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Today in the podcast, we talked to someone who was fired from her job for posting a video about how Christians should approach the Black Lives Matter movement.

We get into that.

Also, James Lindsay, he is a guy who is an academic and has uncovered just incredible bias in the world of science and research.

He was in his new understanding of racism, systemic racism, institutional racism, and the differences.

Ben Dominich from the Federalist comes on.

His site was threatened to lose its revenue from Google News because I guess it was too hateful.

In fact, the comment section was apparently hateful, which is a bizarre thing.

And Mrs.

Butterworth on the chopping block.

We've already lost Aunt Jemima.

That happened today.

Now, Mrs.

Butterworth is the next one in the target.

We'll get into that.

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By the way, let me just start with the French president, Emmanuel Macron.

Macron

announced yesterday, quote, we will be inflexible when it comes to tackling racism, anti-Semitism, and discrimination.

And new strong decisions will be made to reinforce the equality of chances.

But this noble fight is perverted when it turns into communitarianism

and into false rewriting of history.

This is unacceptable.

I will tell you very clearly tonight, my dear fellow citizens, the Republic will not erase any trace or any name from its history.

It will not forget any of its deeds or take down any statues.

Now I'd just like to point out, this is France, the world's pansies

They're taking a stand good heavens American men, where have you gone?

France is shaming a France France

They'll surrender to a squirt gun

They're taking a stand meanwhile in California They're removing finally finally the statue of Columbus and Queen Isabella from the rotunda of the Capitol.

It's only taken them like 138 years.

That thing has just been screaming racism for 138 years, and they're just getting around.

Well, I want you to know, California, I still don't forgive you.

I still don't forget.

You take down that racist statue from your rotunda.

You go ahead and erase what those

white

people

in Spain did,

okay?

What those Spaniards, which were very wha you era you you can erase it, but you will never erase my memory of your racist erasing of racism.

I'll tell you that right now.

It's a good thing Macron wasn't around here, because he would

well, he'd actually

no, he wouldn't be on your side.

Gosh darn it.

Whoever thought we would look at a French president and go, well, he's got balls?

Stu, welcome to the program.

I notice you're unusually quiet.

Don't want to get involved on any of this, do you?

Sounds like a terrible idea, yes.

Yeah.

So I'd like to invite you in on this one.

PepsiCo has just announced that Aunt Jemima is racist

and they are going to to no longer, well, they're going to make the syrup.

They're just going to put it into,

I don't know, maybe a maybe a bottle shaped like me.

And you can pour your syrup out of my head.

Maybe.

And I would take that.

Colonel Sanders, I have been saying to KFC, I am Colonel Sanders.

Look at me for the love of Pete.

You are.

You put a bucket in my hand and a white suit and a little bolo tie, and I am Colonel Sanders.

and I love fried chicken.

But they won't let me be the spokesperson, so I'm offering my services to PepsiCo that they can make a syrup bottle in my shape.

There's a lot of room for syrup, and

I know it's like the jumbo family size.

It's only available at Costco, for sure.

Right.

Right.

And you can pour the syrup right out of my head.

There you go.

And that's great.

I came up with that.

So I'm glad that people.

Is Pepsi just

understanding this?

They've had this product for a very long time.

It was created in 1889.

So I don't know.

I would say by today's standards, literally everyone on the planet

who was on the planet in 1889 was probably racist by today's standards.

So any product from those days would be something we'd have to eliminate right away.

Maybe we should just start deleting and changing all the names of every product every two or three years.

That way we never run into this problem again.

Look, well, I don't think we should name it after anybody.

We shouldn't name anything after anybody or build any statue unless they're,

you know, unless they're BLM activists.

You know?

Right.

And I'm sure the BLM activists would be fine having syrup poured out of their head, you know, and help Pepsi sell products.

I'm sure they would be happy with that.

Oh, I'm sure they would.

I just can't understand the reaction to this.

The idea that a product that's been around since 1889 needs to go away now

because

people are protesting someone who was murdered by a police officer.

Like,

these things don't stand.

They're removing a statue.

Have you seen the statue of Isabella and Columbus?

Yeah.

It's enormous.

It's enormous.

Incredible.

You know, I have to tell you, I would love to to tell you the story of the Capitol in Washington, D.C., and something, a story that most people don't know.

But I honestly thought about it today.

When I read that, I thought about telling that story.

I'm like, oh,

I'm never going to tell that story.

