.

Here's a couple of grand.

No worries.

You know, they don't explain to the people that, guess what?

Each family owns approximately 6,000.

So you get 2,000, but you owe 6,000 now.

Eventually, you got to pay the Piper, Glenn.

And so this is not sustainable.

It doesn't work.

We are putting our children and our grandchildren in debts that that they will never be able to get out of.

And, you know, they're doing it.

Okay.

No one's saying anything because it's Joe Biden.

Oh, he's trying to be really nice.

He's not.

He's really nice in sound bites and on TV.

And yet, if you look at the policies that he's pushing, there's nothing more than partisanry and there's nothing more than vindictiveness within them.

You know, again, he gets to have that pass because the profession known as the media simply no longer exists the way it was supposed to.

Do you believe, I mean, you have to sit around and talk about this.

Your dad built an economy that was actual, it was real.

It was starting to work for the people down at the bottom of the end or the bottom of the ladder.

And that's when it's real.

This is going to be a sugar rush.

And I think we're going to have a, I mean, you just can't open an economy and not have a boom.

Of course, we're going to have a boom.

But it's also, with all of this bogus money, it is, I mean, it's going to be unlike anything we've ever seen.

Maybe 1929, up and down.

100%.

And then you combine that with wanting to raise tax rates on corporate America, who employs so many people.

You do that by wanting to seemingly more than double the capital gains tax for people who are investing in those companies so they can hire.

I mean, you're creating a disaster of epic proportions.

What that will do to the economy is truly,

it's scary.

And I mean, this isn't just like, okay, well, we believe in a little bit higher taxes.

These are draconian taxes that they want to put on Americans, whether it's corporate or civilian, at a time when they're literally coming out of a global pandemic.

I understand the Democrats' notion of, you know, you can tax everyone.

You know, Margaret Thatcher said it best when you said the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money.

But to do so at a time like this, when the economy and small business, you know, they've been teetering on the brink for a while.

This will be like the death knell to so many of those businesses if they do that.

When people pull their money out of the markets, when they're worried about these sort of things, it's going to be a disaster.

And the fact that no one's saying that,

again, I don't care how you feel about these things in normal times, but if you're going to put that kind of hammer down at literally the end of a pandemic,

I don't know what these people expect.

I really don't.

I mean, you wake up and you wonder if you're watching the onion when you're seeing the news on a daily basis because it's like a caricature of itself.

We're talking to Donald Trump Jr.

Don, I don't know if you guys are paying attention to the great reset

and what is coming with these ESGs, but it explains the corporations.

It explains why so many countries around the world

did some black ops

work against your dad, et cetera, et cetera.

I think that he was ⁇ he was ⁇ this would never happen under your father.

And I think they knew that.

And this is one of the reasons why he is out.

But I urge you, if you haven't yet, to look into the great reset from the World Economic Forum.

And ESGs has just been pushed through in the European Parliament.

Of course.

I'm not as familiar with it as I probably should be, but the reality is this.

When all of these foreign governments are going against an individual like my father, there's a reason for that.

And it's not because he was good for their economy.

He was good for ours.

America has been like the moronic, like red-headed stepchild of the world for so long, paying for all of their things, subsidizing the U.N.

to ridiculous numbers, subsidizing everyone, whether it's NATO or otherwise.

Donald Trump just said, hey, we expect everyone to carry their fair share.

Of course they hated Donald Trump.

They had the gravy train of a lifetime.

America is just going to be a dumb idiot and pay for all of our stuff.

They're going to to subsidize it.

They're going to be able, you know, China, free trade.

Oh, yeah, they really want free trade.

They don't want free trade.

They want America to be a fool.

They want one-sided free trade where they get to do whatever they want.

And if America does anything, they raise holy hell.

That's what's going on for so long.

So I don't want foreign governments to love our president because it means you're a schmuck.

If these people love you so much, it means you're being a schmuck, in my opinion, especially as it relates to monetary policy and these sorts of things.

And so Joe Biden's reverting that because he doesn't know what's going on.

He'll sign whatever the radical left puts in front of him.

In between naps, he'll do a couple of those things.

They'll put him on a teleprompter.

He'll even botch that every time.

But no one cares because no one in the media is going to call it out.

That's why it's so important for guys like yourself.

And it's why I've remained so vocal.

I mean, I could very easily go back to making money and being in real estate and doing those kind of things, but there's too much at stake, Lynn.

I got five kids.

I want to leave them a country they recognize.

I know.

Don, it's great to have you on.

Always is.

We'd love to have you on more often.

Donald Trump Jr.

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You know, you'll hear a lot of experts talk about the virus, talk about the shots that everybody's supposed to get when it comes to COVID.

But

the guy we have with us now, you probably know, Dr.

