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Yeah, last week, yes, we lost Wayne Messum.

There was an end to Messomentum.

Messomentum or messomania?

Well, both.

Both?

Both are gone.

I mean, he did receive $5 in donations last quarter.

No denying that.

Five individual dollars.

I mean, no denying it.

From one person, but five individual dollars.

But $5.

That'll get you somewhere in a race.

Imagine if he would have unleashed that in this case.

I mean,

my understanding is he didn't spend it.

But if he had unleashed that into this primary, the whole thing would have been upside down.

It goes into chaos at that point.

But the grief that we all feel because Wayne Messum is not in the race any longer is mitigated somewhat by the announcement of Michael Bloomberg over the weekend.

So great that Michael Bloomberg is going to run for president.

I mean, here's just a few of the things that he's going to be bringing to the table.

Mike Bloomberg started as a middle-class kid who had to work his way through college.

He started as a guilt to business from a single room to a global entity, creating tens of thousands of

He could have stopped there.

Could have.

But when New York suffered the terrible tragedy of 9-11, he took charge, becoming a three-term mayor who brought a city back from the ashes and brought back jobs and hope with it.

Creating tens of thousands of affordable housing units so families could have a decent place to live, raising teachers' salaries and kids' graduation rates, and creating a more open and livable city for the millions who call it home.

He could have stopped there, but when he witnessed the terrible toll of gun violence, he put his money where his heart is.

He's funded college educations for thousands of deserving, low-income, and middle-class kids.

Could he stop it?

He has done so much.

He probably stopped

and the outright denial of this administration to protect the only home we have from the growing menace of climate change.

I'm guessing

he sees a different kind of menace coming from Washington.

So there's no stop

here because there's Australia waiting to be rebuilt.

Where everyone without health insurance is guaranteed to get it, and everyone who likes theirs can go ahead and keep it.

Yeah, we've heard that.

Where the wealthy will pay more in taxes,

and the struggling middle class will get their fair share.

Let's get those.

Mike Bloomberg for president, jobs creator, leader, problem solver.

It's going to take all three to build back a country.

It sure is.

So Make America Great Again is now rebuild America, which is essentially like the, I mean, it's the same

thing, yeah.

Right?

Same slogan.

That's a fascinating experience.

This is a fascinating experiment.

And

there's a million things to talk about on Mike Bloomberg, most of which are just topics on talk radio because he's not going to win the nomination.

But my favorite part of this is, can we finally put to rest the idea that you can buy an election?

That if you have so much money, you can put all your money in there and you can buy an election.

He's going to attempt it here.

The man has $50 billion.

He is the ninth richest person on earth.

Yeah.

He is going to dump so much money into this campaign.

Like starting with 30 million, right?

30 million right off the top.

They say it's the biggest spend in any week, in any campaign in American American history, including the general election.

Oh, wow.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

And a meaningless, nowhere week around Thanksgiving.

And there's no way.

I mean,

the ego it must take

to believe you can win this thing when everyone knows you don't have a shot.

There's no chance he wins.

His chances, it's got to be less than 1%.

There's no way people are clamoring for a Michael Bloomberg presidency.

I don't think most of the Bloomberg family is

clamoring for that.

No, I don't think they are.

And he's going to try essentially a variation of the Giuliani approach, which is skip all the early states.

Is he still going to do that?

Because I read an article where he was all in now.

Oh, he is?

That's what I heard.

Because he's not even on the ballot in New Hampshire, as far as I know.

I don't think he is.

I know he made

the Alabama ballot, and he can get on whatever ballot he wants.

But at least the reporting I heard this morning again confirmed that he was planning on skipping the first four states.

So he would come in on Super Tuesday.

Wow.

And that's why he's going to be able to spend so much money because bad strategy, though, because it'll be over by then.

It certainly was for Giuliani.

Remember when he waited in Florida for everybody to catch up to him?

Yeah.

And they'd already passed him by.

Bye-bye.

It did not work.

It did not work.

You know,

Rubio sort of did that in

the last primary as well.

He tried to compete in certain early states, but he went all in on Florida.

And again, that didn't work.

Doesn't seem to be one of those things that works all that well.

But think about this, Pat.

Here's a guy who is

$50 billion

of wealth, and he says he might spend up to a billion dollars on this campaign.

A billion.

Wow.

And this is an experiment that's never been tried, really.

I mean, Ross Perot is the most obvious example.

He comes in with his own money.

He has a lot to spend, but he didn't spend anywhere.

close.

I mean, I think he might have spent 60 or 70 million dollars the entire campaign.

And he was running for a general and had to get on ballots as an independent.

Trump ran last time, kind of talked about self-funding, but never, I mean, he spent, he probably, he spent about $50 million of his own money on the campaign, which is a hell of a lot of money.

But that's not a self-funding thing.

I mean, he was still doing, getting a lot of donations and got tons of help money-wise from the RNC and all these other sources.

There was one attempt back in, I think it was 1980, where the Libertarian candidate, they put a,

they put one of the Koch brothers, was the vice presidential candidate.

So they could spend whatever they wanted, and it was a Koch brother at the number two slot.

And, you know, it helped.

I mean, they had, I think, their highest vote total of the entire party's history, with the exception of 2016,

was the one that beat it with Gary Johnson.

But still,

it's an interesting thought in that all of these problems that you have as a candidate when you go out and you're trying to go raise money and you're trying to kiss butt to everybody.

I mean, they're saying Bloomberg's not even going to be out doing speeches.

He's just running ads.

He's like running a campaign like a fantasy team.

He's not going out and he's not training.

He's not running sprints.

He's not learning plays.

He's just the fantasy team GM and he's kind of running ads and you can spend them in.

It's a well-done ad if

any of that stuff appeals to you.

I don't know that any of it does appeal to the Democratic Party today.

Taking a match, the U.S.

Constitution doesn't appeal to you.

Like,

just burn up the

Democratic Party.

He should just say he's doing that.

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Just a quick reminder, too.

Michael Bloomberg sucked as New York City mayor.

Let's not forget he banned salt or tried to.

He tried to ban salt.

And I think did ban the 16-ounce soda, right?

Yeah, you couldn't get a 16-ounce.

Was it 32?

I thought it was 32.

You could only go up to 16 ounces, something like that, which made him my number one enemy on earth.

Right.

Because soda is the most important thing in my life.

But you could buy five 12-ounce

and drink them all.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, it's stupid.

It's ridiculous.

Everyone Everyone showed how ridiculous it was and silly it was almost immediately.

And the salt thing is funny because we've talked about this before, that the latest science on salt shows that it actually isn't harmful.

Right.

Which is hilarious because they've been talking about this for such a long time.

And you go back and look at the history of the salt thing.

It doesn't even, it's not even true.

You know what else isn't terribly awful for you if you just do it in moderation?

Soda.

I mean, you could have a soda every once in a while.

It's not going to be a big deal.

Oh, yeah.

I mean,

or you could do what I do and have 12 a day.

Right.

And

that is okay, too.

You know, if that's what you want to do.

That's what you want to do.

He's not a freedom guy, though.

Michael Bloomberg is not a do-what-you-want-to-do kind of guy.

Yeah, there's a certain brand of politician, and they come from both sides.

Right?

Like, I mean, go back to Al Gore on lyrics in rap songs.

You remember back in the day, Alan Tipper, right?

That sort of came.

It came with the warning labels.

It was Tipper Gore that was behind all that.

Yeah.

There's sort of parental

thing that

certain politicians do.

And one who does it on quote-unquote the right, however you see him, is Mike Huckabee.

He's the same way, where he wants to make sure, look, yes, I'm on board with Michelle Obama's, you know, don't put too much crappy food in kids' lunches plan.

And let's make this illegal because I think it's bad.

And this should be illegal because I think it's bad.

It's this parental or almost a maternal

thought of the way that.

Just because they know better.

Because they know better.

And that's Bloomberg 100%.

He's totally down that road.

And there's some things about that that appeal, I think, to Democrats, right?

Where you said, you know, lighting the Constitution on fire.

There's an argument to make that he should just make that his campaign slogan.

I'm Michael Bloomberg.

I will light the Constitution on fire.

And it might actually work in the Democratic primary right now.

Seems to be what they want when you look at who they're choosing.

But Bloomberg is at least seen as a centrist, used to be a Republican.

Then he was an independent.

Then he's an independent.

And then he's just full-fledged Democrat.

Yes.

And so I don't think there's much hunger for him.

Bloomberg's a guy who has all sorts of weird Me Too problems, which has not been investigated, but will look.

I'm sure I know about the Me Too problems of Bloomberg.

Yeah, I haven't heard about that.

He's apologized for some of it.

I wouldn't say it's not Harvey Weinstein stuff we're talking about.

It's stuff where he was very dismissive of women at the workplace.

He is known as a guy.

There's a profile that was written a few years ago about Bloomberg, and he's talking to a reporter.

And if you have a child in your car, it might be a good time to turn the radio down for a second.

He's talking to a reporter, and they're at like a party with all these

beautiful people in their beautiful gowns walking around.

And

this person is trying to, you know, what these profiles are like, right?

Like,

they're super in-depth.

They analyze everything you do.

You know what I mean?

All the color of every moment is there.

You're like a fly on the wall in the room with whoever's being profiled.

So at one point, a beautiful woman walks by, I believe, in her 20s, and

Bloomberg blurts out to the reporter standing right there, man, she's got a hell of an ass on her, huh?

Oh, golly.

And it comes, it's in the profile, right?

Like, you can't, that's not a thing that

I mean, you have to.

And this happened when?

Did you say it was 2013?

It's not a long time ago.

It's only recently.

Yeah, it's not like we're going back to the 80s for this stuff.

Yeah.

So there is a

there's no fit.

There's no sensible, logical fit for Mike Bloomberg to win this nomination.

It is purely an ego thing.

It's purely, he thinks he's the only person who can do this, right?

It's a big deal.

And what I find interesting about this, maybe the biggest part of this, is there has been this thing in politics where we've been told over and over and over and over again, we have to do something about money in politics because you can just buy elections.

And we've said how many times?

It's just not true.

Where is the evidence of this?

It has nothing to do with who spends more money.

Donald Trump spent nothing compared to Hillary Clinton and won that election.

It's not about that.

Michael Bloomberg is going to come in here and have a war chest of $50 billion,

the ninth largest war chest of any person on earth, to come in here and try to win an election against people like Andrew Yang and Corey Booker.

And if you can't do that, if you can't beat the mayor of South Bend, Indiana with $50 billion.

I don't think he's going to.

I don't think he is either.

Not only is he not going to win the election, he's not going to beat maybe even Andrew Yang.

I don't see him getting past, isn't Yang up to like 4%?

I don't see

Bloomberg much higher than 4%.

Yeah, I mean, Yang's actually done really well with this election.

He has.

And I think he stands out of this field as someone who is at at least honest and

well-reasoned, though I disagree with his reasoning on almost all the things he's talking about.

