A World Without Police | Guests: Sen. Tom Cotton & Andrew McCarthy | 6/9/20

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Speaker 55 Well, I mean, we might put them on a stick and then dunk them underwater to see if they float.

Speaker 6 And if they do, we know we have to kill them.

Speaker 53 But the cancer culture is just, it's really just starting to get great.

Speaker 61 Black police officers have been fired without investigation for using non-lethal tasers during a protest.

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Speaker 67 Another Catholic high school teacher has been fired for post about race.

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Speaker 21 Minnesota is shutting down the police force.

Speaker 30 That is so,

Speaker 93 that is so great.

Speaker 66 That's, you know, they don't know exactly what they're going to do yet, but this is fantastic.

Speaker 12 What a great move forward.

Speaker 34 Seattle police sources now confirm that preparations are underway to abandon the East Precinct.

Speaker 31 You know, they're taking items of value out, guns. They're also shredding documents of anything that they have in there.

Speaker 90 They say they're not going to give it up, but

Speaker 98 they're not going to just hand it over,

Speaker 11 but they're moving the trucks in to get everything out of there.

Speaker 57 So, in case they have to.

Speaker 101 Meanwhile, a Black Lives Matter leader in New York City says they are now training and being trained by former members of special forces, and they are now ready to mobilize a paramilitary force to stop police brutality on the streets.

Speaker 103 That is fantastic.

Speaker 46 Finally, some justice.

Speaker 103 We get some Black Panthers, Black Lives Matter guys on the streets with guns.

Speaker 58 Oh,

Speaker 31 it's going to be fixed.

Speaker 22 I'm so excited about this.

Speaker 21 You know,

Speaker 14 Stu, is it just me or is there a part of you that says, I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and just watch?

Speaker 2 Oh, it would be fascinating to take in. I could tell you this, there wouldn't be another minute I would show up on the job if I was a Minneapolis police officer.
I wouldn't even consider

Speaker 2 showing up.

Speaker 20 And that's because I'm a terrible person.

Speaker 32 Until I had my family out,

Speaker 77 I would show up for work.

Speaker 108 But then, I mean, I have to tell you, I don't know why.

Speaker 26 And tomorrow, I think I want to do a show just with police officers.

Speaker 110 Just all police officers.

Speaker 111 So I want to hear from you.

Speaker 69 That'll be tomorrow.

Speaker 13 We're trying to get some leadership on from the police departments around.

Speaker 31 So if you have police unions or anybody else that you think we should talk to, you let us know, tweet us.

Speaker 64 But

Speaker 31 I've been thinking about, there's no way I would show up for any of this stuff.

Speaker 113 I mean, they're like, oh, you don't like it?

Speaker 44 And I would do everything I could to walk out en masse.

Speaker 58 I'd be like, okay, all right. You know what?

Speaker 105 You don't want us.

Speaker 60 You want to defund us.

Speaker 80 We're all getting fired anyway, guys.

Speaker 26 We're going on strike.

Speaker 114 We're leaving.

Speaker 22 We don't need this.

Speaker 24 And I would just leave.

Speaker 107 Let's go ahead.

Speaker 63 Show people what it's like without police officers.

Speaker 116 It's insanity.

Speaker 117 It's insanity.

Speaker 87 Yeah, it really, really is.

Speaker 2 And I keep thinking to myself,

Speaker 2 what do they want to happen here? Are they arguing for a well-regulated militia?

Speaker 113 Is that what they're doing?

Speaker 58 Yeah, basically.

Speaker 36 Yeah, that's basically what they're doing.

Speaker 113 Because it would be interesting.

Speaker 2 You could actually theoretically attempt this, right, if you had a Second Amendment that you stood behind.

Speaker 2 But now they've taken the guns away and now the police away from the people most likely to be murdered in cities.

Speaker 2 the ones they're sitting here complaining about it, and then they're taking away everybody's ability to defend themselves or have someone else defend them.

Speaker 2 So now they're in this position with no possibility of fighting back against a criminal element.

Speaker 120 How does that work out?

Speaker 118 Not well.

Speaker 113 Well, you know,

Speaker 46 we've done some investigation and we've done some work

Speaker 76 yesterday

Speaker 17 on

Speaker 40 the events events of the weekend and events of the day.

Speaker 103 And I want you to know 2020 is the year of

Speaker 31 who the hell knows where this all started or where it's going, but sure looks like it's out of hand,

Speaker 32 which is kind of harder to deal with the New York Times opinion section, which for some reason has completely imploded now.

Speaker 122 And

Speaker 70 you're not getting any perspective.

Speaker 44 I listened. Did you listen to the New York Times daily today?

Speaker 34 No, no, I didn't.

Speaker 14 It was.

Speaker 47 You have to.

Speaker 113 It's fun.

Speaker 58 It's fun.

Speaker 70 I'm listening to it.

Speaker 69 I'm like, these people are all insane.

Speaker 123 They're insane.

Speaker 55 You know, they're talking about defunding the police and what's next.

Speaker 98 And they're talking about it as if it's logical.

Speaker 52 Okay. Has this been tried anywhere?

Speaker 115 Have you done this anywhere?

Speaker 98 We're going to just try this out on major U.S. cities.

Speaker 40 Doesn't sound like a good idea, but whatever.

Speaker 70 So the New York Times, they've just gone off the rails.

Speaker 32 The sane voices at the New York Times is the renegade centress Barry Weiss, who said this on Twitter about the drama inside the New York Times.

Speaker 37 The civil war inside the New York Times between the mostly young wokes and the mostly 40-plus liberals is the same one raging inside other publications and companies across the country.

Speaker 23 The dynamic is always the same.

Speaker 92 Hang on just a second.

Speaker 105 So, the 20-some wokes and the 40-plus liberals, where the conservative...

Speaker 39 Oh, I forgot I was talking about the New York Times.

Speaker 27 Anyway, so they're in civil war now.

Speaker 124 So what caused this rupture?

Speaker 13 Well,

Speaker 16 it was an op-ed piece in the New York Times.

Speaker 76 You know,

Speaker 60 was it the op-ed that was titled, My New Vagina Won't Make Me Happy?

Speaker 113 No, no.

Speaker 46 Or how about pedophilia is a disorder, not a crime?

Speaker 60 Or this one about transgenderism at airports in which the author accuses the TSA of transphobia. Or was it the op-ed that wants to know, why is Europe so Islamophobic?

Speaker 69 Or any of the

Speaker 13 radical op-eds about gun control, like, this is one of my favorites, the iconic man with a gun is a white man.

Speaker 114 I like that one because it takes gun control and it links guns to racism, which I always love.

Speaker 103 But it's not my my favorite.

Speaker 5 My favorite may be the glowing birthday letter to Karl Marx that the New York Times put out on their op-ed page.

Speaker 26 So

Speaker 40 it wasn't any of those.

Speaker 35 You know, Nicole Hannah-Jones, perhaps best known as the Spike Lee of journalism, whose special attention to reinventing American history, stormed Twitter to say, I'll probably get in trouble for this, but to not say something would be immoral.

Speaker 78 As a black woman, as a a journalist, as an American, I'm deeply ashamed that we ran this op-ed.

Speaker 74 Oh, which one was it?

Speaker 67 By the way, Nicole Hannah Jones, she won the Pulitzer Prize for the 1619 project.

Speaker 77 And I have to tell you, if I had known all you had to do was get it, to get a Pulitzer Prize was to write, you know, Black Panther as a racist historic account of America.

Speaker 128 And I would have lied my way to journalistic privilege years ago.

Speaker 58 Who knew it was that easy?

Speaker 38 Also, Jasmine Hughes, the author of such riveting stories as Eight Forgettable Things You Can Learn from Cardi B at Lunch, or White People Are Co-opting Black People's Jokes About White People.

Speaker 14 Well, yesterday Jasmine said,

Speaker 60 as if it weren't already hard enough to be a black employee of the New York Times.

Speaker 25 I know.

Speaker 128 I can hear the, ooh, listen.

Speaker 118 Can you hear it?

Speaker 60 Yes.

Speaker 57 I can hear the cracks of the whips from the editors of the New York Times on the backs of all of their employees.

Speaker 58 It's, well, all of their black employees.

Speaker 73 I didn't mean to assume that they would whip their white employees.

Speaker 107 What a sweatshop, slave shop, and racist place that is.

Speaker 113 Anyway,

Speaker 102 she's thrown down on Twitter, and I'm not going to, I'm just not even going to, because it kind of makes you gag.

Speaker 54 It does a little bit when you're, then, of course, we have Sarah Jong,

Speaker 13 the editor for the opinion section.

Speaker 57 She's got wonderful racist tweets. She was

Speaker 57 she was

Speaker 60 very upset that they ran this New York Times op-ed.

Speaker 54 New York Times writer Kyle Buchanan tweeted, running this op-ed puts blacks at the New York Times staff in danger.

Speaker 26 And it's dumb.

Speaker 118 Wow.

Speaker 61 actually he used an F word too but I can't pronounce it because it seems pretty intellectual when he uses it so what is the article we told you about it yesterday was it the article can my children be friends with white people

Speaker 9 no that was not racist or Mary Poppins and a nanny's shameful flirting with blackface which blasts fictional characters about blackface but you know don't have a single word about Justin Trudeau's public blackface fetish.

Speaker 23 It doesn't say anything.

Speaker 105 Could it be, I shouldn't have to tell you this is racist, a guide on discerning racist microaggressions.

Speaker 5 Or social distancing is a privilege in which the author blames white people for the fact that COVID-19 is disproportionately fatal to blacks.

Speaker 61 Or the New York Times op-ed, and the Oscar goes to white people.

Speaker 55 Or this one from the editorial board itself.

Speaker 89 Why does the U.S.

Speaker 60 military celebrate white supremacy?

Speaker 24 Which actually tries to argue that the military celebrates white supremacy.

Speaker 5 Or this one about

Speaker 29 prejudicial car loans,

Speaker 90 new cars, old racism.

Speaker 44 Wow.

Speaker 96 This one, racism is real and Trump helps show it.

Speaker 32 Or maybe this one, guns and racism about white supremacy in the gun lobby.

Speaker 115 Or this one, Confederate flags and institutional racism.

Speaker 80 With a new creative definition of racism,

Speaker 24 let me quote: Furthermore, institutional racism doesn't require the enlisting of individual racists.

Speaker 123 The machine does the discriminating.

