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Lot to talk about, a lot to get into.

Uh, there was an amazing press conference from the president yesterday

where he did basically a talk radio show during it.

It was kind of

cool.

Uh, we'll get into that in just 60 seconds.

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He's feeling a little under the weather today.

24-hour COVID-19, I think, right?

It's just got COVID-24.

24.

24-hour COVID.

He actually, in his email today to tell us he was not going to be in because he was feeling sick, sick,

he made the distinction that it was not coronavirus, which I don't know how you do that exactly.

That's not what a doctor does, right?

You don't just say, oh, him?

I don't think he's got it.

You have to have a test or something, at least have the symptoms.

But he claims he does not have coronavirus.

He's been self-isolating for quite some time now.

A long time.

Yeah.

It's been six weeks, has it already?

Yeah, it's been a long time.

I think, yeah.

And so he's not really popped out of the house for much of anything.

And he will not be in today, not feeling well, which is sad.

That is sad.

But

we'll monitor

his symptoms and let you know if it's turning into any of the COVIDs one through 24.

Now, if you don't have one through 18, will you understand when you have

the subtle nuances of the disease, when you have 19?

No, you don't.

I didn't have any of the first 18.

I'm supposed to understand this.

I just feel like everyone's already on the COVID-19 bandwagon.

I can't just join it now.

I got to go back and go COVID-19, COVID-2.

Right.

Go all the way up the list.

So, like, I tried to watch a Game of Thrones starting in the final season.

Oh, you did?

It didn't make any sense at all.

I didn't know any of the characters.

I didn't know what they were doing.

I didn't know what to do.

So, you didn't enjoy it.

You were associated with it.

I didn't know any why they were upset at certain things.

None of it made any sense at all.

And that's what people are understanding now with COVID-19.

You can't just jump in.

Right.

No.

You got to start at the beginning.

How did you feel about the President's Press press conference yesterday?

You know, part of it I liked a lot.

Yeah.

Quite honestly.

Part of it was really good.

And we'll show you that part because

he came out and he was obviously pissed off about the New York Times article over the weekend that said

why he was a failure on the coronavirus response.

And it just...

outlined, you know, how stupid he is and how he waited on this and he didn't listen to the right people, listen to the wrong people, all of that from the New York Times.

And they didn't really, they didn't really back anything up with any evidence, with any facts.

It was just, it was mostly an opinion piece, and he was not happy about it.

And so he came out ready to

go after the media.

And here's what happened.

It's Trump

does the talk radio bit because it's a lot like a talk radio show here.

Cut number

but I took this action early.

And

so the story in the New York Times was a total fake.

It's a fake newspaper, and they write fake stories.

And someday, hopefully in five years when I'm not here, those papers are all going out of business because nobody's going to want to read them.

But now they like them because they write about me.

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And then we'll answer some questions.

I'll ask you some questions because you're so guilty, but forget it.

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Okay?

Please, you can put it on.

Thank you.

People should be more concerned right now with the flu in this country.

A lot of people are concerned about the coronavirus because they're hearing a lot of news about it right now.

But the reality is, comparing it to the flu, for example, it's not even close to being at that stage.

What if it is worse?

Is this a moment where maybe countries put politics aside, a little bit of pride aside?

And do we have U.S.

officials?

Should U.S.

professionals such as yourself get involved?

How worried should Americans be about coronavirus?

Coronavirus is not going to cause a major issue in the United States.

Hmm.

Okay, so there's some experts.

While the president

took decisive action, and then there's the timeline of the actions that took.

This is where the orchestra walked into the room and started playing music.

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Okay, even as partisans sniped and criticized.

As there were more cases and it was clear that it was spreading out of China where it originated, the president took this move that he was widely criticized for by Democrats and even some Republicans at the time, which was he halted a number of flights from China into the U.S.

The idea was to halt the spread of the disease, keep transmissions to a minimum.

He was accused of xenophobia.

He was accused of making a racist move.

At the end of the day,

it was probably effective because it did actually take a pretty aggressive measure against the spread of the virus.

Bipartisan governors recognize the president's support.

This is incredible.

His team is on it.

They've been responsive late at night, early in the morning,

and they've thus far been doing everything that they can do.

And I want to say thank you, and I want to say that I appreciate it.

He He returns calls, he reaches out, he's been proactive.

We got that

mercy ship down here in Los Angeles.

That was directly because he sent it down here.

2,000 medical units came to the state of California, these FMS, these field medical stations, and that's been very, very helpful.

The president has been outstanding through all this.

The vice president's been outstanding.

Members of the coronavirus task force, very responsive.

We had asked if we could have, New Jersey have access to a piece of the beds that are on the USNS comfort, and the president came back, called me a short few minutes before I walked in here to say indeed they would grant that to New Jersey.

So that's a big step for us, in addition to all the other capacity.

That news is literally hot off the press, and I thank the President and Vice President who are on the call together.

President Trump approved Arizona's request for a presidential major disaster declaration.

I want to thank the president for a quick turnaround.

We requested this on a Wednesday, and we had approval by Saturday morning.

And we are grateful to the administration for their continued support and responsiveness.

Well, first of all, I want to thank the president of the president's president for doing a really good job of communicating with all the governors.

There you go.

Now he comes back out.

So we could give you hundreds of clips like that from

governors, including Democratic or Democrat, as I call them, governors, which is actually the correct term.

We could give you hundreds of clips just like that.

We have them.

We didn't want this to go on too long, but I just want to say it's,

you know, it's very sad when people write false stories like, in that case, I guess it was gotten mostly from the New York Times, which is a highly

I mean, if you had libel laws they would have been out of business even before they'll end up going out of business so it's too bad but we could have given you saw the statements we have hundreds of statements hundreds of statements including from Democrats and Democrat governors

so

there it is like a like a full talk radio presentation and we're out of time for today's show we'll see you tomorrow

that's in the middle of a press conference amazing I mean look he has to make the case because no one else is going to make it for him well and he's under

barrage.

I understand that.

Non-stop.

Right.

I mean, I don't, you know,

it's funny.

One of the clips he plays in the middle is another clip that I played on this show and I think on the news and Why It Matters on Blaze TV from Maggie Haberman, as well as my show, Stu Does America, by the way.

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But the Maggie Haberman clip is interesting in that it was on the podcast The Daily, which is the big New York Times podcast.

Maggie Haberman's basically their top reporter.

Goes back and forth between Donald Trump's favorite reporter and least favorite reporter, depending on the day.

And she made that point in the middle of that program, which was interesting.

I mean, it was the first time I had heard a mainstream reporter acknowledge that number, not only did the move work when it came to banning flights from China, but also that we acknowledged there was unfair criticism that was unfounded.

It wound up being untrue about the move.

Yeah, because the Democrats were all screaming how racist it was.

It was xenophobic and racist.

Yeah.

It was racist when he did it to China.

And then when he banned flights from Europe, now you're banning allies.

These are our allies.

You can't, what kind of message is that sending?

That's xenophobic, right?

So he couldn't win.

He can't win on that.

And I will say that that podcast is a 30-minute podcast or so in which 28 and a half minutes are saying he didn't do a good job.

And then there's that minute

on that particular one that you know.

Yeah, and

it's funny, it's the same source that he's complaining about, the New York Times.

Yep.

And they're making largely the same point as that article

that was in the New York Times that he's complaining about.

And the point is, at least, you know, the point of all of this from the New York Times perspective is that he did act early in January, but then didn't follow it up in February.

And they are trying to zero in on this three-week period, the last week of February and the first two weeks of March, where it seemingly to experts was obvious that this was going to get really bad and he didn't do enough.

And like, stepping back from

you can't trust their criticism.

You can go and find much later dismissive comments from people like Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio and Nancy Pelosi and all of these people.

Like, you can do all of that.

But that is really something that is better

done after this is over.

Is it not?

Yes.

We can go back and examine every move Donald Trump makes in the beginning of March once we get past the immediate crisis that is going on.

The fact that the media is spending all of these resources trying to pick apart every little decision made before we knew how serious this was or as it led up to the time where we understood how serious it was and trying to make it into a political issue now is disgraceful.

There's no reason.

This can be, this is an interesting conversation.

It may even inform your vote in November.

Maybe it will.

Maybe you'll look at this and say Donald Trump did a great job or Donald Trump did a terrible job.

But I think we can all understand that this is not the time to litigate that.

We are in the middle of a crisis right now.

Yeah.

And yet the media can't let it go.

They can't.

They hate him so much that that's all they know how to do is to criticize him and his every move.

And they're trying to plant in the mindset of the American people that he blew this, that it's a failure, and that people have died because of his inaction.

And that's what they want the impression to be when you go to vote in November, whether it's by mail or in person.

That's the impression they want you to have that Donald Trump failed.

And so I think he sees the necessity to combat some of that.

Because if he doesn't, who's going to?

I mean, we are, but we're going to say some things.

But he wants to take his opportunity as well with the bully pulpit that he has and refute some of this nonsense.

I don't blame him.

I don't blame him.

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So obviously CNN was offended by that, by Donald Trump's press conference.

And John King tells us all why he's so offended.

The president has every right to defend himself.

The president has a few key points he wants to make about his action on the China ban.

He's absolutely correct.

However, I spent nine and a half years in that building, close to 10 years in that building, including in that briefing room as a White House correspondent.

Many of them working with you back in the Clinton administration.

Then I stayed on through the George W.

Bush administration.

That was propaganda.

That was not just a campaign video.

That was propaganda aired at taxpayer expense in the White House briefing room.

And it was selective, cherry-picking information.

Again, the president has every right to be proud of imposing the travel restrictions on China.

He was criticized by other people at the time.

And it turns out every public health expert will now tell you that that helped.

That helped.

That was the one thing the president did early on.

