Manipulated to Give Up? | Guests: Andy McCarthy, Joe Bastardi, & Cliff Maloney | 5/30/19

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You're not alone.

You're not alone.

And I haven't said this in a long time because I haven't really felt it this way, but we surround them.

We do.

We surround them.

I want to talk to you about the crazies that are out and the small number.

But they happen to have very large megaphones right now.

And so they are making you feel very alone but you're not you're not and i'm going to start with a little bit uh of wikipedia a little bit of bernie sanders and an awful lot

a heaping handful

of uh

of chris cuomo

we go there in one minute

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I'm so I I I don't I don't watch cable news anymore and I don't watch cable news anymore because I can't take it I mean it's I know exactly what they were going to say yesterday if you watched it you knew exactly what they were going to say It didn't matter.

The truth doesn't seem to matter.

Nobody's really looking for the truth.

And we feel overwhelmed between Facebook, Google, even Wikipedia.

We've done the last couple of shows on television, we did short segments on who Wikipedia really is.

You know,

right now, we are giving our intellectual

power

over

to two companies, Google and Wikipedia.

Well, we know who Google is, but try to sit in a room and say to somebody, oh, what was the name of that guy that was in that movie?

With

somebody will Google it.

Try to go a day without Google.

And once it's said on Google, that's true.

No matter what the topic is, if Google has produced that result, that's absolutely true.

And we are being manipulated.

But not only that, we are giving up our intellectual power because our power is being externalized.

We're taking our knowledge and externalizing it.

We're giving it to someone else.

And we are losing that muscle of being able to find truth, to know and recognize the truth.

That's the real problem in America.

People don't know how to find it.

They don't know how to recognize it.

They don't even believe that it exists anymore unless it comes from Google or Wikipedia.

We spent the last couple of days just looking at Wikipedia and what they say and who is editing Wikipedia.

This thing is so frequently used that it's as if we took

the entire population of the world and everybody visited it twice a month.

Now think of that.

That's how much it's being used.

So what is it?

Who's making these edits?

Well, you have 1,400 people that are responsible for most of Wikipedia.

1,400 people.

And if you look at the leaders of that, they're all communist, Marxist, Antifa members.

I mean, they're all people that do not agree with you.

1,400 people

are the ones that are compiling the world's knowledge, and they're not like you.

You feel alone because it's so huge.

But there are very few people that are doing it.

Tonight on television, we're going to go to Bernie Sanders, and I'm going to show you who Bernie Sanders is surrounding himself with.

Forget everything you think about Bernie Sanders.

Forget about it.

What we're going to expose tonight and on Monday, it's a two-parter,

is remarkable.

The people he has surrounded himself with are some of the worst people out there.

Now, remember, I'm the guy who said, hey, Donald Trump, he says he surrounds himself with the best, but he doesn't.

Steve Bannon and pretty much all the people who have caused any of the problems that he got rid of right away, those were the people we said, this is the real problem.

Look who he's surrounding himself with.

And he figured that out pretty quickly and got rid of all of those people.

Bernie Sanders

has worse people around him.

And there's no chance of these people going away because these are the people that are actually causing the split in the Democratic Party that no one else will talk about.

What we're going to show you tonight on television at 5 o'clock on Bernie Sanders is more important, really, for Democrats to watch

than it is even you because you're not going to vote for Bernie Sanders.

I'm not going to vote for Bernie Sanders, but there's going to be a lot of people that do vote for Bernie Sanders, and they will have no idea

what he really believes based on who he has put in charge of his policies and his campaign.

It is a terrifying look,

but it is the same kind of people.

I just said to the researchers two days ago as we were looking into this,

they brought me, you know, the latest stuff, and I said, go a step further

because you've tracked this back to 2008.

I can guarantee you that we're going to find the same people that we were talking about in 2008 as their mentors.

It's a very small group of people that are trying to tell the masses something that we never have used in America.

We've never described the American people as the masses.

But the masses are what is being discussed by many of these democratic socialists.

What we have to do for the masses.

And they're forgetting the individual.

And they do it because they think that it is their arrogance.

It is their arrogance that will be their undoing.

There is this cocoon that these Marxist socialist progressives live in where they control the intellectual debate.

and the intellectual neighborhood.

Everybody who owns a house in the intellectual neighborhood all those people they're all on board and they make sure that no one else moves into that neighborhood

they also control the media and hollywood

and they make sure that no one else i i read an article from cnn uh last night that actually said

that the mainstream media

looked very different than fox news and they actually put put Fox News out of the mainstream media, which in some ways I agree with.

