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Plus, we delve into some of the other things that are going on.

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Jeffrey Epstein.

We have two journalists who are actually doing journalism and looking into what happened to Jeffrey Epstein, what's about to happen with the woman who was at his side the whole time.

Is she even safe?

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This is the problem with erasing history history or not knowing it.

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Well, wait until you hear this story because it affects your life big time.

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Pat,

you are a guy who really, I mean, you understand the English language like very few people do.

So I was hoping, because I think he's speaking English, I was hoping you could translate and tell me what Joe Biden was talking about or what he's trying to say here

live on ABC.

Here he is.

Listen.

He knows I believe this every fiber of my being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

What I proposed is

it can be done.

I think we're in a position

to really make it happen.

And my team and your team are already working closely together

to light up the path forward here.

I don't have a team.

Critical laws like the PRO Act to strengthen collective bargaining.

The PRO Act.

On politics, like prevailing and

look.

Look.

I guess

I'm taking too much time.

He's too deep now.

He's too dealing with that.

It's his defense.

Look, he's a good idea.

So what I don't know.

what he

doesn't know.

What was he saying here,

Pat?

Because, you know, we missed the very first word.

Could you play that again?

We missed the very first word, too, because it was an interesting word choice.

Lonnie knows I believe this every fiber of my being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

Okay.

Lonnie knows.

Lonnie knows that

of his being.

We're posed.

Of his being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

Okay.

So

I think the man is ready to lead.

I think he's ready to lead.

Yes.

He's ready to lead us right to a nursing home.

Yeah, that's where he's leading.

Can I tell you something?

Wow.

Can I tell you something?

And it would be the fitting ending for 2020, wouldn't it?

Yes.

Yeah, it really would.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean,

if this guy is elected,

you're actually voting for his vice presidential choice for the top of the ticket.

You just have to understand that.

If you're going to vote for Joe Biden, you know, not long into his first term, the vice president will be the president of the United States.

Well, Lonnie knows.

I really believe that.

Lonnie knows.

William.

Lonnie knows.

We're posed.

We're posed.

We're opposed.

And his team and my team, we're working together.

Well, but look, I didn't know that.

Look.

I've said too much.

Et cetera.

I love that.

One thing I really love about that defense mechanism is like whenever he screws something up badly enough, he just says he's been talking too long.

It's like most people are able to just continue to talk and get through all the sentences with the words in the right order.

You've literally been talking for about 10 seconds.

You really haven't said that much.

You haven't.

Okay.

No, can we play it one more time?

Because I think it's so deep what he said here.

Lonnie knows I believe this every fiber of my being.

We're posed.

We're posed.

What I propose is

to be done.

I think we're in a position

to really make it happen.

happen.

And my team and your team are already working closely together

to light up the path forward here.

Maybe.

Critical laws like PRO Act to strengthen collective bargaining.

Politics, like prevailing and look.

Prevailing and look.

Yes,

I'm taking too much time.

Look, I'm just getting senile.

Look, I'm just getting senile here.

And I think we all know that, so I should just stop talking.

There is an interesting thing that goes on with Biden where he's not completely gone gone because he's still able to catch that he sounds like an idiot in the middle of it.

Yeah.

Like he's still catching these things.

He's like, oppose, you know, crap, what I propose.

And then he corrects himself.

He's still at the level where he can recognize his moments of senility.

That's not going to last forever.

But what he proposed was,

we can do this.

What you're proposing.

Wait, you're proposing?

No, what he proposed was, look,

look, we can do this.

Right, right.

Look.

And we can do this.

He gets so far down the road and realizes there's no, it's a dead end, right?

There's no, there's nowhere else to go.

So then that's when he says, Look, I'm just, I've been driving too long.

You know, we're just going to pull the car over on the side of the road right here and pull the sack and call it a day.

All right, honestly, would you, if this was your grandpa and he said, hey, kids, everybody pile into the car.

I'm going to, I'm going to take us for a drive.

Would anyone in your family maybe say, hey, grandpa, how about if I drive?

Yeah.

Or is he still driving in your family?

Nope.

No, absolutely.

No, he's not driving.

No, no,

no.

This is crazy.

Crazy.

All right.

Let me let me change subjects.

