Best of the Program | Guest: Pat Gray | 6/10/19

It's Monday, podcasters.

We've got a great show for you.

I'm up at the ranch in Idaho.

Pat was back home manning the place.

But we had some great discussions.

The first part is coming from an article, The Making of a YouTube Radical.

Meanwhile, the rest of social media picking off conservative voices one by one,

but really,

it's the the very powerful right that is controlling YouTube.

It's an amazing story that we have to break up into two days, so tomorrow will be the finish of it.

And also, we went over the numbers of what was happening in Iowa, the Biden and the Bernie lead in Iowa.

Betto is battling in Waterloo, and we all know how Waterloo ended.

And another day closer to President Trump's re-election, in my opinion, because

Sanders is now trying to say that

he hated the Soviet Union.

That was a bad dictatorship.

And that's not what he means by socialism.

We show you the evidence.

That's exactly what he means by that.

And then in hour three, we talk a little bit about the show Chernobyl on HBO, which is tremendous,

and the conspiracy theories here in the United States, because this was brought up by Chernobyl, because the Soviets are mad at the HBO version of Chernobyl, and what they're going to do is remake it, except they're going to remake it and tell the truth that it was the CIA that blew up Chernobyl.

So we talked about conspiracy theories.

It's a great podcast you don't want to miss.

You're listening to the best of the Blenbeck program.

So yesterday, in the New York Times, it's probably going to take me an hour to go through.

In the New York Times, the making of a YouTube radical.

How the site's algorithms played into the hands of the alt-right.

Now, what was the big news last week on the right?

And that was what?

YouTube silencing voices.

I don't even get other Glenn Beck videos in my algorithm.

Okay.

When I go to YouTube and I look to watch something of mine or Steven Crowder or whatever, I don't get Blaze recommendations.

I don't get Glenn Beck recommendations.

How is that possible?

That's not in my algorithm?

I'm telling you, and I mean this sincerely, the only thing I seem to get are Jay Leno videos.

Okay,

I find those interesting, but

what's going on?

This article explains it, but they explain it in a good way, not a brainwashing sort of way.

No, no, no.

Only the people on the right are brainwashing people.

So how the sites algorithms played in the hands of the alt-right.

This is by Kevin Roos.

He says, Caleb Kane pulled a Glock pistol from his waistband, took out the magazine, and casually tossed both onto the kitchen counter.

I bought it the day after I got my first death threat.

Now,

there's absolutely no questioning of his right to carry a gun.

Now, how many times would the New York Times, if, if it were me, and they wrote this article about me, and I said, yeah, I just, I, I bought my gun the first time I got a death threat, which I did, and I,

you know, casually

threw the

magazine and

the gun onto the counter.

Do you think they'd leave it at that?

Or would they use that to make me into an extremist immediately?

No.

With this guy, they make it into a guy under siege.

The threats,

Mr.

Kane explained, came from the right-wing trolls in response to a video he had posted on YouTube a few days earlier.

In the video, he told the story of how, as a liberal college dropout struggling to to find his place in the world, he had gotten sucked into a vortex of far-right politics on YouTube.

I felt I I just fell down this alt-right rabbit hole, he said.

McCain, 26, recently swore off the alt-right,

which, mister McCain, I swore off the wall alt-right a long, long time ago.

Doesn't seem the New York Times seems to have any interest in me swearing off the alt-right, or Ben Shapiro,

who they define as alt-right, or Stephen Crowder, who they define as alt-right, swearing off the alt-right.

We are not part of the alt-right.

Mr.

Kane recently swore off the alt-right five years after

discovering it, and he has become a vocal critic of it.

Like me, that's weird.

He's scarred by his experience of being radicalized by what he calls a decentralized cult of far right.

Now, wait a minute.

A decentralized cult?

Where have I heard decentralized cult before?

Decentralized?

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

You mean like Occupy Wall Street?

That's decentralized.

That's leaderless.

Oh, oh, the guys who wear the masks and are burning buildings down.

What do you call them?

Oh, Antifa.

That's right.

They're decentralized.

That's right.

They're centralized and they have no leadership, too.

This is the first time I've read about the decentralized cult of the far-right.

Oh, oh, oh, I didn't finish.

It's the far-right YouTube personalities.

Oh,

so it's like Stephen Crowder and

Dave Rubin

and Justin

or Jordan Peterson, who's also defined as alt-right by the New York Times.

So those guys,

they're not coordinating.

Oh, no.

They're decentralized.

There is no ringleader, but they're all part of the same evil cult.

He said they convinced him that Western civilization was under threat.

No,

come on.

How could you possibly say this nation and the Western world is under threat?

That's ridiculous.

Show me the evidence.

Show me the evidence.

Besides, you know, jailing people for positions, running people out of their jobs or their community because of their positions,

because of the financial problems that we've had, because of the media, because of governments all over the world not listening to the people.

Oh, let's vote for

Brexit.

Oh, no, you voted the wrong way.

Well, we'll just kind of brush that out of the road.

Hey, maybe we should vote again.

Oh, you didn't get it right this time either.

Maybe we should vote again.

What

could possibly lead us to believe that the Western way of life is under attack?

Other than the growing number of people that say they want to destroy the free market system?

