Ep 81 | White House’s Female Fighter Reveals the TRUTH of Working for Trump | Sarah Huckabee Sanders | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Right towards the beginning of President Trump's administration, our guest today was one of the most recognizable women in America.

That was not her intention when she was invited to join the White House staff, but the unique and unprecedented media assault on this administration thrust her into a spotlight, and it was a harsh, hot spotlight.

She was the first mother to ever serve as a White House press secretary.

She also became the left's left's favorite punching bag.

If she had worked for a Democratic president, she would be celebrated as a national hero.

She would be hanging out with Oprah now, but instead, she was reviled in the press.

She was kicked out of a restaurant for daring to show her face.

She ended up having to have Secret Service, the first one ever to have Secret Service protection because of the violent threats against her and her children.

Her story epitomizes today what's happening and the vitriol and the hatred and the desperation to stop Donald Trump.

So how did she handle it?

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Sarah,

it's a glutton for punishment.

Now you write a book and you go on a book tour and do interviews about it.

And I know what it's like to be in your chair with a media that has their mind made up and they will not let you

say what you really feel or who you really are.

I think it's less that they won't let me say it, but they don't want to hear it.

They don't care to hear positive things about somebody who worked in the Trump White House.

And that's one of the reasons that you call it a glutton for punishment.

But it's one of the reasons that I want to be out there is because there have been so many books and so many negative things said about the president.

And I spent two and a half years almost every single day of those two and a half years with the president.

And I want people to see him the way that I did during that time and get to know Donald Trump in the way that I did.

And I really try hard to make that come out in the book.

So I think you did a great job on that.

You do get a feeling of what it felt like to be there, what it feels like, the trouble at the beginning,

and

the other side of Trump that nobody gets to see.

If I were to ask you to take two

snapshots,

one that shows

the

complete

lack of honesty or integrity or even interest

where you witness something you're like, I can't believe

I was just in that room and now I'm hearing it from these people and it's not the same.

And you give me that and what the

what kept you there?

The one thing that would keep you going out

to a lion's

den to have them just feast on you every day?

So I'll start with

the first question.

And sadly, I have too many examples of that, but one in particular that really stands out was actually as I was leaving the White House.

The president had announced that I would be departing at the end of the month.

And a group of reporters that I worked with on the regular,

that were always at the White House came by my office.

Several of them I had a very good relationship with.

I know that's hard to believe, but in this moment, they were thanking me, telling me how much they'd enjoyed working with me.

They were going to miss me.

One in particular,

she had tears in her eyes and was like, I'm going to miss you.

Like, you've been so great.

Like, this has been such a good working relationship.

And then the next morning, I'm sitting in my office and I see, you know, my name scroll across the bottom of of the screen.

So I turn the sound on the TV up and that reporter is on and they're asking.

And she's like, she had to go.

It was time.

No credibility left.

Like she had to be out of the building.

I was like, wait a minute.

You literally were almost crying in my office yesterday, telling me how much you were going to miss me, how great of a relationship that we had developed over the course of those two years.

And now, like, it's, you know, because you're on a mainstream cable network that doesn't like the president.

It's like, oh, couldn't say anything nice about this person.

So that would be one of those moments where you just saw just complete hypocrisy and a total double standard

of the media.

In terms of why I went out there every day, it's because I love our country and I believe in standing up and being very vocal about the things I believe in.

And I wanted to be helpful to the president.

And if I felt I could play even the smallest role in helping him continue to make our country better, then I felt an obligation to do that.

I don't think people, and I haven't been at your level

and far from it, but I have gone through

the machine

where they just destroy you.

And I don't think people understand.

what that feels like.

Can you describe

or explain maybe what you were surprised by?

I mean, you had to know you were running into trouble, but sometimes the

reality is far beyond anything you ever would expect.

I think the thing that probably surprised me the most was the level of vitriol and also that nothing was off limits.

You know, everything

from my appearance, my makeup, my hair, my clothes, my fitness to be a mother, my ability to bake a pie.

Everything was on the table.

