The Woke Firings Begin | Guests: James Lindsay & Ben Domenech | 6/17/20

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I mean,

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But I want to start...

No, no, no.

Not with the French.

Not with the freaking French and what the French are doing right now.

Because I think

I may have an ambulance.

I call the ambulance.

My head might explode on the news of the French today.

I know you haven't heard it yet, but I have.

But I don't want to start there.

I want to start with something.

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I thought, Sarah, you were going to start with the Elon Omar bit because I have Elon Omar news.

But

apparently, no, no, no, no.

No, Sarah.

Elon O'Marr.

Elon O'Mar.

No, Sarah, stop.

Elon O'Mar.

Stop.

I was actually, stop.

I was actually complimenting you for not doing it because you know what i was going to talk about yesterday and i want to be

i know this is going to look elon omar i believe is a grave threat to our country

but yesterday uh her father died and i didn't say anything about it and i regretted it all night um even though we have our differences I know what it's like to lose a father and that is really, really hard.

And we're still human beings.

and uh i know what it what an impact it is to lose your father

um

but as if that wasn't bad enough she also lost her father-in-law at the same time

and i can't imagine what it's like losing both of them uh at the same time

and i don't know what to do i

I was going to send a bouquet of flowers, and then I thought, do I send two bouquets?

Because if I only send one, do I look cheap, you know?

And then I thought of what her life is going to be like.

She has to attend both funerals.

And God only knows, you're under enough stress when your father dies.

But then your father-in-law, and what's worse, it's her ex-father-in-law.

So she's got to go to the funeral for her ex-father-in-law.

And

her ex-husband is going to be there.

I mean, imagine the tension.

And can she go with somebody else?

Could she bring like her brother, you know, just to be there to comfort her with the ex-father-in-law?

Or should that just be her ex-husband that comforts her there at that funeral?

I don't know.

I don't know.

But what a coincidence and a really

horrible, horrible thing to lose both your

father and your father-in-law in the same day.

And

I mean, I don't know Somali tradition.

Do you have two graves?

Or do you...

Or is it just two headstones?

Ilanomar.

Stop.

That was insensitive and absolutely wrong.

I can't believe that.

I should be banned from all airwaves and

really run into the mountain.

Oh, I'm already here.

So I'm okay.

By the way, let me just start with the French president, Emmanuel Macron.

Macron announced yesterday, quote, we will be inflexible when it comes to tackling racism, anti-Semitism, and discrimination.

And new strong decisions will be made to reinforce the equality of chances.

But this noble fight is perverted when it turns into communitarianism

and into false rewriting of history.

This is unacceptable.

I will tell you very clearly tonight, my dear fellow citizens, the Republic will not erase any trace or any name from its history.

It will not forget any of its deeds or take down any statues.

Now, I'd just like to point out, this is France, the world's pansies.

They're taking a stand.

Good heavens, American men, where have you gone?

France is shaming us.

France,

France,

they'll surrender to a squirt gun.

They're taking a stand.

Meanwhile, in California,

they're removing finally, finally, the statue of Columbus and Queen Isabella from the rotunda of the Capitol.

It's only taken them like 138 years.

That thing has just been screaming racism for 138 years, and they're just getting around.

Well, I want you to know, California, I still don't forgive you.

I still don't forget.

You take down that racist statue from your retunda.

You go ahead and erase what those

white

people

in

Spain did,

okay?

What those Spaniards, which were very what you erase,

you can erase it, but you will never erase my memory of your racist erasing of racism.

I'll tell you that right now.

It's a good thing Mac Ron wasn't around here, because he would.

Well, he'd actually

no, he wouldn't be on your side.

Gosh, darn it.

Whoever thought we would look at a French president and go, well, he's got balls.

Stu, welcome to the program.

I notice you're unusually quiet.

Don't want to get involved on any of this, do you?

Sounds like a terrible idea, yes.

Yeah.

So I'd like to invite you in on this one.

PepsiCo has just announced that Aunt Jemima is racist.

And they are going to no longer, well, they're going to make the syrup.

They're just going to put it into, I don't know, maybe maybe a maybe a bottle shaped like me.

And you can pour your syrup out of my head.

Maybe.

And I would take that.

Colonel Sanders, I have been saying to KFC, I am Colonel Sanders.

Look at me for the love of Pete.

You are.

You put a bucket in my hand and a white suit and a little bolo tie, and I am Colonel Sanders.

And I love fried chicken.

But they won't let me be the spokesperson.

So I'm offering my services to PepsiCo

that they can make a syrup bottle in my shape.

There's a lot of room for syrup.

And I know it's like the jumbo family side.

It's only available at Costco, for sure.

Right.

Right.

And you can pour the syrup right out of my head.

There you go.

And that's great.

I care about that.

So I'm glad that people.

Is Pepsi just

understanding this?

Or like they've had this product for a very long time.

It was created in 1889.

So I don't know.

I would say by today's standards, literally everyone on the planet

who was on the planet in 1889 was probably racist by today's standards.

So any product from those days

would be something we'd have to eliminate right away.

Maybe we should just start deleting and changing all the names of every product every two or three years.

That way we never run into this problem again.

Look, well, I don't think we should name it after anybody.

We shouldn't name anything after anybody or build any statue unless they're,

you know, unless they're BLM activists.

You know?

Right.

And I'm sure the BLM activists would be fine having syrup poured out of their head, you know, and help Pepsi sell products.

I'm sure they would be happy with that.

Oh, I'm sure they would.

I just can't understand the reaction to this.

The idea that a product that's been around since 1889 needs to go away now because

people are protesting someone who was murdered by a police officer.

Like,

these things don't connect.

They're removing a statue.

Have you seen the statue of Isabella and Columbus?

Yeah.

It's enormous.

It's enormous.

Incredible.

You know, I have to tell you, I would love to tell you the story of the Capitol in Washington, D.C., and something, a story that most people don't know.

But I honestly thought about it today.

When I read that, I thought about telling that story.

I'm like, oh, you want,

I'm never going to tell that story.

I'm never going to tell that story because

it will absolutely move,

it will move us into

people will say the Washington, D.C.

Capitol needs to be changed.

What?

Yeah, no, it's true.

Did you see that?

They're just changing everything.

Did you see the situation with Bob Odenkirk and David Cross,

the two comedians?

I love these guys.

Yeah.

They hate me, but I love them.

Mr.

Show with Bob and David was on HBO back in the 90s.

The greatest sketch comedy show of all time, in my opinion.

Of all time.

In the correct opinion.

And they brought it back for Netflix for a few episodes.

By the way, by the way, Stu will be rounding anybody up and chopping their heads off if you disagree with that.

Anything.

We have a little different standards than the

regular protesters.

We're just about movies, entertainment, and comedy.

These are the sorts of things that we can implement in our new autonomous zone that we're putting together.

So there is

a sketch comedy show called Mr.

Show with Bob and David.

They brought it back on Netflix in 2015 for like three or four episodes.

It's kind of like a throwback to it.

And in one of the sketches, and it's funny how fast these things turn, but in one of the sketches, there is a parody of basically like a libertarian YouTuber.

Remember, this was a thing for a while where like libertarian YouTubers would go out by police and they would film themselves and they would kind of be antagonistic and keep saying things like, Look, it's my right.

If you, you know, you have no right to ask me what my name is, and you have no right to ask me to roll my window down, and you have no right to take my documents.

I'm a free citizen.

State law says, you know, like that whole thing.

So they're parodying that phenomenon, which is funny because to parody that phenomenon, you have to make the police officers look really nice and understanding, which is the exact opposite of how they are portrayed today by entertainment.

