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Dr.

Roy Wilson joins Glenn to talk about a training program that he started to help police departments de-escalate high-risk situations.

Also, make sure you check out the documentary Uncle Tom.

We have Larry Elder, executive producer of the documentary, to help explain the message the documentary is trying to tell.

And finally, just a riveting interview, The Last Hour with Lara Logan, as she joins Glenn to talk about Antifa, the now domestic terrorist group, and lots more.

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I want to start with a clip from Stephen Crowder from the Blaze TV.

Stephen went down and took his microphone down to the streets of Dallas during the daytime and was talking to somebody who was a graffiti artist about what was happening.

I want you to play this.

I want you to really listen to this conversation.

At least at that point, the officer has been held in accounting.

No, no, no, no, I don't give a about none of that.

That don't matter, bro.

So what would you say?

What matters is is the message get out, that that was not right.

That's what matters.

Well, I think the message is out.

No, I don't think so.

Do you think that breaking windows and the looting gets the message out, or do you think it hurts the message?

All of it is the message.

Everything, all of it is a part of the message, whether it's looting, whether it's painting on buildings, whether it's drawing on t-shirts, whether it's wearing certain shoes, all of it is a message, and it all needs to get out.

It all needs to get out.

Well, let me say, I think this is, I don't know the story exactly.

I think this is beautiful.

I think this, well, that's true.

But people can't loot.

People can't commit crimes because then that's a violation of other people's rights.

But the police can kill people.

No, they can't.

They shouldn't.

But they have been.

They have been.

And now people are looting and both are crimes.

No, and now people are rising up.

That's what it is.

People is rising up.

It ain't looting.

It's rising up.

So, this is the same.

Ask that.

Okay, stop.

This is the argument that you're having with people all around the country.

All around the country.

Even our kids, if you have older kids, might be saying things like this: that, hey, well, this has got to stop.

Yes, it does.

But you must separate the two.

We agree.

It's only when you merge these two together that we have problems.

Now, how do we talk about that?

How do we get our police?

to be able to talk to somebody when they don't see things the same way, except police should not be gunning down or kneeling on somebody's neck.

We agree on George Floyd.

So, how do we get past all of this?

Let me show you one more piece.

I want to

show you the piece of video that I saw yesterday that I thought was unbelievable.

It comes from Fayetteville.

The police officers lined up across the street, and they were in two or three rows, and it looked like they were ready for confrontation.

And then they took a knee.

And what happened afterwards was phenomenal.

Watch this video in case you haven't seen it and you're watching on the Blaze TV.

All of a sudden, after they take a knee,

many,

if not most of the protesters take a knee.

Takes them a while.

And you're seeing them trying to figure out, wait, what's happening here?

And the leadership of that protest kind of walks in front of them says take an e take an e

then what's amazing is a little child leads

who looks somebody who appears to be a child is the first one to go all the way over to the line and shake the hands of a police officer.

Several people approach, they may have said something, but it's the child that actually is the one that goes all the way to the line first.

And then more more people start coming to the line.

And they line up just like at the end of any

good sport

game where they all shake hands at the end.

This was miraculous.

Now there is training that is being started now and Wayne State University is starting police de-escalation training because they're not trained in any of this kind of stuff.

And M.

Roy Wilson is the president of Wayne State University.

He's with us now.

Do I call you M, like the James Bond, or Roy?

Or Mr.

Wilson?

Yes,

either is fine.

Dr.

Wilson, Roy, anything you want to call me.

Okay.

All right.

I kind of like M, and that's the one you left off.

So, Roy, tell me what you're doing

in trying to train the police, and how many officers and departments are involved?

Yeah, so let me just first of all say that, that

obviously being on radio, I couldn't see the image that you were portraying, but

I was picturing it the way you were describing it, and it was a very beautiful imagery.

And what happened there, the officers kneeling, it occurred to me that that is a form of de-escalation.

And that's what we're talking about, trying to

keep a situation from getting worse to aggression, into violence, and then ultimately sometimes people getting killed.

You know, Samuel Du Bois, you might remember, this is about four or five years ago now.

It was a black man that was fatally shot by a white University of Cincinnati police officer.

It was during a routine traffic stop.

And, you know, like the University of Cincinnati, you know, our officers are armed and have full police authority.