However, they're more mainstream than CNN.

More people are watching Fox News and more diverse than watching CNN.

You have liberals watching Fox News.

How many people that are conservative are watching CNN?

How many of us can even take CNN anymore?

And they're living in this cocoon where they just protect each other and they grow more and more arrogant because they live truly in an echo chamber.

Now, many of us on the right live in an echo chamber too, but nowhere near what the elitist left lives in.

Chris Cuomo, yesterday, can we play the video that we played yesterday afternoon of the woman, the NRA spokeswoman, who was horribly raped.

She's been on this program before, and she was horribly raped for two hours.

She was raped when she went to college, and everybody said, oh, no, this is really safe.

You're going to be fine.

Well, she was the first woman to be raped at that particular dorm.

Here's her story.

Listen.

I was a normal 20-year-old college student.

When I moved into off-campus housing, they boasted that it was safe.

Not a single incident since it had opened.

I was the first.

I woke up in the middle of the night, suffocating.

Shut up, he said.

Don't say a word.

For the next two hours, I knew I was going to die.

And there was nothing I could do.

Now I'm a mother of two.

And if that predator or anyone else tries to harm me or my family, they have to come through my firearm first.

I will never be unarmed or utterly vulnerable ever again.

The only reason I can say that is because the NRA fought for my rights before I ever knew that I needed them.

I'm the National Rifle Association of America.

And I'm freedom's safest place.

So Chris Cuomo tweets yesterday, only in America.

What the hell does that mean?

Only in America.

Now I can take that as a positive.

Damn right.

Only in America can anyone go out and buy themselves a gun to be able to protect themselves and their family.

Yeah, only in America.

But that's not what he meant.

Only in America.

Now I contend that he never even watched the video.

He just, he just did what everybody does.

And they see something, he saw NRA.

I'm a mother.

If a predator comes in, I'm going to use my firearm.

He just read the tweet, didn't watch the video, saw NRA, and thought, oh my gosh, look at this, only in America.

Well, he got hammered yesterday, as he should have been hammered.

But you'll notice, this is not going to destroy his career.

This is not going to even be a blip in his life.

And usually, when you mock rape victims,

you have some problems going on.

Yeah.

But not in this case.

I mean,

if you know anything about Chris Cuomo, which most people don't,

he always doubles down and he believes he's the smartest man in the world.

So he thinks he can always talk himself out of these situations and he just falls.

He's just, he's sideshow Bob walking into rakes over and over and over again every day he turns.

That's Chris Cuomo.

Right.

And this is the guy who just last week was defending a woman who said that thing that's growing in a woman's uterus is not a baby.

He sided with her.

He sided with her.

So the guy is a complete lunatic.

Lunatic.

Let's first

discuss just that.

We are now.

We're now feeling it necessary to defend ourselves

to people who have

mad.

We are no longer at a place to where we're talking about Roe versus Wade.

We're talking about arguing with people who say that even until birth, that's not a baby.

What are we doing?

Why do we feel like we've gone insane?

The world has gone insane.

You've stood in place, which is the right thing to do.

You've stood in place as everyone else has gone off the crazy cliff.

And this small number of people happen to have power in the media

and in the political organizations.

And so they are manipulating it to make it feel like you are the one.

No, you're not the one.

You're not the one.

They're the handful.

Chris Cuomo, let me ask you this.

Should we make handgun use

safe,

rare,

safe

and rare?

Should we do that?

Because that's what's the third one, Stu?

It's safe, rare, and legal.

Yeah, legal.

But maybe we should just take handgun use and

we should make it a woman's choice.

And women can, women can use guns at any time

for any reason.

Or

should we just make it legal for rape and incest?

Because here was a rape victim that you supposedly care about.

That's the one you used to say you're fighting for.

The one that you can never really understand.

You could never, you would never even put yourself, how dare you even question someone who is a rape victim and what they decide to do.

Well, you just question them.

So is it your hatred for children?

I know you're saying that you're against, you know, you want more gun control

because of the children, but wait a minute, you're at the same time arguing for the death of children.

In fact, not even identifying children.

You can just kill that thing five minutes before it's born.

Do you hate children?

Do you hate women?

Because I think maybe you'd be best served if you were consistent.

It's rape and incest.

And women, women have the right to do with their body whatever they want to do.

And so they could use a handgun at any time.

Whoever they shoot is not really a person unless they declare them to be a person.