But so they go through this whole sketch, and he goes through like a

checkpoint, a DUI checkpoint.

And he keeps trying to antagonize the cop, and the cop's just like, you didn't do anything wrong.

Like, he's totally playing along and not caring about what all of these crazy things he's trying to antagonize him into.

He wants to get himself filmed being a victim of police brutality and can't get it to happen, is essentially the sketch.

So he goes through like five or six times.

Finally, on the last time, he decides to put on blackface and go through as a black man, right?

And as he goes through, then the white cop sees him, comes over, he's like, is this the guy that's been coming through all these times?

And starts spraying him with pepper spray and drags him out of the car and beats him up on the ground.

Now, there's a bunch of points being made, and it's also just funny, but one of the very fair points you could make from the sketch is that he's saying

black people get treated worse by cops than white people.

Yeah.

Right.

And white cops are the ones doing it, which is essentially exactly what Black Lives Matter is saying today, right?

Like, it's exactly their point.

Netflix has announced because David Cross is wearing blackface in the sketch, they're deleting the sketch from the series.

Like, wait, he's making this

better.

I mean, that's better.

Look,

those guys are so left.

You know, they are, they're always lecturing.

And these guys will say, oh, well, they're just canceling that sketch.

We apologize for that sketch.

We shouldn't have done that sketch.

Now they're pretty pissed off.

And they'll actually mean it.

They're pretty pissed off about it, Bob and David.

They're like, we made these decisions intentionally.

We did not.

Good for you.

Like, they stood up for their material, which they should.

Again, like, what is the problem with blackface?

It's not the paint, right?

It's not the makeup color.

The problem with blackface is the motivation behind it.

I brought up an example actually last night on Stu Does America, Glenn, and it was you were the one that made me think of it.

It's because I remember going to your house and watching you burn American flags.

And it's like, holy crap, like, I don't want to burn American flags.

That's a terrible thing.

That's against America.

We don't want that to happen.

I want to cancel you for doing that.

Well, when you actually, it's not the burning of the flag that's the problem, it's the motivation behind the act.

When you look at the motivation behind the act, you would say, Glenn, it was an official retirement ceremony of a flag done with military and police from around your area.

Do you remember the ceremony?

Do you remember what I'm talking about?

No, no,

we had the Connecticut Police Honor Guard.

Yeah.

And their job, part of their job, is doing ceremonial retirements of flags.

And so we looked it up and did exactly what we were supposed to do.

This is in the days before Facebook and social media, so nobody's ever seen it

except the people that were there.

And it was a very, I actually have thought about doing it this

year

at 4th of July and do carry it on Facebook.

Yeah.

Because I don't think people have seen it.

And I think it is very respectful.

It makes you feel a little weird, though.

I mean, you're seeing a flag burn, but then you realize because you're an adult, you think it through and you say, well, this is actually the appropriate ceremony and how the Honor Guard does it.

It's the same thing with this sketch.

Blackface, yes, it can be used for 100 million bad reasons.

And of course, you should never do it because you're definitely going to get fired.

But the motivation was to parody racism.

It was to degrade racism.

Doesn't that even count?

We're not even adults enough to understand the motivation behind a message.

It's pathetic, is it not?

Yeah, it is.

It is.

We're going to get to a lot of things that are going on today, including we have

James Lindsay on with us here in just a little while.

If you don't know who he is, he's one of the three scientists that,

you know, they did those fake

reports and then got them to be peer-reviewed.

And they were all like, you know,

they just took Mein Kampf and put white people instead of Jews, and it was peer-reviewed and it was fine.

These guys are real rebels.

They're lefties,

but not communists, not Marxists.

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He is going to talk about the cult

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I have read his work on it, and it is pretty powerful.

I don't know how he's expecting to

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They'll have him up at the guillotine 15 minutes into his talk with me today.

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We're glad you're listening today.

Thank you so much.

Did you hear the story of the guy in California that was just driving down the street and he was in the California gas and electric truck or whatever the hell it is?

And he has his hand out and he's cracking his knuckles.

And as he's cracking his first knuckle,

he kind of makes the peace sign or the okay sign, which we all know is racist, which is not racist, which was, it was, it was started as a meme, and it was started by, wasn't it started by like 4chan people that were making fun and saying, let's try to make everybody believe?

Yep.

So it's not even racist.

It was a, it was,

he was trying to show what sheep

Americans are.

Yeah.

So he's cracking his knuckles.

Well, somebody takes a picture of it and said, oh my gosh, look at this racist

making this racist hand sign.

Why would you,

I mean, this.

Anyway, he loses his job.

He then

has the person

who wrote this said, I didn't mean for him to lose his job.

I mean,

I may have been wrong about that.

And he says, you were wrong about about it.

I was cracking my knuckles.

Now he's a Hispanic guy.

So the person that filed the, not even the complaint, just social media, hey, what's going on?

That person has said, no, I was wrong.

I was wrong.

It wasn't a racist thing.

The gas company will not hire him back.

He wants his job back.

I don't know why he wants his job back.

We called to see if he ever would get his job back, and they doubled down.

The first national interview with him is coming up on tomorrow's program.

You don't want to miss it.

It's an unbelievable story, but this is happening everywhere.

Reagan S.

Q Day, who is a turning point USA ambassador, also a Christian,

she made a video and she was talking about why BLM

not a Christian movement.

This is not the way Christ would want us to do things.

Well, my gosh, somebody in her office saw how offensive that was.

And within 15 minutes, she lost her job.

We have Reagan on the phone with us.

Hello, Reagan.

How are you?

Hi, I'm great.

How are you?

Good.

So, Reagan, were you named after Ronald Reagan?

You know, it's funny.

My nickname growing up was Reaganomics.

My mom called me that, and I still answer to it to this day.

I don't know what she named me after, but my nickname definitely is attributed to him.

Okay.

So, Reagan, what did you say that was so horrible?

And

Sarah, please be ready on the edit button.

Go ahead.

Well, you know, I was really, Mr.

Beck, I was addressing the evangelical church.

Seeing the way Christian pastors and leaders have been just twisting the true gospel of the Bible and making this social gospel narrative

was really upsetting and sad to me because I feel like it's very misleading to believers.

And so I posted a video discussing the Black Lives Matter organization, what it stands for, and why Christians should be focusing on the gospel, which ultimately reconciles hearts and fixes the sin problem of racism,

rather than calling for action and

focusing on racial reconciliation and things that are not of Christ.

Well, there's no reconciliation.

With BLM and this movement, there is no racial recognition.

There is beg for forgiveness, but you can't really even know what you're sorry for because you don't know what you're guilty for because you're white.

And you have to go through them for forgiveness.

And there is no forgiveness, as I just pointed out.

The problem with that is the only one that can truly grant forgiveness is God.

You're coming in because you're white with original sin.

Well, that goes against,

we don't hold people responsible for what their fathers or their great-grandfathers did at any time.

God doesn't hold people responsible.

He holds you as an individual and never a collective.

This social justice garbage that is being shoveled by many of our churches is just that garbage and an affront to God.

When man declares there's an original sin that you have to pay for because of what somebody else did 150 years ago, and there is no real forgiveness for you because you're white or black or yellow or orange, it doesn't matter, that's an affront to God.

And I don't know why churches aren't getting this.

Yeah, I definitely agree.

And I think too, Mr.

Beck, there has been a Trojan horse of social justice within the church for a very long time.

And I think, you know, after the George Floyd incident, things have come to their peak.

And so the church is kind of in a place where if they don't address this, it would be an injustice to congregants, it would appear.

But it's a shame really that the church has drifted so far from teaching theology that they have to, you know, as scripture says, tickle the ears of those willing to listen.