He at least knows what he's talking about.

Unlike someone like Elizabeth Warren, who's just saying whatever thing she can say to try to vilify people who are wealthy.

She's just stark graving nuts.

Yeah, she's just nuts.

And it gets worse and worse every day.

She is, she, you know, and you know what's going to be really fun to watch is if what looks like is happening in the polls with her falling continues to happen,

oh man, her in ultimate flail mode is going to be fantastic.

It's going to be fun.

It might be better than Betto.

It might be better than Betto.

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Her tax plan is a pretty good one.

You know, I think you were alluding to the fact that it might be crazy, but

I don't know.

Really?

Listen to this: Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren has unveiled sweeping tax proposals that would push federal tax rates on some billionaires and multimillionaires above 100%.

Now, is that their fair share?

If you just take

more than everything they have, that's not their fair share yet.

No, I got to take some from other people too and give it to you.

I think we have to take money from poor people to give to billionaires for them to pay in taxes.

That's my proposal.

So, potential tax rates over 100% could result from the combination of tax increases she's proposing.

She wants to return the top income tax rate to 39.6 from 37% now.

Then she wants to impose a new 50%.

Well, it's 14.8%.

It's almost 15% tax for Social Security.

Wow.

Wow.

Wow.

Amazing.

And then that's one of those that never end.

Now, if you,

at some point for, you know, people who make over a certain amount of money,

they stop taking it from you during the year because they've taken everything they can.

Right.

There's a max out.

It's over $100,000.

Yeah, it's maxed out.

It wouldn't wouldn't be maxed out anymore.

So it's just 15% the whole year.

Oh, cool.

Isn't that wonderful?

And it would add an annual tax of up to 6% on accumulated wealth and require rich investors to pay capital gains taxes at the same rate as income tax.

So that'd be another 39.6% on your capital gains, which is a double tax because you've already paid taxes on the income.

Right.

But other than that.

So if you take a billionaire with $1,000 investment who earns a 6% return or 60 bucks, they receive a capital gain, dividend or interest.

If all of Warren's taxes are implemented, he could owe 58.2% of that or $35 in federal tax, plus his entire investment would incur a 6% wealth tax.

That's at least $60.

Then the result is a tax as high as $95

on income of $60 for a combined tax rate of 158%.

Now, is that

fair?

That's fair, right?

Because it's funny.

We've tried many times to pin down the left on what the fair share number is.

Yes.

I don't think I've even ever heard them get to 158 before.

I feel like 158.

I think you're in safe, fair territory there.

Yeah, that's probably fair, right?

Everything you earn, plus another half of what you earn, plus a little more.

And I'm not sure where that comes from, but

that's up to you to figure it out.

A lot of this comes from to her wealth tax, which is blatantly unconstitutional, was discussed for a very long time.

There's a reason why they needed the 16th Amendment to have an income tax in the first place, and specifically did not allow for things like the wealth tax when it occurred.

But whatever, we're just going to ignore the Constitution here for a second.

Again, I'm Michael Bloomberg.

I'm setting fire to the Constitution, and I want to be your president.

And Elizabeth Warren has certainly has already blazed that path.

So

but when you start taking money that's already been earned and, as you point out, already been taxed, then it goes into investments and gets taxed again, and then it's sitting in your bank account, and then it gets taxed again.

I mean, if you start taxing the same dollar this many times, you can get over 100%.

Right.

Yeah, because now you've taxed it three times.

At least.

And when they spend it, you're taxing it again.

That's right.

Unbelievable.

It's incredible.

It's uncredible how much they will do.

And if you die, they're going to tax it again.

They're going to take half of what you've accumulated, and you've already paid taxes on all of that.

I know.

In In some cases, triple taxes on all of that.

It's hard to know

whether it doesn't feel like to me, as a person who's grown up here in the United States, that something like this could be possible, that a person who is advocating things like this and trying to vilify people for being successful in this country could possibly win the election, but we shouldn't brush it off.

Yeah, I don't know.

Especially when it gets to a one-on-one thing, anything can happen.

With the media behind the other side,

anything can happen.

Right.

right it doesn't seem like it you know you can get elected in cuba maybe doing this you can get elected in venezuela doing this i mean with the help of you know maybe some some of the opposition people being murdered on the along the way but she's among the leaders yeah i know it's hard to believe but there it is

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We were talking about Michael Bloomberg, some of his issues as he jumps into the presidential campaign.

It's interesting because I don't know that these have been highly publicized,

but he's got some issues here.

He does have some Me Too issues.

And I don't know if it's exactly Me Too issues.

When you say Me Too, and this is one of the problems with the whole term and hashtag and movement or any movement you name after a hashtag.

One of the issues with it is it just encompasses such a wide variety of behavior.

It's like everything from I murdered 47 women to I once brushed into someone on the subway is all included in Me Too.

It's like everything from like Jeffrey Dahmer's.

I asked her out twice.

Right.

And she said no both times.

Right.

That's a Me Me Too violation.

Or you actually ask someone out.

They say yes.

You have a consensual relationship.

But I think because she earns $10,000 a year less than you, you have too much power, and therefore it's a Me Too violation.

All the way up to

something they're making like true crime documentaries about on Netflix.

That entire range is Me Too.

So this would be more on the low end of the Me Too movement, but let me give you a couple of these.

Bloomberg, as I mentioned, and again, this gets a little salty if you happen to have kids in the car here on the Thanksgiving vacation.

Bloomberg reportedly saying to a journalist and the journalist's friend as he gazed at a woman at a holiday party, look at the ass on her.

He denies that one, of course.

There were two witnesses, which, you know, so it seems like he probably did.

And there's a bunch of others he doesn't really deny.

Bloomberg, according to a top aide, seeing attractive women and reflexively remarking.

This isn't the exact words they use here, but nice boobs is basically what he would say.

Then Bloomberg mocking Christine Quinn, the then speaker of the New York City Council, for going too long between her hair colorings.

She said, the couple of weeks before I need to get my hair colored, Quinn once said, he'll say, do you pay a lot to make your hair to be two colors because it's now three with the gray?

Then Bloomberg mocking Quinn again, saying,

because she fails to wear heels at public events.

I was at a parade with him once and he said, what are those?

They're comfortable, she said.

And he said, I never want to hear those words out of your mouth again.

Bloomberg quoted by colleagues as saying, if women wanted to be appreciated for their brains, they'd go to the library instead of Bloomingdale's.

Oh, no.

And Bloomberg asked in the deposition, have you ever made a comment to the effect that you would like to, quote, do that piece of meat?

Bloomberg replied, I don't recall ever using the term meat.

So if you kind of see this here, I'm not really strong denials.

No, are they?

There's not really a lot of strong denials.

And this is apparently a very well-known thing.

You know, it's New York, so there's a lot of reports.

It's a lot of creepy things.

Yeah.

And I would say this more puts him in the category of being a jerk

than

a Harvey Weinstein or sexual harasser.

Right.

It's not the same exact type of thing, but it's something you'd think in the Democratic primary would not work.

Right.

Right.

Stop and Frisk, he had in New York City, which, you know, arguably

did wind up doing a lot in that city.

That was his policy.

It was his policy, and he's now come out and apologized for it because you're not allowed to hold that policy in the Democrat Party.

Right?

So that's gone.

And then, you know, the other thing you hear in his ad, which I find to be fascinating, is he kind of just lists off all the amazing things he's done.

And this is typical of politicians, right?

I did this, I did that, I took on this, I took on that.

But has he won any of the things he took on?

Like, for example, he brings up coal and he brings up the climate.

Like, has the climate been solved because of his efforts?

If it has, great.

It's great news.

No, but he took it on.

He took it on.

Yeah, he took it on.

And he spent a bunch of his money

trying to get coal plants shut down.

Now, of course, what happened was some coal plants have shut down for multiple reasons.

One, government regulation.

Two, natural gas

winds up being a better product and people like it more.

So we're using that instead.

We're using a different fossil fuel.

But that's not because of Michael Bloomberg convincing anybody.

Yeah.

And

another point,

Barack Obama took that on long before he became mayor.

Well, no, no, it was after he became mayor,

but he took it on on a national scale and said that they can build these power plants, but they're going to go bankrupt if they do because he was going to regulate them so hard.

Yeah.

That was part of his campaign.

And he shut down hundreds.

of coal-fired power plants.

Bloomberg basically takes credit for this, influencing government regulation to shut these things down.

Again, that might play in the Democratic Party.

Does that play to Americans where you're using your money to manipulate government laws to take away people's businesses?

Like, I sound glorious.

I know.

Guns.

Did he solve the gun violence problem?

Because he keeps bragging about how much he's stopped that.

And the problem is, if Democrats have solved all these problems, they've got nothing to run on.

Right?

Like,

they keep saying how bad the gun violence problem is at the same time bragging about taking it on.

Well, what is your taking it on done?

Made it worse.

Yeah.

I mean,

by your telling, it's made it worse.

And then I think people still drink soda.

I don't know.

I mean,

it seems relatively common.

Yes.

And they use salt.

And they use salt.

And he tried to ban that.

Couldn't get that done.

So I just don't know where the advocates are.

He closed down a lot of streets in New York, if I remember correctly.

He made traffic by vehicle forbidden in certain areas, which made made getting around in New York more difficult.

Impossible.

Which was great.

It's already terrible.

Yes, and he made it worse.

And he's also this type of guy who will use his power for whatever he wants, right?

Like, no, there's a lot of, there's a lot of arguments to be made that he couldn't have done any of these things when he was mayor, but he did them anyway.

And I think most fascinating is, what are you going to hear if Donald Trump wins?

Let's say Donald Trump, we go through 2020, Donald Trump wins, the day he's,

you know, this hits the left and they realize it's an actual thing.

Number one, of course, what they're going to try to do is impeach him again over something.

And they're going to go down that road.

But what they're going to start doing is warning you that this guy is going to stay an extra term.

He's going to blow off the Constitution, and he's going to wind up going for an extra term.

He's going to be a guy who's going to be there for three or four or five terms.

Who knows how long?

Now, of course, you can go back and say, well, wasn't it your guy?

who was there for 500 terms and is the reason we have the constitutional amendment that limits it to two?

I don't know if you remember.

this.

It was FDR.

It wasn't some big Republican, a big conservative.

But beyond that,

Bloomberg did that in New York.

He was two-term limited there and led a campaign to get himself elected to change the Constitution to allow him to be elected for a third term, which actually worked and he was successful.

One of the reasons it worked was because it was in the middle of the financial crisis and people were like, well, we don't want to change.

And he knows a lot about money, I think, so keep him there.

But he actually got a third term.

How is the left going to make that argument, which they will make, by the way, if Trump wins?

Yeah, they will.

If they nominate Michael Bloomberg, who is the, you know, he's, he's the trailblazer on this particular thing.

The Bloomberg thing isn't going to happen, right?

It's not, he's not going to win.

