The Social Justice Lie | Guests: Dr. Voddie Baucham & Matt Ridley | 6/18/20

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And Aunt Jemima finally is out.

Her racist pancakes.

Those days are behind us.

And I stand with the Aunt Jemima haters.

And Uncle Ben.

Really?

He's not my uncle.

He's a racist stereotype because everybody knows the best rice makers

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we were making progress, and yet today I open up the newspaper, I go online, I search,

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Coffee.

Oh, how do you like your coffee?

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Oh my gosh.

Aunt Jemima is finally out.

Stu, do you feel better?

Do you feel safer when you go into your pantry now?

So much safer.

That woman haunted me for

speaking with your white privilege.

Really?

Confess your sins.

I can't.

You haven't confessed your sins yet.

Apparently not.

I just put it on the pancakes, so I didn't really look at it as a sinful act.

Or, I mean, it was sinfully delicious,

but not more than that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

When I had my pancakes, I said yum, but that's an acronym for,

yeah,

upset,

me.

Oh, really?

So I, yeah, I didn't know that.

Yeah, I do it every time.

Every time I have pancakes, I confess.

Anyway,

Uncle Ben's is

now out.

The Quaker Oats people,

the guy,

the company that has

the Quaker man, a religious symbol, as their company symbol.

Yeah, yeah.

Quaker, as in the Quaker church, as in the Quakers, as in, you know, white people that wanted to stop slavery and fought for abolition, and they were the biggest abolitionist of all time, but they're white,

and they they lived in the colonial

era, and so they were there in America.

Hello, a racist country, systematic racism of the Quaker guy.

He's still on the cover of all of the Quaker oaths stuff.

Anyway,

they came out and said racism has no place in society.

Do you agree with that, Stu?

Well, of course you do.

I don't think so.

Nobody disagrees with that.

Well, okay, maybe the Klan disagrees with that.

Yes, you don't get to.

Unfortunately, you don't get to

declare that.

It's not like Michael Scott walking out of the room and saying, I declare bankruptcy.

It doesn't mean you go bankrupt when that happens.

Whether you think it has a place in society or not, some people are going to do it.

It's very few.

We should work from reality instead of these things.

I think COVID-19 has no place in society.

That That cured!

It's going to be there.

It's going to be there.

There's like Turkmenistan who went on and they actually banned the word coronavirus, and so far they've had zero cases of coronavirus.

What are you doing, rest of the world, you suckers?

Turkmenistan

cured this thing a while ago.

You know, Ahmadinejad, when he came and spoke at Columbia University, was asked about homosexuals and how they stone homosexuals.

And he said, we have no homosexual problem in Iran because we don't have homosexuals there.

There you go.

Problem Problem for Ahmed Dinijad at least.

Solved.

Yeah.

All right.

So anyway, racism has no place in society.

And here's the problem.

We stand in solidarity with the black community.

Not a problem.

That's fine.

Our associates, good.

And our partners, great.

In the fight for social justice.

Social justice

is evil.

It started out great.

It started out really nice in the 1800s.

It's a Catholic kind of idea social justice has been hijacked by the early 20th century and nobody seems to care about that oh no it just means no it doesn't no it doesn't it doesn't just mean helping out that's called helping out

social justice now means Marxism

So anyway, I don't know how I got there.

Oh, yeah, it's all the companies that are all saying that they're all for social justice.

Shut up.

None of you, none of you,

none of you are actually thinking about what any of this means.

All you're doing is just trying to get some good PR.

I mean,

this is what happened with the Nazis.

You know what?

We're absolutely with the National Socialist movement because, you know, we're tired of the bad economy and the lawlessness.

And these guys seem to be very patriotic.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they were patriotic.

Maybe a little bit too patriotic.

You've got to look at who you're standing with.

Oh my gosh.

Anyway, so Uncle Benz is out.

Again, I suggest that everyone in this audience begin to tweet and demand that the Dixie chicks change their name.

What are you standing with, Confederacy?

You standing with those statues?

Ladies, are you collecting those Confederate statues?

You seem so high on Dixie.

Holy cow, what a group of racists you are.

I won't rest until the Dixie chicks have to change their name.

Anyway,

Mrs.

Buttersworth is now undergoing a complete brand and packaging review.

Now, Mrs.

Buttersworth, I didn't even know she was black.

Is she black?

Or are they changing Mrs.

Buttersworth because she's so offensive because she's fat.

What is it you're doing?

You're using a fat person to say yummy syrup is here?

What is that, Mrs.

Buttersworth?

My gosh, are you sleeping with Mr.

Coffee?

Because that bastard's got to be stopped.

Just

historical accuracies.

Mrs.

Butters, not Mrs.

Buttersworth, Mrs.

Butterworth.

Oh, it's Mrs.

Butter Butterworth.

Singular Butter.

Oh, okay, singular butter.

Still fat.

I don't care what you call it.

She's still fat.

What is this?

You saying that all people that make good food are fat?

Is that what you're saying?

And by the way, I still leave my offer open to Mrs.

Butterworth.

And I mean, I'll even wear a wig.

You know what?

I'll undergo the knife.

You want to use my image?

I mean, it's going to cost a lot.

But, I mean, everybody else is selling their soul to the devil, so why not?

I'll give you, I'll set a price.

What's it worth for me to become a woman?

A lesbian, because I'd still be married to my wife.

Would you be?

Let's ask Tanya about that because I'm not sure that one's confirmed.

Yeah, so I have to ask Tanya what the price is.

I have to know it's probably

there, probably somewhere in the divorce papers, what that price is.

But anyway,

I've already offered myself to be the new Colonel Sanders because I look like Colonel Sanders.

But why can't I look like Mrs.

Butterworth?

Why can't I...

I mean, are you saying that a man can't be Mrs.

Butterworth?

One with a beard?

I try my gravy or my syrup or whatever it is.

It's delicious.

And

nobody's looking at black and decker.

Who's Decker and what's he doing with black?

Hello?

Wonder bread?

Isn't that just saying white privilege?

I mean, I'm as white as white bread.

Wonder bread.

Oh, it can do anything because it's white.

Kennon Barbie?

Could he get any whiter or more privileged privileger?

Could it?

I mean, why not why not Brianna and Kente?

Why not?

Where's the beef?

Yeah, where's the beef?

The real beef is we should all we should we should all stand against Wendy's for literally having a white girl in their logo.

And then Mr.

Clean shows up, a bald, blue-eyed, tough guy wearing an all-white t-shirt.

He's got a ring in his

ear, solid white eyebrows.

This guy is this is the symbol of alt-right racism.

I mean, why don't we just call him Mr.

Clan for the love of Pete?

Scotch tape.

Scotch tape.

Oh my gosh.

You supremacists, I mean, I can't believe Scotch tape.

We all know that the Scotch were the ones who really brought the idea of individual freedom.

I mean, it was the Scotch

that brought over

from their Scottish you know, Thistle Land or whatever it is.

They brought all of these ideas over to the white men here, and there's not a black person in Scottishville

Boy, oh boy.

Yeah, no amount of your tape could hold your pack of lies together.

I'm so glad they're coming for you.

Coppertone, copper tone.

Why does it have to be about color?

Or is it about color?

Has it always been about cops?

Copper tone?

Whitecastle, I'm not even going to start with.

M and M's, we see what you're going with there.

Oh, the milk chocolate, the dark part of it, kept in a candy shell of bondage.

Q-tips.

