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Oh, hello, America.

From the Standing Rock Ranch, it is Friday.

You know, now that most of us aren't working, it doesn't mean quite as much as it used to, but

it is still Friday.

And I'm sorry, but I need some time to screw off and just blow off some steam.

And I had an idea.

You know, the national anthem is very, very racist.

I don't know if you know that, but very racist.

So I've got an idea on that.

Also,

we've got a...

I need a translation.

Joe Biden said something on ABC, and I have absolutely no idea what he was talking about.

So, you know, maybe we'll give a, I don't know, give one of my socialist books books away.

Just scratch out all of the bad parts about socialism, and it's perfect for today's America.

But if somebody can actually translate on what the hell he was even talking about,

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Also, a couple of people who are experts on Epstein.

Did he kill himself?

Did he not kill himself?

And what are they doing to keep his...

Was she his

lover,

co-worker I don't even

I don't even know exactly what she was but you know she's in prison now and they're gonna keep her super super safe we have that and so much more oh oh by the way did you hear about the mayor of uh of Seoul South Korea

he committed suicide now when I started reading about this,

I thought, oh crap, what does that mean?

Was this a killing of him?

No, apparently, he had been outed and there was some scandal going on in his life, and he committed suicide.

And I thought,

man,

if our elected officials were just a little bit more like the South Koreans,

so many of our problems would just disappear, wouldn't they?

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Yes.

It's Friday.

Hey, I saw this today.

The Australian Square Kilometer Array Pathfinder.

In other words, a big, huge radio telescope

found four things we've never seen before.

Four faint objects that the radio wavelengths show are highly circular and brighter along the edges, and they're unlike anything we've ever seen before.

Now, I don't know what this is.

It could be a different kind of sun.

It could be a planet.

I'm hoping it's alien spaceships on the way here.

I have never hoped for an alien invasion of the world

ever.

I was going to say, I've never hoped for it more.

I've never hoped for an alien invasion of the world.

I am right now.

I'm really kind of there.

I'm ready for the aliens just to come on in and take it.

I mean, what's it worth at this point?

Just take it.

We don't really need it.

Just take it anymore.

Just go for it.

You can see by the way we're treating it.

Right.

Even if their plans for humanity, it is a cookbook, I'm pretty okay with that.

I really,

you know, I'm okay.

And I think it would be the most sane thing that happened in 2020.

By the way, did you hear about the guy who stole a car

and

he was

fleeing from the authorities, those damn police officers?

Just let him have the car.

Why not just let him have the car?

He needed the car.

Anyway, they were in a high-speed chase and he hit somebody.

He was in a stolen Toyota land cruiser and

he hit somebody in the intersection.

But

the person that he hit was a woman

who was also driving a stolen car.

And

she also was driving under the influence.

So the cops really kind of got two birds with one stone.

Or

these two people were so

unbelievably

kept down by the man.

You know, they're both white, but hey, they probably believe in Black Lives Matter, and that's probably what they were doing was stealing these cars to give them to poor black children in the inner cities.

And the police come in and oppress them even more.

Don Lemon said yesterday that even Christ said

that

he wasn't perfect.

I don't remember that in my Bible.

Do you remember that, Stu?

I feel like there are lots of different denominations of Christianity, and none of them believe what Don Lemon said.

I'm sorry, who?

Who?

What?

Nobody believe what?

Don Lemon,

he's a theologian, isn't he?

Well, Reverend, sorry, Reverend Don Lemon.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm a Reverend Doctor, so I know these things.

I think that

he was very, very correct on that point.

And one other thing, the NFL has decided that they are going to

start now not just with the national anthem, but the black national anthem as well.

So every game will have two national anthems.

Do I have that right, Stu?

My understanding is they're going to do it before the first game.

So

the first week of game.

So it's going to happen in week one, but not in week two.

Now, it'll be interesting to see if they actually stand by that after week one

while you're erasing black.

Is this an act of black erasure?

Is that what's happening?

Yes.

Is that what they're doing?

I actually like

the black national anthem.

I don't know.

Have you ever heard of it?

I have not heard of it.

And I also,

like, I don't, I didn't know there was a black nation to have a national anthem.

I thought we were supposed to have a melting pot and such, but I guess that's long outdated.

Yeah, well.

Okay, so, okay, let's not, let's not quibble over that.

I mean, who really owns Oklahoma anyway?

Anyway,

so the black national anthem

is

actually really good.

Do we have the copy of the first, this is the first recording of it, like in 1920.

I'm playing it because nobody owns the rights to it.

What do you mean you don't have it?

It's

right there.

Bowie, sent it all to you.

Do we not have these national hits?

We have some technical issues, it looks like.

We have a technical issue.

I was singing it for you.

No, I actually don't know what it is.

It's really, really good.

It's really good.

And

I like it.

Now, here's the thing:

most people don't know this, but it was written by a Republican.

Are they doing that?

So, I don't know what to do now.

Do they allow African Americans in the Republican Party?

Is that now a new thing?

Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Apparently, they do and have since Abraham Lincoln.

But it was a black guy who wrote it, and it's really, really, I really like it.

The problem with it is, is the lyrics actually go against Black Lives Matter.

So I'm all for playing it and singing it because the lyrics are pretty offensive if you believe in Black Lives Matter.

So I don't know what to do.

Of course, now they're offensive again because it was written by a Republican, which I love.

And his Republican brother set it to music,

which I love.

But that's just for people who pay attention to history.

All right, let me take a break so the control room can talk to me about what's happening because

otherwise everything I've planned for today,

you know, we're just going to have to make up.

I mean, for a guy who's going into the Radio Hall of Fame, I don't see a lot of improbability here.

I mean, what's going on?

Well, I'd just like to know where we're going.

That's all.

Geez.

That's all where you have to go.

You think Rush Limbaugh needs to know where he's going?

He just does the show.

I mean, if you want to go into the Radio Hall of of Fame, you need to swing with the big boys here, Glenn.

You were nominated.

Not going to be

nominated.

I am the Susan Lucci of the Radio Hall of Fame.

I'm nominated, and it's such an honor, but

I got to get into the Radio Hall of Fame.

And you know what's really bad this year is the people that are nominated.

I don't mind losing to John and Ken.

I think John and Ken are great at KFI.

I think they are absolutely, they're legendary.

They belong in the Hall of Fame.

I don't mind losing to them.

But if I lose to the people on NPR, I'm going to hang myself.

I cannot lose to the people on NPR.

I mean, John and Ken, yes, but if the people that get in

are the people from NPR,

come on.

Come on.

Yeah, and I like to use this as a criticism, but you know the NPR people are not improving during their shows.

So.

No, no.

And they've got like 400 people.

They're government.

They're government.

They have 400 people writing.

All you have to do is write one word in this monologue and then somebody else, you pass it on.

It's like a chain of monkeys that are right.

They've got all these people at NPR and it sucks.

I just want to point that out.

Wow, you're talking, are you talking trash about the soft-spoken words of NPR?

Of NPR.

Yeah.

Yes, I am.

They do have a lot of

resources over there.

It's an interesting thing because they have so many producers.

I like the idea, though, that they're all writing one word per week and handing the scripts down.

Like, if you have the easy week,

I think that's what happens.

You know, if the is your week, my is.

This is my is, guys.

Guys, I came up with something really, really good.

See if you can build on this.

My word, summer.

Take it.

Take it.

Wow.

I've been working all week on that.

Yeah.

It's great.

It's good.

So I already have put together my

acceptance speech, which I'll do at some point.

You can only be nominated five times.

I think this is my third.