And, you know, multiple members of the media regularly attacked me, not for my politics, but for me as a person.

And so that was much different, I think, than I expected.

I've always been prepared to fight back for what I believe in and principles that I think are important and what's right.

But to have to defend myself on whether or not I'm a capable parent or whether or not I should have worn red when I wore blue, those were things I didn't necessarily plan for and hadn't really expected.

I mean, I even had a member of the mainstream media say I should be choked.

A Hollywood actor suggested my kids should be kidnapped.

I mean, that level of anger and hatred was something that I wasn't necessarily prepared for going in.

The red hen incident, which you talk about in the book,

you are the first

spokesperson for the president that has ever needed

and issued Secret Service protection.

Tell me what that felt like when people surrounded you and

you realized, my gosh, regular Americans are now doing this.

For me,

and specifically as a parent, that was the most difficult challenge: is knowing that the role that I was playing

kept me from being able to really protect my kids.

And that was a very scary realization and a very difficult thing to process.

And wanting to do everything you can to make sure, you know, we're protecting, we're raising them the way that we're supposed to,

teaching them to love America, to love freedom, to to love their faith, and to have that challenged in a way

that didn't just verbally make you have to respond, but that you had to be prepared from a physical threat.

And that was something that was extremely difficult for me.

And going through that, the Red Hen incident,

That one came kind of out of left field.

I had gone to meet my family in Lexington, Virginia.

They had already been there for a day or so before I arrived.

I'd just come off a long week.

I drove down from DC through rush hour.

I was exhausted.

I sit down at the table and within a minute or two of sitting down before I even, you know, have a chance to get settled and say hello to my family, the owner of the restaurant comes over, asks to speak with me and lets me know that she thinks I'm a horrible person.

I don't.

belong there.

I don't represent their community and kicked me out of the restaurant.

And I was a little taken aback, but I just said, okay.

I whispered to my husband that I'd been kicked out of the restaurant.

I grabbed my things and I walked out.

What a lot of people don't know is the second part of that story.

And I talk about that in the book is after my husband and I went back home to the place we were staying, the rest of our family went to a restaurant across the street.

And the owner of the Red Hen actually followed them.

to that second restaurant, gathered a group of friends, held up makeshift signs, and protested them at another restaurant until one of my family members, who actually is not a Trump supporter and voted for Hillary Clinton, went outside and said, Look, Sarah's not even here and you're not helping our calls.

Like, go home.

And so they finally, you know, dissipated and left.

But

that level of anger to, one, kick me out of a restaurant.

I don't think we ever want to be the type of country that has Democrat restaurants and Republican restaurants.

And to have have that moment and then to continue it, to follow them even after I'd left was, you know, pretty eye-opening and just showed the level of anger and hatred from the liberal mob for people that don't agree with them.

So

you just used a key word,

liberal, the liberal mob.

And I don't have a problem

with liberals per se.

I don't have a problem with people who vote differently.

I don't understand you, but

okay, you know, and I can live next door to somebody who vehemently disagrees with me as long as we agree on certain principles.

And we used to have,

you know, an American set of principles that we all agreed on.

So, are you do you believe that

this vitriol and this

anger and rage is

happening

to the average Democrat now as much as before?

Or do you think the average person who has always considered themselves a Democrat is looking at their own party and saying,

you guys are in bed now with crazy anti-American Marxists.

Do you see any opening of that at all?

I definitely think over the last couple of months, we've seen some people go, whoa, whoa,

this is not what we signed up for.

And we aren't supporting people that burn our cities to the ground, that want to, you know, create violent atmospheres in a lot of major cities across the country.

I don't think that most Democrats,

particularly those kind of in the middle, want to see that.

The problem is the radical left has so taken over the Democrat Party that they've become beholden to this sector of their party and have not had the ability to fight back.

We saw that in the primaries.

They moved so far to the left.

Look, the primary is always: you're going to have your candidate move a little more to the right on the Republican side, a little more to the left on the Democrat side.

That's not new.

But the distance that they moved from the center and how far to the left they went, I think is surprising for a lot of Democrats, at least I hope so.