I mean, I just.

So

much.

Cotton, I

gotta cancel.

Q-tips.

Crackerjack?

Ah, you're fine.

Don't worry.

Cracker Jacks, absolutely.

Totally good with that.

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We're going to get to it here in just a second.

You don't want to miss a minute of today's show.

Coming up in about 40 minutes is a guy from Zambia

who a friend sent me a video of him a few years ago, and I tried to get a hold of him.

And I saw this guy.

He is

a black theologian.

He is absolutely brilliant.

And he was making these videos, you know, about social justice and what it's really about and

white guilt and all this stuff.

And I tried to get a hold of him, and he's moved to Zambia, Africa.

He and his family, because he had been chased out of the country with so much hate and vitriol from the left, and they just destroyed this guy, just destroyed him, destroyed

his ministry over here.

I think he was in Florida, and took him apart to where he couldn't make any money, couldn't do anything because of his point of view.

And it's really well thought out and well spoken.

And so I call him over in Africa, I don't know, about a week ago, and I'm like, what are you doing?

And he said, you know, they said that I didn't care about black people, and I'm a black person.

Now they won't, you know, they won't recognize at all that I am serving in Africa.

So he's actually a dean of a school over in Africa, in Zambia, right now.

And I'm trying to convince him to come back to the United States because I think his voice is so incredibly important.

Pray for him and his family.

His family really went through a lot.

But

he's going to be on with us in about 40 minutes, and he's going to talk about

what is it, ethnic

Gnosticism.

Let me see if I got it right.

Maybe it's race Gnosticism.

You know, ethnic Gnosticism.

Gnosticism

comes from the group of Gnostics

in the Middle Ages or,

you know, early on in the church, and they believed some crazy stuff.

They believed that you were born either knowing or not knowing.

And those who were born knowing what's right and what's good, oh, they'd go to heaven.

The rest of us were just doomed.

And you really couldn't challenge them on anything because they knew.

Well, that's kind of what's happening with ethnic Gnosticism, a word that he has, or a phrase that he has coined.

Ethnic Gnosticism, meaning, you know, if you're white, you don't get it.

You never will.

They'll explain it to you, but you still don't understand it

because you're not Gnostic.

You just weren't born black, so you weren't born knowing.

It is incredibly racist and incredibly dangerous.

And he's now the dean of theology of African Christian University, former pastor of Grace Family Baptist Church, and he's going to be with us

giving us a sermon, if you will,

coming up in about 40 minutes.

Also, did you hear about the terrorists that we killed in Syria with the new ninja bomb?

Did you read this Stu?

No

greatest thing ever.

We need more ninja bombs.

I don't know what they do, but we need more of them.

Oh, really?

Do we, Mr.

Racist, taking someone else's culture and appropriating it, a ninja bomb?

So

what the ninja bomb is, is this incredible rocket that, you know, we have,

let's see if I can find out what the name of that rocket is that we use.

The Hellfire rocket.

You've heard of the the Hellfire missiles?

This is an R-9X missile.

It's a

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And the Hellfire missile is the kill radius is about 700 feet.

So it can cause a lot of collateral damage.

But because America is a good place,

We have been trying to get that kill radius down because we don't want to kill innocent bystanders when we're targeting, you know, military leaders.

So these two military leaders were in their car driving down the road on Sunday, and the U.S.

led a strike, and we let go of one of these Hellfire R9X missiles.

It doesn't explode.

The kill radius is a little smaller.

It's 30 inches.

And it doesn't actually explode.

The top of the missile comes out right before it hits, and it breaks up and

knives come out of the of the front and it's like it creates like a fan almost.

It just slices a 30-inch hole through anything and just makes gravy out of anything standing in its way.

30 inches.

People 30 inches away from the target are not affected.

Yeah, America just doesn't care.

We just kill everybody, don't we?

Unbelievable.

Tell me another country that would do that.

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Holy cow,

may I just say the John Bolton has zero credibility with me.

Zero credibility.

Anybody with me on this?

Stu, Pat?

Yes.

I am.

I don't know about Stu.

You know,

the gay character on the show is always so unpredictable.

I don't know which one.

He is unpredictable.

I'm expecting ding-dong and like a little cousin of his is going to move in.

Exactly.

I'm proud to be in a prediction.

I never know.

Yeah.

But

John Bolton, he comes out yesterday with

excerpts of his book.

And I have to tell you, this is despicable.

To me, it's despicable.

If you really believed that he was that dangerous, because he paints the picture of Donald Trump being the most dangerous person you would ever want anywhere near the White House.

And

he didn't say anything.

He didn't come out and just say, no, he waited for a $2 million payday.

It's grotesque.

Grotesque.

And he said, I didn't say anything because, you know, it would have been, it would have just all become political.

Okay, so now it's all political, but you got $2 million.

If it's going to be political, you might as well get the $2 million too.

Sounds great.

Just bad.

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As you know, I'm a gay character.

I mean, if I'm going to be gay, I might as well be gay for $2 million extra dollars.

I mean, if it's going to be gay either way,

not on this program.

So here's the

everybody's paid an equal wage.

And don't think that through.

Don't think that through.

Anyway,

the thing about,

you know, I had Adam Carolla on last night.

And

I said to him, you know, about this

culture of canceling everybody.

And he said, you know, Glenn, that's why I did what you did.

We both did it.

We created our own platform so nobody can cancel us from it.

And first of all, that's not true.

I could be canceled from the radio, which

I think your local radio station, especially talk, is in deep trouble, deep trouble, if this president loses this election.

I think we are on the verge of silencing our voices like you cannot even imagine.

But

he said, you know, I started my own platform, blah, blah, blah.

And, you know, so I don't worry about it.

Yeah, well, I get that, but what about the average person?

And he said, you know, you've got to just go along with it if you want to keep your job.

No, you don't.

There comes a point to where, you know, I can compromise.

And, you know, there were things that.

There were things that I believe that I shall never say, but there are things, but I will never say the things that I do not believe.

You know, when I was at Fox, that was Rupert Murdoch's company.

And I said that to Roger Ailes when I was there.

Look,

I'm not necessarily going to play ball and

say things that I don't agree with, but it's your company.

And if this is causing you problems, okay.

I'll say it elsewhere.

But you still say it.

You still, there are times when you say, okay,

I'm going to compromise here and not be very clear because it doesn't just involve me.

But when you come down to

where we are in America now,

you don't play ball with Marxists.

You don't give in.

Am I wrong?

I mean, I am willing to lose everything that I have to save the country.

Is it just me?

Yes.

You're the only one willing to do that.

It probably is just you, but.

no, it's not.

If you would.

Yeah.

You would, Stu.

You're not going to get on the air and say things that you don't believe because otherwise they're going to kick you off the air.

Well, you would, Stu.

I'm currently in the middle of becoming a gay character, even though I'm totally straight.

I don't do anything for money.

What are you talking about?

No, I mean, of course.

I don't know.

I think you're right.

It never looks good when you release this stuff in a book, right?

It never does.

You said it makes him sound like the worst person to ever be close to the White House.

Most of the stuff I've read so far sounds like stuff Donald Trump says in negotiations and doesn't mean anything.

You know, like the fact that he's saying to President Xi, hey,

you know, I love your concentration camp sounds like a great idea.

Like, we all know Donald Trump doesn't love concentration camps.

He didn't start building them.

He didn't send over crews to help build walls over at the concentration camp.

What did he do because of that situation?