And they have to call for worldly virtuousness over spiritual righteousness.

And it's just a dangerous line to walk.

I think you have a congregation of people who come to church on Sunday to hear the gospel and walk away in worship, but many church leaders are sharing a motivational speech with scripture sprinkled in so that congregants walk away with a worldly call to action, which ultimately does not save.

So, the reaction when you posted this,

you didn't think you'd get any blowback or did you?

I don't think I expected to get as much as I got.

Most of my following on social media is Christian conservatives who very much

hold the same beliefs I do.

So I really was speaking to them.

I did not expect it.

You know, obviously social media reaches everyone, but I didn't expect it to blow up the way that it did.

And so I mean, I got backlash,

excuse me, I got backlash probably for a solid 24 to 48 hours, and it just

was a lot.

But I think it's something people needed to hear.

So

I haven't taken it down.

You lost your job because somebody in your office saw this post and said you are a racist and need to be terminated.

And

within 15 minutes, I'm told that you were in the office of the boss and they were talking about

you and your job.

True?

Well, so it was actually an ex-employee, so someone that I actually used to work with.

And she made a post and called me racist, homophobic, and she tagged my employer.

Um so of course then, you know, the mob on social media knows where I work now.

And so they made calls in to the company, made death threats to the owners, and um it I'm I don't really know how bad it was.

I know they had to get law enforcement involved to patrol the area and protect the building.

Um and and it just it just blows my mind that that's that's the the way we're going.

So when you were brought in and you heard this, I know you didn't want anything to happen to anybody else.

Were they angry with you or what was their reaction?

Was it like we got to get the mob off our back?

Well, I think they were so I first they first called me because I've been working ho at home due to all the COVID regulations.

And so they called me and said,

you know, it's been brought to our attention about this social media post.

We're going to put you on paid suspension until we complete an investigation.

And so I kind of was just all day, you

heart rate kind of going high and not really sure what to expect.

And then by 5 p.m.

that day, they called me back and said, you know, due to the measures we've had to take, we've come to the conclusion we have to terminate your employment.

And I think it was something that they didn't want to do.

And I could kind of hear that in their voice, but it was one of those things that felt like their hands were tied.

They said you resigned.

Yes, they did.

And that's a whole other thing.

On the phone, they offered me the option to resign.

And I said, you know, I appreciate that option.

And I guess they took that as a commitment.

And so, and actually, an hour later, I called back and said, you know, I've made my decision.

I'd prefer to be terminated.

But my separation notice does not say that.

Right, right.

So would you do it again?

Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

You know, I've kind of

the way things have gone down, you know, I feel like, and I don't have hard feelings towards the company I worked for at all I mean they have always been wonderful in taking care of me but I do feel like this could have gone a completely different way I feel like they they they could have fired me and done what they did or they could have protected me and you know pressed charges on those making threats because those really were the people in the wrong

and so you know

Looking back, it's like I don't think I wouldn't change anything I did.

I said what I said.

I still stand by what I said to this day.

And

if an employer

is willing to let me go because of something I posted not on company time,

not related to the company,

it just kind of has solidified for me the fact that

it's not worth my time.

Reagan,

you are,

I think, the first person I've talked to

that

has actually

lived the scripture of

he who will lose his life for my sake will gain his life.

You're the first person that I think I've talked to, Stu correct me if I'm wrong, that has actually fit that scripture.

And you've had the bravery enough, you've been brave enough to stand up against the mob and say,

I'm sorry, but the Lord would say this.

And that is a big deal.

There's a lot of cowards out there, many of us.

And I, you know, I have been pushed to the wall, but I have not been pushed to the wall like even you have,

I don't think.

Nobody's threatening.

Well, no, I take that back.

Anyway, but you really fit that scripture.

And congratulations.

Congratulations.

Keep it up.

Thank you.

You bet.

The whole time all this was going on, I just kept thinking of John 15, where Jesus said, if the world hates you, know that it hated me before it hated you.

And as Christians, we're

expected to have persecution.

We're guaranteed persecution, as a matter of fact.

So, you know, the worldly reaction isn't really a surprise to me.

I think what was a surprise to me were the number of people that I knew and grew up with who said they were Christians and who have, you know, studied scripture and I've been to church with them and they still, they have fallen for this social justice gospel.

Yeah.

Reagan, thank you very much.

Reagan SQ Day, I will tell you the same thing that I said in 2000, I think, nine.

If you're going to a church and they're talking about social justice,

you need to do one of two things.

Either run for your life

or

make your first stop, your pastor's office or your priest's office and say, what do you mean by social justice?

There is no such thing as collective salvation.

There is no such thing as

the redemptive power of the whole.

There is no such thing.

I mean, it's amazing to me that people who argue faith versus works over and over and over and over and over and over again will actually be the same people who are fighting for social justice.

That's an affront to God.

When someone says there is no forgiveness for this sin which you didn't commit

you're asking to be to bow down to an altar of a false god

and

I stand by what I said 11 years ago on social justice

it is

it is something that has been misconstrued it started out as a good thing I think started out as a good thing some people still are convinced that it means just help the poor, etc.

It does not mean that anymore.

And you need to know it and study it and get away from it.

When I say study it, you better hurry because all of our history, our dictionaries, everything

are being changed as we speak.

You need to keep a diary on what is true and what you know, and do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity.

I want to say something to you real quick.

Geez, I don't have time.

I just want you to be here with me on July 2nd.

On July 2nd, we are going to be doing something that I think is

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And I want you to gather your friends, and

I want you to watch it with your family and your church.

It's very, very important.

We are going to make it.

We are going to survive this, but only if good men and women begin to stand up and stand together.

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James Lindsay, he is the author of Cynical Theories.

He's also the co-founder of New Discourses.

And he has been

causing quite a storm with some of his latest writings and tweets on the cult dynamic of wokeness.

You know of him because

he was

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He's taking it a step further now, not trying to dupe anybody.

He's just explaining why wokeness is a cult, and he's here with us now to do that.

James, how are you?

I'm good.

How are you?

Well, I'm wondering how you think you're going to survive this

one day at a time, I think.

Yeah.

So,

you know,

I've been following your tweets and been reading your articles on newdiscourses.com.

And you've come to the same conclusion that I have,

that this is absolutely a cult and a new religion

that everyone is apparently jumping on the bandwagon for.

And I wanted you to take us through

your thinking on

cults.

And I think, what do you have?

Five different points on the cults.

And it starts with cult initiation.

So talk to me generally about what brought you here, and then let's get into the initiation.

Okay, so several years ago, like you said, the social justice movement, as it sometimes gets called, or wokeness, my colleagues and I noticed probably as early as 2013 that it's definitely got very religious undertones.

And in fact, in 2014, 15, and and so on, we started to develop those ideas.

And in 2018, we started to go public with them.

So we spent some time really looking into it.

And so in early 2018, we did a talk, a public talk at Portland State University.

Is intersectionality a religion?

And we laid out some big parallels.

We talked about how, for those of you out there listening that have a theological background, it has an Augustinian framework under it.

It's based off of a very confessional model.

You have to confess your original sin of racism racism and oppression and all of this.

So we laid that out.

Then I wrote an article in late 2018 in great detail, very long, 15,000 words, explaining how it really is a religious movement.

And like all religions, certain heretical cults can spawn within them.

And so now we're facing what appears to be a very cult-like set of behaviors.

And like you said, I lay out three points that lead into a cult, and then there's two more points that talk about what a cult looks like and how you get out of it.

And so the first stage coming into a cult is initiation.

The second stage is indoctrination, and the third stage is reprogramming.

So just to kind of give the map there.

It's a slow process.