Other than the growing number of Islamists that say they want to destroy the Western way of life?

What crazy theory do you have that shows that we're in trouble?

Well, the New York Times says it.

They tried to convince him that Western civilization was under threat from Muslim immigrants.

Oh,

okay.

So, Muslim immigrants.

I don't think I've ever said it's under attack from Muslim immigrants.

I do believe I have said several times: we don't know who people are who are in our own country.

We have no idea who they are.

Just last week, the biggest group of Africans came across our border.

Do we know who they were?

No.

No.

I just told you last week that a bunch of people came from the Congo.

They don't even speak English or Spanish.

They're now living on the streets in San Antonio.

San Antonio issued a request.

Does anybody know how to speak French that can work with the homeless here?

Because we don't speak French.

Now, I'm not saying either one of those groups are terrorist groups.

We don't know who they are.

How did a group of people that don't speak a common tongue on this continent

from a poor country in Africa gather up enough money to go into an airport and fly on that flying machine that most likely none of them have ever flown on anywhere?

Not to see grandma or anything else.

They flew to Mexico.

Then, somehow or another, without speaking a word of English or Spanish, they got over our border.

How did that happen?

Boy, these guys are clever.

Why are they living on the street?

They should be working for NASA because there's some obvious rocket science that they understand that we don't.

I wish we had somebody who spoke French so we can find out how they did that all by themselves

and now are seemingly so hopeless and so helpless that they're just wasting away on our sidewalks.

They also say that they convinced him that America was under threat from cultural Marxists.

No!

Marxism and the free market system, they go hand in hand.

It's like you got chocolate chocolate in my peanut butter.

No, no, you've got peanut butter in my chocolate.

I kept falling deeper and deeper into this, and it appeared to me, because it made me, it gave me a sense of belonging, that it was good, but I

was brainwashed.

You know where we get the brainwashing thing?

The Marxists.

Just thought I'd throw that in.

Over the years of reporting on internet culture, this is from the reporter.

I've heard countless versions of McCain's story.

A nameless young man, usually white, frequently interested in video games, visits YouTube just looking for direction or distraction, but he is seduced by a community of far-right creators.

This never happens on the left.

This never happens with ISIS, Al-Qaeda.

How dare you say they're trying to recruit people?

Oh my gosh, you are so anti-Islam, I can't be your friend anymore.

In fact, I should start a group to make sure you're banned from everything.

Oh my gosh, I've got to ban you to save freedom.

Some men discover far-right videos by accident, while others seek them out.

Some travel all the way to neo-Nazism,

while others stop at mild forms of bigotry.

Oh my gosh.

So some make it all the way to national

socialism.

National socialism?

I think National Socialism is Marxist, which would be on the left.

No, no, no, no, no.

What am I thinking?

Whoa!

That college brainwashing almost

was just ineffective there for a minute.

I'm sorry.

Nazis who were socialists, they're on the right.

Oh man, I forgot.

Silly rabbit tricks are for kids.

The common thread in many of these stories is YouTube recommendation algorithm.

Now, Glenn,

you don't really want to see videos of you or the Blaze or some of your friends and what they're saying.

You don't want to really see that.

You want to see yet another Jay Leno garage video.

Because that's where your time should be spent.

Not looking for any kind of political discussion.

Now, now, if you want the young Turks, we can serve that up.

This is not far from reality, as you will find in this beautiful front-page story on the New York Times.

It takes three whole pages

to tell us exactly what's happening at YouTube and who the alt-right really is,

and what YouTube and others are now starting to do about it.

We'll pick it up here in just a second, one minute.

So, what does dad really want for Father's Day?

I'm going to be real honest with you, and I'm turning into that guy.

When I was in my 20s, I was not this guy.

What do you want for Father's Day?

This, this, this, and this.

But now that I'm getting a little older, I just really want, and I can't believe it, my parents weren't lying to me.

Oh, I don't want anything, honey.

I just want to be with you.

Oh, I hated that answer, but they weren't lying.

They really did.

did.

Weirdos.

Anyway, that's where I'm at.

I just want time with my family.

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All right, so

what are these young boys who are being trapped by the alt-right?

What are they to do?

Who are they?

Well, the New York Times says the radicalization of young men is driven by a complex stew of emotional, economic, and political elements.

Many having nothing to do with social media.

Nothing at all.

Many of these things.

Nothing.

Don't even look at social media.

Don't look at the mainstream media.

Just look at the hypnotizing alt-right.

But critics and independent researchers say YouTube has inadvertently created a dangerous on-ramp to extremism by combining two things.

A business model that rewards provocative videos with exposure and advertising dollar and an algorithm that guides users down personalized paths meant to keep them glued to their screens.

Okay, so wait a minute, wait a minute.

Because this is a totally new concept.

I'm trying to understand.

So what YouTube did,

help me out here because I'm a dummy.

What YouTube did is they created something

where the creators were incentivized to do things that were more and more outrageous, if I understand this right,

so people would come back for more.

Huh.

That is totally new.

Because that's not like the old media.

You know?

That's not like TV or movies or,

you know, Survivor or anything like that.

That's not like, that doesn't happen in cable news.