And the answer is nothing.

Nothing.

It's just that he says all sorts of things that mean nothing.

He's constantly information mode.

And what is the difference between, hey, your concentration camps are great?

You know, maybe I'll come, you know, maybe we can do a Trump one and it'll be an exclusive concentration.

I mean, what is the difference between him saying that and Joe Biden giving a speech in front of President Z saying, you know, I agree, you know, while it's not right for America, I see why you have your one-child policy and it works well for you.

What's the difference?

That's a great point.

What's the difference?

There's no difference.

Yeah.

And I mean,

does anybody doubt that,

probably half-jokingly, President Trump could have said, yeah, you know what, we should do is execute some of these journalists.

I mean, behind the scenes, that's very possible, but he didn't mean they should actually execute them.

Did he execute any journalists?

Is the question we all need to ask in this?

As a matter of fact, he hasn't rounded them up like Barack Obama.

He's been much better for journalists than Barack Obama was when it comes to using the law and his power against them.

Could he have said, you know what would be fun?

Invading Venezuela, taking those loyal folks.

Totally.

He might have said that.

He could have said that.

Totally.

So what?

But

did he invade Venezuela?

The answer is no.

To judge Donald Trump's presidency, it is the most efficient and intelligent thing to do is just dismiss the things he says.

And watch what he does.

You don't know what he says.

Again, like, think of North Korea.

He said he was going to annihilate the country, and then, like, two days later, later said he was a good friend of Kim Jong-un.

Neither one of those is true.

Like we all know neither one is true.

Hyperbolic.

He speaks hyperbolically and he says a lot of it because he thinks he's getting an advantage in a negotiation or it's helping the press or whatever it is.

You can't just look at what he does, not what he says.

That's the best way to judge his presidency.

But he also says things to jar the thinking of others.

For instance,

when they said, he actually said, let's put alligators in the water and build a moat on the southern border.

Okay.

Did he say that?

I bet he did.

I bet he said it like this.

Mr.

President, we can't do this and we can't do that and we can't build this wall.

We've got all these other problems.

You know what?

Then maybe why don't we just build a moat and put some alligators in it?

Yes.

I mean, anybody got a problem with alligators?

Let's put alligators in there.

Yeah.

Because you guys aren't doing anything.

It could have happened that way.

Right.

And

it jars people's thinking.

You know,

why don't we just bomb them?

Well, because, Mr.

President, and if you're an old stodgy system,

you need to go in there and break up the thinking.

You need to go in and go, well, why haven't we thought about just bombing the snot out of them?

Why haven't we just gone in there?

Mr.

President, we don't because of X, Y, and Z.

Well, have we thought about bombing them?

Yes, we have.

Well, I'm leaning towards bombing them.

You're leaning towards giving them fruitcake.

Why don't you come up with another plan and see me about it?

Yeah, and then they come back.

It's the Overton window.

They come back with something that they wouldn't have ever done unless the president was saying, you know what, maybe we should bomb them.

He just fundamentally communicates different than other people communicate.

When you say something, Glenn, or Pat says something to me, what I assume is that Glenn or Pat mean the thing they're saying.

They believe that thing, and they're saying it because it's something they believe.

When Donald Trump says things, you can't take it that way.

He is in constant negotiation mode.

And when he goes into these situations, he's not calculating of, let me think of what my heart, my, my, my closely held belief is and uh and express that to

Kim Jong-un or President Xi.

He's going in there and saying, like, what do I need to do to improve my situation?

How do I get X, Y, or Z done?

Let me say whatever I have to to get that done.

Is that something that you should do?

There are legitimate questions as to whether that's a good idea.

But if you haven't priced that into Donald Trump at this point,

what are you doing?

Like, I mean, this is what he's been doing since long before he was running for president.

Wait, you, Glenn, how many times have you told the story about Tiffany's, where he said he was going to build the ugliest building in the world if they didn't give him the air rights for a building he wanted to build?

He was going to build the ugliest building in the world right next to Tiffany's.

It was going to basically destroy their business.

Was there a chance that Donald Trump was really going to go in there and make the ugliest building in the world next to Tiffany's in the middle of New York City?

My guess is

it's possible with Donald Trump, which is why it's successful, but probably not.

Like, he's not going to spend millions and millions of his own dollars just to make a point against the city.

Right?

Right.

But the Tiffany's didn't know that.

But they didn't know that.

You know,

I haven't talked about a phone call that I...

Have I talked about this on the air?

I mean, you'd have to go deeper than a phone call.

I assume you've had some.

You know what phone call I'm talking about.

I got a phone call from the president a few months back,

and we spoke for about a half an hour, and

it was fascinating, fascinating.

I learned a lot about him.

And

he said to me,

Good for you knowing the Tiffany story.

Not a lot of people know that.

I said, yeah, well, I've done my homework.

And

he said,

good for you.

Meaning, because we were talking about something else.

We were talking about trade.

And I said, I just assumed that you're doing some of the Tiffany's stuff.

And he said, what do you mean by that?

And I told him that, you know, I started telling him the story.

And that's when he said, good for you.

And it was almost in

a fashion of saying that as,

you understand.

Most don't.

And that's what you have to understand about Donald Trump.

First of all, he has diarrhea of the mouth.

I mean, you know,

my mother used to say, Glenn, you've got diarrhea of the mouth, which means just crap just shoots out of my mouth.

And, you know, you'll find pieces of something that was for dinner three weeks ago.

It has nothing to do with what you had dinner, you know, last night.

And

that's what he has.

There's things that just shoot out of his mouth, and others are very calculated.

And you can't dismiss when he's in a room of hostels like he was with Tiffany's.

Absolutely.

That he isn't saying things to shake them to the core.

And you know, the other thing that I think you were alluding to with your analogy was that

John Bolton was there for how long?

How long was he a part of this?

If you had this big a problem with this president, you should have gotten out and said something much sooner than now.

If you really believe that he is the problem that you're making him out to be, that he is dangerous to America, well, then you should have quit and you should have made your feelings known and understood loud and clear a long time ago.

Otherwise, you're just doing it for your own purposes.

You're doing it for, I mean, if that's not cashing in

and trading your country's security

for cash, if it's not one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen, and I say this about the people wrote the Obama books, the people that write any of these things.

Wait a minute.

You're holding back critical information and you're doing it for money?

It's grotesque.

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Wow.

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Yes.

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That's against a deadly weapon.

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No, no, he didn't have a deadly weapon.

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Yeah.

I mean, you can't say it's a deadly weapon when in the hands of police, and then when it's in the hands of somebody else, not say it's a deadly weapon.

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Right.

The police union said they didn't have a blueout last night.

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So a couple of weeks ago, I get up here at the ranch, and a friend of mine writes to me and said, Glenn, you need to watch this video.

And it was on ethnic Gnosticism.

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I'm actually a fan.

When I went to

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Gnostics were part of what I studied, and

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and others who just will never get it.

So if you're born knowing, you're going to go to heaven because you're saved

because you get it.

And the others, they're just never going to get it.

So ethnic Gnosticism piqued my interest.

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You know,

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That is Vadi Bajam.

He is a doctor of

theology, and he's got several degrees, Houston Baptist University, Southwestern Baptist, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, honorary degree from Southern California Seminary,

and postgraduate study at the University of Oxford, England.

He has nine children, been married since 1989, and currently lives in Zambia because of the heat that he received when he started talking about these things just a few years ago.