The Supreme Court has ruled that half of Oklahoma belongs

to the Indian tribe.

And so, I mean, it's like half of Tulsa.

Yeah.

And

really what they did, Gorsuch was right in what he ruled.

Congress

never said the treaty is up.

They never said that.

So if they think the treaty is up, then they're going to have to act.

Unlike what John Roberts did with Obamacare,

he didn't change the law because he knows the Supreme Court justice can't change the law.

So actually, the one I think is wrong on this one is John Roberts because he's again

saying,

oh, yeah, but this is what they really meant.

No,

no,

they have to do it if that's what they mean.

Well, I mean, you know, that's not just Roberts, though.

That was Clarence Thomas and Alito.

Oh, I know.

I mean, so, and their argument was more about how it was handled in the process and who should be responsible for it.

But it does seem like

as is typical, the reason this issue exists is because Congress just wasn't clear and did their job.

Plus, the issue really for me is that they took the whole Cherokee nation and they put us on that reservation.

You know, they took away our way of life, the tomahawk, the bow and knife.

But your way of life?

Are you?

Yeah.

They took away our native tongue.

And taught their English to our young.

You're young.

Yeah, yeah.

All the beads we need.

You know what's really good?

All the beads we made by hand.

You know where they're made nowadays?

In Japan?

Or maybe even more nowadays?

China?

Indonesia?

Still, yeah.

So Vietnam.

Okay, maybe.

Okay.

Korea.

Okay, okay.

You know what's interesting about the Cherokee Nation is, you know, on the Trail of Tears, which

I think Andrew Jackson was a monster.

He was a monster.

He was corrupt.

He was a Democrat, by the way.

He was corrupt.

He did not care.

He was a racist.

He put them on the Trail of Tears and did take away their land and broke all the treaties and everything else.

And he did it for greed, personal gain.

Now, with that being said, I just would like to point out that

the Cherokee Nation on the Trail of Tears,

they did travel

with their African-American slaves.

So

let's just...

keep that into perspective that

per capita, the Cherokee Nation owned more slaves than white people did.

And

slavery wasn't a white thing because they were enslaving

other tribes before we ever got here.

And

they didn't release their slaves until two years after America released hers.

But let's not talk about that.

That's inconvenient.

You don't want to hear about that, that dumb really fits.

Don't talk about it, yeah.

Yeah, I don't even know what you're saying.

In fact, are you speaking English?

I don't think so.

I mean, with someone to make a point that dumb get into the Radio Hall of Fame, no, it can't happen, it can't happen, it cannot happen.

You need, you know, who you need, it's not going to.

You need wait, wait, from NPR, because what, wait, what, wait, wait, don't tell me from NPR.

Oh, they don't even name the people that are going in.

It's just show.

Wait, wait, don't tell me.

It's just show.

It's just a show.

So you're putting a show in the Radio Hall of Fame.

All right.

Well, whatever.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

John and Ken deserve to go instead of you.

But

if you get turned out, I don't mind.

If you get turned down for the second straight year, I'm going to be pissed.

I was pissed last year.

Are you?

Yes, I'll be doubly.

And so I know that means a lot to the Radio Hall of Fame people.

So just know you're going to get the wrath of Pat.

The guy who didn't get foreigner into the rock and roll Hall of Fame will be coming after you.

Still working on it, though.

We're still in their picture.

Did you see in the long-standing

local show category, Mark and Brian are actually up this year too, which would be kind of cool to see that.

Those guys are good too.

Yeah, really good.

Those guys are great.

Bob Rivers.

I mean, there's some really big names in there that could go.

And I don't know if they only, can only one get in in each category?

Is that how it works?

Yes.

That's how it works.

It's kind of like, you know, for your consideration, it's the Oscar thing, you know.

All right.

And it's an honor just to be nominated twice.

Hey, if you lose this, you're not going to be saying that after this year, are you?

It's an honor just to be nominated.

That won't be a thing after this year.

I mean, look, I think.

No, I haven't said that sincerely last year or this year.

No, it's about winning.

Look, I definitely think,

you know, look, Glenn has had quite a career, even though obviously Pat and I have been really responsible for all the good things.

But I mean, when you come down to it, does Glenn deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

Sure.

