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We're going to give you the recap of the debate.

Lots of fun.

Lots of fun.

And it couldn't be at the expense of a better group of people.

We'll tell you what happened in the Democratic debate.

Also, Bloomberg was accused of calling somebody a horse-faced lesbian

and a fat...

What was it?

A fat winch or something like that.

Well, I looked up where that came from.

Oh, she should have quoted the whole thing.

Wait until you hear the actual quote and where it came from.

Also, we try to look at what good has ever come out of a communist country

so much.

And the 1776 project, which is the answer to the 1619 project from the New York Times, why this is so critical that people understand.

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So Bloomberg makes his first appearance and everybody is so desperate they all have to take Bloomberg out.

So the guns, even from sweet little grandma Elizabeth Warren, who just doesn't like to say a bad word about anybody.

Whew, she had some words saved up for him last night.

Here's Bloomberg as he tries to make his case.

Bloomberg makes his case.

I'm a New Yorker.

I know how to take on an arrogant con man like Donald Trump that comes from New York.

I'm a mayor.

I was a mayor.

I know how to run a complicated city, the biggest, most diverse city in this country.

I'm a manager.

I knew what to do after 9-11 and brought the city back stronger than ever.

And I'm a philanthropist who didn't inherit his money, but made his money.

And I'm spending that money to get rid of Donald Trump, the worst president we have ever had.

And if I can get that done, it will be a great contribution to America and to my kids.

Wow, compelling, isn't it?

You know, it's funny because he doesn't strike me as America's neighbor i thought that was uh a mayor i thought that was rudy giuliani that really brought the city together he's the one that everybody looks at not michael bloomberg uh it was uh it was bloomberg's night last night to be taken apart and elizabeth warren had a lot to do with it listen to warren one billionaire for another do we have that can we sarah can we like to talk about who we're running against a billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse-faced lesbians.

And no, I'm not talking about Donald Trump.

I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg.

Democrats are not going to win if we have a nominee who has a history of hiding his tax returns, of harassing women, and of supporting racist policies like redlining and stop and frisk.

Look, I'll support whoever the Democratic nominee is, but understand this.

Democrats take a huge risk if we just substitute one arrogant billionaire for another.

You know, this kills me.

First of all, she's right.

One arrogant billionaire for another.

One is actually kind of charming, and the other one is just an ass.

But

it kills me that they keep saying, I'll support whoever the nominee is.

Are you kidding me?

Do you see who's up on the stage with you?

I mean, it's one thing if you're like, look, you know, it's Mitt Romney, it's George Bush, it's John McCain.

They're all kind of the same.

You know, I don't know if it's Ronald Reagan, Mussolini, I'll vote for whoever the people want.

No, I don't think that's a good idea.

Isn't the lesson here, though, that the Democrats, I mean, they're all pretty much the same?

Yes.

Yes.

They just claim not to be.

Varying levels of transparency on that, but they're all pretty much the same.

So here's this is let me give you just the

just the feeling of what really, if you didn't watch it, here's what you missed.

Cut one audio, please.

Let me just.

Go ahead, Senator Sanders.

Okay.

We'll get you in, Miss.

All right.

We got a lot of people in here.

We already got hit support.

I mean,

that is the chaos of the Democratic Party.

Meanwhile, you had Donald Trump at a rally out in, I think it was California, wasn't it?

And

the people carried a World War II veteran on their shoulders into the arena.

One makes you feel good about America.

The other one just tears it apart.

Which do you think Americans are going to vote for?

I mean, Ronald, he has become Donald Trump because the Democrats are so nasty and angry and

fighting and the,

what is it, the Bernie Boys, which I think is just really a bad name for these guys.

The Bernie Boys.

The Bernie Bros or Bernie Bros.

It makes it sound like they're just, you know, oh, they're crazy boys.

You know, boys will be boys.

No.

No, the Bernie bros are dangerous people.

