Best of the Program | Guest: Steven Crowder | 11/25/19

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It is Pat and Stu, and for Blenn, this week, today we talked a little bit about Michael Bloomberg getting into the race.

50 billion.

Very exciting possibility.

Yeah, very exciting.

Well, to know that I know I'm considering voting for anyone else.

Right.

And I think everybody is.

And everyone is.

Everyone's on the same page, even Michael Bloomberg.

He's got $50 billion to spend, though, so it should be kind of interesting to see how this plays out.

We also go into the bizarre story over the weekend of the Navy Secretary stepping down

in a battle with Trump.

The media is

just absolutely convinced this is terrible for Donald Trump.

Shockingly enough, it's not.

We go into the details on that.

We have Steven Crowder on from Louder with Crowder, of course, also Blaze TV.

He's got a special on Jeffrey Epstein that airs tonight.

And you can use the promo code Epstein if you want to join and watch that or watch it on YouTube.

You can save 20 bucks with the promo code, though, so might as well give that a shot.

We also explain

the travesty of Colin Kaepernick not being in the league.

Why is he not in the NFL?

Yeah, I mean.

Well, it might be because he sucks.

That's a big part of it.

Yeah, that might be a part of it.

So we'll get into all of that and more with myself and Pat from Pat Gray Unleashed on today's podcast.

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Some great news to share.

Yeah, last week, yes, we lost Wayne Messum.

There was an end to Messomentum.

Messomentum or Messomania?

Well, both.

Both?

Both are gone.

I mean, he did receive $5 in donations last quarter.

No denying that.

Five individual dollars.

I mean, no denying it.

From one person, but five individual dollars.

But $5.

That'll get you somewhere in a race.

Imagine he would have unleashed that in this case.

I mean, he never, my understanding is he didn't spend it.

But if he had unleashed that into this primary, the whole thing would have been upside down.

It goes into chaos at that point.

But the grief that we all feel because Wayne Messum is not in the race any longer is mitigated somewhat by the announcement of Michael Bloomberg over the weekend.

So great that Michael Bloomberg is going to run for president.

I mean, here's just a few of the things that he's going to be bringing to the table.

Mike Bloomberg started as a middle-class kid who had to work his way through college.

He started built a business from a single room to a global entity, creating tens of thousands of good-paying jobs along the way.

He could have stopped there.

Could have.

But when New York suffered the terrible tragedy of 9-11, he took charge, becoming a three-term mayor who brought a city back from the ashes and brought back jobs and hope with it.

Creating tens of thousands of affordable housing units so families could have a decent place to live, raising teachers' salaries and kids' graduation rates, and creating a more open and livable city for the millions who call it home.

He could have stopped there, but when he witnessed the terrible toll of gun violence, he put his money where his heart is, helping to create a movement to take on the NRA and the politicians they aim to protect families across this country and help turn the tide.

And he's funded college educations for thousands of deserving, low-income, and middle-class kids.

Could he stop it?

He's done so much.

He'd probably stop.

Stop.

He sees a different kind of menace coming from Washington.

So there's no stopping.

Because there's a sterile waiting to be rebuilt.

Sure.

Where everyone without health insurance is guaranteed to get it, and everyone who likes theirs can go ahead and keep it.

Yeah, we've heard that.

Where the wealthy will pay more in taxes.

Oh, good.

Struggling middle class will get their fair share.

Let's get those.

Jobs that just allow you to get by will become jobs that let you get ahead.

Wow.

Mike Bloomberg for president, jobs creator, leader, problem solver.

It's going to take all three to build back a country.

It sure is.

So Make America Great Again is now rebuild America, which is essentially like the, I mean, it's the same

thing, right?

Same slogan.

That's a fascinating experience.

This is a fascinating experiment.

And

there's a million things to talk about on Mike Bloomberg, most of which are just topics on talk radio because he's not going to win the nomination.

But my favorite part of this is, can we finally put to rest the idea that you can buy an election?

That if you have so much money, you can put all your money in there and you can buy an election.

He's going to attempt it here.

The man has $50 billion.

He is the ninth richest person on earth.