Speaker 40 It provides a remove, a space between the

Speaker 139 unpleasantness of racial discrimination and indeed hatred and the ultimate, undeniable, and for some desirable outcome of structural oppression.

Speaker 124 Wow.

Speaker 124 So which

Speaker 134 one was so dangerous and so crazy that they couldn't print, that they had to apologize for, get rid of one of their editors?

Speaker 118 Well,

Speaker 58 our next guest is going to be talking about, and I dare I even say it, I could be on the wheel of termination today.

Speaker 129 Today could be my last last show.

Speaker 129 Oh, please do me a favor.

Speaker 40 The New York Times, it was actually not about race, what they did.

Speaker 16 It was

Speaker 32 an op-ed penned by Senator Tom Cotton.

Speaker 106 Not about race.

Speaker 57 Stu,

Speaker 9 what is the stereotypical thing people, slaves, picked in slave days?

Speaker 82 Oh my gosh, it's his last name.

Speaker 52 His last name.

Speaker 107 Is that crazy?

Speaker 107 I mean, how do you not see that one?

Speaker 80 Anyway, he wrote the op-ed, send in the troops.

Speaker 23 Senator Cotton wrote, not surprisingly, public opinion is on the side of law enforcement and law and order, not insurrectionalists.

Speaker 24 According to a recent poll, 58% of registered voters, including nearly half of Democrats, 37% of African Americans, would support cities calling in the military to address the protests and demonstrations that are in response to the death of George Floyd.

Speaker 96 That opinion may not appear often in chic salons, but widespread support for this fact nonetheless.

Speaker 31 The American people are not blind to injustices in our society, but they know the basic responsibility of government is to maintain public order and safety.

Speaker 91 Oh,

Speaker 31 the New York Times had to come out and immediately apologize.

Speaker 69 The editor's note was, I think as long as the editorial, it didn't really say much, but I just want to give you highlights of it.

Speaker 120 After publication, this essay met strong criticism from many readers and many times colleagues, prompting editors to review the piece and editing process.

Speaker 114 Based on our review, we've concluded that the essay fell short of our standards and should not have been published.

Speaker 14 Beyond the factual questions that were in there, the tone of the essay in places was needlessly harsh and falls short of the thoughtful approach that advances useful debate.

Speaker 118 Oh.

Speaker 9 Okay, so more like the op-ed,

Speaker 37 my children can be friends with white people.

Speaker 6 It's actually a question. I don't know if they actually solve that one.

Speaker 31 Or my new vagina won't make me happy.

Speaker 78 Or the birthday letter to Karl Marx.

Speaker 135 Something more based in reality, truth, and not offensive.

Speaker 74 Okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 114 Okay, I think I have it.

Speaker 55 Now, besides the Republicans are racist and conservatives are too dumb to tell the truth from lies, the main critique that the New York Times activist journalist had about his article was that op-eds have a duty to truth behind the ideology.

Speaker 118 Oh,

Speaker 78 okay.

Speaker 60 All right, so we have a duty to truth.

Speaker 60 Hmm.

Speaker 55 So what about the op-eds that have appeared in the New York Times in response to George Floyd's protests?

Speaker 60 protests,

Speaker 23 you know, despite the previous hysteria about people staying indoors because of lockdown measures?

Speaker 125 In America, protest is patriotic.

Speaker 141 Now, this one was posted by the editorial board on June 2nd as dozens of American cities burned down.

Speaker 114 You know, just for the hell of it.

Speaker 44 What did the New York Times have to say about the anti-lockdown protests just a month earlier?

Speaker 43 The right sends in the quacks by Paul Krugman.

Speaker 68 Or this one, The Coronavirus and Conservative Mind, which paints conservatives as unhinged conspiracy theorists who blame COVID-19 on Hillary Clinton, which I hadn't heard and didn't think of, but that'd be kind of fun to noodle today.

Speaker 15 I could go on and on and on, but I don't need to because Tom Cotton is coming up in just a few minutes.

Speaker 113 Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 90 My name is Hawk Newsom

Speaker 31 Newsome Hawk Newsome He's the chairman of Black Lives Matter Greater New York.

Speaker 23 I love to have this guy on.

Speaker 82 He is very intimidating, apparently.

Speaker 40 His black rights group is now, according to him, mobilizing its base and aims to develop a highly trained military arm to challenge police brutality head-on.

Speaker 38 Now, he just did an exclusive interview with somebody, I don't even know who.

Speaker 31 I think the Daily Mail.

Speaker 60 And they say that Black Lives Movement has marched for years to wake people up to the realities of police brutality and oppression.

Speaker 105 And he believes that people have finally awoken.

Speaker 129 And it's our obligation, it's our duty to provide people with a pathway forward.

Speaker 108 We want liberation.

Speaker 113 We want the power to determine our own destiny.

Speaker 64 You don't have that in America, huh?

Speaker 59 We want freedom from an oppressive government, and we want the immediate end of government-sanctioned murder by the police.

Speaker 59 And we prepare to stop these government-sanctioned murders by any means necessary. That's why we are preparing and training our people to defend our communities.

Speaker 54 So he's about to escalate the battle, which,

Speaker 70 again,

Speaker 131 with a mayor like Bill de Blasio, I think you're going to be fine, New York.

Speaker 79 No, I know.

Speaker 38 Call me crazy.

Speaker 60 An uprising, riots in the street, 1968.

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Speaker 118 Cotton.

Speaker 16 What does that make you think of?

Speaker 126 You think,

Speaker 91 anyway,

Speaker 22 we have Senator Tom Cotton on with us now who has said just things that should not be said at the New York Times, things that,

Speaker 118 well,

Speaker 13 I think most people agree with, but you can't say those things anymore.

Speaker 120 Senator, welcome. How are you? Hey, Glenn.

Speaker 146 Hey, Glenn, good to be on with you.

Speaker 77 So, Senator, I have to tell you, the world has gone

Speaker 123 insane.

Speaker 129 the left the uh the media i heard the new york times today talking about how having a serious conversation with somebody about well what so what happens when you get rid of the police in uh minnesota well you know we don't know exactly yet but we're going to work it out and it's going to be great i mean we're talking about major u.s cities just saying i'm done with the police this is nuts

Speaker 146 glenn this is this is what happens when you have a newsroom like the new york times apparently does, or a city like Minneapolis and its mayor that are run by people who think the real world is a social justice seminar on a college campus.

Speaker 146 Right.

Speaker 146 I can tell you what happens when you don't have the police. You have anarchy.

Speaker 146 I mean, you literally have anarchy because there is no common authority to both enforce the law and be constrained by the law.

Speaker 146 That's what will happen in Minnesota or in some of these other major cities where the Democratic mayors and city councils were talking about slashing police budgets, like in Los Angeles and New York.

Speaker 146 The police are what stand between civilization and anarchy. And we need police departments that are well-funded, well-resourced, well-trained, so that are protected.

Speaker 115 I cannot believe.

Speaker 68 Wait a minute.

Speaker 70 I cannot believe we're having this conversation.

Speaker 98 You don't have to tell me or anybody in this audience.

Speaker 60 I'm just listening to you saying, you know, police departments are important.

Speaker 58 Of course they are.

Speaker 27 Of course they are.

Speaker 62 I just can't believe that we are here at this point.

Speaker 113 But

Speaker 146 look, Lynn, at what happened with the New York Times. So as you said, the New York Times is in total meltdown and it has suffered an internal collapse because

Speaker 146 its senior leaders decided to publish an opinion from a Republican senator that is shared by 58% of the American people. But apparently they view that as beyond the pale in the woke newsroom.

Speaker 146 Now, I would say that the senior leaders cravenly surrendered to the woke mob at the New York Times.

Speaker 146 On Wednesday of last week, they published my op-ed. On Thursday, they publicly defended it.
On Friday, they renounced it after the mob demanded that.

Speaker 146 And then on Sunday, the owner of the New York Times fired the editorial page editor. I would say that he surrendered to the woke mob, but let's remember, this guy is a woke child himself.

Speaker 118 No.

Speaker 72 They're eating their own.

Speaker 61 I mean, Senator, a lot of people are getting very upset right now.

Speaker 44 A lot of people on the right, they're getting upset and they're like, this is got to sup.

Speaker 80 I'm actually ready to grab a bowl of popcorn.

Speaker 31 I'm interested in just watching them just devour themselves.

Speaker 103 It's phenomenal what is happening.

Speaker 70 And I don't think that there is, you know, watching Nancy Pelosi

Speaker 94 do the stunt she did yesterday is hysterical.

Speaker 118 I mean,

Speaker 58 hysterical.

Speaker 146 So, Glenn,

Speaker 146 the New York Times is making a fool of themselves from A.G. Sulzberger all the way down to their, you know, young interns who were demanding heads-on-pikes because

Speaker 146 their editorial page editor had the audacity to publish an opinion with which they disagreed, although 58% of Americans agreed with it.

Speaker 146 And people are laughing at them.

Speaker 146 Reporters from other newspapers, producers from television shows, or even reporters at the New York Times recognize that the New York Times has become a laughing stock and exposed itself for what it is, a far-left-wing propaganda outfit.

Speaker 10 It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

Speaker 29 So one of the things they had a problem with.

Speaker 146 Glenn, look at the replacement.

Speaker 146 of the editorial page editor. Just take a look at her Twitter feed.
But in the meantime, look at the note she sent out to her

Speaker 146 workers just a couple days ago.

Speaker 146 She said that if you see anything at all, anything that offends you or that concerns you,

Speaker 146 then just send me a text or an email right away.

Speaker 146 I mean, she is telling grown-ups, people who should recognize they're not in a college campus, they're not in a social justice seminar, that they get trigger warnings at work.

Speaker 146 So they're not offended by microaggressions.

Speaker 146 I mean, this really is the language of campus children brought to the workforce when grown-ups should be able to say, look, you're not in a social justice seminar anymore. You are in the real world.

Speaker 146 And when you're confronted with an opinion with which you disagree, the proper answer is to refute it with better arguments in return.

Speaker 146 It's not to curl up in the fetal position, demand trigger warnings, and say that the bad people that publish this opinion should be fired. And if you don't like it, you can quit.

Speaker 60 So tell me, they said that one of the problems is they had a real problem with your depiction, which was completely inaccurate of the role of Antifa in the protests.

Speaker 69 Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom.