The reaction, of course, was

scathing in terms of what happened.

And even though our officers have a very good relationship with the community,

all it takes is just one incident to just break all that down.

And

it was devastating to the University of Cincinnati, and we don't want something like that happening here.

So this National De-escalation Training Center is an attempt to

start off with our own police department

and we've already had a couple of training sessions.

It's state-of-the-art de-escalation training, augmented with simulation training, and then use a hub and spoke model and have regional centers throughout the country.

And we've begun that in Texas and in North Carolina, and there'll be others coming along.

It's a nonprofit

that

is incorporated in the state of Michigan, or at least we've

started that process so that there's not a profit motive here at all.

It's really trying to get a public service to get out there and

get de-escalation training.

certainly among university police forces, but outside of that into other law enforcement too.

So, I have to tell you, Dr.

Wilson,

I'm glad to hear that this is going on because

we don't know how to talk to each other.

And I've seen a few examples of

the police here recently that have done some amazing things and just totally took the situation from very tense to

almost a joyous situation.

But what is the goal and what are the things that you are teaching?

Well,

it's based on personality profiling, being able to identify certain personalities quickly and based on the identification of personalities, being able to

respond

based on that particular personality.

The actual instrument is something that's been used for a while.

It's called DISC, DISC, which represents certain personality types.

But the

I don't want to get too technical here, but

there's been a modification of that to be even

more precise.

And so there's

four

personality types in DISC.

And now with this modification, there's twenty-six subtypes that can be used to identify particular personality types.

And then, based on that,

the law enforcement officers are trained to approach and modify their behavior

based on the personalities of

the subjects that they're apprehending.

So, my question is,

how do we get past

because we're arguing two things?

We're arguing about the protests and the riots, and I have no problem with peaceful protests at all.

You can protest for anything, and I'm fine, and I'll

stand by you and take the Billy Club to the head to stand up for your right to protest.

That's very American.

But then we have that mixed with the riots, which no American is for, and also mixed with this violence on George Floyd, which also, I think it's unanimous.

no one is backing that.

Everyone wants to see that guy go to jail.

How do we separate these things to be able to have a rational conversation?

Yeah, I mean, certainly it's very emotional.

You know, when you really think about it, a black boy today has a one in 1,000 chance of being killed by law enforcement.

Now, let me just put that in perspective.

Let's say out of a population of 10 million, that's 10,000.

And I picked that 10 million because that's the population of Michigan where Wayne State is.

And Michigan has been one of the states that has been ravaged by the coronavirus.

And yet when you really think about the number of deaths, it's about a little over 5,000.

So that's only half the number of black boys who will die if nothing is done.

And so the emotion is understandable

and

the sense of urgency is understandable.

But you're absolutely right.

I mean,

you have to separate the looting and the violence with the peaceful protests.

And unfortunately, I do think that

the actual message is getting a little bit drowned out by some of the negativity.

I think the riots are the worst thing for.

I mean, we could have been united on this easily because honestly, I don't know a single person that said, ah, well, it's no big deal.

I don't know a single person that said, you know, now they found that fentanyl was in

his bloodstream and he had a record, blah, blah, blah.

I still don't know anybody who said this was right.

I mean, I don't care what your record was.

If you are laying down on the ground and you have a police officer sitting

on your neck, I don't care if you're Charles Manson.

You are abusing human rights and you don't have a right as a cop to kill that guy.

Sloppy is not even begin to describe that.

And

I don't care who it is.

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It is an honor to have Larry Elder with us.

Larry Elder has been doing the Larry Elder Show for God only knows how long you've been doing it, Larry.

You've been a voice in the wilderness for a very long time.

Now you've come out with Uncle Tom, this documentary.

And I want to play a clip before we begin.

Play clip one, please.

Most people are completely oblivious to the history of the Democratic Party.

Party of slavery.

The history of the Democratic Party.

Dude, Crow They're erasing all of the history of this country.

They want to cover up history.

The real history, not the revisionist history.

If you are educated, black people have been taught a narrative that has been created.

You're actually miseducated.

And that's when I realized I've been lied to.

I had been misled.

It unraveled everything that I knew to be true.

The documentary is called Uncle Tom,

and it comes out next month.

You can find out information on uncletom.com.