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Douglas, you're on the Glen Bank program.

Welcome.

Douglas, are you there?

I am here, yes.

Yes, hi.

Yes, Douglas Kloysterman, a spokesperson for Christopher Cuomo.

You're a spokesperson?

Yes, I happen to hear some of your commentary here.

Very disappointed in the way you looked at this incident.

I've been talking to Chris since it happened, and there were some issues.

He did write only in America.

However, you have to remember, he did not have a lot of space.

Twitter is a short-form communication character.

I think there's 270 characters he can use.

There was some confusion.

A dozen or so.

He used 15 characters.

Now, he usually tweets from the gym, and he also does usually about 15 reps of max rack pulls.

So he may have been confused by that.

Right, okay.

Okay.

I think a lot of times Chris tries to reveal his softer side

in a similar way.

He wrote, I'm sorry for the confusion.

Take this issue seriously.

Also,

as you know, muscles don't stop bullets, is what he wrote.

It's very true.

It's the same way he likes to reveal a little bit of his softer side.

The same way he kind of usually unbuttons the top two buttons on his shirt while he's broadcasting on CNN.

Revealing just a little bit of his perfectly crafted chest.

I talked to him at the gym yesterday after this went down.

He was broken up.

It was

sad.

It was leg day.

He was doing quads, calves, and glutes.

And it really was a big misunderstanding.

And I went back to him after this and I said, you know,

a few hours later I called him and I said, you know, you know, you've had a tough day today.

And he said, you know, well, I'm actually at the gym right now.

I'm working on my planks

up to 44 minutes now, which is pretty impressive.

Right.

Actually, but he said, our discourse is like arm day.

You know,

When you're tricep and you're doing skull crushers.

He said, it's dangerous.

I know.

It leaves you sore afterwards, but it's worth it.

I think that's what we need to do.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

I talked to him in that evening, and he was obviously not at the gym anymore.

He was taking a shower at the gym.

And he said, we need to wash ourselves of this angst, like the suds dripping down my perfectly crafted chest and core.

And I thought it was...

You're a spokesperson.

I don't think this is

helping his case at all.

Yeah.

Look, he said very clearly to me, and I want your listeners to hear this: we need to inject grace into our discourse in the same way you'd inject anabolic steroids into your neck before a workout.

All right.

Thank you, I think.

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Welcome to the program.

I'm so glad that you have joined us today.

Pat Gray is joining us now from his podcast.

And are you so glad about that, too?

Don't seem like it.

No, not really.

I'm not feeling that now.

No, I wanted to be honest.

You know, people ask, hey, how are you?

I like to think about it and give an honest answer.

Hey, are you glad I'm here?

That's good.

You want to tell the truth?

No.

No.

No, I'm not.

But Pat is doing the work

that really not a lot of Americans will do, and that is watch the view.

Right, so you don't have to.

Right, right.

Because sometimes you see some interesting things.

It's very rare, but every once in a while, something happens.

Like yesterday, there were a couple of things.

One of the things that happened was that the girls were edited as they were bashing Trump.

Here's what happened on the view yesterday.

But if he calls him sleepy jaw, what is that supposed to mean?

Can we pause it for a second right there, though?

Let's pause it for a second.

Joy Behar doesn't know what the word sleepy means?

He calls him sleepy Joe.

What does that mean?

Do you think anybody sleeps around her?

Sleepy?

Nobody sleeps around her.

It's not really complicated, though.

Look it up.

There's no such word in the dictionary.

A Google search turns up nothing.

I don't know.

What is sleepy?

I don't get it.

Anyway, there's more.

It doesn't matter.

This is one of his things he calls people's names call people's names but i i just think people are tired of it they don't care you call people names and stuff

well i i mean listen you can get into the to the

first edit

that's that's

second but you know what we're doing we are in that

third

and they do it one more time too they they edit them four times in that little swearing or something

i don't think they were I think one time they swore, but most of it was just like Trump bashing, I think.

Were you sure this was an edit or this was a problem?

No, that's what I thought.

It was a technical problem, but

let's see.

We discovered it wasn't a technical problem because of the blurring of the lips.

They also took the time to blur.

I think it was Joy's lips, so you couldn't tell what she was saying.

I know,

the whole thing.

We used to do the Jeffy cam.

Remember we used to blur Jeffy every time he came on the air?

Yes.

Wouldn't that be appropriate for Joy?

For Joy.

The Joy Cam.

That would bring people joy.

It would.

Also blur out her name because she's not named properly.