He honestly would probably have a better chance if he ran as an independent, right?

Out of this primary process, jumped in on his own, wait to see, you know, because he keeps saying he doesn't want Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

They're too socialist.

Well, if one of those guys wins, then you jump in and maybe, you know, you run as an independent.

That would probably be a more realistic path for him to make a dent here.

He's not going to win in this field.

They don't want him.

Nobody wants Michael Bloomberg.

Nobody wants him.

That's why

it wants money.

I was so surprised to see him actually get into this because who was clamoring for this?

Nobody.

No.

Nobody was.

Nobody said, you know, we've got really crappy.

Well, they're saying that they've got bad choices, but nobody has said, hey, and I sure wish that great option, Michael Bloomberg, would jump in here to give us a better choice.

Nobody wants that.

Yeah.

I mean,

they might want Michelle Obama or Hillary even, but they don't want Michael Bloomberg.

I don't think they want Hillary.

No, Michelle Obama, they would love to have.

They would love that.

Or Oprah.

Yeah, something like that.

It's funny, too.

One other part of this, which is interesting, I think, is the Billionaire Club's a pretty exclusive club.

What's their, you know, a few hundred of them, right?

And they all sort of compete with each other.

And for a very long time, Donald Trump was seen as this sort of like

low-level billionaire to these other billionaires, right?

Like, this is, you know,

it used to be explained as Donald Trump is a rich person for poor people, right?

Like, poor people see Donald Trump as the ultimate rich person, but rich people don't see Donald Trump as the ultimate rich person.

They see him as like, you know,

like

more like almost like a consumer-facing object, right?

As opposed to some well-done research.

If you think of it, like it's like he's like an advertising guy.

He's a guy who's like making money off of his name.

He's on TV all the time, where the people like Bloomberg are serious and they've created real businesses and they've created real value and they're doing real job.

He's just like a sideshow.

He's a cartoon.

And that was the way Trump was seen within that community for years and years.

And of course, it bothered, I think, Donald Trump.

I mean, there's a lot of of reporting that it did.

However, I mean, it's hard for him.

I mean, the guy is the president of the United States now.

So he's one here, right?

Like, he's no longer, you can't criticize him in that way anymore.

And I think a lot of these, remember, there's two billionaires running in the Democratic primary right now.

Tom Steyer is also running and trying to do a very similar thing to limited success, but some

in the early states.

And Bloomberg is now trying this.

There's this thing, I think, there's this competition among billionaires where they see what Trump has accomplished as if Trump can do that, of course, I can do it.

I'm much better, I'm much smarter,

I have more money than he does.

And there's this weird competition that goes on there for it's not even about money, it's about pride, it's about accomplishment.

And Bloomberg, I think, that is where he sees himself in this race.

Steyer is a real ideologue.

Steyer is a big-time, like he's Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders-level ideologue that happens to have a a lot of money.

Yeah, which is why I could you could see a situation where, and she's not going to win, but like a Kamala Harris wins the presidency and you put someone like Tom Steyer as your VP, because again, then Steyer can spend all of his money on the campaign, whether you like, and he's he's aligned quite well with the Democrats.

Bloomberg isn't, though.

There's no, there's no ticket.

I mean, maybe he would fit on a Joe Biden ticket or something.

I don't think he would take a VP slot.

But still, like, there's a situation where there is not a lot of thirst for a guy who's going to brag he used to be a Republican in this field.

That's not a thing that people want.

Yeah, right.

And

I think you're right about

his fellow billionaires who are looking at Trump and thinking they can do the same thing.

Oh, yeah.

And I think Mark Cuban's another one.

I think Mark Cuban would love to jump into this race somewhere because it eats him alive that Trump is the president of the United States and he's not.

Yeah.

I think he sees himself as a better version, right?

Definitely.

Yes.

Because there are different profiles.

I'm on TV too.

I'm a billionaire, too.

I could do this better than Trump could.

I'm way smarter than him.

I've dealt with him before.

I'm smarter than him.

They all, look, when you're a billionaire, of course, you kind of feel this way, right?

Of course, you do.

You've accomplished a lot.

You've built something that no one else can do.

You're in the very top echelons of society.

People do things for you all the time.

You basically win all the time.

You're used to it.

And then you see this guy who you thought your entire life is this kind of pathetic entry into your little club.

The guy, it's like the guy in, you know, Rodney Dangerfield and Caddyshack, right?

Like, that's Trump to these guys.

Like, you know, they're all around there having their nice little golf tournaments, and this guy's building condos next door, and he's got like the lap.

He's got a stereo on his golf bag that he's blasting.

Yep.

You know, and he's making all sorts of rude comments.

And everyone's like, oh, I can't believe him.

Take that hat.

Oh, you know,

did you get a free bowl of soup with that hat?

You know, I mean, like, it's that point where they see him as this invader into their cool thing.

And then, like, it's time to wait.

Well, we can beat him.

Why don't we just step in?

I've got way more money.

I can spend whatever I want.

I'll come in here and I'll crush this guy.

He sucks.

And I think that's the way they think about it.

And they're going to find out that this little summary of the American people, which is so,

so progressively typical, is to say that because you ask anybody who brings up the point hey, you know, I just don't want money taking over politics.

I don't want anyone, I don't want to, you can go buy an election.

He's going to go try to buy an election.

That shouldn't be allowed.

Ask any person who says that one question.

Would you ever be won over by ads?

If they ran like a thousand ads on your, let's just say they targeted only you with all their money and every day all you did was wake up and there's billboards in front of your house with Michael Bloomberg's face.

And every TV commercial is Michael Bloomberg telling you all the things that you want to hear.

Would you be won over by by it?

And what they will tell you every single time is, of course not.

I'm not going to be won over by political ads.

What they're saying implicitly there is everyone else is lesser than me.

I can do it.

I can resist the ads.

I can think for myself, but everyone else is going to be fooled.

And I can't allow other people to be fooled because their personal decision-making process isn't one that I approve of.

It's so,

it's so pathetic.

It's so arrogant and so elitist and so condescending.

And it's all built into that little phrase.

And we're about to prove it wrong.

It's not true that you can buy an election.

It doesn't happen in this country.

It's not true.

And, you know, this has been a thing where you want to say the Koch brothers, they want to bring up their little boogeymen on the right all the time that are supposedly buying elections.

Well, who's got like multiple billionaires in their field trying to do it?

Not to mention multiple millionaires.

I mean, Elizabeth Warren's got a lot of money too.

Andrew Yang's not

poor.

Plus, the unions who spend about three to four times what the Koch brothers do on elections.

Yes.

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Coming up, we're going to talk about this Navy situation with the Navy SEAL.

And President Trump has been

pardoning people,

blocking

their trident being taken away as a seal.

You know, they got the trident thing that makes you a seal.

And I guess the Navy was going to

have a hearing as to whether or not he got to keep that.

The guy that was,

he was accused of war crimes, but not convicted of them.

Correct.

And so that is a big controversy.

The Secretary of the Navy basically fired overnight, which is a big situation

in our country, but I don't think the press understands it at all.

You can hear by the way they're handling it.

They have no idea how this plays to the American people.

We'll get into that coming up on the Glenn Beck program.

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The Kaepernick thing, I could do.

Oh, good gosh.

I could talk for that.

I could talk about that for the whole show.

Just the Kunta Kinte shirt is enough to spark a lot of discussion.

Really?

Yeah.

Well, maybe we should get into that.

Maybe we should.

We also have the

Navy situation that kind of broke overnight.

It is a bizarre thing.

These things,

it's an interesting

experiment, thought experiment to look back at the Trump administration and think of it as like, if it was a run-of-the-mill sort of

administration, how big these stories would be.

I mean, I think we easily could have gone this entire day not even talking about that.

And been finding, you know, where I think it happens in another administration.

It's a huge story for weeks and weeks.

Definitely.

Here, it's like, eh, whatever.

What happened?

I don't even know.

We really have

become immune to the big story these days.

Yeah, we have.

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The Navy.

Some interesting things going on with the Secretary of the Navy.

Yeah.

Kind of big.

Kind of big.

Now, the very unfortunately named Richard Spencer, which is not the name you want.

in 2019.

Richard Spencer, the white supremacist, has sort of screwed you over on that one.

If your name's Richard Spencer, like, I've been Richard Spencer for a very long time, and now all of a sudden it sucks.

I will give you a good example of this, actually.

Let's just say your name happened to be Lisa Page.

That's where I thought you were going to

go with that.

Which I happened to be married to a person who happens to have the name Lisa Page.

Now, this is not the Lisa Page who's in the middle of the Trump impeachment stuff or the Mueller report.

Like, you'll see, you know, it was Page and Strzok, right?

I get all these names confused, yeah who were texting back and forth about how bad donald trump was they needed an insurance policy uh to take him down like and they were having an affair they're having an affair going on i hope it wasn't the same lisa page geez i haven't really thought of it that way uh

but

her name my wife's name and lisa page is now that you know they're the same name they're spelled differently but whenever you say lisa page people don't don't think about you know this

you know, pop culture radio host.

They're thinking about this person who's been texting these terrible things about the president.

I told her at one point, I'm like, you know what?

The truth is, like, this thing blows up big enough, you're going to have to change your name.

You're going to have to.

Because, like, what if her name was like Monica Lewinsky, right?

Like, and she just went through her whole life as Monica Lewinsky, and then one day Monica Lewinsky happens.

You can't keep your name Monica Lewinsky.

You almost have to change it.

Yeah, I think pretty much you do.

If your name's like Dave Duke, it probably was like Adolf Hitler.

You don't want to be Adolf Hitler in this day and age.

Yeah, you just can't.

It just doesn't, it's not helpful.

No, it's not.

So, Richard Spencer, who was the Navy secretary,

he

had a, there was a big blow-up, and we probably have to walk back a few paces here to explain what happened.

But there was a Navy SEAL who was accused of war crimes within the war on ISIS.

And the accusation was basically he was killing prisoners in custody, and that was a violation of all of our

standards when it comes to,

you get a, even in war, you get a, there are standards there, right?

And so you're not supposed to just like kill people for no reason when they're captured.

Now, of course,

Gallagher denied doing this.

They went through a trial, and he was acquitted.

He didn't do it, at least legally, and he has denied the entire time that he did this.

It gets a little more complicated after that because

he did pose with the body of ISIS prisoners.

Yeah, and we've seen the evidence of that, so there's kind of no denying that.

Right.

And you're not supposed to do that.

Right.

Now, that's not something you're going to necessarily go to prison for, but it was something that the military said, you know what, we're knocking you down rank.

You're not going to have the rank that you used to have because we think this is not the

behavior.

It's the coming of a Navy SEAL.

Exactly.

Now, usually what happens is the military deals with that stuff.

You can say it's right or wrong, and that's the end of it.

What happened here was Trump jumped in and said, look,

no, we're restoring his rank.

He didn't do anything wrong.