You've got with with what's happening on the the left and with the Democrats

It makes Donald Trump look more optimistic more like Ronald Reagan more of the happy warrior than he ever has

They are just a group of nasty angry unhappy people

and I don't know why Buddha Judge is not doing better than

he is, other than he's clearly not qualified.

And the voting base, you know, you want to talk about homophobes.

Did you hear anybody, did you hear anybody on the right have a problem with Donald Trump when he had,

what's his name, Peter Thiel, speak at the Republican convention?

Or the fact I've heard a lot of problems with Donald Trump naming the first gay cabinet-level position member in American history, which is happening right now with Grinnell.

They've seen picks up about that.

Yeah, who even knows?

Who even really knows that?

Nobody's paying attention.

Nobody's up in arms about that except the left.

Left.

Nobody is up in arms about that.

But wait a minute.

You've got a gay presidential candidate in Buddha Judge?

Oh, dear God, no.

Their own people are turning away from it.

I mean, it is astounding.

Now, here's Pete Buddhajudge last night.

Listen to what he had to say.

Most Americans don't see where they fit if they've got to choose between a socialist who thinks that capitalism is the root of all evil and a billionaire who thinks that money ought to be the root of all power.

Let's put forward somebody who actually lives and works in a middle-class neighborhood in an industrial Midwestern city.

Let's put forward somebody who's actually a Democrat.

Look.

That's the line of the night.

That's a good point.

To me, that's the line of the night.

Let's put forth an actual Democrat.

It's the Democratic convention.

It's the Democratic primary.

You're running Bloomberg, who's whatever it is on a windy day.

If the wind's blowing this direction, he's that.

If he's on that way,

he was a Republican just a few years ago.

Basically, Charlie Christ.

Yeah, he's just whatever he needs to be.

And Bernie Sanders, and I got to stop calling him a socialist.

He's not.

He's a communist.

He has never met a communist regime that he didn't like.

Not one.

Not one.

Communism, it was a low blow

because Bloomberg said that last night.

He went on about whether, you know, we've tried this before, right?

Like we're not going to get rid of capitalism.

We've tried the alternate.

It's called communism.

And everyone's like, oh,

and then Bernie came out the next question.

He goes, by the way, you said he's called me a communist and that was a low blow.

Why is it a low blow?

I mean, I love this idea.

You're a socialist and you think communism is a low blow.

Let's put them all in a larger category called Marxism.

Right.

You're a Marxist.

How about that?

And you know what?

You know what's crazy?

Is it shows that they are just playing on people's naivety?

People don't understand that communism has actually never been done.

The Soviet Union.

And China, they claim to be communists, but that's not it.

If you understand Marx, Marx says socialism is the road to communism.

You don't get to communism until everybody's like, oh, you know what?

I'm so happy.

We don't need a stupid gulag anymore.

We're all here and we're all just going to share the wealth.

Well, that's never happened, nor will it ever happen until Jesus comes and everybody says, you know what?

I just love him so much.

Here, take what you want of my stuff.

That will never happen

never

but that's what communism is communism gets this name of uh this bad name because you got to take it by force you have gulags you have indoctrination camps all of that stuff that my friend is socialism

That is what brings you to communism because the only way to do it is to kill all the people that like, no, you're not taking my stuff.

No, I don't want to do that.

Those people have to be re-educated or killed.

Once you get rid of them, well, then you're fine.

By the way,

I'm a little more

outspoken on Bernie today.

Because we have a meeting after we finish our Wednesday night special, and we are already now a week into what's coming next Wednesday.

And last night I had a meeting, and again this morning, and I went over all of the audio and all of the video that we have for next week's Wednesday night special, which is on Bernie Sanders

and his communist radical ties and the people in his campaign.

This man is a danger.

And I am so sick and tired of having people tell me when when Jeremiah Wright's pupil was sitting in the in the White House and I said, the guy's a Marxist, the guy's a socialist.

Oh, how dare you, you racist.

In 2004, when I warned the Democrats, don't put Michael Moore in the presidential box because he is a socialist Marxist.

