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So last night's Democrat debate, pretty agonizing, as was the night before.

You said on the pre-show, Stu, that you

disliked this group even more than the first night's group.

Yeah, I really did.

Watching it, I had to watch both of the entire debates because it's part of our stupid job.

Yeah.

And it's hard, though.

It is really hard.

Every minute I want to stop.

Every single minute.

It's like, you know, it's like if you, now I know this would not necessarily relate to you, but I think it may relate to a couple people in the audience, which is when you had a lot to drink

and you go, you're back up near the bar, and someone's like, Hey, how about shots for everyone?

And you have that moment of like your body is screaming at you, don't do it.

Please don't do it.

Not another one, but you're like,

I kind of have to.

I'm here.

All the people are around me.

There's that weird feeling like you just kind of, you don't want to be the one who's, who's, uh, you know, who's bailing on the party.

And then you do it and you vomit

profusely all night.

What you're about to hear is a program where we're vomiting profusely all night.

That is the entire thing.

Because last, you're right.

Every other person that begins speaking, I think to myself, don't do it.

Don't stay here.

Don't take another shot.

And then I do.

And it's painful.

Night one, I thought, was

at least interesting in the idea that you had people who were saying,

I have a moderate view or a more moderate view than the crazy socialists.

And then they were debating things I thought at least of substance.

Where last night it was just everyone picking on Joe Biden.

I mean,

Kirsten Gillibrand was shameless.

You know, she has developed an immunity to shame.

And I don't know how you do that.

That's tough to do.

But she has developed.

She's super unlikable, too.

Super unlikable.

And she went to this ridiculous attack about some op-ed Joe Biden wrote in 1879

about

trying to protect families.

And you can just

have that.

Because

we do have that.

You can hear her trying.

Look,

I just want to know what he meant by that.

It really is that you didn't, you just magically were offended by a 40-year-old op-ed today.

That's what happened.

And you're just curious.

You could have asked him probably a thousand times when you've been talking to him in private over the past years if this was really offending you.

But instead, you're bringing it up on the debate stage.

It's just transparent.

Let's play that.

Jilla Brand and Biden talking about women who work.

Cut 18.

I just need to understand, as a woman who's worked my entire career as the primary wage earner, as the primary caregiver.

In fact,

my second son, Henry, is here.

And I had him when I was a member of Congress.

So under Vice President Biden's analysis, Am I serving in Congress resulting in the deterioration of the family because I had access to quality, affordable data?

I just want to know what he meant when he said that.

That was a long time ago, and here's what it was about.

It would have given people making today $100,000 a year a tax break for child care.

I did not want that.

I wanted the child care to go to people making less than $100,000.

So he's answered that.

And that's what it was about.

As a single father, who in fact raised three children for five years by myself, I have some idea what it costs.

I support making sure that every single solitary person needing child care gets an $8,000 tax credit.

Not good enough, though.

That would put 700,000 women back to work, increase the GDP by almost eight-tenths of 1%.

It's the right thing to do if we can give tax breaks to corporations for these things.

Why can't we do it this way?

Mr.

Vice President, you didn't answer my question.

What did you mean?

What did you mean?

When a woman works outside the home, it's resulting in, quote, the deterioration of family.

And that we are avoiding

votes.

It was the title of the op-ed.

She repeats this to get the viral moment because she needs to have an extra American women are working

four out of ten moms have to work they are the primary or sole wage earners they actually have to put photo food on the table eight out of ten moms are working today most women we get the point so yeah stop her say you know look and you know what the deal is it may have been it may have even been at the time because 40 years ago people believed that one of the parents should be home to raise the kids people just believe that i know it's ancient ancient thinking and so so so wrongheaded that children should be raised by parents.

They should be raised by TV.

We know that now.

Or video games or a daycare center.

If you're Kirsten Gillibrand, you think that's just as good as either one of the parents being home.

Are you saying someone who's raising the kid by an iPad is a bad parent?

No, I'm saying that's the way to go now.

Oh, okay, because you said video games and you said television.

You did not mention tablets.

I was concerned.

I'm sorry.

That was an egregious oversight.

What did you mean by that?

I would like like to know, as a parent who is raising their kid via iPad, I would like to know what you meant by that.

Can we all admit that it is the optimal situation, if you can, for one of the parents to be home and raise your kids?

It's a great option to have.

It's not always available to everybody.

But we all know that the ideal situation is if one of the parents can be home, then be home and raise the kids.

Right.

But like what's really bad, and again, Jilla Brand is terrible.

She's trying to do what Kamala Harris did last time, right?

She's trying to have this big viral moment.

And here's the thing.

You're talking.

Faky outrage.

Like your concept is, well, it's really hard to raise a kid as a single parent.

You're talking to a guy who tragically lost his wife in a car crash.

Yeah.

Right?

Like this is the one guy who really does have experience in this world.

As he said, he was a single dad for a while.

Yes.

I mean, you know,

it is.

It's one of those things where she's just not good at this.

She's pathetic.

And she just needs to just drop out and go away.

I don't think she has any chance of making the next debate.

She did not perform well at all last night.

And

at some level, the average person would say, I'm embarrassing myself in front of the nation and I need to stop doing it.

Well, that would require having some shame.

Some shame.

And she's immune to it.

Yeah, they don't.

All right.

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We remembered that there was a little something extra at the end of this clip.

So we need to finish the Gillibrand Biden exchange here.

Because

Joe kind of, I mean, he does a a good job he does a good job here okay yeah watch this most women have to work to provide for their kids many women want to be working to provide for their community to help people let's say either you don't believe it today or what did you mean when you said it though very beginning my deceased wife worked but we had children my present wife has worked all the way through raising our children The fact of the matter is the situation is one that I don't know what's happened.

I wrote the Violence Against Women Act.

Lily led better.

I was deeply involved in making sure there are the equal pay amendments.

I was deeply involved in all these things.

I came up with the it's on us proposal to see to it that women were treated more decently on college campuses.

You came to Syracuse University with me and said it was wonderful.

I'm passionate about the concern making sure women are treated equally.

I don't know what's happened except that you're now running for president.

So I see

Mr.

Vice President.

It's kind of a burnout.

I respect you deeply.

I respect you deeply.

Yeah, we just don't need a response.

She does it again, by the way.

She does it again.

But those words, and I would like to know what you meant by those words that I'm trying to get a viral video at to raise more money.

Why aren't you responding directly?

Because I need these to be together so there's not an edit, and then I can send it out to donors.

That is like, is legitimately what she's doing.

I mean, she just gets destroyed in that exchange.

And, you know, it is so true.

She is transparently awful when it comes to consistency.

She really did run as a congressperson, as a, you know, like a John Delaney, right?

She was like a conservative Democrat.

Yeah.

On immigration and I think even abortion and several other issues, she was much more conservative than she is now.

And she's, as soon as she ran for statewide office, she completely changed into a hardcore leftist.

And as Biden points out, and it's interesting because he's got this sort of information on every one of these people.

Every one of these candidates he has had backroom conversations with because they were all begging him for attention and position and to heighten their profile because Biden obviously was in the White House for eight years under a president, by the way, that has something like a 95% approval rating among Democrats.

So this is not a

situation where Biden is unfamiliar with these characters.

They're all just

shameless.

I couldn't believe the things they were saying about this guy.

And again, I don't like Joe Biden.

And not just him.

Yeah, not just him.

Obama.

Yeah.

They're going after Obama and his record.

It's like, okay, so have you guys,

has Obama been taken off the throne of God himself?

Because at one point, that's almost who they believed he was.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I would love to see, I'd love to hear from today a Democratic, a normal Democratic voter, or if you happen to be married to a normal Democratic voter or have one in your household that was watching the debate with you.

because I wonder if the average Democratic voter felt the same way that I did.

And I don't like Joe Biden.

I think he would be a horrific president.

Right.

And

I don't think he would be not only a good president, but he's not honest.

There's a lot of problems I have with the guy.

But it was so over the top.

The attacks were so ridiculous against him that I almost felt bad for him.

I was like, this is just like, they're just piling on him with these fake attacks.

And these are people that he's had relationships with that he's helped over this time and it felt so over the top and ridiculous i wonder if this the average democratic voter was like the same thing this is ridiculous i mean they they're not even trying to hide that this is blatantly political i mean they were not these were not valid attacks and then they're you know i don't even know what corey booker was doing i know his eyes were wide open he was seeing everyone in the crowd that i know because that is something he signals every time he speaks.

And I think you you get the impression by watching Booker that everything he says, he's practiced in front of a mirror for 20 minutes beforehand.

And he's very, his eyes light up because he's seeing himself.

He really likes seeing himself.

He likes his reflection.

He loves his face.

He loves that he's on camera all the time.

And he just comes off as so prepared and fake.

And every one of these debates afterwards, the same things happen.

And I don't know if I'm just completely out of touch, but he's constantly praised for his performance.

And I sit back and I'm just like, what were they watching?

What program were they watching?

Corey Booker is so

false.

He's trying too hard all the time.

And at the end of the day, I don't know how that connects to people, but I guess it does for some, at least in the media.

The media is constant praise for Corey Booker.

Constant.

They think he's the greatest guy in the world.

Every single one of these things, they say he does a great job on.

I thought he was terrible last night.

Terrible.

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So we're talking about Corey Booker and his awful performance.

What was his Kool-Aid thing all about?

Here's a little exchange between Joe Biden and Corey Booker.

For the entire eight years he was mayor, there was nothing done to deal with the police department that was corrupt.

Why did you announce in the first day a zero tolerance policy of stop and frisk and hire Rudy Giuliani's guy in 2007 when I was trying to get rid of the crack cocaine?

Mr.

Vice President, there's a saying in my community, you're dipping into the Kool-Aid and you don't even know the flavor.

go to the city of New York and see the reforms that we put in place.

The New Jersey head of the ACLU has said that I embraced reforms not just in action, but in deed.

Sir, you are trying to shift the view from what you created.

I mean, I get cringe chills

watching him try to pull that line off.

Into the Kool-Aid when you don't even know the flavor.

Oh, wow.

Now, I am not the most cultured man in America, Pat.

So, you're dipping into the Kool-Aid,

but you're unaware of the flavor.

First of all, flavor is always labeled on the outside of the container.

Well, it's very easy to.

If you're dipping into it, it's obviously in a bowl of some kind, and you can see what flavor it is.

Right, because they're colored.

Yeah, like the color bowl would be grape, right?

Red would be maybe strawberry-flavored or cherry.

Right, you're gonna get it.

Orange would be, I don't know, orange-flavored.

Software.

You know, we have

a dumb expression.

And so let's say you get the flavor wrong.

You get another delicious flavor of Kool-Aid.

Is that the outcome here?

That sounds terrible.

Here's a guy, by the way.

You know,

here's a guy who

has spent years walking through the walls of apartments and saying, oh, yeah,

to people when it comes to the Kool-Aid man.