And

so

now, Susan Lucci, you do realize that this audience has something to say about you getting into the Radio Hall of Fame.

You do realize that.

That starting, I believe, on Monday,

they can vote for their favorite show.

And I think it's John and Ken, it's you.

But this audience, just to be funny,

this audience, just to be funny,

will vote for the NPR people.

It is to torture you.

I don't do that.

We just don't do that.

That's a little half.

They will vote for the NPR people just today.

They'll be like, this is hysterical.

Yeah.

This is hysterical.

I hope they don't do that.

It would be nice for you to get in.

You deserve to be in, even though obviously

all of your success is really more based on me.

But, you know, you still, it was a lot of success.

So, no, you definitely deserve to be in.

Hopefully, that happens this year.

But you're right, John and Ken will be in too.

Every year, there's always really good shows.

I mean, it's

yeah, I don't mind losing to John and Ken.

I mean, I'm expecting to lose to John and Ken.

Yeah, I'm expecting you to lose to John and Ken, too.

If I lose to NPR, if I'm not at least in second and first is not NPR,

I mean, there's just, I'll lose the will to live.

I really, I really will.

I mean, you still have some?

America's chosen Marxism, it seems.

Okay.

But the people at NPR, too?

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Well,

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I wanted to make this a fun show today, but apparently

things crashed at the studio.

We are having so many problems right now.

We must be doing something important

because we are just having so many issues.

That crash that happened for Restoring Hope

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We lost the network.

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NPR never

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Of course, they also don't have anybody after them, like Satan.

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I think he's after us.

Oh, by the way,

when are the Black Lives Matter people going to get to the National Gallery of Art?

Because they really need to.

Because in the National Gallery of Art is

a statue of Margaret Sanger.

And I don't know if you know much about Margaret Sanger, but she didn't really like black people.

In fact, she said, let's kill all of their babies and and let's get the church, the black churches on board.

We can't tell them that's our goal.

We're just going to tell them we care about their community and we care about women and we'll kill all the black people.

But that's all she said.

Well, actually, no, that's not all she said.

But that's a thumbnail sketch of, you know, Margaret Sanger, you know, in a nutshell.

And she's got a beautiful, beautiful statue there in the National Gallery of Art.

And I'm just wondering,

when the highbrow BLM people finally get around to it, are you going to ask the National Gallery of Art to remove the statue of Margaret Sanger?

Somehow, I tend to doubt that that's going to be a priority for this particular statue ripping down movement.

Huh.

Really?

Huh.

Yeah, seems to be low on the priority list.

That's never been a concern, apparently.

The most racist things that Sanger said never seemed to be a concern for BLM or any other left-wing activists.

You can't judge her.

You can't judge her.

She was from a different age, you know.

And there are many things that people say that, you know, I might disagree with, but I still agree with them on other things.

I mean, you could judge the

Hitler on that one.

Right, right, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, as Deshaun Jackson found out, you can't, there's no good words that come from Hitler that you should be throwing in quotes.

That's never a good idea.

And I put, I just want to, I just want you to know, I put Margaret Sanger in that category.

I mean, she did teach the Germans an awful lot.

They believed in eugenics, both about eugenics.

Yeah, very much so.

And she was taught by the eugenics people in Germany before the war on how to sell it to the American people.

So

it's kind of, again, you know, two peas in a pod there.

I'm just

pointing out that there's other Margaret Sanger statues.

I know there is a Margaret Sanger statue in Hillary Clinton's

living room because

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It is Friday, and Pat Gray is joining us now.

Pat,

you are a guy who really, I mean, you understand the English language like very few people do.

So I was hoping, because I think he's speaking English, I was hoping you could translate and tell me what Joe Biden was talking about or what he's trying to say here

live on ABC.

Here he is.

Listen.

He knows I believe this every fiber of my being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

What I propose is

it can be done.

I think we're in a position

to really make it happen.

And my team and your team are already working closely together

to light up the path forward here.

I don't have a team.

Critical laws like the PRO Act to strengthen collective bargaining.

The PRO Act.

On politics, like prevailing.

Look.

Look.

I guess I'm getting, I'm just taking too much time.

He's too deep now.

He's too deep.

That is his defense.

Look, he got a lot of things.

I don't know what he.

I don't know.

What was he saying here,

Pat?

Because, you know, we missed the very first word.

Could you play that again?

We missed the very first word, too, because it was an interesting word choice.

Lonnie knows I believe this every fiber of my being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

Okay.

Lonnie knows.

Lonnie knows that

he's posed.

We're posed.

Of his being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

Okay.

So

I think the man is ready to lead.

I think he's ready to lead.

Yes.

He's ready to lead us right to a nursing home.

Yeah, that's where he's leading.

Can I tell you something?

Wow.

Can I tell you something?

And it would be the fitting ending for 2020, wouldn't it?

Yes.

Yeah, it really would.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

if this guy is elected,

you're actually voting for his vice presidential choice for the top of the ticket.

You just have to understand that.

If you're going to vote for Joe Biden, you know, not long into his first term, the vice president will be the president of the United States.

Well, Lonnie knows.

I really believe that.

Lonnie knows.

Lonnie knows.

We're posed.

We're posed.

We're posed.

And his team and my team, we're working together.

Well, but look, I didn't know that.

No,

look.

I've said too much.

Etc.

I love that.

There's something I really love about that defense mechanism.

It's like whenever he screws something up badly enough, he just says he's been talking too long.

Yeah.

It's like most people are able to just continue to talk and get through all the sentences with the words in the right order.

You've literally been talking for about 10 seconds.

You really haven't said that much.

You haven't.

Okay.

No.

Can we play it one more time?

Because I think it's so deep what he said here.

Lonnie knows I believe this every fiber of my being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

What I propose is

can be done.

I think we're in a position to be able to be able to be able to

make it happen.

And my team and your team are already working closely together

to light up the path forward.

Maybe.

Critical laws like the PRO Act to strengthen collective bargaining.

On politics, like prevailing and

prevailing and look.

Yes,

I'm taking too much time.

Look, I'm just getting senile.

Look, I'm just getting senile here.

And I think we all know that, so I should just stop talking.

There is an interesting thing that goes on with Biden where he's not completely gone because he's still able to catch that he sounds like an idiot in the middle of it.

Yeah.

He's still catching these things.

He's like, oppose, you know, crap, what I propose.

And then he corrects himself.

He's still at the level where he can recognize his moments of senility.

That's not going to last forever.

But what he proposed was, we can do this?

Wait, you're proposing this.

What he proposed was, look,

look, we can do this.

Right, right.

Look.

And we can do this.

He gets so far down the road and realizes there's no, it's a dead end, right?

There's no, there's nowhere else to go.

So then he, that's when he says, look, I'm just, I've been driving too long.

You know, we're just going to pull the car over on the side of the road right here and pull the sack and call it a day.

All right.

Honestly, would you, if this was your grandpa and he said, hey, kids, everybody pile into the car.

I'm going to, I'm going to take us for a drive.

Would anyone in your family maybe say, hey, grandpa, how about if I I drive?

Or is he still driving in your family?

Nope.

No, absolutely not.

He's not driving.

No.

No.

No.

This is crazy.

Crazy.

All right.

Let me let me change subjects.

The Supreme Court has ruled that half of Oklahoma belongs to the Indian tribe.

And so, I mean, mean, it's like half of Tulsa.

Yeah.

And

really, what they did, Gorsuch was right in what he ruled.

Congress

never said the treaty is up.

They never said that.

So if they think the treaty is up, then they're going to have to act.

Unlike what John Roberts did with Obamacare, he didn't change the law because he knows the Supreme Court justice can't change the law.