Yeah.

He is going to dump so much money into this campaign.

Like starting with 30 million, right?

30 million right off the top.

They say it's the biggest spend in any week, in any campaign in American history, including the general election.

Oh, wow.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

And a meaningless, nowhere week around Thanksgiving.

And there's no way.

I mean,

the ego it must take to believe you can win this thing when everyone knows you don't have a shot.

There's no chance he wins.

His chances, it's got to be less than 1%.

There's no way people are clamoring for a Michael Bloomberg presidency.

I don't think most of the Bloomberg family is

clamoring for that.

No, I don't think they are.

And he's going to try essentially a variation of the Giuliani approach, which is skip all the early states.

Is he still going to do that?

Because I read an article where he was all in now.

Oh, he is?

That's what I heard.

Because he's not even on the ballot in New Hampshire, as far as I know.

I don't think he is.

I know he made

the Alabama ballot, and he can get on whatever ballot he wants.

But at least the reporting I heard this morning, again, confirmed that he was planning on skipping the first four states.

So he would come in on Super Tuesday.

Wow.

And that's why he's going to be able to spend so much money.

Bad strategy, though, because it'll be over by then.

It certainly was for Giuliani.

Remember when he waited in Florida for everybody to catch up to him?

Yeah.

And they'd already passed him by.

Bye-bye.

It did not work.

It did not work.

You know,

Rubio sort of did that

in the last primary as well.

He tried to compete in certain early states, but he went all in on Florida.

And again, that didn't work.

Doesn't seem to be one of those things that works all that well.

But think about this, Pat.

Here's a guy who is.

$50 billion

of wealth, and he says he might spend up to a billion dollars on this campaign.

A billion.

Wow.

And this is an experiment that's never been tried, really.

I mean, Ross Perot is the most obvious example.

He comes in with his own money.

He has a lot to spend, but he didn't spend anywhere close.

I mean, I think he might have spent $60 or $70 million the entire campaign.

And he was running for a general and had to get on ballots as an independent.

Trump ran last time, kind of talked about self-funding, but never, I mean, he spent, he probably, he spent about $50 million of his own money on the campaign, which is a hell of a lot of money.

but that's not a self-funding thing.

I mean, he was still doing, getting a lot of donations and got tons of help money-wise from the RNC and all these other sources.

There was one attempt back in, I think it was 1980,

where the Libertarian candidate, they put a,

they put one of the Koch brothers was the vice presidential candidate, so they could spend whatever they wanted, and it was a Koch brother at the number two slot.

And, you know, it helped.

I mean, they had, I think, their highest vote total of the entire party's history, with the exception of, you know, 2016,

was the one that beat it with Gary Johnson.

But still, like, it's an interesting thought in that all of these problems that you have as a candidate when you go out and you're trying to go raise money and you're trying to, you know, kiss butt to everybody.

I mean, they're saying Bloomberg's not even going to be out doing speeches.

He's just running ads.

He's like running a campaign like a fantasy team.

You know, he's just,

he's not going out and he's not training.

He's not running sprints.

He's not learning plays.

He's just the fantasy team GM, and he's kind of running ads.

He can spend them.

And, you know, it's a well-done ad if

any of that stuff appeals to you.

I don't know that any of it does appeal to

the Democratic Party today.

Taking a match, the U.S.

Constitution doesn't appeal to you.

Like,

just burn up the U.S.

should appeal, though, to the Democratic Party.

He should just say he's doing that.

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without getting some sort of political nonsense smacked in our face.

And

I'm really tired of it.

Whether it's the NFL and the kneeling thing and the Colin Kaepernick thing, even into college football now at the Harvard-Yale game over the weekend, this is one of the big rivalries.

I think it's the oldest continual rivalry, at least one of them.

It's been going on for 136 years.

So they're in the middle of this rivalry.

They're about to come out for halftime.

And onto the field rush a whole bunch of protesters.

Here's a look at what happened if you're watching on Blaze TV.

Essentially,

running into the center of the field.

And then they do a sit-in

over climate change.

Now, I don't know, hundreds, maybe a few thousand people ended up out there.