Stop treating our soldiers badly when they come back from being overseas and fighting for us.

So

this happened,

and he had his rank restored, which

ruffled some feathers within the military sort of structure.

And then after that, they said, well, we're going to have this sort of board of his peers to decide whether he gets to remain a Navy SEAL and keep his trident.

They're like, oh, well, I guess this is something.

And, you know, you look at me and you say, that guy's got to be a Navy SEAL.

And it's not true.

I'm actually not a Navy SEAL.

A lot of people think that.

A lot of people look at me and just say, oh, my gosh, he just looks like it.

You know, really good shape.

You know, just looks like a guy who would be a hero.

A lot of people think that about me.

And that's not actually true, technically.

Really?

Yeah, that surprises me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot of it happens to so many.

And look, I want to to make sure that I don't want to steal any valor here.

I did not serve in that capacity.

Thank you for clearing that up.

No, it's okay.

It's okay.

So

I don't know all the ins and outs, but basically there's a panel that says of his peers that say, look, we don't think.

Oh, they're Navy SEALs saying like, look, no, you screwed up here and we're going to knock you down.

That hadn't happened yet, but it was going to happen.

Trump stepped in again and said, no, we're not going to let that happen.

That's not happening.

Then there was a big disagreement between the Secretary of the Navy and the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of Defense won, and now the Navy Secretary has been basically fired publicly.

He fired back in a very harshly worded letter, as all,

you want to talk about military drama.

It always comes in the form of a harshly worded letter.

And basically said,

look, this is the president is jumping into the middle of

how we keep people

accountable in the military, and you can't do that.

Now, of course, he can do that.

He very clearly can do it.

Commander-in-Chief?

Yeah.

Kind of means something.

It means you can do that.

Yeah, there's a role there for you in this.

But he didn't like it and he stepped down.

And fine, whatever.

But this is being blown up as yet another massive controversy, yet another game changer, yet another day where the walls are closing in on the Trump administration.

Yet again, another major thing that we're all supposed to be fired up and worried about.

And the media is trying to make it into this big story.

And look, it's a big story because you know it affects you know, the most important, you know, group of people probably in all of our lives, the military.

But beyond that, I think that the press thinks this is something that's going to hurt Trump.

No way.

Or they wouldn't be talking about it.

Not with the American people.

I think you're totally right on that.

I think you're totally right on that.

The American people look at this and say, this is exactly what we want Trump for.

Yes.

A person who's going to look at all the nonsense.

Wait a minute.

What was he?

He took a picture with a guy trying to kill him?

It's like the naked pyramid thing.

Yeah.

They want someone who's going to step up and say, screw you.

Screw all your little bureaucracy.

You want to come back and punish a guy who's over there defending us against terrorists because he took a photo?

Nope.

No.

Get out of my way.

And the people are going to agree with that every time.

Yeah.

You're going to get 80, 90% of Americans on board with that, I think.

I think so, too.

I think this helps them a lot.

I mean, standing up for not only

someone in our military, but also someone in our military who's being targeted for negative consequences.

And you can stand up and just knock all the crap out of the way and say, you know what?

This guy, maybe he made a mistake here or there.

I don't know.

But the bottom line is what he was doing is good for this country.

And we need people like that.

And if we start treating them like people who can come back and constantly be punished for that fighting, we're going to lose them.

People aren't going to want to sign up.

And it's Max of Vietnam all over again,

treating those soldiers the way we treated them when they came back.

And nobody wants that.

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You have Disney Plus, right?

I do.

Yes, I have not actually watched it yet, but I do have it.

Oh, you haven't even watched it yet?

Not really, no.

What was it?

Like, I haven't seen the numbers since, but day one, there were 10 million new subscribers.

Day one, 10 million.

Been a nice year for Disney.

Good year.

Yeah, that's a good, that's a decent number for the first day.

And now we're, what, two weeks beyond that?

I'm sure they're at 12, 15.

Who knows?

I haven't seen the the numbers um

but uh i signed up uh because of the mandalorian yeah me too that's why you signed up i actually when i heard the idea of disney plus i was like oh come on i'm like sign up that stupid thing they're like we've got a star wars series we're not going to tell you anything about it okay i'm in yep i'm in yep mandalorian i don't even know what a mandalorian is i don't i'm in i still

you know it's amazing how much goodwill was banked by those first three movies

because since those first three movies they've released eight more between the main series and the two spin-offs Yeah

or seven is it seven or is it eight?

I don't know seven or eight new movies.

I've liked none of them

Really not a single one of them do I like okay

and yet

I buy Disney Plus for the Mandalorian and I'm looking forward with a great deal of anticipation to the new movie coming out in December.

I already bought my Disney movie it's just that's how much that's how much That's how much goodwill they banked for me with those first three movies.

It's amazing.

And I would make a very strong and defensible argument that really the first three were really the first two.

The first two movies.

I know you don't like Return of the Jedi.

Return of the Jedi.

I like the Ewoks.

Return of the Jedi.

Just

hug an Ewok if you want to watch Return of the Jedi.

I would say that I like some of the Ewes.

That was the beginning of the stupid Star Wars characters that have to be in every movie.

Right.

Yes, that was definitely that.

No, the Ewoks never got any love.

Is there going to be an Ewok in part nine?

Like, there's just one Ewok on a ship somewhere walking by.

They didn't get any love.

I think Lucas realized his mistakes.

Oh, yeah, and then he went right to Jar Jar after

Jar Jar.

Then he thought, okay, maybe that's the end of that.

Yeah.

But you're right.

It is amazing.

I guess it's just because of this.

It's a retro thing.

It makes you feel like

the old days.

I was talking to somebody who's younger than me the other day, and he's like, God, I just remember those first three movies.

And I'm like, I know, it was incredible.

And he was actually talking about the prequels.

Oh,

wait, really?

You're saying the prequels have a.

I would hate everything about Star Wars if that's the way I started.

Yes.

But that, you know,

there's still something great about those movies.

Even like I, I have.

There's an excitement.

I don't know, a sense of wonder every time.

Yeah.

I don't know how he.

Even with the bad ones, he kind of captured that, I think.

Maybe it's the music.

Maybe it's John Williams that should get all the credit for Star Wars.

Yeah.

I think you're probably right.

Because I noticed in The Mandalorian, I'm pretty sure John Williams didn't do this music, and it's not quite the same.

I mean, I was okay with it the first one.

The second one, I was like, okay, I don't know that I like this.

And then the third one kind of brought it back around to me.

I got reinterested after the third episode.

Okay, so you do like it overall?

I do like it overall.

So I'm going to watch it at some point.

But I mean,

I did not have to attend.

the screening of Frozen 2 this weekend with my daughter, but she was very excited about it.

And so apparently were a lot of other people.

It set a record for the most money ever in a weekend for an animated movie.

And so far, this year, I mean, think of what a year this is for Disney.

Disney Plus launches with all this stuff going on.

Lots of money there.

They have now,

it looks like six movies that are earning, they're going to earn a billion dollars worldwide this year.

Wow.

Now, that is.

Wow, that includes the Marvel stuff, right?

Yeah, so you've got Avengers Endgame.

You've got Lion King.

Okay.

You've got Toy Story 4.

Wow.

Captain Marvel, which everyone kind of said sucked, I think, but it was still going to make a billion dollars.

It still made over a billion dollars.

And Aladdin with Will Smith, which wasn't that good.

It still made over a billion dollars worldwide.

Frozen 2 is definitely going to do it.

Frozen 2 is already at $127 million in one weekend.

One weekend, and that's just here.

Yeah.

And then we're not even talking about the last Star Wars of the main nine movies that we were promised all those years ago, which is obviously also going to earn a billion dollars worldwide.

So they're going to wind up with eight movies, eight movies

in one year that are going to earn a billion dollars.

And that doesn't include the Spider-Man thing, which is in that weird, like, kind of...

You know, I don't know exactly.

I think it's distributed by Sony, but it's sort of part of the Marvel thing and whatever.

I can't understand all that crap.

But the bottom line is they're doing pretty well.

Yeah, plus they own everything.

Everything.

ABC, ESPN.

They bought Fox, Fox Entertainment, not Fox, the

News.

They own Marvel and Pixar and National Geographic and Discovery, I think, is part of their deal too, but they don't have that on Disney Plus.

But, I mean, what an amazing empire that's become.

And I've been watching this series on Disney Plus called, I think Imagineers, Disney Imagineers or Imagineering or something.

It tells the story of Walt back in the 50s, and it takes him all the way through the 90s and 2000s, and his vision for Disney and what they went through along the way to try to get to where they were, because they were actually a much, much smaller company when he started doing theme parks in the 50s.

Disney wasn't the behemoth that it is now.

And so it was really tough for them, and they fell on some pretty hard financial times.

And there were some times in there where Roy Disney was like, Walt,

you're going to bring this company into bankruptcy.

He's like, nope, I'm doing it.

And he just kept going.

And his vision was amazing.

But I mean, it's interesting to see Disney then and what Disney is now when they own everything and they've got six or eight movies that are going to be at a billion dollars each.

I mean, it's amazing.

It's an amazing process.

It is.

We went to Disneyland with the kids a few weeks ago.

And

the first thing you notice is there's there's just not one piece of trash anywhere.

It's as if people are not the slobs we know they are.

Yeah.

Right.

Like all of a sudden, all these people are walking around, not dropping napkins and they're not dropping wrappers.

And of course, they are.

It's just that there's people walking around

constantly, cleaning them up.

It's fascinating.

We were getting to the point where we were just dropping stuff on the floor, just like hide behind a bush to see how long it took for someone to pick it up.

It really is crazy.

But like, it's amazing.

It's amazing what people will do.

There's tens of thousands of

people in this park every day that we were there walking 20 30 000 steps as we you know you might know uh your step count these days because of our stupid phones and uh

you know people look at that as a vacation but everything you buy is six times the amount that we know it costs yeah and and just getting into the park with the tickets and initially is sky high yeah I said to my wife, that was not a vacation.

That was a charitable donation to our children.

We should get that thing deducted.

Because

it's really like, it was just an excuse for me to walk a lot.

And I don't like walking.

I'm very against it.

Luckily, a lot of times you're walking to a fried food stand.

Oh, yeah, which does make me feel better.

Yeah.

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Did you happen to see?

I mean,

there's no venue we can enjoy without getting some sort of political nonsense smacked in our face.

And

I'm really tired of it.

Whether it's the NFL and the kneeling thing and the Colin Kaepernick thing, even into college football now at the Harvard-Yale game over the weekend, This is one of the big rivalries.

I think it's the oldest continual rivalry, at least one of them.

It's been going on for 136 years.

So they're in the middle of this rivalry.

They're about to come out for halftime.

And onto the field rush a whole bunch of protesters.

Here's a look at what happened if you're watching on Blaze TV.

Essentially,

running into the center of the field.

And then they do a sit-in

over climate change.