It's gradual.

It's not like, you know, somebody snaps their fingers and now you're in a cult.

You don't like go to the grocery store, talk to the wrong person, and the next day, you know, you're wearing a funny uniform and handing over your kids or something.

It's a slow process.

This has been a very slow process in our society, starting really with the PC movement.

So it doesn't necessarily start out bad, although I thought PC was pretty bad, but

it played on our better selves to be better.

And we have slowly been boiled here to the point to where now you can look at the world and say, How is this changing so fast?

This is

there's a lot of people now in this cult, right?

That's exactly right.

There are a lot of people who are either in the cult, probably somewhere between five and ten percent of the country is actually, you know, in the cult, which is that's a lot of people.

I mean, that's

tens of millions of people.

And then there are many people beyond that who, you know, much like you would have like a with a religion, you have people who are really into it, and then you have people who just kind of go to church sometimes, right?

So you have these social justice people who just kind of, you know, they know the language, they have the kind of, you know, the moral impulse, but they're not really studying it.

They're not deep into it.

And now those people who are closer to it, who had some of the ideas, who had taken up some of it, they're getting it full blast.

And what happens in that cult initiation process is they start to full blast hit you with emotional vulnerability.

They try to make you feel emotionally vulnerable.

In this case, they're telling people our whole society is racist.

Racism is terrible, and you're complicit in that.

You have helped everybody be racist.

You have made these terrible things, like, you know, these claims about how

black people

are being shot by police every day, which aren't true, but that's what they call their lived experience.

You're complicit in that.

That's what they tell people.

So it creates an opening of emotional vulnerability.

And the initiation process begins by creating and inflaming that vulnerable place and then sticking the cult doctrine in to make you feel better.

So you'll take it up.

So did we play into the initiation process in our own selves by allowing people to

say that the whole country is racist and

us kind of sitting here going, well, it's not, but I see their point on this and this.

Did we kind of ease the the or grease the grease the rails here for them?

Yes and no.

I don't think it's really fair to say that we did too much of that, but I will stick a couple of institutions or maybe three

with

a lot of blame on this because they didn't they didn't try to say, okay, I see your point.

Let's be reasonable.

It's not.

But they didn't do that kind of like, let me hear you out perspective, which I think is totally fair and reasonable from anybody.

You have our universities, you have our

schools, and you have a lot of the, as you know, it often gets phrased, mainstream journalism, the media, that have all taken this stuff on whole hog.

The media did it because it gets clicks.

Hot takes get clicks.

They get views.

They get ratings.

Lots of people pay attention.

So it's kind of a perverse incentive there.

The education program and the universities did it, however, because first, they didn't have the guts to stand up to this crackpot theory that it all comes from.

I've dedicated the last several years of my life to studying this crackpot theory under this cult, and they didn't stand up to it when they should have.

They didn't stop it when it was rising up.

The last time anybody really tried to fight these ideas in what's called critical race theory in the academic literature was in the 1990s.

They just kind of folded it, let it go, because they didn't want to be called racist.

That's basically how this thing works, is it doesn't really have any arguments.

Its cases are very weak.

It does have a point each time.

It makes a point.

And people say, oh, I see how you see that.

Let's hear about it.

But it's really like the worst possible way to analyze it.

And then all these academics didn't stand up to it because they would get called racist.

And then there maybe would be a department review.

The next thing you know, We had a Supreme Court case and it started installing these diversity offices, which gave it administrative power.

And the universities basically just folded.

And what happens in the university five to ten years later happens in culture.

So here we are, you know, five to ten years, twenty years later, and it's everywhere.

So when we're going through the initiation stage, the reason why we're susceptible to this is because we do want to do the right thing.

Like, you know, when somebody says, look, you're on the side of racist.

Nobody wants to be on the side of racists.

And you can't even understand how you're racist.

Just help us dismantle the system.

We're building a better world here.

That appeals to us.

And so that's we kind of can half-heartedly get into the front door like that.

That's exactly right.

And that's, I mean, I don't like to usually use words like this, but that's why this is actually an evil cult.

That's why I'd be, I would say, more of a cult than a religion.

And it's because it's playing upon people's best instincts to turn into something different.

It's telling you, no, we just want to get rid of racism.

But that's not true.

They write on almost every page of their literature that they want a radical overhaul of the whole system that gets rid of liberal freedoms.

They say it explicitly.

They do not just want to get rid of racism because they believe the first pillar of this theory that's called critical race theory is that racism is the ordinary state of affairs in American society.

That's the first idea that they have.

So the only way to get rid of racism, when they say we just want to get rid of racism, is to completely tear down the entire system that we have back to the Constitution and build a new one that they've wanted to socially engineer for us.

And it's evil because they play on our best instincts.

They lie to us, and I mean that.

They lie to us about what the word racism means, what the word white supremacy means, and they manipulate our emotions.

They play upon our willingness to do the right thing and then turn it into something completely different.

And I wish I was exaggerating.

And like you said, you know, nobody wants to be associated with racism.

So they have this cultural nuclear weapon that calling somebody a racist.

I mean, you look at any example you want.

Now there are so many.

You can't even pick one to just hone in on where people are losing their jobs because somebody on the internet called them racist.

So you can ruin somebody's life with one accusation of racism.

And then this cult tactic has ideas like white fragility, has this weird definition of racism, weird definition of anti-racism, so that if they call you a racist and you deny it, now all of a sudden that's proof that you're a racist.

That's literally a witch trial.

So James, I'm going to come back.

I got to take a one-minute break for a sponsor.

But

the other thing that they have going for them, you said they have a nuclear weapon.

The other nuclear weapon that they have is the media and culture.

Nobody wants to be an outsider.

Everybody wants to be in the Cool Kid Club.

And if they call you a racist, you're way on the outs of all of society.

But then also, there's this reward that you're in the Cool Kids Club

if you're with them.

And that's what the media provides, I think.

That's what Hollywood provides.

And

that is extraordinarily powerful as well.

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So James Lindsay is with us.

And

James, we were talking about first the initiation, this that first thing to get you in.

And then

they

have you make a few other little steps

and start separating you from the trust of any kind of outside influences.

And then we get into full cult indoctrination.

Tell me about that step.

Yeah, so that's exactly what you were saying right before the break, where you said that, you know, the media creates this cool kids' club.

And

the culture around this kind of leftist culture that's developed has been very exclusive for a long time.

You know, there were articles a few years ago, I remember, where it said you couldn't hang out with your left-wing friends and be comfortable.

And these were written by left-wing people who were scared that this was a bad sign, as they were correct, because maybe you ate the wrong kind of hamburger, and somebody is just having to tell you, oh, it's not organic beef, or oh, it's not this, or it's not that.

There's all this nitpicking, and they said, This is a really bad sign.

And so, what this is, is exactly what you were just describing: it's a separation away from people who think differently than the cult.

So, they initiate you by giving you these manipulations on your emotions, and then they give you the doctrine to fill in that space and make you feel a way away from that bad feeling of vulnerability.

And then they start to tell you that they also shower you with praise and acceptance.

Oh, you're one of us now.

You're, you know, welcome, welcome.

You know, you're woke.

You're on the right side of history.

They tell you all these good things.

Then they start to tell you, well, you need to not listen to other people.

Conservatives are literally Nazis.

Don't talk to conservatives.

They say things like that.

You can't read conservative sources.

If your parents say something racist, don't listen to your parents.

Call them out.

So they start to create separation from other people in your life who might have a moderating force or a moderating belief that might stop you from going further into the cult.

That's typically how cults work.

This is where there's another model of cults that's called the BITE model.

It's put together by a guy, Steve Hassan,

B-I-T-E.