I'm never going to tell that story because

it will absolutely move,

it will move us into

people will say the Washington, D.C.

Capitol needs to be changed.

What?

Yeah, no, it's true.

Did you see that?

They're just changing everything.

Did you see the situation with Bob Odenkirk and David Cross,

the two comedians?

I love these guys.

I mean, hate me, but I love them.

Mr.

Show with Bob and David was on HBO back in the 90s, the greatest sketch comedy show of all time, in my opinion.

Of all time.

In the correct opinion.

And they brought it back for Netflix for a few episodes.

By the way, by the way, Stu will be rounding anybody up and chopping their heads off if you disagree with that.

Anything.

We have a little different standards than

the regular protesters.

We're just about movies, entertainment, and comedy.

These are the sorts of things that we can implement in our new autonomous zone that we're putting together.

So there is

a sketch comedy show called Mr.

Show with Bob and David.

They brought it back on Netflix in 2015 for like three or four episodes.

It's kind of like a throwback to it.

And in one of the sketches, and it's funny how fast these things turn, but in one of the sketches, there is a parody of basically like a libertarian YouTuber.

Remember, this was a thing for a while where like libertarian YouTubers would go out by police and they would film themselves and they would kind of be antagonistic and keep saying things like, Look, it's my right.

If you do, you have no right to ask me what my name is, and you have no right to ask me to roll my window down, and you have no right to take my documents.

I'm a free citizen.

State law says, you know, like that whole thing.

So they're parodying that phenomenon, which is funny because to parody that phenomenon, you have to make the the police officers look really nice and understanding which is the exact opposite of what how they are portrayed today by entertainment but so they go through this whole sketch and he goes through like a a um a checkpoint a you know dui checkpoint and he keeps trying to antagonize the cop and the cop's just like you didn't do anything wrong like he's totally playing along and not caring about what all these like crazy things he's trying to antagonize him into.

He wants to get himself filmed being a victim of police brutality and can't get it to happen, is essentially the sketch.

So he goes through like five or six times.

Finally, on the last time, he decides to put on blackface and go through as a black man, right?

And as he goes through, then the white cop sees him, comes over, he's like, is this the guy that's been coming through all these times and starts spraying him with pepper spray and drags him out of the car and beats him up on the ground?

Now, there's a bunch of points being made, and it's also just funny, but one of the very fair points you could make from this sketch is that he's saying black people get treated worse by cops than white people.

Yeah.

Right.

And white cops are the ones doing it, which is essentially exactly what Black Lives Matter is saying today, right?

Like, it's exactly their point.

Netflix has announced because David Cross is wearing blackface in the sketch, they're deleting the sketch from the series.

Like, wait, he's making this

better.

I mean, that's better.

Look, those guys are so left.

You know, they're always lecturing.

And these guys will say, oh, well, they're just canceling that sketch.

We apologize for that sketch.

We shouldn't have done that sketch.

Now they're pretty pissed off about it.

And they'll actually mean it.

They're pretty pissed off about it, Bob and David.

They're like, we made these decisions intentionally.

We did not.

Good for you.

Like, they stood up for their material, which they should.

Again, like, what is the problem with blackface?

It's not the paint, right?

It's not the makeup color.

The problem with blackface is the motivation behind it.

I brought up an example actually last night on Stu Does America, Glenn, and it was you were the one that made me think of it.

It's because I remember going to your house and watching you burn American flags.

And it's like, holy crap, like, I don't want to burn American flags.

That's a terrible thing.

That's against America.

We don't want that to happen.

I want to cancel you for doing that.

Well, when you actually, it's not the burning of the flag that's the problem.

It's the motivation behind the act.

When you look at the motivation behind the act, you would say, Glenn, it was an official retirement ceremony of a flag done with military and police from around your area.

Do you remember the ceremony?

Do you remember what I'm talking about?

No, no,

we had the Connecticut Police Honor Guard.

Yeah.

And their job, part of their job, is doing ceremonial retirements of flags.

And so we looked it up and did exactly what we were supposed to do.

This is in the days before Facebook and social media, so nobody's ever seen it

except the people that were there.

And it was a very,

I actually have thought about doing it this

year

at 4th of July and do carry it on Facebook.

Yeah.

Because I don't think people have seen it.

And it's very respectful.

It makes you feel a little weird, though.

I mean, you're seeing a flag burn, but then you realize because you're an adult, you think it through and you say, well, this is actually the appropriate ceremony and how the Honor Guard does it.