CNN, MSNBC, Fox, they never do anything that pushes the envelope just to get ratings.

I've never heard anybody in the mainstream media, even the New York Times, I've never heard anybody saying they're just doing this for ratings.

You know what I'm saying?

So this is a totally new concept that YouTube came up with.

There's no one who could have thought that one through and went, Well, wait a minute, that might be incentivizing people to do crazier stuff, you know, like putting a video.

This would never happen, putting a video of like some kid on a trampoline jumping off a roof onto the trampoline.

That's never going to encourage other kids to do that.

What is the New York Times saying?

I'm trying to wrap my arms around it.

It's so revolutionary what they've done.

But I digress.

It has been a useful recruiting tool for far-right extremism.

No one else, just the far-right.

YouTube has been able to fly under the radar because until recently, no one thought of it as a place of radicalization happening.

No,

I certainly didn't.

I didn't see what my kids were watching on YouTube and go, good God Almighty, what are you watching?

That didn't happen.

My kids, here's the thing.

Everybody, everybody, remember when you were growing up and you were like seven or eight and you saw your first hardcore porn?

Do you remember that?

When you were just accidentally, you know, just stumbled in and you saw just horrible bestiality videos and things like that.

Oh, man.

I remember.

I don't remember that.

Gee, no one saw that this might

affect kids?

Because I did.

No, no, no.

They flew under the radar.

But it's where young people are getting their information and entertainment.

And it's a space where creators are broadcasting political content that at times is overtly white supremacist.

Wow.

Huh.

Wow.

How are we going to?

I just want to take a break and I want you just to think of all of the things we've learned from the New York Times so far.

Because there's no other problems happening with this.

This is, this is, they created a space where everyone could express themselves, but then people on the right started to express themselves and it became popular.

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Well, hello, America.

The election is happening now.

Whether we like it or not, we know what the press are

going to do when it gets down to it with

Donald Trump.

But right now, they seem pretty intent on destroying Bernie Sanders.

Kind of interesting.

We're going to take a look at the current polls: who's starting to surge, who's way back.

Also, we're going to look at Stu's roster,

his look at the poll numbers.

He has a slightly different look at that.

Coming up in one minute.

This is the Glenbeck program.

Joe Biden leads the pack, and Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and Pete Budajudge are in close competition for second place.

Now, 24% of Iowa's likely Democrat caucus goers say former vice president

Biden is their first choice for president.

Sanders is the first choice for 16% of poll respondents, while Warren, the Massachusetts senator, crazy woman, and Buddha Judge,

Mayor of South Bend, are at 15 and 14%,

respectively.

Another candidate that cracks the double digits is no one.

California Senator Kamala Harris comes closest at 7%.

percent.

Klobuchar comes in at 2%,

as does O'Rourke, who says,

we're just getting started.

We're just getting started.

Yeah, I know.

I mean, it's a long road, but you happen to be on the road to nowhere.

But I know you're just getting started on your trip to nowhere.

Now,

this is what is happening.

The interesting thing is, Warren is the first choice among 15% of the voters, second choice among 14, and 32% are actively considering her according to the latest polls.

That puts her at a virtual tie with Biden.

Warren is also neck and neck with Bernie Sanders and Pete Buddhajudge.

Biden remains at 24%,

the clear frontrunner, Sanders at 16.

So

you're looking at this.

The problem is that Sanders doesn't have a lot of people looking at him outside of the pool.

So he's coming in second, but

he's not very many people's second choice, and that's really going to hurt him.

Now, Stu does

his weekly or

bi-monthly look at the polls at this point, and he takes into consideration a lot of different things, and Pat has a look at that.

Yeah, he takes into consideration polling, the prediction markets, fundraising.

So how much have they raised?

What are the fundamentals?

I'm not sure what all goes into fundamentals, media coverage, and more.

He takes into account like 30 different categories.

So, there's a lot that goes into this.

And then he rates the candidates on a score from 0 to 100.

And coming in at number 24, making his debut on the charts, is Mike Gravel.

Now, you might think, I'm sorry, who?

Mike Gravelle has not been around for a while.

In fact, the month that Ronald Reagan moved into the White House for the first time, Mike Gravelle was leaving his last government job.

So that was 1981.

He was a senator from Alaska from 1969 to 1981 and has not been in public office since.

So,

wait, what?

Did they dig him back up?

I don't know his story.

It's alive.

He was drafted, Glenn, into this race.

And when we say drafted, somebody asked him to run on social media once.

So he jumped in.

So he jumped in.

Now,

Mike is a youthful 89 years old, meaning when he takes office, he'd be close to 91.

So you talk about experience.

Mike Ravel's got it in spades.

Well, at least he's not just another white man.

Right, exactly.

Well, yes, he is another white man, but he's very.

No, no, no, no.

At this point, he's turning a little greenish

and blue in some areas, like his hair.

Yes.

But when asked what he'd do to change the country, Gravel was quoted as saying,

So I'm kind of sold.

You know what we should do is find the oldest living human being in the United States and just annoying him, our leader.

You know, at least then he'd have an excuse for all the madness that spills out of him.

And you'd just go, well, he's old.

So, of course, he feels that way.

So, maybe, maybe this is our guy.

Can we skip up to the relevant players?