So, actually, the one I think is wrong on this one is John Roberts because he's again

saying,

oh, yeah, but this is what they really meant.

No, no,

they have to do it if that's what they mean.

Well, I mean, you know, that's not just Roberts, though.

That was Clarence Thomas and Alito.

Oh, I know, I know.

I mean, so, and their argument was more about how it was handled in the process and who should be responsible for it.

But it does seem like

as is typical, the reason this issue exists is because Congress just wasn't clear and did their job.

Plus, the issue really for me is that they took the whole Cherokee nation and they put us on that reservation.

You know, they took away our way of life, the tomahawk, the bow and knife.

But your way of life?

Are you?

Yeah, they took away our native tongue and taught their English to our young.

You're young.

Yeah, yeah.

All the beans are made.

You know, it's really good.

All the beans we made by hand.

You know where they're made nowadays?

In Japan?

Or maybe even more nowadays?

China?

Indonesia?

Still, yeah.

So Vietnam.

Maybe.

Okay.

Korea.

Okay, okay.

You know what's interesting about the Cherokee Nation is, you know, on the Trail of Tears, which

I think Andrew Jackson was a monster.

He was a monster.

He was corrupt.

He was a Democrat, by the way.

He was corrupt.

He did not care.

He was a racist.

He put them on the Trail of Tears and did take away their land and broke all the treaties and everything else.

And he did it for greed, personal gain.

Now, with that being said, I just would like to point out that

the Cherokee Nation on the Trail of Tears,

they did travel

with their African-American slaves.

So

let's just

keep that into perspective: that

per capita, the Cherokee nation owned more slaves than white people did

and

slavery wasn't a white thing because they were enslaving you know other tribes before we ever got here

and

they didn't release their slaves until two years after America released hers but

but let's not talk about that that's inconvenient we don't want to hear about that.

That doesn't really fit.

What we're talking about.

Yeah, I don't even know what you're saying.

In fact, are you speaking English?

I don't think so.

I mean, with someone that makes a point that dumb get into the Radio Hall of Fame, no, it can't happen.

It happened.

It can't happen.

It cannot happen.

You know who you need.

It's not going to.

You need wait, wait from NPR.

What, wait, what?

Wait, wait.

Don't tell me from NPR.

Oh.

They don't even name the people that are going in.

It's just show.

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Don't tell me.

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It's a show.

So you're putting a show in the Radio Hall of Fame?

All right.

Well, whatever.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

John and Ken deserve to go instead of you.

But

if you get turned out for the best.

I don't mind.

If you get turned out for the second straight year, I'm going to be pissed.

I was pissed last year, and are you?

Yes, I'll be doubly.

And so I know that means a lot to the Radio Hall of Fame people.

So just know you're going to get the wrath of Pat.

The guy who didn't get foreigner into the rock and roll Hall of Fame will be coming after you.

Still working on it, though.

We're still in their picture.

Did you see in the long-standing

local show category, Mark and Bryan are actually up this year, too, which would be kind of cool to see.

Those guys are good, too.

Yeah, really good.

Those guys are great.

Bob Rivers.

I mean, there's some really big names in there that could go.

And I don't know if if they only, can only one get in in each category?

Is that how it works?

Yes.

That's how it works.

It's kind of like, you know, for your consideration, it's the Oscar thing, you know.

All right.

And it's an honor just to be nominated twice.

If you lose this, you're not going to be saying that after this year, are you?

It's an honor just to be nominated.

That won't be a thing after this year.

I mean, look, I think.

No, I haven't said that sincerely last year or this year.

No, it's about winning.

Look, I definitely think, you know, look, Glenn has had quite a career, even though obviously Pat and I have been really responsible for all the good things.

But I mean, when you come down to it, does Glenn deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

Sure, but would I rather have him have to suffer it out until year five?

Yes.

The last on the last vote.

You know, I...

I saw that I was nominated yesterday and I looked it up because I thought, I'm Susan Lucci.

I will be nominated 18 times and I will never get get into the Hall of Fame.

And no, they have a special rule.

You can only be nominated five times.

And then after that, they're like, look, this loser's not getting in.

So stop it.

Okay, just stop it.

But the audience can vote starting Monday.

Is that right?

I believe so.

Yes.

Yeah, I believe it is Monday.

Yeah.

So, you know, are they going to vote for Stephanie Miller just to spite you?

Or wait, wait, don't tell me from NPR?

Probably.

If I I lose to the NPR people, I think this audience, you know, this audience, Boy.

I hear you.

Just to be funny.

Just to be funny.

Just to be funny.

Yep.

I could see that happening.

So if I lose to NPR, it will be just for the laughs.

I know.

I know this audience.

And I thank you for that.

I really do.

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Oh, it'll be funny.

The NPR

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Man, that's going to be good.

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Yeah, CNN.

I just like pointing that out because I know it drives you crazy that I worked there.

But when I was there years ago, I remember looking at the biggest conspiracy theories in the nation.

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And I said, look out, that number is going to shoot through the roof.

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Look out, because that number is still going to shoot through the roof.

But there is one conspiracy theory that is growing on me,

and that is

the fact that Jeffrey Epstein died in jail, and

I don't think it was...

Well, let me just put it this way.

The best book on this is called A Convenient Death, because that's exactly what it was, at best, a very convenient death, because there were so many people that

needed him to be dead.

We have the author, the two authors of A Convenient Death, both really, really good investigative reporters.

In fact, one of them, Elena, she's the one who broke the story of Anthony Weiner's relationship with a 15-year-old girl.

So she's been down this road before,

and her partner, Daniel Harper, is the best-selling author of Clinton Inc.

So they've kind of been around the block a few times here and are going to fill us in.

The book came out just

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Elena Goodman, senior investigative reporter at the Washington Free Beacon.

She was a reporter at the Washington Examiner and Daily Mail that broke the story of Anthony Weiner.

She has been named one of Political's 16 breakout media stars.

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Daniel Halper, best-selling author of Clinton Inc., He was the Washington Bureau chief for the New York Post and online editor of the Weekly Standard.

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These guys are a couple of good reporters.

And I know it's hard to find good journalists now, but these are a couple of them.

And I wanted to have them on about their latest book, A Convenient Death,

because I'm having a really hard time

accepting

the fact that this guy got away with it for so long and there wasn't something weird going on.

Elena, Daniel, welcome to the program.

Hey, it's great to be here.

Thank you for having us.

You bet.

So, Elena,

let's start with you because were you

less skeptical than Daniel when you went in to look into his mysterious death?

I think we were I think

on the same page on this.

I think we went in

kind of skeptical of the skepticism over his death because, I mean, you know, you, you, Glenn, you've been around in the jungle for a long time, and you hear a lot of these stories, right?

You

hang on, Elena, Elena, hang on, we got to get, can we get Elena on a hard line or get her to move someplace because she's breaking up.

Elena, you're just breaking up so horribly, we can't, we can't really understand you.

Daniel, let me go to you, because you were skeptical of this, right?

Yeah, but our skepticism grew tremendously over the course of our reporting.

I mean, we were, as Elena was saying, we were skeptical of the skepticism, and, you know, we

don't like to sort of buy in the conventional wisdom, and we like to sort of question things.

But as the story grew, you know, you mentioned sort of in the in the preview the the moon conspiracy and how that's

how that, you know, that's the just a couple percent and now it's up to 13 percent.

What's interesting about sort of comparing the conspiracies is the moon conspiracy, the closer you get when you talk to like astronauts or people at NASA, they don't tend to believe it.