And you think you're using him, but I'm telling you right now, they're going to come back.

You are going to be so surprised you're using them, right?

They're using you, buddy, and they're going to eat you.

I'm so sick and tired of being told, oh, that's just nonsense.

It's not.

It's very apparent now, isn't it?

Listen, because this may be the last warning you get.

Bernie Sanders has surrounded himself with very dangerous people.

And you're going to meet all of them next Wednesday,

there is a chance that Bernie Sanders actually gets the nomination.

Now,

I don't see that happening, and it will be a colossal disaster if he does for the Democrats, but it couldn't happen to a better group of people.

However,

If Bernie Sanders, if they try to engineer this, or even if somebody like Bloomberg gets that nomination,

legitimately, Bernie Sanders and his Bernie bros will burn Milwaukee to the ground.

These people are serious, Marxist, communist, radical anarchists.

Last warning, America.

You're about to put one of these guys in office.

Last warning.

You know,

here's the problem with Buddha Judge.

I mean, Buddha Judge, can I go to audio cut number 22, please?

Buddha Judge has been lecturing people on Christianity for a while, and this one, I don't know how people in South Carolina took this.

Cut 22, please.

Then, I just can't imagine that that requires of you that you be anywhere near this president.

Do you think it is impossible to be a Christian and support President Trump?

Well, I'm not going to tell other Christians how to be Christians, but I will say I cannot find any compatibility between the way this president conducts himself and anything that I find in Scripture.

Now, I guess that's my interpretation, but I think that's a lot of people's interpretation, and that interpretation deserves a voice.

Okay, okay, very good except the fact that a lot of people would find your lifestyle antithetical to what it's found in the bible i mean you just peat you can't make this claim you know i just don't know how you would vote for him because the way he lives his life i mean

you can't find that in the bible Well, you also can't find anything but stoning of homosexuality and stoning of homosexuals in the Bible, too.

Old-timey, sure.

Bad, yes.

But it's not an endorsement.

Nowhere in the Bible is there an endorsement of that.

I mean, at best, you can say, well, Jesus never talked about it.

Well, Jesus never talked about tweeting either.

I mean.

I just, it's a weird pitch from him.

Why?

I think he thinks that he's showing a friendliness to faith, his version of it.

And because so many on stage

show a seeming almost aggression against faith,

this will make him appeal to people in the middle.

who are like maybe conservative Democrats or maybe even liberal Republicans who might be faith-based and see, well,

everyone else seems to almost like despise faith.

At least he's mentioning it.

But I think it's almost the opposite because he seems like he's preaching to everybody else.

Right.

Exactly right.

You can't pick and choose if you're going to use the Bible.

You're going to say, well, I'm a Bible-believing person.

It's like Donald Trump.

It drove me nuts when he was like, yeah, you know, I love the two Corinthians.

Stop, stop, stop, stop.

Stop talking about it.

Okay.

But if you just want to say, look, I mean, you know, I try to live my life based on, you know, basic principles.

Many of them were found in the Bible.

And

I don't know how to square his behavior.

That's totally fine.

But he gets into, we're in Bible country now.

We're in Bible territory.

You shouldn't go there.

You shouldn't go there.

Yeah.

And it just, and look, talk about principles of being a good person.

Good.

You're good.

It's just hard to take preaching

about

faith and religion from a person who's also talking about nine-month abortions.

Yes.

Like, this is a difficult thing.

I'm going to kill a baby after they're born.

No, no, I don't think you find that in the Bible.

You know, very little material on that.

Yeah.

You just, and see, it's not even the whites that are at issue here on this.

It would be the Bible-believing blacks in the black churches of South Carolina.

They don't, one of the big things there is anti-homosexual.

I mean, I know they're Democrats.

I mean, I think there are some of these polls that show, what is it, 41% of African-American voters would not be comfortable with a gay president.

Exactly right.

I mean, and those are Democratic voters.

You've got to tone down the

radical anti-homosexual attitude there in some of your voters.

They're clearly bigoted against homosexuals.