I mean, sure, it's fine.

You're saying Mike Revelle's not relevant?

I'm, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Wow.

All right.

Well, let's...

Let's then move up to, what, the top 10?

You want to hear that?

Yeah.

All right.

Let's see.

Coming in at number 10,

it's a long way to scroll.

Julian Castro is the first one in the top 10 at number 10.

He was 10th last time.

He's 10th now.

He's at 34.5%.

Now, his claim to fame is he was mayor of San Antonio years ago, and then he was the HUD director for a while.

So

his big deal is, let's fight for $15.

Okay, that's your big

campaign issue is we're going to do the minimum wage at $15 an hour.

So

good luck for closing down every single fast food joint in America.

Yeah, no, have you been to McDonald's lately?

That barely needs people anymore.

I will tell you that I don't think that's his, I don't think that's his big deal.

I think his big deal is I'm young, I'm good-looking, and I've been groomed by the Obama administration to be a young, good-looking, Hispanic candidate.

He's really, though, despite all of that, that he has going for him, and he did seem to be,

he did seem to be like the heir apparent to Obama at one point.

They used to talk about him as if

he was the next big thing, and that just hasn't really materialized for him yet.

You know, I don't think you can do that anymore.

I was watching a speech by Mitt Romney, and I thought, that seems like so 1965.

Doesn't it, though?

I just don't, yeah, it just doesn't seem like those are the kind of people that are going to be leading us.

Kirsten Gillibrand is number nine.

She was ninth last time, too.

She's at 36.7.

You know, this is a big New York senator.

She's done.

She's just, I think she's already done.

Yeah, I think she's out of this thing before it even starts.

Amy Klobuchar is at number eight at 41.9 rating.

Now, she's supposed to be the moderate in this race, but nobody knows anything about her unless you live in Minnesota.

And so she's getting no traction either.

Thank God we don't.

Yes.

Corey Booker,

51.6%,

number seven.

He's a big gun control guy.

In fact, he would confiscate guns if it was up to him.

He said so.

He would go door to door, perhaps, and remove guns from people's homes, which would...

Well, with the way things are going now, it will be up to the next president whether we have guns or not.

I mean, that's kind of the system we're headed for: is like, hey, what do you want to do today?

I don't know.

Let's ban all people who are left-handed.

Okay.

At number six, Robert Francis O'Rourke, who has lost, as you mentioned, a ton of momentum.

He's gone backwards from about 13%

to now 2%

nationally.

He's at 2% or 3% nationally.

I think he was at...

He's just getting started going backward.

He is.

You're right.

He'll be at zero before too long.

He's got some serious momentum.

Did you see the turnout at the church he spoke at yesterday in Iowa?

He was like, nobody there.

No one was there.

And it's interesting that it happened to be in Waterloo, Iowa.

That may be his Waterloo.

He is going the wrong way.

At number five on the list of Stu's list of power rankings, Elizabeth Warren, who actually does seem to have some momentum going forward.

I thought she was done from the beginning, but she's actually kind of kicked into gear with this.

I have a plan for that thing.

She's got a plan for everything.

And if there's one thing I love, it's a government intervention in every aspect of our lives.

I think we're all looking for that right now.

So she's at number five at 53.4%.

Kamala Harris is at number four, 65.9%.

She wants equal pay for women.

Of course,

she continues to

beat that dead horse that

women make 79 cents on the dollar for

every dollar that men make.

It's just so dishonest.

I can't take the dishonesty of

either side, but it's usually the left that is just lying to people.

Well, to the extent that even the Washington Post has discredited and given it two or three Pinocchios.

They've called it essentially a lie.

It's not true.

There's too many factors that go in that they don't take into account.

And they continue to hammer these numbers that just aren't accurate.

At number three.

Can I tell you something?

Yeah.

Hang on.

Can I tell you something?

This is so ridiculous.

I just listening to you say,

even the Washington Post gave it two or three Pinocchios.

We're in in the fight for our country's life, and we're like, and they got a Pinocchio on that one.

So

it's just ridiculous.

And now, coming in at number three, here's Casey with the count.

It's a little bit surprising.

At number three on Stu's power list, and keep in mind, this is not just based on polling, but all kinds of other factors, like 29 other factors.

So Bernie Sanders.

And four out of five doctors.

Recommend Bernie Sanders for socialists who love socialism.

And it's a pretty solid choice when you see the fruits of socialism right now in front of our very eyes every day on the news, and you see that they can't even take showers anymore in Venezuela.

Showers are a luxury in Venezuela.

But if you want that kind, if you want that here in the United States, vote Bernie Sanders, who's number three this week on the power rating, 69.2%.

Can I say, we're going to get into what Bernie Sanders said about socialism and the lies

that are coming out of his mouth with the audio proof that he deserves a couple of Pinocchios.

Okay, so at number two, this is a surprise,

but he does seem to have momentum right now.

Pete Buddha Judge at number two.

He's up from fourth last time.

So obviously he doesn't have the numbers.

I think in Iowa, he's got his best showing so far.

He was at 14%, if I'm not mistaken.

It was Biden, 24,

Bernie, 16,

Elizabeth Warren, 15, and Buddha Judge, 14%.