Harvey Riesch, he's an epidemiology professor at the Yale School of Public Health.

So this is his specialty.

Now, he's the guy who I guess we first heard of during this pandemic because he said hydroxychloroquine works.

It's easy.

We have it.

It works.

It will help, you know, get rid of a lot of this stuff.

I know that I took hydroxychloroquine when my family had COVID, everything else.

I never got it.

I stopped taking it.

Six months later, I've got COVID.

I think hydroxychloroquine was a miracle

and at least something that would slow things down for a lot of people, but who am I to say?

Dr.

Harvey Riesch is here with us now.

Hi, Doctor.

How are you?

Good morning.

How are you?

Good.

Thank you so much for speaking out, whether you're right or wrong, speaking out about the things that you believe in

and not bowing to the pressure of this new weird science rule that we just don't question authority.

Let me talk to you about the

vaccines.

I get so much heat because I've had COVID.

I'm not interested in getting the vaccine.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

I don't have a problem with the vaccine.

But I know my kids are young.

I'm not going to give it to them.

And because I don't think it's,

I think there's too many questions out there about something that is brand new that we've not had trials on.

If they needed it, my parents, I would give it to my parents.

I encouraged my parents to take it.

If I were a little older and more frail, I would take it.

I'm called insane for having those standards.

Am I?

No, you're completely rational.

And when people are calling you names instead of debating the science,

the tables have flipped.

The science the real science, the evidence is what matters.

And we know a couple of days ago, proof of exactly your understanding was has been written in an article from Israel, where they actually looked at some seven million people and their experience from taking the vaccines or having had COVID or being unvaccinated and not knowing we have had COVID.

And what they found is that there was equal protection from getting COVID either a second time or after vaccination

from people who have been vaccinated

the same as people who've had COVID in the past.

And so this means that their protection from COVID is just as good.

It's 90% or higher than the same as the vaccines from getting COVID.

So then why is everybody pounding on?

Nobody seems to be be paying attention to what we have going on in Israel.

We have a population that has

vaccinated.

They have heard

immunity now.

And we're seeing different kinds of results.

We have the facts.

Why isn't anybody talking about this?

Well, because I think there's different motivations than just vaccinating people for their health benefit.

I think we are in a mania.

There's no other way to put it, that people are convinced as a matter of their religious assumptions that vaccination is their creed and

it's a mania that there's no discussion,

there's no pros and cons, that

the cons don't matter no matter what.

I think that what's more interesting than Israel even is United Arab Emirates, who've also vaccinated 60% of their population with essentially the same vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine.

And I think their experience is more realistic that

what one sees is the mortality come down quickly, but the case numbers not.

The case numbers

came down, but much more slowly.

And that is what's to be expected from vaccination.

And that's why, even though we've been vaccinating a lot in the U.S., that there's still cases occurring, and we do have herd immunity in many states in the U.S., but it will be slow, and that doesn't matter.

And as I've been saying for the whole year, it's not the cases that matter.

It's the people who are hospitalized and the people who die from the disease that matter.

And people are just freaking out.

Because that's what separates right.

That's what separates this from the flu is how bad it gets for so many people and how many people would die from it compared to the flu.

But if you get it and you're sick and you're home and you stay home for a couple of weeks and you don't have to go to the hospital and you don't die from it, then it's just the flu.

Well, a couple of weeks would be enough to, you know, to put a big dent on people's economic viability and so on.

It should be a couple days.

And

now we've got half a dozen or more medications to be used to treat this for our outpatients when they're treated in the first few days.

And they all work.

They all combine.

They're very effective.

We know they're effective for the Brazil variant.

The Brazilians have been using them and have found them effective.

So we know how to manage this, and we've known how to manage it for a long time.

But of course, can you think of any other drugs, any other approved medications that have been blocked or prohibited by medical societies, medical regulatory agencies?

No.

That's especially like if you're talking hydroxychloroquine, especially.

That's been out forever.

Forever.

We know exactly what it is.

So the fact that there's interference in a drug that is safer than aspirin, that has been used for 55 years in tens of billions of doses, the fact that there's pushback and formal government and medical interference in that, there's no explanation other than a nefarious reason.

There's no health explanation.

So I could dismiss a lot of the things that were happening at the very beginning as, you know, we didn't know what we were dealing with.

Do we know what we're dealing with now?

Pretty much.

Okay.

Does it ever become

something that we're, you know, because I said at the very beginning, you know,

that this is probably going to be something that we have to deal with for the rest of our lives, like the flu, but if it is, even has the same rate of death of the flu, that's doubling that, and that's a big number.

So it's not something you want to do.

But it's going to be with us forever, and it's going to be like the flu.

Does it look like we're headed in that direction?