Now, I don't know, hundreds, maybe a few thousand people ended up out there, and they stayed on the field for an hour.

An hour.

And then finally, some of them, most of them walked off, but 42 of them were left.

And police had to arrest them.

And

I mean, you can't go to a Yale-Harvard game without it being interrupted.

And now Yale Bowl doesn't have any lights.

So they're playing in virtual darkness by the end of the game because it was delayed an hour by these idiots over climate change.

Take your thing elsewhere.

Would you please?

And it sort of shows how dumb climate protesters are because no one cares if the Harvard-Yale game happens or not.

Okay, I got news for you.

You want to go to an Alabama game.

You go to an LSU game.

People are going to get really pissed about it.

Here, they're like, eh, I mean, this is a good excuse to just go home.

Right.

We don't have to stay.

Right.

It's cold.

Yeah.

You know, let's just get out of here because it's a nice tradition.

I used to live in Connecticut, obviously, so did you.

And, you know, the Yale Bowl is like, like, it's a very well-known thing, and it's like the Harvard-Yale game's a big deal.

It used to be.

At one time, it was traditional sense.

In 1872, it was a really big game.

It was huge.

If they disrupted that game in 1872, I'd be pissed off.

People would be pissed.

Because that's for the national championship, probably.

Probably.

Because there's only two colleges, okay, here.

Them and Rutgers.

There were about three.

Yeah, three.

Now, no one cares.

I mean,

like, the Ivy League football thing is just not a big enough deal for anyone to care.

That's true.

That That is a typical, horrible move by climate protesters.

And it's like climate protesters are strange.

It's somewhat unique in the way that they protest things and they try to stop people from enjoying life.

And do you think you're going to win people to your cause when you're doing that?

That's what I mean.

It's no like, you know, they'll go and they'll like block a street so people can't get to work.

And you're like, that's so irritating.

Or they'll be like, hey, you know, we need to ban big screen televisions.

And you're like, big screen?

Of all the things?

Like, go yell at

the coal plant with the smokestacks.

Like, people might be on your side there.

They also want to watch The Mandalorian on their big screen TV.

Right.

Don't target big screen TVs.

It's a terrible idea.

Dumb move.

Dumb move, right?

Or they'll just block, like, oh, I have to go pick up my daughter at school, but I can't because of climate protesters.

I mean, that is not a good way to go.

You're not winning friends and influencing people, no question.

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Now, Stephen joins us now, and I'm interested in the decision-making process that led here, which is here you are, Stephen, going into a weekend.

You're going to be around your family, Thanksgiving table, everyone getting together,

warm thoughts and memories.

And you've picked today

for a special entitled Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.

It's a perfect time.

It's the perfect time of year for that.

Well, thank you for having me.

I mean, keep in mind that I did

three years ago, my very first Christmas special was live waterboarding.

Nice.

Okay.

All right.

Well, no, today is, for people who don't know, it's actually really more on par with sort of an evil Knievel Robbie Knievel stunt, complete with Patriot attire and a jumpsuit.

I will be, we have created an exact to scale replica of Jeffrey Epstein's cell.

So this will be tonight at 8 p.m.

Eastern.

People can watch in the blaze or youtube.com slash Steven Crowder.

And we have Newton scales both at the point of compression around the neck and on the actual hanging device itself.

And I am going to attempt to kill myself the way Jeffrey Epstein did.

Now, that being said, I will have a neck brace, but I am so confident that some of the numbers we have been given by the media, for example, the hyoid bone, they say, well, it's easy.

It would only take 30 minutes, 30 newtons, sorry, to break it.

I will do that with no neck protection.

You will watch me live on air attempt to break my hyoid with the amount of force they recommended, and then as well as trying to get to the 1,200 pounds of force number, which is what they use to administer death by hanging, which still only results in one in 20 examples of the kind of fractures we sell with Epstein.

So a lot of research has gone into this.

We've had an engineer on staff.

And yeah, right before Thanksgiving, I'm going to try and hang myself in an accurate-to-scale replica cell of Jeffrey Epstein for the whole family.

Now,

unlike the actual

incident with Epstein, will your cameras work?

Will we be able to

see this happen?

I appreciate your concern, and it's a legitimate question.

We do have several security guards on Clinton Watch as well.

Good entrances and exits.

Because the last thing I want is to be conducting a scientific experiment, and Rodham comes back and hits me in the back of the head with a mallet like Gallagher.

We're going to make sure that it's a controlled experiment.

We have multiple cameras, so hopefully nothing will glitch out.

If it does, and uh you know i i cease to be i begin assuming room temperature i i do allow everyone permission to suspect foul play wow so is there now how do you feel stephen if something terrible does happen tonight how do you feel about us exploiting it for ratings

i i would be disappointed if you didn't frankly i uh i i am i mean come on i am hanging myself right for uh i mean really this is to show the viewer this is here's the thing i don't know i really don't know and i did a lot of training a lot of next specific training and a diet of nothing but oyster crackers and mushrooms.

So I've been taking this diligently, you know, treating it diligently for the last few months.

This is to show the audience that, listen, maybe it's possible, maybe it's not, but

anyone who's been skeptical has been labeled a conspiracy theorist.

Borderline not allowed on YouTube.

I am so confident that the story we have been given is false that I will be performing half of these ducks without any protection.

Then I will put on protection when I get to what the actual numbers are required, you know, to actually hang yourself.

Listen, no one is saying that Jeffrey Epstein couldn't have strangled himself.

What we are saying is this idea that he fractured three bones.

We have calculated the force that is required in the exact cell because keep in mind,

he nailed himself to breaking three bones in his neck, right?

The reports, he didn't jump from the top of the bed.

And also, when it's an eight by eight cell, keep in mind too, the torque on that cord, right, there's sheer force and torque, depending on the angle, it's not like he could drop down that far.

Because if his feet were completely up against the bed and he's pushing against the bed, he still can't go beyond a gap of about four and a half, five feet between the bed and the bars, which would support his weight because his face would go straight into the bars.

So the moment we've been building this set out and conducting some pre-experiments,

I don't want to say that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, but I'm more convinced than ever that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

It's really interesting because

I think we're in the same place on this, Steven, in that like I keep looking at this story and thinking, when I think logically, common sense-wise, over and over again, I keep coming back to the fact that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

But on the other hand, it's like, well, there's not really evidence like the

of

any, there's nothing concrete.

Now, you may create some concrete evidence here tonight, but I mean, like, the medical examiner is saying that this is, this is possible.

This is

what happened.

There are explanations, you know, like maybe

the guards may not have been checking any night.

They may just be completely lazy guards that realized they could sleep through that shift whenever they felt like it and nothing was going to happen.

There are other competing explanations.

I'm sorry, but like you're a logical guy, and I'm a logical guy.

The most notorious pedophile in the world with the most,

you know, the most in-depth, intimate relationships with some of the most powerful people.

I find it hard to believe that nobody was checking.

And by the way, we will also have a live timer with Even Brendan, my youngest producer here.

He will be forced to create the rope of bed sheets without any sharp utilities or even edges so he will be locked in a room and we will time how long it takes to tie a rope of bed sheets that could adequately hang someone because keep in mind he did that so it's not like the camera switched out for a few seconds my guess is it'll take between 10 minutes to half an hour if it takes five minutes Unless the cameras were off the entire time, I mean, you're going to notice a guy.

He didn't even have a Swiss Army knife.

They've basically nerfed his whole room and he ties together a rope from bed sheets.

And keep in mind, the experiment that we're conducting, right, we conducted some free experiments here using cables, so bungee cords.

That's a much more direct force on the neck and the trachea and the hyoid.

And I understand what you're saying, but medical examiners have said it's possible, but that's what we're trying to...

Enamine this in a real-world scenario.

For example, the hyoid bone is something people focus on.

Well, it couldn't be less relevant because the hyoid bone is the easiest bone to break of the three fractures that Jeffrey Epstein sustained.

So they say, wow, the hyoid only takes 30 pounds of force, or sorry, 30 newtons.

Well, that's in a vice grip, where they take someone, you know, someone's hyoid bone, someone who's dead, you know, they take it off a cadaver, they crush it in a vice grip.

I was able to host the show with the amount of force they claim would crush the hyoid bone.

I actually did it, and I'll do that tonight to show that the arguments we've heard from medical examiners on the side of it's very easy to kill yourself, that's not true.

Now, it doesn't mean that it's not possible, but if I will be live on air talking to you, and this is again at 8 p.m.

Eastern, available on the Blaze and on YouTube, I will be talking to you throughout the entire experiment.

So you can hear the amount of force on my neck.

You will leave, I believe,

having a lot to think about.

And hopefully I would leave on a stretcher.

But it is,

you know,

it's required a lot of training and a lot of forethought and

a lot of tassels for my jumpsuit.

We have fire extinguishers on hand.

I will be wearing proper safety gear for my head.

Is there a possibility you could burst into flame?

There is a possibility.

There is absolutely a possibility.

Keep in mind, I am an untrained professional, so no one should be attempting this at home at all.

But we did have some engineers here really kind of crunch the numbers for us.

And I'm amazed that nobody else has.

There are a couple of stories to me that really don't add up.

It's this, it's the Epstein story, because if you read what we've read in the New York Times and the Washington Post, right, they just kind of want to dismiss it.

That doesn't add up.

And then the other story is the Vegas shooter, just that no one knows anything.

Think about that for a second.

What have we heard?

Those two years stories are the ones that stick in my

Yeah, that one's really, really weird as well.

Another addition to this, which I find fascinating, Stephen, is this

Amy Robox story, which happened with

James O'Keefe, where they released this video.

And, you know, she comes out and she says, we had this story for three years, and all these network, you know, or NBC sat on it.

And then they fire this poor woman from CBS who didn't even do anything wrong.

I mean, like, that whole story was so ridiculous.

You know, the media has ignored it completely.

Conservatives have picked up that part of the story.

But one of the things I'm fascinated by is that Amy Roebuck, a story, a

decorated journalist in the mainstream who covered the story for multiple years, also says on this tape that she is 100% convinced that Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself.

And that is on the tape, and I have not heard anyone investigate that.

You know, you say that people, you know, they're conspiracy theorists if they believe this.

I mean, is Amy Roebach a conspiracy theorist?

This is like this, this feels, I think, to the American people, not like a crazy conspiracy theory, but like something that actually happened and is being hidden from us.

No, I think you're absolutely right.

Here are some things that are that are undeniable that are not conspiracy theories.

Jeffrey Epstein ran a pedophile ring with some of the most powerful people in the world.

He had an island dedicated to pedophilia.

He had a ranch as well where he had, you know, giant people can look up these pictures of giant orgy showers and rooms with pillows and crucifixes and life-size crucifixes and no beds, by the way, way just pillows and showers um that's absolutely true weird he obviously was put on suicide watch at one point for some reason was removed from it he he hung himself by kneeling in a cell with a rope from bed sheets that he tied himself with no tools that no guards noticed and he sustained the kind of injuries that only occur one in 20 from dead hang pull-ups meaning when people are doing you know a brooks and shawshank hanging themselves from the beam and kicking the stool out that only results one in 20 of those kind that

result in these pre-fractures.