Some of those other things that were announced in there were cherry-picked, and they ignore some things.

Like on January 22nd, when the president was asked by CNBC,

is there going to be a

pandemic?

No, not at all.

That was the President of the United States on January 22nd.

The president in early February said, looks like in April, you know, in theory, it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.

The president said then on February 26th at the White House, this is the flu.

This is like the flu.

He said in that same press conference, we're going to get very substantially 15 people, 15 within a couple of days.

It's going to be down to zero.

I could go on and on and on with other things the president has said.

Again, he has every right to defend himself.

He has every right to push back.

He has every right to

challenge things that are factually not true.

But to play a propaganda video at taxpayer expense in the White House briefing room is a new, you can insert your favorite word here, in this administration.

There are ways to do things, and then there's that.

That's just playing out propaganda in the James Brady briefing room of the White House.

And CNN wants the corner market, the market cornered on propaganda.

They want to be the only propagandists in this battle.

Don't step in on our turf.

Right.

We're the propagandists every day.

We're the ones who do this and cherry-pick news usually.

We don't want him doing that.

I mean, that's despicable.

That's just despicable.

And the inane idea that Donald Trump was going to shut down the U.S.

economy in early February.

It's assigned.

It's so ridiculously silly.

There were literally, what, 15 people in early February with the disease in this country.

You're going to shut down America because 15 people have it?

No, yeah, look.

Now, you know it's going to spread,

but you're not thinking at that point that, you know, there's going to be 500,000 of us with the disease.

No, and look, it was 15 people that had tested positive.

We know probably there were more here, and we were trying to get a handle on it.

We've talked about the testing issues that largely came from the bureaucracy of the CDC.

And

that was an issue.

It's one that we were able to overcome here and now are testing over 100,000 people every single day.

Over 3 million so far.

Yeah, over 3 million so far.

It took a little time.

Everything did not go perfectly.

But the idea.

It never does.

It never does.

And you're telling me we could also go back and find a million clips of the media, as Trump did some of that there, where they say

it's not going to be that big of a deal.

Including Anthony Fauci, by the way, who multiple times early on said it wasn't going to be a big deal for America.

Yeah, and look, you know,

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I did a show on Stu Does America basically saying, look, before, I don't know, what do you want to say?

Early to mid-March, right?

Pretty much, I think everybody gets a pass.

I mean, you can go to certain experts who are predicting it.

There were some, but this is a stat I quote often to show where the mindset was, because this has happened so fast.

One month ago one month ago 87% of people polled believed it would be less than 10,000 deaths 87

so only the most alarmist people in our society had any idea how bad this would get okay yeah it did turn out that way they usually don't right um so you can understand why people had different opinions although it did not turn out as bad as some predicted i mean the cdc was saying 2.2 million yeah I mean, that was if we did nothing, which, of course, what society is going to do nothing?

You know what?

Let's just let it flow.

Let them all die.

Don't even let them in the hospitals.

Let them die.

They all die to 240,000 a couple of weeks ago.

100 to 240,000, yeah.

Yeah.

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Is Anthony Fauci going to get fired?

We'll talk about it next.

It's Pat and Stu for Glenn on the Glenn Back program, 888727B E C K.

So

the press is doing everything they can right now to pit Anthony Fauci against President Trump.

Yes.

They're trying desperately to make something out of that relationship so that the president will fire him, and then they can all come down on him like a ton of bricks because he fired this expert that everybody respects medically.

That's what they want so badly.

Oh, yeah.

And they keep trying to pit him against each other.

Now, remember, they did the same thing with James Comey.

Yeah.

They came out and they said

he needs to fire James Comey.

Look, if Comey's bad, Comey's bad, Comey's bad.

The second he fired him, they all turned on him and said it was a massive constitutional violation.

And they will do the same thing with Fauci.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

If that happens, this is what they will do.

They will completely switch on it.

It's interesting, though, to see where this is coming from.

Because, I mean, I think...

The American people, generally speaking, have had positive reviews of the way Trump has handled this from the beginning.

He's had good approval ratings.

He's seen as positive.

A good chunk of that reason is because he's the nation's leading infectious disease expert is backing up every one of his moves.

You can tell there's tension there occasionally, right?

You can tell that.

You can tell that Fauci doesn't agree with some of what Trump says.

Right.

But I will say that he goes out of his way

over and over and over again to allow,

to give the best possible spin for the president.

One of the things that I thought was very important that he did early on was to say, look,

my job has nothing to do with figuring out if the economy is good or not.

That's the president's job.

All I can do is tell him the medical advice, and he has a higher responsibility than I do to judge all of it together and make a decision.

That is a more difficult job than just taking it down the road of

the medical advice.

Because anybody could do that, right?

We could just assign doctors to be president of the United States if that's what we wanted.

That's not what we want, right?

The example popped up in my head, Pat, is how many times have we tried to do like a comedy bit or something that's maybe edgy, and it's edgy enough that they make us go to the attorneys?

And what do the attorneys always

say?

No.

No.

Don't do it.

It opens you up.

Error on the side of caution.

Err on the side of caution.

It opens you up to too much risk.

You guys are going to get, you could get yourself in trouble.

They could, someone could sue.

Someone could complain.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

They will always say that because they're seeing it from one perspective.

Their expertise is, show me the problems when it comes to the law.

Understandable, right?

That doesn't mean that they're bad at their job, but

that doesn't mean that you as a host or you as a company say, okay, well, every time the lawyer says no, we don't do it.

Because then you'll never do anything, right?

Right.

And the same thing happens here with Trump.

Obviously, you could get to a point.

When you're talking about the medical advice here, where we could all stay inside forever and that will probably help coronavirus go away, right?

But that's not a sensible decision.

We could also say the speed limit should be four,

and we'll have a lot less traffic deaths.

But it's not necessarily, when you take in the entire decision-making process, the way you go.

So Fauci's been pretty upfront with that.

And the clip that was so controversial with Jake Tapper over the weekend, I don't even think sounded, to me, didn't even sound like criticism of the president.

It was just the obvious acknowledgement that if they had acted a little earlier, things may have been better.

But that's on Fauci as well.

He's not absolving himself from this at all.

Here's the clip.

This is from Jake Tapper's weekend show thing.

Sanjay Gupta said

this is all because we got started too late in the U.S.

Is that right?

Do you agree?

You know, it isn't as simple as that.

It isn't simple as that, Jake.

I'm sorry.

I mean,

to just say this is all happening because we got started too late.

Obviously, if you look, could you have done something a little bit earlier, would have had an impact, obviously.

But where we are right now is the result of a number of factors.

The size of the country, the heterogeneity of the country.

I think it's a little bit unfair to compare us to South Korea, where they had an outbreak in Degu, and they had the capability of immediately, essentially, shutting it off.

off completely in a way that we may not have been able to do right in this country.

We have a constitution.

Obviously, I would have been nice if we had a better head start, but I don't think you could say that we are where we are right now because of one factor.

It's very complicated, Jake.

I mean, he's disagreeing with Gupta's analysis there.

He's saying that, no, it's not fair.

It is not fair to say this about our response.

Everybody with perfect 2020 hindsight, of course you can say, I wish I would have done something differently.

If you are buying a stock and the company profile is amazing and all of a sudden COVID-19 hits and that stock goes through the floor, of course you could look at it and say, okay, well, obviously I wish we didn't buy that stock, but that doesn't mean it was a bad decision at the time or that you handled it incorrectly at the time.

You can only do the best, you know, you can only consider the information you have

at the time.

And all he's saying there is, number one, we couldn't have handled it.

The way all of Trump's critics are saying it should have been handled.

We can't, we're not South Korea.

We've got a constitution that protects the United States and the people inside of it from having full lockdown and unlimited invasions of privacy.

We don't get to dox all of our citizens.

That's not the way this country works.

So he's acknowledging that.

It's not even criticism.

It's not even criticism.

It's just the, I swear the media just wants to make this into a fight when there isn't a fight.

I think there's a natural tension between

someone who is arguing for the most restrictive ways to protect people at all costs.

And I'm sure the same thing is happening.

We're just not getting as much publicity about it, with people in his economic council who are saying, you got to open this up, Mr.

President.

What are you doing?

We got to do this.

And the president is saying, well, we need to also consider the other side, the medical side.

He's the only one in this group that has to consider all of it.

Right.

And so he has a different responsibility than these people do.

That's natural tension, which is normal in one of these conversations.

And he's dealing with the other side of the equation where they are telling him we should be going for 18 months on shutdown.

Exactly.

18 months?

We wouldn't have a country left.

No, there's not.

After a year and a half.

You're not protecting anything at that point.

The airline industry is gone.

The restaurant industry is gone.

Yeah.

How about the medical innovations?

How are those coming along?

Right.

Yeah.

Hotels would be shut down.

I mean,

you would shutter so many businesses and lose so many jobs.

I mean, what do you have?

60, 70, 80% in unemployment if you go a year and a half?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, at least.

Incomprehensible to consider that.

The damage would be beyond repair.

Now, that doesn't mean we won't be dealing with this in 18 months in some way, right?

It's possible that that's going on, but you're going to have to come up with a solution better than just shutting everything down for 18 months.

That doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

Well, they're talking right now about maybe rolling shutdowns.

If something flares up somewhere, maybe you shut down a few things in that area, but you don't do that nationwide.

Right.

Like, I think it makes sense, right?

Like, let's say if we were starting again

at zero, there's zero cases in the United States, and we were able to have all this stuff ramped up.

We have tests, we have masks, we have ventilators, we have all the things that have been a struggle.

And why this time, I think the president was right to buy us this time, to ramp all that stuff up.

But once you have it, if you have an area, you're in Wyoming and

you're in an area with no breakouts.