The Kool-Aid man.

He has been delivering real information on Kool-Aid for decades.

Right.

And Corey Booker comes in here with this ridiculous saying and tries to throw all of that information spreading out the window.

You know, the truth is.

That's wrong.

That's wrong of him to do.

I'm fascinated by this because, I mean, look, I understand that perhaps I don't have the connection to some of these things that maybe I need to understand the Corey Booker.

Do you live in his community?

He's a man of people with his multiple condos that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

His multiple businesses he's started up and somehow gotten millions of dollars of funding without any knowledge of how to actually run the businesses, which are now out of business.

And he was doing that while he was mayor of a city.

Corey Booker's

history of corruption in that city is fascinating.

We did an entire episode on it a few weeks ago on the television show.

But the idea that

you're dipping, trying to understand it, you're dipping into the Kool-Aid, but you don't know the flavor.

It just doesn't seem all that problematic to me.

It does.

Because let's say you think it's strawberry.

Okay.

But it turns out to be orange.

Yeah.

Like I.

Are you going to vomit?

It's just really, it really tastes good still.

I mean, it's a delicious, sugary drink.

And as soon as it's in your glass, don't you see that, hey, oh, I thought that was cherry, but no, it's orange.

So I'm going to drink it now anyway.

Now,

there is a pathway here, Pat, for people like us.

If you dip into the Kool-Aid and you find out it's Roundup, that might be a different issue.

Now you've got a problem.

I have had a drink at Roundup, so for me, it would not be a problem.

But

rat poison might be

a better example.

So

there is a pathway, though, for people like us, Pat, to bridge the gap between our community, the evil,

white,

whitey, white-tastic.

community of the suburbs where we've walled off our community in a bubble so that no one else of color can get into it.

That community that I assume that we live in because we've voted conservative in the past.

And the community of Corey Booker, not the one that he's making millions of dollars and living in a beautiful condo in the nicest area of Washington, D.C.

Not that Corey Booker, but the one that he's portraying here, you know, a man of the people, of the streets.

That's him.

He knows this talk.

This is natural for him.

That wasn't the first time he had ever said that in his entire life.

That pathway, however, to the bridge there is called urban dictionary.com.

Now, if you go to urban dictionary.com and you type in something you don't understand, it will attempt to tell you what it means.

So here, don't be dipping in the Kool-Aid when you don't know the flavor apparently means when you say to a dumb person that they are getting in your business.

Now, I should point out, you may have heard B-U-S-I-N-E-S-S.

It's actually B-I-Z-N-E-S-S.

So when they're getting in your biz-ness

or messing with stuff they don't need to be messing with, and we have an example sentence here for you.

Bill, if Bill were to say, L-M-A-O, I bet she dumped you because you were a cheap ass.

Nick might respond, man, don't be dipping in the Kool-Aid when you don't know the flavor.

And I think now, with that perspective,

we can all understand

what Booker was talking about, which, by the way,

what Biden was talking about was accurate.

You know, look, is it a terrible thing to hire Rudy Giuliani's guy to work on security in a major city?

Well, Rudy did a pretty freaking good job with it.

So I don't think that that is a...

Rudy turned that town around.

Yeah.

And his people.

Now, the Rudy Giuliani of today is looked at differently.

Yes.

Right.

But back in the early 90s,

I mean, he fixed Times Square.

He did turn New York around.

And Giuliani did this for cities all around the country.

He, you know, doing consulting and stuff for cities all around the country and America to try to replicate those same results.

So the fact that Booker did that is not actually controversial, but you see Booker avoiding it because now Giuliani's tied to Trump and you can't say anything good about Trump.

I mean, they called him a white nationalist last time on television.

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Fascinating to watch the spectacle that was the Democrat debate last night and the night before too, but they were both agonizing.

Some interesting aspects

on some of the policies, and we'll get around to that.

But

the healthcare situation, did you were you aware, first of all, it's apparently going to cost $30 trillion in taxation.

$30 trillion

over 10 years.

And crazy.

Absolutely a low estimate.

Well, I talked to Brian Reid a lot.

They're using that estimate.

That's theirs.

That's the best.

It's got to be double that at least.

It's got to be at least double.

And it doesn't even include so much.

Were you also aware that even then there's a deductible?

I didn't know that.

Oh, yeah.

I didn't know there was a deductible on top of the tax.

It's on top of that.

Wow.

I mean, you have to.

Wow.

It also goes along with massive middle-class tax hikes.

massive.

Which they try to get around by saying, well, you're no, your overall cost is going to be way lower.

Okay, so you're saying that because I'm not paying health care premiums,

the tax is going to,

that will negate the tax increase?

No, no way.

That's been a hilarious part of the argument about single-payer health care.

Ridiculous.

Instead of

they keep saying, well, you're going to get free health care.

No, they're going to create a new line on your paycheck.

And instead of it coming going, going, you know, the line now that talks about your health care, that's going to be replaced by a tax line that is going to be more than what you're doing now.

That's what this is going to be.

So you're going to say, oh, it's free.

But no, there's a giant tax line that takes all of the money away.

And it's going to be more for you, especially if you, God forbid, are one of these rich people that earns more than $40,000 a year.

You're going to get destroyed by this thing.

Well, here's what

Bill de Blasio in his opening statement was unbelievable last night.

Listen to this.

To the working people of America, tonight I bring you a message of hope.

Oh, good.

We can make change in this country.

I know from personal experience it can be done.

When I became the mayor of the nation's largest city, I set us on a path of bold change.

They said it couldn't be done, but we gave pre-K to every child for free.

We got rid of stop and frisk and we lowered crime.

We raised the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

Yes, it can be done.

Now, tonight, we have to get to the heart and soul of who we are as Democrats.

There are good people on this stage, but there are real differences.

Joe Biden told wealthy donors that nothing fundamentally would change if he were president.

Kamala Harris said she's not trying to restructure society.

Well,

I am.

For 40 years, working people have taken it on the chin in this country.

For 40 years, the rich have gotten richer and they've paid less and less in taxes.

It cannot go on this way.

When When I'm president, we will even up the score and we will tax the hell out of the wealthy to make this a fair country and to make sure it's a country that puts working people first.

Okay, that's as strong a class warfare statement as I've ever heard in this country.

Yeah.

That's just flat-out Marxism.

It's the bourgeoisie versus the proletariat.

I'm going to tax the hell out of the wealthy.

Oh, okay.

Well, let me donate to your candidacy because I really want to be taxed until I can't have any more.

I don't have a single penny left in my bank account.

Please take it all.

What I'm looking for is a ceiling on my achievement.

I don't want, what happens if I achieve too much?

And maybe you don't want to make any more than $50,000 a year, right?

Oh, my gosh.

$50,000?

20,000?

One person?

$20,000 a year.

$1,000.

I think Andrew Yang will give us $1,000 a month.

Maybe that's enough.

Maybe.

Maybe that's

too much.

It's so ridiculous.

I mean, it is blatant classic.

It's ridiculous.

And you have to understand, of course, this is who de Blasio is.

We all know his history and that he is absolutely a communist.

You could say communist.

If you want to say socialist, that's fine too.

But the bottom line is he is Marxian in the way he thinks.

And the other two things about de Blasio, which are important to know, if you don't know him and you're not in New York, number one, he has absolutely no shame.

He will say anything at any time for for any reason.

If it benefits, he would call his own mom a serial killer and accuse him publicly for 30 cents off a coffee.

Like, that is the type of person he is.

He has no shame.

He is a terrible human being.

And even the people in New York who vote for him believe that.

Like, his approval ratings in New York are disastrous.

He is the least popular candidate in the entire field.

Because they don't even like him in New York.

Or in the Democratic Party.

So his idea is

he's also, I would say, ballsy, right?

He'll come out and say it.

He is a New Yorker and he'll come out and he will fire.

And he did that all night last night.

He went after Biden multiple times.

He went after Kamala Harris a couple of times.

He's trying really hard to break out of that 0 to 1% range he's in.

And he does not have that sense in him that like, oh, wow, if I do something embarrassing, then I'm going to look terrible and people are going to.

He does not feel that way.

He just goes for it.

He does not care.

So these attacks and him going to this level of saying things that no one else will say in the Democratic Party, like attacks the hell out of the rich people.

I mean, the only other person you could see that coming out of the mouth of is maybe Bernie Sanders.

And he does that because he does not, his path to the presidency is to be a big jerk to everybody on stage.

And number two, be to the left of everyone, including Bernie Sanders.

He is actually attempting to get to the left of Sanders, which no one else is really trying.

Even Warren, Warren wants to be seen to the right of Bernie Sanders slightly.

Like, she wants to be seen as the more acceptable alternative to Bernie, but pretty much still a socialist.

He wants to, you know, de Blasio wants to get to the left of Sanders to get that activist socialist vote on his side, which gets him to 2 or 3%.

And then he can get into the next round of debates and try this all over again.

But it's not a winning philosophy.

You You know, it's like that, it's very much like

the boxer

who's like the guy at the gym.

He got in a couple fights at a bar and maybe he won a bar fight or two and then he's going in against like Mike Tyson in his prime.

And the guy will come in and he'll throw some big punches and he'll miss and then he'll get knocked out.

And that's going to be the de Blasio campaign.

But he is not going to go.

He's not going to play defense.

He's not going to come out there and try to jab a few times.

He's going to throw wild punches and just pray that something connects.

And he's shameless.

So he's able to at least attempt it.

He does not feel the pain that you would feel from the Mike Tyson punch.

So it was pretty embarrassing, I thought, by de Blasio.

He was, I'm not surprised to see that he made a little bit of noise, but.

He was also protested last night.

Yeah.

They're yelling and screaming about the.

What was it about?

Remember the Eric Gardner situation where he was, what, selling big guy and black, and so that created the controversy because he was killed by a white cop.

And he had, I think he was selling cigarettes on the street.

Right, loose cigarettes.

Right.

Yes, I do remember that.

And the police told him not to.

And then pretty soon he jumped on his back and started the chokehold.

And he's a big guy.

And they had his arms pinned behind his back.

They were on top of him.

And he kept saying, I can't breathe.

I can't breathe.

Please let me up.

Let me breathe.

And they suffocated him to death.

And that was really a horrible

situation.

There isn't.

So

he's up for whether or not to remain on the police force now.

And they're trying to decide whether or not he's going to get fired.

He already didn't face charges for it.

So

now they're trying to decide whether he stays on the force or not.

And it does not seem that, you know, look, the way this was presented was this guy took off his hood to do the suffocation.

It does seem like it's more of a case of excessive force, not because of race.

Yes.

It doesn't seem like any, there's no evidence that it stems from racism.

No.

It just happens to be that one guy was black and one guy was white.

So we automatically apply it.

Like we do with the president, right?

Like he's talking about Cummings, so he must be racist.

It's just one of the few situations that everybody talked about.

It was one of the worst ones.