So

that's pretty impressive.

This is from a guy who was the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and nobody's ever heard of until, what, two, three months ago.

But he's really well spoken.

He's really smooth on the campaign trail.

He seems to be reasonable.

I think he's just as extreme as the rest, but he just says it better.

Yeah, he is.

Yeah,

he seems normal.

However, let me just say this.

We learned this from Barack Hussein Obama.

America's never going to elect a guy with a funny last name.

We elected a guy with the name of one of our most hated enemies at the time.

The guy we're trying to kill, and yet we're close-minded.

Wait a minute.

Barack Hussein Obama, a guy who lived in the Muslim world for a...

Yeah, but we're too hateful.

We're way too hateful.

Way too hateful.

We're racist and we're hateful.

We're homophobic.

Here's a guy who is the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who is,

I mean, the darling of the United States of America right now.

And the media, they love him.

They love his husband.

They love him.

They love the fact that he's gay and he's running.

And it just, you know, this identity politics might actually get him nominated in the Democrat Party.

I think it could happen.

At the beginning of this, I didn't think there was any way Pete Buttigieg

would even raise to 5%.

And here he is.

Here he is at number two on the power poll.

And then, of course, obviously, Joe Biden, number one.

Joe Biden is kind of running away and hiding from everybody.

He was the only one who wasn't in Iowa over the weekend and late last week.

He's going to be there by himself tomorrow.

He's not participating in any of these multi-format candidate debates.

Well, he's going to be in the debates that are coming out in two weeks, but he's not showing up

at these forums in the various states like Iowa.

He just doesn't believe he has to, and I don't think he does either.

I think it's better the less he hears.

I the less people hear from him, the better he is, like Hillary.

Remember, that was the, I know, but this was the Hillary strategy.

Yes.

Remember?

And then she got onto her van tour where she was like, oh my gosh, keep the windows closed.

I'm surrounded by peasants.

I'm surrounded by pig farmers are all about.

You never know when one will spring from the bushes.

But it worked in the Democrat Party.

She got the nomination.

You know, it might work for Joe.

I don't.

I'm hopeful that there's nobody in this field who can beat Trump.

I just gotta, I gotta continue to hang on to that.

Otherwise,

you know, you don't hold up much, much hope for the, for the country.

If any of these people, including Biden, if any of them win,

we're gonna have a tough time recovering from that.

I don't want to say we don't recover from it because you and I both, Pat, you and I have been the most surprised at what this country has endured.

Yes.

Yeah.

We endured Obama,

a Marxist,

and we were pretty doubtful.

I remember this, in 2008 and 2009, we thought that might be it.

But fortunately, no president has the power on his own to change America that much.

Now, he started that fundamental transformation that he talked about five days before the election, but he didn't finish it.

It's up to these guys now to try to finish it, and that's what they're trying to do.

And I think they could.

One of the most disturbing things that I have seen is: you know, that this campaign to get rid of the Electoral College is now at 15 states, and

it has momentum.

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So the latest on Bernie Sanders,

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders falsely claimed on Sunday that he has spent his whole life

fighting against authoritarian regimes despite his repeated support for brutal socialist countries.

During an interview on CNN's State of the Union, he said, I think it's important for the American people to understand my definition of democratic socialism.

Okay.

Well,

let's,

do we have that audio by any chance?

He's always fought against it.

I think Bernie says he's always fought against Soviet Union, Venezuela.

Listen to this.

I think it's important for the American people to understand what my definition is of democratic socialism.

It's certainly not how Donald Trump defines it.

I've spent my whole life fighting for democracy, fighting against authoritarianism, whether it was in the Soviet Union, Venezuela, or anyplace else.

What?

Wait, wait,

wait a minute.

What?

Let's just take Venezuela.

He has fought against dictators his whole life.

Let me play two pieces of audio.

Bernie Sanders refuses to tell Jorge Ramos

to call Maduro to step down.

Before you go, I want to ask about Venezuela.

Do you consider Juan Guaido the legitimate president of Venezuela?

No, I think what has to happen right now, I think there are serious questions about the recent election.

There are many people who feel it was a fraudulent election.

And I think the United States has got to work with the international community to make sure that there is a free and fair election in Venezuela.

So is Nicolas Maduro the care senator for you?

And should he go?

I think clearly he has been very, very abusive.

That is a decision of the Venezuelan people.

That's not fighting against a dictator.

That's not fighting against a dictator.

Play the next clip, refusing to call Maduro a dictator.

Why have you stopped short of calling Maduro of Venezuela a dictator?

Well,

I think

it's fair to say that the last election was undemocratic,

but there are still democratic operations taking place in that country.

The point is, what I am calling for right now

is

internationally supervised free elections.

And I do find it interesting that Trump is very concerned about what goes on in Venezuela.

But what about the last election that took place in Saudi Arabia?

Oh, there wasn't.

So he's going after Saudi Arabia, which has been like this since the beginning of time.

And that's fine.

I don't want to be in bed with Saudi Arabia, and I don't excuse anything that goes on in Saudi Arabia.

But the people

had freedom recently in Venezuela, and this guy has grabbed power.

Now, how does Bernie Sanders look at power?