Is that what we're, are we going to deal with this for the rest of our lives?

Aaron Powell, I think that there's two things.

First of all, this is when you when children are affected, it's a cold.

It for almost every you know, one in ten thousand, it it may be more serious.

But but by and large, for almost all children young children, this is this is nothing worse than a cold.

If they spread it to each other, it it's i i it's unusual.

Mostly they get it from adults.

And they develop T cell immunity and they're protected.

You know,

we've only known about it for 15 months or something, so it's hard to know how long anything lasts, but the evidence is that that T cell immunity will be long lasting.

We know that T cell immunity from SARS-1 is now 17 years old and people still who had SARS-1

still have T cell immunity from that.

So it's likely that children will get it.

It'll be a cold-like illness.

and

most won't even know it and it'll go away and that'll be the end of it for them as they get older in life.

It's we adults who have to deal with it now when it gets entered into the population as an endemic disease, which it is.

So we have a transition period to get through it that children, especially young children, will not have.

And I think the long-term characteristic of this will be over the next 20 to 30 years when each new generation of children hardly notices that anything's happening, whereas the adults

have to deal with it one way or another, and whether it's vaccination, whether it's getting the disease, whether it's prevention, whether it's treatment, all of those are possible ways of dealing with it for the adults.

Is there any reason that you can see that Texas and Florida and places that didn't lock down are doing better

than the places like California and New York?

Why is that happening?

That's because lockdown is counterproductive.

At the beginning, at the very beginning of this, when we had no idea what was going on, lockdown was useful in order to give us by time to figure out how to manage it, how to keep the hospitals from overflowing right at the beginning.

But after that point, once the disease is endemic, there's no point because all you're doing is prolonging the inevitable.

The disease is endemic.

It is in the population.

It will grow to the degree that there is no herd immunity.

So the states like North Dakota, South Dakota, Texas, Arizona, Tennessee,

you know, that didn't lock down or didn't really lock down,

that have let the infection go and occur in young people who are mostly unaffected or if they get it, it's a mild disease and they recover pretty much perfectly well, if not in a couple weeks, then a month or two, then

what you get is you build up a lot of herd immunity.

And so we had herd immunity in North Dakota in October and in South Dakota in October, November, and so on.

And so those peaks have come down dramatically.

Same as Texas and Florida.

The amount of herd immunity that's built up is quite large.

And once that happens,

herd immunity is not a function of vaccines.

Vaccines contribute to it, but so does natural infection.

And most people are asymptomatic.

So they built up the herd immunity, whereas California didn't.

So is the idea that once you get the vaccine or once you've had it, that you still have to be quarantined or you can't go out for 4th of July or you have to wear masks,

that's bullcrap, isn't it?

Well, so this is a subtle thing that I don't think was well recognized, and that is that just like masks, there's a benefit for the person and there's a benefit for the bystanders, the people around the person.

And that's called source control.

And what we've heard is that the manufacturers' randomized trials for safety and efficacy only examined benefit for the people who were vaccinated.

And that benefit is between 60 and 90 percent, and generally tending towards the 90 percent for most in the vaccination trials.

But what they didn't evaluate is how much

vaccinated people

do or don't transmit the infection to others.

And this is why I was saying the United Arab Emirates, their data shows that in fact transmission is not

benefited quite nearly as well as

vaccination for the person.

So the vaccines cut the individual's risk by 90% of getting COVID, but they only cut the risk of transmission by 50 to 60%.

And that's why the case numbers go on for a long time, even though the mortality goes down.

And I think that's really, we've been sold the idea that if these vaccines prevent the disease by 90%, then why can't we just go out and have normal life?

And the answer is, because they don't prevent transmission nearly as much,

and so it will still spread.

Now,

spreading is, as I said, is not necessarily bad.

If the people who are at high risk, who will do poorly if they get it, are adequately protected, either by vaccination or early treatment, or prevention with hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, other medications, if they're adequately

protected, then the society reopens like normal.

Our schools should be open.

Day camps should be open,

you know, because

that is how you get herd immunity in safe, natural, protected ways.

And

you protect high-risk people by keeping them

basically separated to a certain degree, as well as having vaccination and prevention and treatment.

And I think that that's the whole way that we work out of this.

Doctor, it is a

pleasure to talk to you.

Thank you so much for the work that you do.

And

keep your spine.

You are an inspiration to a lot of people

that you are willing to take the hits

from

your own circles.

Thank you for that.

Dr.

Harvey Reesch.

Go ahead.

Nature speaks to us through science.

And I don't consider that nature lies to me.

Nature tells the truth.

I just have to be open to listening to it, and I'm just the messenger here.

Good for you.

Dr.

Harvey Riesch, epidemiology professor at the Yale School of Public Health.

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