If a breakout starts or an outbreak, I guess, starts of COVID-19, you are tracing the contacts, you are isolating the people involved, you are doing everything you can to minimize that outbreak.

When you're prepared and you understand how the thing spreads, and we know that it's, you know, asymptomatic, people can spread it, and all of these different things, once you know that, you have a chance to stop it.

You can't do it.

They try to do it in Los Angeles with all the stuff, the contact tracing and all that.

Too many people had it.

It's impossible, right?

That's why the shutdown was something they went with, because it was beyond the point that South Korea was.

It was beyond the point where Hong Kong was.

It was beyond the point where Singapore was.

They couldn't do that approach at that time.

If you can stamp out the initial wave of it, get these infections lower, you can do it when a new outbreak occurs.

And that's what I think their target is going to be.

It was especially difficult because now they're saying that

it was much more widespread earlier than

they believed.

You know, in other words, people had it in California long before they thought anybody had it in California.

That's what they're supposedly finding now.

And

I can well imagine that's true because there were a lot of asymptomatic people.

Yeah.

There were a lot of people who were just walking around that had it that didn't know they had it.

And we didn't have the tests at first.

Right.

We know that there was more people, where there were more people that had it, but we don't know when they arrived and we don't know what the percentage is.

And we're not going to know that, honestly.

We're not going to know the full facts of this for a very long time until people are going to go back and do this analysis.

This is how you find out how many people were affected, is they do analysis after the fact.

That's why these things are difficult to deal with.

Fauci, though, and Trump, I don't think either one of them were taking the bait on this from the media.

Fauci started off the press conference yesterday refuting reports that Trump didn't listen to him last time.

Again, he's in full defense mode of the president here.

Listen.

The first and only time that Dr.

Burks and I went in and formally made a recommendation to the president to actually have a quote shutdown in the sense of not really shutdown, but to really have strong mitigation, we discussed it.

Obviously, there would be concern by some that, in fact, that might have some negative consequences.

Nonetheless, the president listened to the recommendation and went to the mitigation.

The next second time that I went with Dr.

Berks into the president and said, 15 days are not enough.

We need to go 30 days.

Obviously, there were people who had a problem with that because of the potential secondary effects.

Nonetheless, at that time, the president went with the health recommendations.

And again, remember, Anthony Fauci is in, and I think this is part of the reason he's getting pushback from conservative media, is because he's in this annoying Brad Pitt mode where the left is trying to make him into this hero that's rescuing Trump from a disaster.

Right.

But that's a media creation.

That's not his creation.

He has been like that.

over and over and over again publicly.

And think about this, Pat.

Guy has an 80% approval rating right now.

80%.

If he wanted to do the James Comey, I'm a martyr thing, he could absolutely do it.

And the media would eat it up.

Oh, yeah.

They would eat it up.

They would love it.

They would love for him to be able to say, look, I tried over and over again to get him to do these things earlier and he wouldn't do it.

He wouldn't listen.

He could write books.

He could be every single news program would have him on in this fawning fashion.

They would be making the videos that Trump made of himself in the press conference for Anthony Fauci.

And he hasn't done that, right?

He may do it in the future.

Who knows?

But as of this point, he seems to be pretty focused on making sure as few people die as possible.

And I'd argue that maybe that's the same thing Trump's focused on.

Maybe Trump is also focused on not having people die.

You know, the media is so constantly

in this mode of pressuring the Trump administration to make it about this battle between him and the the media.

And obviously, he likes that at some level.

You can tell.

He enjoys it.

But, you know, when it comes down to the actual decision-making, take out the press conference, take out the words, take out those little silly battles, and look at what the guy's done.

He is in the middle of his election year, a guy whose entire election argument has focused on how good the economy is.

And Donald Trump made the decision to shut down large portions of the economy for six weeks in the the middle of the election year, taking one of the strongest economies we've ever had and destroying it in a month.

What information,

what does he think is going to happen?

He obviously thinks a lot of human life is at stake.

Yes.

And it's not just...

Otherwise, he wouldn't have taken that.

Yeah.

Nobody believes in wanting the economy open more than Donald Trump.

More than I do.

More than you do.

More than anybody in the audience does.

Donald Trump wants this economy open more than anyone does.

It's just the issue of he's looking at this information and saying, wait a minute, how much human life are we going to look at here?

Yeah.

You know, let's give us some time to be able to ramp up, make sure.

I mean, the fact that we don't have enough masks in the United States is ridiculous, right?

Now we've had a month to build these things up and we shouldn't have that issue going forward.

That's a big advantage when you're facing the next outbreak.

And I think he's walked an impossible line pretty freaking well so far.

And the idea that Fauci needs to go, I think it would be a political problem for Trump if he did.

It'd be really bad.

But also, I think so much of this is forced by the media.

They continually want to draw a wedge between them because they can't criticize Fauci.

So they can't criticize him.

So

they want to separate those two so they can praise him and criticize Trump.

Shouldn't let him do it.

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Joe Biden, obviously the presumptive nominee at this point.

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interesting article written over the weekend, I think it was.

Was it Saturday or was it Sunday in the New York Times about the accusation against him that he sexually assaulted a woman on his staff in 1993?

We'll get into what the New York Times had to say about that coming up in just a minute.

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So, the New York Times

supposedly looked into Joe Biden's sexual assault of the woman back in 1993 that was on his staff.

And, I mean, it was pretty blatant.

When you listen to her story,

she sounded really believable, I thought.

I certainly believed her.

Yeah, I mean,

it's tough, right?

Because it's an accusation from 27 years ago.

27 years ago.

That's a problem.

Yeah.

And, you know, again, I don't know how you can litigate those things 27 years later.

It's almost impossible.

Now, I know there is one system to do it, which is the Kavanaugh model, which is you just believe anything the person says, proof or not,

and say that it's unconscionable for anyone to allow a person like Brett Kavanaugh to ever exist in polite society again.

That's one model.

It's the model that the left has adopted for every conservative or Republican.

Until now, at least, because people like, I don't know, Alyssa Milano were saying, oh, yeah, women, and Hillary Clinton, women deserve to be believed.

Okay, well, do men not deserve due process?

Because they're being accused of something pretty serious here.

Should at least go through the process.

And that wasn't the case with Brett Kavanaugh.

But now, all of a sudden, oh yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I mean, you should take him seriously, but you don't believe him automatically.

Yeah, that was the the Alyssa Milano line.

I love that because it's what you're arguing for is the conservative standard.

What we're saying is when someone, a woman says she's been abused, you take that claim seriously.

You encourage it, and this is very important, important part of this, you encourage it to come out as soon afterward as possible,

ideally with authorities, not through the media.

And you go through the evidence and try to understand what happened.

And if someone is guilty after a due process situation, then you're very excited to throw them in prison for as long as possible.

That's what conservatives have always been asking for.

It's what we, the standard we wanted for Brett Kavanaugh, right?

There was no one that I knew of that was like, gosh,

I mean, Brett probably did this, but, you know, look, I hope he gets away with it because he's going to be a good vote of the Supreme Court.

I know no one who thought that way.

No.

There's tons of Supreme Court justices, frankly, others that I would have picked besides Brett Kavanaugh,

just because of his voting record.

Nothing to do with his high school drinking habits.

But, like, it was unfair.

He was obviously qualified for the job.

And you can't give in to the left and the media dogpiling on Brett Kavanaugh without any evidence.

Right.

There's much,

seriously, much, much more evidence that Joe Biden did this than Brett Kavanaugh did what he was accused of.

Oh, yeah.

It's not even remotely close.

She actually told one of her friends at the time in 1993 that this occurred.

She also told

her mom, which we can't quantify because her mom is no longer with us, but so well we can even throw that one away, but told two other people as well, one in 2008 and another back, I think, at the time.

So you have...

And they've all corroborated.

Yeah, they've all corroborated.

Yeah.

No one said, unlike, you know, for example, one of the Michael Avenatti.

accusers who said, you know, who might know is this person.

And then they asked this person, they're like, actually, I don't know who you're talking about.

Who's this?

I don't know the name you're referring to.

Didn't even not only did she not know about the incident, but didn't know about the actual person who was making the accusation.

It wasn't like that.

This is one where she seemingly is backed backed up by, as they would call it, contemporaneous

testimony.

Yeah.

And it is a situation where

if this was a Republican, it would be rock-solid, 100% proof that they did this.

That is absolutely true.

If Joe Biden was a Republican, the media would be handling this completely differently and assuming guilt at every level.

No doubt about it.

So it's important to note, it's not just some flimsy, wild-eyed accusation.

But that being said, even though I don't want Joe Biden to be president, he deserves due process.

He deserves a presumption of innocence.

And the fact that you come out 27 years later and say something occurred that there is no way to show any evidence of, that is, to me, not enough to destroy a person's life, a person's career, a person's political aspirations.

And it's particularly suspicious when it's against a powerful figure.

You know, this guy's running for president right now.

He's the Democratic nominee for president.

And of course, you have to have some level of suspicion as to whether it's true.

And

the media would not allow for that during Kavanaugh.

Joe Biden would not allow for it.

His quote was like, any woman who would stand up in the fire of the public eye deserves to be the assumption needs to be that the essence of their story is correct.

Right.

Not now.

Not now.

Not now.

Not according to his campaign.

No, Joe

categorically denies that this happened.

Well, Joe has never, he's not addressed it.

And it's fascinating to me that nobody asks him about it.

Thank you.

Nobody asks him.

Because I was listening to the New York Times did a big story on this.

Finally, it took

20 days, something like that,

from the accusation.

They decided to finally follow up on it and understand it, which is interesting because if it was made against a Republican day one, there's a new story about it.

The next day.

Outlining the allegations without question.

And at the very end, there'd be like, the Trump administration denied the claims.