Larry, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

Grant, I'm doing really great.

The only small correction, it comes out June 19th.

Just in a few days.

Oh, oh, okay.

Sorry.

I thought it was in July.

June 19th, great.

Yeah, June 19th, actually.

That's why we chose that date, Juneteenth.

That's the day of the celebration of the Emancipation Proclamation, so we thought we'd issue it out

on that date.

You know,

growing up, I grew up in Seattle, so I didn't know about Juneteenth.

Down in Texas,

it's huge.

I mean, it is a really big day down in Texas.

And it's actually the day that the Emancipation Proclamation made it to the slaves in Texas, right?

Right, right.

And I didn't celebrate it either.

I didn't even hear about that holiday until I got into college.

And Glenn, the reason I did, Uncle Tom, is because the young director, Justin Malone, approached me a couple years ago.

And he said, I'd like to interview you about why it is you get all this grief because you dare dare to dissent from the Democratic Party.

He said, What is it that people are, why are you guys called Uncle Tom and Kuhn and self-loather?

And I said, Well, it's because people have real strong views.

And he kept saying, Yeah, but why?

But why?

And the more you said it, Glenn, the more I realized there's never been any sort of examination about what it is that causes people like Alan West and Candace Owens and Larry Elder and Herman Cain and

Bob Woodson and some other people to be called all these vile names names when all we're suggesting is A, your fate is in your hands, B, America in the year 2020 is not America in the year 1820, and C, not everything that's bothering you can be traced to Jim Crow and slavery.

And for that reason, we're called all sorts of names.

Wouldn't it be good news, Glenn, if we were right?

I mean,

I'm looking at all this stuff going on in our streets, and I tell people that if anything, the cops are more hesitant, more reluctant, to pull the trigger on a black suspect than on a white suspect.

There have been several studies that suggest that, including one by a black economist at Harvard named Rolling Fire.

He said it was the most shocking result of his career.

He assumed his study was going to confirm the narrative that the police are out mawing down black people, using disproportionate force against them.

And he found not only was it not true, that cops were more hesitant, more reluctant to use deadly force against black people.

Now, when I say this, inevitably, Glenn, as you know, on radio, somebody will call up and they'll be hostile, and I'll be called Uncle Tom and all this.

And I always say to them, why don't you pull for me?

Why don't you want me to be right?

Call me naive.

Call me oblivious.

But my goodness, Uncle Tom, what is this?

We just had a black president, Glenn.

We had back-to-back black attorneys general for crying out loud, this is not your father's America.

And to act like it is, in my opinion, insults the hard work that people like MLK did to get us to the place we are right now.

MLK has got to be rolling in his grave, along, honestly, with George Floyd.

I mean, if this were my legacy

and this is what my death caused,

I would be horrified, horrified.

Absolutely.

And the premise, the premise is just false.

There are 7,000 black people who are killed on average in the last several years.

Almost all of them are killed by other blacks.

When you look at interracial black-white homicide, it is rare, but to the extent that it happens, it's about 750 times each year, Glenn.

500 of them are white people killed by blacks.

250 are blacks killed by whites.

So blacks at 13% of the population kill twice as many whites as whites kill with 61% of the population.

These are just facts.

Last year, there were nine unarmed blacks killed by the police.

There were 19 unarmed whites.

I defy your audience to name an unarmed white because MSNBC, CNN, Van Jones, Don Lamont, they don't give a damn about an unarmed white guy, but an unarmed black guy, let's call out the guard, let's bring up Washington, let's march on the city.

This is how the media manipulates you meanwhile Memorial Day weekend Chicago 10 people killed 49 people shot year to year more people shot in Chicago and killed in Chicago than last year even though they've been under a coronavirus shutdown we're not talking about that we're not talking about that because we're talking about the rare occasion unfortunate obviously where somebody a police officer has done something to a black guy an officer did not the police department this individual officer did let's deal with the individual officer or officers involved in the case.

You know,

the officer in this particular case, Larry, what are your thoughts on

him?

Well, I think that the officer who did this certainly should be charged.

Whether he's charged, whether he gets convicted of first-degree murder is a whole different ballgame, and that's what bothers me.

He's been charged with third-degree murder, which seems reasonable to me.

I doubt that he was intentionally trying to kill this guy in front of all these people and in front of the the police officer.

