A World Without Police | Guests: Sen. Tom Cotton & Andrew McCarthy | 6/9/20

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Minnesota is shutting down the police force.

That is so,

that is so great.

That's, you know, they don't know exactly what they're going to do yet, but this is fantastic.

What a great move forward.

Seattle police sources now confirm that preparations are underway to abandon the East Precinct.

You know, they're taking items of value out, guns.

They're also shredding documents of anything that they have in there.

They say they're not going to give it up, but

they're not going to just hand it over,

but they're moving the trucks in to get everything out of there.

So, in case they have to.

Meanwhile, a Black Lives Matter leader in New York City says they are now training and being trained by former members of special forces, and they are now ready to mobilize a paramilitary force to stop police brutality on the streets.

That is fantastic.

Finally, some justice.

We get some Black Panthers, Black Lives Matter guys on the streets with guns.

Oh,

it's going to be fixed.

I'm so excited about this.

You know,

Stu, is it just me or is there a part of you that says, I'm going to get a bowl of popcorn and just watch?

Oh, it would be fascinating to take in.

I could tell you this, there wouldn't be another minute I would show up on the job if I was a Minneapolis police officer.

I wouldn't even consider

showing up.

And that's because I'm a terrible person.

Until I had my family out,

I would show up for work.

But then, I mean, I have to tell you, I don't know why.

And tomorrow, I think I want to do a show just with police officers.

Just all police officers.

So I want to hear from you.

That'll be tomorrow.

We're trying to get some leadership on from the police departments around.

So if you have police unions or anybody else that you think we should talk to, you let us know, tweet us.

But

I've been thinking about, there's no way I would show up for any of this stuff.

I mean, they're like, oh, you don't like it?

And I would do everything I could to walk out en masse.

I'd be like, okay, all right.

You know what?

You don't want us.

You want to defund us.

We're all getting fired anyway, guys.

We're going on strike.

We're leaving.

We don't need this.

And I would just leave.

Let's go ahead.

Show people what it's like without police officers.

It's insanity.

It's insanity.

Yeah, it really, really is.

And I keep thinking to myself,

what do they want to happen here?

Are they arguing for a well-regulated militia?

Is that what they're doing?

Yeah, basically.

Yeah, that's basically what they're doing.

Because it would be interesting.

You could actually theoretically attempt this, right, if you had a Second Amendment that you stood behind.

But now they've taken the guns away and now the police away from the people most likely to be murdered in cities.

the ones they're sitting here complaining about it, and then they're taking away everybody's ability to defend themselves or have someone else defend them.

So now they're in this position with no possibility of fighting back against a criminal element.

How does that work out?

Not well.

Well, you know,

we've done some investigation and we've done some work

yesterday

on

the events events of the weekend and events of the day.

And I want you to know 2020 is the year of

who the hell knows where this all started or where it's going, but sure looks like it's out of hand,

which is kind of harder to deal with the New York Times opinion section, which for some reason has completely imploded now.

And

you're not getting any perspective.

I listened.

Did you listen to the New York Times daily today?

No, no, I didn't.

It was.

You have to.

It's fun.

It's fun.

I'm listening to it.

I'm like, these people are all insane.

They're insane.

You know, they're talking about defunding the police and what's next.

And they're talking about it as if it's logical.

Okay.

Has this been tried anywhere?

Have you done this anywhere?

We're going to just try this out on major U.S.

cities.

Doesn't sound like a good idea, but whatever.

So the New York Times, they've just gone off the rails.

The sane voices at the New York Times is the renegade centress Barry Weiss, who said this on Twitter about the drama inside the New York Times.

The civil war inside the New York Times between the mostly young wokes and the mostly 40-plus liberals is the same one raging inside other publications and companies across the country.

The dynamic is always the same.

Hang on just a second.

So, the 20-some wokes and the 40-plus liberals, where the conservative...

Oh, I forgot I was talking about the New York Times.

Anyway, so they're in civil war now.

So what caused this rupture?

Well,

it was an op-ed piece in the New York Times.

You know,

was it the op-ed that was titled, My New Vagina Won't Make Me Happy?

No, no.

Or how about pedophilia is a disorder, not a crime?

Or this one about transgenderism at airports in which the author accuses the TSA of transphobia.

Or was it the op-ed that wants to know, why is Europe so Islamophobic?

Or any of the

radical op-eds about gun control, like, this is one of my favorites, the iconic man with a gun is a white man.

I like that one because it takes gun control and it links guns to racism, which I always love.

But it's not my my favorite.

My favorite may be the glowing birthday letter to Karl Marx that the New York Times put out on their op-ed page.

So

it wasn't any of those.

You know, Nicole Hannah-Jones, perhaps best known as the Spike Lee of journalism, whose special attention to reinventing American history, stormed Twitter to say, I'll probably get in trouble for this, but to not say something would be immoral.

As a black woman, as a a journalist, as an American, I'm deeply ashamed that we ran this op-ed.

Oh, which one was it?

By the way, Nicole Hannah Jones, she won the Pulitzer Prize for the 1619 project.

And I have to tell you, if I had known all you had to do was get it, to get a Pulitzer Prize was to write, you know, Black Panther as a racist historic account of America.

And I would have lied my way to journalistic privilege years ago.

Who knew it was that easy?

Also, Jasmine Hughes, the author of such riveting stories as Eight Forgettable Things You Can Learn from Cardi B at Lunch, or White People Are Co-opting Black People's Jokes About White People.

Well, yesterday Jasmine said,

as if it weren't already hard enough to be a black employee of the New York Times.

I know.

I can hear the, ooh, listen.

Can you hear it?

Yes.

I can hear the cracks of the whips from the editors of the New York Times on the backs of all of their employees.

It's, well, all of their black employees.

I didn't mean to assume that they would whip their white employees.

What a sweatshop, slave shop, and racist place that is.

Anyway,

she's thrown down on Twitter, and I'm not going to, I'm just not even going to, because it kind of makes you gag.

It does a little bit when you're, then, of course, we have Sarah Jong,

the editor for the opinion section.

She's got wonderful racist tweets.

She was

she was

very upset that they ran this New York Times op-ed.

New York Times writer Kyle Buchanan tweeted, running this op-ed puts blacks at the New York Times staff in danger.

And it's dumb.

Wow.

actually he used an F word too but I can't pronounce it because it seems pretty intellectual when he uses it so what is the article we told you about it yesterday was it the article can my children be friends with white people

no that was not racist or Mary Poppins and a nanny's shameful flirting with blackface which blasts fictional characters about blackface but you know don't have a single word about Justin Trudeau's public blackface fetish.

It doesn't say anything.

Could it be, I shouldn't have to tell you this is racist, a guide on discerning racist microaggressions.

Or social distancing is a privilege in which the author blames white people for the fact that COVID-19 is disproportionately fatal to blacks.

Or the New York Times op-ed, and the Oscar goes to white people.

Or this one from the editorial board itself.

Why does the U.S.

military celebrate white supremacy?

Which actually tries to argue that the military celebrates white supremacy.

Or this one about

prejudicial car loans,

new cars, old racism.

Wow.

This one, racism is real and Trump helps show it.

Or maybe this one, guns and racism about white supremacy in the gun lobby.

Or this one, Confederate flags and institutional racism.

With a new creative definition of racism,

let me quote: Furthermore, institutional racism doesn't require the enlisting of individual racists.

The machine does the discriminating.

It provides a remove, a space between the

unpleasantness of racial discrimination and indeed hatred and the ultimate, undeniable, and for some desirable outcome of structural oppression.

Wow.

So which

one was so dangerous and so crazy that they couldn't print, that they had to apologize for, get rid of one of their editors?

Well,

our next guest is going to be talking about, and I dare I even say it, I could be on the wheel of termination today.

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The New York Times, it was actually not about race, what they did.

It was

an op-ed penned by Senator Tom Cotton.

Not about race.

Stu,

what is the stereotypical thing people, slaves, picked in slave days?

Oh my gosh, it's his last name.