Whereas in this conspiracy, the closer we got, the more the sources closer to Jeffrey Epstein that we got, they all believed it, primarily.

And I thought that was a very striking contrast to other conspiracies where most people close to Jeffrey Epstein tended to believe that he was murdered, whereas other conspir and of course the official story is suicide, whereas other conspiracies, the closer you get, the fewer people tend to believe it.

So I thought that was a very sharp contrast and a pretty convincing one in my book.

Well, I will tell you that I hate conspiracy theories and what we live through right now with people who are uneducated in stories.

They don't really know what they're talking about.

They believe anything that the headline says, even if the headline disagrees with what the actual story says.

And it's just, there's so much ignorance and self-imposed ignorance.

However, on this, the more I look into it and

the more I see on how he got away with things,

I just,

the conspiracy in my own head grows

because

I could see him being an intelligence asset

by a really corrupt intelligence agency that was protecting him.

You know, kind of a Hoover kind of situation.

Is there any inkling of any of that kind of stuff from anyone?

Yeah, for sure.

Certainly he wanted people to believe that.

We talked to a friend, a close friend of his, who would make references to, who said that Jeffrey Epstein would make references to, oh, back in Langley this or back in Langley that.

And of course, there's been rumors of him being close to the Mossad and Glene Maxwell, his accomplice as the feds now agree with us his accomplice in all this Glene Maxwell her dad was allegedly close to the Mossad as well as to British intelligence so

this is a very the conspiracy goes deep very deep and these are people who are extremely well connected or were well extremely well connected they were close to presidents princes the top financiers they were close to the top people in academia and academia.

These are people who use their connections to commit crimes, to do bad things to bad people, to gain money and monetary benefits.

And ultimately, they used it to get away with it for a very long time.

And I think one of the biggest shocks is, in fact, that Ghelaine Maxwell herself was arrested in the end, and Jeffrey Epstein was arrested again.

Those are more shocking in a way, given the rest of the story.

So, Elena, let me ask you this.

Did they

use this information for their own personal gain?

Because I don't understand how you could do this and not think that somebody had a camera.

I mean,

somebody had to have a camera.

Somebody was, you know, taping you.

Is there any evidence that they were using this to enrich themselves, either Ghelane or Jeffrey?

Well, definitely there were cameras.

We talked to friends of Epstein who were at his home in New York who said it was completely wired.

And he was actually open about this with people.

He would point out the cameras around his house almost as if he was kind of proud of this.

And I think that a part of that was because Epstein liked to pull information out of people that could be potentially

used against them at a later time.

And we get into that also with his friendship with Bill Clinton and things like that, and the kind of

situations that he would put Bill Clinton in and like inappropriate subjects that he would broach with him during their travels.

Give me a Elena, give me a example of that.

So Epstein was obsessed with the Monica Lewinsky

scandal because he felt that, you know,

Monica Lewinsky, I guess to him, she wasn't Epstein's type, so he didn't understand why Clinton risked his whole presidency on this.

So during one of their trips, he asks Bill Clinton, you know, what happened with that?

Why would you, you know, put your whole presidency on the line to sleep with this girl?

And Clinton told him, well, you know, the government was shut down and she was the only, she was the only girl in the White House, basically.

Oh, Estpy.

So proud of this information that he had received that he called a friend of his from the plane to say, get this.

This is what Bill Clinton just told me about his relationship with Monica.

There was also another instance.

when Bill Clinton was traveling to Asia with Epstein and Epstein tried to rope him into

an orgy with McJagger from The Rolling Stones.

This is a story that was told to us by Alan Dershowitz, who was Epstein's lawyer, who said that Epstein told him this directly.

So

there were a lot of situations like that that we came across.

So

let's focus in just quickly on Dershowitz.

Dershowitz has been on my show, and he absolutely denies that he had anything to do with any of this stuff.

Was he just the lawyer?

Well, yeah, I mean, Dershowitz has written a whole book on this, as I'm sure you know.

You know,

I think that Dershowitz makes a compelling case.

I read his book, and I've spoken to him, and I've also interviewed other people who've known him for a long time.

You know, this is the first time I've seen allegations like this against him.

You know, I have not spoken to Virginia Jufra about it, so I really can't say whose side I fall down on this, but I would say I think that from what I've seen from Jershowitz, that his,

you know, his side is compelling.

So, so, Daniel, why would people

like Bill Clinton and others

go along with this?

I mean, first of all, let me ask you this.

Is there any way that you were on his plane and you were involved with him more than once and you didn't know something was wrong?

I find it very hard to believe when people say that, and they tend to say it now

even more strongly, that, oh, I had no idea the whole time.

And the thing about the Jeffrey Epstein allegations is that we've known about them for years, decades.

These aren't new,

and they're very public.

So I find it striking when people say, oh, I just had no idea, and I really just like the guy.

And I think initially,

what most people found attractive about Jeffrey Epstein, and he was a charismatic guy.

I think he was personable, and people liked him, and they thought he was smart and compelling.

But

I just don't think Jeffrey Epstein becomes Jeffrey Epstein without the money.

And I think the allure of the money

really

attracted a strange cast of characters that for some reason thought the closer they were with him, the more likely they were to get some of it or that he would somehow fund their projects in terms of

academia.

And obviously some of these people

partook in some of the acts themselves and that there have been strong allegations against a number of Jeffrey Epstein's associates that

they were

trafficking or partaking in the trafficking of of these girls.

So, I mean,

I don't think you should discount the personality of Jeff Ripson.

I also don't think you should count the money, but obviously also there's the sex, which was a strong allure for any number of people.

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Okay, so Daniel, I just asked you, and I think this is reasonable.

He was charismatic, he had a lot of money,

he had powerful friends, and so you could think that he was going to get away with it.

But I don't understand why these very famous, influential people,

if they knew

why they would hang out with him or participate at all, just the chances of being blackmailed would be off the charts.

Well, certainly some felt that way, and some didn't.

But I think the shocking

the shocking realization is that so many people didn't feel that way and very prominent people academics financiers media

and I think that's that's a surprising thing yeah I think that's I had a character well

the character of the people that were riding on the plane

exactly

to do yeah to do that to continue to associate with him especially after

you know his first arrest in 2004

yeah yeah yeah So, Elena,

I had a

very important

person in the art world in New York City tell me that,

you know, when you look into some of the into the art world in New York, it is human trafficking.

I mean, made some incredible claims.

And as I was looking into this and I saw how he was so influential

and the people at the

big art school that he would support

the the person that was in charge of that that was

saying no no no no you could get more money over here but you are going to sell your work to this person and he's going to help do you think they had any idea what was going on or did they just see this as money

Well,

you know, I don't know in that specific instance, but

I I will say that's horrifying because especially as a young arts student, you're trying it's it's extremely hard to make it in that industry professionally.

And you have somebody who has this power over your career putting that immense pressure on you.

So yeah,

it's an awful situation.

And that was kind of what Epstein was able to do.

He was able to see these people, individuals who have levers of power, and he was able to use that.

He was extremely manipulative and good at conning people.

So, Daniel, you said earlier that now the federal government believes that

Maxwell was his partner in crime.

That was not believed for a while, and how much danger is she in now in prison?

Well, the only reason I say it wasn't believed until now is because she's been running free.

And, you know, I think a lot of people imagine that had she feared that the American government was coming after her, she would have left America.

She has two other passports in addition to an American passport.

She had, you know, the Fed's estimate $20 million.

She has the means and the access to go elsewhere, and she didn't.

So I think that's the strongest sign we have that she didn't fear the government.

So then

let's pick it up there.