Speaker 121 Do you have any evidence at all that Antifa is playing any role in this?

Speaker 146 Well, I'll just say the Attorney General has repeatedly pointed this out, and I don't know many peaceful protesters and demonstrators who take crowbars with them to marches.

Speaker 146 I don't think stacks of bricks get into the street by themselves, Quinn.

Speaker 146 Of course, there were agitators and extremists who hijacked and infiltrated protected First Amendment protests for their own purposes.

Speaker 146 That was happening the weekend after last, and that's why you saw so much violence on the streets in places like Minneapolis and New York and Washington, D.C. Now, since the president

Speaker 146 demanded that the National Guard be on the scene in Washington, D.C., employed a lot of the specialized law enforcement units that are present around the seat of our national government, since some Democratic governors like Tim Waltz in Minnesota recognized that he had no choice but to call out the National Guard, that violence diminished significantly over the course of last week, to the point where over this past weekend, it was almost all just protests and demonstrations.

Speaker 146 And that's because those agitators and extremists realized that the authorities were now onto their techniques and that they faced the risk of pushback from the police and ultimately arrest and charges.

Speaker 40 So I saw an interview with Attorney General Barr, and

Speaker 57 they asked him, why haven't you made a single arrest yet of Antiva if you know that they were involved and he said something pretty shocking at least to me he said because we're tracking their funding they're very well funded right now he's not going after the guys on the streets he's going after the leadership he's going after the

Speaker 104 most likely the white uh anti-capitalist socialists uh around the world that have tons of money that are funding these things.

Speaker 22 That's going to be a bombshell if he hits that.

Speaker 16 Because there will be all kinds of connections to people we know.

Speaker 16 Glenn,

Speaker 146 that's the right way to approach a radical organization like Antifa. I'll say that.
I don't want to get too far into the details of what may or may not be

Speaker 146 investigated and what techniques our federal government is using, but there's a long history of our federal government trying to

Speaker 146 identify informants within criminal organizations and conspiracies to roll them up and end up not just getting the foot soldiers out on the street, but all the way up to the kingpins and the funders.

Speaker 146 That was how a U.S. grant took down the original version of the KKK in the 1870s.

Speaker 146 That's how we took down the mob in the 50s and 60s and 70s, drug gangs in the 80s and 90s, terrorist terrorist organizations over the last 20 years.

Speaker 146 The federal government has a long record of rolling up large organizations through careful investigative work and the use of informants and intelligence.

Speaker 146 And that's what we shouldn't be doing with Fentifer right now.

Speaker 42 So, Senator,

Speaker 22 if you see how the Soviet Union

Speaker 109 after World War II

Speaker 125 flipped Czechoslovakia and Hungary and everything else, they did it without a shot being fired.

Speaker 129 And it really is the bottom-up, top-down, inside-out thing.

Speaker 121 You put communists in the government in a deep state, if you will.

Speaker 120 Then you fund and you support rioters on the streets.

Speaker 39 The people rise up and say the government's got to do something.

Speaker 31 And that deep state-controlled government comes down, and you lose your country and you lose your freedom.

Speaker 102 They did it over and over and over again.

Speaker 131 And I believe it's exactly what is happening happening here in the United States.

Speaker 13 How are we doing on the investigation into the deep state and all of the people that

Speaker 40 were responsible for the Russia collusion garbage and

Speaker 8 ratting out

Speaker 38 and finding these people that are working against freedom in America in our own government?

Speaker 146 Well, we're moving forward a little bit more slowly than I would like, Glenn, but it is moving forward.

Speaker 146 In part, because we lived through two plus years of the Mueller investigation, even though I think it's now clear that the FBI knew from the earliest days, even before Bob Mueller was appointed as a special counsel, that the still dossier was full of garbage, probably full of Russian intelligence disinformation,

Speaker 146 and that there was no collusion.

Speaker 146 Whatever efforts Russia undertook on its own, there was no collusion with the Trump campaign.

Speaker 146 I commend the Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney in Washington for dropping the charges against Mike Flynn.
They shouldn't have been brought to begin with, and that was long overdue.

Speaker 146 We've seen other reports, for instance, from the Inspector General and the Department of Justice about how the senior FBI leaders abused their authority in 2016 and 2017.

Speaker 146 Of course, John Durham is continuing to investigate the entire origins of the Russia collusion hoax, and I expect that will be announced well before the election.

Speaker 146 And of course, Lindy Graham, the Senate, has begun a series of hearings that will end up calling in in some of the central players involved in those decisions, like Jim Comey and Andy McKay, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page.

Speaker 146 Now, nearly all of them, MSNBC or CNN contributors.

Speaker 146 Yeah.

Speaker 18 You know, the president's poll numbers, you know, depending on who you look at, and I don't believe them at this point, and I don't...

Speaker 18 I can't imagine America going for a group of people that are supporting what's happening on the streets, but you know, whatever.

Speaker 20 America is a different place now, I guess.

Speaker 13 But this is important for these things to be

Speaker 9 cleared up before

Speaker 76 the president leaves office.

Speaker 114 We would have really dangerous people

Speaker 148 coming in.

Speaker 13 And if the American people don't see some arrests and don't

Speaker 12 we're not cleaning things up,

Speaker 40 I worry what's coming next.

Speaker 146 Trevor Burrus Well, that's one reason why I'm confident, Glenn, that these investigations will reach their natural conclusion before January or even before the election.

Speaker 146 The Attorney General recognizes that this is a closely divided country when it comes to electoral politics.

Speaker 146 You know, we had a split decision in 2018 with Democrats winning the House and Republicans winning the Senate. I think this will be a closely contested election as well.

Speaker 146 It's important, though, that electoral politics, whoever win the election, not get in not get in the way of uncovering the truth about what is perhaps the biggest political scandal in our country's history, which is the Obama administration's efforts to disrupt the peaceful transition of power and use the organs of law enforcement against its political opponents.

Speaker 134 So

Speaker 11 one last thing, because you were on the coronavirus early.

Speaker 17 And

Speaker 25 there's a lot of people now that look at what's happening with the medical community coming out and saying, well, racism is a much worse disease than coronavirus, so you can go protest.

Speaker 13 These mayors and these governors that were arresting people that said that people who were protesting the shutdown were irresponsible, going to kill everybody's grandmother, they were anarchists, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 11 Those people are now marching in the streets.

Speaker 41 The coronavirus

Speaker 38 experts are really endorsing going ahead and

Speaker 21 rioting or at least marching in the streets.

Speaker 31 And I think there's a lot of people that say, wait a minute, we destroyed our economy.

Speaker 134 For what?

Speaker 46 Did you people even believe this ever?

Speaker 146 Well, Glenn, I hope and I pray that we will not see a surge in coronavirus cases and ultimately deaths because of the large-scale protests and demonstrations over the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 146 We'll know in the weeks ahead. I hope that's not the case.
And if it's not, then that might give us even more confidence to get the rest of our economy back up and open again.

Speaker 146 However, I think it's obvious that just de facto, the lockdowns are now, in effect, over.

Speaker 146 It's going to be very hard for any governor or mayor to tell his or her people, you've got to stay at home, you can't earn a living, you can't open your business, you can't take your kids to a park, you can't go worship in church.

Speaker 146 after they've seen these very same mayors and governors not just permit but encourage and celebrate protests and demonstrations with people marching in the streets shoulder to shoulder by the thousands.

Speaker 146 I would also suspect that to the extent those governors and mayors try to enforce those lockdowns, you know, against, say, churches holding services, that they're going to face lawsuits, and those lawsuits are apt to be successful.

Speaker 146 I mean, it can't be the case that we condone First Amendment activity by the thousands in our streets, but we prohibit First Amendment activity by the dozens in our churches. Yep.

Speaker 34 Senator Tom Cotton, thanks for being on.

Speaker 134 My gosh, my gosh.

Speaker 75 How you won't stand with Black Lives Matter just amazes me, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 66 I want to

Speaker 28 share some real facts on what is actually happening on the ground with the police officers because tomorrow I'm just going to do all police officers.

Speaker 37 I want to hear from you if you are in uniform, if you're going in, if

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Speaker 63 We're going to do all police officers tomorrow, so we'll lead with the facts today.

Speaker 101 Also, what the hell is happening over in Europe?

Speaker 61 Why are people in Europe, in Italy, in England, why are they protesting police brutality here in America?

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Speaker 3 Looting. Reaching the gate at the third three.

Speaker 152 Looters lit fires during another night of violent protest.

Speaker 95 The violence.

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Speaker 82 the riots.

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Speaker 8 Anaya Fulrin Amon is a writer in the UK, freelance writer.

Speaker 40 She is also somebody who stood in December 2019, the UK general election, for the Brexit Party in Leeds Northeast.

Speaker 31 She is speaking out now in the UK, basically asking the same thing many of us are asking.

Speaker 13 Is this really about racism and police brutality, or is there something else going on?

Speaker 13 She was born in 96.

Speaker 109 Holy cow.

Speaker 21 She was born in 1996 in London.

Speaker 93 She is of Yoruba heritage. She

Speaker 11 was raised in a British-Nigerian single-parent household.

Speaker 102 Welcome to the program.

Speaker 118 How are you?

Speaker 153 Thank you for having me. I'm very, very good.
Thank you.

Speaker 122 So

Speaker 16 many people call you the Candace Owens of the UK.

Speaker 135 I've heard that banteed around.

Speaker 38 Tell me your take on what...

Speaker 39 I don't know if you take that as a good thing or a bad thing, but we mean it as a good thing.

Speaker 118 Tell me about what you're feeling.

Speaker 153 Positively.

Speaker 134 Good.

Speaker 137 On what's happening in Europe?

Speaker 41 In the UK, they've just defaced the guy who fought against fascism better than anybody else in the world, Winston Churchill.

Speaker 57 They just defaced a statue of Abraham Lincoln.

Speaker 137 What's going on in the UK?

Speaker 153 Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, I want to say that I think a lot of people for the past kind of few months and even years in particular have been worried about kind of the rise of China and what implications that has for kind of international politics.

Speaker 153 But I think that what we've seen in the last week, we can be in no doubt of American cultural hegemony and how kind of American racial culture wars has now been kind kind of exported globally.

Speaker 153 Now, you know, I love America, I think it's a fantastic country, but I have actually been surprised to see thousands and thousands of people in Britain, in central London, putting their hands up, saying, hands up, don't shoot, to one of the most demilitarized police forces in the world, which is the British

Speaker 58 Police Force.