But would I rather have him have to suffer it out until year five?

Yes.

On the last vote.

You know,

I saw that I was nominated yesterday and I looked it up because I thought, I'm Susan Lucci.

I will be nominated 18 times and I will never get into the Hall of Fame.

And no, they have a special rule.

You can only be nominated five times.

And then after that, they're like, look, this loser's not getting in.

So stop it.

Okay, just stop it.

But the audience can vote starting Monday.

Is that right?

I believe so.

Yeah, I believe it is Monday.

Yeah.

So, you know, are they going to vote for Stephanie Miller just to spite you?

Or wait, wait, don't tell me from NPR?

Probably.

If I lose to the NPR people, I think this audience, you know, this audience, Paul.

I hear this.

Just to be funny.

Just to be funny.

Just to be funny.

Yep.

I could see that happening.

So if I lose to NPR, it will be just for the laughs.

I know.

I know this audience.

And I thank you for that.

I really do.

And I'll be laughing.

Oh, it'll be funny.

The NPR

don't, don't, or wait, wait, or stop, stop, or whatever that show is.

Man, that's going to be good.

It's going to be good.

All right.

Thank you, Pat.

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And I think this is reasonable.

He was charismatic.

He had a lot of money.

He had powerful friends.

And so you could think that he was going to get away with it.

But I don't understand why these very famous, influential people,

if they knew

why they would hang out with him or participate at all, just the chances of being blackmailed would be off the charts.

Well, certainly some felt that way, and some didn't.

But I think

the shocking realization is that so many people didn't feel that way.

And very prominent people, academics, financiers, media.

And I think that's the surprising thing.

Yeah, I think that's

a character as well.

The character of the people that were

riding on the plane?

Exactly.

Yeah, to do that, to continue to associate with him, especially after

his first arrest in 2012.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, Elena,

I had a very important

person in the art world in New York City tell me that,

you know, when you look into some of the into the art world in New York, it is human trafficking.

I mean, made some incredible claims.

And as I was looking into this and I saw how he was so influential

and the people at the

big art school that he would support,

the person that was in charge of that, that was

saying, no, no, no, you could get more money over here, but you are going to sell your work to this person and he's going to help.

Do you think they had any idea what was going on, or did they just see this as money?

Well,

you know, I don't know in that specific instance, but

I will say that's horrifying because especially as a young arts student, you know, you're trying, it's extremely hard to make it in that industry professionally.

And you have somebody who has this power over your career putting that immense pressure on you.

So, yeah,

it's an awful situation.

And that was kind of what Epstein was able to do.

He was able to see these people, individuals who had levers of power, and he was able to use that.

He was extremely manipulative and good at conning people.

So, Daniel, you said earlier that now the federal government believes that

Maxwell was his partner in crime.

That was not believed for a while.

And how much danger is she in now in prison?

Well, the only reason I say it wasn't believed until now is because she's been running free.

And, you know, I think a lot of people imagine that had she feared that the American government was coming after her, she would have left America.

She has two other passports in addition to an American passport.

She had, you know, the Fed's estimate $20 million.

She has the means and the access to go elsewhere, and she didn't.

So I think that's the strongest sign we have that she didn't fear the government.

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So

we have Epstein in prison now

and he's finally been nailed.

Is there anything that shows why

happened this time, why the government seemed to take it seriously and he couldn't get away with it anymore?

Well, I think the biggest thing was Donald Trump got elected.

And I know it seems totally disconnected, but as you'll recall, his labor secretary was Alex Acosta.

And Alex Acosta was the prosecutor in Florida who

came under criticism for going soft on Jeffrey Epstein the first time.

So in a weird way, I think at least that the connection between Donald Trump getting elected, I mean, in a weird way, I think like if Hillary Clinton gets elected, sort of the Jeffrey Epstein story goes away.

And in a weird way, it was the media trying to go after Donald Trump that,

you know, then went after Alex Acosta and therefore reignited this firestorm around Epstein.

So it was a weird confluence of events that, in my mind, leads to Jeffrey Epstein being locked up.

Okay.

So now he's locked up, and you guys really went in and you talked to everybody.

Do you have an opinion?