And the letters, it's an acronym.

The letters all stand for something.

They're forms of control.

This is where the the indoctrination process involves behavior control, information control, thought control, and emotion control.

And that's where they really start to do this in the indoctrination program.

Meanwhile, they constantly get you to, quote, do the work or educate yourself.

You hear these phrases all the time now.

What they're telling you to do is go read their literature.

And now they have these huge apparatuses.

Every company I know of is making its employees read white fragility,

how to be an anti-racist, all of these books that are, I mean, I've read these books.

These things are

very much in the vein of pushing people in that direction.

And it's just one side of a story that's rather poorly argued in every case.

And it's their number one through five bestseller or top 10 bestseller books right now because every company, every agency, every everything is making everybody read them.

And so that's this stage.

They're indoctrinating you.

They're feeding you the literature of the cult while making sure you have access to no other sources to contradict it.

That's why I'm building newdiscourses.com is because I want to give people a fair but outside perspective.

Okay,

we'll talk to James.

The last step is cult reprogramming.

And then how do you get people out of this cult?

What does all of this mean?

You can find him at newdiscourses.com.

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Tonight at 9 o'clock, I'm going over the most dangerous cult in America.

And it's the same cult we're talking about now.

And our guest tonight is going to be Adam Carolla.

Based on just what he has said recently, I'm not going to bow down to anybody.

I am not

playing this game.

And, you know, when you look at what's happening, this is becoming a religion.

You are a sinner unless they say you're saved.

And if you don't bow down to their God,

you've got to be destroyed.

You're part of the evil that is going on.

And it's becoming very, very dangerous.

Now, we've been talking about the steps on getting you into this cult with cult initiation,

and then there's cult indoctrination, and then cult reprogramming.

And

this is really dangerous

because this goes beyond just saying, you know, you've got to say the right thing and don't say, you know, don't engage in wrong think.

But this actually goes now right deep into Marx.

Am I correct on that, James?

You are, actually.

That is where if you really trace this back, it's evolved.

It's much different.

You mentioned that I've got the book Cynical Theories coming out in August.

And that book traces one element of how this has evolved, the postmodern element, which is also rooted in Marx.

And so it does.

This is what this is.

And so what people don't understand and why this is so dangerous about this woke cult is that it's not just some wacky kids on college campuses or their professors or people in the media saying weird things.

They actually have been taught to think in a different way, a completely different way.

And the way that works is by getting people

to do little steps.

You just mentioned the bowing down or taking the knee or whatever it is.

They get you to do little steps that increase your commitment, right?

So you say there was a thing that they just showed from the autonomous zone in Seattle where they gave a speech.

It went viral.

And the deal was, you know, you need to go find a black person and give them $10 or you're not really committed.

That was the statement that the guy made.

It's kind of like tithing.

But the thing is, is

it costs you money?

The guy even says, you won't want to do this.

And if you don't, it's because you're not committed.

It's a step to make you do something symbolic and costly to make you identify yourself as a person who believes in this cause.

And so they start to reprogram you.

They've already indoctrinated you with the ideas by making you read the literature and do the work.

And again, this is a process.

It doesn't just happen.

It's like the stages kind of blend together and mix together.

And then they get you to do costly things like humiliate yourself or

make public declarations, crying in front of a camera about how sorry you are, and then still keep firing you afterwards.

They make you give up your job.

They make you give money to causes or to people.

All these things are meant to build commitment to see yourself more and more and more as the kind of person who participates in this cult.

And like I said, the goal is to get you to think in a particular way that nobody really recognizes.

That's where the Marxism, that's where the neo-Marxism, and that's where the postmodernism come into this.

That's how

this is conflict theory.

This is Marx conflict theory, which I don't think

very many of us even know what that means.

So explain conflict theory.

Marx's, I mean, a lot of the people associate, they hear Marx and they just think communism, and that's the end of it.

Marx's most dangerous and most important idea was conflict theory.

What he believed is, and what he he pushed is, and what that spirit of Marxism that's pushing through to wokeness today is, is the belief that society has different social groups that have different social standing, poor, rich, capitalist versus proletariat, whatever it is, different ones, and they are automatically in conflict.

They're at war with one another for status and opportunity.

Now it's the matter is race and other factors of identity like sexuality and gender and so on.

But it was economics with Marx.

So this is that same idea that these different categories have different levels of status in society and they are automatically at war with one another.

So, one of the ways this cult makes you think is: I belong to an identity group.

In fact, I identify with an identity group, and that identity group is at war with the other identity groups.

Yeah, that's dark.

So,

James,

you go into

how to get people out of this cult, and you don't really

not a lot of hope there

for that.

It's really hard to get somebody out of a cult.

Luckily, like I said, most people aren't in the cult.

At the moment, a lot of people are really having their first sincere encounter with it.

And I keep hearing now letters I get from people where people are kind of taking it on.

They're reading it, and then they're saying, what is this?

You know, they read Robin DiAngelo's book, White Fragility.

It's very difficult.

I'm not going to call Robin D'Angelo any names, but it's very difficult to read that book.

I've read it a few times now and come away with all you can think is, wow, this woman is struggling with her own issues about race and has written it down and basically said everybody's racist because she can't deal with her own problem.

That's the feeling you get.

And so a lot of people are identifying that.

And they're kind of, I see a lot of people taking it up, but a lot of people rejecting it too, which means there is is hope.

There is the ability, in fact,

what usually gets people out of a cult when you can do it, especially when it's in a very early stage, is getting them to see the unfairness, getting them to see how inhumane it is, or getting them to see the contradictions.

A good example is white fragility.

When you read it the way that Robin D'Angelo puts it, it sounds all kind of nice, but something is off.

I hear that over and over again.

Something's off, but okay.

But if you highlight what's off, white fragility is a doctrine that says if you're accused of racism or white fragility itself and you say, no, that's not true, or you don't, you just say, I'm not going to do this, that's supposed to be you exhibiting white fragility, which means racism.

So when you boil that down, it means that white fragility says there are two kinds of people who have racial privilege in the world.

One of those is a racist who's willing to admit it, and the other is a racist who's too fragile to admit it.

So it basically says everybody's a racist.

And when people see that, they say this is crap.

When they see that no matter what you do once you're accused of racism, it just proves your racism.

People aren't stupid.

We're not stupid.

We know what a kangaroo court looks like.

We know what something bogus is.

And so that kind of thing can snap people out of it.

This is more than a kangaroo court.

This is

more like, I think, the Salem witch trials.

You know, if you're accused of being a witch and you say you're not a witch,

that's exactly what a witch would say.

What did you just say?

That is how history will write this chapter

of our time, is that this was a new,

you know, whether it's Salem or whether it's the European ones, which were much more deadly, this is a new period of witch trials in which

the witches are racists.

The time before was that you were in collusion with Satan or you were in collusion with the devil or you had demonic influence, all this invisible stuff.

And then, if you denied it, well, that's what somebody who had demonic influence would say.

So, clearly, you must be a witch.

And now it's you're a racist.

And if you deny it, you must therefore be a racist.

And so, they even say it in their literature, though, right?

It's not even fair.

They say there's no such thing as not racist.

No such thing as it.

It's impossible.

So, you can either be racist or you can be anti-racist, but still also necessarily racist.

Anti-racists are also racist because there's no not racist.

Except for them.

No, that's the thing.

That's how this is, that's why this is so dangerous.

They believe that everybody's racist, and there are only two types of people.

They are also racist.

They're the people who will go and cry and confess to it and dig themselves deeper into the cult.

And those are the relatively good people.

And then there are the racists who won't dare admit it, and those are the bad people.

Wow.

James, I can't thank you.