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Okay, so

we have Epstein in prison now,

and he's finally been nailed.

Is there anything that shows why this happened this time, why the government seemed to take it seriously, and he couldn't get away with with it anymore?

Well, I think the biggest thing was Donald Trump got elected.

And I know it seems totally disconnected, but as you'll recall, his labor secretary was Alex Acosta.

And Alex Acosta was the prosecutor in Florida who came under criticism for going soft on Jeffrey Epstein the first time.

So in a weird way, I think, at least, that the connection between Donald Trump getting elected, I mean, in a weird way, I think like if Hillary Clinton gets elected, sort of the Jeffrey Epstein story goes away.

And in a weird way, it was the media trying to go after Donald Trump that,

you know, then went after Alex Acosta and therefore reignited this firestorm around Epstein.

So it was a weird confluence of events that, in my mind, leads to Jeffrey Epstein being locked up.

Okay.

So now he's locked up, and you guys really went in and you talked to everybody.

Did you, do you have an opinion?

I know you're both journalists, so you probably won't give it, but do you have an opinion on whether or not this was a suicide or assisted suicide?

Well, we think based on who we talked to and the investigation, it's really hard to dismiss foul play.

And we think that there are legitimate questions about the story that we've been told by the government on this one.

So, I mean, we talked to prison

who actually worked in the prison who said this doesn't, you know, doesn't make any sense.

It would be extremely difficult for him to kill himself in that way without any sort of outside help.

So

give me the outline of the case

that he couldn't have done it himself.

Let's start with the cameras.

Cameras went out, anything suspicious there, and the other cameras that were around there show that there was nobody coming in.

Yes.

So the fact that the cameras weren't working, so talking to people who had worked in that facility, MCC, which was the facility where he died,

they said that for such a high profile prisoner, you would have those cameras noticed immediately that they were not working and they would be fixed within five minutes because this was I mean, you know, this was not just some run-of-the-mill prisoner.

It was Jeffrey Epstein he was certainly the most high profile person who was at that institution at the time and he had allegedly already attempted suicide before that

you know just a month before

so they so

yeah they they said that it's it's really hard to believe that the cameras wouldn't wouldn't have been noticed within minutes and fixed and the fact that this is multiple cameras we're talking about here

is definitely a big red red flag

so the the cellmate that he had was transferred out and never replaced how odd was that

and and that also was very strange because

typically what they do at MCC is when they when they transfer one person out of a cell they they move the other person in at the same time it's just easier that way you know you you you say all right you you're out you're in.

You know, you're doing it all at the same time.

Jeffrey Epstein was also

under,

his medical doctors, they had advised that he should have always had a cellmate because of the first alleged suicide attempt, which I just want to add also, Jeffrey Epstein denied that he had tried to commit suicide that first time, and he told his lawyers a different story.

But yeah, he was supposed to be at all times in a cell with a cellmate, and that cellmate was transferred out

the day prior to his death and was not replaced.

Okay, so wait a minute.

Daniel, tell me about the doctors.

He said

the doctors said that he was suicidal and tried to kill himself, but he said to his lawyers that that wasn't true.

Which one do you believe?

And why is there this disparity?

Well, I guess, you know, we should concede that we'll never know.

But I think Jeffrey Epstein,

there's no reason to believe that he was lying to his lawyers

also.

I mean, he led his lawyers to believe that it was some sort of joke gone awry.

Maybe he was lying.

If you want to believe it,

maybe he was lying so that he could commit suicide later

if you want to.

But I don't think the doctors were necessarily lying.

I think

they just weren't on the same page.

I mean, people can have have that disagreement about various facts and these kinds of scenarios.

And I think,

you know, I think another aspect of this, of course, is the physical evidence.

And we talked to Dr.

Michael Baden, the independent pathologist

who oversaw

the

autopsy.

And he said that the physical evidence suggests that it was a homicide, that it's more consistent with a homicide than a suicide.

The way the neck is broken and the various physical evidence is compelling, according to him.

Yeah, and he's also Dr.

Michael Baden, so he's a very well-respected forensic pathologist.

He was hired by Epstein's brother after his death to oversee the autopsy, kind of be an independent monitor for the

government's autopsy.

And Dr.

Baden has been on a panel since the 1970s that looks at every single death in the New York state prison system.

This was a panel that was started by Governor Rockefeller.

And so he has looked at, you know, just every suicide that has taken place in the prison system.

And he said,

not once prior

did he have a case where you saw the same bone breakage.

as he did with Epstein.

He said there was three, there were three separate bones that were broken in his neck.

and he said you just can't recall any suicide

where that happened.

So I think that is pretty compelling.

He found that this was much more consistent with a homicide.

So who could have pulled this off?

I mean, you know, if you're into conspiracy theories on the right, you've met somebody who has said, oh, the Clintons, they kill everybody.

They've killed like 570 people so far.

But, you know, I don't believe that

Hillary was donning a mask at night.

And I'm not sure that they have that kind of control.

Who would have the access and the ability to pull this off besides an intelligence community?

Well, when we talked to Epstein's lawyer, David Schoen, who is a longtime defense attorney, has worked with, you know, worked for years on cases like this and had his clients die in prison.

You know, he said that he thinks somebody killed Epstein.

He doesn't think that it was the Clintons.

He said, I don't think the Clintons did it.

I just think it was a regular.

Somebody killed him.

So

his idea is that this may have been another inmate.

You know, Dr.

Michael Bodding kind of walked us through that scenario as well in the book.

In addition to people who had worked at MCC, who he spoke to, who said the way it could have happened is if one of the other cells in Epstein's, you know, his area was left open

or just left unlocked, and Epstein's cell was left unlocked.

And the guards just turned a blind eye to this.

I think it's interesting to note, too, that after Epstein was found dead,

around 6.30 a.m.

on that morning, the other prisoners were all pulled out of their cells and transferred to a different location in the prison.

So

we don't know, were these people ever interviewed?

Like, were they, you know, what did they witness?

I just think it's interesting that they were immediately transferred.

Well, I mean, if I were going to, if I had the power,

the way I would do it is I would go to a prisoner there and say, hey, listen, you know, it'd be a shame if this ever happened and you found your cell unlocked and his cell was unlocked.

And who knows what could happen?

Maybe I could help you out down the road.

I mean, you know, that's

are you suggesting that this was just somebody in the block that was like, I want to kill somebody.

Oh, his door is unlocked, or do you believe that there was some sort of a

prompting from somebody?

It could have been either.

Go ahead, Dan.

Either.

No, no, you go.

You go.

Okay.

I mean, I think, you know, I don't know if you see the godfather, but yeah, I think you can always kind of get to somebody in prison if you want to get to them.

So,

yeah, I think that

case.

So

Ghulane is a sex offender, so he's really got a target on his back.

prisoner.

Okay, so Kalene is supposed to appear in court today.

Do you believe Barr when he says she is going to be the most guarded person in prison history, that nothing's going to happen to her?

And will she speak out to save herself?

Well, you have to be a little skeptical of Bill Barr, considering that after Jeffrey Epstein had died, he announced a big investigation that we'd get to the bottom of this.

And ever since then, it's been total silence.

He, of course, it's not as though Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a high-profile inmate, because, of course, he was.

And, of course,

you know, he was supposed to be taking precautions then.

So, I think you do have to be skeptical.

As far as Maxwell, from her point of view, look, she's facing 35 years in prison.

She's nearly 60 years old.

It would be effectively a life sentence.

And assuming she gets to trial and assuming or assuming she's alive, you would think that she would be willing to play ball with prosecutors and try to work some sort of deal so that she wouldn't be facing life in prison.