It was bad.

I mean, like, some of these situations where a police officer does something like this, you know, a lot of them are just...

It's just not true.

Yeah.

The story's totally different.

Yeah.

This one was really rough, really rough.

It was hard to understand how it occurred.

It really, really was hard to understand.

It was.

I mean, we know we've, we've talked to officers over the years who have said, like, look, this guy's a huge guy.

You know, you don't understand when you're in that mode and you feel like your life is in danger.

But, I mean, that one really didn't look like that at all to me.

But, you know,

the point is, I think, de Blasio getting protested for that is interesting in that, like, he is not a pro-cop guy.

Not at all.

De Blasio

is a man that I would have an incredible amount of difficulty going to work under

his supervision.

He administrates the police, you know, the mayor's office, office is the administrator for the police department.

And this is a guy who, in the last debate, said, I had to tell my black son about all the mean cops who might kill him.

Like, that was his big statement last time in the debate.

Can you go to work for that guy the next day if you're a police officer?

You're a police officer and you're doing your best to come back home to your family

and defend the

innocent people who are victims of crime.

No, the cops hate him.

Oh, my God.

They absolutely hate him.

I don't know that I could come to work.

I don't know that I could even show up under Bill de Blasio.

So the fact that he's being protested because he's not

because he hadn't fired that car.

That's an amazing coincidence.

It shows that there's no way or you can ever be safe.

You're never going to be woke enough.

You're never going to be pro-LGBT enough.

You're never going to be anti-cop enough.

None of these things exist.

There's not a place you can be in which you're safe, which you've been critical enough of Republicans, critical enough of conservatives.

There's no safe place.

There really isn't.

But, of course, de Blasio is such a jerk, it's hard not to like the fact that he's getting hit on that issue.

No, I enjoy whatever they're protesting.

And I love the fact that, again, it's liberals eating their own.

They started this fire.

Now it's burning out of control.

And they're getting burned and singed by the same thing that they wanted Republicans to get burned by.

Because it's my impression that it's always been burning is the world's been turning.

Is that not accurate?

Except for you and I.

We didn't start that fire.

We didn't start that that far.

That was not us.

Right.

Right.

It was them.

It was always burning

since the world's been turning.

Yes.

And I think that's something that they need to recognize and did not on stage last night.

No, they didn't.

No, they didn't.

Do we want to do

the Joe Biden thing?

Yeah, he had a hard time last night.

He's had a hard time in both debates.

I thought he was better last night.

A little bit.

I thought he rebounded a little bit.

Yeah, because he was trying to be bolder.

He wasn't quite as nice.

He realized everybody's not his friend on stage because they're all running against him.

And

he's the lead candidate so there he's got the target on his back and and i think he responded to that a little bit last night but he also stumbled around a little bit last night here's a listen to that vice president about i want to give you a chance to respond the fact is that the bills that the president that excuse me the future president here that that that the senator is talking about it's about all these breakthroughs we have with the whole dealing with the whole excuse me immune system i found that whole excuse me the secretary we said.

We can hear fine, Mr.

Vice President.

Please continue if you will.

The fact is,

and the only reason this particular part of the law is because this is not a Republican talking point.

Bernie acknowledged this.

Three

thirty trillion dollars.

And they're not going to have to pay.

Anyway, and there will be a deductible.

The deductible will be out of your paycheck.

I don't know if you can hear, I can hear, but anyway.

It took courage.

It took

resilience.

And by the way, anybody who crosses the stage with

a PhD, the crack powder, cocaine, totally disparity, totally eliminated.

My plan calls for making sure that we have...

No,

we would work it out.

I call for who I know.

And that's

bigger than any other person.

You went out and you hired Rudy Giuliani's guy.

You engaged.

Secondly, I was part of the organization in only 20.

Anyway, I expect in this city, that's been...

Mr.

Vice President, I didn't interrupt you.

Please sir without respect, sir.

And she did not,

like me, that you, in fact, have been,

the police officer nation would expulpate your

client to the private.

Expulpate.

In order, either China's...

Would you or would you not rejoin the TPP?

Yes or no?

I would not rejoin the TTP.

It's so

a little bit of a struggle.

He stylistically has an issue as he gets older.

You know, he's been a rapid-fire guy his whole life, and that gets harder and harder.

You know, I think he comes off

not able to keep up with the words he's trying to say.

And that's a problem.

But, you know,

I really think that if he

were able to kind of just adjust a little bit and say, I'm going to slow down.

I'm going to be more deliberate with my speech.

Right.

I'm going to smile more and be like the, you know, because he'd be fine.

He'd be fine.

He just, he's trying to replicate the guy he was in 1988.

And I don't mean by plagiarism,

but he's just, he's not that guy anymore.

And he needs to understand understand that, I think, if he really wants to nail these things.

But I do think he was good enough yesterday to maintain his lead.

I think so too.

He probably will.

I think he probably.

If he continues with performances like that, he'll probably be okay.

He probably has a 50% chance of winning the nomination if he can at least maintain that level of performance.

Kind of gives you an idea of just how bad this field is when we're defending Joe Biden, doesn't it?

Yeah.

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It's Pat and Stew in for Glenn, who's on vacation this week.

I should remind you that I'm going to be doing TV this whole week.

We've been doing these sort of look backs at the debate and mocking all the candidates.

We also, tonight, I think it's tonight when you do, we're going to do the actual story behind Flint, Michigan, because you've been hearing this during all the debates.

They're like, well, we need to fix Flint and Flint, these people were left for dead with the poison water and all these things.

How did the Flint thing actually happen?

It's a fascinating story, and it ties back to something that both Democrats and Republicans praise all too often.

But Flint was essentially a shovel-ready job project.

It was a stimulus project.

It was a project to not really fix the water system, but to create new jobs.

And that's how it was sold to the people.

And so lots of people were like, oh, yeah, let's do that.

And that's the thing that

wound up screwing up everything for the people of Flint.

We'll go into that because the history is really fantastic.

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I did live tweet the debate again last night, which is, it does make it a little bit tolerable because you're kind of having fun with it and you realize how ridiculous it is and you can point out all the nonsense.

And people will make you laugh, which is good.

If I had access to this at home

when the Democrats are speaking, that would make it much better.

It would make it much better because then instead of getting really hacked off at everything they're saying, you just laugh at it.

Like it's a sitcom.

Maybe keep that around for some of these clips that we're going to play now.

Oh, definitely.

And see if it improves it.

Okay.

Because I think that could actually make a difference.

Yeah.

There was actually one interesting moment on the CNN pre-debate coverage.

I know you were watching.

Oh, the pre-debate?

Yeah.

All over the pre-debate.

You were all over the pre-debate?

Oh, so you saw this moment.

Or not.

I might have gotten up and gotten a sandwich or something at the time.

Oh, wow.

That's terrible luck.

Because the one clip I wanted to talk about is the one time you got the sandwich.

Oh, darn it.

But the weird thing is, I haven't told you what clip it is yet.

So you don't even know what you're talking about.

I'm just sensing.

I'm sort of psychically sensing.

I was out of the room at the time.

No, I did not watch the pre-debate.

I can't believe you stuck through that, too.

Well, you know.

That hurts.

It hurts.

It's physically painful.

No, I thought this was interesting.

I think you might actually like this, Club.

This is a CNN panel talking about the Democratic candidates and their promises so far in this election cycle.

And then there's this divide between what is possible.

You do have to work with Congress on something like as big as healthcare.

And for those of us who covered the healthcare debate the last time, know how hard even the littlest details are to get across the finish line versus the, if you dream it, you can do it.

It's like, let's do this and let's get free this and this and this.

Sunshine and unicorns ain't always easy.

Yeah, and there was criticism from, you talked about they have to pay for it.

There was criticism from people like Joe Biden that the other Democratic candidates aren't being straight about how they would pay for it except for Bernie Sanders.

And you saw that last night.

Elizabeth Warren was salivating over the John Delaney and the wealth tax argument, but she dodged completely when asked about if she went middle class.

Yes, she said that she said overall their costs would go down, but she wouldn't say that their taxes would go down right.

And the problem with that is that, yes, the taxes will go up and the costs may go down.

But when Republicans are concerned that if they give Democrats an ability to raise taxes, they will never come down.

They'll keep going up and up and up.

That's the Republican argument.

It's not just a Republican argument.

Notice the truth.

It's the facts.

Yeah.

It's interesting, though,

they're noticing these are sunshine and unicorn arguments, and they are.

The idea that it's only going to cost $32 trillion, which by the way is the left-wing number, the left-wing estimate for these programs, $32 trillion just for healthcare.

The number they were using all last night?

Yep.

And they all admit that.

That's the one they want.

The reason why they're admitting it is because it's going to be much higher than that.

And I know it doesn't feel like it's possible to have a number higher than $32 trillion, but believe me, $33 trillion exists, and so does $34, and so does $56 trillion.

Think of it, though, $3 trillion a year for 10 years.

That's essentially the entire U.S.

budget right now.

That dummy links that budget with one policy.

Yes.

With just one.

That doesn't even include the free college for everybody or the mincome that they decide on or any of these other free giveaways they're doing.

Forgiving all college debt that's been accrued, that's in the trillions as well.

That's one, I think, $1.23 trillion

for that program.

And many of them are advocating that.

just forgiving all of a sudden okay nobody has to pay any of the debt they accrued for college we talked earlier this week to uh brian reidel who's one of the top budget analysts uh in america works for the manhattan institute you know has all sorts of connections has worked on you know all form of things and he's a guy who even got a piece on vox about the cost of the green new deal

which was

how he did that.

They actually ran this thing because it showed how ridiculous this program was.

I was talking to him, I think it was on Monday, and he's outlining the cost of these plans, and you just see them just churning and churning and churning and churning.

And we got to the point where we started talking about the, you know, we're at the point where we're in 50, 60 trillion dollar land already.

And I say, well, what about the Green New Deal?

Now, Medicare for All is part of the Green New Deal, but there's a lot of other things like retrofitting every home in America,

putting high-speed trains to every location where planes fly.

Which is, I don't know if anyone's realized that part part of it.

That's backwards.

Like that's, that's a terrible move, right?

You're going, you're taking something that's much more efficient, much better, and going backwards, which is what most of the stuff is.

So the same thing with healthcare.

It's the same thing with your

building retrofitting, you know, all these green energy changes.

And they went through all of this.

And I was like, well,

how do you calculate the cost of that?

And he's like, I've been scoring budgets for a decade, for two decades.

It's almost incalculable.

Like, you can't calculate some of these things.

They're so, the cost would be so high that you can't get all of the variables in there to actually come up with a number that you can be even mildly confident in because they're so high.

I mean, we're going to start learning the word quadrillion real soon around this place.

Oh, yeah.

You know, a lot of people don't know that word.

It's coming soon.

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All right.

The debate last night, we watched it, so you didn't have to.