Speaker 58 They don't have guns.

Speaker 46 How can they shoot?

Speaker 92 They don't have guns.

Speaker 153 They don't have guns. So I think what we've seen is a kind of attempt to create this kind of homogenized narrative about what it means to be black in the world.

Speaker 153 I think, and it's been one that has been essentialized to be one of kind of racism, oppression, victimization, irrespective of the kind of nuances and complexities of specific countries.

Speaker 153 I think absolutely, you know, racism exists that needs to be combated.

Speaker 153 But in response to the George Floyd killing, for the first time in, you know, I think years, there was unity across the political spectrum, pretty much much internationally, saying that this was

Speaker 153 a wrong thing. And the man's now been charged, and people can debate about what charge that should be.
But at the end of the day, that's on our way to justice. That's a very positive thing.

Speaker 153 And so, what has now transpired to me is something very, very, very different.

Speaker 153 We are seeing what looks like, to me, a kind of concerted effort to paint Western society at large as this kind of bastion of evil and hate and kind of racism.

Speaker 153 And I think it's sending a really toxic and demoralizing message to a generation of young people who haven't had it so better in terms of racial equality, progress. There's much more to be done.

Speaker 153 But the narrative that is being told is completely divorced from reality.

Speaker 153 And I think it's got much darker intentions and kind of consequences unless we seriously grapple with what is happening to our culture.

Speaker 45 Can you tell me what you think?

Speaker 85 Because because I agree with you, and you know, everything that you're saying here leads me to the things that we have been investigating for a long time,

Speaker 36 at least on my program, and that is this concerted effort by a radical leftist

Speaker 122 group of organizations and people that want to tear down the Western world and capitalism.

Speaker 40 Do you believe that that's what you're seeing over in the UK as well?

Speaker 40 No, absolutely, because it is something that's not just sparked solely out of the protests.

Speaker 153 We've seen it in terms of the education system, even in the universities. I think there's a similar thing that's happened in America in terms of these kind of pampered free speech wars.

Speaker 153 We've seen it with the gender debate, and also in the UK, we saw it up until the election until Brexit, which is essentially overthrowing the democratic system in order to kind of push forward a certain certain agenda.

Speaker 153 And I think I don't want to make too many connections, but I do think it's all part of the same underlying ideology that has a deep, bitterful resentment to kind of Western society and sees

Speaker 153 many of these political upheavals as an

Speaker 153 opportunity to exploit it to kind of push forward a very radical left agenda. And

Speaker 153 I think it's really worrying.

Speaker 153 I think, at least in the UK, we have a situation where the Conservative Party won the election, and a lot of us thought that that was a positive thing in terms of pushing back against this.

Speaker 153 But the left, I think again, it's similar in America, have right now a monopoly on culture.

Speaker 153 They have very significant sways in terms of the media.

Speaker 153 And in terms of changing that narrative and reclaiming a kind of more positive and realistic representation of the West, and kind of speaking to the young people that this picture is not actually the reality, is something that is still,

Speaker 153 you know, there's a lot more work to be done there. so it is really concerning.

Speaker 11 So I've recently

Speaker 154 met the

Speaker 138 founders and the heads of an organization, Turning Point

Speaker 58 UK,

Speaker 148 and

Speaker 22 I've been really excited to see

Speaker 10 the ideas of freedom start to take root.

Speaker 148 in a younger generation as well.

Speaker 14 But it's almost like it's a cute little effort overseas because

Speaker 131 you don't have our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and quite honestly, we don't either right now.

Speaker 32 So it's a different look at liberty, and it's kind of a hard sell in some ways.

Speaker 93 How are you seeing the pushback on this globalist, Marxist kind of

Speaker 154 ideology?

Speaker 95 Is there

Speaker 28 growing pushback on that at all?

Speaker 153 Well, you know, you know, even in Britain, we don't obviously, as you mentioned, have a written constitution, but we have a really strong and rich tradition of liberty in terms of John Stuart Mill and kind of the Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta.

Speaker 153 So it's a very rich and kind of amazing tradition there.

Speaker 153 And I think a lot of that, again, has kind of been brushed to the side and downplayed in this swell of cultural self-loathing which has really encapsulated many of the left in particular, but a lot in the West.

Speaker 153 But I think in terms of the pushback, I think it is something that's growing.

Speaker 153 So, I'm part of an organization in the UK called the Free Speech Union, and we've now been really proactive in terms of trying to defend people that are even facing

Speaker 153 losing their job and their positions to simple things that they've said. I mean, even recently in the UK, it's quite horrifying.

Speaker 153 A gentleman, a radio presenter, was

Speaker 153 being investigated for criticizing Black Lives Matter. So, you know, it is a really, really serious thing.

Speaker 153 And obviously, you know, there's a whole situation in terms of the New York Times and America over there. So the pushback is

Speaker 153 there, but it's definitely needs to be much stronger, much more forcewise.

Speaker 153 I mean, if we look at the lockdown, you know, in Britain, I've been quite surprised at how there ha there wasn't that much pushback in terms of the biggest peacetime removal of our liberties.

Speaker 153 And so I think that a lot of people have felt quite

Speaker 153 felt kind of exhausted by the constant barrage of negativity. But I think that what we've seen now, something feels different to me in the UK.

Speaker 153 You know, statues, as you mentioned, of Winston Churchill being brought down, historic cultural monuments being defamed, and violence against the police, and all of these really kind of significant things.

Speaker 153 I think a lot of people are now waking up and saying that we cannot let this go on, or this is really going to spiral into something much, much darker than it already is.

Speaker 74 So, how does the America, how does the United States of America, and be, you know, be honest,

Speaker 20 I'm not asking for a you know a nice fluffy answer here. How does the United States of America look to those in Great Britain who may have looked on us favorably in the past?

Speaker 94 What does the average person think about what's happening over here?

Speaker 153 I think the average person is

Speaker 153 probably sees a lot of parallels, but it depends on the perspective.

Speaker 153 So I think what I found is that a lot of people that were in favour of Brexit, which was actually obviously the majority of the country in a democratic vote, had a lot of sympathies with Trump, not necessarily in terms of the particular policies he was advocating, but in terms of what he represented in regards to a kind of figure that is taking on the establishment, taking on these kinds of institutions that have been so entrenched.

Speaker 153 but not really dealing with the kind of issues that are plaguing so many people.

Speaker 153 And so I think a lot of people in Britain that supported Brexit have been very sympathetic towards that and do see parallels in terms of the way in which, you know, for example, in America, particularly the kind of radical left weaponized impeachment to try and in some ways, you know, subvert democracy,

Speaker 153 the way that many people, particularly on the radical left in America, were the most

Speaker 153 fervent in regards to the lockdown and things like that. So I think there are quite similar parallels.
But I think similar with here, it really depends on who you speak to.

Speaker 153 And I think, unfortunately, I think particularly the mainstream media in the UK don't always paint America with the most positive deception.

Speaker 153 But I think there's a growing number of people that do see through it and kind of see that a lot of the time that the way that the media represent political events in America and also in Britain is not actually the full scope of what is happening.

Speaker 126 I will tell you that I think we look at Great Britain, many of us look at Great Britain in the same exact way.

Speaker 121 While we didn't understand all the ins and outs of Brexit, we were with you because it seemed as though you were experiencing the same thing with a government that had just become abusive to the people.

Speaker 22 It doesn't matter what we say, they just do whatever they want anyway.

Speaker 99 It's that deep state is what it's being called over here.

Speaker 145 And

Speaker 10 it's happening all over the Western world, and it's really got to stop.

Speaker 32 It's got to stop.

Speaker 58 And I

Speaker 118 go ahead.

Speaker 153 No, I was just going to say, well, there's an election obviously coming up in November, and there was in America, and obviously in Britain, there was in December.

Speaker 153 So I think it's definitely through democracy and through arguments that we need to push back and not force the come to the kind of tactics of the radical left.

Speaker 12 So great talking to you.

Speaker 148 All the best of luck over in London and

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Speaker 94 I want to share with you just for a second

Speaker 39 why I said at the beginning of the hour, this is a great time to be alive.

Speaker 22 I don't want you to be discouraged.

Speaker 20 I think these people are burning themselves out.

Speaker 125 I think they know the end is near.

Speaker 129 I think they know that the

Speaker 16 Justice Department is on them.

Speaker 6 They're going to be exposed.

Speaker 112 They thought that they would be protected by the deep state.

Speaker 149 And indeed, if we have a change in

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Speaker 7 senate, if, God forbid, I can't imagine, Stu, help me.

Speaker 9 In what world does America vote for people who are

Speaker 74 standing with

Speaker 24 the protesters and the riots?

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Speaker 123 I just can't imagine it.

Speaker 54 The riots are obviously

Speaker 9 a further

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I mean, the protesters, I think a lot of people will get on. I mean,

Speaker 2 the idea of that Black Lives Matter means what their

Speaker 2 statement of values means to most people, I think is not accurate, right? Most people just say, well,

Speaker 2 I want to be nice to black people too. Why wouldn't I join these rallies?

Speaker 2 A lot of it is that, of course. But, you know, I think the only world where this happens is, you know, we are looking at an economy that is bouncing back, hopefully a little bit.

Speaker 2 How much does it bounce back? People generally, I think Trump is such a dominant figure. in this country that they are going to vote on whether they like Trump or not.

Speaker 2 Do they think he's doing a good job? Do they think

Speaker 2 their world is getting better? If, you know, there was there 40 million people who lost their job as far as the coronavirus situation goes.

Speaker 2 If 30 million of them have their jobs back and we're trending in the right direction, he's got a great chance.

Speaker 28 So I don't know.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know that they'll make the distinctions. I mean, Biden has come out, by the way, and said for what it's worth that he doesn't want to defund the police.

Speaker 2 So, you know, whatever that means, whether you believe him or not, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 19 Yeah, whatever.

Speaker 99 I think Kamala Harris is going to be his vice presidential nominee, too.

Speaker 2 It's such a weird pick in the middle of this, though.

Speaker 19 Lawn order.

Speaker 118 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that's exactly the problem, right? Like, the left is going crazy. They want to defund the police.

Speaker 2 One of the big reasons Kamala Harris didn't win the nomination is because she was a prosecutor, and then they're going to put her on the ticket. Like, that's really going to piss off people.