I know you're both journalists, so you probably won't give it, but do you have an opinion on whether or not this was a suicide or assisted suicide?

Well, we think based on who we talked to and the investigation, it's really hard to dismiss foul play.

And we think that there are legitimate questions about the story that we've been told by the government on this one.

So, I mean, we talked to prison

who actually worked in the prison who said this doesn't, you know, doesn't make any sense.

It would be extremely difficult for him to kill himself in that way without any sort of outside help.

So

give me the outline of the case that he couldn't have done it himself.

Let's start with the cameras.

Cameras went out, anything suspicious there, and the other cameras that were around there show that there was nobody coming in.

Yes.

So the fact that the cameras weren't working, so talking to people who had worked in that facility, MCC, which was the facility where he died,

they said that for such a high-profile prisoner, you would have those cameras noticed immediately that they were not working and they would be fixed within five minutes because this was, I mean, you know, this was not just some run-of-the-mill prisoner.

It was Jeffrey Epstein.

He was certainly the most high-profile person who was at that institution at the time.

And he had allegedly already attempted suicide before that,

you know, just a month before.

So

So, yeah, they said that it's really hard to believe that the cameras wouldn't have been noticed within minutes and fixed.

And the fact that this is multiple cameras we're talking about here is definitely a big red flag.

So the cellmate that he had was transferred out and never replaced.

How odd was that?

And that also was very strange because

Typically what they do at MCC is when they transfer one person out of a cell, they move the other person in at the same time.

It's just easier that way.

You know,

you say, all right, you're out, you're in.

You know, you're doing it all at the same time.

Jeffrey Epstein was also

under,

his medical doctors, they had advised that he should have always had a cellmate because of the first alleged suicide attempt, which I just want to add also, Jeffrey Epstein denied that he had tried to commit suicide that first time, and he told his lawyers a different story.

But yeah, he was supposed to be at all times in a cell with a cellmate, and that cellmate was transferred out

the day prior to his death and was not replaced.

Okay, so wait a minute.

Daniel, tell me about the doctors.

He said the doctors said that he was suicidal and tried to kill himself, but he said to his lawyers that that wasn't true.

Which one do you believe, and

why is there this disparity?

Well, I guess we should concede that we'll never know, but I think Jeffrey Epstein,

there's no reason to believe that he was lying to his lawyers

also.

I mean, he led his lawyers to believe that it was some sort of joke gone awry.

Yeah, maybe he was lying.

You know, if you want to believe it, maybe you want to, maybe he was lying so that he could commit suicide later if you want to.

But I don't think the doctors were necessarily lying.

I think

they just weren't on the same page.

I mean, people can have that disagreement about various facts and these kinds of scenarios.

And I think

I think another aspect of this, of course, is the physical evidence.

And we talked to Dr.

Michael Baden, independent pathologist who

oversaw the the

autopsy.

And he said that the physical evidence suggests that it was a homicide, that it's more consistent with a homicide than a suicide.

The way the neck is broken and the various physical evidence is compelling, according to him.

Yeah, and he's also Dr.

Michael Baden, so he's a very well-respected forensic pathologist.

He was hired by Epstein's brother after his death to oversee the autopsy, kind of be an independent monitor for the

government's autopsy.

And Dr.

Baden has been on a panel since the 1970s that looks at every single death in the New York state prison system.

This was a panel that was started by Governor Rockefeller.

And so he has looked at

just every suicide that has taken place in the prison system.

And he said,

Not once prior

did he have a case where you saw the same bone breakage as he did with Epstein?

He said

there were three separate bones that were broken in his neck, and he said he just can't recall any suicide

where that happened.

So I think that is pretty compelling.

He found that this was much more consistent with a homicide.

So who could have pulled this off?

I mean, you know, if you're into conspiracy theories on the right, you've met somebody who has said, oh, the Clintons, they kill everybody.

They've killed like 570 people so far.

But, you know, I don't believe that

Hillary was donning a mask at night, and I'm not sure that they have that kind of control.

Who would have the access and the ability to pull this off besides an intelligence community?

Well, when we talked to Epstein's lawyer, David Schoen, who is a a longtime defense attorney, has worked with, you know, worked for years on cases like this and had his clients die in prison.

You know, he said that he thinks somebody killed Epstein.