Part of what is interesting is that there are still a couple of maybe actual Democrats rather than socialists or communists in this field.

One of them is Michael Bennett, who's certainly not a conservative, but at least he's trying to pull the party back to reality a little bit and tell them: look, it's just not practical.

Why can't we just do something

that is real, that fits in with reality?

And we should point out that that's always the opposition.

It's not an opposition of that socialism would be really bad or that

a fully socialized economy is a terrible idea.

The argument is just we can't get that done.

It's not practical right now.

Let's take a step and we'll do more later.

And so, what are they told when they bring that up?

Republican talking point.

Republican talking point.

Anything they disagree with or don't have an answer to.

Republican talking point.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

That really is the way that that works.

It is.

Which is fascinating because it's just, they just say Republican talking point.

Anytime anyone says, hey, how are you going to pay for something like this?

Like, what's the cost?

Republican talking point.

Right.

Republican talking point is also, hey, you have a Senate to deal with that has a bunch of Republicans in it, so you can't get any of this stuff passed.

Republican talking point!

Well,

it's not a, I mean, I guess it's a Republican talking point.

The Republicans will be saying it.

However, you're not going to, we're trying to be a little bit realistic here.

And you give Bennett credit for that, although he's not.

He's not good at debating

or anything else.

He has no chance of winning, which is always what's entertaining about this is that the socialists all are in like the teens.

Yeah.

And all these guys, Delaney and Bullock and Bennett and Klobuchar.

They're zero.

Or zero one and some polls.

All right, so here's that discussion, Bennett and Harris.

Like others on this stage, I've been crystal clear where I've been for a decade through two tough races in Colorado.

I believe we should finish the job we started with, the Affordable Care Act, with a public auction that gives everybody in this audience the chance to pick for their family whether they want private insurance or public insurance.

It requires drug companies to be negotiated with by Medicare and it provides competition.

That is totally different from the the plan that Senator Warren and Senator Sanders and Senator Harris have proposed, which would make illegal employer-based health insurance in this country and massively raise taxes on the middle class to the tune of $30 trillion,

as Joe Biden said.

We don't need to do that.

It doesn't make sense for us to take away insurance from half the people in this room and put huge taxes on everybody in this room when we can pass a public public option, trust the American people to make the right decision, and have universal health care in this country in two years, not ten years.

Well, first of all, with all due respect to my friend Michael Bennett,

my plan does not offer anything that is illegal.

What it does is it separates the employer from health care, meaning that where you work will not be a

kind of health care you get will not be a function of where you work.

I have met so many Americans who stick to a job that they do not like, where they are not prospering, simply because they need the health care that that employer provides.

It's time that we separate employers from the kind of health care people get.

And under my plan, we do that.

As it relates to the insurance and the pharmaceutical companies who will not be called in and who will not be taken to task by Senator Biden or Senator Bennett's plan, we will do that.

Senator Bennett, I want to bring you back.

Senator Harris is my friend as well.

But I have to say,

if we can't admit tonight what's in the plan, which is is banning employer-based insurance we're not going to be able to admit that when donald trump is accusing democrats of doing that as well we need to be honest about what's in this plan that would be nice bans employer-based insurance and taxes the middle class to the tune of thirty trillion dollars do you know how much that is that is 70 percent it's more than a hundred the government will collect in taxes over the next 10 years

we don't need to do that

crazy i i love how you know,

he says that her plan

will make

the private insurers illegal.

And then her response to that is, my plan doesn't offer anything that's illegal.

Yeah, that wasn't the point.

He's saying that all insurance companies will be illegal under your plan.

Can't get private insurance.

It has to go through the government.

Must.

That's unbelievable.

Yeah, and then this is one of the legitimate splits.

There's three sort of flavors of this healthcare debate going on with the Democrats right now.

Bernie's is the one that negates private insurance right away.

But Bernie is the most pure.

So Bernie is Medicare for all, and Medicare for all means everyone is on Medicare, period.

So there's not, if you have insurance at your work right now, or you're on Medicaid or you're,

everyone just goes to the same program.

It's a single payer, pure single payer, and it happens almost immediately.

It's like all of us now have health care under the VA.

Yeah, because that's a government-run health care plan.

Now, of course, there's all sorts of complications.

It will cost much more than $31 trillion.

It also will make tons of hospitals and doctors leave the industry.

I mean, you know, if you have to get paid at Medicare rates, you're not going to be able to maintain your practice.

So there's all sorts of massive problems with it.

Plus, you'll have far less doctors because part of the allure of being a doctor and going through all of that education, because they go through 12 extra years that most of us don't do.

Okay, so they should be rewarded for that.

Yes.

They're going to make some money for that.

All of that goes away.

So

it makes that not worth it anymore.

Exactly.

There's no reason to do it because, you know, I mean, look, some people go in it purely for helping, I guess.

But I mean, it's an extra incentive, and a lot of people like it.

It's going to be certainly much less, right?

So that's flavor A is Medicare for all in a pure sense.

The downgrade from that and what a lot of people on the stage are offering is Medicare for all who want it is the way that they say it.

So basically there is a Medicare option that you can go into if you would like.

Essentially.

Let me see.

Is it something like...

You can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it.

If you like the plan you have, you can keep it.

If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you won't have to do a thing.

You keep your plan.

If you like your health care plan.

Yeah.

You should be able to keep your health care plan.

Are we going to fall for that again?

Again.

Seriously?

Again.

It's the same

thing.

It's the same exact thing.

It's the same lie Obama told us.

And by the way, it was a lie then.

It's a lie now.

It's not going to work that way.

And they know that.

Of course.

But they're counting on the same thing Obama counted on.

By the time it comes around and really kicks into gear, it's too late anyway.

Right.

It's too late.

It's years down the road and people start getting used to it.

Yeah.

So that plan is essentially, they'll just create a giant public option that anyone can go into.

And then the Biden plan and a couple of others have just a massive expansion of Obamacare.

Those last two are pretty much the same.

It's just, it's almost branding.

We're like, Biden's trying to say Obamacare was great, and therefore we should build on Obamacare with this

option,

public option, which is something that Obama did run on, by the way, in 2008.

He wanted the public option.

And the other version of it is it's Medicare for all who want it.

So it's the same thing in a lot of ways, but but it's sort of a branding difference.

The bottom line is: the biggest difference is: do you, is public insurance the only game in town?

And with Bernie, with Elizabeth, with Kamala after 10 years, with

what's her face, Crystal Lady, Marianne Williamson, darkler, yeah, the one with the essential oils.

Normally, way over there, normally, way over there with Bernie and Elizabeth.

This is a good Yodler.

Do essential oils solve IYS?

That is something we need to do.

Inadvertent Yodeling syndrome?

Yes.

I don't know, but we'll look into that.

We will.

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Patton Stuke for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.

We were just discussing Republicans and how evil they are because

the only thing Republicans want is for you to die.

They want you to die.

They just want you to die.

They said that actually during the debate, one of the candidates said, the only thing Republicans care about is getting you off of your health care.

It's funny to care about that.

Why would that be a priority?

That's so ridiculous.

Why would anyone care about removing someone's health insurance?

It's so ridiculous.

But the only other thing that they care about, apparently, if you watch the rest of the debate, is health insurance profits.

So they apparently want these health insurance companies to profit off people who don't have health insurance, which is a fascinating trick.

You know, the idea that they kept coming back to the profit thing over and over again.

We can't have profit in healthcare because profit is a bad thing.

It's not the thing that's ripped 3 billion people out of poverty.

The profit motive is not that,

because it's a central part of capitalism.

It is the central part of capitalism.

So, if you're vilifying profit, you're vilifying capitalism, you're vilifying the lifting of multiple billions of people out of extreme poverty.

That is, it's a fascinating thing.

Basically, the best thing that has ever happened to the world in human terms is something they continually vilify.

Even hardcore communists in China understand that now.

They brought 400 million people out of abject poverty in the last few years because they now use a capitalist hybrid system.

And in India.

Same thing.

The same thing is happening.

Hundreds of millions of people are coming out of total poverty.

It is a literal miracle.

It is.

And when they talk about the health insurance and all these evil profits, they'll be like, there is a shot you have to take that costs $4,000.

They'll always bring up the most extreme, ridiculous example.

And some of those do exist.

However, the health insurance profit margin, the health industry's profit margin.

95% profit.

Is that what it is?

No, but it's 98%.

No, it's actually lower.

Okay, 90%.

If you're going to split hairs with me, Stu.

It's a little less.

Do you want to play that game?

It's a tag.

Okay, it's 89%.

Okay.

No, no.

Whatever.

It's a little size.

What is it then?

6%.

60%?

6%.

It's just 6.

6%.

The number 6.

Yes.

And then followed by a percentage sign.

6% profit.

I believe.

That's incredible.

The breakdown is, and this is serious.

The breakdown is.

That's not a big profit margin at all.

Yeah.

Per year,

$80 per person in profit.

$80.

Wow.

Not a lot of money.

Uh-uh.

I mean, look, it's a big industry and it's getting bigger because as a society that's had capitalism and has been able to innovate and save lives and extend life expectancy and create incredible new innovations like the MRI, like all of these great medicines that everyone on stage has, they're either taking or they have another person in their family taking, but all they do is say terrible things about the pharmaceutical industry.

This one drives me nuts.

Can we stop

making the biggest villain in our society the people that cure grandma's cancer?

Can we stop the people who are helping?

Look,

as with any industry, of course you can point to things that are bad in it.

Of course you can.

Everybody knows that.

That is not a tough parlor trick to accomplish.

Anyone can come up with one bad thing in an industry.

But the bottom line is, they have revolutionized the way people stay alive.

They've taken pain from people.

They've cured diseases.

They are able to treat diseases that were thought to be lost causes before.

They will be the ones that come up with the solutions to cancer.

They will be the ones that come up with the solutions to HIV.

They will be the ones that come up with the solutions to all of the diseases that we are terrified of, that kill people and cause deep dramatic pain.

And all we do is treat them as if they're this, you know, dartboard.

And 90% of the new medicine that comes out into the world comes from the United States of America.

But let's change that system and go to the government system that everyone else has and produces nothing new.

Yeah.

Amazing.

Amazing.

Patton Stuff for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program, 888-727B ECK.

Oh, geez.

Oh, no.

Why are you here, Jeffy?

What happened?

I wanted to stop by.

Chew a little bit of the fat.

Why?

Chew a little bit of the fat with you today.

Again.

The day after the debate.

Why?

Excited to be here.

For the fourth time.

Why?

Who invited you?

That's what I want to know.

You did.

No.

You.

No, that's

completely untrue.

Which candidate invited you to this debate?

Michael Bennett.

Okay.

Michael Bennard.

I would have guessed it was Gillibrand because she's the most annoying.

There's no doubt about that.

She is really cringe-worthy, man.

Did you see her last night talking about

how she's trying to,

you know, she's a white woman,

but she's trying to act as if she's the voice of all the different colors of the rainbow?