I'm going to play the montage of Geppetto is whittling Pinocchios right now.

Listen to this montage of

how he has fought against these totalitarian regimes his whole life.

But I remember, for some reason or other, being very excited when Fidel Castro made the revolution in Cuba.

And I was a kid and I remember reading that.

And it was just seemed right and appropriate that poor people were rising up against rather ugly rich people.

And there was Kennedy and Nixon talking about which particular method they should use about destroying the revolution.

And I remember the irony is we learned the history later on.

Kennedy was saying that Nixon was too soft on communism.

Let me pick up a point that Rick was making in Cuba.

We should deal firmly with Fidel Castro.

And usually I'm sufficiently unemotional not to be sick, but I actually got up from the room and almost left the puke.

People are concerned about the state of the world.

If many of us are concerned that our kids are not going to grow up and live a normal life because there's a nuclear war, you say, who's to blame?

Let's blame somebody.

Who do we want to to blame?

Why is there a policy in this country which is producing more and more nuclear weapons, which is increasingly antagonistic to the Soviet Union, which is trying to destroy Nicaragua?

How do we change that policy?

I think it's also fair to point out that when we were in Moscow, for example, I think most of the people here also were extremely impressed by their public transportation system.

The stations themselves were absolutely beautiful,

including many works of art, chandeliers that were beautiful.

It was a very, very effective system.

Also, I was impressed by the youth programs that they have, their palaces of culture for the young people, a whole variety of

programs for young people.

How do you find the sincerity of Sandinista leaders?

I was impressed.

I was impressed by Father Descoto, because he is a very gentle, very loving man.

Watega is an impressive guy.

Did you have suggestions for them how they could organize their PR a little bit more effectively?

I think it's, yes.

I mean, the point that I try to make to many of the people that I spoke to is they're getting killed in the American media.

They just cannot compete.

Reagan and his people are so sophisticated.

They own the airwaves, of course.

Reagan, the media, every time Reagan gives them a photo opportunity, thousands, thank you, Mr.

President, thank you very much for telling us another lie.

You know, the media, of course, is not allowed to ask sharp questions of the President.

That's not allowed.

And, you know, my point to Ortega is they are not getting their message of what they are trying to do out to the American people.

Okay, so there's,

let me just summarize.

He was very excited that there was somebody that was going to crush, quote, the very ugly rich people in Cuba.

He had to leave the room to puke when people said,

I think Castro is a dictator and what are we going to do about it?

He had to leave the room to puke.

Any nuclear war would be the fault of the United States, but that's only because the Soviet Union had beautiful transportation.

You know, just beautiful, very effective transportation.

You know, it's like saying to the, it's like saying to the Germans, yeah, but the train system they developed was remarkable.

Yeah, it all lead into death camps, but it was a remarkable train system.

Because in his case, he said, because they had chandeliers.

Oh.

Okay.

Well, did you see any of the prisons with the political prisoners?

Did they have chandeliers?

He said they also had young people programs, which I think should be,

I believe it's pronounced program, but maybe it's just me.

Ortega was a good guy, and the American media was in bed with Ronald Reagan.

For anyone, and I know it's fewer and fewer, for anyone who thinks the American media was in bed with Reagan, that's like saying the American media is in bed with Donald Trump.

They hated him.

Hated him.

So I want to remind you

his definition of democratic socialism.

Because he says, you know, it's not what Trump says.

He's making me into a cartoon character.

Really?

Because I want to show you the friends around.

Bernie Sanders.

These are the people running his campaign.

His campaign director is an absolute Islamist anti-Semite.

He is

a guy who flirts with the most radical of radicals.

His foreign affairs director is an absolute anti-Semite.

In fact,

those two, the campaign manager and the foreign affairs guy, they were asked by the Obama administration, can you guys get away from us because you're writing anti-Semitic things on your blog posts.

His speech writer is a democratic socialist that believes in the redistribution of money and land and the takeover of industry.

Well, that's about as Soviet as you can get.

His national organizing

president was arrested in 2002 for organizing and participating in an anti-IMF and World Bank, which I, you know, look, I don't like those two organizations either myself, but also part of Justice Democrats.

They wrote the new Green Deal.

She taught leftists in Spain how to organize and how to get on the streets.

She also

organized the anti-Semitic socialists

by the name of

Jeremy Corbyn in England, which, if you know anything about him, he's a radical socialist.

The political director for Bernie Sanders is a socialist from Venezuela who says, no, at least the people in Venezuela can eat.

The people in New Jersey are far worse off than Venezuela, which is, I mean, Geppetto, can you make another Pinocchio, please?

She organized the Working Families Party, which basically is

Acorn again.

SCIU.

She's she's put all of these groups together, and she knows how to get the ground to mobilize.

She is the one that has put a lot of these policies into practice.

The abortion policy in New York,

she was responsible for a lot of that happening.

And the senior policy advisor is a professor, she's a sociologist at Fordham University.

She not only

is agreeing with Venezuela, but she was behind the scenes and may be one of the organizing principals of Occupy Wall Street.

And the only reason why we say that is because of past interviews, and that's pretty much what she said when she went to the University of Tehran in Iran to badmouth America and to hold up Occupy Wall Street.