And all of his opportunities closed up because of the exact kind of cancel culture that we're talking about now.

But you need to hear his voice.

So we have, do we have have the Skype?

Do we have the

Skype connection?

And I'm sorry, is it Vodi?

Okay.

Vodi, I got to tell you, you look like Moses, man.

This is great.

Thank you for coming on.

I know that you have gone through a lot with your family,

and you're now serving the African community in Zambia, but I wish you were here.

Let's talk a little bit about ethnic Gnosticism and

teach teach the American people what is really going on here.

Yeah.

Well, first, thank you for having me on.

Thank you for giving me this opportunity.

Just I want to say that we came here, we've been here almost five years, and really it was the Lord calling us here to be a part of the work that he was doing here.

But you are correct in that

things were difficult,

these issues and coined the term eth agnosticism and you know as you've said the

the idea that there's certain people who have special knowledge and what we're seeing right now in our culture what we've been seeing for a while is the idea

oppressed

groups I would say minority groups, but

that's not really the way we talk about it.

Because, for example, we talk about women as one of these oppressed groups, and they're actually not a minority, they're the majority.

But when you belong to an oppressed,

you have a special knowledge as it relates to oppression that other people do not and cannot understand.

And it's rather ironic because

what we hear all the time is, you need to,

right?

You have to listen to us so that that you can understand us.

But the premise of ethnic

one of us,

you literally cannot understand us.

Okay,

let me restate this here because

his Skype is kind of catching a couple of times.

You have to cut some slack here because

he's calling us via Skype from Zambia.

So

this is an amazing thing that I think we can have it this good.

You just said that

the

oppressed groups will know.

They have their Gnostics, they know, and the others who are not in that oppressed group, they can never know.

They just,

even if you explain it to them, they can't really know.

Yeah, and so

it's really a catch-22 for

understand

people who have a desire to do the right thing, a desire to have a better understanding and sympathize and empathize with others.

You're essentially told that it's not possible.

We're also told that when it comes to understanding the truth of these issues,

that the truth is not necessarily determined by evidence per se.

It's determined by the experience.

This is so frustrating.

The experience of

that oppressed group.

I'm assuming he's saying, are you there?

Yes, okay.

Yes.

Yeah.

So

we are going to.

Yeah, I tell you what, let me just take a quick break and then we'll try to reconnect.

But when you come back, I really want to.

I did a special last night where I talked about how this is a cult.

This is a religion.

And what you're describing is religious in its nature.

I mean, the Gnostics were a religion,

and it's got all of the earmarks of a religion, which means that there's a never-ending supply of souls that need to be saved, but in this case, they can never really be saved because they'll never really know.

And it allows you to have this wiggle room of, well, evidence doesn't matter because this is a faith.

And it's very, very dangerous.

We'll reconnect and

continue our conversation.

I hope that we can get a good connection here.

I'm trying to convince him to come back to the United States as soon as this COVID thing is over

and spend some time because you just need to hear him speak and hear what he has to say.

He takes on social justice and ethnic Gnosticism and what's going on right now in America.

He takes it head-on and he speaks with real knowledge and experience.

We'll come back to him in just a second from Zambia.

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So, Vodi Bacham is a dean of theology at the African Christian University.

He is with us now from Zambia.

We've reconnected with him.

So, tell us how

this breaks apart and how this is really kind of an antichrist sort of message,

Vodhi.

Yes,

and this is why this is really concerning to me.

Because our knowledge,

we understand our knowledge comes from God, that God is the source of all knowledge.

We understand that the scriptures are sufficient.

And we go to the Bible to understand truth.

And we look at the world the way the world is.

God made the world in such a way that

we can do real science, for example, because there are things that we can expect from an orderly universe that was made by an intelligent creator.

So as Christians, these are the ways that we seek for truth, not through special individuals who have special knowledge.

We don't reduce our faith to the testimony of others.

We build our faith.

Right.

This seems to be almost

a regression back to the dark ages when you had to go to the priest because you couldn't read the language.

You couldn't own a Bible yourself.

And

what freed mankind was getting those middlemen out of the way.

You had the power to find truth on your own.

You were smart enough and you could live it.

And if you did the work, you could find truth.

Now we're saying, in almost every front, no, no, no, you need a middleman.

You can't decide that.

You're not smart enough.

And you just don't.

Now, this one is, you will never be smart enough if you're white.

You will never have this knowledge.

Yeah, and there are a number of people, John McWhorter and others, who have

likened this movement, the sort of anti-racism movement, to a religion.

And you hit the nail on the head.

There is this idea of saints and sinners.

Jim Wallace wrote a book, and the title of his book was America's Original Sin.

And so again, there are these religious connotations here.

And what worries me about this is that there are real problems.

There's real racism.

There's real evil.

There's real hatred.

There's real injustice.

And the answer to those things is a God who saved through the person and work of Christ.

That's our message as Christians, right?

Or at least it used to be.

Now the message is the answer is

something

other than the forgiveness that we find

through

God in Christ.

Now the answer is somehow you have to do enough penance.

And it's been interesting to watch scenes of white people literally kneeling and bowing and genuflecting in in repentance, you know, over their sin of white privilege or, you know, bias or conscious bias or unconscious bias or whatever else.

And the problem with this is that this religion is promising salvation somewhere other than God.

And unfortunately, there are many Christians who are sounding like they're rather satisfied with this.

Oh, yeah.

I'm struck with, you know, I've been ringing the bell against social justice

ever since I discovered it, you know, what, 15 years ago, and said this and collective salvation and the teachings of Wallace and everybody else is evil.

It's an upside-down world from what God wants.

I'm struck by the fact that

an earmark of anything that I think would be evil would be there is no forgiveness.

That is the most

un-Christian kind of thing I've ever heard.

If there is a God that does not forgive us, then everything we know about Christianity is wrong.

And I don't want to live in that world.

But we're now being told that there is no forgiveness, even if you beg for forgiveness.

And I see people bowing down, and part of me understands and says, okay, well, we all want to get along.

I think this plays on the best part of us, but our biggest Achilles heel.

People want to get along.

They want people to feel good.

And I, you know,

if I can help in this situation by saying, man, I'm really sorry that you feel that way.

I'm really,

it does bother me that you've gone through this.

But that's not what's happening here.

What's happening here is, I'm really sorry you went through this, but then I have to extend it out to, and I am somehow involved in this.

I somehow am the cause of your current pain and crisis.

And that doesn't make any sense to me.

And I think you hit on something that's very important when you say that that doesn't make any sense to me.

I think what's happening is People are having two different discussions, and they don't realize that they're having two different discussions.

People look at some, for example, like the George Floyd death and they see this tragic situation

and on the one hand

there's just universal condemnation of what happened.

I haven't heard of anyone.

I'm sure there's somebody out there.

I haven't heard any either.

And Kindip or whatever, but universally they condemn this.

But then what happens is people are explaining this in two different ways.

There are some people who are saying, see, there's the racism.

racism.

And there are other people who are saying, wait, you know, there's four officers, two black, one Asian, one white, this white officer did this.

How do we just declare that this is racism?

And what that's an example of is these two competing worldviews.

One worldview that says racism is individual.

It's an individual heart issue.

And that's the world where we deal with the individual heart issue with the message of the gospel.

But then there's another worldview that says, no, no, no, no, no.

Regardless of individual heart issue, this is a structural and institutional issue.