His last name.

Is that crazy?

I mean, how do you not see that one?

Anyway, he wrote the op-ed, send in the troops.

Senator Cotton wrote, not surprisingly, public opinion is on the side of law enforcement and law and order, not insurrectionalists.

According to a recent poll, 58% of registered voters, including nearly half of Democrats, 37% of African Americans, would support cities calling in the military to address the protests and demonstrations that are in response to the death of George Floyd.

That opinion may not appear often in chic salons, but widespread support for this fact nonetheless.

The American people are not blind to injustices in our society, but they know the basic responsibility of government is to maintain public order and safety.

Oh,

the New York Times had to come out and immediately apologize.

The editor's note was, I think as long as the editorial, it didn't really say much, but I just want to give you highlights of it.

After publication, this essay met strong criticism from many readers and many times colleagues, prompting editors to review the piece and editing process.

Based on our review, we've concluded that the essay fell short of our standards and should not have been published.

Beyond the factual questions that were in there, the tone of the essay in places was needlessly harsh and falls short of the thoughtful approach that advances useful debate.

Oh.

Okay, so more like the op-ed,

my children can be friends with white people.

It's actually a question.

I don't know if they actually solve that one.

Or my new vagina won't make me happy.

Or the birthday letter to Karl Marx.

Something more based in reality, truth, and not offensive.

Okay, okay, okay.

Okay, I think I have it.

Now, besides the Republicans are racist and conservatives are too dumb to tell the truth from lies, the main critique that the New York Times activist journalist had about his article was that op-eds have a duty to truth behind the ideology.

Oh,

okay.

All right, so we have a duty to truth.

Hmm.

So what about the op-eds that have appeared in the New York Times in response to George Floyd's protests?

protests,

you know, despite the previous hysteria about people staying indoors because of lockdown measures?

In America, protest is patriotic.

Now, this one was posted by the editorial board on June 2nd as dozens of American cities burned down.

You know, just for the hell of it.

What did the New York Times have to say about the anti-lockdown protests just a month earlier?

The right sends in the quacks by Paul Krugman.

Or this one, The Coronavirus and Conservative Mind, which paints conservatives as unhinged conspiracy theorists who blame COVID-19 on Hillary Clinton, which I hadn't heard and didn't think of, but that'd be kind of fun to noodle today.

I could go on and on and on, but I don't need to because Tom Cotton is coming up in just a few minutes.

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My name is Hawk Newsom

Newsome Hawk Newsome He's the chairman of Black Lives Matter Greater New York.

I love to have this guy on.

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His black rights group is now, according to him, mobilizing its base and aims to develop a highly trained military arm to challenge police brutality head-on.

Now, he just did an exclusive interview with somebody, I don't even know who.

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And they say that Black Lives Movement has marched for years to wake people up to the realities of police brutality and oppression.

And he believes that people have finally awoken.

And it's our obligation, it's our duty to provide people with a pathway forward.

We want liberation.

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You don't have that in America, huh?

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And we prepare to stop these government-sanctioned murders by any means necessary.

That's why we are preparing and training our people to defend our communities.

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again,

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I cannot believe we have this guy on just based on his last name,

Cotton.

What does that make you think of?

You think,

anyway,

we have Senator Tom Cotton on with us now who has said just things that should not be said at the New York Times, things that,

well,

I think most people agree with, but you can't say those things anymore.

Senator, welcome.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn.

Hey, Glenn, good to be on with you.

So, Senator, I have to tell you, the world has gone

insane.

the left the uh the media i heard the new york times today talking about how having a serious conversation with somebody about well what so what happens when you get rid of the police in uh minnesota well you know we don't know exactly yet but we're going to work it out and it's going to be great i mean we're talking about major u.s cities just saying i'm done with the police this is nuts

glenn this is this is what happens when you have a newsroom like the new york times apparently does, or a city like Minneapolis and its mayor that are run by people who think the real world is a social justice seminar on a college campus.

Right.

I can tell you what happens when you don't have the police.

You have anarchy.

I mean, you literally have anarchy because there is no common authority to both enforce the law and be constrained by the law.

That's what will happen in Minnesota or in some of these other major cities where the Democratic mayors and city councils were talking about slashing police budgets, like in Los Angeles and New York.

The police are what stand between civilization and anarchy.

And we need police departments that are well-funded, well-resourced, well-trained, so that are protected.

I cannot believe.

Wait a minute.

I cannot believe we're having this conversation.

You don't have to tell me or anybody in this audience.

I'm just listening to you saying, you know, police departments are important.

Of course they are.

Of course they are.

I just can't believe that we are here at this point.

But

look, Lynn, at what happened with the New York Times.

So as you said, the New York Times is in total meltdown and it has suffered an internal collapse because

its senior leaders decided to publish an opinion from a Republican senator that is shared by 58% of the American people.

But apparently they view that as beyond the pale in the woke newsroom.

Now, I would say that the senior leaders cravenly surrendered to the woke mob at the New York Times.

On Wednesday of last week, they published my op-ed.

On Thursday, they publicly defended it.

On Friday, they renounced it after the mob demanded that.

And then on Sunday, the owner of the New York Times fired the editorial page editor.

I would say that he surrendered to the woke mob, but let's remember, this guy is a woke child himself.

No.

They're eating their own.

I mean, Senator, a lot of people are getting very upset right now.

A lot of people on the right, they're getting upset and they're like, this is got to sup.

I'm actually ready to grab a bowl of popcorn.

I'm interested in just watching them just devour themselves.

It's phenomenal what is happening.

And I don't think that there is, you know, watching Nancy Pelosi

do the stunt she did yesterday is hysterical.

I mean,

hysterical.

So, Glenn,

the New York Times is making a fool of themselves from A.G.

Sulzberger all the way down to their, you know, young interns who were demanding heads-on-pikes because

their editorial page editor had the audacity to publish an opinion with which they disagreed, although 58% of Americans agreed with it.

And people are laughing at them.

Reporters from other newspapers, producers from television shows, or even reporters at the New York Times recognize that the New York Times has become a laughing stock and exposed itself for what it is, a far-left-wing propaganda outfit.

It couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of people.

So one of the things they had a problem with.

Glenn, look at the replacement.

of the editorial page editor.

Just take a look at her Twitter feed.

But in the meantime, look at the note she sent out to her

workers just a couple days ago.

She said that if you see anything at all, anything that offends you or that concerns you,

then just send me a text or an email right away.

I mean, she is telling grown-ups, people who should recognize they're not in a college campus, they're not in a social justice seminar, that they get trigger warnings at work.

So they're not offended by microaggressions.

I mean, this really is the language of campus children brought to the workforce when grown-ups should be able to say, look, you're not in a social justice seminar anymore.

You are in the real world.

And when you're confronted with an opinion with which you disagree, the proper answer is to refute it with better arguments in return.

It's not to curl up in the fetal position, demand trigger warnings, and say that the bad people that publish this opinion should be fired.

And if you don't like it, you can quit.

So tell me, they said that one of the problems is they had a real problem with your depiction, which was completely inaccurate of the role of Antifa in the protests.

Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom.

Do you have any evidence at all that Antifa is playing any role in this?

Well, I'll just say the Attorney General has repeatedly pointed this out, and I don't know many peaceful protesters and demonstrators who take crowbars with them to marches.

I don't think stacks of bricks get into the street by themselves, Quinn.

Of course, there were agitators and extremists who hijacked and infiltrated protected First Amendment protests for their own purposes.

That was happening the weekend after last, and that's why you saw so much violence on the streets in places like Minneapolis and New York and Washington, D.C.

Now, since the president

demanded that the National Guard be on the scene in Washington, D.C., employed a lot of the specialized law enforcement units that are present around the seat of our national government, since some Democratic governors like Tim Waltz in Minnesota recognized that he had no choice but to call out the National Guard, that violence diminished significantly over the course of last week, to the point where over this past weekend, it was almost all just protests and demonstrations.