And they stayed on the field for an hour.

An hour.

And then finally, some of them, most of them walked off, but 42 of them were left.

And police had to arrest them.

And

I mean, you can't go to a Yale-Harvard game without it being interrupted.

And now Yale Bowl doesn't have any lights, so they're playing in virtual darkness by the end of the game because it was delayed an hour by these idiots over climate change.

Take your thing elsewhere.

Would you please?

And it sort of shows how dumb climate protesters are because no one cares if the Harvard-Yale game happens or not.

Okay, I got headings for you.

You want to go to an Alabama game, go to LSU game, people are going to get really pissed about it.

Here, they're like, eh, I mean, this is a good excuse to just go home.

Right.

We don't have to stay.

Right.

It's cold.

Yeah.

You know, let's just get out of here.

Because it's a nice tradition.

I used to live in Connecticut, obviously, so did you.

And, you know, the Yale Bowl is like, it's a very well-known thing.

And it's like the Harvard-Yale game's a big deal.

It wasn't.

At one time, it was a traditional sense.

In 1872, it was a really big game.

It was huge.

If they disrupted that game in 1872, I'd be pissed.

People would be pissed.

Yeah.

Because that's for the national championship, probably.

Probably.

Because there's only two colleges.

Okay.

Here.

Them and Rutgers.

There were about three.

Yeah, three.

Now, no one cares.

I mean, you know, like the Ivy League football thing is just not a big enough deal for anyone to care.

That's true.

That is a typical,

horrible move by climate protesters.

And it's like climate protesters are strange.

It's somewhat unique in the way that they protest things and they try to stop people from enjoying life.

And do you think you're going to win people to your cause when you're doing that?

That's what I mean.

It's so

like, you know, they'll go and they'll like block a street so people can't get to work.

And you're like,

that's so irritating.

Or they'll be like, hey, you know what?

We need to ban big screen televisions.

And you're like, big screen?

Of all the things?

Like, go yell at

the coal plant with the smokestacks.

Like, people might be on your side there.

They also want to watch The Mandalorian on their big screen TV.

Right.

Don't target big screen TVs.

It's a terrible idea.

Dumb move.

Dumb move, right?

Or they'll just block, like, oh, I have to go pick up my daughter at school, school, but I can't because of climate protesters.

I mean, that is not a good way to go.

You're not winning friends and influencing people, no question.

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Now, Stephen joins us now, and I'm interested in the decision-making process that led here, which is Here we are, Stephen, going into a weekend.

You're going to be around your family, Thanksgiving table, everyone getting together, warm, warm thoughts and memories.

And you've picked today for a special entitled, Epstein Didn't Kill Himself.

It's the perfect time.

It's the perfect time of year for that.

Well, thank you for having me.

I mean, keep in mind that I did

three years ago, my very first Christmas special was live waterboarding.

Right.

Nice.

Okay.

All right.

No, today is, for people who don't know, it's actually really more on par with sort of an evil knievel Robbie, Knievel stunt, complete with Patriot attire and a jumpsuit.

I will be, we have created an exact to scale replica of Jeffrey Epstein's cell.

So this will be tonight at 8 p.m.

Eastern.

People can watch in the Blaze or youTube.com slash Steven Crowder.

And we have Newton scales, both at the point of compression around the neck and on the actual hanging device itself.

And I am going to attempt to kill myself the way Jeffrey Epstein did.

Now that being said, I will have a neck brace, but I am so confident that some of the numbers we have been given by the the media, for example, the hyoid bone, they say, well, it's easy.

It would only take 30 minutes, 30 newtons, sorry, to break it.

I will do that with no neck protection.

You will watch me live on air attempt to break my hyoid with the amount of force they recommended, and then as well as trying to get to the 1,200 pounds of force number, which is what they use to administer death by hanging, which still only results in one in 20 examples of the kind of fractures we sell with Epstein.

So a lot of research has gone into this.

We've had an engineer on staff.

And yeah, right before Thanksgiving, I'm going to try and hang myself in an accurate-to-scale replica cell of Jeffrey Epstein for the whole family.