There is no joy where joy is concerned.

We've noticed that before and it's getting worse, I think, as time goes on.

Joy just seems to be.

So when did ABC start to edit?

That's what I'd like to know.

I don't know why they're doing that.

I don't know if

there's some directive now for

the ratings.

Maybe they know they can't stop these women from saying these things and the ratings are dying.

I don't know.

Maybe it's just they're just editing when Joy speaks.

Let's just go do a better show.

You know, and they might consider, I don't know, rather than editing, that takes a lot of effort.

It's take her off the show.

You ever thought of that?

Can you imagine?

I mean, I've not heard this anywhere.

And can you imagine if Fox News would have dropped my audio while you were talking about Obama.

Can you imagine what would have been said?

Oh.

From the left and the right.

Yeah.

They probably would have cheered.

But

they would have made a big deal out of it.

What he said.

What did he say?

What did he say?

Look at Fox News.

He's even too extreme for Fox News.

What did he say?

Yada, yada, yada.

Who's making that decision?

That's falling out.

Nobody's talking about this.

I mean, what was it they were saying about Trump that was so bad?

ABC had to edit it.

I don't know.

Wasn't it a long time ago that Joy Behar supposedly left the view to go do gigs in the cat skills or something?

What's that was a long time ago?

There was something about that.

How'd she get back on the show?

Has the show been on the whole time?

Like, the cat skills

surrounded ABC and demanded they take her back.

Everyone in the cat skills.

They were like, look, man, we are

bad with bad comedy.

We're down with bad bad comedy and old people.

But this one, this is a bridge too far.

But he calls him Sleepy Jaw.

What is that supposed to mean?

You know, it doesn't matter.

This is one of his things.

He calls people's names, call people's names.

But I just think people are tired of it.

They don't want to.

Let's stop one more time.

I love

the sleepy thing is really a charming part of this that you pointed out.

It is.

Because, number one, like, she's trying to get a comedy rant started of some sort.

Like, she's got stuff that she wants to get to.

And the cat skills, and the cat skills population are going you see you see that's why we rejected her that's why we gave her back remember the time when she said she was funnier than you yes that may be true now

it wasn't at the time it may be true did you see uh howard stern last week defend Megan Max do we do we happen to have that audio from last week?

Here's Howard Stern.

Listen to this.

Yeah, I voted for Republicans.

I've endorsed Republicans.

I can't think of any of them.

I'm having a hard time right now.

Very nervous.

But yes, listen, I feel bad for you.

I see you getting yelled at all the time.

Give the woman a chance.

Why are you looking at me?

Run at you.

I'm chasing her out.

She's in tears.

It's crazy.

He's changed a lot.

He's changed a lot.

Have you read his book?

I haven't.

No.

Yeah, I read his book on vacation.

This new one?

Yeah.

You did?

Yeah.

And it's fascinating.

Now, it's a lot of just interviews that he did, but that's what I've heard it was.

Yeah, the opening chapter

about

where he is and what's happened to him in the last few years is really remarkable.

I mean, it's a

total

change.

A total transformation to the point where he says,

I can't listen to things that I did.

I can't stand it when people talk about it.

I'm embarrassed by it.

And he said, you know, look,

this is what I did, and this is why I did it.

It was really an honest look and an honest look at shame.

I mean, Howard Stern

has found shame.

There was a time when he was pretty shame-free.

Completely shame-free.

I mean,

there's a case to be made that it was the Howard Stern era.

I don't want to put it all on him, but it was the Howard Stern era that totally changed us.

It was when Howard Stern could say whatever he said

and there was no real ramification except from the big state and the, you know, the oppressors and the religious.

And that was really the beginning of the undoing of any kind of standards.

in our nation, you know?

And, you know, he was talented and he was successful,

But he, as he says now, I didn't care.

I didn't care.

I was just doing what I was doing.

And,

boy, I can't, it's hard to look at myself in the mirror when I think about those things.

It's interesting, too, because you called for people to, you know, be introspective a few years ago and maybe join you in looking at what they've done in the past and where they're going in the future.

He actually did.

He might be the only one who did.

Yeah, but he actually changed it.

He's been doing it for a while, though.

That's what I think is an interesting thing about the way he did it.

Because you pointed out, Glenn, I think, off the air, that he had gone to a bunch of the people he had wronged privately and spoken to them and apologized to them, not in front of cameras, just went to them and talked to them.

Most accepted, some didn't.

I believe that.

Did he talk to Imus?

You know?