There is no conspiracy about that, and that's what we're going to be testing tonight.

Those are facts.

Doesn't mean that it's not possible, but this idea that it is the most plausible scenario, or that if someone says, you know what, I don't think that's the most plausible scenario, considering that

the Clintons have a higher kill count than a Klan in Call of Duty.

That's what this is about.

This is for the people who've all been dismissed.

It's so you can visually watch what it is that you suspect, and you can watch it beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Keep in mind, again, I am an untrained professional, so there always is the risk that I either spontaneously combust, you know, or have to speak through one of those, you know, commercials for esophagal cancer where I'll be hosting a show like this after.

I have no idea.

It could happen.

It's just interesting because, I mean, you know, I'm sure this is going to be really funny as well, and I expected it to be funny, but this, I feel like we're watching like a legit Mythbusters episode here.

Does feel like it, doesn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's also interesting that you brought up that he didn't jump from the top cell, the top bunk bed, which would have made sense if you're really trying to hang yourself, because that kind of force you would understand.

All right, yeah, that snapped his neck in three places.

Much more likely than just kneeling down and doing it.

You know, the thing is, he couldn't, the reason that no one is reporting that he jumped off the top bunk.

And when you look at the cell, you'll see why it would likely be impossible because there would be no way to tie the rope so tight that you would generate tension without your body's natural defense mechanisms.

Your body doesn't want to die, right?

So there would be no way to tie a rope where his feet couldn't be on the bottom bunk or his feet couldn't touch the floor.

And that's what we've also, this is something else that no one takes into account, right?

It's very easy to strangle yourself, okay?

But that's not what they're arguing.

They're arguing that three bones were broken.

So we've been running some pre-tests, and I've completely slunk down to the ground, you know, where I'm not generating any force.

That's not even close to what's needed to snap a neck.

But people don't realize it takes only three seconds, approximately, to be choked unconscious, right?

In those three seconds, that's your window to generate enough enough force to break your neck, primarily because you would have to be creating leverage, pushing against the bed, snapping it.

Because once you go unconscious, there is no chance that you're going to create enough force to fracture those three bones.

So we also need to see if we can generate enough force before the amount of time it would take to pass out.

The fact that it's so easy to strangulate yourself actually

is stacks a deck against the idea that Jeffrey Epstein fractured his neck, because he would have had to be conscious to throw himself to create the kind of force, torque, Newton necessary to kill himself.

And that's why the more we've been building this set out, you know, what you're talking about here, we sent down to the car.

What if he jumped from the top bunk?

And we conduct some research.

Well, he didn't jump from the top bunk, but let's see if we can.

There's no way to really jump from the top bunk and create a rope that would function.

Wow.

Hold on a second.

What if he passed out and then was just slumped down?

You know, his legs got caught, let's say, on the bed.

So all of the energy went on his neck.

It was nowhere close to the force necessary.

So we haven't tested everything yet, but we've done a lot of pre-runs pre-runs here.

And the more that we've researched it, the more that we've recreated the set, the more convinced I am that we haven't gotten the full story.

And listen, people can watch for themselves at 8 p.m.

Eastern tonight.

It's the first time they'll be able to see in action what the cell looks like, what the kind of force was that could be generated.

And

we're not making, we're not jumping to conclusions yet.

So I'm as curious as you guys are, mainly to see that if I'll even be able to have this kind of a conversation.

Is there a promo code associated with your potential death tonight, Stephen?

There is.

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And of course, all the proceeds go directly to conducting these kinds of experiments in the future and this kind of content, which is wildly unprofessional, incredibly entertaining, but hopefully somewhat useful.

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Have you noticed she does this thing with billionaires where she's like, look, if you're on top of the hub, she has that really wavery, like weak voice.

On top of the what?

If you're the point one of the 0.1%,

you can pay an extra two cents, is the way she says it.

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Yeah, zero.

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Yeah.

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they were super, super interested?

None of them were interested.

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Well, I think a pretty big part is.

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Right.

Right?

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All right, so as you try to figure out which of these Democrats you like the best, and I mean, how do you choose from this field?

There's so many good options.

So many.

I mean, do you want Steve Bullock?

I don't know.

You're probably almost on that bandwagon.

What about John Delaney?

Oh, yeah.

If you saw him working out this weekend, the guy can do box jumps, apparently, like nobody else.

Yeah.

So maybe you want him.

Maybe you're all about Marianne Williamson.

Maybe you got the crystals and the essential oils going.

She can yodel.

We know that much.

She can yodel.

She can yodel?

Yeah, she'd be the first yodeling president, I think.

Is that true?

It is true.

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

Have you not heard her yodeling?

I mean, I don't remember hearing her yodel, but

I don't know if

perhaps that's true.

I'm wondering if I do have...

Yes, okay.

Well, here's a

little taste.

Normally, way over there with Mernie and Elizabeth Automotive.

Tell me that's not Yodeling.

Normally, way over there with Mooney.

That's just her speaking, but it's pretty much her Yodeling.

How different is it from this?

It's about the same thing, right?

Oh, it's identical.

Because it's identical.

Which one is that?

Is that Marion Williamson or the Yodeling?

Because nobody knows.

I can't tell.

If you don't know, you can't tell.

Now, at least you can tell that about...

Marion Williamson.

You can't tell that about Joe Sestak, who's also in this race, and no one knows that.

I cannot believe Joe Sestak is still in this race.

Nobody's mentioned him in, I don't know, six months, eight months.

I mean, did anyone even notice he started running?

Maybe not.

No, maybe not.

It was one of those things he came in kind of late in the campaign, and people were like, Yeah, we don't want you here.

That was kind of the reaction

by

a crowded room

right now.

I was like, Bloomberg, he's coming in here with $50 billion.

And like, while the Democrats might not want him,

local media sources that sell political ads do.

Oh, yeah.

At least there's some.

I mean, because I don't know how you're going to get an ad placed.

Bloomer could always pay a higher rate.

So I don't know how that works exactly.

I know there's rules all around that.

But I don't think Joe Sestak's going anywhere.

No.

I don't think it's going to happen.

He's not.

Michael Bennett.

You think it's going to happen for Michael Bennett?

I'm not sure, but I'm guessing no.

Julian Castro, that thing didn't happen, huh?

No.

That one I'm particularly satisfied about.

I'm glad that thing.

Yeah.

That was a disaster.

And he was one of those people who was talked about as a potential top-tier candidate.

Yeah.

And he jumped in and really from moment one has been a giant zilch.

So was Betto, you know, who's now.

Well, Betto did have at least a moment.

When he lost a lot of money, he had a moment in 2012.

He was running for the Senate, but he didn't really have much of a moment, did he?

Well, when he lost it, maybe at the very beginning.

He had the biggest fundraising day, beat Bernie.

First day of fundraising.

He went up to low double digits in polling in a few polls, and then just every day, another 10th ticket.

You know why?

Because he began talking.

Yeah.

And

that was all we needed.

There was a

bedo mythology out there around the nation.

And it didn't affect us here in Texas because we saw this race between him and Cruz.

And you saw that he really wasn't that good.

He really wasn't an effective speaker.

He really isn't smart.

He really isn't a Kennedy in the making.

We saw that here in Texas.

But I mean, as a country, what people saw was, here's a guy who's raising a ton of money and is coming pretty darn close to beating Ted Cruz in Texas.

He must be amazing.

Right.

And it was helped by news, quote-unquote news, viral news organizations like Now This, who would take his speeches and package them with music behind them and all of that crap.

So it would be one of those things where people had this great impression of all of his best moments that went viral.

He got all this money, he must be great.

In reality, the truth is he was not great.

The amount of money he received in Texas

allowed him to be relatively competitive.

And, you know, look, Ted Cruz, for all the things I like about Ted, you know, he's not a particularly endearing figure when it comes to an emotional connection, right?

Like people don't feel that way about Ted.

They just think he's, you know, he passes, he votes the right way on most stuff, and he knows the Constitution, and there's a lot to like, but he doesn't drive passion.

And what drove passion in that election was, could we actually win Texas as the Democrats?

Like, that would be incredible.

We got to donate money to this guy.

I don't care who he is.

And then he got in the race, and people were like, oh, that's the guy?

Oh, he sucks.

And he wants to set the Constitution on fire, which is

always a super big plus for many.

I mean, even Democrats don't necessarily want you to set fire to the Constitution.

I mean, the Democrats who actually are

mainstream Americans,

not the leadership Democrats, not the elected Democrats.

I think most Democrats pretty much believe in the Second Amendment.

And I think they believe in due due process.

Average voters, you mean?

Average voters.

Yeah.

And so when they found out that Betto didn't believe those things, I think it was pretty much over.

That was over.

Yeah.

Deval Patrick, you think he's going to make a run here?

No.

No.

I mean, he has no chance, right?

No.

Bloomberg, we talked about.

Steyer, we talked about a little bit.

No chance really for either of those.

Although

it'll be an interesting experiment to watch, at least.

Andrew Yang.

I mean, Yang has actually run a freaking good campaign.

He has.

You got to give him credit.

And that's what's gotten him to, what, 4%?

4 or 5%.

Yeah, 4%.

It's probably where he'll whine.

I think he'll tap out about that.

About 4 or 5%.

Do you see he's boycotting MSNBC?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because they didn't give him any time to speak.

They never do.

I mean, look,

six minutes.

Yeah, the guy

has an audience.

He's built from nothing.

A campaign that is outdoing people like Corey Booker and A.B.

Klobuchar and Kamala Harris.

Which is pretty impressive.

Pretty impressive.

And yet he gets no love.

Because I guess, you know, I don't know if they just see him.

He's not extreme enough

for them.

That must be it.

Tulsi Gabbard kind of falls into the same sort of slot where she

wouldn't vote for Tulsi, but I like her.

Yeah, I kind of like her too.

And the same with Yang.

I would not, you know, if I had to vote for anyone, if you had to vote for anyone in the field, if you had to, gun to your head.

There's a gun to your head.

If you do not cast a vote, you will be shot

in front of your family who will remember it forever.

Now, you might still take the bullet, but let's just say, say, you might not.

I have to make a choice.

You have to make a choice.

Pick one candidate in this field that you'd actually cast your vote for.

Yeah.

I think for me, it probably would be Andrew Yang.

Now, that's largely.

He's a businessman, successful.

Yep.

He is, while I think, again, wrong on 95% of issues.

So I'm not saying I would vote for any of these people.

But if I had to, gun to my head, probably it's Yang.

Even like some of the stuff that he's talked about that is crazy liberal that I don't like.

For example, everyone knows

mincome, universal basic income.

He at least knows the arguments and knows the opposition arguments and took time, I think, to like, for example, I've heard him talk in depth about like Milton Friedman and the way he's talked about universal basic income.