Right.

Like, that's all you'd get from the other side.

It would just be, and it would be a cinematic telling of it.

You know, she walked into the dark room with a fire burning into the corner, the cold steel of the table.

You would have had the whole, it would have felt like a movie.

You would have been able to picture yourself there, and you would have pictured Donald Trump doing this to this woman.

Instead, it's a police blotter of an article.

Yep.

She claims this.

She claims this.

She claims this.

They claim this.

They claim this.

It's like, it's nothing.

It's just, it's not even a story.

It's just like a bunch of claims and

the fact that people who currently work for Joe Biden or people who worked for Joe Biden back in the day say they don't remember anything like it.

They can't, of course, disprove it,

but they say they don't remember anything like it.

But there's no pattern of sexual assault in Joe Biden's past.

I love this.

And then at the very end, they outline the pattern of Joe Biden's sexual assault

with people, with women who have been, you know, uncomfortable and who have made claims that

he did sexually assault them in some way.

Right.

Whether through a kiss that was unwanted or touching that's unwanted.

Here's the initial tweet, and this is also in the story, you should know, initially, and then was changed.

Here's what they said: No other allegation about sexual assault surfaced in the course of our reporting, nor did any former Biden staff corroborate Reed's allegation.

We found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Biden

beyond hugs, kisses, and touching that women previously.

Beyond the pattern that we've found.

Right.

And that's an issue with patterns.

You can't throw out all previous evidence and ever have a pattern, right?

A pattern is something that is repeated.

So if you throw out all the other examples you have of it, nothing can be a pattern.

Yes.

This is they had, obviously, there is an issue that Joe has with being a little handsy.

Yeah.

It's been joked about for a very long time.

And we've seen the pattern repeat itself over and over and over again.

It is a pattern.

Bike women sitting on his lap in a bar.

I mean, there's all kinds of

the Senate greeting thing that he does with the new senators and congressmen.

Oh, they come in and he's all over their families and stuff.

It's weird.

Yeah.

It's been weird.

And it was a jokey thing for a very long time among conservatives and Republicans who just note it was weird.

Yes.

It changed into something else when seven individual women came out and said, it really made us feel uncomfortable.

Like, it wasn't a joke to them.

They really didn't like it.

Yeah.

And especially this one person who was on the and she was one of the seventh right yeah so the new york times talked to her back when they were doing this initial story and they seem to claim that she brought up additional things other than just a little hair sniffing um and uh you know uncomfortable touching but because they couldn't get any corroboration they didn't put it in the story well here we are uh you know wow what a difference from kavanaugh oh yeah They had no corroboration at all.

Remember.

We didn't put it in the stories anyway.

Yeah, remember with Kavanaugh, not only did we not have the time it happened, we didn't even have the location it happened.

Right.

And if my memory serves me, I don't know that we ever had any information that they ever met.

Do we ever know that Kavanaugh and Blasey Ford met when they were in high school?

I don't think so.

I don't remember.

It's possible I'm forgetting details there, but I don't remember that being the case.

So there's much more information here.

The Times was asked, and actually gives some credit to Ben Smith, who he used to be the guy who ran BuzzFeed.

He's over at the New York Times now.

He did an interview

basically with the Times, asking the Times, his own employer, what the hell happened here exactly?

You know, his first question was, Tara Reid made her

allegation on March 25th.

Why not cover it then as breaking news?

That is an interesting one because you don't have to have a full investigation done the day she makes the investigation, but you don't even report on it.

No passing story.

And And listen to this answer by, this is

the, what's his actual position here?

The executive editor of the Times.

This is his answer.

Lots of people covered it as breaking news at the time.

First of all, come on.

What?

Right-wing blogs?

Right?

Like, there were not a lot of people who covered it that way in the mainstream media.

He says, lots of people covered it as breaking news at the time.

Plus, aren't you the paper of record?

Right.

Wouldn't you want to be part of that breaking news?

Of course, right?

You'd think.

Thanks.

Lots of people covered it as breaking news at the time.

And I just thought nobody other than the intercept was actually doing the reporting to help people figure out what to make of it.

My gosh.

So the New York Times is now ceding its authority to the intercept.

Wow.

To say, oh, well, look, the intercept had it, so we didn't need to do anything on it.

Don't you know what the intercept is?

I think it's Glenn Greenwald's thing, which

and like, you know, again, no knock on the intercept, right?

I mean, it's just not.

But like, would they say, you know what?

Look, we just did, we saw the Blaze was covering it, and we were just like, ah, the Blazes got it.

Just let them have this one.

Like, that's not what you do in the news business.

No, it is not.

Everyone writes about the same stories every day, just like the New York Times does every day.

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This one is incredible, actually.

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Was the.

Was the hacking show Mr.

Robot?

Yes, Mr.

Robot.

That would have bothered me all day.

Thank you, Pat.

Yeah, no problem.

All right.

So

the New York Times made some stunning admissions in the story.

One was that they just seeded the coverage to the intercept and others.

Yeah, it's been covered by other people.

We don't need to.

And the other one is...

That they actually changed the story, the way it read

because

the Biden campaign asked them to and worked with them on the language that they were going to use in the story.

Incredible.

Incredible.

Wow.

What?

Are you serious?

I saw, you know, there were tweets about

after the original story ran, there were tweets that said things like,

oh, okay,

you must have, it must have taken you a long time to iron out the language here with the Biden campaign.

Ha ha ha.

They did.

Ha ha ha.

They did.

I mean, it's a legitimate admission.

Yeah.

The executive editor of the New York Times asked this question.

I want to ask about some edits that were made after publication and the deletion of the second half of the sentence.

The Times found no pattern of sexual misconduct by Mr.

Biden beyond the hugs, kisses touching the women previously said made them uncomfortable.

Why did you do that?

Good question by Ben Smith.

I got to give him some credit on that.

The answer.

Even though a lot of us, including me, had looked at it before the story went into the paper, I think that the campaign thought that the phrasing was awkward and made it look like there were other instances in which he had been accused of sexual misconduct.

And that's not what

the sentence was intended to say.

Well, it said it.

You know, I mean, I think the line they're trying to draw here is

most of the people who accused Biden of the inappropriate touching said they didn't believe it was a sexual thing.

Right.

Like he was just handsy and in their space and they didn't like it.

Now, that's not the case with Tara Reed, who was one of the seven women.

We should be clear here.

But many of the other women said, look, I'm not saying he was trying to feel me up.

It just made me feel uncomfortable.

He's very much in my personal space.

He was doing things that I didn't like, and that's not okay.

Yeah.

That's the distinction they're trying to draw here.

However, again, we all know if it was a Republican, it would not be true.

You would not get the benefit of the doubt.

If it was Trump, would they have worked with the Trump campaign on on the language of the story?

No.

Oh, gosh, no.

The Trump campaign was uncomfortable with some of the language in the story.

So

we changed it for them.

Behind it is not how it is incredible.

It certainly wouldn't be admitted.

No, it would not.

Behind the scenes, there's always a push and pull between campaigns and news sources.

One of the weirdest things I remember learning getting into this business is how many of the stories are not actually reported stories by the paper.

Like the New York York Times writes a story, and you're thinking, wow, they had, you picture like the movie, what is it, Spotlight, where they're

going and they're like uncovering the truth of the Catholic church abuses, or like, they're like, you know, it's, or, you know, Watergate, right?

Like they're, they're, they're getting contacts inside the White House and they're working them in parking garages.

So many,

80, 90% of the stories you read, plus,

very rare are there exceptions to this, where they're not, the spark is not started by someone involved where like a pr person from the opposing campaign will call and say hey you know this uh this person here they've they've been saying this behind the scenes you should know about it then the reporter calls the person and says hey i've been hearing uh that this is going on is this true And the story builds from there.

Like the story is essentially reverse engineered.

They're told the story in advance.

And then they, you know, maybe go do reporting and check it out and see how they can further it.

And it may just be a tip.

But like, it's not like, it's not, a lot of it comes from the opposition.

A lot of it comes from friendly sources where they'll say, you know, look, did you know this is going on?

This is one of our big achievements no one's talking about.

And they leak it to the reporters.

The reporters do their due diligence and say, okay, that is true.

And then they print it as a story.

That is the, there's a, the flow goes in reverse than I think a lot of people realize it does.

With a situation like this is they're going out, they're letting the intercept lead the

reporting for some reason, which is not something that happens.

The New York Times could write a short story and refer to the intercept's reporting.

They would do something like that relatively normally.

But to just like seed all coverage of it and not mention it at all for multiple weeks is not normal.

No, it is not.

And then to say and admit that, yeah, basically the campaign called us said they didn't like the wording, so we changed the wording.

That's incredible.

That's an incredible admission for the New York Times.

Not maybe to us, but to them, like, that's not something they should be doing on record.

I wouldn't think so, no.

I wouldn't think so.

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He claims not from COVID-19.

That was his claim in the email this morning.

He said, I'm not going to be in, not feeling well.

And then in all capital letters, it's not coronavirus.

Has he been tested?

How does he know?

I don't know.

How does he know?

This is exactly how it starts.

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So stay at home.

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Jeremy Dice is with us.

Jeremy is a special counsel at First Liberty Institute and also a well-known Ernest Goes to Camp Aficionado.

He is on the

program with us now.

This is not the first thing that you mentioned because

that's the bigger issue right there.

It is.

We could spend the whole segment on any variation of Ernest movies if you'd prefer, Jeremy.

No, there's only three to discuss, of course.

But, you know, I'm glad to be known for

my profound knowledge of pop culture in this regard.

But let's get on to things that I may want to be more respected for.

Yeah, it's possible.

There is some pretty obviously serious stuff going on right now.