Nobody will say that, but that's what that group tends to believe.

You're not going to win, Pete, by preaching Bible to them.

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Pat, I don't know.

It's like

there's a spirit in your walk.

You're just, you seem to

sprint in here today.

I just, I just watched the greatest debate in human history.

Really?

Yeah.

Really?

I love it.

I love that last night.

I mean, it's so painful to watch these debates, but when they went after each other with a lot of the things that we'd say about them,

isn't that amazing?

You can't beat that.

Do you remember the t-shirt we made at Fox that said, what if Glenn Beck is right?

I think

we need a new t-shirt that just says, Glenn Beck was right.

Yes.

Because they're now finally saying this.

The mask has come off.

Oh, completely.

They're now, I mean, you had a Democrat, if you can call him that, call the, quote, socialist what he really is, a communist on stage from the Democratic Party.

And how much did he hate being called out for his three homes?

Oh my gosh.

The wonderful Marxist in the room has a summer home.

Pardon me for having a summer home.

No,

we can't.

Not with your rhetoric.

We can't.

A lot of people, a lot of people in

Maine or New Hampshire, wherever Vermont,

like a lot of people.

Thousands have like a lot of people.

Listen to: here's the actual quote.

Well, you'll miss that I work in Washington, house water.

That's the first problem.

Live in Burlington, house to.

That's good.

And like thousands of other Vermonters, I do have a summer camp.

Forgive me for that.

Where is your home?

Which tax haven?

New York City, thank you very much.

And I pay all my taxes.

Wait, he has a summer camp?

Yeah,

this is a summer home.

It's a summer camp.

Is that where he sends capitalists to be re-educated?

Well, a summer camp sounds more gritty.

Yeah, it sounds like it's a little cabin, a little tiny cabin.

It sounds like it's a KOA campground.

That's right.

I pull my RV out.

Of course, we've seen the home, and it's a nice home.

It's not a camp at all.

It's a home.

There's no tent part of that house.

I mean, because people, I think rightly so, said Bloomberg did pretty poor in this debate, debate.

But, I mean, he had some good moments.

That's a good moment.

He did great.

He did great if it was a presidential

general election.

He's going after

all the socialist Marxists in the Democratic Party.

They're the only ones going out for these things.

He seems to be the only one not embarrassed by capitalism.

And look, there are a lot of Democratic voters who are not Bernie Sanders.

You know, those people are going to, I think, look at some, some, the voters, not the candidates, the voters are going to look at that and say, well, at least somebody's saying, you know, like maybe we should be able to keep our own health interior.

Do you remember when they asked, anybody here, you know,

like socialism or, you know, want to stick up for capitalism?

Nobody.

It was only Klobuchar, right?

Klobuchar was a raiser hand for capitalism.

One.

Boy, there seemed to be

a lot of

talk about socialism and capitalism.

The audience last night,

they weren't capitalists.

No, do they stack that?

No, these are just the.

That's just amazing.

Isn't it?

It's amazing that so many.

I mean, this is just the audience.

So you would think rank and file Democrats, right, piling in to see this.

And none of them applaud capitalism.

None of them like capitalism.

So

let's play those.

Could we play the

cut 10, the weak applause for capitalism?

I believe in capitalism, but I think the goal of someone in government

president of the United States should be a check.

One of them was Bloomberg, I think.

I think so.

He was like,

I believe in capitalism.

Wow.

Amy, it is a good thing you brought your husband and Bloomberg was there.

Now, listen to this.

Bloomberg says throwing out capitalism would get Trump re-elected because communism doesn't work.

Listen to this.

Booze for capitalism.

I can't think of ways that would make it easier for Donald Trump to get it re-elected than listening to this conversation.

It's ridiculous.

We're not going to throw out capitalism.

We tried that.

Other countries tried that.

It was called communism and it just didn't work.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

You're stepping on my toes now.

It worked great.

You should have seen the chandeliers and the subways there in Russia.

Beautiful, beautiful.