Now, I don't know how much she's willing to give, but I'd imagine, you know, prison is not something that she's going to like.

It's not in her DNA.

Not that it's in anybody else's, but

I think it's very possible that she talks if given the chance.

Is this a story that either of you have confidence we are going to know in our lifetime what happened?

You mean what happened with Epstein's death or what happened?

Yeah, and what

yeah,

with the entire operation, whether he was, you know,

working for the government in some capacity or if he was, you know, killed in prison, are we going to know

what happened?

You know,

I'm hopeful, but

I'm mixed.

So I don't know if you saw it, but on Twitter a couple of days ago, the former CEO of Reddit

said something like, well, we saw Ghelaine Maxwell at these parties, you know, 15 years ago, and we all knew that she was procuring young women.

And

she, of course, came under attack.

And people are saying, well, if you knew about it, why didn't you do anything?

And, you know, which is, of course, a reasonable thing to ask somebody who says that.

But her reaction, of course, was to go silent and to

hide her Twitter account and things like that.

So I think there's no incentive if you're involved or you had any knowledge to speak out about this.

It just

damning toward you.

So

I think that's a strike against us ever finding the truth is that people don't have incentives.

If you call up the rich and famous who were close to him, you know, like how come Bill Clinton has never given an interview about Jeffrey Epstein?

They just sort of release a statement that washes their hands and then they step back.

They're not pressed to give answers about what they knew, when they knew, and what they did about it.

Alana Goodman and Daniel Halper, they are co-authors of the book A Convenient Death.

This is a fascinating story, and we're just at the beginning of it.

Thank you guys so much for being on and sharing your information.

I appreciate it.

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This time with the same exact people that caused misery and death in the 1970s.

Why should you know about the date, January 24th, 1975?

And what happened in 1975?

How could that possibly affect you?

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That is so true.

We called Joe, wanted to get him on to tell the story.

He's with us now.

You can follow him on Twitter at Joseph F.

Connor and WeWinAmerica.com.

Joe,

welcome to the program.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

Tell me what happened on January 24th, 1975.

My mom was going to have our party.

I was turning nine.

My brother, actually, I turned nine on January 20th.

My brother had turned 11 on the 13th.

We were going to be having a birthday party for us that evening.

It was a Friday.

My father was at work.

He worked for the Morgan Bank.

He had lunch at Francis Tavern, which is where George Washington bade farewell to his officers after the Revolutionary War, where Alexander Hamilton and the Sons of Liberty met and where a bunch of

New York Wall Street guys met and had lunch.

A bomber walked a package in, set it behind the table where my father and his clients had just moved.

They didn't like their original table, and they moved tables to be in a bit of a better spot.

Within a few minutes, the package was pushed to the side and it detonated.

It

injured 60 people and killed four, including my dad.

He was 33 years old, Frank Connor.

He was an American success story.

Mother was an Irish immigrant who worked in the bank and got him the job after high school.

And his father was an elevator operator from England.

And

they

the FALN, this is a Puerto Rican terrorist group, left a message saying that this was

to hit reactionary corporate executives, which is a very Marxist phrase.

And they appointed themselves as judge, jury, and executioner, really profiling the type person they wanted to murder in a place where liberty was born in this country.

So, Joe.

Okay, hang on just a second.

They did not target your dad specifically.

They were just after big fat capitalists, right?

That was their...

Yeah, that's what they wrote, you know, reactionary corporate executives.

So, you know, the term reactionary raises flags immediately because you know that that means that's a Marxist-type term.

And, you know, my dad was anything but.

He was 33 years old.

He was a working-class guy from Manhattan, not far from where some of these guys

lived.

He went to CCNY after

CCNY, which is City College of New York, after high school.

And years later, the CCNY erected a student center called the Morales Shakur Center.

William Morales was the bomber who built the bomb that murdered my father and who's now in Cuba.

And Asanta Shakur is Joanne Chesimart, who murdered Werner Forrester on the Jersey Turnpike.

So we got them to shut that place down.

But this is the kind of stuff that has gone on since his murder,

let alone the clemencies from the Clintons and Obama.

So I want to talk to you about that.

So

what happened after the bomb went off and

the police started to investigate who was responsible for it and what happened to those people?

Well, the FALN claimed responsibility in a communique that was left right around the block.

I actually have a picture of Oscar Lopez, who was given clemency twice and finally left prison when Obama released him in 2017.

And I have a picture of Community.

Okay, don't get ahead of yourself.

Hang on, Joe.

Don't get ahead of yourself.

Most people don't even know what FALN is.

Tell me what the FLAN is.

Okay.

The FALN was the Armed Forces for National Liberation, the acronym in Spanish for this Puerto Rican Marxist group who was claiming that they wanted independence of Puerto Rican people and independence for the United States.

Obviously, the

in in para in plebiscites in the on the island, only five or six percent ever vote for independence.

So they had no they had no standing.

They were a Cuban-based, Cuban financed, trained terrorist group.

They were arrested in Chicago in the early 80s.

They were sentenced to appropriately long prison terms of between 55 and 70 years.

At sentencing, they threatened to kill the judge.

Judge McMillan actually carried two six-shooters under his robe because these guys are tie-bombers.

I'm not kidding.

And he had.

I love that.

It's great.

One of them said, if we were,

you know, we're George Washington to and

to that he replied, well, yes, of course, and if the British had caught George Washington, they'd have hanged him.

And that's what the judge wanted to do.

But

they were never specifically charged with the Francis bombing, but they were put away for 70 years in Chicago.

And if you remember the world in the early 80s, there was not a lot of money to bring them back to New York to face similar charges.

There was no death penalty for them anyway.

So they were basically sent away for life until 1999 when Hillary Clinton was running for senator from New York.

Bill Clinton and Eric Holder put together a plan and offered them clemency, which they outright refused.

And for 30 days were given the opportunity to talk to each other until

on September 10th, 1999, they accepted the clemency, all except one, and walked out of prison.

Oscar Lopez was the one who

denied it.

Yep.

Go ahead.

Okay, so

didn't Bill Clinton let one of them out on his last day in office?

Not the F.

Well, Obama let Lopez out on his last day in office.

Clinton let the guy who rejected Clint, the early clemency.

Yeah.

But who Clinton did release Susan Rosenberg on his last day in office.

And she is now a final person.

year.

Yeah, sorry.

She's an LGBTQIA.

That's all right.

How is

the matter?

So what was her role earlier?

Sure.

Why did she go to jail?

She was a member of a group called the Family.

It gets a little complicated, but

if you throw yourself back 40 years, and there were tons of these little groups, and they were all connected.

You had the Weather Underground, you had the Family, you had the May 19th Communist Organization, you had the FALN, you had the BLA, you had

all these different groups.

Well,

the family pulled an armored car robbery in Nanuette, New York,

and they killed two cops and security guards, actually three.

Susan Rosenberg drove the getaway car for these terrorists who killed these cops.

She was subsequently caught in Cherry Hill, New Jersey with explosives.

She was sent to prison and

she was released in Bill Clinton's last days in office.

But before she went to prison, well, before the Armored Car robberies, she broke out William Morales and Joanne Chesemart as part of the family.

That was the name of her terrorist group.

She busted them out of prison.

Morales was at the was at Bellevue Hospital Prison in New York.

He was the bomb maker for the the FALN.

He was in the prison in the hospital because he had blown himself up on

July 12th, 1978, would have been my dad's 37th birthday.

And he lost nine of his fingers, part of his face, yet he escaped from prison with the help of

the family.