I think Macbeth feeling, right?

Wash it off your...

Yeah.

Yes.

Yes.

Hang on.

Stu, I think, has a question.

Yeah, James, quickly, because this has really been amazing to hear this stuff.

Is this the same thing that's sort of echoed in the crazy, sort of self-punishing celebrity videos that we see where they apologize for everything and take responsibility for all the terrible actions they've apparently been a part of all these years?

Absolutely.

That's them know, reacting to that emotional manipulation.

So they're told that, you know, you're complicit in racism, that they get this emotional vulnerability, this guilt, this shame.

Guilt and shame are the main ones that they're playing upon.

And then they have to take this action.

And what do they do?

I take responsibility for it.

And they're crying and so on and so forth, getting very emotional and trying to induce emotional reactions in the people watching it.

Taking responsibility, though, is showing commitment and learning to identify as a person who thinks that way.

That's exactly

an example of this.

James,

the author of Cynical Theories, he's also the co-founder of newdiscourses.com, where you can have an open conversation and find facts on all sides to try to find the truth.

I so admire you, James, and I know that

we've met before and I've had you on before, but you and your colleagues are remarkable because you don't necessarily agree with me.

I don't know if you agree with me on anything,

but

you guys have

taken incredible hits and been ostracized from your own communities and

for on all sides.

And I

just admire your willingness to stand for the truth and really seek the truth no matter where it's found and no matter what the cost is.

You're a rare person, James.

Thank you.

Thanks, Glenn.

I'll tell you, actually, people have asked me ever since I came on before, they said, you know, what's Glenn like?

Everybody's afraid, you know, Glenn Beck, you know, you have this aura.

And I said, you know, I don't agree with him on a lot, but to be honest with you, if I could magically make one person be my next-door neighbor who you would never expect, it'd be Glenn Beck.

Wow.

Wow.

Thank you, James.

He borrows a lot of stuff for bait goods, though.

You got to make sure you guard your sugars and your butters.

And that would be good, but my neighborhood wouldn't let somebody like James Lindsey in that.

James, thank you so much.

God bless you.

Thank you.

Yeah, take care.

That was nice.

You bet.

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There's no such thing as being paranoid enough, I think, anymore, especially if you are a conservative in the media.

Yesterday, The Federalist, which is a buttoned-up website, The Federalist was temporarily banned.

Now, Google said said they were never banned.

It was never a problem.

Well, we'll find out in just a second.

But NBC reported that

after some collaboration, they finally got Zero Hedge and the Federalists to be banned from all advertising from Google.

That's a problem because Google controls now, I think, about between, what, 60 and 80% of all advertising in the United States.

They're the biggest ad agency in the world now.

You don't get advertisements from Google.

You don't usually get advertisements.

But we want to look into a little bit on not only what happened, but who is

who's now advising on hate?

Thank you, NBC News, for bringing up a really interesting subject.

Who is Google listening to?

And who are they coming for next?

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Ben Dominich, he's the co-founder of The Federalist,

the podcast host for the Federalist Radio Hour.

And we want to talk about Google attempting to demonetize his website, The Federalist.

Ben, how are you?

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In fact, I am talking to you wearing my Tacovas right now.

So I did not.

Are you really?

Yes, I really am wearing them.

They're really great boots, aren't they?

They really are.

They're great.

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You know what isn't wonderful is

big tech and their animosity towards anyone who conflicts with the narrative.

Capitalize it.

And

in this case, it really does look like NBC News, irritated perhaps at our coverage of their

really, I think, terrible behavior over the last several couple of years, not just

hiding the truth about Matt Lauer and Harvey Weinstein, but also, of course, their activity when it comes to the Russia collusion hoax.

And more recently, they're pretending that these riots and violence playing out across America were in no way connected to the protests.

they attempted to come after us.

And I think that they really screwed up, Glenn, in a way that

is backfiring.

I know for a fact that the top flight lobbyists at Google have been very active over the last 24 hours trying to prevent a crackdown from Capitol Hill.

And I think that we're going to continue to see this story play out over the coming weeks and months even in terms of questions about what Google did, what they were intending to do.

And in Oakland, it's a real canary in the coal mine moment of waking up to the reality that these tech companies are going to come for all of us, and they are going to do so in ways that

really go after anyone who questions the narrative that they have about the world that we live in and the country that we love.

Ben, I tell you, I am preparing for the day that

the only way to reach me will be to go and type in the address, glennbeck.com or theblaze.com.

And even that is sketchy.

There will be no social media.

We will be demonetized everywhere.

And I think that day, Ben, could happen

a lot faster than we think.

Look how much change has come in just the last, what, eight weeks?

We're in an entirely different country, talking about things that we wouldn't have even thought rational eight months ago, six months ago.

You know, Glenn,

I look across this country and I believe that we're in very much a cultural civil war.

And I mean, as you know,

my wife, Baby McCain, is the only pro-life, pro-gun woman employed by

any

main channel other than Fox News that is allowed on TV during the daytime.

And I don't speak for her, but she has been really woken up by everything that we've gone through in these past several weeks.

And she has asked me repeatedly, you know,

what do you think this looks like?

Where do you think this is going?

Do you think it's going to even be possible to be someone who is pro-life or pro-gun on TV?

outside, outside of these institutions.

And I've just told her, no, I don't think so.

I think that we are headed towards a moment where you have to have the total institutional support of something that you've built, Glenn, or that I've built in the Federalists or that others have built that can be behind you 100% because otherwise they will take you down.

They will demonetize you.

They will make it impossible to do your job because they hate you.

And it's, I mean,

we would like to have a situation where we could have a negotiation, where we could have a debate, where we could have a back and forth.

I mean, that's what we love as Americans who like debate.

And I know you love it, Glenn.

But that's not possible with a mob that wants to destroy you, that wants to erase you, that does not believe you should be allowed any platform for your ideas if they conflict with the narrative.

So tell me what you think here about the NBC News.

I don't even know what she was, a researcher or a reporter,

new from at NBC VC, thanks to FS Fake News and CCD Hate for their hard work and collaboration.

And what she was saluting was the fact that you and Zerohead would no longer be able to generate revenue from any advertisements served by Google Ads.

Who is this person?

Well, first off, I've never heard of this person before.

She's a London-based journalist, and I do put that in quotes because

I don't believe that she was acting as a journalist here.

She was clearly

an activist.

She was

a platformist.

Yes.

And working with a small leftist organization in the UK that attempted to come after us.

And Glenn,

here's where I think they screwed up.

Here's the mistake they made.

I think that the gap of knowledge

between,

you know, across the pond, between America and the UK, meant that they assumed we were some irrelevant blog that they could frame as being racist or unacceptable uh when in reality as you know uh you know we are well connected well respected in terms of the the world of laws and in terms of our coverage uh with people like molly hemingway and and sean davis and others and So we had members of Congress and senators reaching out to us immediately.

Ted Cruz sent a letter this morning demanding to have some clarity from Google about what's going on.

Josh Hawley, Tom Cotton, and Marco Rubio are introducing legislation to crack down on Google this morning.

I think that this is a moment where we are going to have to come to grips with the fact that these are the most powerful entities controlling, as you said, an enormous percentage of the ad revenue, an enormous percentage of the conversation.

They are media companies, and they should be

as such.

Yes, they are the public square now.

This is the public square, and they control all of it.

And they said that their problem was with you, not any of your reporting, it was some of the comments made by people reading, which I want to know, have they demonetized YouTube?

Have they demonetized Facebook or Twitter?

Because

Glenn, those are the most toxic comment fields that you can explain.

And I'll exactly.

We took our comments section down for the moment because of this demonetization threat.