And I hope that they realize that that radical left is very dangerous for our country and is not the direction that we want to go.

I mean, the ideas that they're pushing on that end of their party have never worked in any country.

I don't know why we would think, oh, let's try it here.

It's never worked before.

Socialism has always been a disaster, but you know what?

I think we could do it.

Let's give it a try.

Like why that makes sense to anyone, I don't understand.

Most people flee those countries and come to America because it's so much better, because they want this freedom.

They want to live in a country where they can dream anything, they can be anything, and they can do anything.

And they want to take that away.

I don't know why we would allow a group,

again, that radical left, to destroy what makes America so special and so unique.

So my theory has always been, and I said this in 2008,

sorry, I said this in 2004, I think, when they put Michael Moore in the presidential box of the Democratic Convention with Jimmy Carter.

And I said,

you know, liberals, you are making your bed with the devil.

You are inviting Marxists in

who believe in something radically different, and you think you're going to use them as fuel.

And then you can put that genie back in the bottle, but they will eat you.

And I wondered now if

when you were seeing the president and seeing the behind-the-scenes machinery with Schumer and Pelosi and the others, are they afraid of

the left now?

Do they know that they're about to be eaten?

Or do they just really, do they really believe this stuff?

You know, honestly, I don't know,

but I don't think they realize that they're getting played.

And that's, I think, almost as scary as letting the left control everything is letting a group of people who have no idea what's going on and have no backbone.

They don't have the conviction to stand up and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're not going down this road.

We're still Americans.

We still hold on to a few just pillars of what makes our country special.

We're not willing to abandon that.

And I haven't seen the leadership in the Democrat Party do that.

If anything, they've bowed to this leftist side of the country because that side is so much louder.

You know, we have an expression in the South that just because somebody eats their soup louder doesn't mean it tastes better.

And I think that the Democrats have allowed the people that eat their soup much louder to control and make everybody else think it's better.

And it just isn't.

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As you are looking at the landscape of today,

you know,

the left, not the Democrats, the left is gathering now and have been gathering since 2016

on this

Integrity in Transition project.

And they are now saying that the right and the right-wing extremists and the Nazis and all of these people are going to start a civil war because of the election in November.

And so they are now planning on on what they have to do to counter

to be able to fight for the Republic.

I see what's happening now and how the media is covering for Black Lives Matter and letting people get away with things that

you arrest people for.

How plausible do you think it is

that

the election

and the voting system, you know, the mail-in vote is done intentionally to cause more chaos and more strife?

I'm hopeful that that's not the case.

Obviously, I'm a supporter of the president, so I'm very

hopeful that he wins outright and it's clear and it's decisive.

And we don't have a long, drawn-out process.

I think that could be very detrimental, very dangerous for our country, and very divisive.

So I'm hopeful that whatever the outcome is, that it's very clear, that it's very decisive.

And obviously, I hope it favors the president.

You know, I'm sure you know, I said this to the president.

I said, you know, that during your election, and he just stopped me.

He says, Oh, no, I'm very well aware.

I'm very well aware where you stood, Clenn.

But I did, I missed several things

in him.

And honestly, I saw a New York liberal

and I thought,

he's never going to do any of these things.

He's kept his promise, but the one thing I worried about, and I warned about it

in the election of 2016, in the last year,

there's going to be some event that is going to crush our economy and cause all kinds of strife.

And I fear this guy

will be a guy who will out FDR, FDR, and he will grab control because that's in his root.

And I had

nothing to prove that other than he was a New York kind of guy.

He's been the exact opposite of that.

And yet they call him a dictator.

They say that

he won't leave the office if he loses.

Is there anything that you have seen that shows anything like that?

What I saw day in and day out from the president is somebody who loves this country and who didn't need to be president.

He'd already been a celebrity.

He'd already been very successful in business.

He'd made a lot of money.

He'd written bestsellers.

He'd kind of already hit the peak in a lot of areas and he didn't need to be president.

But I think our country needed him at this moment.