Speaker 121 Because you're going to have to have somebody that is going to look tough on crime.

Speaker 90 You cannot, they will lose hand over fist if they just placate this stuff and they're all for defunding the cops and everything else, they have to have a tough person, and it's not Biden.

Speaker 20 Nobody, Biden doesn't even know what he's talking about half the time.

Speaker 118 No, no, no, no, I do agree with you on that.

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Speaker 91 Did you see that?

Speaker 74 I didn't see that.

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Speaker 89 It's incredible, Stu.

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Speaker 118 There are a lot of quote-unquote facts that are going around.

Speaker 11 Sarah, do we happen to have any of the audio from the New York Times

Speaker 11 daily today?

Speaker 64 Go ahead and play this.

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Speaker 155 So John, what do these concepts defund, dismantle, abolish the police? What exactly do they mean?

Speaker 155 To defund, when activists say that, what they mean is taking money away from the police department's budget and redirect it toward other things, whether that be social services agencies, maybe mental health agencies that can do functions that police are often called on to do.

Speaker 155 But if you fully defund it, you can get to a space where the police department is abolished. And so essentially what that means is that there is no more police department as we know it.

Speaker 155 You don't call these men and women in blue shirts to come racing to your door with their guns in hand.

Speaker 155 It means that they have to figure out some other form of providing that public safety and the police department would not be that form. And where do these concepts come from?

Speaker 118 Well, at their core, they come from...

Speaker 32 Stop. I can't take it anymore.

Speaker 24 Listen to this.

Speaker 60 I mean, listen to the New York Times taking this seriously.

Speaker 22 Taking something that we have had since the beginning of time, police, and just throwing it out and saying, well, we're going to come up with something different.

Speaker 69 Well, I'd kind of like to know what.

Speaker 15 You know.

Speaker 41 But we could all hope for change.

Speaker 131 We've done it before, and didn't that work out well for us?

Speaker 129 The thing that this is all based on is how bad the cops are and how it's not getting any better.

Speaker 69 better, and they are killing kids and killing black people just on the side of the road at a record pace.

Speaker 94 That's what you have to believe.

Speaker 78 Raphael Mangual is with us now.

Speaker 125 He is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor of the City Journal.

Speaker 31 He says the toxic narrative about the police is absolutely wrong.

Speaker 120 Welcome, sir. How are you?

Speaker 146 I'm doing very well, Brian. How are you?

Speaker 120 I'm good.

Speaker 39 I'm going to play devil's advocate, and I'm going to bring Stu in for this, too.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 82 we want to push you on the stats because we have heard

Speaker 20 all of these press reports and all of these people saying how bad it is.

Speaker 22 So you go ahead and fill our head with these lies.

Speaker 122 How bad is it?

Speaker 58 out there.

Speaker 147 Well, you know, it is not anywhere close to what the activists say we're dealing with. And that's the most important takeaway here, okay?

Speaker 147 I think, you know, like any other human endeavor, policing is perfect, right? Police are human. They make mistakes.

Speaker 147 You know, sometimes those mistakes result in deaths. And some of those deaths reflect not just negligence, but sometimes even malevolence.

Speaker 147 There is such thing as a bad cop. There is such thing as evil that makes its way onto a police force.

Speaker 146 The question is, is how big?

Speaker 147 What is the scope of this problem?

Speaker 6 And

Speaker 147 the reality is that it is a problem that is far overblown compared to the rhetoric. I mean, consider just fatal encounters, for example, right?

Speaker 147 The Washington Post documented just over 1,000 shootings last year and 992 shootings in 2018. So that number has remained pretty steady.

Speaker 147 That year, police in general across the whole country fired their guns just over 3,000 times in 2018. Now this sounds like a lot, right?

Speaker 147 There's multiple shootings today involving police, but in a country of 330 million people with a police force of nearly 700,000 officers in full-time roles, not including reserve officers or part-time roles,

Speaker 147 that is an incredibly low amount, especially when you consider also that they make more than 10 million arrests in a given year, have almost 100 million police citizen contacts, right?

Speaker 147 So when we look at the full scope of the volume of police activity, what we see is that deadly encounters represent an infinitesimally small slice of an exceptionally large pie.

Speaker 147 At most, if you're looking at 10.3 million arrests, 0.003% of arrests result in the use of deadly force.

Speaker 147 That is not evidence of a pandemic of police violence. That is not evidence of a police force out of control.
And the case does not get any stronger when you look at non-fatal uses of force.

Speaker 147 One of the best studies I've seen on this is a study that was published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery.

Speaker 147 It looked at over a million calls for service across three mid-sized police departments, one in North Carolina, one in Louisiana, and one in Arizona.

Speaker 147 Those calls for service resulted in over 114,000 arrests.

Speaker 153 And in less than 1%

Speaker 147 of all those arrests was physical force used. And in 98% of the cases in which physical force was used, there was no discernible injury to the suspect whatsoever.

Speaker 147 There was only one instance in those 114,000 arrests of a fatal police shooting.

Speaker 147 Again,

Speaker 147 is some subset of that, does some subset of that reflect error? Does some subset of that use of force reflect malevolence? Perhaps. But the idea that this is that

Speaker 147 illegal police force can characterize the institution of policing as opposed to just reflecting the individual actions of what amount to statistically few bad apples.

Speaker 147 That is not a claim that can be sustained.

Speaker 46 Okay, so the Washington Post has said protests spread over police shootings.

Speaker 32 Police promise reforms.

Speaker 96 Every year, they still shoot and kill nearly 1,000 people.

Speaker 41 Police since 2015 have shot and killed 5,400 people.

Speaker 97 I mean, your stats are great, but

Speaker 81 what about the fact that this has been going over for decades decades and

Speaker 35 they're killing blacks at a much higher rate than they're killing whites?

Speaker 92 Right. Well,

Speaker 147 I'm going to start at the beginning of that question.

Speaker 147 One of the big flaws that the Washington Post suffers from in making that kind of claim is that they're basing it on their own data set, which only goes back to 2015.

Speaker 147 That is not a long period of time.

Speaker 147 The fact of the matter is, yes, we have had essentially steady rates of police shootings in 2015, but that does not mean that we have not had any progress on this front.

Speaker 147 Take, for example, some of the data out of the New York City Police Department. In 1971, when that department started to keep track, New York City police fired their guns 810 times.

Speaker 147 They wounded 221 people and killed 93 that year. In 2016, those numbers were down to just 72, 23, and 9, respectively.

Speaker 147 That is an enormous amount of progress that may not be captured in that short five-year window.

Speaker 147 One of my biggest pet peeves about this debate is that what the rhetoric has done

Speaker 147 is it has essentially positioned us to be underwhelmed by even meaningful progress.

Speaker 147 Because the fact of the matter is, is again, police are not perfect, but there isn't a whole lot of room for improvement when it comes to deadly force simply because of the fact that it is such a rare occurrence.

Speaker 147 Now, as for the fact that black Americans are disproportionately represented in police shooting numbers, that's true if you use their basis, if you use the denominator, which is their proportion of the population that they make up.

Speaker 147 But that, to me, is the wrong denominator. What we should be looking at are rates of violent crime.

Speaker 147 And we know, for example, that black Americans, despite constituting just 13% of the population, are responsible for more than 50% of all murders in the United States.

Speaker 147 And when you consider the fact that most of those murders, almost all of them, are committed by men, you get a stat that looks more like about 7% of the population being responsible for nearly 50% of all those homicides.

Speaker 147 It's that disproportionality that informs the disproportionate statistics that we see in police shootings and other uses of force.

Speaker 147 We cannot work around the reality that black men have a homicide commission rate that is about eight times that of their white counterparts. That is going to be reflected in this data, right?

Speaker 147 And I would ask any reasonable person to really just reflect on the following question, which is that do you honestly believe that police resources should be equally distributed across the United States without regard to crime rates?

Speaker 147 I don't think any reasonable person would answer that question in the affirmative.

Speaker 147 And so if you believe that police deploy that police resource deployment should reflect varying rates of violent crime, then it stands to reason that that deployment of resources is going to result in more contacts that police are going to have with black Americans simply by virtue of the racial disparities that we see in crime victimization and commission numbers.

Speaker 147 Again, on the victimization, everyone likes to focus on the enforcement disparities, but on the victimization disparities, a black American is six times more likely to be the victim of a homicide than a white American.

Speaker 147 No one talks about that disparity. To me, that is one of the most important disparities that our country needs to address.

Speaker 147 And police have been at the forefront of addressing that disparity for decades on end. And to lose sight of that,

Speaker 147 I think really truly reflects the fever pitch that we've reached in this debate. And I think truly reflects the major flaw in the left's argument on this topic.

Speaker 2 Raphael, I'm wondering if you could address one thing that is brought up a lot, which is the idea that there's been several studies that have showed that white police officers are equal or in some cases less likely to use force against

Speaker 2 black citizens when it comes to in a comparative way. So the idea that this is sort of fueled by racism,

Speaker 2 is there anything to prove that out?

Speaker 147 No,

Speaker 146 other than the facial disparities that people harp on, right?

Speaker 153 And that's the thing.

Speaker 147 Disparities on their own don't show intent. And intent is at the core of a claim of racism.

Speaker 147 And we have, as you mentioned, really fantastic econometric studies that have looked at these questions very deeply. Roland Fryer of Harvard University has done probably the best one.

Speaker 147 And what he found is that there is no evidence of racial animus driving deadly police force.

Speaker 147 And that makes sense because police deadly force is often used in situations that are extremely intense and that unfold within seconds.

Speaker 58 Police don't have time to consider someone's race in deciding whether

Speaker 147 to fire their weapons. I mean, one example of this is the shooting of Stephon Clark out in Sacramento almost two years ago.
This was a case of a guy who was shot

Speaker 147 holding just a cell phone that was apparently mistaken for a gun. It was pitch black when police encountered him.
He took off as soon as they approached him.

Speaker 147 They chased him into a backyard and thankfully

Speaker 147 the video captures

Speaker 147 the police's actions in this.

Speaker 147 You see them run up the driveway and as they break the threshold of the back of the house and turn into the backyard to chase the suspect, you see that the lead officer stops short, pulls his partner back behind cover, and then they fire their weapons from cover.

Speaker 147 That is not the action of an officer who is trying to murder someone he knows to be unarmed. That is the action of someone who has clearly made a mistake because of the darkness.