Therefore, and this is what boggles people's minds, sometimes they'll say, it doesn't matter what the facts of the case are.

This is evident structural and institutional racism.

And what that's doing is it's driving people apart because we're having two different conversations

that don't make sense to each other because

there's rules to this

that are,

for some people, not understood.

And for others,

are so clear that they don't even need to be spoken.

So

I want to take a quick break because we only have about a minute left.

And I want to take a quick break and come back to you and ask you about social justice and white privilege

because you say those are lies and

are taking us down

the wrong road.

And I want you to talk specifically to those people because I have a lot of them in this audience that are going to church and they're hearing talk of social justice.

Catholics in particular say social justice isn't bad because they kind of go off of this old meaning of social justice from the 1800s, but that was hijacked long ago.

So I want you to take on social justice and

talk to the pastors and the preachers and the priests and the people who are listening and trying to do the right thing

on where they might be going wrong.

and what we should be doing.

We'll do that in a second.

Thank you so much for being with us.

We're going to be back in just a second with

more.

You have to watch his YouTube videos.

We'll link them and send them out on social media.

But he gives these sermons that are so right on the money and so well spoken and so clear and clarifying that it's no wonder the left has come after him and his family as hard as they have.

It's a remarkable thing,

quite honestly, how evil works.

Back in a minute.

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It's not going to make you happy.

Apparently, the Obama executive order cannot be overturned with a Trump executive order.

I don't even understand how that works.

We have a lot of commentary on this coming up in just a minute, but

let me just say this: not going to come as a surprise.

John Roberts sided with the liberals, which is now becoming the most redundant sentence ever uttered.

Of course, he did.

We have Dr.

Vodi Bacham on with us.

He is the Dean of Theology of African Christian University.

He's on Skype with us from Zambia.

And I want to talk to you about a couple of things.

We have about 15 minutes here left.

So,

can you please explain the difference between social justice that a Christian would understand

and the social justice that is now being preached from many of our pulpits that is an anti-Christian message.

Well,

social justice

has been understood clearly for a while.

And social justice is distributive justice.

Social justice is about redistributing

resources and opportunities.

Social justice is not the same as the biblical biblical idea and the biblical concept of justice.

You also need to understand that social justice is built on the back of critical theory,

which is all about the idea of, you know, hegemony and power structures.

And hegemony may sound like a big academic word.

It just means that

there's a power structure that exists because of the individuals who set the rules of the game.

And they did it in order to...

the critical theory is Marxist.

I just want to throw that in, correct?

That's a Karl Marx theory.

Yes.

Absolutely.

Yes, most assuredly.

All right, go ahead.

Yeah.

The idea is that

the power structure comes from the elites who establish things.

They set the rules of the game.

And they set the rules of the game in order to benefit themselves and their posterity.

And everybody else else is oppressed because they're not part of the hegemony.

This, by the way, is why women, although they're a majority, are considered an oppressed minority because the hegemony is white, male, Christian, heterosexual, cisgendered, you know, on and on and on and on and on.

Okay.

And so social justice

is about really transferring power from those in the hegemony to those in oppressed oppressed groups.

The individual doesn't matter.

And again, this is why this bothers me so much, because as a Christian and as a minister of the gospel, I preach Christ and him crucified.

I preach the work that he has done and that we need to receive personally.

If we get into this critical theory business, where everything becomes structural, all of a sudden, this gospel has to either be transformed into something that the Bible doesn't recognize or it has to be

out.

And so this social justice movement, Black Lives Matter, for example, anyone who reads what they believe will see that they are anti-Christian.

They are fundamentally anti-Christian.

And so this whole idea, this whole idea of the social justice movement, and I get a lot of flack for it.

because, you know, either you have conscious bias or unconscious bias or you have internalized bias if you don't buy this hegemony.

So it's interesting how

critical theory sort of hedges itself in and protects itself on all sides.

Oh, right.

It's the same as witch hunts.

It's the same as witch hunts.

I mean, you know, that's exactly what a witch would say.

How do you defend yourself?

So let me ask you, let me ask you,

I have two more questions for you.

First of all,

the people that I know, the white people that I know, the Americans that I know, first of all, this is happening all over the world.

This is not an American problem.

It's not a white person problem.

You know, the Chinese have concentration camps for people who are different than them.

This is the oldest story, and it is the internal struggle of each individual, as well as a society.

But the white people that I know, we're all, we're like, this is not 1956.

It's not 1968.

It's not 1988.

We're fine.

We want people to be equal.

This system is corrupted.

Our founding system is so corrupted that it is causing all kinds of problems.

We've never really

lived up to the Declaration of Independence, but we all want to, or most of us want to.

But we feel like we're just absolutely under attack and this kind of message is going to make race relations much worse how do we help how do what do we do without playing in to

the evil of marxism

yeah and and i'm i'm going to tell you i this is one of the things that really bothers me about this i

on social media since the 22nd of of May, but these messages have been out there for years.

I've been talking about this for years, and I've really been frustrated with this and with the way that the attacks come.

I've been trying to talk about this from the perspective of the big picture.

And unfortunately, when you talk about it from the big picture, people tend to think, oh, you just don't have empathy.

You just don't have compassion.

You just don't understand how bad it is.

Me, who grew up in drug-infested, gang-infested South Central L.A., born in 1969, grew up during the crack era, grew up during the crack wars, if you will, raised by a single teenage Buddhist mother.

I wasn't raised in Christianity, never heard the gospel until I got

to university.

And so for people to try to marginalize me, Because I don't understand, I've been pulled over by the cops.

I've been down on the sidewalk because I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I know these kinds of things happen.

And yet, I still say that these ideologies are poisonous and they have to be confronted because these ideologies actually undermine our message as Christians.

I'm concerned about people.

I'm concerned about justice.

I'm concerned about souls.

And I know where this stuff comes from.

I understand where it comes from.

And I am not willing to lay down my Bible and have anyone force me to agree with certain things simply because if I don't, they will, you know, they will somehow label me and call me names.

I couldn't care less about people labeling me and calling me names.

I know who I am before God.

My conscience is clear.

And so

I'm worried about this like you.

I'm also an American who,

as an expat in a foreign country, I've been to dozens of countries in the world, and there's two things that I know.

Number one, black people in America are the freest and most prosperous black people in the world.

Period, bar none.

The second thing is this.

People outside of America think that we are the most oppressed people

in the world.

And people actually think that things like George Floyd are happening every day, that they're not an anomaly, but that they're commonplace.

And the reputation

as

outside of our borders, it sickens me and it saddens me.

But also the reputation that black people have, that somehow we are weak and impotent and that we can't do or be anything unless white people do it for us, which, by by the way, is kind of racist.

I believe that

race,

I am a descendant of some of the strongest people in the history of the world.

We overcame slavery

and now we're bowing and scraping like we need somebody to do something for us.

Our individuality is at stake.

Our self-pride is at stake.

And our trust in God as the answer and solution to our problems is at stake.

And so for me,

this is a very complex issue, but it's one that I'm very passionate about.

I will tell you that I am struck by

the first time I went to Israel, and I honestly didn't know much about the politics of the region.

And I was walking down the street in the old city, and there's a place where the Palestinian section stops.

It's just one street, one place.

It's just an archway that separates the Jewish quarter from the Palestinian quarter.

And you walk through it, and one is dirty and dingy and dark, and the other is light and bright and clean.

And you are within five feet of both of those things.

And

it struck me that one side just says, I don't care what anybody else says, I'm doing this.