They needed somebody to shake things up, to be the disruptor that he's been.

I think a lot of people were like you and they were skeptical early on about Donald Trump, but he's governed more conservative than anybody in my lifetime.

I mean, he has been very good for the pro-life community.

He has been great for religious freedom.

But more than that, and not just for conservatives, he has done things that impact every demographic of Americans that make their life better.

You know, he's regularly attacked for not,

you know, I guess a lot of people want to paint him as somebody different that hasn't been good for the black community.

When in reality, he's done more for the black community in America in four years than Joe Biden's done in 40 years in government.

The president fought for and secured and passed legislation for criminal justice reform.

He got HBCU historic funding and made it permanent, created opportunity zones, which have been significant, made a significant impact in a lot of minority communities across the country.

And let's not forget the economy.

And it wasn't just Black Americans that did better under Donald Trump's economy.

Hispanic Americans,

Asian Americans, all had the lowest unemployment in history prior to the coronavirus.

And so I think if you look at the policies and you look at the substance of what this president has done, he's made America better for everybody.

I don't, you know, I was,

I was really concerned, and I think a lot of Americans

were and maybe some still are, about his use of Twitter.

But I have come to a place to realize

it is his fearlessness

and

his

wrecking ball.

that he just puts out there every day and he doesn't care that has actually exposed you know I it's like impeachment he they go after him for impeachment and he's he's he's such a wrecking ball but all of a sudden the wall comes down you're like holy cow look what's behind the wall and you know I wonder if he's not at times genius lucky or I don't know.

I mean, do you ever get the feeling that he

when he swings something towards a wall and it comes down, that he knew what was on the other side.

I know he'd tell you he did, but do you think

he hopes that it's there?

And, you know, one of the things I loved about the president and watching him in a negotiation is we would go in, and I think he would have a certain set of things he was hoping to get, and everybody had kind of agreed.

But the president always had a whole nother set of stuff he wanted.

And he wasn't just happy with asking for a good deal.

He wanted the best deal.

So he would go in, the team would sit there and have this kind of agreed-upon list, and then he'd go ahead and lean into the other 10 things.

Everybody's like, Wait a minute.

And he's like, Well, let's not just waste time.

He's like, I don't want to leave until I get it all.

And you know, he would push harder and more aggressive than anybody else I'd ever seen.

And he wasn't going to take no for an answer.

And I think the only reason he was able to get things like the USMCA deal done and pass historic tax cuts at the levels that he did was because he said, I won't accept anything less.

And I think because he has that kind of wrecking ball mentality, people didn't want to go against him and eventually gave in and said, you know what, maybe he's right.

Let's do this.

Let's give it a try.

And it's worked well for him.

So

I had a conversation with him

relatively recently, and

it was was before COVID and we were talking about China.

And I said, I am

hoping, Mr.

President, that

we disagree on trade, but I am hoping that you are using your Tiffany's strategy.

And he said, Tiffany's strategy.

And I said, uh-huh, the way you built Trump Tower.

And he just laughed and he said, good for you for knowing that.

And I think it's one of the things that people don't understand.

He,

part of his, his

way, his method, is to be the guy with a twitchy eye.

He's not crazy, but you're not sure he won't do something crazy.

You know what I mean?

And that's the way he's always

just opened things and changed the paradigm.

So

can you talk to a little bit about that?

Because people, I think there are some people that

think he's just, you know, shooting from the hip.

He doesn't know what he's doing.

He's not well read.

He's just going in and vomiting out words.

Where I think he is actually much more strategic.

I think you're definitely right.

And he does have that sense.

If everybody knows what you're going to do and you say, if you don't do this, this is what I'm going to do.

Well,

then you've given your entire playbook to the other side.

And the president never wants anybody to know what his playbook looks like.

It was one of the things he talked about that frustrated him so much with Obama is he would tell our adversaries, you know, exactly when we were going to withdraw or here's what we're going to do next.

And he's like, why would you ever tell the enemy what your plan is?

And he said, we have to have a level of unpredictability so they don't know what our next move is.