Outside of just what we're dealing with with the virus itself, there is an instinct by a lot of people

who have a new grip on power and seemingly nothing's stopping them from wielding it.

And what we're seeing now in the world of faith and the restrictions from people worshiping even when it comes to driving their car and doing a car-based service, we're seeing restrictions on that.

And it's something I know you're following very closely.

We are, and I think you framed this exactly right, that there is, look, look, I think all Americans understood the need to kind of pump the brakes for a second during this pandemic and begin to figure out, okay, what's the lie of the land?

What do we got to do here to make sure this stops?

Why?

Because Americans are very tolerant people, and not only that, they're very loving people.

They want to make sure their fellow man is safe and their neighbor is well loved.

And so, yes, they're willing to slam the brakes in some respects to make sure that everybody is safe.

But when you give, and this is just a lesson of history, when you give a little bit of power back to a central form of government, that becomes a little bit more than a little after a little while here.

And so you've got municipalities around the country, and don't forget there's some 40,000 or more of these municipalities around the country cities or counties or what have you that are then imbued with more power to to try to be you know demonstrating a little bit more authority than the last guy and so it comes down to people like the mayor of Greenville Mississippi where

he's put in an order there that says that churches cannot meet even with the drive-in service.

And why?

Well, he said yesterday at a press conference, reaffirming his commitment to this unconstitutional order, that well, people are too friendly.

They get out of the car and they're going to talk to each other.

Specifically, Christians are too friendly, and they can't stay in their cars.

Well, this is a real problem.

If you're parked in your car, number one, I don't think we've known that the virus can actually travel through glass and steel yet.

They've specifically targeted cars parked at church parking lots, not at the Sonic Drive-In, not at the Walmart parking lot, not at the liquor store, but specifically churches.

And on top of all that, last Thursday when our client in Greenville went to have his drive-in services on Thursday evening the entire shift of the police force for Greenville Mississippi showed up

that that's concerning to me I mean when all the police officers that are on duty that shift show up to a church to possibly ticket every individual in those cars $500 for daring to drive from their home with the windows up park in a church parking lot to hear their pastor preach through the open air, $500 per person?

Is this America anymore?

This is the kind of thing that has to be

put up with.

It cannot be put up with.

We're willing to put up with reasonable restrictions for a temporary period of time.

This is not reasonable, nor is it equally applied.

When you can park at a liquor store, but not at the church parking lot, that is clear evidence of discrimination.

It really is crazy.

You know, I think there is an aspect of this where

the American people can understand.

Most churches, I think, are saying, look,

watch us online for a few weeks, and, you know, it's okay.

So I think most people are choosing to do this.

They're trying to practice as safely as possible.

To me, it makes me nervous if there's any restriction from government on worship at all.

I know that if they came and they said, look, we're not going to allow you to buy guns during this period, I would have a huge problem with it.

Just because, you know, Christians are sort of, you know, as you point out, nice people and want to do the best things for everybody else.

That doesn't necessarily

it doesn't make it okay for them to be restricting this in any way.

What is the traditional role here in this type of situation

for the state to be able to intercede this way?

Do they have any right to do any of this stuff?

Yeah, certainly the state does have a compelling justification here, right?

And that's what's necessary for the state to enforce or to kind of put on hold our our First Amendment rights or any of our constitutional rights for that matter.

And so a worldwide pandemic is going to almost always be upheld in any court there is around the country.

But

that justification has to be met very narrowly and very equally applied.

In other words, if there are lesser ways to be able to control the pandemic, the government has to follow those.

But on top of all that, or much more basically, it can't say, well, look, cars parked at a liquor store are fine, but church parking lots are wrong.

You know, we had the same issue in Louisville, Kentucky last week, and we filed a lawsuit last Friday and I mean overnight the judge there, Judge Walker, turned out a a really fabulous opinion to remind everybody and of how overreaching the city of Louisville had become and and put a temporary restraining order against it.

In fact, we're going to have a hearing in a few minutes here to turn that in, we hope, to a preliminary injunction of to fully enforce that.

But but it's again, it's a demonstration that the city of Louisville, who is going to send out their police officers to take down license plates numbers and then force anyone parked in a church parking lot on Easter Sunday morning into a 14-day quarantine quarantine period.

I mean, goodness gracious, that is not the kind of thing that we expect our police officers to be doing in the United States of America in 2020.

That is certainly not the level of freedom that we...

So look, while there may be some reason for a temporary restriction on some large in-person gatherings,

I think you're hearing America wondering, wait a minute, is this temporary anymore?

And how long is this going to last?

And on top of all that, why are they being so targeted at churches and not anywhere else?

That doesn't seem to make a whole whole lot of sense as if the virus somehow targets churches themselves instead of liquor stores.

Well, there are a couple of instances where there have been some other weird restrictions.

Like the Chicago mayor said that if you're found outside, then you can be ticketed.

Or like in Philadelphia the other day, where 10 cops dragged a guy off a bus because he wasn't wearing a mask.

Is it, I mean, can law enforcement really enforce restrictions that are that severe?

I guess we're going to find out.

I mean, I assume it was Stuart, Pat, one of you guys, that were out paddleboarding in the Pacific Ocean and got dragged into the store by the police as well.

I mean, it's incredible where the police are given greater authority somehow right now during the middle of a pandemic.

Maybe what the virus has done for all of us is provided a bit of a cultural truth serum to find out exactly where,

what do we really believe about freedom and what does that mean for us all.

Look, let me just talk in the area of religious liberty since that's kind of where I spend my life.

You know, we're kind of living out the left's vision for religious freedom or what they call the freedom to worship right now.

Do church at home inside your house.

Maybe you can access it virtually, but don't you dare bring it into your place of worship, in place of work, or take it to school or into the military with you.

Don't get outside the four walls of your home.

Keep it locked down.

And if you appear in public, the police are going to come out and disperse your group and ticket you if you do.

This is not the vision of the Founding Fathers.

This is not what we intended to have as religious liberty in the long haul.

And so I think it's important for us to stop and look around.

This is the vision of the left right now.

This is not the vision that our founding fathers had.

This is not the vision that we've been living for 200 plus years in the United States of America.

And this is not the level of freedom that you and I not only expect, but are due under not only the Constitution, but our Declaration of Independence.

This is not the freedom that we have ordered our lives by.

I think part of this, too, is when they talk about essential businesses.

And by the way,

I don't think any governor has been daring enough to not include alcohol, which is really bizarre.

I mean, the liquor store, I think, in every state is protected as an essential business, which I mean, I understand we're stressed out here, but I don't know that that's necessarily as important as other constitutionally guaranteed rights.

But when it comes to church, you know, it not only I think has an effect as far as constitutionally and what the right thing to do is to allow people to worship if they're taking normal precautions and doing the best that they can.

But in addition, if you want people to voluntarily

do these

large swath of restrictions and life changes, giving them a foundational thing they can still connect to is actually going to help us all kind of, if we're in the middle of a shut-in, it's going to help us because we're going to have some outlet.

We're going to have some way to stay sane.

We're going to have some sort of foundational basis that we can get to.

And making an enemy out of the churches and the pastors around this country strikes me as a terrible idea for the government.

And for the culture at large.

Look, the government is not really very capable at providing care, calm, and comfort.

And that actually is the domain of the church.

And our houses of worship have proven over millennia the ability to provide that level of comfort and care and calm amidst pandemics and epidemics and wars and everything like that.

And so for the government to kind of kick them aside as if they're some sort of needless appendage, as if they're the appendix of the culture around us that is not really needed and we don't know why they're even here, that strikes me as extremely not only intolerant of religion, but in some respects, really hostile towards religion as a whole.

And so again, I think the virus is revealing here some biases that were deep hidden amongst some politicians and are coming out.

Look, Mayor de Blasio, a couple weeks ago, and I really kind of feel badly of kind of pushing against a mayor who has had a lot of stuff going on in their city.

But, I mean, he comes out and says, hey, you know, if these synagogues don't abide by my orders, I'm going to send the health department out, and we're going to permanently shut them down.

Permanently shut down synagogues?

Is this America in 2020?

That's never going to fly into the Constitution.

And the worst thing is that to my knowledge, I don't think the mayor has actually walked those comments back.

No, I don't think he has.

And it's interesting when you think back

to what's been going on in this country for a while from some on the left, they have been setting the stage for this kind of thing.

I know Tammy Baldwin,

Senator Baldwin from Wisconsin, said a couple of years ago that your rights to freedom of religion don't extend much beyond either the church house or your own house.

And that's pretty much where they stay.

So they've been, and so did Debbie Wasserman Schultz say virtually the same thing.

So they've been setting up this attack against religion and trying to minimize the First Amendment as much as they possibly can.

Now I think they see their opportunity with this pandemic that they can maybe take some steps to shut it down.

It's a shame.

And what do they shut down the process?

Well, roughly about a trillion and a half in socioeconomic relief that the faith-based organizations, churches, synagogues, and the like provide to this country.

When those charitable dollars and those charitable actions dry up,

then that has to go and fall on something and somewhere.

And that's going to probably go to central planning again

at the governmental level.

And that's going to result in what?

Greater taxes, less opportunity, and less good being done to our community here.

That's why I think it was very critical for the President to include, or the Congress to include within the CARES Act some relief for these nonprofit organizations.

And yet, my gracious, you would have thought you would have to move a mountain in order to be able to have pastors the ability to find relief for their churches within the midst of this coronavirus outbreak, or faith-based institutions who feed children around the world be able to take part in the relief of the CARES Act.

That was an incredible flight within the Congress and within the administration, or at least within the rules afterwards.

And thank goodness that all resulted in relief that are going to be able to continue those terrible acts.

Otherwise, you and I and our tax dollars are going to be having to pick up that bill.