Now,

unlike the actual

incident with Epstein, will your cameras work?

Will we be able to

see this happen?

I appreciate your concern, and it's a legitimate question.

We do have several security guards on Clinton Watch as well.

Good entrances and exits.

Because the last thing I want is to be conducting a scientific experiment, and Rodham comes back and hits me in the back of the head with a mallet like Gallagher.

So we're going to make sure that it's a controlled experiment.

We have multiple cameras.

So hopefully nothing will glitch out.

If it does

and

I cease to be, I begin assuming room temperature, I do allow everyone permission to suspect foul play.

Wow.

So is there now how do you feel, Stephen, if something terrible does happen tonight?

How do you feel about us exploiting it for ratings?

I would be disappointed if you didn't, frankly.

I mean, come on, I am hanging myself

for, I mean, really, this is to show the viewer.

This is, here's the thing.

I don't know.

I really don't know.

And I did a lot of training, a lot of next-specific training on a diet of nothing but oyster crackers and mushrooms.

So I've been taking this diligently, you know, I've been treating it diligently for the last few months.

This is to show me a buddy and a fit.

Listen, maybe it's possible, maybe it's not.

But

anyone who's been skeptical has been labeled a conspiracy theorist.

We're borderline not allowed on YouTube.

I am so confident that the story we have been given is false that I will be performing half of these stucks without any protection.

Then I will put on protection when I get to what the actual numbers are required to actually hang yourself.

Listen, no one is saying that Jeffrey Epstein couldn't have strangled himself.

What we are saying is this idea that he fractured three bones.

We have calculated the force that is required.

in the exact cell because keep in mind he nailed himself to breaking three bones in his neck right yeah the reports he didn't jump from the top of the bed.

And also, when it's an eight by eight cell, keep in mind too that the torque on that cord, right?

There's sheer force and torque, depending on the angle, it's not like he could drop down that far.

Because if his feet were completely up against the bed and he's pushing against the bed, he still can't go beyond a gap of about four and a half, five feet between the bed and the bars, which would support his weight because his face would go straight into the bars.

So the moment we've been building this set out and conducting some pre-experiments, I don't want to say that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, but I'm more convinced than ever that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

It's really interesting because

I think we're in the same place on this, Stephen, in that like I keep looking at this story and thinking, when I think logically, common sense-wise, over and over again, I keep coming back to the fact that Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself.

But on the other hand, it's like, well, there's not really evidence like the

of

any, there's nothing concrete.

Now, you may create some concrete evidence here tonight, but I mean, like, the medical examiner is saying that this is possible.

This is what happened.

There are explanations, you know, like maybe

the guards may not have been checking any night.

They may just be completely lazy guards that realized they could sleep through that shift whenever they felt like it, and nothing was going to happen.

There are other competing explanations.

I'm sorry, but like you're a logical guy and I'm a logical guy.

The most notorious pedophile in the world with the most,

you know, the most in-depth, intimate relationships with some of the most powerful people.

i find it hard to believe that nobody was checking and by the way we will also have a live timer uh with even brendan my youngest producer here he will be uh forced to create the rope of bed sheets without any sharp utilities or even edges so he will be locked in a room and we will time how long it takes to tie a rope of bed sheets that could adequately hang someone because keep in mind he did that so it's not like the camera switched out for a few seconds My guess is it'll take between 10 minutes to half an hour.

If it takes five minutes, unless the cameras were off the entire entire time, I mean, you're going to notice a guy.

He didn't even have a Swiss Army knife.

They've basically nerfed his whole room and he ties together a rope from bed sheets.

And keep in mind, the experiment that we're conducting, right?

We conducted some pre-experiments here using cables, so bungee cords.

That's a much more direct force on the neck and the trachea and the hyoid.

And I understand what you're saying.

When medical examiners have said it's possible, but that's what we're trying to do.

Naming this in a real-world scenario.

For example, the hyoid bone is something people focus on.

Well, it couldn't be less relevant because the hyoid bone is the easiest bone to break of the three fractures that Jeffrey Epstein sustained.

So they say, Wow, the hyoid only takes 30 pounds of force, or sorry, 30 newtons.