And then Joanne Chesimart, who murdered Warner Forster, was also broken out of prison by Suzanne Rosenberg and the group, the family.

They both are now in Cuba.

She was not only a member of the family, but she was also a member of the May 19 Communist Organization.

That's right.

And the May 19th communist organization was a radical, anti-family, lesbian

terrorist group, right?

Yeah, and they got their name from, it was Ho Chi Minh's birthday is May 19th, so that's how they got their name.

Yeah, so they were absolutely some of the many of the same things that Black Lives Matter is talking about, which is destruction of the family,

which is the Marxism, the taking down of the U.S., they're the same themes that these terrorist groups back then offered.

And

my point in the article was that these connections had never gone away.

I mean, when I went to that CCNY

student center that I talked about, and there's a picture on my website, there's that same fist painted on the walls

with a red background.

It's the same logo that the Black Lives Matter people use.

So, you know, the point is, Black Lives Matter is true.

As a phrase, of course, Black Lives Matter.

But as an organization, it's not what it pretends to be.

Like back then, if you looked at the FALN, it was the Armed Forces or the May 19th Communists, they identified themselves who they were.

Today, they're a little bit more sublime, a little bit smarter, a little bit better marketing, so they come up with a slogan that you can't deny without really revealing who they are or what their intentions are.

But it's the same thing.

So I would say Black Lives Count.

It really just bothered me when I saw today Bill de Blasio is painting Black Lives Matter, which is an organization that raises money for the Democrat Party and to take down America.

And he's using

public street, public time.

He's the mayor, and

he's advocating for an individual organization that raises money.

Certainly, that's a problem.

And you talk about impeachable offenses.

I mean, my God.

So

we really have to wake up and understand who we're dealing with.

These euphemisms are, you know, they've kind of taken over, and people don't see past it.

All right, so Joe, when we come back, I want to ask you what the motivation was to let these people out of prison and to pardon them.

They were clearly guilty.

As you said, one of them wouldn't accept it because I'm not taking anything from this corrupt country.

At least that guy had integrity for a little while.

But other than sowing the Marxist seeds, what was the possible motivation for taking these people and letting them out of prison?

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Joe Connor is joining us.

His father was killed

in a terrorist explosion in the 1970s.

And I started this with:

why does something that happened in 1975 matter to you today?

How is it affecting you today?

We're going to fully explain that here in just a second.

But I want to know what your thought is, Joe, on why Clinton

let this radical

terrorist who had broken people out of prison, who was involved in a radical Marxist, I guess, feminist, lesbian group

that

was involved in bombings and everything else.

Why Clinton would let her out and why

Obama and Clinton would try to let all of the other people out of prison?

Well, I think the FALN releases

are much more political and explainable.

The Susan Rosenberg clemency at the end of his term, it really comes down to, and I've thought about this a lot, sometimes we do apply politics to things that don't, where politics maybe not count.

I think on some level, he just agreed with them.

And he had nothing to lose, and

he let her out.

Now, when it came to the FALN, Hillary Clinton was in 1999, if you recall, was going to be running for senator from New York, and she was going to be opposing Mayor Giuliani.

And she was trying to get herself some connection to the New York community.

And

what they came up with was releasing and

releasing these FALN terrorists, claiming that they were nonviolent.

They were the nonviolent terrorists.

That's really important to them, right?

So these guys were swell.

So they came up with this whole thing to release them.

and it was Ruff,

was it Charlie Ruff

in the Clinton administration and Eric Holder were charged with well, Ruff came up with the idea, Holder was charged with it.

Holder went to the pardon attorney at the time, Margaret Love, who wouldn't recommend it.

And so he fired her.

He brought in another pardon attorney who wouldn't recommend it either, but gave a sort of a memo that said you could do this, that, or other thing.

They called it an options memo.

Clinton took that.

Now,

he has complete power of clemency.

That's one thing, that's an absolute power of the president.

So, Clinton, in August 1999, offered clemency to these terrorists when Hillary was running, and it was a payback.

It was to get the New York Hispanic community to back Hillary.

And he did this later again, just as an aside with these swindlers, the Hasid swindlers up

in New Square, New York,

same kind of thing where it was a block vote in exchange for clemencies, and James Comey exonerated the Clintons on it.

But that's another story.

But in any event, so it was purely political.

It continues today as Governor Cuomo and de Blasio bestowed the, what is it,

Puerto Rican Day Parade Freedom Hero Award

to this guy who

was a good person.

Lopez refused the clemency in 99.

He stayed in prison.

I went to his parole hearing in Terror Hood, Indiana, in 2010, 2011.

We kept him in.

He was a bad guy, and we faced him and, you know, got that.

There was no doubt about it.

So he ends up staying in until Obama releases him.

And then they try to give him a hero award.

He was a terrorist.

He He was a murderer.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

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It is Friday.

Joe Connor is with us.

He's the author of Shattered Lives.

And I read an article from him.

BLM's intentions sound all too familiar on townhall.com.

And he's a fascinating guy.

He has testified before the Senate Subcommittee on Foreign Relations regarding President Clinton's clemency in 99 to grant 16 terrorists whose FALN murdered his father, Frank Connor.

He was

testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2009 during Eric Holder's confirmation hearing and introduced the Pardon Attorney Reform and Integrity Act to Congress in 2000.

He has seen it all.

I can't imagine what his life would have been like,

but probably not involved in terrorism if his father hadn't been murdered by these people that the Democrats, Clinton and Obama, seem to love and pardon.

And, Joe, we were just talking on the air.

It's unbelievable.

If the Republicans would ever let a grand dragon or wizard or whatever they're called from the Klan, if they ever pardoned one, it would be front page news and it would be everyone, including me, would say how despicable it is that they were just either they believed it or they were pandering to a bunch of white supremacists.

Yet the Democrats do this with Marxist terrorists, the underground, the Weather Underground, FALN,

now May 19th, they let these people out all the time and no one says anything about it.

You know,

Glenn, you're right.

And back in 99 when they did these releases, there were, that's why it's been, that's why I testified in front of the Senate.

back then because the people were horrified and the vote was overwhelming to uh censure or not censure but but condemn Clinton for it and even the Democrats joined in with the exception of people like Nabler um who were defending it but they didn't get to the point as they did with Trump where I mean you talk about an impeachable offense I mean this is what m makes my head explode when and I shouldn't use that expression right but but um

it it it it's a um it makes you crazy when you see what what Trump was was put against and there was no talk in 99 99 about

about Clinton getting impeached but clearly what he did was an abuse of power.

I mean Alexander Hamilton wrote in Federalist 74

that no president would use the power of clemency or the pardon lest he be thought in a bad way, lest he be thought conniving.

And as my brother pointed out back then, he's like, well, he Hamilton never envisioned Clinton, and clearly he never envisioned Obama and Biden.

You know, because

this connects, like we were talking about how this connects, and the connection is the people.

You know, you have the Susan Rosenberg, yes.

And you have

Oscar Lopez, who was given clemency by the Clintons and by

Obama.

But you have these, you have

this whole

amalgam of people who believe in this stuff.

And you have Joe Biden now, who

has a chance incredibly to be President.

What's he going to do?

You know, it we we have terrorists we have seventy fugitive terrorists in Cuba, including William Morales and Joanne Chesemart and Victor Gorena.

And I've been working my life to get them back.

I promised my mom, who's 82, that I would do the best I can to get them returned.

And that's what the book Shattered Lives is about.

We have a movie coming out about it.

It's a documentary.

And so

what we have to do, I think, as a people is really stand up now.

I mean, you wrote a book a while ago, and I think 2011 about being George Washington.

And I think that's what we tried to be.