Jeremy Dice, special counsel First Liberty Institute, in the middle of fighting all these battles right now, also hosts the First Liberty briefing.

Jeremy, thanks for coming on the show, man.

My pleasure.

It's always good to be here, guys.

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It's immeasurable.

I'm almost to the point where I just can't take it anymore.

Which is why,

was it Saturday?

Yeah, I think Saturday, it was an old BYU Football Games day.

Watched both BYU USC from last season and then the Mangum Miracle at Memorial, BYU over Nebraska in 2015 on the last second, Hail Mary.

Today, my plan is to watch BYU Miami from 1990.

And that's how desperate I am for any kind of sports right now.

Just give me a sport.

I spent a very long time watching 1993's World Series Game 6, the greatest baseball game ever played.

Oh, did you?

Yes, where the Blue Jays did beat the Phillies

on a

last walk-off home run by Joe Carter.

Obviously, greatest game ever played, walk-off home run, World Series.

Everyone knows it.

But it's amazing.

You'll dive into anything.

I also watched a good chunk of the Eagles Giants game when

the Miracle of the Middlelands 2, where Deshaun Jackson was.

Which year was this?

This was

2000.

So it wasn't a Super Bowl year.

No, it was a game where the Eagles were down 24.

I think it was 31-7.

They came all the way back, tied the game, and then on the last play of the game, the Giants had to punted it stupidly to Deshaun Jackson, who first fumbled, regained control, and then ran back for a touchdown to win the game on the last play, 38-31.

I may have watched some of that too.

I may have.

I can't remember.

I can't remember exactly.

I can't remember any of the details of the game.

But it is that thing where we are begging for anything.

Just please.

Sports.

Give us anything.

To the point of, like, I'm not a big golf guy.

I'll watch the Masters maybe in the final round.

I've been to a couple of tournaments, like, in person, which are really fun.

I think you went last year, didn't you?

Yeah.

Last couple of years, the PGA championship, which is but how old were you last year?

I mean, when people went to live sporting events, it feels like a thousand years ago.

I don't know if I was even born last year.

I mean, just think about what you were like, I was standing there with like thousands of people crowded into this little area.

I mean, it doesn't even seem possible it's ever going to happen again.

I know it will, but it doesn't feel like it right now.

It really doesn't.

But that's the one sport that there's no reason they can't be doing right now.

Golf is like there's automatic social distancing.

Yep.

Right?

Yeah.

It's social distancing.

You could even put, for a pro tournament, there's no reason you couldn't put one person

on the course, on one hole at a time.

And just tell fans they can't come.

Yeah, just tell, but it would just be a TV event.

Right.

Right.

Right.

And you pop it on there and you could play all these tournaments.

I'd watch at this point.

I would get into golf.

I would get into golf.

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, and I think it's a silly thing that cities and states have been trying to take away from people

because of

the you know social distancing and everything.

And they're saying it's not an essential activity.

Even Texas did it.

And of course it's not an essential activity, but that's not the way to look at these things.

You need to look at them as what can we give people to keep them sane that will still remain safe.

And clearly golf is in that package.

You could even say to people, One person on a hole at a time.

No foursomes.

It's going to be one at a time.

It's not going to be as fun.

You could easily do two.

Remember, most golfers suck, so they slice the ball into opposite woods every time anyway.

They're nowhere near each other.

Right.

You know,

standing six feet away at the T and the T only is not a big challenge.

So, but they're taking those things away.

They're taking them with a don't go driving.

Don't go out for a drive, Pat.

Yeah.

Whatever you do.

Don't go out for a drive.

Why?

We're in a car with people we're already living with.

Why can't we go out for a drive?

Does the virus smash through the windshield if you're driving around town?

I don't think so.

I don't think so either.

You know, those are basic.

The church, the drive-in church is a good example of it.

Just letting people go to parks.

They don't do that.

Come on.

California, I think it is, closed down every state park.

Why on earth, with all of that territory, with all that room to keep separate, you want to put a police officer or something down there to make sure there's not a huge gathering to break it up on state property?

All right.

I mean, you know, okay.

Well, California essentially shut down the Pacific Ocean because they wouldn't let a guy paddleboard by himself.

In it.

That's amazing.

Now, you could see see a situation where a big gathering maybe it gets out of control because everyone's at the beach i know obviously florida had an issue with this they've now with spring break and and pat separately on this on privacy concerns it's amazing how much information they already have and we're releasing like they they released a whole article about how they've tracked all the people

who were at spring break and where they went after.

So, you know, of course, people are visiting from all over the country.

And they show.

Now, again, it's aggregated data, and that is different than anonymized data.

These things get conflated a lot where, like, anonymized data is they take your information and they take your name off of it, but they can still see everywhere you traveled.

And as we've pointed out multiple times, there's only one person on earth that drives from my house to this place over and over again.

So if you follow my cell phone, you're going to know where I went.

Yeah.

Right.

Yes.

Aggregated data is a little bit different in that you're just seeing patterns of travel.

You know, you can see, if you see where, you know, where do people walk on a walk path?

Where do they travel on the weekends?

You can see traffic patterns and things like that.

That's a little, you know, it's not quite as invasive.

And it's something that's been around for a while, but they have a lot of access to it.

And getting aggregated data can be useful.

But in this case, there's like, okay, people were at spring break, and now they all went back to all these places.

And then you see the breakouts start in those areas because people were hanging out, you know, shoulder to shoulder on the beach.

Most people were making out with 19 strangers every day.

Yep, that's the pattern that I've heard from spring break.

My spring breaks were never like that, but

I'm sure people who aren't losers have those weekends.

And

you look at that and you say,

well, I can understand them not wanting it to be crazy.

Most people are doing this on their own.

You mentioned golf.

Well, golf, the PGA canceled a bunch of tournaments because the PGA wanted to cancel the tournaments.

They didn't feel that they could guarantee the safety of their players

or their fans.

So they canceled it.

The NBA felt the same way.

They said, if we can't guarantee the safety of our fans or our players, we're not doing it.

You know, Mark Cuban was on CNBC the other day and they said, hey, Mark, when are the Mavs coming back?

When is the NBA coming back into action?

He said, the Mavs will start playing again when I can guarantee their safety.

It wasn't like when the government said it was okay for them to play or the NBA started up again.

When I feel comfortable that my players will be safe, then they can play.

Yeah.

Right?

That is the the, that's the attitude most Americans have.

And it's a good answer.

I mean, that's, that's a strong.

But you, I mean, on the other hand, you can never guarantee

anybody's safety.

He may not have used the word guarantee.

He may have said

believe that they're going to be safe or something like that.

But I think that that's what it, that's, that's the kind of false part of the argument that we've been having.

And it's not a very American approach to it.

Not at all.

When we say, oh, well, are we going to open up the economy or are we going to

stay home and protect for the disease?

And it's like, well, the way we keep talking about that is, will the government allow us to come out and work or will the government force us to stay home?

Yeah, we've already ceded that to the government.

Yeah, and we've seen what they're going to allow.

And the argument, too, and it's like, well, when you look at the data around this,

you see that people weren't going to bars and restaurants before they were closed.

by the government.

Why?

Because people didn't feel safe.

They didn't feel like going there was a good idea, so they didn't go.

The same thing was happening with concerts and large gatherings and private events that were being canceled.

People were nervous about getting this, so they were like, you know what, I'm going to skip it this time.

And the same thing happens on the other side of this, I think.

We will wind up being a country with an open economy again when people believe they can go to these places without dying.

If you can make people believe they will not die for the most simple thing, like going to church, like going to a movie, like going to a bar, going to a restaurant, then they'll come out.

That's the thing.

Government tells them yes or no, they're going to come out.

And you can't keep people locked up if they don't believe they're at risk.

It's going to be interesting this fall when

if things are opened up again and you can have fans go back to, say, football games, how many are going to go to football games?

How many are going to feel comfortable enough to go to a stadium with 60,000 other people?

That will be really fascinating to watch because I'm guessing you're going to see a lot of empty seats at first, at least.

Yeah, no.

Until people start to feel comfortable again.

It's true.

That's going to take some time.

That's true.

I know they started, I think it's in Taiwan, started their baseball league the other day.

Oh, they did.

So I would say this.

You have Taiwanese baseball to watch.

If you want to get into that, where could I find it?

I don't know.

I think we got to find it.

ESPN 36.

It would be ESPN regular right now.

They got nothing else to air.

That's for sure.

But they did it with no fans.

They did have some cardboard cutouts of fans in the stands, which was just kind of like

a little weird, but fun.

And so I think that there's a level there that eventually that happens.

I will tell you, I decided the other day, I was like, you know what?

I'm going to go look at my Super Bowl flight.

Because I go to the Super Bowl every year.

I don't know if you know this, Pat.

No, I haven't heard.

You never mentioned it.

I've never mentioned it.

So it's strange.

So I go every year.

It's a tradition.

And I was like, you know what?

What if the flight is like $18?

It's worth the risk to go.

It was not $18.

It was actually pretty much normal price for the flight, which I was surprised at.

Really?

Although, the strangest thing, I've never seen this.

And all my time travel, going to websites, going to all these sites to try to find out and get a flight, I've never seen this happen before.

The first-class flight was cheaper than coach.

It was cheaper.

I've never really seen it before in my entire life.

I've never seen that.

Bizarre, right?

I must have been some quirk.

I mean, I will say this.

I got a first-class flight to the Super Bowl.

It's It's the first time that's ever happened.

Did you already book it?

As of right now, I'm the only person on the flight that I could find.

I bet you are.

But I was like, you know what?

Let's lock this thing in now.

And where's the Super Bowl next year?

Is it Tampa this year?

Oh, I think it might be.

I think it's Tampa this year.

So, yeah, because, yeah, that's right.

Because Brady's going to be playing in Tampa.