And the other side has been told for so long, it's because of them.

They're stopping you, and I'm the only one that can help you.

And it stifles growth.

I think the

black community has been lied to by the progressive movement

really almost since Booker T.

Washington died.

I mean, they were lied to before that, but when Booker T died,

there was a shift from

We can do this.

We don't need anybody.

We can do this.

And it's been this constant battle of, no, no, no, you're being oppressed even now.

You don't even know it.

And you'll never get out unless these people.

My dad used to say to me, life isn't a series of things that happen to you, Glenn.

Life is what you do with those things.

And that's the most depressing thing about the message that's coming out of Black Lives Matter:

you're oppressed.

You'll never be able to do anything about it unless these people are gone.

Well,

there's no empowerment in that.

Yeah.

Very little hope.

That's another thing that I'm hearing is that there's very little hope.

And if our only hope is that, you know, certain people

begin to have empathy or begin to do whatever it is that we think certain people need to do, then we have no hope.

My hope is in God.

My hope is in Christ.

My hope is not in America.

My hope is not

in white people, black people.

And my hope is in God.

My hope is in Christ.

And

what worries me also is as an academic, I mean, I'm a dean, and I'm sure you saw that anonymous email that went out from the Berkeley professor.

This is an anonymous black professor.

Yeah, there are people in academia who are not free

to investigate issues

and do honest academic work.

And so what we're left with is these simplistic answers, right?

And so you have people who quote statistics on this side versus people who quote statistics on that side, right?

Two and a half times more likely to be shot by police, 18 and a half times more likely to, you know, shoot police officers, whatever, right?

And in both instances, we're giving these simplistic answers where the truth is something that's complex and so

if we have automatically said anybody who picks the statistics from this column is evil and shouldn't be listened to then we've also said that we are not going to honestly pursue complex answers to complex issues.

And what that means is we're going to use white people, or use black people rather.

We're going to use their story, we're going to use their suffering in order to advance our cause.

Glenn, that's what's been happening for decades.

And what has it gotten us?

And so here we are.

We have black mayors, black police chiefs.

You know,

we have a president who's a bi-ethnic president, you know,

all of these senators and everything else, right?

But by the testimony of black people themselves, the feeling is that things are actually not better.

The feeling is that the questions haven't been answered.

And so the frustration grows, and the hopelessness grows, and the alienation grows.

And what I'm saying is, we're looking for answers in the wrong places.

Let's

ask the hard question.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

I would love to have you back on again and would love to bring you to the United States.

Your voice really needs to be amplified.

Thank you so much for being on with us.

We'll have you on again.

My best of luck.

I don't even know what time it is in Zambia.

What time is it?

In the afternoon?

Is it in the afternoon?

Yeah, six hours here.

Well, thank you so much for

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When I hear Dr.

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recent theories also on the coronavirus.

I've been following

his tweets.

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Are you in London today still, Matt?

No, Glenn, I'm in Newcastle in northern England.

So not in London, but up north.

Well,

for the rest of America, that's still London.

Fair enough.

Anyway, so Matt,

I want to talk to you a little bit about as we start to go back to work, we're starting to hear that this thing is heating up.

And I think the worst thing that any of these officials could do is to

tell people that it's okay to go out in March and it was responsible after telling the rest of us, screw your business, you may lose your job, but you must stay in.

Now, if there is another wave of this and it is really bad, I think you're going to have a hard time convincing a lot of people to stay in.

They're going to say, screw you.

You didn't even believe it.

Well, I do think there has been an extraordinary double standard expressed by a lot of people in the media and officials condoning protests but

still telling the rest of us that we have to stay home and mustn't go out and mix with people.

You know, in this country, we're not allowed to go to the pub, we're not allowed to

have any fun at all.

But if we were to go as thousands did a couple of weekends ago, to London and march in really close proximity to each other and shout and scream, which of course means you're spreading a lot of droplets in the air,

then nobody seems to object.

And I do, you know, a lot of us feel that that is a double standard.

It needs to be called out.

Either those protests are going to produce a very nasty second spike of the virus, or we're going to find that it doesn't do that.

And all the evidence so far suggests that it doesn't do that.

There's no sign of an uptick, certainly in London, of either cases or of reports of people starting to feel ill and calling emergency hotlines and things like that.

And it's already two weeks down the road.

So either it looks like this has proved that we don't need so much social distancing anymore because we're into the season when this doesn't spread very well.

We've done a lot of the voluntary stuff, which has made it very difficult for the virus to spread.

And we can try and get our lives back to normal and get people's jobs back and get people's cancer appointments back and all these things that we've stopped.

Matt,

America's golden calf of the spring was Dr.

Fauci.

And now Fauci is saying he wouldn't go to any of these Trump rallies.

It's just too dangerous.

And now we also find out there may be no immunity.

Look what's happening in China.

These people should have been immune.

They're not immune.

And it's coming for a second wave.

So which is it?

Is it dangerous?

Or can you go out in these crowds and not have any real lasting effects?

Which one?

And who do we believe?

Of course, the true answer is we still don't fully know.

This is a new virus and we are still learning all the time.

However, we can say some things with great clarity.

And one of them is that young people are at very, very, very low risk indeed.

That if you're over 80, it is a serious problem.

It is a very dangerous virus if you've got underlying conditions.

And those are the people we need to be really careful and keep away from crowds and keep away from social contact with people because young people can spread it, but they're very unlikely to suffer seriously from it.

So

that's a really important point, I think, that we need to understand.

And on the point of immunity, there are lots of different things leading in different directions.

There isn't a huge amount of what you call B-cell immunity, that is to say antibodies, in the population, but there's another kind of immunity called T-cell immunity, which is partially effective and which seems to be very widespread in the population.

Some reports have said 40%, some reports have said 70% of kids under the age of four have this kind of immunity, and that's why they're not catching the disease.

Now, why have they got this kind of immunity?

Because there are four other coronaviruses that we catch pretty well every winter.

They're called the common cold.

They're one of the causes of the common cold.

And they have given us a degree of immunity to coronaviruses.

And once you factor in that, that maybe a big chunk of the population is already partly immune, then it turns out that the virus will die back of its own accord, particularly in summer, with only voluntary measures, and you won't need these drastic compulsory lockdowns.

But, as I say, we don't know that for sure.

That's the way it's looking at the moment.

It does seem, Matt, that

the seasonal aspect of it can be both encouraging and discouraging.

We are seeing some in the United States where there have been some states where we're seeing a little bit of a bounce back, but it does seem to be at least some seasonal effect.

However, does that signify we're in for it

in a big way going forward when we get to fall?

I think that is a concern because

all these respiratory viruses are seasonal.

Flu is seasonal.

Colds are seasonal.

And we don't really know why.

I mean, it's just quite interesting to talk briefly briefly about one of those coronaviruses that cause colds.

It's called OC43.

It's the commonest of the common cold coronaviruses.

It's highly seasonal.

You only get it in winter on the whole.

Now, genomic evidence, genetic evidence, suggests that that first entered the human population around 1890.

Well, it turns out there was a very bad epidemic of what was so-called Russian flu in 1889 to 90, and it sounds very like what we had today.

It hit old people harder than young people.

It hit men harder than women.

So it could be that that was the first entry of that virus into the population and it killed a million people and it spread all around the world.

But then it became much more harmless.

And it's so harmless now that you and I have probably had it several times.