It's the same thing with this sketch.

Blackface, yes, it can be used for 100 million bad reasons.

And of course, you should never do it because you're definitely going to get fired.

But the motivation was to parody racism.

It was to degrade racism.

Doesn't that even count?

We're not even adults enough to understand the motivation behind a message.

It's pathetic, is it not?

Yeah, it is.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Did you hear the story of the guy in California that was just driving down the street and he was in the California gas and electric truck or whatever the hell it is?

And

he has his hand out and he's cracking his knuckles.

And as he's cracking his first knuckle,

he kind of makes the peace sign or the OK sign, which we all know is racist, which is not racist, which was, it was, it was started as a meme, and it was started by, wasn't it started by like 4chan people that were making fun and saying, let's try to make everybody believe?

Yep.

So it's not even racist.

It was a, it was.

It's a joke.

It was.

It was trying to show what sheep

Americans are.

Yeah.

So he's cracking his knuckles.

Well, somebody takes a picture of it and said, oh my gosh, look at this racist

making this racist hand sign.

Why would you,

I mean, this.

Anyway, he loses his job.

He then

has the person

who

wrote this said, I didn't mean for him to lose his job.

I mean,

I may have been wrong about that.

And he says, you were wrong about it.

I was cracking my knuckles.

Now he's a Hispanic guy.

So the person that filed the, not even the complaint, just social media, hey, what's going on?

That person has said, no, I was wrong.

I was wrong.

It wasn't a racist thing.

The gas company will not hire him back.

He wants his job back.

I don't know why he wants his job back.

We called to see if he ever would get his job back, and they doubled down.

The first national interview with him is coming up on tomorrow's program.

You don't want to miss it.

It's an unbelievable story, but this is happening everywhere.

Reagan S.

Qday, who is a turning point USA ambassador, also a Christian,

she made a video and she was talking about why BLM is not a Christian movement.

This is not the way Christ would want us to do things.

Well, my gosh, somebody in her office saw how offensive that was.

And within 15 minutes, she lost her job.

We have Reagan on the phone with us.

Hello, Reagan.

How are you?

Hi, I'm great.

How are you?

Good.

So, Reagan, were you named after Ronald Reagan?

You know, it's funny.

My nickname growing up was Reaganomics.

My mom called me that, and I still answer to it to this day.

I don't know what she named me after, but my nickname definitely is attributed to him.

Okay.

So, Reagan, what did you say that was so horrible?

And

Sarah, please be ready on the edit button.

Go ahead.

Well, you know, I was really, Mr.

Beck, I was addressing the evangelical church.

Seeing the way Christian pastors and leaders have been just twisting the true gospel of the Bible and making this social gospel narrative

was really upsetting and sad to me because I feel like it's very misleading to believers.

And so I posted a video discussing the Black Lives Matter organization, what it stands for, and why Christians should be focusing on the gospel, which ultimately reconciles hearts and fixes the sin problem of racism,

rather than calling for action and

focusing on racial reconciliation and things that are not of Christ.

Well, there's no reconciliation.

With BLM and this movement, there is no racial recognition.

There is beg for forgiveness, but you can't really even know what you're sorry for because you don't know what you're guilty for because you're white.

And you have to go through them for forgiveness.

And there is no forgiveness, as I just pointed out.

The problem with that is the only one that can truly grant forgiveness is God.

You're coming in because you're white with original sin.

Well, that goes against, we don't hold people responsible for what their fathers or their great-grandfathers did at any time.

God doesn't hold people responsible.

He holds you as an individual and never a collective.

This social justice garbage that is being shoveled by many of our churches is just that, garbage, and an affront to God.

When man declares there's an original sin that you have to pay for because of what somebody else did 150 years ago, and there is no real forgiveness for you because you're white or black or yellow or orange, it doesn't matter,

that's an affront to God.

And I don't know why churches aren't getting this.

Yeah, I definitely agree.

And I think, too, Mr.

Beck, there has been a Trojan horse of social justice within the church for a very long time.

And I think, you know, after the George Floyd incident, things have come to their peak.

And so the church is kind of in a place where if they don't address this,

it would be an injustice to congregants, it would appear.

But it's a shame, really, that the church has drifted so far from teaching theology that they have to, you know, as scripture says, tickle the ears of those willing to listen.

And they have to call for worldly virtuousness over spiritual righteousness.