So we have the element of surprise and we get more of what we're working towards.

And I think that's how, I think you're exactly right.

There was a strategy behind a lot of those moments that most people thought, oh my gosh, he's crazy.

Like, I can't believe he's doing that.

But really, there was a very clear method to the madness and he had a

solid, clear goal in mind, and he was going to take steps to make sure he got there.

When you went with him, you talk about it in the book to meet Kim Jong Il, right?

Oon.

Is it Oon or Il?

I can't remember.

One's a son, one's a father.

But

you,

I mean, that was, that had to be a surreal

moment.

And here's the president saying all kinds, he's saying, I'm going to, you know, he'll burn in the fires of the fury of the, you know, nuclear missiles.

And the next moment he's like, he's a great guy.

We talked basketball.

I mean, it was insane.

Tell me what it was like to be there and what you saw that we didn't see.

You know, it was, like you said, I think surreal is probably one of the best words you could use to describe it because there's nothing else like walking into that room.

And first, watching that moment unfold between the two leaders walking across that carpet and shaking hands for the very first time, very historic moment.

And to witness that firsthand and then later sit at the table across from Kim Jong-un was startling in some ways, but also very surreal.

One of the things that I thought the president was masterful at, both in that meeting as well as watching him over the course of that two and a half year timeframe was his ability to connect with somebody, talk about things that they were interested in, but then still manage to cover NBA basketball and make a sharp right turn and start talking about denuclearization.

Not a lot of people can fit those two topics into the same one-hour conversation, like Donald Trump can do.

And he did it seamlessly and flawlessly to be able to engage them at a level that they wanted to talk about things,

but then still accomplish his goals and lay out what he expected.

So,

what did we get from that in the end?

What will be the legacy there?

Well, I think the first couple of things

were the buildup from before that meeting.

Certainly,

getting our hostages back from North Korea was certainly, I think, a very positive thing.

Getting the remains of U.S.

soldiers back and giving those families closure, stopping and halting testing during that timeframe.

But even just the open dialogue to start a conversation, it's not lost on anybody, the challenge that is presented of taking nuclear weapons away from Kim Jong-un or anybody else.

That is going to be difficult no matter what nation you're trying to accomplish that with, and particularly a place like North Korea.

And the president went into that clear-eyed and very well aware that that was an uphill battle.

But it was one worth going down that road.

And I feel like he's made progress.

Does that mean it'll happen in his presidency?

I don't know, but he's definitely making steps in the right direction.

We were at an all-time high level of tension between the United States and North Korea.

That has dropped down, and now there's at least some dialogue.

There's also the sanctions, the toughest ever sanctions that have ever been on North Korea, are still in place.

And I think that that has been a key component of the president's strategy with North Korea is not lifting those sanctions while the conversations were ongoing.

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My entire life,

everyone I knew said,

why are we in bed with people?

Why don't we just say, that's the capital in Jerusalem, and let the chips fall where they may?

And State Department and all the experts always said, no, no, it'll be the biggest war ever.

I don't know a lot of people that thought that that would happen that way.

Donald Trump was the first one to just go, screw it, I'm not going your way.

Is this the reason they hate him so much?

Because he's disrupting

this deep state or this state that just thinks they know better than everybody else?

I think it's definitely has to be one of the big reasons.

And it wasn't just the embassy.

It was the Iran deal.

It was the Paris climate agreement.

These were all things that people said, if you do this, essentially the world will come to an end.

And the president said, I don't believe you.

And he did it.

And look, we're all still here.

The world didn't end.

And he was right to push forward on things that so many other people had spoken out against, but been afraid to do.

I mean, every president before him said they would move the embassy.

And then when the moment came, they never did it.

And this was a president who said, you know what?

We said we were going to to do it.

We're going to do it.

And they

couldn't handle that he actually followed through on something he said he was going to do and disrupted the order of how they felt things should happen.

And certainly, I think that's one of the reasons that the American people love Donald Trump.

And it's one of the reasons the DC swamp hates him.

So I don't know if you saw the news.