Speaker 147 And the idea that in those intense moments where someone believed that their life was in danger, they were calculating whether they were going to try and save their own lives based on the race of the suspect really just doesn't have any basis

Speaker 147 in the data, any the studies that we've seen, or in reality.

Speaker 8 All right, so I'm going to run out of time.

Speaker 126 I've only got about a minute left.

Speaker 126 What about things like,

Speaker 38 you know, chokeholds and resisting arrest?

Speaker 60 And I mean, if he wouldn't have died, police wouldn't, we wouldn't know about this.

Speaker 22 But the abuse would have still gone on.

Speaker 13 There are any stats on any of these things?

Speaker 32 Because the Washington Post says there's no stats on them.

Speaker 147 Well, no, that's not entirely true, right? The Bureau of Justice Statistics does

Speaker 146 do surveys of citizens who have had police encounters.

Speaker 147 And in those surveys, they asked citizens whether they were,

Speaker 147 for example, the victims of force that they felt to be excessive.

Speaker 147 And we see that only about 8% of those citizens who encounter, and this is encompassing more than 50,000 contacts, only about 8% of citizens express any kind of displeasure with their police interactions.

Speaker 147 And only a subset of that 8%

Speaker 147 are based on impressions of excessive force, which again have to be taken with a grain of salt because most people are not going to enjoy being on the enforcement end of a police encounter.

Speaker 146 And oftentimes

Speaker 147 their impressions of what's legal and what's not are erroneous. And so, yeah, again, I think that what we saw in the George Floyd video does reflect misconduct.
I do think it happens.

Speaker 147 I don't think police are perfect. But to say that that kind of misconduct characterizes the institution as a whole, I think, is just a cry too far.

Speaker 138 Rafael Mengual, thank you so much.

Speaker 99 He's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, contributing editor for the City Journal.

Speaker 86 Thanks for the information.

Speaker 11 On tomorrow's program, if you are a police officer, we want to hear from you from all over the country.

Speaker 11 And we want to hear from the leadership of the police officers.

Speaker 131 I don't know how you guys are still going to work every day in some of these cities.

Speaker 97 But God bless you.

Speaker 131 Thank you for the work that you do.

Speaker 8 That'll be on tomorrow's radio program, tomorrow night's television program.

Speaker 57 Who really is behind this? Who you say you stand with Black Lives Matter?

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Speaker 101 Hello, America, and welcome to Tuesday.

Speaker 38 So I have this, I have this sneaking suspicion that

Speaker 52 the killer of George Floyd just might be found not guilty.

Speaker 76 And here's why.

Speaker 52 Because

Speaker 54 the guy who is now leading the prosecution is Keith Ellison.

Speaker 88 Keith Ellison, we know, is a radical, an absolute radical.

Speaker 60 You would think that he would do everything he could to make sure this guy goes to jail, but maybe he's...

Speaker 110 Maybe he's just convinced of his own superpowers that he can convict all four of these guys in ways that most prosecutors say you shouldn't do that.

Speaker 136 Maybe he's just overzealous, or maybe it is worse than that. I want to talk to Andrew McCarthy.

Speaker 37 He is a guy that was former distant assistant U.S.

Speaker 60 Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

Speaker 53 He has led the terrorism prosecution against the blind sheik and 11 others.

Speaker 6 He went after those and got convictions for the World Trade Center bombings.

Speaker 61 He's a guy who's been around a while.

Speaker 62 Is this case

Speaker 113 under control?

Speaker 116 Are we going to get convictions or are we going to end up with maybe more and worse riots?

Speaker 81 Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 6 Right around election time. Andrew McCarthy, he's on with us in one minute.

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Speaker 90 All right, so I keep getting emails from my

Speaker 122 stockbroker, and they're like, you got to put your money back in the market.

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Speaker 69 Look at this.

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Speaker 75 Hey, can you give me the fundamentals on why the stock market is going up?

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Speaker 104 Do they?

Speaker 26 Because I talk to people every day, and the people I'm talking to are like, I don't know if America is going to be here next year.

Speaker 134 So, what is it that I'm missing?

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Speaker 56 Andy McCarthy, contributing editor, National Review, Senior Fellow for the National Review Institute.

Speaker 6 He has been on with us several times.

Speaker 34 Good friend of the program.

Speaker 113 Andy,

Speaker 87 you wrote a great piece for the National Review.

Speaker 39 The new Floyd Murder Charges will be tough to prove and may imperil good cops.

Speaker 125 As I'm reading it, what is happening with the prosecution seems nuts.

Speaker 46 Seems nuts.

Speaker 146 Yeah, Glenn, thanks so much for having me and calling attention to this.

Speaker 146 The case is kind of weirdly overcharged and undercharged at this point. And I keep having to kind of police myself because I have the same cynicism about Keith Ellison

Speaker 146 as I gather you do.

Speaker 95 And

Speaker 146 I need to kind of like try to put that in a box and just look at this in a clinical way rather than freighting it too much with what I think of him. So for what it's worth,

Speaker 146 on Chauvin, who's the main guy, of course,

Speaker 146 I think the second degree charge, the second degree murder charge that Ellison put in, which was sort of designed, at least politically, to say that they had ratcheted up the charges, is a reach.

Speaker 146 But it's not an impossible reach. And the thing I think we have to keep in mind is that the way they do their charges, and let's remember now, we have not seen an indictment yet.

Speaker 146 So far, these guys have only been charged in complaints. So we don't know what the final charges are going to look like.
But if they look like this, there'll be three different theories of murder.

Speaker 146 And just common sense says to me that a jury watching that last indefensible eight minutes is going to convict this guy of something.

Speaker 146 So to me, my complaint and my worry about the second degree charge, which is the felony murder theory, under which what he's basically saying is that when the cops first put hands on this guy, And as that whole situation evolved, that was an assault and

Speaker 146 Mr. Floyd later died.
So that's the felony murder theory. The felony is a third degree assault under Minnesota law.

Speaker 146 I think from a policy standpoint, that's a really dumb thing to do because it puts cops on the street, good cops, in fear of the idea that if they do the things you have to do in order to do effective policing, like use superior force,

Speaker 146 not egregious force or excessive force, but superior force against someone who's resisting arrest, you have to now worry that you could be charged with a felony.

Speaker 146 But that doesn't mean that juries don't do policy, they do the one case with the one

Speaker 146 defendant and one victim. I could see the jury convicting on that theory.
I think it's more likely they convict on his second theory, which is depraved indifference, because I think that's

Speaker 146 a good match for what their evidence is. That basically

Speaker 13 yeah, I have to tell you, Andy, I think that is where this whole thing meets.

Speaker 26 When I watched that, it didn't seem like I'm out to murder a guy.

Speaker 69 It looked like I don't really care.

Speaker 87 I mean, really, truly depraved indifference is

Speaker 18 what it appeared to be.

Speaker 146 Right.

Speaker 146 That's what I think, Blen. Now, I know people who practice law in Minnesota who tell me that there's some troublesome case law with that.

Speaker 146 And I know that, as a prosecutor, you have to worry about that stuff.

Speaker 146 When we, for what it's worth, I mean, when we indicted the blind shake a million years ago, there was some bad law in our circuit on attempted bombings and some other stuff that we had to worry about.

Speaker 146 But we really felt like, and I think the prosecutors here should feel like, their evidence is so strong in terms of the recklessness and depravity of that. I just cannot see a jury acquitting on that.

Speaker 144 Okay, so

Speaker 85 that's good news, right? Because he would go to jail.

Speaker 99 But would that be the second is

Speaker 34 depraved indifference part of the murder count of second-degree murder?

Speaker 146 It's third-degree murder. And, you know, Glenn, I think people are getting too hung up on, you know, they've watched too many episodes of Dragnet or Hawaii 5.0 or something.

Speaker 146 You know, if it's not Book of Murder One, that, you know, people are

Speaker 146 don't think it's serious enough because it doesn't sound serious enough. Murder three is murder.

Speaker 146 And I think if this guy gets convicted of murder, no one's going to remember that it was third degree murder.

Speaker 95 It's a murder charge.

Speaker 120 Correct.

Speaker 146 And sometimes.

Speaker 146 I was just going to say, sometimes categorically, you know, you go first, second, third because of seriousness.

Speaker 146 Sometimes it's just that the conduct is so different, they have to put it in a different section. of the statute.
It's not necessarily a reflection that it's not as serious as second degree.

Speaker 35 All right.

Speaker 57 And how much of a sentence does that usually get?

Speaker 20 How much time would this guy spend behind bars?

Speaker 146 Up to 25 years.

Speaker 8 Okay.

Speaker 8 Now, the other three.

Speaker 146 Second degree would be up to 40, just so you know. So that's, I mean, that's the difference we're talking about.

Speaker 58 Okay.

Speaker 89 So the other three,

Speaker 125 aiding and abetting.

Speaker 19 And in your article, you talk about how this one you have to run through hoops because

Speaker 74 they're also charged aren't are they not also charged with second degree

Speaker 146 they're charged with aiding and abetting both second degree and manslaughter and I think theoretically this is where you worry about Ellison being more of a you know a sort of a radical ideologue than a technical lawyer

Speaker 146 negligence

Speaker 146 manslaughter in Minnesota is negligent homicide and as we all know negligence means something happens happens that nobody intended, right?

Speaker 146 You're careless and something that you didn't foresee, but you should have, that's terrible, happens. You're careless, it causes a risk and a guy dies.

Speaker 146 Aiding and abetting liability means that the accomplice, who's the aider and abetter,

Speaker 146 has to understand what the principal is trying to accomplish. and then join himself and did something active to bring it about.
Well, no one tries to accomplish negligence.

Speaker 146 So

Speaker 146 I have a problem with the theory of aiding and abetting being matched up with negligence, but I think he would have been fine and he would still be fine when they ultimately indict if he indicts them not as aiders and abetters, but as principals, because at least the two guys who were holding Floyd down along with Chauvin, they had to know what they were doing was careless and wrong, if not depraved.

Speaker 146 And

Speaker 146 I think

Speaker 146 you could convict them just as

Speaker 146 people who committed manslaughter rather than trying to go through the mental hoops of did they understand what Chauvin was trying to accomplish and how did they try to join? You know, I mean,

Speaker 146 that kind of mental gymnastics is, I think, overcomplicating, which should be a pretty straightforward question.