Right.

But certainly he acted negligently

in a criminal way.

Whether the other officers are equally culpable is another question that's open.

My concern, though, Glenn, is this autopsy that was done by Michael Biden and the lawyer, and they both said this suggests a first-degree homicide count should be filed.

Really?

First-degree requires intent deliberation.

Are you telling me that this guy got up in the morning and said, I'm going to find a black guy, I'm going to kneel on his neck and kill him in front of a bunch of people telling me not to do it and in front of three other police officers?

Good luck with that one.

And if that's the marker, you're going to have another riot when the jury comes back and says not guilty on first degree.

Yeah, well,

you cannot prove the intent and forethought.

I mean,

how are you going to unless he said to somebody, you know what,

that's what I'm going to do.

There's no way to have first degree murder.

Third degree murder, manslaughter, open and shut, open and shut case, in my opinion.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So, Larry, how do we have?

I've never seen something that America has come together on more than this.

I mean, I don't know of an American that's saying, no, let the police get away with it.

I don't know anybody who thinks this guy was right.

Not a soul.

And Glenn and Glenn, and that's the point.

It would be one thing if the fraternal order of police put out a statement and said, well, this is standard tactics.

How dare you accuse this officer of homicide?

In fact, if fraternal order of police put out a statement, denounce what these officers did.

I don't know a single cop, publicly or privately, who's ever said this is okay.

You've got a very liberal mayor who's sympathetic.

You've got the vice president of city council who happens to be black.

The state attorney general in Minnesota is black.

What gives you the impression that when all these officers were fired summarily and the lead cop arrested and charged, what makes you think we will not be thoroughly investigated such that you've got to go out in the streets and tear up the place for six or eight days now in a row?

This is absurd.

So what's happening, Larry?

What's happening is you've got a bunch of people who've been taught that if there's any kind of thing that goes wrong, you should assume that it's

a reflection of institutional racism.

It's a microcosm of institutional racism.

The point is, we've gotten to the point in America, in my opinion, Glenn, where race is so insignificant, the media and the so-called leaders have to invent stuff in order to keep blacks angry, so they pull that lever, 95 cents for the Democratic Party.

That's why I made this documentary.

The documentary simply gives black people permission to think for themselves.

That same line that one person gave me when he saw my film, I screened it for a couple hundred people, and he said it was completely different than what I thought it was going to be.

I thought it was going to be combative and angry and defensive.

It was nothing like that.

Your film gives black people permission to think for themselves.

It's not pro-Republican, it's not pro-Democrat, it's not pro-Trump, it's not anti-Trump.

It gives you permission to think for yourself.

Which party is the best party that will give your kid the best education?

The party that says you're going to go to a government school, whether you want to or not, or the party that wants to give you a choice?

Just think for yourself.

That's all Uncle Tom is asking.

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You know this, I don't have to tell you this, but there has been a coordinated effort to discredit voices that could make an impact that we're calling you back to the Constitution.

You know this because you've watched it happen to me and so many others that you have grown to love and trust.

It's a very well-funded operation.

It was about, I think, a hundred million dollars in

money and in basically free advertisement or free anti-PR that places like Media Matters spent and procured to take me down.

You'll read about it in Cheryl Atkinson's book.

I was kind of the prototype for it, and they have done it.

They've gotten much better, and they have done it time and time again.

It is time for us to stand with credible voices, the people that you have grown to trust, and be unashamed in speaking out for truth.

Lara Logan is one of those voices that we need to listen to.

If you're looking for, well, who will tell me the truth?

I truly believe in Lara Logan.

She was the chief foreign affairs correspondent for 60 minutes.

I mean, well, there was a time that, you know, not just anybody got on to 60 minutes, but now I think those days are over.

But she worked for CBS News for years.

She is a buttoned-up journalist with wide, wide contacts.

And she has been investigating Antifa

and the riots for a while.

And she knows the background of all of these organizations, and she's here to tell us what she thinks is really going on.

Hello, Laura.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, I'm good.

Thank you.

How are you?

Well, don't know about good.

Well, concerned right now.

Yeah.

I know that you're being taken down by media matters now for saying that you're lying.

Yeah, they're trying.

Yeah, they're trying.