It's really agonizing.

She's a white woman, but she's the voice of minorities.

Yes.

And she's very, she's got a lot of guilt about being a white person.

She does not like that.

Of course she does.

I'm not a fan of her whiteness.

No.

Here is

Jill Brand talking about

her embrace of all the colors of the rainbow.

I think, as a white woman of privilege who is a U.S.

senator running for President of the United States, it is also my responsibility to lift over those voices that aren't being listened to.

And I can talk to those white women in the suburbs that voted for Trump and explain to them what white privilege actually is.

That when their son is walking down a street with a bag of MMs in his pocket, wearing a hoodie, his whiteness is what protects him from not being shot.

Oh, my God.

Take your white privilege BS and stick it.

That might be the worst clip of the entire thing.

Oh, that's the entire debate.

Number one.

Number one,

imagine being

a white woman in the suburbs and hearing that.

It's so condescending.

You're going to explain to me white privilege, senator.

Thank you.

Really, are you?

Because I can't wait for that one.

Number two, if she had white privilege, it must not be effective because she's at 0%.

I mean, you're telling me white privilege doesn't even get you to 1% in the polls?

Not even the the one?

That's depressing.

And this is something that I don't, I don't, I mean, this is a kind of a news-based program, so I'm going to break a little news here.

It's going to be stunning.

If you're driving, you may want to pull over to the side of the road.

If you want to have that moment, because this is, you may just jerk the wheel into a pole if you're going 65 of the highway right now.

I once, and it's only happened once,

saw a person of color walk safely in a hoodie.

I saw it.

I swear I saw it.

Now, when I pulled around the corner, he may have been shot immediately.

I don't know.

But I swear.

Of course he was.

It was a good 30 seconds of safe walking.

Wow.

A person of color in a hoodie safely strolled for 30 seconds in my purview.

Do you have video proof of that?

I don't.

Of course.

And that's why no one believes it.

Everyone's like, oh,

did you get abducted by aliens too?

And yes, and I don't have video of that either.

But this is real.

I saw this happen.

They act as if, like, every, you know, again, the numbers do not support the idea at all that police are shooting black people at any rate higher than,

is, first of all, connected to the crimes and actions of the people involved.

And number two,

it is they shoot more white people than they do black people.

Right.

By about double.

We know the people, you're much, much,

much more likely to be killed by someone of the same race.

Black people are much more likely to be killed by black people.

White people are much more likely to be killed by white people

because you're more likely to be killed by someone around.

If you decide to break it out into the percentages and say which one is more.

Oh, don't you dare start down the average.

You know what?

I'm not going to.

Don't you dare.

You had a story about the police.

I did.

Well, you know, one of the things that is helping the police in your numbers, that we don't get to them.

No, don't.

No, I will not.

I definitely will not give you numbers from the FBI crime report.

Because I know that would be racist.

That would be the most racist thing you could possibly do today.

And I'll not have it.

Is there a more racist organization than the FBI producing their crime report with the numbers?

No.

No.

No.

No, there isn't.

There is not.

But the police officers are starting to wear body cams now, which is proving to their benefit

more times than not, it seems.

Yes.

But there are also times.

I'd want them if I was an officer.

Me too.

Absolutely.

I want him.

Absolutely.

But

there are times when you see a story like this where the 65-year-old lady in Oklahoma got pulled over by

a police officer, and he had his body cam on.

And you go through and start breaking down the interaction.

And I don't know.

During this video, I'm for the cop, and then

I'm for the police officer, and then I'm against the police officer.

By the end,

I'm still confused, I think.

I'm a little torn on this one, too.

So we start off with the original stop with the officer pulling the lady over.

Well, I did issue for a defective equipment.

It's $80.

You have till September 16th to take care of this,

get you to sign there with Exodus.

So you don't even give a warning for this.

You've been driving around for six months like that.

I'm truthful.

Well, I'm not going to give you a warning for something you've been driving for for six months.

But, well, I don't want to sign it because I don't want to do $80.

You don't want to sign it?

No, because I don't think that I deserve to pay $80

for something that is fixable and I can fix it.

Okay, so now she doesn't want to sign the ticket, right?

So

you go through.

I've done that too, where I've been a little pissed off at the fix.

You don't want to sign the ticket.

I'm the ticket, and I don't want to sign it.

And And it's the police officer's discretion.

What happens here?

At this point, though, I'm completely with the police officer.

Okay, 100%.

Completely with the police officer.

She's just being belligerent.

And like,

I had a friend once who got pulled over for speeding, and he said,

they said, why were you speeding?

And he said, well, I guess I just tend to speed on this road.

And I was like, that's the worst excuse I've ever heard.

You're telling him you've committed this crime like 100 times.

I've got a hundred times.

Right.

And so here, it's like, it's nice of her.

And you give her some brownie points for being honest and saying it's been six months.

But once the officer has that knowledge, he has to give you the ticket.

Right.

And so he's going to give her the ticket.

And, you know, it's his discretion what happens.

When you get pulled over, for instance, for speeding, and they say you were doing 60 miles an hour in a 40-mile an hour zone, and you just tell them, well, I wasn't going to be out that long.

I wasn't even out for an hour.

I don't even know what are you talking about.

Wait, what?

Did that work for you?

No.

Okay.

No, that's good.

So then now the officer is starting to get a little ticked off, right?

Instead of ripping the ticket off and giving it to her or throwing it in the car and saying, well, you're still going to get the ticket.

You still have to pay for it whether you sign it or not.

And really, that's what happens.

It doesn't negate the ticket in any way.

Not signing it doesn't do anything.

You still have to do it.

So now the officer is, you know, he's got a little, he's got his back up against the wall a little bit.

In his mind.

That's all you want.

Always step out of the car.

Why?

Because you're under arrest.

Step out.

Step out of the vehicle.

For not signing the ticket?

You can have that happen, yes.

You be fair with me, and I'll be fair with you.

Step out.

No.

You're under arrest.

No, I'm not.

No.

I'm placing you under arrest.

Step out.

You are full of s because you're not going to be under no arrest.

Stop.

Do not.

Do not take off.

Give me that and I'll sign it.

Step out.

No.

We're beyond that.

Do you want me to step out?

Okay, so right now.

Right now.

Okay, so you need to leave.

Okay, so right now, though, we've had two opportunities.

Two opportunities for the police officer to take the air out of this bubble.

De-escalate.

Right?

The whole thing.

He could have.

At one point, I know

she said, just give it to me and I'll sign it.

And we're way past that now.

Right.

So, I mean, at that point,

he could have just given it to him.

Correct.

Okay, and I'll give you that one.

Now he's pissed.

He doesn't want to

kind of don't blame him for that.

How long was the time between this first video and the second video?

Was he trying to convince her for five minutes?

Was it 30 seconds?

Some of this dash cam video seems to be edited a little bit

from the the police officer.

So I don't know if it was a 20-minute video.

Right.

If it's 20 minutes and she's arguing with him for 20 minutes and then he finally says, all right, now you're under arrest.

Yeah, the original dash camera.

It's easier to understand his position.

If it's 15 seconds and she says she's not going to sign it three times and then he says you're under arrest,

there is a big line there.

Okay, so you're still kind of on the police officer side.

Yeah.

Kind of.

Yeah.

And she takes off.

And she is being belligerent.

And she did, by the way, start to roll away and stop.

Right.

And you can absolutely not do that with a police officer and then she left and she left and then she pulled away now that was a dumb movie so now okay really dumb but he has all the information on her right he knows where she lives he knows all that information he doesn't have to pursue her except he's ticked right well you pull away from a cop after a traffic stop you absolutely absolutely

it was a horrible traffic stop too because she had a light out anyway the uh i mean the criminal activity of that is just huge again though what you know who does that would you ever do that not you, Jeffy.

Pat, would you ever do that?

And the reason you wouldn't do it is because you pulled over 15 times.

So I've had plenty of

opportunities.

Right.

No way.

And I think most people know better than that, right?

Yeah.

You know better than that.

You don't disrespect the cough like that.

So now she's pulled away and he's pursuing her and finally catches up to her.

He's after the car.

Get out of the car.

Get out of the car.

Now he's pulled his weapon on her.

Get out of the car.

I mean, now the gun thing is maybe a tad extreme.

Now he's pulled his weapon on.

He's pursued her.

Jeez.

Got her pulled over.

We hear multiple police officers.

Now we've really escalated here.

We sure have.

We have really escalated.

Are you with the cop at this point or the person?

Look, if someone runs from a cop.

Yeah.

And now you can say, well, she's only an old white woman.

And I know.

65.

65-year-old.

Look, I know.

I know we're already dealt with with a black person in a hoodie.

We know what you do there.

Well, they'd be dead already.

But again, if this was a 25-year-old.

As soon as he saw the person in the car with the hoodie, we would have shot him.

It would be dead already.

If this is a 25-year-old guy in a car and he pulled away, they would absolutely go after him and do exactly what they're doing here.

And the reason.

You know what?

That's a little bit sexist on my part because I would think almost...

I think I might believe it's almost appropriate to approach him with a gun if it's a 25-year-old kid.

Yeah, and part of that is like you might suspect there's an additional crime.

Why are you running from the cop for an $80 ticket?

You're expecting that maybe there's something more going on here.

The belligerent older lady, I just think.

Go on.

Oh, come on.

But again, and a belligerent older lady has

got a finger, and she can pull a trigger.

But he's already dealt with her.

He's already seen that, you know, the odds are she's not armed.

Right.

I mean, he's already dealt with her up to the vehicle.

But he's not shooting.

He's just

pushing.

He knows how to do it.

He pulls his weapon so that she gets, you know, ordering her out of the car.

And then

what transpires.

All right.

Get out of the car.

You better leave me.

Oh, and now he's going to drag her out.

Just pull her right out.

Put your hands behind your back.

Put your hands behind your back.

Meow.

Rolls over.

Oh, oh, and there.

Okay.

Now comes the taser.

And he tased her.

Put your hands behind your back.

Put your hands behind behind your back.

Lay down and put your hands behind your back.

I mean,

there's no question she's in the wrong.

All right.

Yes.

So he put his weapon away, drags her out of the truck,

drags this old woman out of the truck, throws her down on the ground.

There's no, she's ordering her to put her hands behind her back.

She obviously is going to have a difficult time doing that as a 65-year-old woman, not quite as in shape as us.

And so she's going to have a difficult time.

Not as in shape as us.

Can't put her arms.

I mean, difficult.

She can't do it.

So she rolls over, and as she's rolling over, she's kicking, and she kicks him in the groin.

Oh, man.

I don't know that that was, I mean, that was an accident.

Oh, man.

Stop it.

It was not an accident.

So then she rolls away, and he tases her.

Oh, I tases her.

You're infuriating on this.

Come on.

Yeah.

Come on.

I'm with him.

So then.

Thank you, Paul.