And that's because those agitators and extremists realized that the authorities were now onto their techniques and that they faced the risk of pushback from the police and ultimately arrest and charges.

So I saw an interview with Attorney General Barr, and

they asked him, why haven't you made a single arrest yet of Antiva if you know that they were involved and he said something pretty shocking at least to me he said because we're tracking their funding they're very well funded right now he's not going after the guys on the streets he's going after the leadership he's going after the

most likely the white uh anti-capitalist socialists uh around the world that have tons of money that are funding these things.

That's going to be a bombshell if he hits that.

Because there will be all kinds of connections to people we know.

Glenn,

that's the right way to approach a radical organization like Antifa.

I'll say that.

I don't want to get too far into the details of what may or may not be

investigated and what techniques our federal government is using, but there's a long history of our federal government trying to

identify informants within criminal organizations and conspiracies to roll them up and end up not just getting the foot soldiers out on the street, but all the way up to the kingpins and the funders.

That was how a U.S.

grant took down the original version of the KKK in the 1870s.

That's how we took down the mob in the 50s and 60s and 70s, drug gangs in the 80s and 90s, terrorist terrorist organizations over the last 20 years.

The federal government has a long record of rolling up large organizations through careful investigative work and the use of informants and intelligence.

And that's what we shouldn't be doing with Fentifer right now.

So, Senator,

if you see how the Soviet Union

after World War II

flipped Czechoslovakia and Hungary and everything else, they did it without a shot being fired.

And it really is the bottom-up, top-down, inside-out thing.

You put communists in the government in a deep state, if you will.

Then you fund and you support rioters on the streets.

The people rise up and say the government's got to do something.

And that deep state-controlled government comes down, and you lose your country and you lose your freedom.

They did it over and over and over again.

And I believe it's exactly what is happening happening here in the United States.

How are we doing on the investigation into the deep state and all of the people that

were responsible for the Russia collusion garbage and

ratting out

and finding these people that are working against freedom in America in our own government?

Well, we're moving forward a little bit more slowly than I would like, Glenn, but it is moving forward.

In part, because we lived through two plus years of the Mueller investigation, even though I think it's now clear that the FBI knew from the earliest days, even before Bob Mueller was appointed as a special counsel, that the still dossier was full of garbage, probably full of Russian intelligence disinformation,

and that there was no collusion.

Whatever efforts Russia undertook on its own, there was no collusion with the Trump campaign.

I commend the Attorney General and the U.S.

Attorney in Washington for dropping the charges against Mike Flynn.

They shouldn't have been brought to begin with, and that was long overdue.

We've seen other reports, for instance, from the Inspector General and the Department of Justice about how the senior FBI leaders abused their authority in 2016 and 2017.

Of course, John Durham is continuing to investigate the entire origins of the Russia collusion hoax, and I expect that will be announced well before the election.

And of course, Lindy Graham, the Senate, has begun a series of hearings that will end up calling in in some of the central players involved in those decisions, like Jim Comey and Andy McKay, Peter Strzok, and Lisa Page.

Now, nearly all of them, MSNBC or CNN contributors.

Yeah.

You know, the president's poll numbers, you know, depending on who you look at, and I don't believe them at this point, and I don't...

I can't imagine America going for a group of people that are supporting what's happening on the streets, but you know, whatever.

America is a different place now, I guess.

But this is important for these things to be

cleared up before

the president leaves office.

We would have really dangerous people

coming in.

And if the American people don't see some arrests and don't

we're not cleaning things up,

I worry what's coming next.

Trevor Burrus Well, that's one reason why I'm confident, Glenn, that these investigations will reach their natural conclusion before January or even before the election.

The Attorney General recognizes that this is a closely divided country when it comes to electoral politics.

You know, we had a split decision in 2018 with Democrats winning the House and Republicans winning the Senate.

I think this will be a closely contested election as well.

It's important, though, that electoral politics, whoever win the election, not get in not get in the way of uncovering the truth about what is perhaps the biggest political scandal in our country's history, which is the Obama administration's efforts to disrupt the peaceful transition of power and use the organs of law enforcement against its political opponents.

So

one last thing, because you were on the coronavirus early.

And

there's a lot of people now that look at what's happening with the medical community coming out and saying, well, racism is a much worse disease than coronavirus, so you can go protest.

These mayors and these governors that were arresting people that said that people who were protesting the shutdown were irresponsible, going to kill everybody's grandmother, they were anarchists, et cetera, et cetera.

Those people are now marching in the streets.

The coronavirus

experts are really endorsing going ahead and

rioting or at least marching in the streets.

And I think there's a lot of people that say, wait a minute, we destroyed our economy.

For what?

Did you people even believe this ever?

Well, Glenn, I hope and I pray that we will not see a surge in coronavirus cases and ultimately deaths because of the large-scale protests and demonstrations over the last couple of weeks.

We'll know in the weeks ahead.

I hope that's not the case.

And if it's not, then that might give us even more confidence to get the rest of our economy back up and open again.

However, I think it's obvious that just de facto, the lockdowns are now, in effect, over.

It's going to be very hard for any governor or mayor to tell his or her people, you've got to stay at home, you can't earn a living, you can't open your business, you can't take your kids to a park, you can't go worship in church.

after they've seen these very same mayors and governors not just permit but encourage and celebrate protests and demonstrations with people marching in the streets shoulder to shoulder by the thousands.

I would also suspect that to the extent those governors and mayors try to enforce those lockdowns, you know, against, say, churches holding services, that they're going to face lawsuits, and those lawsuits are apt to be successful.

I mean, it can't be the case that we condone First Amendment activity by the thousands in our streets, but we prohibit First Amendment activity by the dozens in our churches.

Yep.

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Anaya Fulrin Amon is a writer in the UK, freelance writer.

She is also somebody who stood in December 2019, the UK general election, for the Brexit Party in Leeds Northeast.

She is speaking out now in the UK, basically asking the same thing many of us are asking.

Is this really about racism and police brutality, or is there something else going on?

She was born in 96.

Holy cow.

She was born in 1996 in London.

She is of Yoruba heritage.

She

was raised in a British-Nigerian single-parent household.

Welcome to the program.

How are you?

Thank you for having me.

I'm very, very good.

Thank you.

So

many people call you the Candace Owens of the UK.

I've heard that banteed around.

Tell me your take on what...

I don't know if you take that as a good thing or a bad thing, but we mean it as a good thing.

Tell me about what you're feeling.

Positively.

Good.

On what's happening in Europe?

In the UK, they've just defaced the guy who fought against fascism better than anybody else in the world, Winston Churchill.

They just defaced a statue of Abraham Lincoln.

What's going on in the UK?

Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, I want to say that I think a lot of people for the past kind of few months and even years in particular have been worried about kind of the rise of China and what implications that has for kind of international politics.

But I think that what we've seen in the last week, we can be in no doubt of American cultural hegemony and how kind of American racial culture wars has now been kind kind of exported globally.

Now, you know, I love America, I think it's a fantastic country, but I have actually been surprised to see thousands and thousands of people in Britain, in central London, putting their hands up, saying, hands up, don't shoot, to one of the most demilitarized police forces in the world, which is the British

Police Force.

They don't have guns.

How can they shoot?

They don't have guns.

They don't have guns.

So I think what we've seen is a kind of attempt to create this kind of homogenized narrative about what it means to be black in the world.

I think, and it's been one that has been essentialized to be one of kind of racism, oppression, victimization, irrespective of the kind of nuances and complexities of specific countries.

I think absolutely, you know, racism exists that needs to be combated.

But in response to the George Floyd killing, for the first time in, you know, I think years, there was unity across the political spectrum, pretty much much internationally, saying that this was

a wrong thing.

And the man's now been charged, and people can debate about what charge that should be.

But at the end of the day, that's on our way to justice.

That's a very positive thing.

And so, what has now transpired to me is something very, very, very different.

We are seeing what looks like, to me, a kind of concerted effort to paint Western society at large as this kind of bastion of evil and hate and kind of racism.

And I think it's sending a really toxic and demoralizing message to a generation of young people who haven't had it so better in terms of racial equality, progress.