Oh, gosh.

And they're saying that they could be the first home team to ever make it to the Super Bowl.

Please don't.

Please, please don't.

I don't think I can handle that.

It'd be irritating, wouldn't it?

But at least you got a first-class flight.

Yeah, that's true.

There are worse problems to have.

Yes, there are.

It's an interesting thing.

And going through this and watching it happen, I mean, a lot of times we should talk about this as well.

One of the things that kind of is dismissed here is people say, well, look, it's really only hitting older, elderly people and people with preexisting conditions or chronic illness.

And, you know, look, you know, that's sad, and we got to protect those people, but we need to open up the economy.

But most people just dismiss it because, ah, that's not me.

Right.

That is really what people are doing.

That's not me.

Somebody else is going to get sick and die.

That is not going to.

That is the mechanism behind the claim, isn't it?

Yes.

At some level, that is what we're all throwing out there if you happen to be born of the people without the preexisting conditions.

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Patton Stew for Glenn on the Glenback program.

He's a little under the weather today, but it is not COVID-19.

He says he's self-diagnosed as clear of COVID-19.

I'm sure the rest of his family feels very comfortable with that analysis.

Okay, we were talking about the fact that we just kind of dismiss the whole danger of COVID-19 sometimes by thinking, oh, okay, well, if you're really old, you know, or if you have preexisting conditions or you've got a combination of those two things, then you're in real danger.

But I'm not.

But I'm not.

But I'm not.

I'm not one of those people, so I'm fine.

You know, it's like it's Seinfeld when

I can't remember, it was Marcy.

And she says,

she says, you know, my old, my ex-boyfriend came over and yada, yada, yada.

You know, I'm really tired today.

And they're like, well, you can't yada, yada, sex.

you that,

right?

Right.

You can't yada yada

what turns out to be a population of 157 million people.

157 million.

Pre-existing conditions in the United States that qualify for that is chronic illness is the technical term.

157 million people in the United States.

It's half of our population we're talking about.

And of course, there's additional people that would fall into the elderly category or older category, although there's a lot of crossover there.

But I think there's 50 million people over the age of 65.

So you're talking about half of the country, basically.

And we can't.

Maybe a little bit more here.

And maybe a little bit more.

You can't just be like, well, look, it's only people with pre-existing conditions.

Well, that's a huge piece of the population.

And it's stuff like diabetes and heart disease.

And now they're saying obesity.

Yeah, and I don't think obesity is the main driving factor.

And is that even factored in here?

Because if obesity is factored in, it's like 370 million people.

It's more than the population.

That's how fat we are in this country.

And proudly so.

And proudly so.

And I will say, if coronavirus has done anything, it's made all of us fatter.

I don't know if anybody else is going down the line.

That's all I want to do.

Because you want to feel normal.

And the only way I can feel normal is to eat.

Yeah.

It really is.

I think like there's some people who are going to alcohol in these times.

Some people have lots of really bad pursuits that they may be pursuing.

I will tell you right now, the food thing is deadly to me right now.

I can't go more than two days without having nine meals per meal.

Me too.

And that's not a good thing.

I think a lot of people are in the same position.

They were talking at the COVID-19 as in 19 pounds, which sounds about right so far this week.

Yeah.

And we have

one of my friends was online.

He's like, I'm going to get ripped during this coronavirus thing.

And

I hate him now.

I don't like him anymore.

He's no longer a friend.

Because he's like working.

He's using this time productively to work out.

That's wrong.

Just stop that.

Making the rest of us look bad.

Don't do that.

Yeah.

You know what?

I'll tell you who it is.

It's Chris Lash, Dana Lash's husband, who

is, it's infuriating.

Stop being an overachiever.

Get home and eat a pancake like all the rest of us.

Yeah.

Okay.

Stuff about 12 of them in for every meal.

That's how this is supposed to go.

Okay.

Then we can all come out looking fat and we can't judge each other.

If you go in and you get all in shape over this quarantine, you're just being a jerk to everyone else.

It's not fair.

You're adding insult to injury from this pandemic.

Not cool.

It's not cool.

I'll tell you, the snack area here in the studio is doing its part because the only thing left in there is hummus.

That's it.

We've got hummus in the snack area.

We did have for a while hummus and sprite, but even the sprite is now gone.

Yeah, it's all gone.

I will say, largely, I guess because of you and me, because I've been doing a lot of the eating of it, they had these,

it gets to the point where they have like the breakfast biscuits like that.

You don't even know what they are, but I'm just like grabbing bags of them all the time.

I mean, it's I don't care what's in it, just give it to me.

Is it packaged?

Is it food?

Is it here?

Yes.

It's really highly processed.

Yes.

All the better.

Give it to me.

Uh-huh.

So, I mean, that number, if it was 157 million, you know, in 2020 for a projected number, I mean, it's got to be 300 million by now.

It has to be.

Because

it's disgusting.

I don't know.

I have no control over myself in situations like this.

I can eat relatively normal, like a normal human being, in the perfect circumstances only.

Right?

Like if I have the exact right amount of sleep,

I'm in a normal schedule.

Okay.

It's not too hot or too cold.

I didn't hurt my ankle last weekend.

There's no distress.

There's no distress.

There's no financial stress.

There's nothing happening bad in the family.

My kids are very happy my car is working it's not breaking down if every single thing in my life is perfect i can usually nail it for like a week if anything is out of whack in any way all bets are off all bets are off and it's thanksgiving every day and that's the issue here is that there's no point in which everything feels right right now so every day is thanksgiving and we you know everybody in america is like john goodman on his fattest day right exactly i mean we've said multiple times on my show, Pac Ray Unleashed, that I just want to go back to these days.

Quick point of privilege.

Quick point of personal privilege.

If we could go back to the personal privilege stuff and the personal pronouns,

I'm happy to have that discussion again.

I'd love that.

Give that to me.

Let's go back to those kinder, gentler days of 97 genders.

I'm good with that.

Please.

It's so true.

We need a return to the nonsense.

Yep.

I want it again.

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The good thing is we're finding out right now that China's got nothing to hide.

That's why they're restricting all of their research about the origins of this particular disease.

They don't want anybody to

see that.

They've already told you it was from a U.S.

military officer.

Right.

They took it to Wuhan and then released it.

So there's no need to look into it.

We already know what it is.

It was someone in the Army who traveled to Wuhan and released it.

That's what happened.

Which happens all the time.

Yeah.

You know, they're always traveling to Wuhan and releasing something.

Yeah.

Were you here when we were talking about how this past Saturday, I got up to the last step of booking a flight from Wuhan to JFK?

This is past Saturday.

I don't know if they're, I mean, they're still available right this second.

I can can look at them.

I mean, you shouldn't be able to do that, I feel like

at this point.

So you were right there and you could have paid for the ticket.

All I had to do, actually, it's still in my search.

Uh,

wow, my search categories here.

Let's do it for this Saturday, see if I can get one.

Um, it's not cheap, it does not seem like a

fun flight.

Uh, are there like 30 stops along the way now?

Because it was several stops.

Yeah, I mean, they've shut down so many flights.

Yeah, one thing that people forget when we're talking about,

it does not seem like I can book one for Saturday.

So at least

maybe that's been cured.

It was like $3,000, but you could get from Wuhan to JFK

to New York City.

And at this point, of course, China would argue, actually, you can't come from JFK to Wuhan.

That's going to be more of the issue.

Though

I would

venture a guess that their numbers are not exactly accurate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They've got 82,000 people with the virus.

We have 588,000.

Yeah, I don't think that's accurate.

What do they have 1.6 billion people in the country?

Sure.

They only got up to 80,000 cases, though, total.

Right.

Like, there's no one on earth that believes this.

There are some estimates that just in Hubei province, they had up to 50,000 deaths in just

Hubei province, which does not include any of the other.

And they claim, what, 3,200 total in the entire nation?

Yeah.

Wow.

Now, we all know this.

That's ridiculous.

You know, and they did go beyond what what our Constitution would allow as far as locking people down.

And at certain points, we're very aggressive against this.

There's no question about it.

Though I will say, I still don't believe it.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't either.

I'm going to go with no on that one.

About the only step we haven't taken that I know of that

they did was we haven't welded anybody in their home

to my knowledge.

Just wait.

Wait for you to later on today.

Right.

Because I would not be surprised if it does happen.

And I, you know, I'm having a lot of trouble booking this flight now.

So, but it was very recent.

Very recent, you could do it.

And, you know, one of the things that happened was we banned Chinese nationals from traveling from Wuhan.

We, you know, obviously American citizens were there and they had to get home.

So there were lots of flights and lots of people who came over even after the ban.

But that's a small part of the story.

370-some thousand, I think, or more than that from China.

And it's a small part of the story because it was got to get here anyway.

Once it got out of China, and it's in Europe, I mean, you're not going to be able to, unless you're stopping every single flight coming in, which is what we wound up having to do.

And we're doing that now, basically.

I mean, there's very little travel.

Yeah, if in January, it would be interesting to see, and obviously we can't go back there and do it.

But if in January, we would have said we're shutting down all international flights.

You can't go out of the country and you can't come into the country.

Because if you go out of the country, you're going to have to come back.

And then that defeats the whole purpose.

He would have gotten so much flash from doing that.

Imagine what would have happened, though, even if he had done it honestly in early February.

Imagine if he would have done that and then everything lit up like it did in Italy and all these other places.

He would have looked like a genius.

Although part of this, and this is important going forward, and no one is talking about this, I have not even heard the president talk about it that often, though I'm sure he will be, is the idea of this border that we happen to have with a country called Mexico, who has done almost nothing.

Acted incredibly late when it comes to coronavirus.

And they still haven't done much.

They haven't done much.

I mean, they've acted a little bit lately.