I'm with him.

She is absolutely doing everything wrong

in this issue.

And like, look, I think you're right.

Could he have maybe de-escalated it at one point and probably maybe should have taken that window, but she's acting completely irresponsibly.

She's doing things that she absolutely should not do.

And then you come up with this, she's old, so she can't put her hands behind her back nonsense.

She's holding her down.

You just dragged this woman out of her car.

What if she laid down and put her hands to her sides then?

She's not doing that,

but she got up and kicked a police officer.

She's in the balls.

First of all, she rolled over.

She didn't get up.

She rolled over and kicked a police officer in the balls.

Then he taves her, and he gets her handcuffed.

handcuffed.

Later, you see he gets her handcuffed, and then he's trying to be, are you okay?

Are you hurt?

Everything okay?

She's like, no, I'm not okay.

I'm hurt.

Is he hurt?

Because that's happened to me before, and it doesn't feel good.

No, it shows it.

So now she's been charged with a felony assault on a police officer, one misdemeanor for resisting arrest.

And let's not forget about the broken taillight, the towing charges, the lot charges, all of this.

All of this for a broken taillight.

Kind of shows that she should have maybe signed the ticket and she would have avoided all of it.

I'm 100% 100% team cop on this one, I got to say.

And that's the thing.

You know, this is what everybody does with these incidents.

It's just what Jeffy just did, which is she does all these other things, and then it's like, all of that over a taillight.

Look at it all.

No.

An $80 ticket was over the taillight.

It would have been over a long time ago.

It could have been had the police officer had better training.

Okay.

You're infuriating.

Pat and Stu for Glenn.

Also, Jeffy, somebody led him into the studio.

I don't know.

We're doing some investigating right now to find out how that happened.

But one of the most agonizing aspects of that debate last night to me was the climate change stuff.

I just, I couldn't.

They're all for it, boy.

I can't do it.

They all believe the earth is ending.

And it's fascinating because they all just look to Jay Inslee for street cred because everyone knows he's the big climate guy.

So they're just like, you know what?

I will say I agree with Jay Inslee.

And Jay Inslee, I have the same exact plan of whatever he has.

It's like, well, you guys keep telling us that this is the most important issue that

there's ever been.

Why aren't you just going with Jay Inslee then?

If you're all begging for his credibility and his approval, just go with the guy.

If you actually believe this is the most dangerous thing, of course, the truth is.

And you don't.

We all know they believe it wholeheartedly because

for instance, look at the Google Summit they're all doing right now.

They flew to Italy on just 114 private jets.

There weren't 1,000 private jets.

And they all didn't take it.

So they're really cutting back.

Don't try to take it.

No, some of them took super yachts worth $400 million.

Oh, my gosh, really?

To Italy.

Yeah.

And now they're at this climate change at this swanky resort that costs at the minimum $900 a night.

Yeah, Google's footing the bill, right?

$25.

And I'm sure they're all eating just vegetarian fare because

we all know.

They eating local.

Local and sustainable

vegetables.

It's hard to eat local on a private jet, isn't it?

This really gets difficult real fast.

You got to eat on the runway.

If you believe this stuff, you're not living the way they do.

No way.

You're right.

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We've got

some racy racism we could talk about.

I don't know if there's anybody more racist-y in their racist racing than Donald Trump, who's been talking about Baltimore.

And you know what that means.

I mean, that's just dog whistle for

black people.

Yeah, if, let's say, if Donald Trump were to say New Hampshire was infested by drugs, that would be racism because he's thinking of the black people who live in New Hampshire.

Yeah, exactly.

And he did say that about New Hampshire, and people immediately jumped on him because he hates

black people.

Black people, because it's only 93% white.

So you know there's some black people there.

And it's almost worse when there's less black people in a state like New Hampshire to be being racist against those people.

It makes you even more racist.

Yeah, it does.

It takes you, if you hit it.

It accentuates that racism.

Yeah, it squares it.

So it's like racism squared.

Wow.

It's a good way to look at it.

It's really tough.

I like that.

Thank you, Pat.

Is that science?

That's science.

It is science.

Yeah.

You can check out my formulas at racistformulas.net.

I haven't been there yet.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I'm excited.

We're up to three people who've checked it out.

No.

Yeah.

No, it's pretty good.

That's great.

Okay.

I'm interested in

the reaction to this, which I can't.

Another racist person talking about Baltimore?

Yeah.

Really, really, really bad.

And I will guess, I'm going to guess that reaction is going to be a tad different, though, on this particular

thing.

Because as we learned from, I think it was Aaron Burnett and many other

people talking about this Baltimore story, is it's not just that he was being critical of Baltimore or pointing out that this particular story.

Because many people have done that.

Everyone's done that.

So they had to have a fallback position.

Yeah.

Because they were like, well, here's President Obama, and

here's 25 different people saying that Baltimore has the same problems.

Including the former mayor of Baltimore.

Exactly.

Saying virtually what Trump said.

So what do you do with that?

Because

you can't say just criticizing Baltimore, even as a white person, because there's a bunch of Democrat white people who did it too.

So you can't say that that's racist.

Then you have to fall back to this idea that when he says the word infested or infestation, that's when he's signaling his racism to his racist people.

Okay, so that's the key to his racist racism.

Right.

If you want to

unlock the key to his hood.

Is the word infestation.

Infestation.

That's when he's saying, hey, hey, white nationalist, which, by the way, he was called on stage at a presidential freaking debate.

Despicable.

Last night.

Despicable.

They called him a white nationalist.

Look,

we've been critical of Donald Trump many times.

I don't like all of his policies, though there are some that I do really like.

The idea that there is enough evidence to call, or any evidence, to call this guy a white nationalist is despicable.

That is a lie and bordering on slander.

And when did that become okay?

Again, you go back to the Glenn thing, which is just in the news again because of the loudest voice being broadcast on Showtime where they actually presented the real life event that happened on Fox News when he went on in 2009 and said that he thinks the president might have some animosity against white people and he might be racist.

Yeah.

And that was the same thing.

Well, that was all hell broke loose.

How dare you call a president, any president, racist?

They do it every day, all day now.

Yeah.

I mean, it was despicable.

We just celebrated the 10-year racist virtues.

Yeah.

And when we did that,

we, I don't think when Glenn said that on the air, you would have been able to predict how crazy this has become.

I mean, literally

every broadcast on cable news on CNN or MSNBC, they say it.

A journalist says it all the time.

Like, not just an opinion person, which, you know, at least with a presidential candidate, you can make the argument, all right, well, they're trying to win an election.

They're going to call him all sorts of names.

Name calling in politics, not exactly crazy.

This one's, I mean, white nationalists is an actual philosophy, though.

It's not like this guy's a jerk, this guy's a loser.

It is like you're saying that this person adheres to a philosophy of government in the world that is espoused by people like Richard Spencer when there's no, absolutely no evidence.

at all to support that view.

You can say that you think he's racially insensitive.

I think that would be something you could make an argument on.

You know, he does.

But that's he's insensitive on everything.

It's not racially insensitive.

He's just insensitive.

Yeah.

You know, he's insensitive to people that he doesn't like.

In a way, that's part of what we like about him.

There's part of it, yeah.

You know, because he stands up to people.

Yeah, he does.

And we like that because nobody has up until now.

So

it's kind of refreshing that he'll defend himself.

And that's what I think a lot of people like about him.

But when you are saying, first of all, he's a racist, it's proven why.

Because he said, send them back to where they came from.

Okay, well,

we went over that too.

It's like, you know, we said send Piers Morgan back because he didn't like the Second Amendment.

Were we racist on that?

I don't think we were.

You know, people, you know, Ilan Omar told people on Twitter that they should go back to where they came from.

Was she racist?

Because I know when it was said about her, it was definite proof of racism.

When she said it herself, it was not even.

I have not seen one news broadcast acknowledge that she did it.

it.

Not one.

I don't think I have either.

She did it publicly on Twitter to another person, said, go back to where you came from, and we can't find one example of anyone even mentioning it in passing and dismissing it, debunking it, nothing.

I mean, it's so obvious what they're doing.

So they had this idea, well, now it's Baltimore.

He said something about Baltimore.

Let's call them racist for that.

And that's proof that it's racism.

Then they find all these other people who have said the same things about Baltimore.

So they have to back off of that.

They back off to infestation.

So that's where we stand now.

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So if you say the word infested when talking about Baltimore, you are a racist, period.

Yeah.

There's no way around that one.

No, there's no way around that one.

Except if you happen to hear this next audio clip from 1999, I present to you the one, the only

Elijah Cummings.

This morning,

I left my community of Baltimore, a drug-infested area.

A lot of the drugs that we're talking about today

have already taken the lives of so many children.

The same children that I watched 14 or 15 years ago as they grew up,

now walking around like zombies.

This is only 40 miles away from here.

We heard that dog whistle.

We heard it with our own ears.

A lot of people

hate black people.

Usually, usually, humans can't hear a dog whistle.

That's why it's called a dog whistle.

Clearly use the word infestation,

just proof right there, proof positive, that that's a racist comment.

It really is.

You know, it used to be racist, if you remember, when Glenn called Barack Obama names, that was racism.

Last night of the debate, that's the hottest thing to do.

Barack Obama is the worst president of all time, apparently.

All he was doing was arresting, deporting people.

He's worse than Trump.

And can you explain

when people said, and some people did, but extreme people said that Obama was helping terrorism.

It was just flat out stated.

Yep.

In fact, last night, was it Tulsi Gabbert that said it or not?

I think it was Gabbard who said that.

Yeah.

Helping Al-Qaeda or helping ISIS.

Crazy.

That's just crazy talk.

That was not her best moment.

She did have a lot of good moments last night, but I am fascinated by this Obama thing.

Can you imagine watching this if you're Barack Obama?

Your guy, again, we think Barack Obama was a really bad president, but separate us.

Think about the Democratic primary field for a second.

This is an audience that approves of Barack Obama at a 95% clip.

And people were saying this kind of stuff about Barack Obama just a few years ago.

I mean, in a way, Obama's standing above the country,

above the world.

He's sort of God.

Wow.

It's pretty far.

Yeah.

And then last night, he was terrible on the border.

He was terrible on healthcare.

I mean, Obamacare is a disaster to these people.

Just a couple of years ago, everyone was telling us this was going to solve all of our problems.

And now every candidate on stage, with the exception of Biden, who only wants to completely transform Obamacare into something else, he was the only one who said anything positive about Obamacare.

Everyone else thinks it's trash.

And I'm sitting there and I'm Barack Obama in the middle of that debate, and I'm watching these people trash me and trash me and trash me.

I am absolutely going on Twitter and I am endorsing Joe Biden right in the middle of the debate.

I want to see the faces of Kirsten Gillibrand and Kamala Harris as they realize Obama has endorsed Biden.

Except, you're forgetting.

He can't because Joe asked him not to.