There's much more to be done.

But the narrative that is being told is completely divorced from reality.

And I think it's got much darker intentions and kind of consequences unless we seriously grapple with what is happening to our culture.

Can you tell me what you think?

Because because I agree with you, and you know, everything that you're saying here leads me to the things that we have been investigating for a long time,

at least on my program, and that is this concerted effort by a radical leftist

group of organizations and people that want to tear down the Western world and capitalism.

Do you believe that that's what you're seeing over in the UK as well?

No, absolutely, because it is something that's not just sparked solely out of the protests.

We've seen it in terms of the education system, even in the universities.

I think there's a similar thing that's happened in America in terms of these kind of pampered free speech wars.

We've seen it with the gender debate, and also in the UK, we saw it up until the election until Brexit, which is essentially overthrowing the democratic system in order to kind of push forward a certain certain agenda.

And I think I don't want to make too many connections, but I do think it's all part of the same underlying ideology that has a deep, bitterful resentment to kind of Western society and sees

many of these political upheavals as an

opportunity to exploit it to kind of push forward a very radical left agenda.

And

I think it's really worrying.

I think, at least in the UK, we have a situation where the Conservative Party won the election, and a lot of us thought that that was a positive thing in terms of pushing back against this.

But the left, I think again, it's similar in America, have right now a monopoly on culture.

They have very significant sways in terms of the media.

And in terms of changing that narrative and reclaiming a kind of more positive and realistic representation of the West, and kind of speaking to the young people that this picture is not actually the reality, is something that is still,

you know, there's a lot more work to be done there.

so it is really concerning.

So I've recently

met the

founders and the heads of an organization, Turning Point

UK,

and

I've been really excited to see

the ideas of freedom start to take root.

in a younger generation as well.

But it's almost like it's a cute little effort overseas because

you don't have our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and quite honestly, we don't either right now.

So it's a different look at liberty, and it's kind of a hard sell in some ways.

How are you seeing the pushback on this globalist, Marxist kind of

ideology?

Is there

growing pushback on that at all?

Well, you know, you know, even in Britain, we don't obviously, as you mentioned, have a written constitution, but we have a really strong and rich tradition of liberty in terms of John Stuart Mill and kind of the Bill of Rights and the Magna Carta.

So it's a very rich and kind of amazing tradition there.

And I think a lot of that, again, has kind of been brushed to the side and downplayed in this swell of cultural self-loathing which has really encapsulated many of the left in particular, but a lot in the West.

But I think in terms of the pushback, I think it is something that's growing.

So, I'm part of an organization in the UK called the Free Speech Union, and we've now been really proactive in terms of trying to defend people that are even facing

losing their job and their positions to simple things that they've said.

I mean, even recently in the UK, it's quite horrifying.

A gentleman, a radio presenter, was

being investigated for criticizing Black Lives Matter.

So, you know, it is a really, really serious thing.

And obviously, you know, there's a whole situation in terms of the New York Times and America over there.

So the pushback is

there, but it's definitely needs to be much stronger, much more forcewise.

I mean, if we look at the lockdown, you know, in Britain, I've been quite surprised at how there ha there wasn't that much pushback in terms of the biggest peacetime removal of our liberties.

And so I think that a lot of people have felt quite

felt kind of exhausted by the constant barrage of negativity.

But I think that what we've seen now, something feels different to me in the UK.

You know, statues, as you mentioned, of Winston Churchill being brought down, historic cultural monuments being defamed, and violence against the police, and all of these really kind of significant things.

I think a lot of people are now waking up and saying that we cannot let this go on, or this is really going to spiral into something much, much darker than it already is.

So, how does the America, how does the United States of America, and be, you know, be honest,

I'm not asking for a you know a nice fluffy answer here.

How does the United States of America look to those in Great Britain who may have looked on us favorably in the past?

What does the average person think about what's happening over here?

I think the average person is

probably sees a lot of parallels, but it depends on the perspective.

So I think what I found is that a lot of people that were in favour of Brexit, which was actually obviously the majority of the country in a democratic vote, had a lot of sympathies with Trump, not necessarily in terms of the particular policies he was advocating, but in terms of what he represented in regards to a kind of figure that is taking on the establishment, taking on these kinds of institutions that have been so entrenched.

but not really dealing with the kind of issues that are plaguing so many people.

And so I think a lot of people in Britain that supported Brexit have been very sympathetic towards that and do see parallels in terms of the way in which, you know, for example, in America, particularly the kind of radical left weaponized impeachment to try and in some ways, you know, subvert democracy,

the way that many people, particularly on the radical left in America, were the most

fervent in regards to the lockdown and things like that.

So I think there are quite similar parallels.

But I think similar with here, it really depends on who you speak to.

And I think, unfortunately, I think particularly the mainstream media in the UK don't always paint America with the most positive deception.

But I think there's a growing number of people that do see through it and kind of see that a lot of the time that the way that the media represent political events in America and also in Britain is not actually the full scope of what is happening.

I will tell you that I think we look at Great Britain, many of us look at Great Britain in the same exact way.

While we didn't understand all the ins and outs of Brexit, we were with you because it seemed as though you were experiencing the same thing with a government that had just become abusive to the people.

It doesn't matter what we say, they just do whatever they want anyway.

It's that deep state is what it's being called over here.

And

it's happening all over the Western world, and it's really got to stop.

It's got to stop.

And I

go ahead.

No, I was just going to say, well, there's an election obviously coming up in November, and there was in America, and obviously in Britain, there was in December.

So I think it's definitely through democracy and through arguments that we need to push back and not force the come to the kind of tactics of the radical left.

So great talking to you.

All the best of luck over in London and

stay free.

God bless.

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From the Standing Rock Ranch, welcome.

This is the Glen Beck program.

I want to share with you just for a second

why I said at the beginning of the hour, this is a great time to be alive.

I don't want you to be discouraged.

I think these people are burning themselves out.

I think they know the end is near.

I think they know that the

Justice Department is on them.

They're going to be exposed.

They thought that they would be protected by the deep state.

And indeed, if we have a change in

president and

senate, if, God forbid, I can't imagine, Stu, help me.

In what world does America vote for people who are

standing with

the protesters and the riots?

Help me out on that.

I just can't imagine it.

The riots are obviously

a further

path.

You're down that road a little bit further.

I mean, the protesters, I think a lot of people will get on.

I mean,

the idea of that Black Lives Matter means what their

statement of values means to most people, I think is not accurate, right?

Most people just say, well,

I want to be nice to black people too.

Why wouldn't I join these rallies?

A lot of it is that, of course.

But, you know, I think the only world where this happens is, you know, we are looking at an economy that is bouncing back, hopefully a little bit.

How much does it bounce back?

People generally, I think Trump is such a dominant figure.

in this country that they are going to vote on whether they like Trump or not.

Do they think he's doing a good job?

Do they think

their world is getting better?

If, you know, there was there 40 million people who lost their job as far as the coronavirus situation goes.

If 30 million of them have their jobs back and we're trending in the right direction, he's got a great chance.

So I don't know.

I mean, I don't know that they'll make the distinctions.

I mean, Biden has come out, by the way, and said for what it's worth that he doesn't want to defund the police.

So, you know, whatever that means, whether you believe him or not, it doesn't matter.

Yeah, whatever.

I think Kamala Harris is going to be his vice presidential nominee, too.

It's such a weird pick in the middle of this, though.

Lawn order.

I don't know.

Yeah, but that's exactly the problem, right?

Like, the left is going crazy.

They want to defund the police.

One of the big reasons Kamala Harris didn't win the nomination is because she was a prosecutor, and then they're going to put her on the ticket.

Like, that's really going to piss off people.

Because you're going to have to have somebody that is going to look tough on crime.

You cannot, they will lose hand over fist if they just placate this stuff and they're all for defunding the cops and everything else, they have to have a tough person, and it's not Biden.

Nobody, Biden doesn't even know what he's talking about half the time.