And in 2012, actually, Mike Duncan, who went to Villanova with me, and I wrote a book called The New Founders, and we brought Washington back to life in America today.

And

we ran him for president, and we made it kind of fun, but we used the Constitution to demonstrate the way the founders would live today rather than lecture on it.

And

it was a good book.

It was good.

But the idea was that we all now have to be able to stand up.

If we don't stand up now as individuals for what's going on,

there'll be no tomorrow.

So, you know, and I don't mean to say that.

These people are so dangerous.

I want to bring you back here to Susan Rosenberg.

Susan Rosenberg

is a violent terrorist breaking people out of prison.

She is an avowed Marxist.

She is a

anti-family.

I mean, this is what her group May 19th was about.

It's the world's first all-women lesbian terrorist organization.

Sounds charming.

She

does.

And now she has been cleansed by the left.

She has offices in Berkeley after she was pardoned.

And now she is on the steering committee of Black Lives Matter Global.

And nobody seems to care.

Nobody seems to care.

You're right.

No one cares.

As a matter of fact, in some ways,

I think it helps her.

I think the loon left is that's great.

You know, I don't,

instead of it being a negative to her, in some ways I think it's a positive.

But the point is, we need to understand who these people are.

We can't just sit back anymore and not understand it.

And the fact is, look, I went to Guantanamo Bay in 2016.

I'm also a 9-11 family member.

My cousin Steve Schlag was murdered at the World Trade Center.

He was my dad's godson.

And I was there in the Trade Center that morning.

I was in my office when the planes hit.

I eat it through there, saw the planes hit.

And I was in the courtroom with Khalid Sheikh Mohamed and the

other four high-value detainees.

And I talked to the prosecution about it, because at the time, remember,

Obama and Biden were closing Gitmo.

I mean, that was their plan.

And I talked to the

prosecutors, who are just tremendous people, about, you know, what happens to these people?

Would they ever be brought back to the U.S.

and then given clemency?

Because the fact is that Khalichek Mohammed did not fly any of those planes that hit it to the World Trade Center.

If he did, he'd be dead.

So I could envision a point where we would be in a situation like Susan Rosenberg or the FALN, where you would have an administration who would say, you know, he served enough time.

He wasn't convicted or whatever.

I don't know where that trial is going at this point,

but he's clearly guilty.

But you could see an administration coming in and

rationalizing that this guy was - you know, he didn't do anything.

None of these guys did.

And the fact is, if you're a terrorist and you're a member of a conspiracy, you're responsible for all acts of that conspiracy.

And that's the law.

But what we're finding is that the law is being manipulated and used.

It's being ignored, and

that leads to tyranny

when you shoot.

Yeah, sorry.

That's all right, Joe.

I'm sorry to interrupt.

Here's what I find amazing.

I used to think

that a lot of this stuff is just political, but there comes a time where you see what's happening in our streets.

You see that these are Marxist revolutionaries that want to destroy the nuclear family and the Western way of life.

They want to destroy capitalism.

They want to destroy the U.S.

Constitution and completely reset

everything.

You cannot convince me now that you are, if you're still supporting these people, that you are not part of it.

If you excused them years ago and you thought, well, you know, they really didn't do anything, but they are now coming back into the fold and they are trying to destroy our country.

If you don't stand up now,

you are part of that conspiracy.

Well, you think about Edmund Burke, right?

He said, you know,

all that needs to happen for evil to succeed is for good men to remain silent.

And we've been silenced in a lot of ways.

I mean, no one wants to be called a racist.

I mean,

there was a time when, you know, you didn't call someone a racist.

Like, it was the worst thing you could call someone.

Now they just fling it out there like no one's business.

And, you know, maybe it'll get so deluded that no one cares anymore.

But, you know, I don't want to be called racist because I'm not.

But besides that, you need to, you know, people need to just do what they can.

Like, look, one of the things I like to tell people is just be prepared.

Be prepared in every way, mentally, physically.

If something was to happen, think about what you're going to do.

And, you know, when my father, when the clemency happened, I was the same age as my dad was when he was murdered.

I was 33.

And I was somewhat prepared to fight back.

So keep involved, keep thoughtful, read,

and be able to articulate what you feel because

and what's right.

And that that's the other thing.

It's all about what's right and what's wrong.

And what the left has done in this country is and my son, Frank, my son is named after my father.

He's twenty-three.

He's recently graduated from Villanova, but he wrote a book about about a being a a it's a satire about a um conservative on a on a uh college campus.

It's called the Progressive Reports.

And he he brings up a a lot of those points that we've gotten to a point where it's how you feel which is what the left is running with rather than right or wrong.

When

there's no real point of

what is right and what is wrong and anything just you feel is okay to do,

you've lost it.

And that goes for the law and everything.

We're kind of

drifting at a very.

Actually, we're not drifting.

We're

past drifting.

No, we're yeah, no, we are running running towards it now.

Yeah, we are.

Let me just ask you, I just want to ask you one more question and then we've got to run.

But

who do you think you would have been had your dad not died?

God, you know, I think about that.

You know,

I think I wouldn't have been

as g I don't know if good's the right word, but I wouldn't have been as prepared as I am now.

Like, I've I've viewed my life in in two segments.

One is before I was nine years old and after I was nine nine years old.

And I think my father's murder has awokened a part of me and made me really concentrate on things and family.

I'm a father.

I have two kids, a wife, you know, and I think

I'm better for that.

And,

you know, I feel like my father's with me a lot.

You know, on 9-11, when I got out of the city, he was with me.

You know,

I think what they say with Jonathan,

kill you makes you stronger.

I I think it's made me a better person.

And but my God, Glenn, like, what I wouldn't give just to be able to sit down and have a beer with him or or introduce him to my to his uh to my wife or to his grandkids.

You know what I mean?

Like, we missed out out on all that.

And and that's something that the people who've advocated for these terrorists, they don't care.

And they don't care about the police officers who are being murdered in the streets and their families.

They just don't care.

I mean, I get attacked.

I get attacked saying that I'm making money off my father's murder.

Like, Ralph Cramden made more money than I've made off my, you know, so like

it's insane.

But these are the attacks.

And there's really they don't really care about the individual.

They never do.

It's about the group and how

the politics can help their their group move along.

And, you know, as I said to Brian Burrows in Brian Burroughs' book Days of Rage, you know, my father was murdered by terrorists, but he was the it was the wrong brand of terrorists.

And he was the wrong brand of person to get any

empathy.

He was a white male.

And,

you know,

it really hurts.

And it still does.

I'm sure he could hear my voice.

I'm 54 years old.

But

you don't get over these things.

And

you live with them, and you do your best.

And that's why I wrote with Jeff Ingber,

Shattered Lives.

I actually started it on September 10th,

2001, on the train.

And I try to miss my cousin Steve because he would have been on the train.

He always had beers.

And I was like,

I can't have beers.

I want to start writing this book.

It was exactly two years after

the clemencies where the terrorists walked out of jail.

And I missed Steve that night.

And the next day, he was murdered at Cantor Fitzgerald as I watched the planes hit.

So, you know,

it has just been some of these stories I can't even believe.

It's been an ill.

You have been prepared for these times, Joe, and I hope we get to know each other even more.

I'm just impressed with your story and who you've become.

Thank you so much, Joe.

Thank you.

Thank you, Glenn, and thank you for all you've done.

Look, we're all George Washington, and I'm glad you wrote that and all the things you've done to help people.

We all just got to do it.

Yeah.

If I can.

Joe Connor.

Anyone can.

WewinAmerica.com is where you can find him and follow him.

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