I think it came out this week

about

Vinman.

That Vinman turns out to be the whistleblower.

And the whistleblower was not really a whistleblower.

The whistleblower got all of the information from Vinman

because it couldn't come from Vinman.

And

the Democratic

side knew about it.

That's why Peter Schiff was saying all of a sudden, no, no, you can't know who he is.

First, you can absolutely interview him.

We're going to bring him to the table.

Then, no, no one can know his name because it would have gone back to Vindman.

And Vinman, his problem was he didn't like the way the president wanted to proceed in Ukraine.

Can you tell me

how deep does this infection go?

How many Vindmans are there?

Are all departments in our government like this?

That a lot of them are just on autopilot and we'll just do what we want anyway and we'll outlast you?

I don't know how deep it goes, but I know that it's definitely all over government.

And one of the things

that I saw, and certainly with some of the senior officials, is they would come into the administration with their own agenda.

And they forgot somewhere along the way that nobody voted for them.

Their name never appeared anywhere on the ballot.

And they came with a plan and thought that they could just get Donald Trump to do what they wanted.

I don't know where they had been in a lifetime to think that they could get Donald Trump to do what they wanted, but it didn't work.

And when it didn't, they would get very angry and lash out.

And again, it's one of the reasons the president

has such a loyal, enthusiastic base of support is because he has pushed back on all of kind of the DC norms.

And,

you know, I think he fought back against those people.

He was willing to tell them no.

And they didn't like not getting to control the agenda.

One of the things I think that happens to a lot of people in Washington, they get so drunk on power and so consumed with the idea that they should be the president.

They almost convince themselves that they are.

And it's their decision to make, their agenda to drive.

And when Donald Trump didn't fall in line, they didn't like it at all.

The image that you get if you just watch the press is that

Donald Trump is isolated.

He's got nobody in the White House he can trust.

Everybody in the White House is trying secretly to

keep him to look stable and try to have him not destroy the country.

And then that is somewhat helped by the number of leaks early on.

What's the reality

of the White House?

There's certainly some bad actors that are in the White House, but there are also a lot of people that I met that I got the privilege of serving alongside that love our country, support our president, and want to see both him and America be successful.

And I'm thankful that they're there and that the president has a good group of people.

Every White House has had leaks, certainly.

This one has probably had more than others.

And I think some of that, too, and the president has talked about this before, and I've heard him tell the story about how he'd only been to Washington a handful of times before his actual inauguration.

He really hadn't spent a lot of time in D.C.

And he didn't know a lot of the players.

And,

you know, he had been met with a lot of them, but he didn't really know some of the movers and shakers in previous administrations in the way that he does now.

And he said, you know, I show up and one of the first nights I ever spend in Washington, D.C.

is at the White House.

And so some of that was learning who those people were and building a really good team around him.

I think he's got some great people in his cabinet that have done just a tremendous job.

Bill Barr, Mike Pompeo, to name a few that have really been spectacular in their roles.

Stephen Mnuchin, Larry Kudlow in the NEC office.

And then he's got a circle there in the White House that are really a great team and people that are very loyal both to the president and to the country.

So when the impeachment was going on,

we started doing our homework and I wanted, I told my staff, find out the truth.

If the president is doing something, then we expose it.

If he's not, we expose that.

What is the truth?

And we did months of research, and

it's very clear what happened there.

And

I know you had, you were investigated

for the report, for the Mueller report.

You just mentioned Bob Barr.

I put a lot of hope into Bob Barr.

But

I mean, are we going to see real

change and a restoration of some credibility?

Will people go to jail for the things that were happening?

I certainly hope so.

I think that the level of corruption that went on, particularly, and I can speak more personally about the Russia witch hunt, because I was there during that process and during that time.

And the level of corruption and the lengths to which people went to to try to take the president down are unprecedented.

And, you know, I think Bill Barr has done a great job of coming in and really moving that forward.

I'm not sure if he hadn't come in, if we wouldn't still be in the middle of the Mueller investigation.

He helped bring that to a conclusion.