No, no, no, no, I do agree with you on that.

Yeah, oh my gosh.

Yesterday, did you see the deal yesterday where he was reading off of a card in his lap and he just kept repeating it over and over again?

Did you see that?

I didn't see that.

Let's see if we can find that and play it.

It's incredible, Stu.

The guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

But anyway,

the reason why I say it's a good time to be alive is in their arrogance, they will destroy themselves.

And if Donald Trump is cleaning out the deep state, if that does happen,

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There are a lot of quote-unquote facts that are going around.

Sarah, do we happen to have any of the audio from the New York Times

daily today?

Go ahead and play this.

Let's see which cut this is.

Go ahead.

So John, what do these concepts defund, dismantle, abolish the police?

What exactly do they mean?

To defund, when activists say that, what they mean is taking money away from the police department's budget and redirect it toward other things, whether that be social services agencies, maybe mental health agencies that can do functions that police are often called on to do.

But if you fully defund it, you can get to a space where the police department is abolished.

And so essentially what that means is that there is no more police department as we know it.

You don't call these men and women in blue shirts to come racing to your door with their guns in hand.

It means that they have to figure out some other form of providing that public safety and the police department would not be that form.

And where do these concepts come from?

Well, at their core, they come from...

Stop.

I can't take it anymore.

Listen to this.

I mean, listen to the New York Times taking this seriously.

Taking something that we have had since the beginning of time, police, and just throwing it out and saying, well, we're going to come up with something different.

Well, I'd kind of like to know what.

You know.

But we could all hope for change.

We've done it before, and didn't that work out well for us?

The thing that this is all based on is how bad the cops are and how it's not getting any better.

better, and they are killing kids and killing black people just on the side of the road at a record pace.

That's what you have to believe.

Raphael Mangual is with us now.

He is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and contributing editor of the City Journal.

He says the toxic narrative about the police is absolutely wrong.

Welcome, sir.

How are you?

I'm doing very well, Brian.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm going to play devil's advocate, and I'm going to bring Stu in for this, too.

And

we want to push you on the stats because we have heard

all of these press reports and all of these people saying how bad it is.

So you go ahead and fill our head with these lies.

How bad is it?

out there.

Well, you know, it is not anywhere close to what the activists say we're dealing with.

And that's the most important takeaway here, okay?

I think, you know, like any other human endeavor, policing is perfect, right?

Police are human.

They make mistakes.

You know, sometimes those mistakes result in deaths.

And some of those deaths reflect not just negligence, but sometimes even malevolence.

There is such thing as a bad cop.

There is such thing as evil that makes its way onto a police force.

The question is, is how big?

What is the scope of this problem?

And

the reality is that it is a problem that is far overblown compared to the rhetoric.

I mean, consider just fatal encounters, for example, right?

The Washington Post documented just over 1,000 shootings last year and 992 shootings in 2018.

So that number has remained pretty steady.

That year, police in general across the whole country fired their guns just over 3,000 times in 2018.

Now this sounds like a lot, right?

There's multiple shootings today involving police, but in a country of 330 million people with a police force of nearly 700,000 officers in full-time roles, not including reserve officers or part-time roles,

that is an incredibly low amount, especially when you consider also that they make more than 10 million arrests in a given year, have almost 100 million police citizen contacts, right?

So when we look at the full scope of the volume of police activity, what we see is that deadly encounters represent an infinitesimally small slice of an exceptionally large pie.

At most, if you're looking at 10.3 million arrests, 0.003% of arrests result in the use of deadly force.

That is not evidence of a pandemic of police violence.

That is not evidence of a police force out of control.

And the case does not get any stronger when you look at non-fatal uses of force.

One of the best studies I've seen on this is a study that was published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery.

It looked at over a million calls for service across three mid-sized police departments, one in North Carolina, one in Louisiana, and one in Arizona.

Those calls for service resulted in over 114,000 arrests.

And in less than 1%

of all those arrests was physical force used.

And in 98% of the cases in which physical force was used, there was no discernible injury to the suspect whatsoever.

There was only one instance in those 114,000 arrests of a fatal police shooting.

Again,

is some subset of that, does some subset of that reflect error?

Does some subset of that use of force reflect malevolence?

Perhaps.

But the idea that this is that

illegal police force can characterize the institution of policing as opposed to just reflecting the individual actions of what amount to statistically few bad apples.

That is not a claim that can be sustained.

Okay, so the Washington Post has said protests spread over police shootings.

Police promise reforms.

Every year, they still shoot and kill nearly 1,000 people.

Police since 2015 have shot and killed 5,400 people.

I mean, your stats are great, but

what about the fact that this has been going over for decades decades and

they're killing blacks at a much higher rate than they're killing whites?

Right.

Well,

I'm going to start at the beginning of that question.

One of the big flaws that the Washington Post suffers from in making that kind of claim is that they're basing it on their own data set, which only goes back to 2015.

That is not a long period of time.

The fact of the matter is, yes, we have had essentially steady rates of police shootings in 2015, but that does not mean that we have not had any progress on this front.

Take, for example, some of the data out of the New York City Police Department.

In 1971, when that department started to keep track, New York City police fired their guns 810 times.

They wounded 221 people and killed 93 that year.

In 2016, those numbers were down to just 72, 23, and 9, respectively.

That is an enormous amount of progress that may not be captured in that short five-year window.

One of my biggest pet peeves about this debate is that what the rhetoric has done

is it has essentially positioned us to be underwhelmed by even meaningful progress.

Because the fact of the matter is, is again, police are not perfect, but there isn't a whole lot of room for improvement when it comes to deadly force simply because of the fact that it is such a rare occurrence.

Now, as for the fact that black Americans are disproportionately represented in police shooting numbers, that's true if you use their basis, if you use the denominator, which is their proportion of the population that they make up.

But that, to me, is the wrong denominator.

What we should be looking at are rates of violent crime.

And we know, for example, that black Americans, despite constituting just 13% of the population, are responsible for more than 50% of all murders in the United States.

And when you consider the fact that most of those murders, almost all of them, are committed by men, you get a stat that looks more like about 7% of the population being responsible for nearly 50% of all those homicides.

It's that disproportionality that informs the disproportionate statistics that we see in police shootings and other uses of force.

We cannot work around the reality that black men have a homicide commission rate that is about eight times that of their white counterparts.

That is going to be reflected in this data, right?

And I would ask any reasonable person to really just reflect on the following question, which is that do you honestly believe that police resources should be equally distributed across the United States without regard to crime rates?

I don't think any reasonable person would answer that question in the affirmative.

And so if you believe that police deploy that police resource deployment should reflect varying rates of violent crime, then it stands to reason that that deployment of resources is going to result in more contacts that police are going to have with black Americans simply by virtue of the racial disparities that we see in crime victimization and commission numbers.

Again, on the victimization, everyone likes to focus on the enforcement disparities, but on the victimization disparities, a black American is six times more likely to be the victim of a homicide than a white American.

No one talks about that disparity.

To me, that is one of the most important disparities that our country needs to address.

And police have been at the forefront of addressing that disparity for decades on end.

And to lose sight of that,

I think really truly reflects the fever pitch that we've reached in this debate.

And I think truly reflects the major flaw in the left's argument on this topic.

Raphael, I'm wondering if you could address one thing that is brought up a lot, which is the idea that there's been several studies that have showed that white police officers are equal or in some cases less likely to use force against

black citizens when it comes to in a comparative way.

So the idea that this is sort of fueled by racism,

is there anything to prove that out?

No,

other than the facial disparities that people harp on, right?

And that's the thing.

Disparities on their own don't show intent.

And intent is at the core of a claim of racism.

And we have, as you mentioned, really fantastic econometric studies that have looked at these questions very deeply.

Roland Fryer of Harvard University has done probably the best one.

And what he found is that there is no evidence of racial animus driving deadly police force.

And that makes sense because police deadly force is often used in situations that are extremely intense and that unfold within seconds.

Police don't have time to consider someone's race in deciding whether

to fire their weapons.