But

they're saying that you are

lying about Antifa being involved in this.

So take us through this story and the facts that you have on Antifa.

It's kind of extraordinary that anybody in this country right now is defending

a very violent terrorist organization, right?

A network of organizations, because that's what these anarchist

groups really represent.

And you don't have to take my word for that.

I mean, A, look at what's happening on the streets.

And B, you know, more importantly, look at their history of doing this.

And then C, just go and see what they're saying about it, right?

I mean, because they're not hiding it, which is, in a way, even more concerning because for those of us who've followed this for a while and know that this is what they're doing and that this is what their agenda is,

that is what's always been troubling is the way that so many people in the media and in the political establishment have given them cover.

to operate, including law enforcement, by the way, and one administration after the other.

This is not a Democrat-Republican left-right blue, you know, red thing.

These are extremists.

And

you see a lot of parallels between extremists on the left and the right.

They're almost, you know, with one or two small differences, they pretty much operate.

the same way exactly.

I mean, there's no difference between what Antifa is doing and the brown shirts of Nazi Germany or the black shirts of Mussolini.

So they've perpetuated this extraordinarily successful deception operation where they have people

convinced that they're the anti-fascists.

That's what the name means, right?

But they're not at all.

They are extreme fascists who

their own literature shows that the world that they want is one where there are no laws

and in which there are no borders, no prisons.

But it's very interesting, of course, because how do you have all that?

but still actually have some form of order?

Well, somebody has to enforce it, right?

So this is where the ideology kind of breaks down um because there will be people enforcing it let me see who they are going to be wow the militant networks will enforce it i mean people need people need to understand abolitionist movement glenn you know go and look at the 10 points you know what has to happen for them to get to point number 10 in their words uh liberation begins when america dies and that's what they're looking for so people defending that um are really showing themselves for who they are right i mean they targeted you

they've come after me.

How many others?

There are so many others.

And they do it with their own deception operation.

They're pretending that they care about good journalism.

They don't.

They care about silencing, intimidating, destroying, annihilating, and getting us all to self-censor so that we don't cover any of the subjects they don't want us talking about.

Lara, let me take you to a bigger picture than just Antifa.

And that is,

I said probably 15 years ago that socialists, communists, radicals, anarchists, Islamists would all work together.

Not that they were coordinating, but they would all see the opportunity and they would all work for the same goal, and that's destruction of capitalism and destruction of the Western world.

I don't think there's any doubt in your mind that that's what's happening right now, correct?

You know, it's really interesting because a few years ago, I probably would not have agreed with you on that.

I would have agreed in principle that it's possible for people with the same intent and the same goals to align, but I didn't really see this coming.

I'm not going to take credit for that, right?

I mean, I'm cynical enough to know that just looking at the way the Iranians do it, they play every horse in the race and on all sides, and they've been extraordinarily successful at doing that.

So it's not that I don't think it's possible, but I now see that you are absolutely correct and you can add to that mix state actors, as they call them in the intelligence world, as a number of intelligence professionals have said, right?

So state actors like China, the Chinese Communist Party, whose ideology appears to align, certainly the intent aligns up right now beautifully because the Chinese government does not want Donald Trump and his administration anywhere near the Oval Office.

They do not want to be shut out of the World Trade Organization and global institutions.

They do not want the U.S.

sending, shutting down their vast network, surveillance network that they've infiltrated through the universities, but then from there into every kind of business, which I'm sure you've talked about on your show many times.

And they're not the only ones, right?

I mean, very alarmingly, I can't tell you, I can't give away my source.

But let's just say that the vice president of one of an allied country to us got in touch with me recently.

And when he sends me these kind of messages, I like,

you know, I kind of like, ah, because this man is probably the most brilliant man I've ever met in my life.

And

when he's asking, you know, about

is this really happening?

Because what I'm seeing and what I'm hearing from the region is that this is the end of the US.

And

it's looking like this is

not going to pass.

And we're wondering where that leaves us.

And America is a beacon in our world.

It's a beacon in the dark.

And

if we lose you, we've lost everything.

And when I saw that, this is a country, by the way, that we have not been kind to of late.

This is not a country that

is immune to criticizing the United States.

And this is somebody I have enormous respect for who is extremely plugged in.

When he says the region.

He's talking to the region.

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