We get partial immunity to it, but in a few years later, you can get it again, and you just call it a cold.

So that holds out hope in the long run that this virus will also turn harmless.

And the reason that happens with respiratory viruses, not necessarily with other kinds of viruses, is because the virus wants you out there protesting and coughing and having fun and talking to people because that way it can spread more easily.

If you go to bed and lie still for a week and don't see anybody, then that's no good to the virus.

The virus needs another destination.

So, Matt, have we is there a definitive answer yet on

where this came from?

I just talked to somebody who said,

no, no, no.

Researchers have found that

China

put this bat virus, I think, into a mouse or something, and it's documented over in China with video.

They talked about doing it.

They weren't weaponizing it.

They were just experimenting.

And he said, because of that, and he had all the scientific jargon, because of that,

it's a

virus that was released and doesn't have any real staying power to it, and it's going to get weaker and weaker.

Have you looked into that?

Have you heard that?

I have looked into this, and I don't know the answer any more than anybody else.

We are still very uncertain here, and I don't know

what happened.

But there are several key things that we now do know.

The first is that it did not jump from an animal to a human being in that seafood market in Wuhan.

We know that for two reasons.

One, because the animals in the seafood market turn out to be to test negative.

There was no animal they could find that tested positive.

The Chinese only announced that very recently, even though they did the tests early in January.

It would have been helpful if they'd let us know a bit sooner.

Secondly,

we know that it was already very well adapted to human beings in the people who caught it in the market.

So what this tells us is that the market was a super spreader event.

It was a person spreading it in the market, not an animal.

Now, that does make it less likely that we need to, well, you know,

that means that we need to look for other sources of where it came from.

And with respect to the labs, there are several questions we need to answer if we are to rule out the possibility that it's a lab leak.

Wuhan is one of the centers of coronavirus research in the world, one of the two top centers for coronavirus research in the world.

They were working on coronaviruses.

They were combining parts of one virus with another, making so-called chimeric viruses.

They handled the sample taken from a mineshaft in 2013 that is the closest bat sample to the one we have.

For some reason they changed the name of that sample when they announced it in January and didn't say that it was from a mine shaft.

We're a little unsure about why that is, but we know that three miners died in that mine shaft from a pneumonia-like illness that turned out to be a coronavirus.

So presumably their lungs were analyzed too.

We need to know what that was.

We know that when they do these experiments in Wuhan to make combined viruses, they take the so-called receptor binding domain from one virus and add it to the backbone of another.

And that's what this virus looks like.

It looks like it's got a pangolin part for one part and a bat part for another.

We know they can do that without leaving a trace.

It used to be argued until a few weeks ago that if they had done that, they would very clearly leave a signature, a sort of restriction enzyme signature, to give it its proper name.

We know that they can do it without doing that.

So, there's a whole bunch of things that we know make it possible for this to have been made deliberately in the lab with a view to understanding its virulence, not with a view to making a bioweapon, and that it's possible that it therefore leaked.

Now, to rule that out, the Chinese authorities need to bring forward all the researchers involved in that program and give us a complete and open account of exactly what experiments they did and why they think it did not leak.

And then we can be reassured.

It's in their interest to do that.

How do you think history is going to look back at the response of this?

This is the first time in human history that we have shut everything down.

I mean, they shut things down in London for the London plague, but not like this.

This is really kind of a test run: does this work?

Can we even do it?

How is this going to be viewed in history as a good thing or the first in the way we handled viruses?

How is this going to be remembered?

I think this is going to be remembered as a pretty big, disastrous series of policy mistakes.

I think so, too.

We reacted too slowly at the start.

We overreacted in the middle.

We relied too much on scientific models, which were flawed in their forecasting.

And as you say, we used thoroughly illiberal and compulsory means to shut down the whole of society, doing huge economic damage without, and then the worst mistake of all, we let it run rampant through the care home system.

Both in my country and in New York State, there have been cases where patients were sent from hospitals to care homes without being tested for the virus.

That caused an epidemic in the care homes.

So there's a whole series of mistakes that I think I'm afraid are pretty disastrous, and we're going to have to learn very carefully from this not to behave that way in future.

We ought to have been able to handle this with

a voluntary restrictions that saved old people who were most at risk from getting close to the virus, but didn't interfere with young people going about their business and earning their living.

And that, I think, is one of the things we've got to do.

In my book called How Innovation Works, I write about vaccines, I write about drugs, I write about all these innovations.

And I think the other lesson we have to learn is that we didn't do enough innovation in vaccine development development and other things before this uh pandemic came along because we knew it was possible

i'm so afraid that we'll never get past this and the same thing is is going to happen uh is going to happen again we're just going to lose interest in it once we get past it and and then no one's going to follow up okay go ahead glenn yeah um how innovation works is uh stu is i mean matt he worships a small idol of you uh

uh you really changed his life and i've read uh your book how innovation Works.

It's really, really, really good, and everybody should read it.

We appreciate you being on with us.

Thank you so much.

Matt Ridley, the

rationaloptimist.com.

And the name of his book is How Innovation Works and Why It Flourishes in Freedom.

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No, but if you praise Andrew Cuomo, we know you were wrong.

Fuck.

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Now I look at Andrew Cuomo and I just see Chris.

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Insufficient isolation protocols, inadequate staff planning, the mixed message from the state and the city government, over-reliance on federal government sources for key equipment, procurement planning gaps,

and

that leaves out the nursing home slaughter centers that

Cuomo had built.

And then they look in and they tried to compare it to what the media was saying to him.

And they said

many of the leadership failures of Cuomo were not the focus of the media's discussion.

Rather, Amy Rohrbach from ABC News concentrated on the important things, such as the governor's reaction to being sexualized by lonely wine moms.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Failure every place

we know there was.

We knew this was a failure when we saw it, and they were built up.

And I just don't think it's going to bid well for the Democrats coming this fall.

I really don't.

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We're so glad that you have tuned in today.

Last night, I did a special on the most dangerous cult in America, and it is this Marxist cult that is out now part of this cancel culture.

And it doesn't matter what you say,

you're a racist, whether you like it or not.

And all of these companies that are playing right into this and

firing people, apologizing for things that

they may not have ever done.

And

I think people are starting to catch on that it could happen to them.

There's a story of

a

principal up in Vermont.

that is, it's just the most remarkable story.

She said, I firmly believe that in black lives, that black lives matter.

But I don't agree with the coercive measures taken to get this point across, some of which are falsified in an attempt to prove a point.

While I want to get behind BLM, I don't think that the people should be made to feel that they have to choose black race over human race.

While I understand the urgency to feel compelled to advocate for black lives, what about our fellow law enforcement officials?

What about all the others who

we advocate for and demand equity for all?

Just because I walk around,

just because I don't walk around with a BLM sign doesn't mean that I'm not a racist or that I am a racist.

Well, she's been suspended.

What did she say wrong?

Now,

as bad as this is, imagine being fired

for doing literally nothing

and then having the people who claimed you were doing something wrong recant and say, you know what?

No, I had it wrong.

I don't think it was a racist thing.

And your employer won't hire you back.

This is what's happening to a California man who was fired from his job because someone, he was on the road, someone took a picture of his hand

outside of his outside of his truck and he was cracking his knuckles.

That's what he said.

But they said he was forming the okay sign, which is alleged white power.

Are you kidding me?

Do you not have anything else to do with your life?

So his name is Emmanuel Cafferty.