He doesn't think that it was the Clintons.

He said, I don't think the Clintons did it.

I just think it was a regular.

Somebody killed him.

So

his

His idea is that this may have been another inmate.

You know, Dr.

Michael Bodding kind of walked us through that scenario as well in the book.

In addition to people who had worked at MCC, who we spoke to, who said the way it could have happened is if one of the other cells in Epstein's, you know, his area was left open

or just left unlocked, and Epstein's cell was left unlocked.

And the guards just turned a blind eye to this.

I think it's interesting to note, too, that after Epstein was found dead, you know, more around 6.30 a.m.

on that morning, the other prisoners were all pulled out of their cells and transferred to a different location in the prison.

So

we don't know, were these people ever interviewed?

Like, were they, you know, what did they witness?

I just think it's interesting that they were immediately transferred.

Well, I mean, if I were going to, if I had the power,

the way I would do it is I would go to a prisoner there and say, hey, listen, you know, it'd be a shame if this ever happened and you found your cell unlocked and his cell was unlocked.

And who knows what could happen?

Maybe I could help you out down the road.

I mean, you know, that's.

Are you suggesting that this was just somebody in the block that was like, I want to kill somebody?

Oh, his door is unlocked.

Or do you believe that there was some sort of a

a prompting from somebody

um

go ahead dan either no no you go you go

okay i mean i think you know i don't know if you see the godfather but yeah i think you can you can always kind of get to somebody in prison if you want to get to them so uh

yeah i think that okay i think it could have been either one in that case so

so ghelaine is a sex offender, so he's really got a target on his back.

Okay, so Ghulane is supposed to appear in court today.

Do you believe Barr when he says she is going to be the most guarded person in prison history, that nothing's going to happen to her?

And will she speak out to save herself?

Well, you have to be a little skeptical of Bill Barr, considering that after Jeffrey Epstein had died, he announced a big investigation that we'd get to the bottom of this.

And ever since then, it's been total silence.

He, of course, it's not as though Jeffrey Epstein wasn't a high-profile inmate, because of course he was.

And of course,

you know, he was supposed to be taking precautions then.

So I think you do have to be skeptical.

As far as Maxwell, from her point of view, look, she's facing 35 years in prison.

She's nearly 60 years old.

It would be effectively a life sentence.

And assuming she gets to trial and assuming, or assuming she's alive, you would think that she would be willing to play ball with prosecutors and try to work some sort of deal so that she wouldn't be facing life in prison.

Now,

I don't know how much she's willing to give, but I'd imagine, you know, prison is not something that she's going to like.

It's not in her DNA.

Not that it's in anybody else's, but

I think it's very possible that she talks if given the chance.

Is this a story that either of you have confidence we are going to know in our lifetime what happened?

You mean what happened with Epstein's death or what happened?

Yeah, and what

with the entire operation, whether he was, you know,

working for the government in some capacity or if he was, you know, killed in prison, are we going to know what happened?

You know,

I'm hopeful, but

I'm mixed.

So I don't know if you saw it, but on Twitter a couple of days ago, the former CEO of Reddit said something like, well, we saw Ghelaine Maxwell at these parties, you know, 15 years ago, and we all knew that she was procuring young women.

And

she, of course, came under attack, and people are saying, well, if you knew about it, why didn't you do anything?

And, you know, which is, of course, a reasonable thing to ask somebody who says that.

But her reaction, of course, was to go silent and to

hide her Twitter account and things like that.

So I think there's no incentive if you're involved or you had any knowledge to speak out about this.

It just, it just

damning toward you.

So

I think that's a strike against us ever finding the truth is that people don't have incentives.

If you call up the rich and famous who were close to him, you know, like how come Bill Clinton has never given an interview about Jeffrey Epstein?

They just sort of release a statement that washes their hands and then they step back.

They're not pressed to give answers about what they knew, when they knew, and what they did about it.

Alana Goodman and Daniel Halper, they are co-authors of the book A Convenient Death.

This is a fascinating story and we're just at the beginning of it.

Thank you guys so much for being on and sharing your information.

I appreciate it.

Again, the convenient death, the mysterious demise of Jeffrey Epstein, available wherever you buy your books.