I don't know if he talked to Imus.

I don't think that was in there.

He did mention Imus.

Did he?

Yeah, that he was sorry for all the things that he did to Imus.

Wow.

John DiBella?

Don't think he was named.

Maybe.

I can't remember.

But the point is, though, like, you know, usually we have these big scandals or these big moments.

You tweet something bad.

You're about to get fired.

You get, you know, me too'd or whatever the situation is.

And

at that point, you come out publicly and say, I'm going to change.

I'm going to make everything right.

He decided, and he didn't do anything

to the levels of some of those scandals, but he decided to kind of try to make things right before telling anyone.

Like, he kind of went out and did it all.

And it's not entirely true.

He did have a reason to do it.

He said no one would talk to him.

He said no one would come on the show and do interviews with me.

Yeah, he said I was talking to the same people and he said I couldn't get anybody.

He said because I didn't care what I used to say to people.

Yeah, and that was part of the charm of the show, of course.

Right.

But he's developed something better, oh, much better and totally different.

Yeah.

And some of his audience rejected it, right?

I think he had a hard time with some of the really hardcore audience that

when he bashed people like that?

Every time you make a change on a show, you know, I mean, you have that situation.

But I think it's interesting that, I mean, because I think that's the way it usually happens, right?

Glenn, you talk about this all the time, those sort of moments where you have that

tipping point or, you know, where your life turns.

Like, that may have been the catalyst.

You know, like, maybe him not getting the guests on was the reason that he kind of thought about these things and decided to try to fix it.

There's nothing wrong with that.

No, you don't think of things when everything is going well.

You know what I mean?

There's no reason to be introspective when everything is going well.

Your life

is traveling on a highway and it's going great places.

You're like,

really?

I should stop and pause and think about what a bad human being I am?

Look at the results.

It's only when things happen to you that you're like, well, you know, geez, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

And what I like about this is it was a real change.

You know, it wasn't like, hey, I don't do that anymore anymore and you can trust me.

It's now, after years of doing it, saying

the more I thought about it, the more disgusted I was by myself.

That's a pretty big deal.

It is.

And that's why we were so surprised when you went on his show.

When was that?

Was that like four or five years ago?

Has it been that long?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I say two.

And we're actually treated really well.

And we were all blown away by that.

I sat down in the chair and he said, why do you hate gay people?

And I was like, that was the first question?

It was something like that.

And I was like,

well, I don't.

Well, yeah, but you're against gay marriage.

No.

What?

No.

Always been for it.

I'm a libertarian.

I just, I don't think the government has a right in anybody's business when it comes to who do you love, who do you marry.

You know, that was a eugenics thing.

That was a don't marry black people thing.

Don't marry inferior people thing.

That wasn't always there.

That's how marriage licenses start, if you don't know that story.

Right.

And then it was mainly.

It was a racist thing.

It was a racist thing.

It was meant to the government trying to control the population in ways it shouldn't have been trying to control.

I mean, remember, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln both got married without marriage licenses.

Right.

If it's good enough for them, I feel like you're like,

it's fine.

We don't need a license from the government.

It's not a wedding gift.

Right.

It's just a way for them to have control over your union.

Correct.

Correct.

And it really became embedded in us when the eugenics movement was so big.

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What the hell happened yesterday, Andy?

What did a rational person take away from that press conference yesterday?

What were we supposed to learn?

Well, I think, Glenn, that the upshot of it is that

Mueller wanted it understood that he was transmitting his obstruction information to Congress with the understanding that it's for Congress to deal with presidential misconduct.

I mean, I think to cut to the chase, that's the bottom line.

And I've always thought

it's easier to look at this, especially for the non-lawyer.

I can just imagine how people's heads spin.

But

the thing to bear in mind with this is that Congress does not need a prosecutable

felony offense in order to impeach.

It needs misconduct that

what the framers' idea would have been would be

an abuse of power, an egregious abuse of the public trust.

Gerald Ford, I think, was more cynical, but maybe more accurate in 1970 when he was the minority leader of the House trying to impeach Justice William L.

Douglas.

And he said, an impeachable offense is anything that the House of Representatives decides it is in a given moment in history.

And so what I think has gone on here all along is Mueller has taken his writ, which was not a traditional prosecutor's writ, even though it was supposed to be under the regulations.

He was really given a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation.

And even though that distinction I think sometimes makes people's eyes glaze over, it's important because counterintelligence is really just an information gathering exercise.

It's not necessarily geared toward building a criminal case.