Again, I thought that was another pretty good moment for

not in the primary.

I don't know.

I think, I mean, again, he's not trying to get Bernie voters, right?

He's trying to get Biden voters.

He's trying to get people who are like Klobuchar, Booge Edge, whatever this moderate lane supposedly is.

And I think, like, there's a good chunk of Democratic voters who want the big programs, who want gay marriage and all those sorts of things, but don't want capitalism destroyed.

There is a contingency of Democratic voters who do that.

None of them were there last night, but there is no

show up for that.

I mean, you still hope that people in Middle America, right, Democrats in Nebraska, still believe in the capitalist system.

You would hope.

Yeah, remember, I'm not sure it's true, though.

I'm not.

I don't see a lot of evidence of it.

They did that whole test of what would you feel comfortable voting for.

And, you know, there was gay president, Muslim president.

The least popular one on the entire thing was socialist.

I mean, you know, again, I think it's still a very naked Democrats.

No, no, no, that was.

74% were okay with it, right?

Is that not

this poll Luis?

It was 47% overall, but I believe 74% of Democrats would vote for a socialist.

Well, let's just take that on its face, right?

So 26% are not comfortable voting for them at all.

That's enough to lead the pack.

in the field right now, if you get those people.

Now, look, you still have to get some of the other people, too, to win the nomination at the end of the day, but like with a divided field like that, he's the only one who seems brave enough to step out.

And Klobuchar to some degree did this, but brave enough to stand up and just say, look, yeah, capitalism.

It's hard to hide when he's $64 billion.

He has to.

It's difficult to hide, yeah.

But even he has to apologize for his wealth by saying he's giving it all away.

You're not giving it all away.

What are you talking about?

He signed the giving pledge, didn't he?

Yeah, yeah.

Which is, you know,

Gates did this.

And, I mean, he's giving it, he's one thing he's bad at is giving it away, apparently.

And by the way, he's gives it away every time he buys a new house.

No, he is.

I mean, look, he's given a fortune to largely hardcore left-wing causes, including anti-gun causes

that are far to the left of even where Bernie Sanders is.

So this guy's no conservative.

He's no moderate.

He just has the ability to actually say, hey, the entire economic system of this country shouldn't be torn down tomorrow.

This is what's crazy.

This is what's crazy.

He,

the Overton window, is in the Soviet Union

to where Bloomberg looks like he's a moderate.

Crazy.

The guy is a totalitarian autocrat.

That's what he is.

He's an absolute extremist on the Second Amendment.

And on climate change.

Climate change.

And have you noticed, has anybody noticed how everyone is now starting to talk about everything in the Constitution?

Like, you know, we should re-examine that.

I mean, you know, maybe we should have term limits on

the Supreme Court, you know, and we should get rid of the Electoral College and the Second Amendment doesn't work.

And maybe we should look at the First Amendment.

This is the longest-running Constitution in the history of all mankind, and it is

the greatest period of freedom and wealth and health the world has ever seen.

And suddenly everybody's talking about, maybe we should crack that thing open.

No.

No.

What do you say we return to the Constitution?

What do you say we start using it from time to time?

You know, we used to make fun of, and I apologize, we used to make fun of those people that carried the Pocket Constitution around with them.

We're like, oh, he's got the pocket constitution.

Why don't I read the Constitution?

Yeah, okay, buddy.

Thank you for carrying the Pocket Constitution around.

Thank you.

Thank you.

They were right.

They were right.

We got so lost, and now we're to the point.

Okay.

Sorry, I've just got so much processing in my head right now, and I'm so

on the edge.

Today is the day.

Do I look bloated?

Do I look bloated?

I don't know.

Yeah, but that's been every day.

I just thought that was

normal.

It's been typical.

No, no, no.

I think I'm cycling a year.

I think I'm cycling.

Here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

How do you get people to buy in to

Nazism,

communism?

How do you do it?

Hitler said you got to create the biggest lies.

The bigger the lie, the more easy it is.

And it's the small ones that are hard.

That never made sense to me.