And it's just a dangerous line to walk.

I think you have a congregation of people who come to church on Sunday to hear the gospel and walk away and worship, but many church leaders are sharing a motivational speech with scripture sprinkled in so that congregants walk away with a worldly call to action, which ultimately does not save.

So the reaction when you posted this,

you didn't think you'd get any blowback or did you?

I don't think I expected to get as much as I got.

Most of my following on on social media is Christian conservatives who very much

hold the same beliefs I do.

So I really was speaking to them.

I did not expect it.

Obviously, social media reaches everyone, but I didn't expect it to blow up the way that it did.

And so, I mean, I got backlash.

Excuse me.

I got backlash probably for a solid 24 to 48 hours, and it just

was a lot, but I think it's something people needed to hear.

So I haven't taken it down.

You lost your job because somebody in your office

saw this post and said you are a racist and need to be terminated.

And with fifty within 15 minutes, I'm told, you were in the office of the boss and they were talking about

you and your job.

True?

Well, so it was actually an ex-employee, so someone that I actually used to work with, and she made a post and called me racist, homophobic, and she tagged my employer.

So, of course, then, you know, the mob on social media knows where I work now.

And so they made calls in to the company, made death threats to the owners.

And

I don't really know how bad it was.

I know they had to get law enforcement involved to patrol the area and protect the building.

And it just blows my mind that that's the way we're going.

So when you were brought in and you heard this, I know you didn't want anything to happen to anybody else.

were they

were they angry with you or what what was their reaction was it like we got to get the mob off our back well I think I think they were so I first they first called me because I've been working ho at home due to all the COVID

regulations and so they called me and said

you know it's been brought to our attention about this social media post we're going to put you on paid suspension until we complete an investigation and so I kind of was just all day you know heart rate kind of going high and not really sure what to expect.

And then by 5 p.m.

that day, they called me back and said, you know, due to the measures we've had to take, we have come to the conclusion we have to terminate your employment.

And I think it was something that they didn't want to do.

And I could kind of hear that in their voice, but it was one of those things

their hands were tied.

They said you resigned.

Yes, they did.

And that's a whole other thing.

On the phone, they offered me the option to resign.

And I said, you know, I appreciate that option.

And I guess they took that as a commitment.

And so, and actually, an hour later, I called back and said, you know, I've made my decision.

I'd prefer to be terminated.

But my separation notice does not say that.

Right, right.

So would you do it again?

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

You know, I've kind of

the way things have gone down, you know, I feel like

and I don't have hard feelings towards the company I worked for at all I mean they have always been wonderful in taking care of me but I do feel like this could have gone a completely different way

I feel like they they they could have fired me and done what they did or they could have protected me and you know pressed charges on those making threats because those really were the people in the wrong

and so you know

Looking back, it's like I don't think I wouldn't change anything I did.

I said what I said.

I still stand by what I said to this day.

And

if an employer

is willing to let me go because of something I posted not on company time,

not related to the company,

it just kind of has solidified for me the fact that

it's not worth my time.

Reagan,

you are,

I think, the first person I've talked to

that has

actually

lived the scripture of he who will lose his life for my sake will gain his life.

You're the first person that I think I've talked to, Stu correct me if I'm wrong, that has actually fit that scripture.

And you've had the bravery enough, you've been brave enough to stand up against the mob and say,

I'm sorry, but the Lord would say this.

And that is a big deal.

There's a lot of cowards out there, many of us.

And I, you know, I have been pushed to the wall, but I have not been pushed to the wall like even you have.

I don't think.

Nobody's threatening to fall.

Well, no, I take that back.

Anyway, but you really fit that scripture.

And congratulations.

Congratulations.

Keep it up.

Thank you.

You bet.

The whole time all this was going on, I just kept thinking of John 15, where Jesus said, if the world hates you, know that it hated me before it hated you.

And as Christians, we're

expected to have persecution.

We're guaranteed persecution, as a matter of fact.

So, you know, the worldly reaction isn't really a surprise to me.

I think what was a surprise to me were the number of people that I knew and grew up with who said they were Christians and who have, you know, studied scripture and I've been to church with them and they still, they have fallen for this social justice gospel.

Yeah.

reagan thank you very much uh reagan sq day uh i will tell you the same thing that i said in 2000 i think nine if you're going to a church and they're talking about social justice

uh you need to you need to do one of two things uh either run for your life

or

make your first stop your pastor's uh office or your priest's office and say what do you mean by social justice uh there is no such thing as collective salvation.