So in the normal criminal case or the normal situation, there would be a basis to believe a crime got committed, and then you assign a prosecutor.

Here,

what they did was they used the Russia interference in the election as a pretext for assigning a prosecutor a counterintelligence investigation, which effectively unleashed him to look for a crime under circumstances where

there was no factual basis to believe a crime had been committed.

Andy, help me out on this.

Why did the Department of Justice lead this if they had no way to charge the president with anything?

Glenn, I think there's two different things here that Mueller has conflated, and he's completely wrong about this.

There's two different decisions that have to be made.

One is, do we have enough evidence to prosecute?

And secondly,

assuming the answer to the first question is yes, do we invoke the Justice Department guidance that says a sitting president may not be indicted.

The first decision doesn't have anything really to do with the second decision.

They're factually distinct.

And

the first

decision on the sufficiency of the evidence is the decision that's supposed to be made by the prosecutor who's assigned to the case.

So Mueller's job here, all this nonsense he talks about how we can't, you know, because the Justice Department can't charge, obviously that should not have entered into our minds.

That's ridiculous.

He has to make a call about whether there's a case or not.

And then if it turns out that he thinks that there is a case, which means there is evidence that a prosecutor believes a rational jury could convict the accused on beyond a reasonable doubt, then it's up to the Justice Department as an institution to decide whether to invoke the guidance that says

a sitting president can't be indicted.

But there's no reason to use that as a basis or a rationale for not making the decision about whether there's a case or not.

So do you think he was he wanted the president to be impeached, and so he just left that door open because he couldn't make a case.

And so he left that door open knowing that impeachment is whatever the Congress can convince the American people is bad,

we can impeach on.

Yeah, Glenn,

I think they figured out, this is Mueller and his staff, that this was the surest way to get their evidence to the Congress.

And what I mean by that is, if Mueller had decided that there was a

there was an obstruction case, then he would have recommended that to the Attorney General, Barr.

Now, by the time this came around and Barr was the Attorney General, Mueller had to know that the theory under which he was investigating obstruction was

different and not going to be acceptable to the Justice Department under Barr.

Because Barr has a very different idea, and I think it's the correct idea, but that's neither here nor there.

They have different ideas about what obstruction is.

Mueller was investigating it on a much looser theory.

And I think that if he had recommended charges, then he would have had trouble getting that report out the door because then there would have been a big Justice Department to do over whether he had applied the right legal standard or not.

Instead, what he did curiously, but I think probably in the end cleverly, was to say, I've got to decide.

And here's what I'm going to do: I'm just going to give you the evidence on both sides of the question and not make a decision.

And I'll rely for doing that on the Justice Department guidance that says you can't indict a sitting president anyway.

And that way, he managed to get his evidence out the door.

Whereas I think if he had recommended a charge,

this would have all gone very differently.

So now,

what?

Because last night what I heard were two things.

One,

I respect the Attorney General.

Barr is clean and good with me.

I think he did the right thing.

That's not what the media was reporting.

Did I miss something on that one?

No, I don't think so.

I think

the big area of controversy that the media has focused on is that Barr testified that at least three times times emphatically, Mueller told him that his decision not to make a decision on

obstruction was not because of the Office of Legal Counsel guidance that you can't indict a sitting president.

And then, lo and behold, if you look at the report, that is exactly the reason that he relies on.

So,

the argument was that Barr had misled everyone along these lines.

And I think Mueller is conceding that he did

say to Barr what Barr contends, that is, that the OLC guidance wasn't the reason.

Now, what I think people are missing that we should focus on is the timeline.

Here's what I think happened here, Glenn.

The first time that they meet after Barr is confirmed is March 5th.

And it's at that meeting that Mueller tells Barr, I'm not going to decide on the obstruction.

Barr asks him, is that because of the OLC guidance?

He says no.

And then Barr says to him, well, what's the reason?

And he says, we're still formulating our reason.

And then two and a half weeks later, he files his report, and he uses the OLC guidance as the reason.

So I think what happened here is Mueller just decided not to decide with rationale to be filled in later.

And as it got down to the end, they decided to rely on the OLC guidance.

So I think maybe on March 5th, he didn't realize that that was where he was coming out.

But by the time he filed the report on March 22nd, that was what he relied on.

The other thing is

I gathered that what he was saying was, look, all of the evidence that you need to impeach, and the only evidence that we could find is in the report.

You have it all.

So don't come to me and ask, and don't do anything.

You have to decide.

This is impeachable or not.