I mean, one example of this is the shooting of Stephon Clark out in Sacramento almost two years ago.

This was a case of a guy who was shot

holding just a cell phone that was apparently mistaken for a gun.

It was pitch black when police encountered him.

He took off as soon as they approached him.

They chased him into a backyard and thankfully

the video captures

the police's actions in this.

You see them run up the driveway and as they break the threshold of the back of the house and turn into the backyard to chase the suspect, you see that the lead officer stops short, pulls his partner back behind cover, and then they fire their weapons from cover.

That is not the action of an officer who is trying to murder someone he knows to be unarmed.

That is the action of someone who has clearly made a mistake because of the darkness.

And the idea that in those intense moments where someone believed that their life was in danger, they were calculating whether they were going to try and save their own lives based on the race of the suspect really just doesn't have any basis

in the data, any the studies that we've seen, or in reality.

All right, so I'm going to run out of time.

I've only got about a minute left.

What about things like,

you know, chokeholds and resisting arrest?

And I mean, if he wouldn't have died, police wouldn't, we wouldn't know about this.

But the abuse would have still gone on.

There are any stats on any of these things?

Because the Washington Post says there's no stats on them.

Well, no, that's not entirely true, right?

The Bureau of Justice Statistics does

do surveys of citizens who have had police encounters.

And in those surveys, they asked citizens whether they were,

for example, the victims of force that they felt to be excessive.

And we see that only about 8% of those citizens who encounter, and this is encompassing more than 50,000 contacts, only about 8% of citizens express any kind of displeasure with their police interactions.

And only a subset of that 8%

are based on impressions of excessive force, which again have to be taken with a grain of salt because most people are not going to enjoy being on the enforcement end of a police encounter.

And oftentimes

their impressions of what's legal and what's not are erroneous.

And so, yeah, again, I think that what we saw in the George Floyd video does reflect misconduct.

I do think it happens.

I don't think police are perfect.

But to say that that kind of misconduct characterizes the institution as a whole, I think, is just a cry too far.

Rafael Mengual, thank you so much.

He's a fellow at the Manhattan Institute, contributing editor for the City Journal.

Thanks for the information.

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Hello, America, and welcome to Tuesday.

So I have this, I have this sneaking suspicion that

the killer of George Floyd just might be found not guilty.

And here's why.

Because

the guy who is now leading the prosecution is Keith Ellison.

Keith Ellison, we know, is a radical, an absolute radical.

You would think that he would do everything he could to make sure this guy goes to jail, but maybe he's...

Maybe he's just convinced of his own superpowers that he can convict all four of these guys in ways that most prosecutors say you shouldn't do that.

Maybe he's just overzealous, or maybe it is worse than that.

I want to talk to Andrew McCarthy.

He is a guy that was former distant assistant U.S.

Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

He has led the terrorism prosecution against the blind sheik and 11 others.

He went after those and got convictions for the World Trade Center bombings.

He's a guy who's been around a while.

Is this case

under control?

Are we going to get convictions or are we going to end up with maybe more and worse riots?

Oh, I don't know.

Right around election time.

Andrew McCarthy, he's on with us in one minute.

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Do they?

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Really?

Because the people protesting are trying to destroy those countries, those companies.

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Andy McCarthy, contributing editor, National Review, Senior Fellow for the National Review Institute.

He has been on with us several times.

Good friend of the program.

Andy,

you wrote a great piece for the National Review.

The new Floyd Murder Charges will be tough to prove and may imperil good cops.

As I'm reading it, what is happening with the prosecution seems nuts.

Seems nuts.

Yeah, Glenn, thanks so much for having me and calling attention to this.

The case is kind of weirdly overcharged and undercharged at this point.

And I keep having to kind of police myself because I have the same cynicism about Keith Ellison

as I gather you do.

And

I need to kind of like try to put that in a box and just look at this in a clinical way rather than freighting it too much with what I think of him.

So for what it's worth,

on Chauvin, who's the main guy, of course,

I think the second degree charge, the second degree murder charge that Ellison put in, which was sort of designed, at least politically, to say that they had ratcheted up the charges, is a reach.

But it's not an impossible reach.

And the thing I think we have to keep in mind is that the way they do their charges, and let's remember now, we have not seen an indictment yet.

So far, these guys have only been charged in complaints.

So we don't know what the final charges are going to look like.

But if they look like this, there'll be three different theories of murder.

And just common sense says to me that a jury watching that last indefensible eight minutes is going to convict this guy of something.

So to me, my complaint and my worry about the second degree charge, which is the felony murder theory, under which what he's basically saying is that when the cops first put hands on this guy, And as that whole situation evolved, that was an assault and

Mr.

Floyd later died.

So that's the felony murder theory.

The felony is a third degree assault under Minnesota law.

I think from a policy standpoint, that's a really dumb thing to do because it puts cops on the street, good cops, in fear of the idea that if they do the things you have to do in order to do effective policing, like use superior force,

not egregious force or excessive force, but superior force against someone who's resisting arrest, you have to now worry that you could be charged with a felony.

But that doesn't mean that juries don't do policy, they do the one case with the one

defendant and one victim.

I could see the jury convicting on that theory.

I think it's more likely they convict on his second theory, which is depraved indifference, because I think that's

a good match for what their evidence is.

That basically

yeah, I have to tell you, Andy, I think that is where this whole thing meets.

When I watched that, it didn't seem like I'm out to murder a guy.

It looked like I don't really care.

I mean, really, truly depraved indifference is

what it appeared to be.

Right.

That's what I think, Blen.

Now, I know people who practice law in Minnesota who tell me that there's some troublesome case law with that.

And I know that, as a prosecutor, you have to worry about that stuff.

When we, for what it's worth, I mean, when we indicted the blind shake a million years ago, there was some bad law in our circuit on attempted bombings and some other stuff that we had to worry about.

But we really felt like, and I think the prosecutors here should feel like, their evidence is so strong in terms of the recklessness and depravity of that.

I just cannot see a jury acquitting on that.

Okay, so

that's good news, right?

Because he would go to jail.

But would that be the second is

depraved indifference part of the murder count of second-degree murder?

It's third-degree murder.

And, you know, Glenn, I think people are getting too hung up on, you know, they've watched too many episodes of Dragnet or Hawaii 5.0 or something.

You know, if it's not Book of Murder One, that, you know, people are

don't think it's serious enough because it doesn't sound serious enough.

Murder three is murder.

And I think if this guy gets convicted of murder, no one's going to remember that it was third degree murder.

It's a murder charge.

Correct.

And sometimes.

I was just going to say, sometimes categorically, you know, you go first, second, third because of seriousness.

Sometimes it's just that the conduct is so different, they have to put it in a different section.

of the statute.

It's not necessarily a reflection that it's not as serious as second degree.

All right.

And how much of a sentence does that usually get?

How much time would this guy spend behind bars?

Up to 25 years.

Okay.

Now, the other three.

Second degree would be up to 40, just so you know.

So that's, I mean, that's the difference we're talking about.

Okay.

So the other three,

aiding and abetting.

And in your article, you talk about how this one you have to run through hoops because

they're also charged aren't are they not also charged with second degree

they're charged with aiding and abetting both second degree and manslaughter and I think theoretically this is where you worry about Ellison being more of a you know a sort of a radical ideologue than a technical lawyer

negligence

manslaughter in Minnesota is negligent homicide and as we all know negligence means something happens happens that nobody intended, right?

You're careless and something that you didn't foresee, but you should have, that's terrible, happens.

You're careless, it causes a risk and a guy dies.

Aiding and abetting liability means that the accomplice, who's the aider and abetter,

has to understand what the principal is trying to accomplish.

and then join himself and did something active to bring it about.

Well, no one tries to accomplish negligence.

So

I have a problem with the theory of aiding and abetting being matched up with negligence, but I think he would have been fine and he would still be fine when they ultimately indict if he indicts them not as aiders and abetters, but as principals, because at least the two guys who were holding Floyd down along with Chauvin, they had to know what they were doing was careless and wrong, if not depraved.