He helped get that information out and a summary very quickly, fully exonerating and vindicating the president from that absurd two-year waste of taxpayer time and resources to bring us to where where we are now.

And again, I remain hopeful that we see the people that were responsible and people who truly have played a role in the corruption

held accountable at some point.

I'm concerned,

again, with

where we are as a country and the media and everything else.

And I have been watching for the tools of revolution for a long time, since 2006.

I started really researching revolution and

coups and everything else.

And they have captured everything now that is needed, except the military.

But if you notice, they are now trying to separate the military from the president.

They're trying to,

I mean, you were there in France.

The latest story is that, you know, he called fallen soldiers losers, et cetera, et cetera.

They were all anonymous sources.

You were there.

Tell me what happened.

Well, not only was I there and I've spoken out on the record, but I think 11 other people who were also on that trip have come out on the record and talked about not just that day,

but their overall experience with the president.

I think the people who are making this outrageous charge are such cowards for doing so in an anonymous way.

If you really believe this and believed it was wrong, one, why did it take you so long?

And two,

put your name on it the way the rest of us have.

I was there that day.

I was part of the discussion about the president's movements and the logistics.

And he didn't say those things.

But not only was I there that day, Glenn, I spent two and a half years traveling all over the world with the president watching him interact with men and women of our armed forces almost every single day during that two and a half year period i watched him sit in the oval office and make condolence calls to families i watched the emotional toll that took on the president in those moments i saw his heart i saw a person who doesn't normally show vulnerability show some I watched when we traveled and we were going to do a fuel stop at two o'clock in the morning.

And we were coming back from Asia and we were going to be on the ground, I think, about two hours.

And the president said, oh, well, let's get off the plane and say hi to the troops.

And they said, well, Mr.

President, it'll be two o'clock in the morning because it's a military base.

Do you mean to tell me nobody's working at two o'clock in the morning?

He said, if we get off and we see 10 people, we see 10 people.

But we'll see who's on duty.

We'll say hello.

We'll thank them.

But we're not landing at a military base and not saying hi to the troops.

When we landed at that military base, there were hundreds, if not thousands, of troops that had come out in the freezing cold in a hangar at 2 o'clock in the morning to see the president.

And we ended up staying for a long time.

He went all the way up and down the rope line, shaking hands, taking pictures, making remarks before we got back on the plane and headed home.

This is a person who loves America and loves the people who allow the rest of us to live in America free and have prosperity.

And I got to see that a lot.

And I think it is shameful that people are trying to distort who he is and what he has done, particularly when it comes to the men and women of our military.

The one thing that I think I had nailed in 2016 was, and it was something that I could not put into place really until recently.

And I said,

his children love him.

I mean, love him.

And

you would have to believe that his children, all of his children, are also monsters if he's a monster.

And that just didn't ever fit right with me because they're diverse and every family has, you know, a wayward kid or whatever.

But to have all of them be monsters.

And covering for a monster would be insane to think.

And then I watched this convention, which I thought was remarkable.

And I saw the private side of Donald Trump.

And

is it safe to say that there, in some ways,

not a

broken personality, but that there are two Donald Trumps.

The one that is the mover, the shaker, the Titan, the president, that is, and the performer,

and the other one that really only his family sees the quiet Donald Trump that you never see

is that do you think that's accurate or not

I don't know if there's a quiet Donald Trump so I don't know if I would use that term but I do think that there is

a side of the president the generous and the compassionate and the kind Donald Trump that a lot of people don't see one of the stories I write about in the book, and one that frankly I was even surprised by,

there was one day I came into the back dining room of the Oval Office.

The president's sitting there, and he asked me, have you ever heard of this music group called Point of Grace?

I was like, actually, yes, I have.

I'm like, they performed at my wedding, but where did you hear about them?

And he's like, I saw them on TV.

I thought they had the most beautiful voices, just incredible.

He said, such great spirit, such a great message.

They're a Christian group of women that went to the same small college in Arkansas that I went to, very small world here that he saw this.