And one of the things that people throw out, and I think one of the reasons why he has no chance of winning and gets six minutes from MSNBC in debates, is, yes, he has a universal basic income plan, which I think is absolutely the wrong wrong thing for the government to be doing.

On the other side of that, it also means getting rid of almost all the programs that we complain about.

Talking about like, you know,

Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and all the, I don't know if Medicare is not involved in that, but like all these other big welfare programs, food stamp programs, all these programs that are oppositional to conservative values in many ways would be eliminated if you pass this.

Now, I don't think that it would be more efficient, clearly.

I don't think the left would ever let it happen.

And that's one of the reasons why there's no chance of him winning this primary, right?

Because that is not a view that it even comes close to aligning to the Democratic Party right now.

It's only give free stuff, give, give, give, give, give.

Taking away programs for something that does not compute.

That's why, if he was elected and if he got the men come through, I don't think he'd be able to eliminate the other programs.

And you'd have both.

And then you'd have both.

Yeah.

That's the way that usually works.

That's what happens.

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So all of that leads us to one of the one of the top candidates in this race, Elizabeth Warren.

And just how expensive.

We talked a little bit about our tax situation last hour,

but there's a pretty good breakdown about how much all of this would cost.

And I think the total bill is

$52 trillion.

Is it?

It's almost all the money in the world.

Yeah.

Because all the money in the world is $60 trillion.

This would be a little bit less than that.

So, what you're saying is she's got plenty of breathing room there?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

She's got about $8 trillion in breathing room.

Well, it's actually, we're spending already over the next 10 years about $52 trillion,

which is a lot of money.

Now, she's.

Now, is that the federal budget?

$5.2 trillion a year, essentially?

Is that what you're saying?

So it is

the $52 trillion of national health expenditures currently projected for the next decade.

Now, remember,

you have to remember growth, inflation, and other things changing.

For example, more

people being in the country,

getting more benefits, more people who are living to older ages who are taking more benefits, these things.

This is why you don't launch giant programs like this because they're completely out of control.

The opposite of

a, you know,

conservatives will talk a lot about welfare programs, and there's huge problems in welfare programs.

But the much bigger offender to me is a universal program where everyone gets it, whether they are poor or needy or not.

And that's the stuff like, for example, Medicare, you get it at a certain age, or Social Security, you just get it at a certain age.

I mean, you know, things like that should not be programs that Bill Gates can qualify for.

They don't means test a lot of this stuff.

So

it grows fast.

$52 trillion over the next decade.

She's going to add a $7 trillion

additional cost there.

So we're looking at $59 trillion.

So how does she pay for the $59 trillion?

Because it's only $59 trillion.

I mean, if you can't figure out a way

to just pay for $5 trillion.

What is that?

That's a little bit less than $6 trillion a year.

Yeah.

It's not bad.

It's not bad.

I mean, you could print it.

It's more than all the federal budget we have right now.

Right.

So what?

So she has $16 trillion in current federal health spending from programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

Of course, a lot of that spending has no actual funding behind it.

So this is one of the tricks that Elizabeth Warren plays.

She says, well, we'll just take the money that's paying for X program and we'll move it over to my new program.

Why?

That would make sense, except there's no actual payment going to X program in the first place.

It's just on paper.

It's just going into debt.

So she's like, we're quote unquote paying for these programs.

Well, you're not paying for them.

Those are already putting us in debt and then you're adding on to it.

We have the programs, but they're not funded.

Right.

That's the unfunded liability we're talking about all the time that adds up to over $100 trillion.

It'll be a lot more under this plan.

She's going to

also expand Medicare, which is already

going to be projected to over $1 trillion in annual deficit.

Then she's going to force state and local governments to provide Washington with $6 trillion.

Now, how is that going to happen?

You might say.

It was like, wait, why would they do this?

Well, she's going to take Medicaid and get rid of Medicaid because everyone's going to get their health care for free, quote unquote.

So she's going to say, well, if you guys in the states are already paying this money for Medicaid, just send it to us.

Now, there's a little thing, and you may have heard of this, called the Constitution.

Yeah, I've heard of that.

There's a little problem with this.

Usually states don't have to do things like that.

Like,

you can't force states to pay for your federal programs like that.

That's not the way that works.

You can put taxes on individuals.

You can do lots of different things, but you can't just say, like, yeah, yeah, you guys pay us.

That's not the way that works.

Major problem there.

Then she's going to implement a $19.7 trillion new tax agenda

plus $800 billion in defense cuts.

$800 billion?

Yes.

In defense cuts.

And she said, quote, it doesn't raise taxes on anybody but billionaires.

Now, I think there's 607 billionaires in this country.

So she's going to put this 60 trillion plus program and all this spending I'm talking about

on the backs of 607 people.

Now,

that's ridiculous.

It's such an understatement.

But it is Elizabeth Warren, and it should be noted.

Elizabeth Warren lies a lot.

She knows these things are fake.

She's not an idiot.

Like, some people just don't know the details and they just say whatever they want to get elected, but they don't know the details of whether these things are going to work.

She knows what she's saying is not true.

She knows these things very well.

She's just choosing to lie to people because she wants their vote.

And that's.

Bernie knows too.

And that's why Bernie is saying, yeah, with my plan, yeah, everybody gets a tax raise.

Yep, even middle class.

Even the middle class.

Sorry.

But you know what?

It's going to be better for you.

And that's at least an argument.

Yeah, at least he's honest about it.

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i don't know if you're aware of this due but um adam shiff

says his claim his uh case against donald trump is ironclad is it really yeah he should present that part of it why is he skipping i don't know i don't know.

Why did he go with all the really shaky evidence first?

So amazing.

It's like, wait, what trial are you watching, Adam?

Because I'm seeing nothing here.

Of course, CNN sees it too.

CNN's in love with his evidence, I guess.

It was Brian Stelter who was asking Juliet Hudty a question about Juliet Huddy, who's formerly on Fox News.

I think she has a little axe to grind against Fox.

But anyway, he's asking her a question about, hey, you know, it was disheartening to see

that Fox, no matter how conclusive the evidence was against Donald Trump, spun this to be nothing.

And she kind of played along with that.

So the other side is claiming that

that was an ironclad case.

They presented all the evidence they need to impeach the guy.

And you think, well,

what?

What was, I guess because Sondlin said that he thinks or assumes there was quid pro quo, that does it.

I mean, they don't have a solid piece of evidence yet that I've seen.

Yeah.

They don't have first-hand testimony from anybody who heard it from the president.

Yes,

withhold the money because I want them to make this announcement.

That's true.

I mean, there's not, there really isn't

certainly legalistic evidence on that.

I mean, I think, you know, no one is arguing, for example, though, that Gordon Sondlin was a guy who wanted to go to Ukraine and say, hey, I want to withhold money for the Biden investigations.

Like, he's obviously on record multiple times on saying the opposite.

He didn't want to.

He didn't want to do it.

He didn't want to do it.

And he didn't want to do it.

But he did do it.

So why did he do it?

Right?

He must have legitimately believed that was the

quit.

Yes,

that somebody did want to quit.

He admits he didn't hear it from the the president

yeah and look

the president's not going to say that he understands um that it is a um a questionable thing that could get him in trouble probably right you could even in the call you could see him kind of hesitating and moving around the actual ask there

what i keep coming back to however is if he asked

so what

right i i don't yeah and i know this is like people get so weird about this and it's like well quid pro quo and And this is a lot, I will say, a large part of this is the way the Republicans and Trump himself have handled this and tried to make that the standard.

They haven't made it about the national interest.

Look, either it's absolutely fine to withhold money or

you don't have to give him a penny.

No.

Ever.

I mean, ever.

You should withhold those things if you believe it's in the national interest.

If you didn't believe it's in the national interest, that's another thing, but it's a much higher bar to prove, and they have not come close to proving it.

The only thing they have on that that is, well, Biden was a guy who was going to run for president.

And one of the ways they've tried to make that point more clear is to say, you know what?

He didn't even care about Ukraine until Biden was running.

That's not true at all.

That's not true, but he doesn't have to care about Ukraine.

He's not the president of Ukraine.

He's the president of the United States of America.

So my thing on that is, so what?

Even if he said, I don't give a rat's anus about Ukraine, oh well.

Right.

You can say that you don't believe him, right?

You can say you don't believe, I don't believe Trump.

He actually was going only for his own personal benefit.

And that's a fine thing to make, but that's you guessing about his motives.

Yes.

And admit that it's you guessing about his motives, and then we can have that discussion.

I don't know why they won't move off the quid pro quo into okay, yeah, but uh, it was in our national interest to find out to root out corruption.

If if this was a guy who was uh

who was making deals with Ukraine and withholding money from them in lieu of them firing a prosecutor, then that's a problem and we need to know about it in the United States.

It's in the national interest.

I don't know why they won't move to that.

Yeah, well, and I think part of it is, you know, look, Trump's gone his whole life with this sort of philosophy.

Never back down off of something.

Never say that any hotel in America is better than your hotel.

And never say that your phone call wasn't perfect.

It was perfect.

And you know what's interesting about this, and it's the only similarity I'm going to be able to find between between Elizabeth Warren and Donald Trump.

But Warren gets no heat for it, but does the same thing.

When every economist comes out and says, you have to raise taxes on the middle class for this,

she won't back down.

She won't say, well, yes, we're going to have to raise taxes, but it's going to be good for people.

She never does.

And where they knock Trump for it, they praise Warren for it.

And it really is a very

similar instinct.

Yeah, it is.

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Somebody we haven't heard from much in the last three years, Rick Perry.

And we're only hearing about him now, I think, because he's on his way out as Secretary of Energy.

But he's apparently changed his mind ever so slightly from the campaign in 2016.

I mean, just a little bit.

A little nuanced.

Yeah.

It's tough to tell.

I don't know if you can detect it.

It is, I know, you know, because.

I believe he referred to Donald Trump as a cancer during the campaign, but now he's the chosen one who is sent by God to lead us.

We have the audience.

God used imperfect people all through history.

King David wasn't perfect.

Saul wasn't perfect.

Solomon wasn't perfect.

And I actually gave the president a little one-pager on those Old Testament kings about a month ago.

And I shared it with him.

I said, Mr.

President, I know there are people that say, you know, you said you were the chosen one.

And

I said,

you were.

I said, if you're a believing Christian, you understand God's plan

for the people who

rule

and judge over us on this planet in our government.

So it's nuanced, you know,

like you said, Stu, it's tough to

find the difference there between campaign 2016 and today.

But

it's slightly different.

Yeah, it's different.

I mean, and look, and some of that is

there's a lot of people who did not like Donald Trump in the campaign and like him more now.

I've said a million times he's exceeded my expectations.

Mine too.

However,

to go from

cancer to the chosen one of God is significant.

It's a significant significant change, just the way it's going to be.

It's a significant change.