They finally closed down their soccer league and stuff.

But it was super late.

People were gathering in the 10s, 20s, 30,000

people.

A couple of weeks ago, they had 110,000 people get together for a music festival.

Incredible.

That's outrageous.

And then the Democrats are like, well, we need to, why isn't the president taking extreme action?

You're not going to close the border to Mexico, are you?

Well, you know, kind of.

Like,

if we don't, there's no purpose in doing what we're doing.

We do realize that, right?

Because if we decide to shut this whole thing off and we have this big shutdown and then it, you know, goes to April or May or God only knows how long they're going to do it.

And we're down to very limited amounts of virus spreading around the country.

People are going to be constantly coming across that border with the virus because they're not doing anything down there.

And you want to talk about it's a it's obviously a community with uh with less resources.

You're talking about, you know, people living in tighter quarters.

And you're also talking about a dozen countries south of Mexico that Mexico doesn't want to cross their border, but do all the time and will wind up coming up to our border as well.

Part of this has to be border security.

Oh, yeah.

Even if you want to say, if you're a person who loves open borders, at least for a time until we get a vaccine.

Because

these efforts where we're spending trillions of dollars and shutting down our economy will do nothing if people are constantly coming across the border with the virus.

Right.

It makes absolutely no sense.

We can take their temperature, but we all know there's asymptomatic cases.

And more than that, there's people coming across the border all the time that we don't know about at all.

We can't take their temperature.

We can't test a person crossing the Rio Grande for COVID-19.

Going to be a major problem.

Do you, Pat, buy into the idea?

about

of the of the virus originating at one of these two labs in wuhan Oh, yeah, I think it's possible.

I don't totally buy into it.

Right.

We don't have enough evidence to totally buy into it.

I'm not taking it to the bank yet, but I think it's definitely possible.

I'm highly suspicious.

And I started at, come on.

I kind of started as, come on, really.

They came from a lab.

My first inclination there was like,

it just, it's hard to imagine.

It happening.

It feels so like a conspiracy theory.

Yeah, it does.

Though, as

the evidence has come together on this, I mean, we now have a story today from the Washington Post that two years before the novel coronavirus pandemic upended the world, U.S.

Embassy officials visited a Chinese research facility in the city of Wuhan several times and sent two official warnings back to Washington about inadequate safety at the lab, which was conducting risky studies on coronaviruses from bats.

Jeez.

And by the way, did you read that we

gave $3.7 million to that lab for those experiments?

Oh, my gosh.

In U.S.

taxpayer dollars.

Because we were like, we don't want to go in those caves, those stupid bats.

You go get them.

We thought that was a good idea.

Unbelievable stuff.

Wow.

It's crazy.

There's no reason for us to be giving grants to the Chinese government to do anything.

For anything.

No.

Not to do anything.

I mean, that's just ridiculous.

I am at the point where I am legitimately pissed off at China, this thing.

It's not, I understand.

Is that because you hate Asians?

Is that what I mean?

It is not.

It actually has zero to do.

I'm not pissed off at Hong Kong.

Okay.

I'm not pissed off at Indonesia.

Cambodia.

Cambodia, not pissed off at at all.

Japan, not pissed off at.

Do you hate the Thai people?

I am pissed.

No.

In fact, I love their food.

It smells delicious, especially of the pad kind.

You talk about China and the Chinese government, which, of course, was the one who oversaw the research facility, the one who took a report posted by a researcher in China and removed it because it said the virus, quote, probably came from a laboratory in Wuhan.

You add up all these things.

They have videos that the Chinese government has released of these researchers from this facility in these caves capturing horseshoe bats, the origin species, and extracting things and then talking about how, you know, sometimes we don't have the protection on it, right?

And

you can get feces and urine and blood on you, and that's really not safe.

Oh, man.

Really?

Is it not safe?

Wow.

I never thought.

I never considered.

And there's all sorts of weird stuff about researchers who are believed to be patient zero just disappearing.

You know, they've just eliminated them from websites and they've gone away.

And part of this is maybe reaching, but you're seeing this now in official U.S.

documents where they suspected the same thing.

All sorts of really terrible

procedures at these facilities to protect an outbreak like the one we're seeing.

And you can go and blame Trump or Fauci or Burks or anyone else.

One of the things that Burks talked about specifically was in this formational time where we could have been taking action, the Chinese government was lying to us.

They were telling us basically it was a controlled situation, serious, but not widespread.

So you had a situation where we looked at it kind of like SARS.

Could be bad, but doesn't look that bad.

It looks like it's going to be

maintained largely in China.

So we didn't act.

Now we probably, obviously, now with retrospect, this is what Fauci was saying the other day.

Looking back, of course, it would have been great if we started making ventilators that day.

But you think of the information we're getting, the medical community.

was fooled by the lies coming from China.

And we had the evidence of SARS-type viruses and the swine flu and all those things.

MERS coming from that area or the Middle East and things went okay.

Yep.

Yeah.

So if you're led to believe that it's going to be like that,

you don't take extraordinary measures under those circumstances.

No, you don't.

I mean, it makes sense that you would not handle it the same way.

Absolutely.

Now, I'm of the belief, and I believe you are as well, Pat, that there's about four things the government should be doing.

One of them is preparation for a pandemic.

Yes.

We've said this not, this didn't start today.

This is something we've talked about for a very long time.

I remember doing a show about this with Glenn Beck back in Tampa when we were down in Tampa.

So that had to be, you know, 2000, 2001.

Yeah, like 20 years ago.

Yeah, 20 years ago.

Because it's one of those things that if it happens, this sort of crap is what happens to your life and your society.

You wind up shutting down.

It's a total disaster.

The guy who was obsessed with this in office was George W.

Bush.

In his second term,

he actually read that book on the Spanish flu, which is one of the best known books on that.

It had a huge impact on him.

Yeah, it did.

Yeah.

And it changed him, and he decided this was the main thing he wanted to get accomplished, was not successful, unfortunately, with his whole plan.

If he had been, we would have been much better prepared for this.

But again, when you, you know, you look at the countries that reacted the best to this, Hong Kong, you know, I mean, again, areas, Hong Kong, Taiwan.

We know Taiwan's part of China if you have the World Health Organization.

Japan,

you know,

Singapore.

These countries, one, are used to dealing with these pandemics, right?

So they were better prepared to recognize when one was happening.

But number two, and probably chief among all reasons, none of these people trusted China.

They already had dealt with China lying so many times that they were like, screw it, I don't care what they're saying, prepare.

So they were prepared very early and were able to control it very early.

You know, the fact that China was fooling international medical boards by lying about this disease, forget even if it didn't come from a lab, it may very well have come.

We may find that it just came, you know, from a bad or some other species.

But they are responsible for not only their lies then, but their lies now.

The fact that they're still hiding research from us today is absolutely inexcusable.

And when this thing is over,

there has to be repercussions for China on this.

And I don't know.

Maybe we won't have the balls to stand up for him, but I know we won't.

We won't.

Trump will, though.

Yeah.

Trump will.

But he'll get all kinds of flack from the Democrats doing anything about it.

Triple-8-727-B-E-C-K.

So do you have those chicken little moments?

You know, the ones where you kind of just want to run around screaming, the sky is falling, the sky is falling.

I don't know if you know this.

Sometimes the sky is actually falling.

It's fallen on our heads over the past month or so.

Look, we understand that that's not always a great idea to go around doing that,

even though sometimes it does do a lot of good.

This has been one of those moments over the past few weeks where, you know, the wild fluctuations in the market, we've seen economic crisis like nothing else the United States has ever faced.

I mean, even gold, which has been the place you could tie all, you know, you could really tie your boat during a storm, is in short supply all of a sudden because people know that in a time of, you know, like this, gold is incredibly valuable.

Groups that sell gold are often having to delay producing the actual product, which is a huge problem because if you're buying in a crisis, you need it.

You need it now.

And essentially, they will sell you an IOU.

That sounds like a terrible idea.

It kind of sounds like cash.

If you're seeing the way that our government is spending it, it feels like that.

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Welcome back.

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It's Pat and Stu in for Glenn.

Glenn is out today.

What do you odds on COVID for Glenn?

What do you think?

I think he's got COVID-17.

Okay.

That one's pretty mild, right?

Yeah, it's mild.

Not bad.

And it's a stomach thing.

So I think that's what he has.

I love that he actually said in the email, he's like, hey, urgent, I'm out sick today.

I'm going to need you guys to fill in.

It's not coronavirus.

It's like, how do you know that?

And, you know, there's people who get it and they're completely asymptomatic.

So if you actually have symptoms, and he said it was a stop, I think he said it was a stomach bug, which probably is, right?

Even, you know, about 90% of people who get tested for COVID because they have COVID system or symptoms don't have COVID, right?

So even if you have the symptoms, even if you have the fever and the aches.

Exactly.

But you can't rule it out.

Right.

Right.

I mean, I just want to get in his head a little bit.

Hopefully he's listening.

I mean, I'm glad.

You just might, like, I don't know.

You might have it.

He might.

He might have it.

In fact, I think he probably does.

I mean,

he looked like a COVID kid.

I'm very worried about him.

And

it's a tough time.

And so it's a bad time to be sick.

You actually went home sick the other day.

I did.

And I just heard about it from everybody in the office.

There's a lot of panic around here.

Here's a pack has COVID.

It's like, no, I know.

It's just like, I don't know what it is, but I don't have a fever.

I haven't lost my sense of smell.

The fever is the biggest one.

If you get in a fever zone, then, you know, I think 80% of COVID patients have the fever.

That's the biggest one.

So if you don't have that, because I mean, almost all of them do, except the asymptomatic ones, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So, all right, well, this was fun.

Hopefully Glenn will be back tomorrow.

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