That's his advisory board and the people actually running his campaign.

So if he tries to make himself out to be, oh, I'm just a guy like you, while shucks, I was on the back of my tractor just the other day thinking about how much I love this country.

Don't buy it.

Democratic socialists always try to do the same thing.

And even when they fail, they'll say, it was a failed socialist experiment.

Show me the socialist experiments that work.

And I'm not talking about big welfare states, because if you look to Sweden, and that's not what any of these people working with Bernie Sanders or Bernie Sanders wants, they want an end, in their own words, to the free market system.

Sweden and the Netherlands has a free market system.

It is capitalist, more capitalist at this point than we are.

It just happens to have a giant socialist welfare state.

There's a huge difference, huge difference.

And they're trying to tell you that there is no difference.

There is.

Democratic socialists here in America want to end the free market system.

No ifs, ands, or buts.

They're on record saying it.

So please, don't tell me, Bernie Sanders, about how you work so hard against people like the Soviet Union.

You practically were taking a paycheck from the Soviet Union.

You tried to prop them up and

vilify America every step of the way.

Now, maybe in some places in America, that will make you qualified for being president,

but not in any place that I've been recently outside of a city.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

So we're talking about the most believed conspiracy theories in the United States.

And

the number one conspiracy theory is at 47%.

And I don't think you're ever going to stop this one from people believing that it's real.

And that is that Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone in assassinating JFK.

But I think that can go many places.

Now, the Warren Commission said he absolutely acted alone, but that's exactly what they want you to believe.

I don't lose any sleep on this, and I could go either way, and I'd be fine.

But I'm not sure if we got the truth, but

I would tend to fall on the

Oswald acted alone.

However, there were other people that may have aided in some way or another,

even if they weren't connected to Oswald, because he did have so many enemies.

Kennedy had a lot of enemies, and they had a lot of power.

And so,

but I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist on JFK.

Do you?

Pat?

Pretty close.

I think I'm pretty close.

Really?

Yeah, I think there was, you know, they've said there was nobody else.

He acted alone.

That's what the Warren Commission came out with.

But I don't believe that.

So is that conspiracy theory?

I think somebody else had something to do with it, whether it be the Russians or the mob, again, or LBJ.

Let's just say it was the Russians and the Cubans, because they would have been the same thing at the time.

You know, I could see them winding him up

and saying, you know, you should do this or you should do that.

But

sending over another shooter or things like that, I just don't.

All of the

Zapruder film to me

is seals it up that there wasn't a second shooter.

I know that opens it up for everybody else, but you know, I saw somebody say, and this is so dangerous with these digital fakes, somebody told me the other day, have you seen the Zapruder film?

If you look, you will see that the driver actually bends down, picks something up, and it's a gun.

I've heard that he shoots him.

Okay, stop.

You don't believe that happened?

You don't believe a driver?

No, I don't.

No, I don't.

That's weird.

However, I will tell you this.

A guy with very high clearance, he was one of the first guys for the Bay of Pigs.

He was there.

He knew Bobby Kennedy.

He knew John F.

Kennedy.

And he knew Che.

He was the guy sent down by the CIA to represent the United States on Che Guevara on capturing him and killing him.

And we're having a conversation in one of my podcasts.

And in the middle of it, he just comes out with this.

Listen.

Bobby Kennedy was different than his brother.

He seemed like a decent guy.

When we were working the operation in Central America with our team in Costa Rica and Nicaragua running raids against Cuba in 1964-65, Bobby Kenny was liaison between us and the CIA for that operation.

And when the president was assassinated, our team went to see him in Washington.

The first two words that he told him said, My brother had two big enemies, the mafia and Fidel Castro.

And I believe it was the last one who assassinated him.

And what do you think?

I think so.

I think that the president...

You don't think that it was Lee Harvey Oswald or?

It was Lee Harbig with another shooter who probably was a Cuban captain who was expert in shooting and also spoke fluent

English, Fabian Escalante, who was in Dallas that day.

And then it's documented that he left in a private plane for Mexico after the assassination.

Of course, even I saw one time in the paper one assistant of President Johnson claiming they did have information from the Bureau of the Cuban participation on the assassination of the president.

And they had to cover it up for national security reasons.

If they had to admit that a country like Cuba had participated in the assassination of an American president, they had no choice but to invade.

I mean, is that not incredible?

Wow.

I mean, he has the name of the guy.

Yeah.

And said he was in Dallas at the time.

Yeah.

I mean, you could probably.

And it was just like, and that was a, that was just a, oh, yeah, by the way.

Oh, yeah, I've got the evidence on the Kennedy assassination.

Like, wow.

I looked at him and I was like, I don't know if that helps your credibility or hurts your credibility, but thank you very much for sharing.

So now here's the second biggest conspiracy theory that

we believe in the United States.

29%

believe there is a, now listen to this, believe there's a deep state working against the U.S.

President Donald Trump and his supporters.

That's not even for the conspiracy theory, is it?

I don't think so.

I mean, I believe that.

It just depends on how you.

If you're defining deep state as a

star chamber, you're crazy.

But if you believe that it is the

old guard,

for instance, the

State Department, and if you believe that it's the State Department as part of it, there's evidence that they did this to Truman over Israel.