Well, that's in a vice grip, where they take someone, you know, someone's hyoid bone, someone who's dead, you know, they take it off the cadaver, they crush it in a vice grip.

I was able to host the show with the amount of force they claim would crush the hyoid bone.

I actually did it, and I'll do that tonight to show that the arguments we've heard from medical examiners on the side of it's very easy to kill yourself, that's not true.

Now, it doesn't mean that it's not possible, but if I will be live on air talking to you, and this is again at 8 p.m.

Eastern, available on the Blaze and on YouTube, I will be talking to you throughout the entire experiment.

So you can hear the amount of force on my neck.

You will leave, I believe,

having a lot to think about.

And, you know, hopefully, I would leave on a stretcher.

But it is,

you know,

it's required a lot of training and a lot of forethought and a lot of, you know, a lot of tassels for my jumpsuit.

We have fire extinguishers on hand.

I will be wearing proper safety gear for my head.

Is there a possibility you could burst into flame?

There is a possibility.

There is absolutely a possibility.

Keep in mind, I am an untrained professional, so no one should be attempting this at home at all.

But we did have some engineers here really kind of crunch the numbers for us.

And I'm amazed that nobody else has.

And there are a couple of stories to me.

that really don't add up.

It's this, it's the Epstein story, because if you read what we've read in the New York Times and the Washington Post, right, they just kind of want to dismiss it.

You go, wait a second, that doesn't add up.

And then the other story is the Vegas shooter, just that no one knows anything

about that for a second.

What have we heard?

Those two years.

These stories are the ones that stick in my craw.

Yeah, that one's really, really weird as well.

Another addition to this, which I find fascinating, Steven, is this

Amy Roebuck story, which happened with

James O'Keefe, where they released this video.

And, you know, she comes out and she says, we had this story for three years and all these network, you know, or NBC sat on it.

And then they fired this poor woman from CBS who didn't even do anything wrong.

I mean, like, that whole story was so ridiculous.

You know, the media has ignored it completely.

Conservatives have picked up that part of the story.

But one of the things I'm fascinated by is that Amy Roebach, a story,

a decorated journalist in the mainstream who covered the story for multiple years, also says on this tape that she is 100% convinced that Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself.

And that is on the tape, and I have not heard anyone investigate that.

You know, you say that people, you know, they're conspiracy theorists, if they believe this.

I mean, is Amy Roebach a conspiracy theorist?

This is like, this feels, I think, to the American people, not like a crazy conspiracy theory, but like something that actually happened and is being hidden from us.

No, I think you're absolutely right.

Here are some things that are that are undeniable that are not conspiracy theories.

Jeffrey Epstein ran a pedophile ring with some of the most powerful people in the world.

He had an island dedicated to pedophilia.

He had a ranch as well where he had, you know, giant, people can look up these pictures of giant orgy showers and rooms with pillows and crucifixes and life-size crucifixes and no beds, by the way, just pillows and showers.

That's absolutely true.

He obviously was put on suicide watch at one point for some reason was removed from it.

He hung himself by kneeling in a cell with a rope from bed sheets that he tied himself with no tools that no guards noticed.

And he sustained the kind of injuries that only occur one in 20 from dead hang pull-ups.

Meaning, when people are doing, you know, a Brooks and Shawshank, hanging themselves from the beam and kicking the stool out, that only results one in 20 of those kinds that

result in these free fractures.

There is no conspiracy about that, and that's what we're going to be testing tonight.

Those are facts.

Doesn't mean that it's not possible, but this idea that it is the most plausible scenario, or that if someone says, you know what, I don't think that's the most plausible scenario, considering that

the Clintons have a higher kill count than a clan in call of duty

that's what this is about this is for the people who've all been dismissed it's so you can visually watch what it is that you suspect and you can watch it beyond any shadow of a doubt keep in mind again i am an untrained professional so um there always is the risk that i either spontaneously combust you know or have to speak through one of those uh you know those commercials for for esophagal cancer where i'll be hosting a show like this after i have no idea

it could happen it could happen it's this is interesting because i mean i I'm sure this is going to be really funny as well.