And I read through the lines that he was thinking thinking that it was.

And I'll testify, but only to those things that are in the report, because that's all there is.

Do I have that right?

You do, and I thought that was a, but, you know, I don't want to

cast aspersions unnecessarily at Mohr.

I like to just try to keep this on the issues.

Yes.

But I thought that was very presumptuous and egomaniacal of him, I must say.

In what way?

If he were, well, can you imagine I'm in front of a Court of Appeals making a legal argument, and a judge has the temerity to ask me, Mr.

McCarthy, what about this argument?

And I say, hey, look, I wrote a brief.

Go read it.

Be done with you.

You don't get to do that.

A witness doesn't get to decide what questions he can be asked.

Mueller doesn't get to decide, well, I've already given you my report.

I have nothing else to say.

You know, you get subpoenaed, you come into the tribunal, whether it's Congress or a court, and they'll decide what they're going to ask you and what you have a right to answer and not answer.

Now, he's trying to fend off testifying.

It's abundantly clear that he doesn't want to testify because if he did, they would have been delighted to have him, right?

He would have testified already.

And I think Jerry Nadler is going to be savvy enough to realize that Mueller gave him as much yes

as he ever get from

you said Jerry Nadler is savvy enough to what?

To not press this issue of bringing Mueller in to testify

as much out of Mueller as he's ever going to get from that statement yet.

Right, okay.

All right, so I want to ask you now about what happens next.

And so if you can hang on, we'll try to fix the connection as well.

We'll take one minute and then we'll be back with Andrew McCarthy.

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So, Andy,

now what he's done is he said, Hey, it's all in there.

There's nothing hidden.

We put everything that we have in the report.

You know it.

So, don't call me because I got nothing else to offer.

It's up to you.

All right.

What, if they decide to go through with this, do they do

hearings in the House or do they just have to vote and say, well, there's the evidence and we're going to impeach, and then that pushes it to

the Senate.

What should happen, and what do you think is going to happen?

Glenn, they can do, if they want to proceed with impeachment, what that ultimately requires is a majority vote, a simple majority vote in the House on articles of impeachment, and then it would be referred to the Senate for an impeachment trial where you would need a two-thirds supermajority to remove the president.

The need to get the supermajority is usually what stops them from seeking impeachment in the first place in the House.

If you know it'll be futile.

Procedurally,

what should happen is probably one of two things.

Either they could just proceed through the Judiciary Committee, or they could convene a special impeachment committee.

But the goal would be for such a committee to hold hearings and

specific articles of impeachment.

And then the articles would be voted in the committee.

And if they got out of committee, they'd be referred to the full.

So why wouldn't we have started there?

I mean, if you can't indict a sitting president, and this whole thing is about Donald Trump, I contend this whole thing should have been about Russia.

But if this whole thing was about Donald Trump, why didn't the DOJ take the Russia side and the Congress,

when they got power, immediately said, you know what?

Mueller is not important anyway.

We want to look into it.

Why wouldn't they?

Go ahead.

I think this is a broader conversation about Congress not functioning anymore.

and delegating most of its authority so that its members can do their real job, which is to go on cable television, evidently.

But basically,

you're right.

This is what should happen.

And I think in modern times, though, Congress also, to try to be fair to them, they realize that federal prosecutors have ways of compelling

that are more effective than Congress's and

therefore prefer to rely on a criminal investigation.

It's not really

a perfect, it's a far from perfect way to do it because a federal prosecutor's inquiry is very different from what Congress needs to find for impeachable offenses.

But they do like to rely on the prosecutor to do the investigation.

And

I guess that's really why they've relied on Mueller.

Why they don't the other thing, Glenn, is this is not a one-way street here.

Impeachment's a political process, and I think they may see

that there's a lot of people in the country who, A, are just tired of this, and B,

don't think

the country should be put through an impeachment inquiry unless it's a really, really serious offense that everybody can agree is serious enough to at least warrant that kind of consideration.

I have to tell you, if he would have found anything with Russia, I think the story would be different.

But

with what they have, I don't think the American people,

Democrats included, have the stomach for it, except for the

extremes.

And

I mean, I kind of actually hope that they do go for it because I think this is going to backfire on them.

I mean, I'm talking just politically speaking.

I think this would backfire on them big time.

Yeah, I think that's right.

And I look at it as now

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I'm not a political guy.

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But to me, you know, if you don't like Trump, then I think the argument that you make is that he acts inappropriately and beneath the dignity of the office.