There is no such thing as

the redemptive power of the whole.

There is no such thing.

I mean, it's amazing to me the people who argue faith versus works over and over and over and over and over and over again will actually be the same people who are fighting for social justice.

That's an affront to God.

When someone says there is no forgiveness for this sin which you didn't commit, commit.

You're asking

to bow down to an altar of a false God.

And

I stand by what I said 11 years ago on social justice.

It is something that has been misconstrued.

It started out as a good thing.

I think started out as a good thing.

Some people still are convinced that it means just help the poor, etc.

It does not mean that anymore.

And you need to know it and study it and get away from it.

When I say study it, you better hurry because all of our history, our dictionaries, everything

are being changed as we speak.

You need to keep a diary on what is true and what you know and do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity.

I want to say something to you real quick.

Geez, I don't have time.

I just, I want you to be here with me on July 2nd.

On July 2nd, we are going to be doing something that I think is

very reminiscent of the 9-12 project show that we did.

And I want you to gather your friends, and

I want you to watch it with your family and your church.

It's very, very

important.

We are going to make it.

We are going to survive this,

but only if good men and women begin to stand up and stand together.

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James Lindsay, he is the author of Cynical Theories.

He's also the co-founder of New Discourses.

And he has been

causing quite a storm with some of his latest writings and tweets on the cult dynamic of wokeness.

You know of him because

he was

one of those guys that of the three scientists, including Helen Pluckrose, that put together these peer-reviewed scientific papers and showed that the peer review process was garbage if you use the right language.

He's taking it a step further now, not trying to dupe anybody.

He's just explaining why wokeness is a cult.

And he's here with us now to do that.

James, how are you?

I'm good.

How are you?

Well, I'm wondering how you think you're going to survive this.

One day at a time, I think.

Yeah.

So,

you know,

I've been following your tweets and been reading your articles on newdiscourses.com.

And you've come to the same conclusion that I have,

that this is absolutely a cult and a new religion

that everyone is

apparently jumping on the bandwagon for.

And I wanted you to take us through

your thinking on

cults.

And I think, what do you have?

Five different points on the cults.

and it starts with cult initiation.

So talk to me generally about what brought you here, and then let's get into the initiation.

Okay, so several years ago, like you said, the social justice movement, as it sometimes gets called, or wokeness, my colleagues and I noticed probably as early as 2013 that it's definitely got very religious undertones.

And in fact, in 2014, 15, and so on, we started to develop those ideas.

And in 2018, we started to go public with them.

So we spent some time really looking into it.

And so in early 2018, we did a talk, a public talk at Portland State University.

Is intersectionality a religion?

And we laid out some big parallels.

We talked about how, for those of you out there listening that have a theological background, it has an Augustinian framework under it.

It's based off of a very, you know, confessional model.

You have to confess your original sin of racism and oppression and all of this.

So we laid that out.

Then I wrote an article in late 2018 in great detail, very long, 15,000 words, explaining how it really is a religious movement.

And like all religions, certain heretical cults can spawn within them.

And so now we're facing what appears to be a very cult-like set of behaviors.

And like you said, I lay out three points that lead into a cult.

and then there's two more points that talk about what a cult looks like and how you get out of it.

And so the first stage coming into a cult is initiation.

The second stage is indoctrination.

And the third stage is reprogramming.

So just to kind of give the map there, it's a slow process.

It's gradual.

It's not like, you know, somebody snaps their fingers and now you're in a cult.

You don't like go to the grocery store, talk to the wrong person, and the next day, you know, you're wearing a funny uniform and and handing over your kids or something.

It's a slow process.

This has been a very slow process in our society, starting really with the PC movement.

So it doesn't necessarily start out bad, although I thought PC was pretty bad, but

it played on our better selves to be better.

And we have slowly been boiled here to the point to where now you can look at the world and say, how is this changing so fast?

This is

there's a lot of people now in this cult, right?

That's exactly right.

There are a lot of people who are either in the cult, probably somewhere between 5 and 10%

of the country is actually in the cult, which is that's a lot of people.

And it's

tens of millions of people.

And then there are many people beyond that who, you know, much like you would have like a, with a religion, you have people who are really into it, and then you have people who just kind of go to church sometimes, right?

So you have these social justice people who just kind of, you know, they know the language, they have the kind of, you know, the moral impulse, but they're not really studying it.