Speaker 25 Yeah, and how do you prove that any of them were trying to accomplish killing this guy?

Speaker 25 Oh,

Speaker 146 I think that's a great point because the evidence that's in the complaint suggests the contrary. You know, these bird brains didn't do what they should have done to stop this from happening.

Speaker 146 But at least one of them says to Chauvin, you know, don't you think we ought to roll this guy over on his shoulder?

Speaker 146 Or, you know, I'm a little bit worried that he's going to go into, you know, various forms of medical distress.

Speaker 146 And Chauvin, who's the 19-year veteran and is the senior guy out there, says, no, no, no, that's why we're leaving him on his

Speaker 146 stomach as he continued to sit on the guy's neck.

Speaker 58 Right. So how?

Speaker 146 That guy's going to be able to say, I I wasn't trying to kill the guy. You know, when you're trying to kill the guy,

Speaker 146 you don't ask, do you think he's doing okay? Do you think we should roll him over?

Speaker 146 I don't mean side of it. I just, I just, you know, the defense lawyers are going to have a field day with that sort of stuff.
But I think if you charge them with this is negligent homicide,

Speaker 146 the prosecutor's position is, look, you can't continue to sit on the guy's back

Speaker 146 with somebody sitting on his neck two minutes after he has no pulse.

Speaker 146 You know, even if you didn't have the worst of intentions, that's careless. That's manslaughter.
That's what we have manslaughter for.

Speaker 146 And stop worrying. You know,

Speaker 146 don't charge the case in a way where you have to prove what these guys must have thought Chauvin was trying to accomplish.

Speaker 12 I've been on a jury before, Andrew, and

Speaker 69 we wanted to

Speaker 75 send this guy away for a very long time.

Speaker 135 All of us knew he did it.

Speaker 85 Most of us knew he did it.

Speaker 21 And just had a feeling that we were going to release this guy out into the wilderness.

Speaker 22 But we could not agree that the charge was the right charge.

Speaker 6 And we're like,

Speaker 8 that's not right.

Speaker 40 And, you know, we kind of even danced around, well,

Speaker 31 shouldn't we just give it to him anyway?

Speaker 102 Because he's going to get out and do it.

Speaker 69 No, no.

Speaker 42 And it's a very different thing in a jury room if they screw this up and charge them.

Speaker 85 I don't know if this is unique with jurors, but that was my experience.

Speaker 20 We didn't go in there.

Speaker 66 We went in there thinking this is a very bad guy, but it doesn't match what they're telling us to do.

Speaker 32 And they're telling us specifically it's got to be X, Y, and Z.

Speaker 78 Well, that doesn't fit.

Speaker 146 Yeah, Glenn, that's my experience with the jury system, 20 years of being a trial lawyer, all as a prosecutor.

Speaker 146 Juries are really very, as a general matter, you can always find outliers, but they're very conscientious. They follow the evidence closely.

Speaker 146 They really do do what the courts tell them to do as a general matter, and they don't convict people.

Speaker 146 even though the evidence can be horrifying if it doesn't match up what the judge tells them has to be proved. So

Speaker 146 you're right to be concerned about how this case gets charged.

Speaker 138 One last question.

Speaker 22 Is there anything that the feds can do just in case?

Speaker 11 I mean, I know I'm very, very,

Speaker 20 you know, I'm just pessimistic when it comes to Keith Ellison, and I don't trust him.

Speaker 65 And it would be very, very good for a radical to have this just, you know,

Speaker 149 in the last moment slip away and then they they walk free.

Speaker 20 Is there anything that the feds can be doing at the same time?

Speaker 99 So, God forbid they screw it up at the state level.

Speaker 149 It's not a walk away, he's free.

Speaker 146 Yes, they are conducting a civil rights investigation. Now,

Speaker 146 that's a tougher proof than a straightforward state murder prosecution because you have to prove an intent basically to discriminate and to deprive somebody of their constitutional rights and their legal rights.

Speaker 146 So it's a tougher case to prove, but they would get,

Speaker 146 if they think they can make that, they can get a second bite at the apple because we have what's known as the dual sovereignty doctrine.

Speaker 146 It's an exception to double jeopardy, and it basically means the feds and the state are different sovereigns.

Speaker 146 So just because you get acquitted in the state, the state can't prosecute you again, but the feds could.

Speaker 85 Okay. Andrew, thank you so much.
I appreciate it.

Speaker 15 Andrew McCarthy contributing editor to the National Review.

Speaker 86 I find it really interesting that what I'm worried about is exactly what RFK was worried about, just in a different way.

Speaker 22 He was worried about these cases going down and the

Speaker 22 prosecutors botching the case and the jury just, you know,

Speaker 126 doing what they want to do because they were all white.

Speaker 99 I'm worried about the same thing.

Speaker 22 He was worried about the guys walking free that did the crime.

Speaker 89 I'm worried about the same thing, and I'm worried about the prosecution just for a different reason, because I think this guy is a radical.

Speaker 128 And God forbid this is true.

Speaker 125 I hate even saying it, but it's just, I mean, you're telling me crazier things aren't happening now?

Speaker 60 That this thing is overcharged, and they

Speaker 126 fail on the prosecution, and we have a massive, massive problem on our hands.

Speaker 99 I hope the federal government is watching this closely.

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Speaker 82 Stu Bergeer is with us. Stu just did a show last night.

Speaker 121 Stu Does, what was it last night?

Speaker 2 Stu Does Defunding the Police was last night's episode.

Speaker 150 And he went over all of the stats that you're hearing today and how these stats are misused or misunderstood.

Speaker 6 The problem is not

Speaker 135 as it is stated by the New York Times and everybody else.

Speaker 16 It's just not.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can watch the whole thing if you go to YouTube and just search for Stu. It will be the first show there.

Speaker 2 But if you go there and you check it out, one of the things I think is interesting is we can all come together and say an individual thing happened to this individual, George Floyd, that should be punished by the law.

Speaker 2 And I don't know if anyone's noticed this. We've charged four people,

Speaker 113 including murder.

Speaker 2 So we've done some of this already. The idea is how do you expand this into a much larger

Speaker 2 societal ill? And while we've had problems with this before, here's something where we've made real progress.

Speaker 2 We've actually almost completely solved it to the point of something like six or seven times as many people die from interactions with lawnmowers every year than die for as an unarmed black person being killed by police.

Speaker 71 And when you think of the number of people that are involved

Speaker 16 with the police and how violent those things could get, that's a remarkable stat.

Speaker 2 Remarkable stat. And I have to say this, it's about 20 times as many people die of constipation, which sounds like a terrible way to go.

Speaker 2 I mean, I don't know know, even I don't know what the mechanics of that are, but that sounds awful.

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Speaker 8 Welcome to the Glenbeck program from the Standing Rock Ranch.

Speaker 13 We're glad you're here. You miss a minute of this show.

Speaker 150 You miss a lot.

Speaker 46 We have not had a chance to get to some of the insane arguments put together by these protesters who are now,

Speaker 79 I guess, in charge of

Speaker 100 Minneapolis and

Speaker 73 the new police force that they can't really describe.

Speaker 69 It is madness, madness.

Speaker 16 Wolf Blitzer had the Minneapolis City Council president, Lisa Bender, and vice president Andrea Jenkins on

Speaker 108 yesterday and was trying to get to the bottom of, okay, so what does this all mean?

Speaker 107 How is policing without police going to work exactly?

Speaker 90 Listen.

Speaker 157 What happens if there's a criminal out there with a gun and starts shooting people? Who's going to respond if there's no police force?

Speaker 50 Look, it is our top priority to keep every single member of our community safe.

Speaker 50 And if you look back at the last 150 years of our police department, it is becoming increasingly clear that that model of policing isn't working. So we need to invite in our whole community.

Speaker 50 The nine members of the city council that came from every corner of our city to stand together to make this commitment, we don't have all

Speaker 50 and what we committed to was a community process to help reimagine public safety.

Speaker 69 Okay, we're going to reimagine.

Speaker 8 Public safety.

Speaker 21 Now, I don't know about you, but I get a lot of confidence of this from this woman sitting in, I think, in her dorm room

Speaker 89 or, you know, her apartment that looks like she's still in college in a dorm room.

Speaker 144 And the other woman who is also city council, who is sitting next to her, who looks like she just doesn't give a flying crap that she's on television or anything else.

Speaker 16 I'm filled with confidence between these two.

Speaker 113 I kind of like it.

Speaker 145 They're going to work it out.

Speaker 2 I kind of like her because she's adopting our approach. Like, we obviously don't care what we look like when we're on television.
We've given up.

Speaker 2 So she's kind of like, she's looking around. She's not even looking at the the camera.

Speaker 113 I like her approach.

Speaker 2 I almost feel, though, that her answer was.

Speaker 78 She looks like, although, wait, wait, she does look like her husband. Put her back on.

Speaker 55 Like her husband gave her a COVID haircut.

Speaker 58 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 67 I don't know if you've seen people who are getting COVID haircuts from their spouse and they're like, oops, I just shaved half your head.

Speaker 58 Yeah.

Speaker 78 No, it's going to look great.

Speaker 55 She does look like she just got a COVID haircut.

Speaker 2 There's two looks basically on television right now, which is the, you know, the look that you got a bad haircut from your your spouse, or the one where you said, I don't want a bad haircut from my spouse, so I'm just going to let it grow and just let it flow.

Speaker 2 I had that one going on for about three months, only recently. Thank you.

Speaker 113 I've got that one in Texas. I was able to solve that.

Speaker 8 I've got that one going on right now because I'm living like a mountain man up in the mountains. So I've got that one going on.

Speaker 57 And I also have the really extra, which neither of these ladies have a problem with, the

Speaker 54 what I like to call it the COVID-40.

Speaker 107 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 40 Where it started as a COVID-19 where you might gain 19 pounds. I may have gained 40.

Speaker 97 But

Speaker 34 it is not pretty, man.

Speaker 58 This is not.

Speaker 2 No, it's not.

Speaker 2 My wife has this issue where she gets stressed out. She stops eating.
I was like, I want that issue so badly.

Speaker 58 So badly.

Speaker 2 That's a superpower. It's not an issue.
Like if I could have that issue, I just create more stress in my life and everything would be fine.

Speaker 2 Instead, I'd go the opposite direction. Glenn, I just wanted to real quick address the actual policy that she outlined there, which was almost too specific.