And I expected it to be funny.

But I feel like we're watching a legit Mythbusters episode here.

Does feel like it, doesn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's also interesting that you brought up that he didn't jump from the top cell, the top bunk bed, which would have made sense if you're really trying to hang yourself because that kind of force you would understand.

All right, yeah, that snapped his neck in three places.

Much more likely than just kneeling down and doing it.

You know, the thing is, the reason that no one is reporting that he jumped off the top bunk.

And when you look at the cell, you'll see why it would likely be impossible because there would be no way to tie the rope so tight that you would generate tension without your body's natural defense mechanisms.

Your body doesn't want to die, right?

So there would be no way to tie a rope where his feet couldn't be on the bottom bunk or his feet couldn't touch the floor.

And that's when we've also, this is something else that no one takes into account, right?

It's very easy to strangle yourself, okay?

But that's not what they're arguing.

They're arguing that three bones were broken.

So we've been running some pre-tests and I've completely slunk down to the ground, you know, where I'm not generating any force.

That's not even close to what's needed to snap the neck.

But people don't realize it takes only three seconds, approximately, to be choked unconscious, right?

In those three seconds, that's your window to generate enough force to break your neck primarily because you would have to be creating leverage, pushing against the bed, snapping it.

Because once you go unconscious, there's no chance that you're going to create enough force to fracture those three bones.

So, we also need to see if we can generate enough force before the amount of time it would take to pass out.

The fact that it's so easy to strangulate yourself actually

is back to deck against the idea that Jeffrey Epstein fractured his neck because he would have had to be conscious to throw himself to create the kind of force, torque, Newton necessary to kill himself.

And that's why the more we've been building the set out, you know, what you're talking about here, we sent down to Lawrence.

What if he jumped from the top bunk?

And we conduct some research.

Well, he didn't jump from the top bunk, but let's see if we can.

There's no way to really jump from the top bunk and create a rope that would function.

Well, hold on a second.

What if he passed out and then was just slumped down, you know, his leg got caught, let's say, on the bed, so all of the energy went on his neck.

It was nowhere close to the force necessary.

So we haven't tested everything yet, but we've done a lot of pre-runs here.

And the more that we've researched it, the more that we've recreated this set, the more convinced I am that we haven't gotten the full story.

And listen, people can watch for themselves at 8 p.m.

Eastern tonight.

It's the first time they'll be able to see in action what the cell looks like, what the kind of force was that could be generated.

and um we're not making we're not going to conclusions yet so i'm as curious as you guys are um mainly to see that if i'll i'll even be able to haul this kind of a conversation

is there a uh a promo code associated with your potential death tonight stephen

there is

it is just epstein so once the stream goes live at 8 p.m eastern i believe uh through black friday actually the promo code epstein will give people twenty dollars off mug club joining the blaze tv uh so they can go to lotoscutter.com slash mug club and you get the full hand-exha smug and of of course, access to the whole Blade TV catalog.

You become a member for $20 off

if you enter in the promo code Epstein.

And, of course, all the proceeds go directly to conducting these kinds of experiments in the future and this kind of content, which is wildly unprofessional, incredibly entertaining, but hopefully, somewhat useful.

All right, Steven Crowder, LouderwithCrowder.com.

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Somebody we haven't heard from much in the last three years, Rick Perry.

And we're only hearing about him now, I think, because he's on his way out as Secretary of Energy.

But he's apparently changed his mind ever so slightly from the campaign in 2016.

I mean, just a little bit.

A little nuanced.

Yeah.

It's tough to tell.

I don't know if you can detect it.

It is, I know, you know, because

I believe he referred to Donald Trump as a cancer during the campaign, but now he's the chosen one who is sent by God to lead us.

We have the

God's used imperfect people all through history.

King David wasn't perfect.

Saul wasn't perfect.

Solomon wasn't perfect.

And I actually gave the president a little one-pager on those Old Testament kings about a month ago.

And I shared it with him.

I said, Mr.

President, I know there are people that say, you know, you said you were the chosen one.

And

I said,

you were.