Comments will be back.

I am not going to let them bully us out of having those.

Personally, I don't really wade into comments.

I think that they're a little crazy, but people blow off some steam there.

But my attitude is we should not have a situation where only people who are advocating for, again, a questioning of their narrative, this leftist narrative about what we're going through, they're the ones who have to respond for their comments.

Not the New York Times, not the Washington Post, not Mediight, not YouTube, not any of these other places that they are perfectly comfortable with, Glenn.

And to me, this is a sign of how they will utilize their lackadaisical approach to rules where they just say, oh, well,

if you are center-right, then we're going to go down chapter and verse.

We're going to look through all these rules to find a way to screw you, to come after you.

Okay.

But if you are on the right side of the narrative, oh, that's fine.

That's just, you know, that's just debate.

We're letting that happen among your users.

It's ridiculous, Glenn.

It can't be allowed to continue.

And as you said, they have a monopoly on the public square at this point.

It's as if you had big paper, you know, like the inability to print anything other than what they allow.

Right.

So the organization that went after you was started by

Amra.

I have no idea.

Gosh, I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Anyway,

he's a trustee of victim support, which sounds wonderful.

Sits on the steering committee for the Commission of Countering Extremism, the pilot task force there in London, and that's wonderful.

He also authored the book The New Serfdom: The Triumph of Conservative Ideas and How to Defeat Them.

He wrote that with a Labor Party MP, also a political advisor to the Labour Party.

They also have big, high-profile supporters, such as the Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, who is not an extremist

at all.

You have

one of the secretary of the Labor Party.

You have several Labor Party activists, former speechwriter for Gordon Brown.

This is a far, far-left organization.

I'm wondering where they get their money, but it sounds to me as if

this is a London version of Media Matters that

is doing exactly the same thing.

And they're hammering places like Google, and Google is listening to them.

I mean, one of the things that we have to be mindful of here, Glenn, is that You know, these big tech companies,

as many smart people as they employ, they're not very bright when it comes to these political matters.

And in this case, I think that they were easily manipulated by a bunch of lefties who decided to, you know, en masse, report a bunch of our comments or other content that we had and basically say,

why do you have any ads on this site?

Now, I will say, Google Ads is not our primary source of revenue, thank Lord.

And so, you know, even if we had lost them, we would be fine.

But it's the sort of thing where it's more about

the branding involved of saying,

we're going to brand these folks as unacceptable for any ads to run.

And the left understands how to manipulate this scenario.

They understand how to go into

these ad components, these communications shops, and put some things in front of them and say, why are you running ads on this person's site or that person's site?

And from my perspective, the real situation here is we have the resources to fight back, but others do not.

There are tons of people out there, you know, small businesses and small blogs and individuals, professors and the like, who could be demonetized by this, and they would not have the ability to get on the phone with Ted Cruz and say we're going to fight back.

And that's the thing that I think we have to be really concerned about, because that's going to continue.

The left no longer believes in free speech.

They have ditched the old values of the the ACLU.

They have ditched the Bill Maher, the Howard Stern of the 1990s.

They have thrown them aside.

They want to.

They're coming after Howard Stern.

Yeah, I know.

It's crazy.

It's insane.

Ben, thank you so much.

And anything that we can do to support you guys at the Federalists, we're all in this boat together.

You just let us know, Ben.

We stand behind you 100%.

Thank you.

Thank you, Glenn.

I truly appreciate it.

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all right so have you seen uh the Fed they're now buying individual companies and stocks oh my gosh that is fantastic do you remember Stu honestly honest to god do you remember when I was saying that they were going to do that they were going to just use the uh the printing press to print our way out and they would end up buying all of our debt and they would go into the stock market and everybody said they're not going to do any of those things you crazy man

well not so crazy now am i they're still saying you're crazy for buying gold They told you then that they would never do those things, so you shouldn't buy gold.

Now they're saying it's not a problem that they are doing those things.

Oh my gosh.

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From the Standing Rock Ranch, welcome.

It is the Glen Beck program.

I just have to, again,

just say a word here about somebody who, you know, I think is a danger to the nation.

But,

I mean, we're all human.

And

my sincerest condolences on the loss of

Elon Amar's father.

I know what it's like.

And

to lose your dad and your father-in-law on the same day, Stu.

I mean.

Don't try to bring me up.

Your mind's not going on.

I'm not.

I'm not.

No, I'm just saying that is.

Can you imagine how hard that would be?

To lose both on the same day?

My gosh.

You know,

your sympathy is almost overwhelming, and the sincerity sincerity of it is just powerful.

No, sincerely.

I mean,

I,

man,

it's,

I can't imagine.

She's got to go to her father-in-law's funeral.

And I don't know if she can go, you know, with others.

I don't know.

You know, did her brother get along with a father-in-law?

I don't know.

So, can he go?

And the tension that would be there, because you know her ex-husband is going to be there.

So, she's got to do that.

I don't think people understand what you're saying.

I don't know that you necessarily need to explain it further.

I think people get

that I may have gone too far.

I just, I mean, could they have the funeral first?

I mean, I don't know if there's a

specific one you hold.

Which one is first?

I hope they don't conflict.

You are the worst.

Is this how you're dealing with the pain of life?

Because I know you're going to go to dark places when.

Yes, it is.

I have the darkest sense of humor.

Anybody who listens to me, you know, you come up and you're hanging out with me and the family, all the whole family, we have the darkest sense of humor.

It's true, and it has it in the way.

Usually people run

and dealt with this over the years for sure.

Yes, yes.

And

usually people run in horror.

They're like, oh, my gosh.

they're like so dark.

Yes.

Yes, we are.

Yes, we are.

You know, the world is a dark place

these days.

I don't know if you've noticed.

Most of it seems to be on fire as far as the country goes.

We're barely able to come outside of our homes.

20 million people are out of work.

There's a tad of a negative vibe I've noticed in America right now.

I don't know if you've noticed the same thing.

I have not.

No.

No, I haven't.

A negative negative vibe.

I mean, just because we've been told that we are racist, we're a racist country.

We want to kill people who are different than us.

We hate all people.

We want them to die outside of hospitals without any kind of insurance.

That this country never did any good.

It's always been bad.

We invented slavery.

That was the new one yesterday.

I mean,

why would you say that we would be a little testy or negative?

It's a great question.

I think you might be able to figure it out.

I'm just amazed at the way that I can't.

I still am trying to figure out whether I should say and send one bouquet of flowers or two.

Sorry for the loss of your dad and sorry for the loss of your father-in-law.

But I don't know which to do.

I mean, will I look cheap if I only send one?

So you have Adam Carolla on the show tonight.

That's a big

Adam Carolla on the other side.

That's a big.

What are you going to talk to him about?

You seem like you're trying to.

Yeah, no, it's actually we're not talking about it, but we're talking about what he said last week, that he won't bow.

He's like, I'm not going to apologize for my whiteness.

I'm not going to apologize because I'm racist and don't know it.

I'm not going to do it.

And on tonight's.

It would be interesting to see.

I would like for you to ask

if you have time.

Because one of the interesting parts about this,

this whole controversy, we talked about, you know, they're canceling Aunt Jemima.

They're canceling all of these.

Cops has been canceled.

You know, Live PD has been canceled.

All of these things.

You know, Paw Patrol's gone.

I hope not.

I stand with Chase, by the way.

I mean, first of all, they'll be there on the double whenever you're in trouble.

So, I mean, that's an incredible guarantee.

Right now, that's who Seattle should call.

Oh, somebody's robbing your business and burning it down?

Paw Patrol will be there.

Paw Patrol is better.