They're not deep into it.

And now those people who are closer to it, who had some of the ideas, who had taken up some of it, they're getting it full blast.

And what happens in that cult initiation?

Process is they start to full blast hit you with emotional vulnerability.

They try to make you feel emotionally vulnerable.

In this case, they're telling people, our whole society is racist.

Racism is terrible, and you're complicit in that.

You have helped everybody be racist.

You have made these terrible things, like, you know, these claims about how

black people

are being shot by police every day, which aren't true, but that's what they call their lived experience.

You're complicit in that.

That's what they tell people.

So it creates an opening of emotional vulnerability.

And the initiation process begins by creating and inflaming that vulnerable place and then sticking the cult doctrine in to make you feel better.

So you'll take it up.

So did we play into the initiation process in our own selves by allowing people to

say that the whole country is racist and

us kind of sitting here going, well, it's not, but I see their point on this and this.

Did we kind of ease the or grease the grease the rails here for them?

Yes and no.

I don't think it's really fair to say that we did too much of that, but I will stick a couple of institutions or maybe three

with

a lot of blame on this because

they didn't try to say, okay, I see your point.

Let's be reasonable.

It's not.

But they didn't do that kind of like, let me hear you out perspective, which I think is totally fair and reasonable from anybody.

You have our universities, you have

schools, and you have a lot of the, as

it often gets phrased, mainstream journalism, the media, that have all taken this stuff on whole hog.

The media did it because it gets clicks.

Hot takes get clicks.

They get views.

They get ratings.

Lots of people pay attention.

So it's kind of a perverse incentive there.

The education program and the universities did it, however, because first they didn't have the gut to stand up to this crackpot theory that it all comes from.

I've dedicated the last several years of my life to studying this crackpot theory under this cult, and they didn't stand up to it when they should have.

They didn't stop it when it was rising up.

The last time anybody really tried to fight these ideas in what's called critical race theory in the academic literature was in the 1990s.

They just kind of folded it, let it go because they didn't want to be called racist.

That's basically how this thing works:

it doesn't really have any arguments.

Its cases are very weak.

It does have a point each time.

It makes a point.

And people say, oh, I see how you see that.

Let's hear about it.

But it's really like the worst possible way to analyze it.

And then all these academics didn't stand up to it because they would get called racist.

And then there maybe would be a department review.

The next thing you know, we had a Supreme Court case and it started installing these diversity offices, which gave it administrative power.

And the universities basically just folded.

And what happens in the university five to ten years later happens in culture.

So here we are, you know, five to ten years, twenty years later, and it's everywhere.

So when we're going through the initiation stage, the reason why we're susceptible to this is because we do want to do the right thing.

Like, you know, when somebody says, look, you're on the side of racists.

Nobody wants to be on the side of racists.

And you can't even understand how you're racist.

Just help us dismantle the system.

We're building a better world here.

That appeals to us, and so that's we kind of can half-heartedly get into the front door like that.

That's exactly right.

And that's, I mean, I don't like to usually use words like this, but that's why this is actually an evil cult.

That's why I'd be, I would say, more of a cult than a religion.

And it's because it's playing upon people's best instincts to turn into something different.

It's telling you, no, we just want to get rid of racism.

But that's not true.

They write on almost every page of their literature that they want a radical overhaul of the whole system that gets rid of liberal freedoms they they say it explicitly they do not just want to get rid of racism because they believe the first pillar of this theory that's called critical race theory is that racism is the ordinary state of affairs in american society that's the first idea that they have so the only way to get rid of racism when they say we just want to get rid of racism is to completely tear down the entire system that we have back to the constitution and build a new new one that they've wanted to socially engineer for us.

And it's evil because they play on our best instincts.

They lie to us, and I mean that.

They lie to us about what the word racism means, what the word white supremacy means, and they manipulate our emotions.

They play upon our willingness to do the right thing, and then turn it into something completely different.

And I wish I was exaggerating.

And like you said, you know, nobody wants to be associated with racism.

So they have this cultural nuclear weapon that calling somebody a racist.

I mean, you look at any example you want.

Now there are so many.

You can't even pick one to just hone in on where people are losing their jobs because somebody on the internet called them racist.

So you can ruin somebody's life with one accusation of racism.

And then this cult tactic has ideas like white fragility, has this weird definition of racism, weird definition of anti-racism, so that if they call you a racist and you deny it, now all of a sudden that's proof that you're a racist.