And

I think

you could convict them just as

people who committed manslaughter rather than trying to go through the mental hoops of did they understand what Chauvin was trying to accomplish and how did they try to join?

You know, I mean,

that kind of mental gymnastics is, I think, overcomplicating, which should be a pretty straightforward question.

Yeah, and how do you prove that any of them were trying to accomplish killing this guy?

Oh,

I think that's a great point because the evidence that's in the complaint suggests the contrary.

You know, these bird brains didn't do what they should have done to stop this from happening.

But at least one of them says to Chauvin, you know, don't you think we ought to roll this guy over on his shoulder?

Or, you know, I'm a little bit worried that he's going to go into, you know, various forms of medical distress.

And Chauvin, who's the 19-year veteran and is the senior guy out there, says, no, no, no, that's why we're leaving him on his

stomach as he continued to sit on the guy's neck.

Right.

So how?

That guy's going to be able to say, I I wasn't trying to kill the guy.

You know, when you're trying to kill the guy,

you don't ask, do you think he's doing okay?

Do you think we should roll him over?

I don't mean side of it.

I just, I just, you know, the defense lawyers are going to have a field day with that sort of stuff.

But I think if you charge them with this is negligent homicide,

the prosecutor's position is, look, you can't continue to sit on the guy's back

with somebody sitting on his neck two minutes after he has no pulse.

You know, even if you didn't have the worst of intentions, that's careless.

That's manslaughter.

That's what we have manslaughter for.

And stop worrying.

You know,

don't charge the case in a way where you have to prove what these guys must have thought Chauvin was trying to accomplish.

I've been on a jury before, Andrew, and

we wanted to

send this guy away for a very long time.

All of us knew he did it.

Most of us knew he did it.

And just had a feeling that we were going to release this guy out into the wilderness.

But we could not agree that the charge was the right charge.

And we're like,

that's not right.

And, you know, we kind of even danced around, well,

shouldn't we just give it to him anyway?

Because he's going to get out and do it.

No, no.

And it's a very different thing in a jury room if they screw this up and charge them.

I don't know if this is unique with jurors, but that was my experience.

We didn't go in there.

We went in there thinking this is a very bad guy, but it doesn't match what they're telling us to do.

And they're telling us specifically it's got to be X, Y, and Z.

Well, that doesn't fit.

Yeah, Glenn, that's my experience with the jury system, 20 years of being a trial lawyer, all as a prosecutor.

Juries are really very, as a general matter, you can always find outliers, but they're very conscientious.

They follow the evidence closely.

They really do do what the courts tell them to do as a general matter, and they don't convict people.

even though the evidence can be horrifying if it doesn't match up what the judge tells them has to be proved.

So

you're right to be concerned about how this case gets charged.

One last question.

Is there anything that the feds can do just in case?

I mean, I know I'm very, very,

you know, I'm just pessimistic when it comes to Keith Ellison, and I don't trust him.

And it would be very, very good for a radical to have this just, you know,

in the last moment slip away and then they they walk free.

Is there anything that the feds can be doing at the same time?

So, God forbid they screw it up at the state level.

It's not a walk away, he's free.

Yes, they are conducting a civil rights investigation.

Now,

that's a tougher proof than a straightforward state murder prosecution because you have to prove an intent basically to discriminate and to deprive somebody of their constitutional rights and their legal rights.

So it's a tougher case to prove, but they would get,

if they think they can make that, they can get a second bite at the apple because we have what's known as the dual sovereignty doctrine.

It's an exception to double jeopardy, and it basically means the feds and the state are different sovereigns.

So just because you get acquitted in the state, the state can't prosecute you again, but the feds could.

Okay.

Andrew, thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

Andrew McCarthy contributing editor to the National Review.

I find it really interesting that what I'm worried about is exactly what RFK was worried about, just in a different way.

He was worried about these cases going down and the

prosecutors botching the case and the jury just, you know,

doing what they want to do because they were all white.

I'm worried about the same thing.

He was worried about the guys walking free that did the crime.

I'm worried about the same thing, and I'm worried about the prosecution just for a different reason, because I think this guy is a radical.

And God forbid this is true.

I hate even saying it, but it's just, I mean, you're telling me crazier things aren't happening now?

That this thing is overcharged, and they

fail on the prosecution, and we have a massive, massive problem on our hands.

I hope the federal government is watching this closely.

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Stu Bergeer is with us.

Stu just did a show last night.

Stu Does, what was it last night?

Stu Does Defunding the Police was last night's episode.

And he went over all of the stats that you're hearing today and how these stats are misused or misunderstood.

The problem is not

as it is stated by the New York Times and everybody else.

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Yeah, you can watch the whole thing if you go to YouTube and just search for Stu.

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But if you go there and you check it out, one of the things I think is interesting is we can all come together and say an individual thing happened to this individual, George Floyd, that should be punished by the law.

And I don't know if anyone's noticed this.

We've charged four people,

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So we've done some of this already.

The idea is how do you expand this into a much larger

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We've actually almost completely solved it to the point of something like six or seven times as many people die from interactions with lawnmowers every year than die for as an unarmed black person being killed by police.

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And I have to say this, it's about 20 times as many people die of constipation, which sounds like a terrible way to go.

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You miss a minute of this show.

You miss a lot.

We have not had a chance to get to some of the insane arguments put together by these protesters who are now,

I guess, in charge of

Minneapolis and

the new police force that they can't really describe.

It is madness, madness.

Wolf Blitzer had the Minneapolis City Council president, Lisa Bender, and vice president Andrea Jenkins on

yesterday and was trying to get to the bottom of, okay, so what does this all mean?

How is policing without police going to work exactly?

Listen.

What happens if there's a criminal out there with a gun and starts shooting people?

Who's going to respond if there's no police force?

Look, it is our top priority to keep every single member of our community safe.

And if you look back at the last 150 years of our police department, it is becoming increasingly clear that that model of policing isn't working.

So we need to invite in our whole community.

The nine members of the city council that came from every corner of our city to stand together to make this commitment, we don't have all

and what we committed to was a community process to help reimagine public safety.

Okay, we're going to reimagine.

Public safety.

Now, I don't know about you, but I get a lot of confidence of this from this woman sitting in, I think, in her dorm room

or, you know, her apartment that looks like she's still in college in a dorm room.

And the other woman who is also city council, who is sitting next to her, who looks like she just doesn't give a flying crap that she's on television or anything else.

I'm filled with confidence between these two.

I kind of like it.

They're going to work it out.

I kind of like her because she's adopting our approach.

Like, we obviously don't care what we look like when we're on television.

We've given up.

So she's kind of like, she's looking around.

She's not even looking at the the camera.

I like her approach.

I almost feel, though, that her answer was.

She looks like, although, wait, wait, she does look like her husband.

Put her back on.

Like her husband gave her a COVID haircut.

Oh, yeah.

I don't know if you've seen people who are getting COVID haircuts from their spouse and they're like, oops, I just shaved half your head.

Yeah.

No, it's going to look great.

She does look like she just got a COVID haircut.

There's two looks basically on television right now, which is the, you know, the look that you got a bad haircut from your your spouse, or the one where you said, I don't want a bad haircut from my spouse, so I'm just going to let it grow and just let it flow.

I had that one going on for about three months, only recently.

Thank you.

I've got that one in Texas.

I was able to solve that.

I've got that one going on right now because I'm living like a mountain man up in the mountains.

So I've got that one going on.

And I also have the really extra, which neither of these ladies have a problem with, the

what I like to call it the COVID-40.

Oh, yeah.

Where it started as a COVID-19 where you might gain 19 pounds.

I may have gained 40.

But

it is not pretty, man.

This is not.

No, it's not.

My wife has this issue where she gets stressed out.

She stops eating.

I was like, I want that issue so badly.

So badly.

That's a superpower.

It's not an issue.

Like if I could have that issue, I just create more stress in my life and everything would be fine.

Instead, I'd go the opposite direction.