Well,

let's see.

How many Americans right now,

especially the youth, where it always comes from, especially the youth, will say, yes, a man can have a baby.

Yes, a man can have his period.

No, he can't.

If you're bleeding downstairs, go see a doctor.

Okay?

If you're a dude and every month you got blood shooting out of you, see a freaking doctor.

Something's wrong.

But how many people are willing to say that?

If they can get you to say something that you know absolutely, positively cannot ever happen,

that a man cannot have a baby.

You could put a baby in a man, but he ain't pushing it through his pee-pee.

I don't know how you keep it alive.

Thank you for using the technical terms.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

No man is menstruating today.

And if you think so, you need to see a doctor as well.

But how many of us have already accepted that lie?

If they can get you to say that

or to be afraid to say,

excuse me, dummy, no,

if you are afraid to say that,

They just got you to deny something you know absolutely positively, scientifically, no questions asked.

You You are now either staying silent or you are agreeing with it.

And that's without putting the rat cage on your head.

Exactly right.

Like in 1984.

What do you think they can do?

So easy.

What lies will you tell in your life if you're willing to go there first?

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Let me go right to Dr.

Wilford Riley, professor at Kentucky State University, author of the book Taboo, and a guy who started the 1776 project that he's going to talk to us about today.

Doctor,

welcome to the program.

Thanks for having me on.

Sure.

Now, normally, you would give me the professional courtesy of calling me Doctor as well, seeing that I worked hard, just as hard as you, for my doctorate.

But I.

Are you also a doctor?

I am a doctor.

I'm a doctor of humanities, which means I can operate on people's feet, I think.

Minds.

Oral surgery.

Pardon me?

I said on their minds, maybe.

Well, I mean, I don't think we have to have this professional squabble about it now.

Doctor,

I want to thank you for coming on the show.

Thank you for

what you're doing.

And

tell me why you got involved in trying to set the record straight from the 1619 project.

Sure.

I will say I'm one of the founders of the 1776 project, but there are a large number of pretty elite people involved.

Bob Woodson, really at the Woodson Center, is the guy that brought our group together.

I mean, you've got Glenn Lowry, legendary economist, Talib Starks, the organizer, Carol Swain, John Sibley Butler, pretty impressive lineup up.

Coleman Hughes, the editor at Quillette.

But the idea of the 1776 project, I mean, it is a nonpartisan, oh, I'd say for most of us, center-right at least,

black-led response to the New York Times 1619 project.

And the 1619 project,

your intro on this is pretty much dead on point.

This is an idea.

This is a series of editorials that became a business initiative that the USA began in slavery and that really the thing that defines the country the most or the thing that makes the country unique is the fact that we had historical slavery here.

And 1776 is a response to that.

I mean, we point out, and an initiative on its own.

So we point out a number of things.

First of all, almost all societies had slavery until the 18th century.

If everyone was guilty of evil and the USA today is unique, it was not the evil that made us unique.

So we point out some of the flaws in the 1619 narrative, and there are many, like the claim that the Revolutionary War was fought so that America could keep slaves.

That's absolute nonsense.

Crazy.

Yeah, that's one of the Gordon Wood, who's the country's probably leading Revolutionary War historian, has really taken that apart, where he points out that that ignores everything that actually led to the war: taxation without representation, French and Indian war debt, I mean, armed battles in the streets, the Boston Massacre, that's all pushed aside.

Right.

And it also dismisses the first original draft of the Declaration of Independence in Jefferson's own handwriting, where one of the last usurpation is a paragraph that is passionate against slavery.

Where's that?

Yeah, I mean, I think so a one-sided narrative is a bad narrative.

I mean, an obvious point is that for literally as long as we had slavery in the USA, there was a powerful anti-slavery movement led by white and black people of goodwill, from Frederick Douglass to John Brown, that won, we don't have slaves in the USA.

We haven't had slaves since 1865.

I've never had a slave or been one, and neither has anyone else who's currently alive who was born in this country.