That's literally a witch trial.

So, James, I'm going to come back.

I got to take a one-minute break for a sponsor, but

the other thing that they have going for them, you said they have a nuclear weapon.

The other nuclear weapon that they have is the media and culture.

Nobody wants to be an outsider.

Everybody wants to be in the Cool Kid Club.

And if they call you a racist, you're way on the outs of all of society.

But then also, there's this reward that you're in the Cool Kids Club

if you're with them.

And that's what the media provides, I think.

That's what Hollywood provides.

And

that is extraordinarily powerful as well.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

So I don't even know where to begin on this story.

So I'm going to ask the guy who's involved with this story to start us off.

Ben Dominich, he's the co-founder of The Federalist,

the podcast host for the Federalist Radio Hour.

And we want to talk about Google attempting to demonetize his website, The Federalist.

Ben, how are you?

I'm good.

In fact, I am talking to you wearing my Tacovas right now.

So I did not.

Are you really?

Yes, I really am wearing them.

They're really great boots, aren't they?

They really are.

They're great.

They're wonderful.

You know what isn't wonderful is

big tech and their animosity towards anyone who conflicts with the narrative.

Capitalize it.

And

in this case, it really does look like NBC News, irritated perhaps at our coverage of their

really,

I think, terrible behavior over the last several couple of years, not just

hiding the truth about Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein, but also, of course, their activity when it comes to the Russia collusion hoax.

And

more recently, they're pretending that these riots and violence playing out across America were in no way connected to the protests.

They attempted to come after us.

And I think that they really screwed up, Glenn, in a way that

is backfiring.

I know for a fact that the

top flight lobbyists at Google have been very active over the last twenty-four hours trying to prevent a crackdown from Capitol Hill.

And I think that we're going to continue to see this story play out over the coming weeks and months even in terms of questions about what Google did, what they were intending to do.

And in Oakland, it's a real canary in the coal mine moment of waking up the reality that these tech companies are going to come for all of us, and they are going to do so in ways that

really go after anyone who questions the narrative that they have about the world that we live in and the country that we love.

Ben, I tell you, I am preparing for the day that

the only way to reach me will be to go and type in the address, glennbeck.com or theblaze.com.

And even that is sketchy.

There will be no social media.

We will be demonetized everywhere.

And I think that day, Ben, could happen

a lot faster than we think.

Look how much change has come in just the last, what, eight weeks?

We're in an entirely different country talking about things that we wouldn't have even thought rational eight months ago, six months ago.

You know, Glenn, I

look across this country and I believe that we're in very much a cultural civil war.

And I mean, as you know,

my wife, Baby McCain, is the only pro-life, pro-gun woman employed by

any main channel other than Fox News that is allowed on TV during the daytime.

And I don't speak for her, but she has been really woken up by everything that we've gone through in these past several weeks.

And she has asked me repeatedly, you know,

what do you think this looks like?

Where do you think this is going?

Do you think it's going to even be possible to be someone who is pro-life or pro-gun on TV

outside of these institutions?

And I've just told her, no, I don't think so.

I think that we are headed towards a moment where you have to have the total institutional support of something that you've built, Glenn, or that I've built in the Federalists or that others have built that can be behind you 100%

because otherwise they will take you down, they will demonetize you, they will make it impossible to do your job because they hate you.

And it's, I mean,

we would like to have a situation where we could have a negotiation, where we could have a debate, where we could have a back and forth.

I mean, that's what we love as Americans who like debate.

And I know you love it, Glenn.

But that's not possible with a mob that wants to destroy you, that wants to erase you, that does not believe you should be allowed any platform for your ideas if they conflict with the narrative.

So tell me what you think here about the NBC News.

I don't even know what she was, a researcher or a reporter,

new from at NBC VC, thanks to FS Fake News and CCD Hate for their hard work and collaboration.

And what she was saluting was the fact that you and Zero Head would no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google Ads.

Who is this person?

Well, first of all, I've never heard of this person before.

She's a London-based journalist, and I do put that in quotes because

I don't believe that she was acting as a journalist here.

She was clearly

an activist.

She was an activist.

She was a platformist.

Yes.

And working with a small leftist organization in the UK that attempted to come after us.

And Glenn,

here's where I think they screwed up.

Here's the mistake they made.

I think that the gap of knowledge

across the pond, between America and the U.K.,

meant that they assumed we were some irrelevant blog that they could frame as being racist or unacceptable.