People are beating him up on this, and it's hard to tell exactly what he's trying to do there.

I mean, obviously, like, the sort of

obvious take is like, you know,

you want to get Trump on your side.

You say really positive things about him.

And he's just taking that to the nine millionth degree.

I mean, you could also make the argument, look, look, you know, it's God's will, and Trump is in that position because it's God's will, and that's all he was saying.

I don't know.

I mean, it is, there is, there is this weird thing, I think, particularly with people talking about religion around these issues.

It puts them in weird positions, I think, a lot.

You know, like there is a there's a

there was a big thing about how character was ultimately the most important thing when Bill Clinton was running.

And obviously, the Republicans have sort of long abandoned that.

And now Democrats claim that they care about character, which is just laughable.

I mean,

how you even with a straight face face say these things.

But really, both sides have sort of switched on that point.

I mean, during the Clinton impeachment, I mean, yes, there was a lot of conversation about

the legal part of this, but always bigger than that was the idea that conservatives care about who you are as a man, who you are as a person.

Yeah, it matters.

Character matters.

We said that a million times, especially during Clinton.

But like you said, it's changed, and there's pretty good indication of that.

Eric McTaxis

was interviewing Franklin Graham,

kind of about that very thing.

Awesome.

Well, you have not shrunk from

talking politics, and a lot of people have what I consider a profoundly unbiblical notion that if you love Jesus, you're not supposed to talk politics or be political.

I don't find that only wrong, but tremendously harmful.

And so you've been a hero to many because you've been willing to speak about politics.

And so, what do you think of what is happening now?

I mean, it's a very bizarre

situation to be living in a country where some people seem to exist

to undermine the President of the United States.

It's just a bizarre time for most Americans.

Well, I believe it is almost a demonic power that is trying.

I would disagree.

It is not almost demonic.

I mean, you know and I know that at the heart it is a spiritual battle.

It is a spiritual battle.

And if you look at what the President has done, just for our country, regardless of whether you are a Republican or Democrat,

the unemployment is at the lowest in 70 years.

More African Americans are working, more Latinos are working, more Asians are working, more everybody is working.

We have an economy that is just screaming forward.

It's incredible.

Can you even imagine we're saying this?

Because literally three years ago, our economy was dead

in the water, dead in the water.

We all know it.

And three years later, you just said it's screaming forward.

That's a fact.

I mean, that's not our opinion, right?

And here's what that does for churches, for Christians.

That means more people are working, so there's more people tithing and giving to the churches.

There's more money for missions.

There's more money for your building programs.

All of this is because Donald Trump said he was going to turn things around and make America great again.

He cut taxes, and that cutting taxes added fuel to this economic engine that we're enjoying right now.

He's not a politician.

I appreciate that about him.

He's a businessman, and that's what we've needed in our government, not politicians.

We need businessmen.

And he's done that.

Well, it's almost comedic because I know you've been vilified by people for standing up for Trump.

I have to a lesser extent because I've been less vocal and I'm not as known as you are.

But it's just a fascinating thing because people seem to devolve to a kind of moralistic Pharisaism and they say, how can you support somebody, blah, blah, blah.

And then they go on to cite how he's the least Christian, you know, they go on and on.

And I think

These people don't, they don't even have a biblical view when it comes to that, you know, that if somebody

doesn't hold to our theology,

that doesn't mean they can't be a great pilot or a great doctor or dentist.

I mean, it's a bizarre situation that we're in, that people seem only to have these standards for the president somehow.

I believe that Donald Trump believes.

He believes in God.

He believes in Jesus Christ.

His depth, he doesn't,

you know,

he went to churches here in New York.

Yeah.

He didn't get a whole lot of teaching.

He knows there's too much.

There's too much of a knock there.

He knows that.

Okay, we're going to go.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, some of that, you know, I agree with.

But as you brought up, that's not what we said during Clinton.

We said character really matters, right?

That's what Christian said, I think, during the Clinton years.

And

so

it was slightly different then.

Yeah.

And I think it's changed now.

And it seems like character doesn't matter now.

And I think, you know, like they do, I think he's done a really good job, way better than I thought he would.

Yeah.

I think part of it is, I don't know if it's just that we've kind of come to the conclusion that everybody pretty much sucks.

You know, you just don't expect a lot out of people anymore on this front.

And

to be frank about it, too, probably, I don't, you know, this wasn't necessarily the case

with us per per se and many in the audience, but there was a lot of that stuff you realize later on is

just a

talking point of the moment.

You know, I mean, like, there was a lot of talk about executive orders

around the Obama time, a lot less during the Bush time from conservatives.

The same thing happens now.

I mean, like, you know,

there are things to be, there's some stuff that Trump has done that I haven't liked, like the emergency declaration and such, that I think would have definitely been opposed during the Obama administration and now aren't.

And like, look, you look at the entire picture,

you still have to pick somebody off your list right when you're voting for someone you still have to select one of the candidates that's available and i think there's a very you know very logical argument that says look we've we see what the positives of trump are and what the negatives are and we've selected him because he's better than the other people and that's a totally rational way of sort of doing a cost-benefit analysis on the on the situation yeah especially now but there is this this temptation with trump i think uh is different than others for republicans at least because i think obama had some of this for democrats But there's this sort of idea that you can't

just say, like, well, I don't like this part.

Yeah, you can't.

You can't disagree with him on anything.

Yeah.

Because I don't want to be a cheerleader for anybody, frankly.

I don't care who it is.

It bothers me to be a cheerleader just in principle, just to be, I don't like agreeing with people enough.

I'm much more comfortable when everybody disagrees with me.

It's just like,

I don't know why.

It's just like, it's one of those things where

that's more comfortable, I think, for a lot of people, including myself.

But to be like

a 100%

cheerleader is, I think, a function

of

how unfair the media is to Trump so often.

And you get defensive because you're just like, wait a minute,

they're attacking him all the time.

I'm not even going to bring up the problem I have with him because, you know, I...

That happens all the time.

I think it does.

And I think it's a natural thing for people.

We defend him more because the left, they're so out of control with it.

They hate him so much to such an extent that there's nothing he could do.

There is absolutely nothing he could do that they would agree with or condone.

No.

I mean, to the point of, again, like Donald Trump

has

a trade policy I don't like.

And one of the reasons I don't like it is because it's been the Democrats' policy for 40 years.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

And

the media loved it.

They freaking loved that policy until Donald Trump kept saying it.

I think it was

the Babylon Bee had a great

article the other day.

The headline was,

in stunning development, Donald Trump comes out in favor of impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose it.

And it's like, that's kind of

where we are as a society.

And Metaxas and

Reverend Graham were talking about the left.

I think when they're this reaction to him is almost demonic, or in their words, maybe past almost

because they're so out of control with their hatred that they just oppose absolutely everything he does.

And I think that's, it's almost true.

If he came out in favor of impeachment, they'd be against it.

I keep thinking, I want him to go pro-choice right now.

That's what I want.

I want Trump to just come out

full-out pro-choice abortion.

Now, I don't want him to name any judges that believe that.

So, like, maybe he's making terrible mistakes with the judges.

They all happen to be pro-life.

But, just as an experiment,

let's give it a shot.

I want him on TV every day saying how we have to, what women need to be able to make their choices on this up to nine months.

In fact, after the pregnancy is over, I think he should, they should, and then all the Democrats will be like, This is this man's a horror show.

He wants to murder children.

This man wants to murder children.

That's where they'd be.

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Well,

Whitey continues to keep Colin Kaepernick out of the league.

Despicable.

I mean, here's a guy, maybe what?

Hall of Fame caliber quarterback who's still, still out of work after three years.

He even did a nice workout for him, and what do they do?

They don't call.

Well, he didn't actually show up to the workout that was scheduled.

Well, but he had a separate workout 51 miles away.

Well, he got all the teams to fly into a city and then did it in a different city.

In a high school.

Just an incredible.

And some of them, seven of them, I think.

I think seven of the scouts still

hop.

Now, they heard about this half an hour before it happened.

They still hop in their cars, drove all the way down to the high school, 51 miles, about an hour away, and watched him do the workout.

You know, it almost seems like Colin Kaepernick doesn't actually want to play football.

Doesn't it?

No, it's not.

When you have Stephen Smith saying that, Stephen A.

Smith, who's been a huge advocate of Kaepernick.

And even he turned on him and said, look, the guy doesn't want a job.

Obviously, he doesn't want a job.

He doesn't want a job in the NFL.

He doesn't want to play football.

No.

And that's fine, but stop acting like you do.

Yeah.

It's annoying.

It is.

But I guess it's part, it's hard to,

it's sort of an undercurrent of every story about him, and it's a way to stay in the media.

Like, for example, when you say, like, if Hillary Clinton comes out and every time she's asked about becoming president and running for president, she says, there is 0% chance I will ever run for president.

I don't want to do it.

I'm not going to do it.

No.

Instead, she says, well, you know, I guess I'd never say never, but, you know, look,

we have a good field of candidates, and I'm sure that's going to be.

She gives you that sort of brush off and leaves the possibility open.

Why?

So she can get on every show and they can all ask her again, and then she can sell more books or whatever.

I don't think she's actually, I mean, I think she would love to be president and love to run again, but I think she also realizes that the party despises her for losing to Trump.

Sure.

And she's borrowing some weird miracle in her behalf.

She's not going to be running.

But you keep the door open.

Same thing with Kaepernick.

He can talk about all of it.

No one cares about all of

his other crap.

They want to know if he's going to come back and play football, and that's the story.

So he constantly acts as if he does, despite the fact that he doesn't, and despite the fact that he shouldn't.

Obviously, he's too big of a distraction for any team that would come in there for the role that he would play, which is minimal.

I mean, maybe he'd be a third-stringer.

Maybe he'd be a backup on a bad team, but he's not a good quarterback.

I remind you.

He had one good, one decent year.

Yeah, right.

I mean, the Super Bowl year, you could say, was a pretty good year for him.

Largely because they ran an offense that people hadn't seen.

That offensive line is the highest-rated offensive line since they started measuring it.

Oh, wow.

That's how good that team was.

And the defense was incredible.

And then they tried to throw it the next year, and it was a disaster when they actually put any of the weight on him.

Two things that Colin Kaepernick's supporters never will answer for you, though.

Number one, if it was this is about kneeling and opposing the man, why did he lose his job to Blaine Gabbert before he started kneeling?

He lost his job to Blaine Gabbert before he started kneeling.

That might be the biggest indictment against him

in the history of indictments.

Come on, Blaine Gabbard.

And number two,

the guy who knelt with him on day one is Eric Reed, who I saw playing for the Carolina Panthers.

He still has a job.

All these other guys that supported him all have jobs.

It's just him, because A, he shows no desire to actually want to play, and B, didn't show much ability to play when he was playing.

Yes.

That's the problem.

Can we please tell Colin Kaepernick now to shut up?

You're listening to Glenn Beck.