It's more likely than the police because the mayor is going to stop the police from doing the work that they want to be doing.

But one of the interesting things, and this gets brought up all the time,

is a close friend of Adam Carolla's, Jimmy Kimmel.

On the same day that they're canceling sketches on Netflix with Blackface, they're going through all these things.

Jimmy Kimmel was named host of the Emmys yesterday.

I know.

And, you know, Kimmel, like, look,

it's brought up a lot that Jimmy Kimmel did Blackface

in his impression of Carl Malone, usually as, like, oh, yeah, well, he should be canceled too.

That's not how I feel about it.

I don't think this stuff, I think this stuff is completely non-productive.

But you see this thing.

Because you're a compassionate man, right?

You have

have you sent flowers?

You're a compassionate man.

You care about people.

And I know you care deeply about

Jimmy Kimmel.

We have.

I'm talking about Jimmy Kimmel now.

I would like you to ask Adam about that because,

I mean, Jimmy has played a role in this sort of cancel culture thing, which is odd coming from him.

At least that's my impression of it.

You know, there's a guy who came up on the man show with Adam.

They did all sorts of things that you're not allowed to do on TV anymore.

I mean, that was the whole show.

And, you know, to see, you know,

like I would think that Jimmy Kimmel would be constantly defensive of anyone who's taken out because of the material they've done in the past.

And I don't know if that's that's not that's not for Adam necessarily to answer for Jimmy, but it makes yourself a target.

There seems to be a big disagreement there.

Yeah, as long as, I mean, I think people think, as long as I play the game, I'll be safe.

I mean, they have no idea they're going to come for to eat Jimmy Kimmel and all the rest.

I mean, if you don't agree with everything, I mean, look what happened with the French Revolution, it just kept mutating and getting worse and worse and worse.

And even Robespierre, who started it,

he became a traitor to the revolution because he wouldn't hold up the ideals.

Well, the ideals keep getting worse and worse and worse.

I mean, that's not what we agreed on in the first place.

And that's what's just going to happen.

It's just going to happen.

And,

you know,

God bless him.

I'm sorry.

I'm just,

ooh.

I am just so broken up.

Are you broken up because you're worried about how Senator Tim Kaine thinks the United States created slavery?

Is that the thing?

Because maybe we should play that clip.

I don't play that clip yet.

No, I really, I don't know.

I really have that clip.

Do we have a clip of that?

Because I think we should play that clip.

We should just play it right now.

Just play it quickly.

The first African Americans into the English colonies came to Point and Comfort, Virginia, in 1619.

They were slaves.

They've been captured against their will.

But they landed in colonies that didn't have slavery.

There were no laws about slavery.

They were interested in colonies at that time.

What would they do?

The United States didn't inherit slavery from anybody.

We created it.

It got created by the Virginia General Assembly and the legislatures of other states.

It got created by the court systems in colonial America and since that enforced fusion of slave laws.

It was, we created it.

And we created it and maintained it over centuries.

And in my lifetime,

we finally stopped some of those practices, but we've never gone back to undo it.

Wait, in his lifetime,

in his lifetime, which I knew it.

I knew he was either an alien or some sort of long-living lizard form.

But

in his lifetime, they've stopped.

We've stopped some of those practices.

Wow.

So he was around,

you know, before Lincoln.

That's incredible.

The other thing is,

I just want to point out:

do you know how slavery started, Stu, here in America?

Do you know how it actually began?

I certainly do in 1619.

That's what the 1619 project told me.

No, that's really weird.

That's not what that's no.

Uh-uh.

Indentured servitude.

Indentured servitude was something

that has gone away a long time ago, but it was very normal back in the day.

What would happen is if you, let's say, wanted to make a trip to America, you could become an indentured servant.

And what that meant was somebody else would pay your way, but you would have to work those wages off over a certain period of time.

And so they they would provide room and board and also move you to the United States.

But you had a contract, an indentured servitude contract.

So every bit of your work you did went to pay your debt.

After a certain given time, that would be over and you would no longer, you could be on your own and be your own person.

Well, here in the United States, there was a

an individual.

I hate to even point this out because everybody knows how evil white people are.

And there was an individual who had an indentured servant, and he was brought over

to the United States, but

he was not a slave.

He was an indentured servant.

And this white owner decided to go to court and say, you know what?

He's been lazy.

He's been slovenly.

He's never really done any of his work.

I think I should be able to own him

lockstock and barrel.

I don't think I should ever have to release him.

He would be basically my slave.

And the judge agreed, white people.

Except the guy who was making that case was a black man.

The guy who actually put the first slave law into action

was

a black man.

The first man in America to own a slave was a black man.

So,

I guess that kind of

puts a hitch in his knickers.

And I say that, hitch in his knickers only because

he's been around forever.

He's just been around forever.

That's true.

I would agree with that.

It's an interesting concept that we created.

It I had not heard that one before.

He is now

clarified.

Yeah, you know who also didn't hear that?

Pharaoh.

no.

He was like, wait a minute, I thought I was a pretty early adopter of this system.

Yeah.

But no, Pharaoh.

I actually think I have the most amazing fact of that entire segment because there's a lot of them, as you've unpacked several of them already.

But I think the most amazing part of that Tim Kaine monologue there is that, did you know

Tim Kaine was the Democratic nominee for vice president in 2016?

Like,

he was on the ticket, I swear, with Hillary Clinton in the race that Donald Trump was.

No, you're mistaken.

No, I swear, it's that guy.

No, she didn't.

No, she didn't have a running mate.

No, she did.

It was Tim Kaine.

People don't remember this because

he's the most forgettable person in human history, but he actually was on the ticket as the vice presidential nominee in the last election.

No one knows this.

It's actually technically true.

And you would think that Hillary would have had somebody, you know, competent or new history at all.

Oh, yeah.

That's uh, you know what I mean?

You'd think Hillary, if Hillary is going to have somebody, it's got to be somebody really, really good on American history.

Uh, but Tim Kaine, I'm going to check on that.

I don't think you're right, but I'm going to check.

Thank you so much, uh, Stu.

And again, condolences.

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Wow, this is great.

How to remove a racist statue?

The physics of taking down statues.

Should you happen to find yourself near a statue you decide you no longer like, we asked scientists the best, safest way to bring it to the ground without getting anyone hurt.

And so they said the physical approach, the force required to pull down a statue, isn't as great as you think.

According to mechanical engineer Scott Holland, most statues are bronze, using an alloy of 90% copper and 10% tin.

And so they talk about how you can do it, but they also talk to you about how you could use liquid nitrogen if you drill a hole by the ankles and just fill it with liquid nitrogen,

because then it'll be so cold, it'll just break the ankles and the statue will come down.

And I really appreciate this, especially because it's from Popular Mechanics.

This is an article from Popular

Wow, I guess everybody's getting into the act now.

I don't know how they're going to take the statue of Isabella and Columbus out of the state capitol rotunda now.

It's been there for like 135 years, Stu.

Could you get Popular Mechanics on the phone, see if maybe they could help us on that?

How do you get that out?

The lawmakers yesterday

passed a bill that would

get rid of that eyesore and that racist statement of Queen Isabella and

Columbus.

Dare I even say his name, really?

So amazed at how

bothered people are by a statue or a syrup bottle or a sketch comedy piece that they don't like, don't you have enough of a life to think about anything else?

Why are you so bothered by these things?

I don't understand you.

Is Aunt Jemima sitting in my pantry?

Like they were just shouting her racial epitets at whoever walks into my pantry?

That's not what happened.

No, that's not what happens.

No, and Mrs.

Butterworth is, she is even worse.

And I hope tomorrow that we will hear that Mrs.

Butterworth has also been fired.

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