Glenn, I just wanted to real quick address the actual policy that she outlined there, which was almost too specific.

I almost felt I was overwhelmed

with detail.

Yeah.

Yeah, she got down into the.

You know, she did what all of these wonks do.

You know, you just get into the details and you lose me.

I know.

I mean, I get, I mean, legitimately, his question was: okay, someone is shooting people actively in the middle of the square.

What happens?

We're going to bring the community together, including the city council people, to determine how to.

Because this old form of policing doesn't work.

It works pretty well to put down active shooters.

I don't think it, you know, it's funny.

It does.

Everyone was like, oh, gosh,

they've been killing so many people indiscriminately.

And then they give you, look at this number.

There's been nine of these people.

For example, they say unarmed black men has been this topic we've been talking about lately.

And they go through the shootings.

And I believe there was nine shootings of unarmed black men in 2019.

Which, look, in a country of 330 million,

I know every one of them is terrible, but you know, like it's 330 million.

As we pointed out, you know, I think it's 64 people a year die

from interactions with lawnmowers.

700 people a year in the United States die from falling off their bed.

At some level, you can't eliminate every single instance of something.

Yeah, you know, if you were betting on something and your odds were 350 million to nine,

You wouldn't expect to win.

Yeah.

So one of the people, though, in that nine

was a person who previously had an actual shootout with police in the past.

And then the police were having another interaction with this person.

And this person told police he had a gun and was going to kill them.

They then killed him.

And later on found out he didn't actually have a gun.

He was lying.

That's an unarmed shooting of a black man in America.

So we say nine, but many of them,

it seems like more than half of them, I think it was five of the nine, seemed completely justified given the surrounding circumstances.

It's not always easy to just say, oh, well, an unarmed person died.

You know, you don't know.

Like, another person had their gun, but they had it in their car.

No, shut up.

Shut up.

I don't want to hear any of this white propaganda that you just keep spilling out.

I want to go back to the one inner dorm room on the city council that was with Allison Camerada, who I don't know how dead inside she's had to go, but she's still working at CNN and she shows no expression on her face during this dialogue.

Listen to this.

Do you understand that the word dismantle or police free also makes some people nervous?

For instance, what if in the middle of the night my home is broken into?

Who do I call?

Yes, I mean, I hear that loud and clear from a lot of my neighbors.

And I know, and myself too, and I know that that comes from a place of privilege because for those of us for whom the system is working, I think we need to step back and imagine what it would feel like to already live in that reality where calling the police may mean more harm is done.

Okay.

All right.

So when I call 911, they just say,

right, it was great when this worked.

No one's coming.

Now, I want you to contemplate that.

Is that what happens?

Because I'm not really...

Think of how insanely difficult the talking points have to be to weave through some abstract excuse for getting rid of the police

and then some abstract idea that what we're doing is, well, we want you to think about and it's going to be great because we have the community.

I don't know anyone who can do that.

It makes no sense.

It's something that only a four-year-old would come up with.

And it has to be explained into policy and sold to the nation.

It cannot be done.

Now,

imagine Joe Biden

is the delivery person for that message.

May I just play just a little bit on how he was dealing yesterday with the protesters?

And I hope you are watching on Blaze TV.

This is good with sound, but it's so much better on camera.

Watch.

The act of protesting

should never be allowed to

overshadow the reason for the protest.

The act of protesting should

never be allowed to overshadow the reason for the protest in the first place.

Uh-huh.

Okay, got it.

And I warned you tomorrow night in Wilmington, for example.

There's a lot of really good people.

I'm going to be out.

I'm not going to be here.

I'm going to be

up in Pennsylvania.

But tomorrow night,

what I worry a little bit about is you and many others are going to be out there protesting legitimately for change.

But we can't allow the protesting to overshadow.

the purpose of the protests.

Got it.

Okay, now if you are not.

Yeah, if you're not watching that, you missed how great that is.

Not only did he say the same exact same thing three times,

he was looking down at his lap like he had that written down on a card sitting on his lap.

He had no idea what he's talking about.

So here you guys, here you have a guy who is as white as chalk, doesn't know what day it is, diarrhea of the mouth.

He gets into a major league debate with Donald Trump on the

stage, and

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protest, Black Lives Matter, through that entire minefield without talking about

corn pop or his

leg hair.

This is going to be the most delicious meal we've ever had.

I totally disagree with your analysis on whether he should bring up corn pop or the leg hair.

I think that's just he should leave with it every time.

Every time.

I'm telling you, he's going to get into a debate.

He won't know what to do.

He won't know where he is.

He'll be looking down at his notes.

He'll be so awkward and white.

And then he'll just think corn pop and he'll tell the damn story.

I mean, you may watch that video

because it is a, and obviously they've...

They've specifically designed a phrase, which they believe is not offensive to Black Lives Matter or any of their supporters, but also can indicate, you know, maybe we do need a policeman or two, essentially.

So we don't want the protests to overshadow the very important thing.

It's not that we are against burning down police precincts.

We're just saying that might overshadow the wonderful thing you're doing when you're protesting.

Are you telling me that you think that somebody in this audience didn't get it on the third time that Joe?

Well, you had to come back and explain it a fourth?

really?

Well,

I think it's true.

It's a fair point.

I'll grant you, but he butchered it so badly, I didn't know if it made any sense to anyone.

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You're listening to Glenn Beck.

Hello, America.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

My name is Glenn Beck.

Stu Bergier is here.

Yeah.

And basically, what I was trying to say there is that there was this idea that the protests themselves

will overshadow.

I get it.

I get it.

The protests because of the mayhem are overshadowing the cry for help.

I think everybody got it the first time time he said it.

And you may have actually understood that.

I think my larger point here.

Okay, I'm looking for it.

Yeah.

Is that

they felt the need to put that on a card for this man.

That is a very basic concept that he should be able to explain over and over again without ever looking at a card.

But they were so worried he would go off script and start talking about corn pop and leg hair.

They had to write the exact phrasing, and he's so nervous about it, he has to check it over and over again.

Could I take this elevator down one more floor?

Sure.

To someplace closer to hell?

What if it wasn't them, his aides, that wrote it down?

What if it was him thinking, I've got a genius thing.

I've got to say this and I can't forget to say this.

That

was the thing that drove him.

He was like, I am going to master this interview because I got it down.

It's very possible and very scary.

You know, every once in a while, they catch, they have the over-the-shoulder shot of Trump where

he's crossed something out in a speech and he writes what he wants to say in big letters.

Can you imagine what Joe Biden's cards look like?

I mean, it probably says like squirrels and possums and leg hair and Oreos and like I would have no idea.

Corpod, Corpod, Corpod.

I think we should, we should imagine that.

Maybe on tomorrow's program, we should imagine that.

I'm just saying.

Also on tomorrow's program, we are going to do

police officers.

I'd love to have the police officers from all around the country phone in, tell us why you're still going to work, quite honestly,

and

how you're feeling.

That'll be on tomorrow's program.

Yes.

Cindy?

Hi, yes.

I just wanted to say I don't understand why you don't get what Stu's saying.

He's just simply saying the protests are

that they would overshadow

thank you very much, Cindy.

Why are you I think we all

get it?

What I'm saying is, let me know.

Hey, Stu, can I ask Stu.

Can I ask Stu

a question on

the poll numbers?

Everybody's freaking out about Donald Trump's poll numbers.

I don't think they mean crap right now.

Yeah, I'm kind of withy on that.

I mean, taking if we were in a normal election year, it would be very reasonable to to panic.

The polls are very bad.

To give you a quick outline of it, the worst the polls ever showed between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton was eight points that Hillary led by, and it was mostly like three or four and bounced back and forth between eight and basically a tie.

It's been an average of eight the entire time against Biden and is now worse than that.

But you can't take out of the picture the context of the moment.

Trump hasn't even attempted to attack Biden yet.

No one is focusing on this election yet.

So I think at this point,

he could be at nuclear war with Zimbabwe in a week, and it wouldn't be surprising.

There's a lot of time left.