He was fired from his position at San Diego Gas and Electric

because the Twitter user posted this, which has now been deleted, said that he was a San Diego Gas and Electric employee, and he was making the white power symbol near a Black Lives Rally.

Well, he's Mexican-American.

He said, I just was cracking my knuckles,

and he's been charged, tried, now, and convicted on social media.

And he lost his job.

When the other person said, I got it wrong,

San Diego Gas and Electric didn't care.

He's with us now in his first interview.

His name is Emmanuel Cafferty, Mexican-American.

Welcome to the program, Emmanuel.

How are you?

Other than being unemployed, I'm fine.

So when our producers reached out to you,

you said

you just want your job back.

And then we reached out to

San Diego Gas and Electric.

And they said

our employees are held to a high standard and expected to live up to our values every day, whether in interactions with fellow employees or the public, we conducted a good faith and thorough investigation that included gathering relevant information and multiple interviews and took action in line with those values.

While we're not able to reveal the further circumstances surrounding our investigation, Mr.

Cafferty's separation from the company, we stand by our decision and will not be commenting any further.

So, basically, what they're saying is they know you're a racist, but they can't tell anybody why you're a racist.

Maybe.

Or they're just saying they don't want to admit they made a mistake.

So

and you do you still want to work with those people?

Yeah, I do.

I I

I thought I was the best position I could be.

I worked three and a half years to get that position.

And the day I was hired by them was one of my proudest days.

And to lose it in this this fashion, it's

it's like it's blazing.

And yeah, I want to work I still want to work there.

And you say that you have special skills that your job that you did, what you trained for, is very specialized, and so there are not a lot of these jobs around.

Correct.

What is it you do?

Underground utility locating.

so how and how do you do that?

Do you have to crawl through the sewers or you just

use a scope of some sort?

Anytime someone wants to dig, they need to know what's underground, right?

There's a gas line there, there's a power line there, phone line, whatever.

So, you know, we have special tools that can show where they're at.

We'll paint it on the ground and

you know, everyone can see where it's at.

Now, you have three daughters

and a grandson that lives with you,

and you were fired without any severance.

Correct.

That was just it.

Yeah.

How are you paying for things?

Well, it's only been a couple weeks so far.

So, you know, I had a little bit of savings.

But it's going to be tough here coming up, especially in the COVID climate we're living in.

Well, not only that, Emmanuel, but your former company has has issued a statement that said that they know you are a racist.

They just can't tell anybody why.

I mean, I don't know how you're going to find a job with your former company saying that.

I mean,

do you have a clan?

Have you ever been a member of the clan?

Do you know things that the average person doesn't know?

Because I honestly,

I would look at that statement and say, I'm blackballed forever.

Yeah,

luckily, when you look at my face and you see that I'm Mexican-American, it's not going to be the first thing to come up to your mind that I might be a Klan member.

So, you started a petition on change.org

to try to convince your company to hire you back instead of a fundraising

petition, right?

This is

your saying,

help me raise enough voices to say, hire me back.

Correct.

There is now a GoFundMe

account

with my name

at the GoFundMe

site

for

legal fees

in case'cause

I'm not gonna take this standing.

I'm not gonna sit down taking this.

It's just completely unfair.

If it could happen to me, it could happen to somebody else.

So I'm gonna go as far as I can to make as much noise as I can to

kind of right this wrong.

So are you going for possibly a wrongful termination lawsuit or sue the guy that sicked the mob on you for civil damages?

Or do you even know who it was that sick the mob on you?

We kind of figured it out.

We kind of got a name.

He's since removed his account,

which is even more maddening.

He's even gave a statement to the local media that's new

and

basically recanted everything he charged me of doing.

And

all he did is said you

he said you were making the white supremacist

symbol, the OK sign.

And how far away were you when that picture was taken?

Do you even know from the Black Lives Matter rally?

No, I do know.

It's over a mile.

So you were sending a message to protesters that were a mile away?

Is that what they're alleging?

Well, no.

They just took his word for it.

He framed a picture with his captions, with his

story of the version his version of the story.

And they, for whatever reason, either they believed his story more than mine, or they just didn't care, or just because it was that weak,

you know,

the week with all the racial uprising, and either he didn't want to deal with it, he believed him more than me, I don't know.

But his version of it was full of lies.

The way he put it on Twitter was just full of lies, and

that's what happened.

And I'm dealing with the repercussions.

We're talking to Emmanuel Cafferty, who was fired for allegedly giving a white supremacist

signal as he was driving past a rally.

Emmanuel, as I look at this, what I see

a mile, a mile past the rally.

A mile past the rally.

When I look at this, I see a situation where a lot of people are really stupid on social media, and a lot of people allege things that are false on social media, and a lot of people do really stupid things on social media.

And while the person who alleged this is seemingly clearly in the wrong here, it's a totally different standard to be held by an employer.

They seem to me to be the one who is really at fault here and have taken, I mean, they've smeared your name, they've smeared your reputation, they've taken your job.

They really are the ones who are in a way confirming this ridiculous allegation against you.

To me, they seem to be the ones who are most at fault here.

Is that how you see it as well?

No.

No, I don't.

I see what this this guy did.

He's like a real-life troll.

He put me and the company

in a tough position.

One, they have to make a decision whether, you know, a company like that, they're going to just say, we have no, we have no

patience for racism.

They're going to have to, you know, make a big, bold statement.

And unfortunately, for me, I ended up being a sacrificial lamb for that.

But had this guy just stayed in his own lane, had this guy not went out of his way to take a picture, first of all, I'm not even making a white supremac gesture in the picture he takes.

And if he doesn't put that online, tagging my opinion, tagging every news outlet in the city, none of this will happen.

The actions of this one troll is the reason why I don't have a job today.

That is a very adult way of handling it.

I don't know that I would have the same restraint, but I would say it does give the company

a real out here and a possibility to make this right,

where they can rehire you

and make this into a situation where

social media got out of control, they made a wrong decision and can correct it.

They still have a window here.

It seems like you're giving them a manual, and they should definitely take it.

I personally would be living off of the profits of a litigation suit that would never go to court because they would settle for big dollars because unless they have something on you that they really can't say they've just said we fired you yeah and well that might not be right we did our investigation and homework and this guy man is he a racist and i think you're gonna have a hard time finding a job uh after that

yeah yeah they could say that they could say that my interaction with him at all is against their public image and that's why I'm fired.

Well, I wish you the best of luck, Emmanuel.

I'm sorry this happened to you or anybody,

but I appreciate it.

And like Stu said, you're being much more,

I guess, Christ-like than I would be.

But the best of luck.

And you can go to change.org or to

what's the other one?

GoFundMe.

That are raising money.

Yeah.

GoFundMe.

His name is Emmanuel Cafferty.

Emmanuel Cafferty.

Thank you so much, Emmanuel.

I appreciate it.

God bless.

Does anybody else think that that's just bowing down to this company?

I mean,

these companies are bowing down to everybody.

If you don't teach these companies a lesson, they're not going to stop.

They'll throw anybody under the bus.

Yeah, I don't know.

Throw anybody under the bus.

It's an interesting approach there because it seems like he really does want the job pack.

And I certainly would not want to go back to a company that treated me that way.

But I think he's looking at this and saying, look,

this person made a false accusation.

I can understand why companies get pressured into these situations,

especially in this current environment.

So he's given them another chance.

I mean, this is a gift from this guy.

He does not have to provide this gift to this company.

They should take it.

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