I said, if you're a believing Christian, you understand God's plan for the people who

rule and

judge over us on this planet in our government.

So it's nuanced, you know, like you, like you said, Stu, it's tough to

find the difference there between campaign 2016 and today.

But look, it is slightly different.

Yeah, it's different.

I mean, and look, and some of that is

there's a lot of people who did not like Donald Trump in the campaign and like him more now.

I've said a million times, he's exceeded my expectations.

Oh, yeah, mine too.

However,

to go from

cancer to the chosen one of God is significant.

It's a significant change, is the way it works.

It's a significant change.

People are beating beating him up on this, and it's hard to tell exactly what he's trying to do there.

I mean, obviously, like, the sort of

obvious take is like, you know,

you want to get Trump on your side.

You say really positive things about him.

And, like, he's just taking that to the 9 millionth degree.

I mean, you could also make the argument, look, look, you know, it's God's will, and Trump is in that position because it's God's will, and that's all he was saying.

I don't know.

I mean, it is, there is, there is this weird thing, I think, particularly with people talking about religion around these these issues, it puts them in weird positions, I think, a lot.

You know, like there is a there's a

there was a big thing about how character was ultimately the most important thing when Bill Clinton was running.

And obviously the Republicans have sort of long abandoned that.

And now Democrats claim that they care about character, which is just laughable.

I mean,

how you even with a straight face say these things?

But really both sides have sort of switched on that point.

I mean, during the Clinton impeachment, I mean, yes, there was a lot of conversation about

the legal part of this, but always bigger than that was the idea that conservatives care about who you are as a man, who you are as a person.

Yeah, it matters.

Character matters.

We said that a million times, especially during Clinton.

But like you said, it's changed, and there's pretty good indication of that.

From Eric McTaxis, was

interviewing Franklin Graham

kind of about that very thing.

Awesome.

Well, you have not shrunk from

talking politics, and a lot of people have what I consider a profoundly unbiblical notion

that if you love Jesus, you're not supposed to talk politics or be political.

I don't find that only wrong, but tremendously harmful.

And so you've been a hero to many because you've been willing to speak about politics.

And so what do you think of what is happening now?

I mean, it's a very bizarre situation to be living in a country where some people seem to exist

to undermine the President of the United States.

It's just a bizarre time for most Americans.

I believe it's almost a demonic power that is to I would disagree.

It's not almost demonic.

No, it's.

I mean, you know, and I know that at the heart it's a spiritual battle.

It's a spiritual battle.

And if you look at what the President has done, just for our country, regardless of whether you are Republican or Democrat,

the unemployment is at the lowest in 70 years.

More African Americans are working, more Latinos are working, more Asians are working, more everybody is working.

We have an economy that is just screaming forward.

It's incredible.

Can you even imagine we're saying this?

Because literally three years ago, our economy was dead

in the water.

Dead in the water.

We all know it.

And three years later, you just said it's screaming forward.

That's a fact.

I mean, that's not our opinion, right?

And here's what that does for churches, for Christians.

That means more people are working, so there's more people tithing and giving to the churches.

There's more money for missions.

There's more money for your building programs.

All of this is because Donald Trump said he was going to turn things around and make America great again.

He cut taxes, and that cutting taxes added fuel to this economic engine that we're enjoying right now.

He's not a politician.

I appreciate that about him.

He's a businessman, and that's what we've needed in our government, not politicians.

We need businessmen.

And he's done that.

Well, it's almost comedic because I know you've been vilified by people for standing up for Trump.

I have to a lesser extent because I've been less vocal, and I'm not as known as you are.

But it's just a fascinating thing because people seem to devolve to a kind of moralistic Phariseeism, and they say, How can you support somebody, blah, blah, blah.

And then they go on to cite how he's the least Christian, you know, they go on and on.

And I think

these people don't, they don't even have a biblical view when it comes to that.

You know, that if somebody

doesn't hold to our theology, that doesn't doesn't mean they can't be a great pilot or a great doctor or dentist.

I mean, it's a bizarre situation that we're in, that people seem only to have these standards for the president somehow.

I believe that Donald Trump believes.

He believes in God.