When in reality, as you know,

we are well-connected, well-respected in terms of the world of Washington, in terms of our coverage, with people like Molly Hemingway and Sean Davis and others.

And so we had members of Congress and senators reaching out to us immediately.

Ted Cruz sent a letter this morning demanding to have some clarity from Google about what's going on.

Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, and Marco Rubio are introducing legislation to crack down on Google this morning.

I think that this is a moment where we are going to have to come to grips with the fact that these are the most powerful entities controlling, as you said, an enormous percentage of the ad revenue, an enormous percentage of the conversation.

They are media companies, and they should be

as such.

Yes, they are the public square now.

This is the public square, and they control all of it.

And they said that their problem was with you, not any of your reporting, it was some of the comments made by people reading, which I want to know: have they demonetized YouTube?

Have they demonetized Facebook or Twitter?

Because,

Glenn, those are the most toxic comment fields that you can find.

Exactly right.

We took our comments section down for the moment because of this demonetization threat.

Comments will be back.

I am not going to let them bully us out of having those.

Personally, I don't really wade into comments.

I think that they're a little crazy, but people blow off some steam there.

But my attitude is we should not have a situation where only people who are advocating for, again, a questioning of their narrative, this leftist narrative about what we're going through, they're the ones who have to respond for their comments.

Not the New York Times, not the Washington Post, not Mediite, not YouTube, not any of these other places that they are perfectly comfortable with, Glenn.

And to me, this is a sign of how they will utilize their lackadaisical approach to rules where they just say, oh, well,

if you are center-right, then we're going to go down chapter and verse.

We're going to look through all these rules to find a way to screw you, to come after you.

But if you are on the right side of the narrative, oh, that's fine.

That's just, you know, that's just debate.

We're letting that happen among your users.

It's ridiculous, Glenn.

It can't be allowed to continue.

And as you said, they have a monopoly on the public square at this point.

It's as as if you had big paper, you know, like the inability to print anything other than what they allow.

Right.

So the organization that went after you was started by

Imran.

I have no idea.

Gosh, I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Anyway,

he's a trustee of victim support, which sounds wonderful.

Sits on the steering committee for the Commission of Countering Extremism, the pilot task force there in London, and that's wonderful.

He also authored the book The New Serfdom: The Triumph of Conservative Ideas and How to Defeat Them.

He wrote that with a Labour Party MP, also a political advisor to the Labour Party.

They also have big, high-profile supporters, such as the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is not an extremist

at all.

You have

one one of the secretary of the Labor Party.

You have several Labor Party activists, former speechwriter for Gordon Brown.

This is a far, far-left organization.

I'm wondering where they get their money, but it sounds to me

as if

this is a London version of Media Matters that

is doing exactly the same thing.

And they're hammering places like Google, and Google is listening to them.

I mean, one of the things that we have to be mindful of here, Glenn, is that

these big tech companies,

as many smart people as they employ, they're not very bright when it comes to these political matters.

And in this case, I think that they were easily manipulated.

by a bunch of lefties who decided to, you know, en masse, report a bunch of our comments or other content that we had and basically say,

why do you have any ads on this site?

Now, I will say, Google Ads is not our primary source of revenue, thank Lord.

And so, you know, even if we had lost them, we would be fine.

But it's the sort of thing where it's more about

the branding involved of saying, you know,

we're going to brand these folks as unacceptable for any ads to run.

And

the left understands how to manipulate this scenario.

They understand how to go into these

ad components, these communications shops, and put some things in front of them and say, why are you running ads on this person's site or that person's site?

And from my perspective, the real situation here is we have the resources to fight back, but others do not.

There are tons of people out there, you know, small businesses and small blogs and individuals, professors and the like, who could be demonetized by this, and they would not have the ability to get on the phone with Ted Cruz and say we're going to fight back.

And that's the thing that I think we have to be really concerned about because that's going to continue.

The left no longer believes in free speech.

They have ditched the old values of the ACLU.

They have ditched the Bill Maher, the Howard Stern of the 1990s.

They have thrown them aside.

They want to be plastic.

They're coming after Howard Stern.

Yeah, I know.

It's crazy.

It's insane.

Ben, thank you so much.

And anything that we can do to support you guys at the Federalists, we're all in this boat together.

You just let us know, Ben.

We stand behind you 100%.

Thank you.

Thank you, Glenn.

I truly appreciate it.

God bless you.

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