So these are the sort of things that we point out.

And in contrast to the narrative of 1619, which is that racism still defines, the racism of 300 years ago still defines exactly what America is today, we have a pretty simple thesis, which is that the United States of America is a flawed but very good society.

It's simply not that difficult to make it here, and almost anyone can given hard work and personal responsibility.

People regularly come to the USA from countries where cars are a bit of a luxury item like Ethiopia and Vietnam and go on to outperform both black and white native-born Americans.

So there's absolutely no reason we should expect less of middle-class black people or Appalachian white ones for that matter than we do of recent immigrants from Botswana or the Philippines.

That's crazy, and that is a form of racism.

So this

go ahead.

Go ahead.

Oh, no, no.

We're responding.

1619, although it presents as purely academic, is to some extent a business initiative.

I mean, they have a curriculum designed with the Pulitzer Center and so on.

So many of us, including me, have fairly elite business backgrounds, and we're responding across a range of avenues.

I mean, curricula, media like this, so on down the line.

I mean, the narrative can't go unchallenged that the USA is not the world's best country, but rather it's most evil.

That just doesn't make any sense, Empiricund.

Well, they are already, it's already creeping into our schools,

and they're taking this at face value.

I heard an ad for the podcast from the New York Times, and they said, you know, and there are some disagreements, but that's what we do best is try to get people to talk and find the truth.

No, you have taken a theory that is flawed from the beginning and you've merchandised it, marketed it, and now it's being taught in some schools around the country.

It is, it is, it's really dangerous to teach this kind of nonsense.

And I can't thank you enough for

actually

following through and not just talking about it, but getting the curricula changed in schools to make sure we're teaching the truth.

Yeah, and in the book you mentioned, A Taboo, The Ten Facts You Can't Talk About recently came out with Regnery.

This is something that I talk about, and it's kind of the invasion at a level below what most people recognize of certain ideas into the American mainstream.

So I frankly don't think most people know what their kids are learning in school.

They don't.

Yeah, this is very important.

I would actually, a statement for the parents out there, look at it.

There are specific things like what sex education is being taught, what American history is being taught that any thinking father or mother should ask their child's school school district about.

I'm in, yeah, I recently observed this with some of my own younger relatives, and it's pretty striking.

At any rate, so the response to 1619, I mean, thank you for the compliment.

One thing I would emphasize is that nobody, obviously not you, obviously not me, is arguing that slavery was good.

What we're saying, yeah, it's not, it's ridiculous, that even needs to be said.

But what we're saying is a series of empirical points.

One, American slavery was not historically unique.

Every other country, including the many civilized black nations of Africa, had a form of slavery that was as bad or worse until quite recently.

Two, we don't think that slavery was the defining feature of the USA.

We don't think it's what made America unique.

With no disrespect for that southern culture, the South was a bit of a backwater before the Civil War, and that's why they lost.

And a big reason for that was the reliance on this sort of feudal surf agriculture.

And third, finally, we do not believe, we do not believe that after 155 years of abolition, and by the way, 53 years of affirmative action, Asians or middle class blacks or Jewish Americans, Cubans, members of any other minority are still oppressed.

That's a meaningless term.

So it's important that this be responded to with a real curriculum that says, yes, the USA is not perfect because only God is perfect, but these are the advantages that we have over other societies.

And to some extent, these are the advantages where they exist that they have over us.

And this is why we exist as the country we are today.

And that doesn't trace back to racial quarrels 300 years ago most of the time.

Do you address the fact that

more slaves went to Brazil

or that

Mexico is given the status of beating the United States to abolishing slavery, but they said we'll stop it in 100 years?

I mean, that's not the abolishment of slavery.

You know, we had to do it through civil war, but, you know, they could declare anything they want, but that wasn't the abolishment of slavery.

Yeah, we discuss all this.

I mean, one point I want to make, and I don't mean to be glib here, but history sucked for almost everyone.

If you're talking about Irishmen, Japanese, Americans, women couldn't vote until 1920.