He believes in Jesus Christ.

His depth, he doesn't,

you know,

he went to churches here in New York.

Yeah.

He didn't get a whole lot of teaching.

He knows there's too much.

He's not there.

He knows that.

Okay, we're going to go.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, some of that

I agree with.

But as you brought up,

that's not what we said during Clinton.

We said character really matters, right?

That's what Christian said, I think, during the Clinton years.

And

so it was slightly different then.

Yeah.

And I think it's changed now, and it seems like character doesn't matter now.

And I think, you know, like they do, I think he's done a really good job way better than I thought he would.

Yeah, I think part of it is, I don't know if it's just that we've kind of come to the conclusion that everybody pretty much sucks, you know, and you just don't expect a lot out of people anymore on this front.

And, you know, to be frank about it, too, probably,

you know, this wasn't necessarily the case

with us per se and many in the audience, but there was a lot of that stuff you realize later on is

just a

talking point of the moment.

You know, I mean, like, there was a lot of talk about executive orders

around the Obama time, a lot less during the Bush time from conservatives.

The same thing happens now.

I mean, like, you know, we've, you know, there are things to be, there's some stuff that Trump has done that I haven't liked, like the emergency declaration and such, that I think would have definitely been opposed during the Obama administration and now aren't.

And like, look, you look at the entire picture, you still have to, you still have to pick

somebody off your list, right?

When you're voting for someone, you still have to select one of the candidates that's available.

And I think there's a very, you know, very logical argument that says, look, we see what the positives of Trump are and what the negatives are, and we've selected him because he's better than the other people.

And that's a totally rational way of sort of doing a cost-benefit analysis on the situation.

Yeah, especially now.

But there is this temptation with Trump, I think,

is different than others for Republicans, at least.

Because I think Obama had some of this for Democrats.

But there's this sort of idea that you

can't just say, like, well, I don't like this part.

Yeah, you can't.

You can't disagree with him on anything.

Yeah.

Because I don't want to be a cheerleader for anybody, frankly.

Like, I don't, I don't care who it is.

You know, it bothers me to be a cheerleader just in principle, just to be, I don't like agreeing with people enough.

I'm much more comfortable when everybody disagrees with me.

You know, it's just like it's, I don't know why.

It's just like, it's one of those things where that's that's that's more comfortable, I think, for a lot of people, including myself.

But to be like

a 100%

cheerleader is,

I think, a function

of how unfair the media is to Trump so often.

And you get defensive because you're just like, wait a minute,

they're attacking him all the time.

I'm not even going to bring up the problem I have with him because, you know, I...

That happens all the time.

I think it does.

And I think it's a natural thing for people.

We defend him more because the left, they're so out of control with it.

They hate him so much to such an extent that there's nothing he could do.

There is absolutely nothing he could do that they would agree with or condone.

No.

I mean, to the point of, again, like, Donald Trump

has

a trade policy I don't like.

And one of the reasons I don't like it is it's because it's been the Democrats' policy for 40 years.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

And

the, the, the media loved it.

They freaking loved that policy until Donald Trump kept saying it.

I think it was the, uh, the Babylon, the Babylon Bee Bee had a great

article the other day.

The headline was,

in stunning development, Donald Trump comes out in favor of impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose it.

It's like, that's kind of

where we are as a society.

And Metaxas and

Reverend Graham were talking about

the left, I think, when this reaction to him is almost demonic, or in their words, maybe past almost,

because they're so out of control with their hatred that uh they just oppose absolutely everything he does and i think i think that's it's almost true if he came out in favor of impeachment they'd be against it i keep think i want him to go pro-choice right now and that's what i want i want trump to just come out full out interesting full-out

pro-choice abortion now i don't want him to name any judges that believe that right so like maybe he's making terrible mistakes with the judges they all happen to be pro-life but just as an experiment

let's give it a shot i want him on tv every day saying how we have to, women need to be able to make their choices on this up to nine months.

In fact, after the pregnancy is over, I think he should.

And then all the Democrats would be like, this man's a horror show.

He wants to murder children.

This man wants to murder children.

That's where they'd be.

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