Remember, Joe went to him.

That's right.

And he said, please, don't endorse Joe.

No,

don't do that.

It's just too unfair for the other guys.

I mean, or girls.

It is a

hell of a statement that Barack Obama will not endorse Joe Biden.

It is a hell of a statement.

Number one, it says something really serious about Barack Obama in that picking your vice president is essentially a one-person presidential election.

You are solely responsible for the person who may be president of the United States.

You can pick anyone that is constitutionally qualified.

You are supposed to pick the one you think would do the best job in the nation.

He selected Joe Biden.

He watched him in that job for eight years.

And now he doesn't endorse them.

Don't endorse him.

Oh, I don't get involved in primaries.

What are you talking about?

You had your own primary.

You picked the president of the United States.

You picked him.

You picked Joe Biden.

And it says a lot about Biden that Obama will not come out and say he's the best man for this job.

Really does.

I don't know what he knows.

Well, but it does seem like he knows something.

He's probably seen this video.

The villagers,

America's friendliest hometown.

Not one of Biden's best moments.

The bill.

My disciples, America's friendliest of town.

The villages.

Now we are confirmed now.

I assume this comes out in the debate at some point that that is Joe Biden singing that song.

I want somebody to bring that up.

That is a legitimate criticism of Joe Biden.

When he was drunk in a t-shirt, walking down a roadway singing the villages song.

No, something's wrong there.

Now he said it wrong.

He said he doesn't drink.

He did.

Yeah, but clearly this.

Clearly that.

At least he doesn't drink anymore.

Was he trying to say that?

That's what it was.

He was clearly drunk in that video.

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Tulsi Gabbard made a lot of news.

She was one of the highest searched candidates out of the field last night.

And I think people, they don't recognize her.

They don't know who she is.

They see she's obviously a pretty face,

and she did a good job last night.

I think she comes off as very serious and someone who actually has mastery of the things she's talking about.

She has an interesting background, and people just don't know who she is.

So, Gabbard last night, and I mean, how many times did we say this?

Tulsi Gabbard,

I mean, we previewed this going in.

She is going to go after Kamala Harris, and I'd say run interference for Joe Biden.

She seemed that way.

She wants to be Biden's VP or maybe Secretary of Defense.

That's at least my belief.

But, I mean, it played out exactly like what we talked about last night.

Now, Harris, who had a free run of it last time because she was going after Biden, no one was going after her.

Well that ended last night with Gabbard who I mean took her down in dramatic fashion.

Here's the clip.

What's your response?

The reality is right now we don't have a health care system.

We have a sick care system and there are far too many people in this country who are sick and unable to get the care that they need because they cannot afford it.

So at the core of this problem is the fact that big insurance companies and big pharmaceutical companies who've been profiting off the backs of sick people have had a seat at the table writing this legislation.

Now Kamala Harris just talked about Kathleen Sebelius, who helped write her bill.

This just pointed to the fatal flaw in her proposal.

Sebelius works for Medicare Advantage, a private insurance company, who will stand to profit under her plan.

If we're seeking to really reform our health care system, we've got to shut out big insurance and big pharma out of the drafting process so they cannot continue to profit off the backs of the sick people in this country who are searching and in desperate need of care.

Senator Harris, her response?

Well, unfortunately, Representative Gabbard got it wrong.

Kathleen Sebelius did not write my plan.

She endorsed it as being one of the plans that is the best to get us to a place where everyone is going to have access to health care in America.

Yeah, not a good response from Conolla did not have a great night last night.

No.

Gabbard, I thought, did very well.

And to give you another example of what she was doing with Biden later on in the debate, now, Gabbard is very anti-war.

I mean, she's very much on the sort of pacifist side of things.

Now, she served in the military.

I don't think she's a pacifist per se, but she is very much on the non-interventionist side of this argument.

That's just one of the many interesting aspects about her.

She's fascinating.

She really is a fascinating person.

And she's changed dramatically in her ideology.

Yeah, if you don't know her history, she was very much involved in the, I guess you'd call it now, the anti-LGBTQIA2 plus community.

And she was to the point of, like, her dad was a big activist in in this world, and she was appearing at

a conversion therapy type of situation.

He didn't cure you.

Yeah.

So, like, you know, way

you might, you know, we're talking way to the right of not only the Democratic Party, but really where the Republican Party is at this point.

And she had this big conversion moment.

And believe me, if Biden names her as VP, you'll start hearing a lot about that one because I don't think the LGBTQIA2 plus community is going to discover it.

They're not going to let her have this conversion, I don't think.

But beyond that, later on in the debate, they went to her as someone who is very much opposed to intervention when it comes to foreign affairs and asked her, Hey, Joe Biden voted for the Iraq war.

How do you feel about that?

You served over there.

How do you feel about him sending you over to the war?

And she said,

You know what?

We've all been fooled.

We were all fooled by the intelligence.

We were all fooled by what they did, the Bush administration did.

Instead of taking a shot at Biden, she very, in a very nimble fashion, switched it over and went after Bush and gave Biden no responsibility for his own vote, which is pretty amazing.

So

she did a very good job last night.

I did the went through and did grades for the debaters.

Same if there's any here that you would disagree with.

I had de Blasio at a D minus,

worst in the field.

I had Bennett and Gillibrand.

I think my grade for de Blasio might have been F.

It might have been F.

I would have

something generous there.

If I'm at a D minus,

you know, I'm close to an F.

The only reason I didn't give him an F is because he was noticed.

Okay.

You know, somebody might, you know, at least he's going after the socialist vote.

He was the furthest left of that field, and I think he was trying to do that.

So he accomplished something he was trying for.

Bennett, I gave a D.

Now, Bennett, I gave a D, not because of the points he made, which some of them were very good, but because

I don't think he's in line with the party, and also his presentation is not good.

He's not a good candidate.

So he struggles in this sort of format.

I I also think that he was not as convincing as like a Delaney was the night before when it comes to making the moderate points.

Gillibrand, I also gave a D, which I think is incredibly, incredibly generous.

I mean, it's almost like I should get a tax deduction for the charitable grade of a D for Kirsten Gillibrand.

Jay Inslee, I gave a D plus.

And the only reason I gave him a D plus is because of the credibility other people gave him.

He was terrible.

He could have been an F on his own.

The issue, though, they kept going back to him and saying, you know, I'm just like Jay Inslee.

I'm the climate, and that helps with that audience.

So the fact that he was at least credible to that audience, I gave him a D plus.

Corey Booker, I am definitely south of almost everybody on this one.

I think Corey Booker sucks.

Everyone else thinks he's great.

So

I don't know what I'm seeing that they're not seeing.

I think he's so fake and smarmy.

Oh, awful.

He's unlikable.

And unlikable.

And went after Biden completely unfairly multiple times.

I don't like Biden, man, but it's just like, at least try to be fair.

I gave Booker a C minus.

Harris and Biden, I gave both C pluses.

So that's a big downgrade for Harris.

It's a slight upgrade for Biden.

I thought Biden was a little bit better in this one, a little bit more on top of it.

Harris was much worse.

She was lost a lot of times and was getting hit from other directions.

She seemingly didn't prepare for, though, if she watched the Glenn Beck television program or News and Why It Matters, she would have been prepared for it because we talked about it.

Andrew Yang, I gave a B minus.

Now, Yang has one point.

He reminds me of

radio, like when the DJ is getting sick of the Celine Dion song, the audience is just getting to the point where they're starting to like it.

I am sick of the $1,000 a month thing from Yang, though I don't think most people know it.

He's trying to play the hits.

I thought he did a much better job this time.

He was pretty good and at least got his voice out there.

Castro, I gave a B.

He's boring, but he's, I think, competent.

He's extreme, too.

He's very boring, very extreme, especially on the border.

He's a VP.

He's talking himself into the VP hunt, though.

I think so.

And Tulsi Gavrida gave an A-.

I thought she was very solid.

The best of the field.

You're clear winner there.

I would think so, too.

Yeah, she was great.

You know, again,

all these people are nuts policy-wise.

I didn't judge them on policy.

I only judged them on performance in that room.

And

yeah.

Jim Garrity of National Review, also the author of Between Two Scorpions, a Dangerous Click novel.

So, Jim,

talk talk to me a little generally here.

I think, like, in 2016, the Republicans, I think, attempted at least to learn lessons about sort of the structure of this, where they had the kiddie table debates and the adult debates, and there's so many candidates, and I don't know if they have any idea how to deal with it.

Looking at the way the Democrats have structured this, did they learn any lessons?

Do you think this has improved the process at all?

Yeah, I suppose if you're Andrew Yang or Marion Williamson or even Michael Bennett, who, believe it or not, is a senator from Colorado.

He said, you know, very low, little, low, low name ID, but you know, he is really, he's a real person in America.

John Delaney really exists.

Look, John Delaney has been on prime time debates for now, it's going to be four hours now,

maybe five, depending on your stopwatch.

That's actually pretty good.

You know, that's not something that Bobby Jindal got, and all he did was turn around the state of Louisiana during his governorship down there.

One of the things, look, I wrote yesterday in the corner on National Review Online, there's not, parties would never choose to have 25 presidential candidates as the Democrats have this time.

They would not choose to have 17.

And my fear is that 2020, you know, Trump wins, Trump loses either way, you know, could have possibly two parties could have, you know, no incumbent nominee.

25 might look like even small.

There's nothing to, it's a tragedy of the commons.

Everybody's got an incentive to run,

and they end up making it hard.

Because think about it.

Think about all the candidates who went into it wanting to be good in a debate.

But the measuring stick is not, are you good in a debate?

The measuring stick is, can you be memorable?

And that's a much higher bar to clear.

And that's one of the reasons, like, you know, Marianne Williamson talking about dark psychic forces.

That's memorable.

You know, how your healthcare plan would affect the current health insurance of union members in Michigan, that's probably not going to be as memorable as everything else that goes on there.

It does incentivize sort of strange behavior in a way.

You know, you have this situation like the Delaney and Elizabeth Warren back and forth on healthcare was, I thought, really instructive to that.

It's like Delaney was, I thought, on substance, just smoked her.

I mean,

he knew the topics.

He really had good knowledge of all.

I mean, he went deep.

He was impressive, I thought, Delaney in that debate.

And obviously, he's working against a room who really wants something more left.

But the memorable moment is Elizabeth Warren saying, well, why do you run for president if you don't want to try for difficult things?

Well, you know, again, we were talking about this before.

It's like it could be, well, wing, let's we're going to make wings sprout out of everyone's back.

Well, that's a difficult thing, too.

But, you know, there are some things where you're limited.

And, you know, he's making a very pragmatic, smart point.

And the reward goes to Elizabeth Warren, who comes up with kind of a catchy line and everyone cheers at it.

That's just, you're incentivizing bad behavior.

Yeah,

Stu, if I'm ever on a debate stage, one of my rivals says, if we can dream it, we can do it.