Speaker 58 I almost felt I was overwhelmed

Speaker 58 with detail. Yeah.

Speaker 116 Yeah, she got down into the.

Speaker 40 You know, she did what all of these wonks do.

Speaker 62 You know, you just get into the details and you lose me.

Speaker 98 I know.

Speaker 2 I mean, I get, I mean, legitimately, his question was: okay, someone is shooting people actively in the middle of the square. What happens?

Speaker 2 We're going to bring the community together, including the city council people, to determine how to. Because this old form of policing doesn't work.
It works pretty well to put down active shooters.

Speaker 58 I don't think it, you know, it's funny. It does.
Everyone was like, oh, gosh,

Speaker 2 they've been killing so many people indiscriminately. And then they give you, look at this number.
There's been nine of these people.

Speaker 2 For example, they say unarmed black men has been this topic we've been talking about lately. And they go through the shootings.
And I believe there was nine shootings of unarmed black men in 2019.

Speaker 2 Which, look, in a country of 330 million,

Speaker 2 I know every one of them is terrible, but you know, like it's 330 million. As we pointed out, you know, I think it's 64 people a year die

Speaker 2 from interactions with lawnmowers. 700 people a year in the United States die from falling off their bed.

Speaker 2 At some level, you can't eliminate every single instance of something.

Speaker 41 Yeah, you know, if you were betting on something and your odds were 350 million to nine,

Speaker 31 You wouldn't expect to win.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 So one of the people, though, in that nine

Speaker 2 was a person who previously had an actual shootout with police in the past. And then the police were having another interaction with this person.

Speaker 2 And this person told police he had a gun and was going to kill them.

Speaker 2 They then killed him. And later on found out he didn't actually have a gun.
He was lying. That's an unarmed shooting of a black man in America.
So we say nine, but many of them,

Speaker 2 it seems like more than half of them, I think it was five of the nine, seemed completely justified given the surrounding circumstances.

Speaker 2 It's not always easy to just say, oh, well, an unarmed person died.

Speaker 69 You know, you don't know.

Speaker 58 Like, another person had their gun, but they had it in their car.

Speaker 8 No, shut up.

Speaker 117 Shut up.

Speaker 15 I don't want to hear any of this white propaganda that you just keep spilling out.

Speaker 15 I want to go back to the one inner dorm room on the city council that was with Allison Camerada, who I don't know how dead inside she's had to go, but she's still working at CNN and she shows no expression on her face during this dialogue.

Speaker 127 Listen to this.

Speaker 158 Do you understand that the word dismantle or police free also makes some people nervous? For instance, what if in the middle of the night my home is broken into?

Speaker 2 Who do I call?

Speaker 50 Yes, I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors.

Speaker 50 And I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.

Speaker 98 Okay.

Speaker 98 All right.

Speaker 102 So when I call 911, they just say,

Speaker 107 right, it was great when this worked.

Speaker 20 No one's coming.

Speaker 32 Now, I want you to contemplate that.

Speaker 44 Is that what happens? Because I'm not really...

Speaker 45 Think of how insanely difficult the talking points have to be to weave through some abstract excuse for getting rid of the police

Speaker 59 and then some abstract idea that what we're doing is, well, we want you to think about and it's going to be great because we have the community.

Speaker 26 I don't know anyone who can do that.

Speaker 46 It makes no sense.

Speaker 71 It's something that only a four-year-old would come up with.

Speaker 141 And it has to be explained into policy and sold to the nation.

Speaker 79 It cannot be done. Now,

Speaker 107 imagine Joe Biden

Speaker 88 is the delivery person for that message.

Speaker 117 May I just play just a little bit on how he was dealing yesterday with the protesters?

Speaker 40 And I hope you are watching on Blaze TV.

Speaker 58 This is good with sound, but it's so much better on camera.

Speaker 113 Watch.

Speaker 4 The act of protesting

Speaker 118 should never be allowed to

Speaker 4 overshadow the reason for the protest.

Speaker 4 The act of protesting should

Speaker 4 never be allowed to overshadow the reason for the protest in the first place. Uh-huh.

Speaker 58 Okay, got it. And I warned you tomorrow night in Wilmington, for example.

Speaker 115 There's a lot of really good people.

Speaker 159 I'm going to be out. I'm not going to be here.
I'm going to be

Speaker 4 up in Pennsylvania.

Speaker 159 But tomorrow night,

Speaker 4 what I worry a little bit about is you and many others are going to be out there protesting legitimately for change.

Speaker 4 But we can't allow the protesting to overshadow. the purpose of the protests.

Speaker 58 Got it.

Speaker 113 Okay, now if you are not.

Speaker 56 Yeah, if you're not watching that, you missed how great that is.

Speaker 116 Not only did he say the same exact same thing three times,

Speaker 60 he was looking down at his lap like he had that written down on a card sitting on his lap.

Speaker 105 He had no idea what he's talking about.

Speaker 129 So here you guys, here you have a guy who is as white as chalk, doesn't know what day it is, diarrhea of the mouth.

Speaker 68 He gets into a major league debate with Donald Trump on the

Speaker 74 stage, and

Speaker 74 he has to weave his way through this

Speaker 44 protest, Black Lives Matter, through that entire minefield without talking about

Speaker 79 corn pop or his

Speaker 113 leg hair.

Speaker 58 This is going to be the most delicious meal we've ever had.

Speaker 2 I totally disagree with your analysis on whether he should bring up corn pop or the leg hair.

Speaker 113 I think that's just he should leave with it every time.

Speaker 113 Every time.

Speaker 68 I'm telling you, he's going to get into a debate. He won't know what to do.

Speaker 59 He won't know where he is.

Speaker 70 He'll be looking down at his notes.

Speaker 104 He'll be so awkward and white.

Speaker 68 And then he'll just think corn pop and he'll tell the damn story.

Speaker 58 I mean, you may watch that video

Speaker 2 because it is a, and obviously they've...

Speaker 2 They've specifically designed a phrase, which they believe is not offensive to Black Lives Matter or any of their supporters, but also can indicate, you know, maybe we do need a policeman or two, essentially.

Speaker 2 So we don't want the protests to overshadow the very important thing. It's not that we are against burning down police precincts.

Speaker 2 We're just saying that might overshadow the wonderful thing you're doing when you're protesting.

Speaker 23 Are you telling me that you think that somebody in this audience didn't get it on the third time that Joe?

Speaker 58 Well, you had to come back and explain it a fourth? really?

Speaker 58 Well,

Speaker 119 I think it's true. It's a fair point.

Speaker 2 I'll grant you, but he butchered it so badly, I didn't know if it made any sense to anyone.

Speaker 91 Okay, thank you very much.

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Speaker 152 Breaching the gate at the 3rd 30. Looters lit fires during another night of violent protest.

Speaker 95 The violence.

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Speaker 5 Hello, America. This is the Glenn Beck program.

Speaker 126 My name is Glenn Beck.

Speaker 85 Stu Bergier is here.

Speaker 113 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And basically, what I was trying to say there is that there was this idea that the protests themselves

Speaker 69 will overshadow.

Speaker 69 I get it.

Speaker 70 I get it. The protests because of the mayhem are overshadowing the cry for help.

Speaker 94 I think everybody got it the first time time he said it.

Speaker 2 And you may have actually understood that. I think my larger point here.

Speaker 78 Okay, I'm looking for it. Yeah.

Speaker 58 Is that

Speaker 2 they felt the need to put that on a card for this man. That is a very basic concept that he should be able to explain over and over again without ever looking at a card.

Speaker 2 But they were so worried he would go off script and start talking about corn pop and leg hair.

Speaker 2 They had to write the exact phrasing, and he's so nervous about it, he has to check it over and over again.

Speaker 54 Could I take this elevator down one more floor?

Speaker 81 Sure.

Speaker 98 To someplace closer to hell?

Speaker 98 What if it wasn't them, his aides, that wrote it down?

Speaker 129 What if it was him thinking, I've got a genius thing.

Speaker 22 I've got to say this and I can't forget to say this.

Speaker 107 That

Speaker 70 was the thing that drove him.

Speaker 90 He was like, I am going to master this interview because I got it down.

Speaker 2 It's very possible and very scary. You know, every once in a while, they catch, they have the over-the-shoulder shot of Trump where

Speaker 2 he's crossed something out in a speech and he writes what he wants to say in big letters. Can you imagine what Joe Biden's cards look like?

Speaker 2 I mean, it probably says like squirrels and possums and leg hair and Oreos and like I would have no idea.

Speaker 120 Corpod, Corpod, Corpod.

Speaker 60 I think we should, we should imagine that.

Speaker 8 Maybe on tomorrow's program, we should imagine that.

Speaker 130 I'm just saying.

Speaker 5 Also on tomorrow's program, we are going to do

Speaker 18 police officers.

Speaker 10 I'd love to have the police officers from all around the country phone in, tell us why you're still going to work, quite honestly,

Speaker 148 and

Speaker 11 how you're feeling.

Speaker 15 That'll be on tomorrow's program.

Speaker 82 Yes.

Speaker 74 Cindy?

Speaker 160 Hi, yes. I just wanted to say I don't understand why you don't get what Stu's saying.
He's just simply saying the protests are

Speaker 118 that they would overshadow

Speaker 113 thank you very much, Cindy.

Speaker 113 Why are you I think we all

Speaker 144 get it?

Speaker 58 What I'm saying is, let me know.

Speaker 119 Hey, Stu, can I ask Stu.

Speaker 62 Can I ask Stu

Speaker 117 a question on

Speaker 46 the poll numbers?

Speaker 38 Everybody's freaking out about Donald Trump's poll numbers.

Speaker 71 I don't think they mean crap right now.

Speaker 118 Yeah, I'm kind of withy on that.

Speaker 2 I mean, taking if we were in a normal election year, it would be very reasonable to to panic. The polls are very bad.

Speaker 2 To give you a quick outline of it, the worst the polls ever showed between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton was eight points that Hillary led by, and it was mostly like three or four and bounced back and forth between eight and basically a tie.

Speaker 2 It's been an average of eight the entire time against Biden and is now worse than that. But you can't take out of the picture the context of the moment.

Speaker 2 Trump hasn't even attempted to attack Biden yet. No one is focusing on this election yet.
So I think at this point,

Speaker 58 he could be at nuclear war with Zimbabwe in a week, and it wouldn't be surprising.

Speaker 92 There's a lot of time left.