So, yes, absolutely slavery existed in almost all societies.

I'm not attempting to apologize for the white slave trade of blacks, but

it's worth noting that there was also a black slave trade of whites, or at least a Moorish one.

I mean, the Barbary slave trade and inspired the verse, Shores of Triple E in the Marine Corps hymn.

This went on from 1600 to 1800.

The powerful Muslim nations of North Africa, when they fought the white states of southern Europe, would take everyone they captured, quote-unquote, surgically modify them and make them into slaves and serfs.

Serfdom itself, that idea that you're a peasant just pushing a sulky plow for most of your life, that existed in Russia and most of Europe, southern France, until 1866.

So if you're going to say

people were unfree in America, you have to say also in context that people were unfree almost everywhere in the world.

The West did not begin the institution of slavery, but I will say that though it took too long and it took hard fights, it is modern Western culture that eliminated slavery globally.

No other culture, including the proud black and Moorish states many of my ancestors came from, even thought about doing this until the modern abolitionist movement began in England and the USA.

we have our sins, but we also have our virtues, and it's silly to focus only on our sins, especially given that we live here.

We're insulting our own society when we do so.

So

here's the thing that I think most Americans just want.

I don't care if we hear about the bad things.

I think we need to know about all of the bad things that America did, or we won't learn and change.

So we have to learn about those things.

But perspective, man, perspective.

And look at it in context of the the day.

Look at what everyone else was doing, and understand that, you know, it's an ebb and flow.

Sometimes we're better, sometimes we're worse.

I mean, at the time that we're fighting against communism and Nazism in the 1940s, we're also throwing Japanese Americans into concentration camps.

I mean,

it's both.

It's both.

Just like humans, we're both good and bad as individuals.

And it's that constant battle between those two forces inside of us that shows, in the end, who you are.

Were you generally moving forward or were you somebody that was fighting for evil the whole time?

Yeah, I think that's well put.

My old martial arts sensei phrase it is every human being has a back and a front.

And I think that's roughly accurate.

When you're looking at the presentation of a man or of a human being, of course, you want a warts and all portrayal, which is a very famous description of an actual picture.

But what I think you very often get from the activist left in the USA is an almost all-warts view of the country and a warts-free view of other rival societies.

It's simply idiotic to spend hours and hours fulminating about the fact that the USA at one point had slavery and then go on to praise, say, China or the civilized nations of Africa or the Arab world.

Much of the Arab world has slavery today.

I know.

There's more slaves today than there was during the entire Western slave trade combined, all of those years.

So,

doctor, tell me how the average person can access this information or can, you know, play a role at all in helping you with this battle.

Sure, yeah, and thanks for asking.

I mean, we're all fairly easy to find.

I'm Will Fred Riley, W-I-L-F-R-E-D-R-E-I-L-L-Y online, Facebook, Twitter.

You've mentioned hate crime, hoax, and taboo, the books I've written.

I'm one of many people.

Bob Woodson is the original initiator of the project.

If you Google Woodson Center, they'll be more than glad to accept donations to 1776 or to their overall work.

And of course, we have a professional website that just went live, although we're still uploading headshots and so on.

It's 1776Unites.

I believe that would be.com because we are equipped to receive donations.

But if you Google 1776 Unites, it'll be the first hit.

Unites with an S.

With an S?

Unites?

1776 Unites.

U-N-I-T-E-S.

That is correct.

And yeah, we're more than glad to accept outreach.

Again, I'm Wilfred Riley.

We've got Glenn Lowry on the project, John Sibley Butler, Carol Swain.

I mean, many of these are names you will have heard.

Coleman Hughes over at Quillette is handling a lot of media and social media.

So we thought this is a fairly impressive group of people.

Some of us had met for lunches before, just as black people in the business community.

And the idea was, well, we really need to respond to this because this is nonsense.

And it's going to increase racial tensions in a way that's not good for black people or just as importantly for our white countrymen.

I think we responded effectively.

Thank you so much, Doctor.

I appreciate it.

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