I'm going to tell them, flap your arms and fly.

See how that works out?

No.

Some things you dream, you cannot do.

And it's interesting because everybody remembers Warren slamming Delaney.

If you look back to what Delaney said the moment before, she was saying, scoffing at him about his skepticism, his pessimism, his lack of ambition.

It was he wanted to rebuild our, improve our infrastructure, create jobs, raise wages, create universal health care.

There's like one or two other fairly big goals in there.

That's not an unambitious agenda.

That's fairly standard issue Democratic politics.

And, you know, Elizabeth Ward is saying, phew, oh my goodness, could you believe this guy?

You know, why should anyone run for president if you're going to talk about what you can't do?

Well, I mean, for starters, there's the Constitution.

There's just limitations to the power of the president of the United States, the need to build a consensus in Congress to get it through the House, to get it through this.

There's judicial review, the checks and balances.

Maybe what you're proposing isn't constitutional.

You know, maybe it would be good to have, let's have one debate where every candidate just gets up and say, I'd like to do X, but the

power does not, the President does not have that power.

Last debate, presidential candidates were saying we're going to get rid of the filibuster.

Wait a minute.

The president doesn't decide what the Senate does with the filibuster.

You know, it really turns into, when I am king, I will do these things.

And that's not how the American system works.

And this, just generally speaking, as a country, because this, I think, very much affects the right as well.

We really are at the point where we're just elevating these politicians into kings and heroes.

And you are judged as your adherents to whatever they're talking about at a particular moment.

That seems to be certainly, has certainly hit the right side of the aisle.

It's, I think, certainly hitting the left side of the aisle as well.

And it is the exact opposite of the way this country was formed and the way we're supposed to be thinking about these things.

This is not supposed to be some big contest where we all run towards our hero and have them solve all of our problems.

We have a system, and it's worked pretty well for the last couple of hundred years.

It has.

My former colleague, and I'm sad to see him go, Jonah Goldberg, used to quote, I believe it was William Rusher, who was one of the publishers of National Review, who said,

look, you want to like a politician, fine, but never fall in love with a politician.

And he didn't mean romantically.

He just meant, you know, that sense of where you put him up on a pedestal.

Just because, you know, first of all, if you're a committed conservative or you have some sort of issues or policies or beliefs you really believe in, sooner or later, that politician,

if not nine times out of 10, probably 99 times out of 100, they're going to have to compromise in some way.

And you're going to look at that compromise.

You're going to say, oh, I can't believe they did that.

What a sellout.

How could he do that?

But that's the nature of governing, right?

That at some point, you have to, if if you want to get those 51 votes in the senate you want to get 60 votes if there's gonna be a filibuster you want to get a majority you're gonna have to give a little you're gonna have to say okay i'll give you some on column a and you you give me some on column b and that's that's political reality those of us who care about these things tend to be if not idealists then we have this idea in our heads of how things ought to work And sometimes that's plausible and feasible in the political realm, and sometimes it's not.

So the answer is to never get too attached to these guys.

And I like to periodically joke, you know, look, presidents, stew, they're temp workers.

You know, you got a four-year contract, and if you're good, we'll keep you another four years.

And after that, you're gone, even if we think you're doing a great job.

And we shouldn't be thinking about them as these, you know, grand men of history who, you know, already picturing the statue of them on the horse that'll be, you know, somewhere in Washington or something like that.

Rushmore's full up, guys.

Thank God.

So let me give you this.

Let me give you a scenario here.

I want to take off the table Sanders and Kamala Harris and Warren and Biden.

And I'm going to take Buddha Judge too off the table for you.

You have to pick one person who you think has the best chance to win.

Not the one you want to win, but the one who has the best chance to win.

If you had to pull someone out of those lower tiers, what do you do?

Wow.

Seriously, deep down, it's a five-person race.

And that five you just took off the table there are the five.

I guess, you know,

for a while, Beto was generating excitement in the very beginning.

Although I think looking back, I mean, I have really relished the

Icarus-like fall of Beto overwork over the last year

or two, because I remember writing about this guy back during the early part of the Senate race saying, you know, look, give him a little bit of credit.

He's kind of charismatic.

He campaigns hard in his races that he won for El Paso City Council and there.

But beyond that, no, he's not.

You know, the only thing that Kennedy-esque about this guy is his driving record.

And

And so the idea that it was better than usual for a Texas Democrat,

not this world beater.

And that the only way he was going to beat Ted Cruz is if Ted Cruz was asleep at the Switch, and that didn't happen.

So he goes in there, and all of a sudden, it's not, you know, him buoyed by a media that just absolutely loathes Ted Cruz.

Right.

And it's, you know, he doesn't have it, and he doesn't have the national media operating as his,

you know, his press, you know, issuing press releases for him.

He got got glowing coverage, probably on par with Obama in 07 and 08.

And now he put him on, and he just wilts, and all of a sudden, the jump-in on the diner comes kind of weird.

And you hear he tried to trick his wife into eating baby poop, and you're like, what's wrong with this man?

You know, so

by the standards of whoever had that stature, early on, Beta Orwork had that kind of stature.

Beyond that,

Booker is probably in the best shot, the best shape in South Carolina.

And I think if he had stuck to what he had built his career on, kind of this a little bit kumbaya-ish, but you know, almost like Marianne Williamson, we're going to win this race with love.

But Corey Booker, back in his Newark mayor days, was not a down-the-line lefty.

And so there was some potential there.

But I think

one of the interesting stories about this 25-person race on the Democratic side is that early on, it looks like most Democratic primary voters, or at least the people who are answering their phone for the polls,

looked at the top, the massive group, picked five dishes from the buffet table they liked, and they're really not interested in looking at the other options that much.

Yeah, no, I think that that is the state of affairs at the moment.

Before you go, Jim, can you give me a couple of minutes?

Set me up to read Between Two Scorpions.

Sure.

For those who are used to reading me in politics, this is really not all that political.

This was my attempt to

vent some creative energies into the realm of the spy thriller.

I love Brad Thor, Tom Clancy,

Daniel Silva, all that kind of stuff.

People who have read it have really enjoyed it.

I think we're up to 118 reviews on Amazon.

It is available at this point only on Amazon.

So if you really hate Jeff Bezos,

I'm sorry to inform you of that.

Available on Kindle, available paperbook.

It's an entire $13 on paperback.

I think you can do that.

Or if that's too pushed for your blood, it's a $3.99 on Kindle, and I think most people are.

People are enjoying it.

It is a kind of little quirky, a little bit odd, funnier than your typical thriller, but it really much is about a terrorist plot.

I just kind of sat down and said, okay, if I were a terrible terrorist, how would I attack America?

How are we vulnerable?

And without giving too much away, I think our social divisions, our cultural divisions, are where we're very divided.

And if somebody set out to tear apart our social fabric,

I feel like we've done about half the work for them so far.

So thrills, chills.

Lots of people are enjoying it.

So I'm very pleased with that.

Hope everybody checks it out.

Good beach reading for the remainder of summer that we have here.

Very cool.

Between Two Scorpions, a dangerous click novel.

It's available now.

And of course, you get Jim's stuff all the time on National Review.

Jim, thanks so much for joining us.

Thanks for having me, Stu.

Great to be here.

It's Patton Stu for Glenn on the Glenn Back Program, 888, 727BECK.

Kind of an unusual circumstance.

An amazing event happened on MSNBC the other day.

I think this was the day before yesterday, when

Chris Matthews had Elizabeth Warren on his show, actually asked her a couple of pressing questions and kind of stuck to it.

Amazing.

Yeah.

I don't know.

You know, every, I don't know, four or five years, Chris Matthews says something reasonable.

Yes, it's very rare, but it is possible.

Really rare.

I think actually Matthews too is more of an old school Democrat.

Yeah, I think we know he's old.

But he's also an old school Democrat.

And I think he kind of relates more to that.

He's definitely left and he's very, he's terrible on things like accusing the other side of racism and all that stuff.

But like when it comes down to policy, I think he's more of a Michael Bennett than he is Bernie Sanders.

But listen to him push Elizabeth Warren here on

actually how, how are we going to pay for all these things?

If you have Medicare for Life or

government health insurance, you'll have to have more benefits.

And Bernie's talking about the eyeglasses, hearing aids, everything.

There's going to have to be more money.

Oh, look.

Well, your pay won't go up.

Look up.

You guys dodged that tonight.

No, it's not a dodge that's a good thing.

Because Jane Taffer kept saying, how much of your tax is going to go up?

And you'd said,

how much are your costs going to go up?

No, no, no, no.

Different question.

How much are your taxes going up to the bottom?

No, it's how much are your costs?

Because

it's how much families end up going.

It's not that argument.

I know how you're covering it.

It's not just an argument.

You know, the Republicans did a study.

And they hoped to show that Medicare for All was going to bust the budget.

And you remember what it ended up showing?

That Medicare for all is cheaper than our current system.

That's the Republican question.

I know the argument that you put it all together, you reduce the cost for health care premiums, and you get more benefits, and therefore you come out ahead.

But will you pay more in taxes?

Look,

why don't you answer that question?

Because

as Jake said tonight, that's a Republican talking point.

It's not a Republican talking question.

It's a question about where people are going to come out economically.

Look, that's my question.

That's not my question.

My question is, how much will taxes go up?

I spent most of my life studying families that went costs.

Okay, but there's no answer to the question of your taxes.

There is an answer to the question about costs.

How about tax?

Because it's costs that matter to people.

That's amazing.

Amazing.

She will not answer it.

No, they won't because it's a huge tax increase, the largest tax increase in the history of the world.

Oh, absolutely.

By far.

By far.

Not even close.

It would be the biggest tax increase in global history, and it would not be remotely close if they were to pass that.

Right.

They can't say that.

No.

I'm surprised.

Bernie will say it.

Yeah.

You know what?

Taxes are going to go up, he'll say but your costs are going to go down.

Now, that's insane.

It's not true at all.

The idea that the federal freaking government is going to save you money when they process every single visit of yours to the doctor.

There's absolutely no way.

I mean, it's among the most inane things I've ever heard in my entire life.

One of the candidates in one of these these debates, I don't remember which one it was, actually said bureaucracy would go down once the government manages it.

What are you nuts?

Like, have you ever been to the post office?

Wow.

Probably not.

Have you ever tried to open up a business?

Have you ever tried to do the most basic thing when you're interacting with the government?

It's always a disaster.

And the idea that like the private sector is the one screwing that one up with all the paperwork is completely bonkers.

Anyone who believes it is crazy, right?

And the idea that at $32 trillion or whatever it is, that that is the actual cost

is insane.

We know it's insane.

It's going to be much, much, much more than that.

And once the government has control of all the levers, it's all going to change.

It's just like, you know, when you're funding

colleges.

Those price costs are all going to go up because everyone's going to know every cost is guaranteed by the government.

And the quality will go down.

You're listening to Glenn Beck.