I mean, they got into a fight with him over Israel and they almost took him out.

And they said they were going to.

And I think there's clear evidence on many presidents.

I mean, George Bush said to me

in the Oval Office, don't worry, whoever sits behind that desk is going to be advised by the same people and they're going to give them the same options and they'll realize quickly that that's the only thing they can do.

Well, if you have that kind of power over any president, you're not going to give that up.

Some guy comes in and says, you know what, I'm not listening to you.

I don't care what you say.

Of course they're going to do everything they can to destroy that guy.

Is that unreasonable to believe?

No, I don't think so.

But like you said, if you chalk it up to the Illuminati or, you know, New World Order stuff like the Council of Foreign Relations, that kind of stuff, then

you're going to be labeled a conspiracy theorist.

But if it's just the old guard,

that's not his conspiracy theory.

Now you've taken me down the road of

the Council of Foreign Relations, which

you weren't thinking of that before.

No,

I mean, I don't believe the Council of Foreign Relations.

I don't know about the Council of Foreign Relations at this time.

I just know the history, And that is exactly what they were supposed to do.

They were supposed to take academia and the media and put them together so they could teach the American people how stupid they were and how much they needed these certain policies.

Right.

Right.

So

that is kind of beyond the that is kind of in the deep state category.

It is.

Would you?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah.

so

that makes you a conspiracy theorist right there huh I guess I guess with the deep state thing

the government hiding aliens I don't believe but I do think they know more

9-11 was an inside job.

I don't believe that, but I do believe that Sandy Berger took some things out of his underpants that I sure would like to know what it was about right after 9-11.

Oh, absolutely.

I mean, everybody knows that.

I mean, that's not even fact.

I mean, he was arrested.

That's fact.

Yeah.

So, what was he taking out?

I'm sure it wasn't recipes.

But it sure was interesting, wasn't it, that both sides were in on that?

That everybody wanted Clinton.

Clinton and Bush.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Yep.

Clinton and Bush.

Climate change is a hoax.

I don't think climate change is a hoax.

I think the solutions are a hoax.

Illuminati secretly controls the world.

No, I don't think so, but I do believe it's a lot of people.

You believe it's the the Builder Burgers, right?

No, it's the Waterburgers.

Oh, okay.

All right.

It's the Waterburgers.

Yeah.

The government is using chemtrails.

No.

And the moon landing was faked.

No.

So I guess,

I mean, I

kind of deep.

Kind of deep state, right?

So the top two.

Kind of aliens.

And kind of aliens.

Wow.

What was the percentage on the

percentage on the aliens?

Aliens 27.

But again, that's not thinking there's alien bodies being

autopsies.

Right.

I would like to, you know what?

I'm going to put together a poll on these things, but I'm going to word them the way I would word them.

That climate change is real,

but climate is always changing.

I don't believe the

solutions currently proposed are about climate, they're about power.

9-11 was not an inside job.

However, there were those in power that didn't want to show relationships, and that's why Sandy Berger did what he did.

The government is not hiding aliens in Area 51.

However,

I believe they know more

about UFOs than they have let on.

I mean, if you word them that way,

it's not really a conspiracy theory, is it?

Not to me, but I think most people would say yes.

Yes, that's a conspiracy theory.

Do you think so?

I think if you don't believe the status quo,

the Warren Commission on JFK, then you believe a conspiracy theory.

Don't you?

Isn't it?

Well, that one I kind of do.

That one I do.

Me too.

And if you don't believe a consensus on climate change, you're a conspiracy theorist.

What you said is just it's not okay.

It's not okay to believe that, yes, it's warmed, but it's not catastrophic and it's not all man-caused.

You have to believe all of those things.

You have to be in lockstep with the left, or you're a conspiracy theorist.

Correct.

And that's the problem with all of these.

I generally agree that these are conspiracy theories.

However, there's nuance to each of those that make me go, well, I'm not really sure.

And isn't being skeptical of the establishment line,

shouldn't it be the liberals that would be the closest to that?

It used to be pretty much mandatory.

It was.

Right.

Yeah.

And for good reason, we started this conversation because

we're both watching Chernobyl, and it's really fantastic, really fantastic.

And two things come out.

One, the Russians are going to remake it themselves.

They're really pissed at the way we made that movie.

Which I thought it was handled pretty fairly for them.

Didn't you?

I thought so too.

Yeah.

I thought Gorbachev looked good.

Yeah, he did.

He looked fine.

I think the guy who I hated at first, the guy from the council, I thought he looked really good.

And all of them are just working within the system that they didn't create.

And if they would have done anything about that, they all would have been executed.

Yes.

So, I mean, what are you going to do in that system?

But they're going to remake it, and they're going to remake it as the CIA was the one who

blew up Chernobyl, which is ridiculous.

So, we started on that.

And the other point on Chernobyl, if you watch it, is the state is never wrong.

And that's the difference between us and other countries like this former Soviet Union.

You don't have to believe what the state says.

You're not shut down by the state.

In fact, you become more skeptical if the state tells you this is settled and we're not talking about it anymore.

How did we get here to where

it's politically incorrect to

question a government that has done all kinds of things in the last hundred years that have not been what we thought they were?

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