And out of nowhere, he randomly sent them a check for like $5,000 just because he wanted them to get their message to more people because he liked it, because he saw it.

And it was little moments like that that I think people would

be surprised by

and not expect from Donald Trump.

And there were, I think, a lot of moments like that, but I think you are exactly right that his kids, they didn't just start working for him or start being around him when he became president.

They all worked in the Trump organization.

They all have,

you know, really celebrated and championed the work that he's done.

And now they've been willing to take all the hits,

a huge sacrifice personally.

They are probably as brutally attacked as anybody ever has been.

And they keep doing it, and they keep fighting and they keep standing up and standing with him.

And I think that says a lot about him and a lot about each of them as well.

After the RNC,

I actually wrote a letter

to the children

and

apologizing.

Even though I never said anything about them,

I

was so moved by

how wrong I had been that I realized I didn't even realize, I didn't even think, I know what my children go through, you know what your children go through when you're attacked, and it was just, it was a little overwhelming

on

just the cruelty that can,

that everybody seems to be going through, and they are at the top of that heap.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So

what's next for you?

When are you going to sit in your father's old chair?

Well, we'll see.

Right now, I want to help the president get re-elected in 2020.

I'd like to see us keep the Senate.

I'd love to see Republicans take the House and never have to say Speaker Pelosi again.

So right now, I'm focused on 2020.

The Arkansas governor's race is in 2022, and our governor, Asa Hutchinson, is termed out.

And I'll make a decision at some point after we get through this cycle whether or not I'll make a run for that.

You

tell an interesting story about the Bill Clinton machine and your dad in the book.

Can you tell that story?

Yeah, so my dad,

the very first time he ran for office was in 1992.

I was 10 years old at the time, and he lost

the U.S.

Senate race that year.

But because that same year, Bill Clinton was on the ballot, not the best year to run as a Republican in the home state of the guy who wins the presidency.

But because Bill Clinton won, the lieutenant governor became governor and they held a special election for the lieutenant governor.

They came to my dad, the party apparatus, and said, Look, we don't know if you have much of a shot, but we think if we do, you're the best one we've got.

So will you run?

He said, well, with an endorsement like that, why not?

So

he launches into the race and he surprises everybody and he wins the governor's race in 93,

upsetting the Democrat machine

campaign, the Clinton campaign or Clinton White House had raised money for his opponent directly from Washington.

They held back nothing to try to defeat him and he still managed to win.

And they were so excited that he won that to welcome him to the Capitol, they zeroed out the entire budget and nailed his door shut so that he couldn't physically occupy the office.

It took about 59 days before even some of the Democrats said, guys, this is getting absurd.

Like, let the man in the door.

So finally, they opened the office, but he had to raise private funds to buy furniture, to get stationery for a government office that he had been elected to because the Democrat Clinton machine in Arkansas was not happy to see him arrive.

And it's only gotten worse, hasn't it?

Unfortunately.

Do you miss it at all?

I definitely miss the people

and I miss being in the center of the action and getting to work with the team that I really loved and getting to work with the president who I came to get very close to.

And so I miss that part of it.

There are certainly days where I look and I'm like, I'm glad that I'm not there today.

And I also get to spend a lot of time with my kids and I'm very thankful for that time.

I get to drop them off and pick them up from school a lot more often than I ever did at the White House.

And that's a really nice transition and a really nice time to get to share with my family.

Well, I have to tell you, Sarah,

you know, there are people that have gone to battle and lost a leg and lost arms and lost their lives in service.

You went in and did battle, and while you didn't lose anything physically, and I don't think you lost anything spiritually either, I thank you for your service sincerely.

It was grotesque what was done to you.

Absolutely grotesque.

And

you don't seem any worse for the wear.

Well, thank you.

I really appreciate it and appreciate you letting me be on and us getting to have a good conversation today.

It's nice to actually talk to a friendly face every once.

I know, I know.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the name of the book is Speaking for Myself, and it is available everywhere,

wherever you buy your books.

Thank you so much, Sarah.

God bless.

You bet.

Thank you so much.

You bet.

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