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Whereas if you have to argue this in terms of impeachment and whether he should be removed over obstruction, now you're on the defensive because the question is: there's all this stuff that's inappropriate for a pre-we can all agree that a lot of this stuff should not be done by a president, but whether it re whether it rises to the level of a crime

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that's a very weird split.

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But there is a very real splintering going on right now.

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Bernie Sanders' people that are on his campaign, you don't want to go to war with them.

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Like Occupy Wall Street.

We get to get to her next week.

Yes, that's Monday.

Yeah, there's

You know how Occupy Wall Street was leaderless?

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No, I don't think so.

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If you, that's their thing, leaderless, decentralized.

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Really?

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Wait until you see this.

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Yes, absolutely.

The Democratic socialists, the communists, the Islamists are working together.

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campaign, and they are working to destroy first the Democratic Party.

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And my first response was, not a chance.

But then I was told who the reporter was, and it's Paula Ferris.

And she is somebody who is really, truly guided by faith, and she convinced somehow or another Good Morning America and ABC to do a series on faith where she just goes and has honest conversations about people who

you know believe in God and have faith, and she's a big believer.

And it was a fascinating conversation.

It just came out, and you can find it at Good Morning America.

I tweeted it, I think, last night.

We're going to put it up at Glembeck.com

today.

But if you're interested in

the journey of faith and what it all means and

how you get there,

join us on that.

It's a podcast.

It lasts about, I think it's an hour.

And she's very, she's a wonderful, wonderful person.

I really liked her.

Were you here for that, Stu?

No, I was not.

I remember you being complimentary at the interview, though.

Yeah, she's really nice.

And, you know, they made some edits and things, so I don't think it's exactly, you know, exactly right, but it's, I mean, it's close, and they tried, and it was, I mean, she's great.

So it's Journeys of Faith with Paula Ferris, wherever you listen to your podcast,

or we'll post the

Good Morning America link as well at Glennbeck.com, but well worth listening to.

Did you talk about your hateful belief that babies should live?

No, I didn't get into that.

I hope you got into that because we all know that babies should not be allowed to live.

Well, they're not really babies.

And they're not babies.

I mean, you know, sure, they might turn into babies someday, but they might turn into a mushroom.

We don't know.

Right.

You don't know what's growing in.

Where do you think those creatures in Super Mario Brothers came from?

Right.

Right.

They are little walking mushrooms.

It could be a little walking mushroom.

I still have not recognized any of my children as children.

Oh, good.

Yeah.

Because as long as you don't recognize them, you can do whatever you want with them.

Right.

I was amazed to see the latest in this slew of new abortion laws that are pretty restrictive.

Not as restrictive as they should be, but restrictive nonetheless.

Sometimes the latest one is Louisiana, six weeks, they're saying, basically.

And I love this one where they're like, they don't even know if they're pregnant yet.

It's like, well,

I mean, like, this is one thing I've always talked about with

the theoretical abortion argument.

Like, let's just say, I think in a sane society, if one side was going to be pro-abortion and one side was going to be anti-abortion, right?

The side that was pro-abortion would be arguing simply just for the morning after pill, right?

So, like, if you made a mistake and you don't know what's going on yet, we don't even know if you're pregnant yet.

You take this pill and it gets rid of it and we'll never even know what the situation was.

Right?

Like, I'm not saying that's a good argument, but at least it's a, like, you could see a sane part of that at some level.

Like, that should be the strong left-wing position here, right?

Right?

Like, you're just like, look, you know, six weeks is a good example of this.

There's a heartbeat starting at six weeks.

If you can't, you know, if you're worried about being pregnant, you have six weeks to do it.

You know, you have multiple options in that period to do so, right?

And people are like, well, they don't even know they're pregnant.

Well, if they want to get an abortion and they're worried about pregnancy, then you kind of go and you check, right?

Like, that's what you have to do.

And it's really not about you not knowing if you're pregnant.

It's about whether you're, you know, whether people are starting to pick out shoes and a new crib.

Right.

You know,

Exactly.

Whether that's a, you know, when we're talking about the next day, some people say it starts at conception.

Some people say heartbeat.

Some people, you know, whatever.

Whatever.

But, you know, it's six weeks.

You know, you got to figure out what's going on.

And we know it's not a baby.

Yeah.

I mean,

I shouldn't say that.

We know that it's not breathing,

and it's not thinking, and it's not feeling yet that we know of.

So,

but that's not even the normal

Republican viewpoint, right?

Most states are going for 20 weeks.

And if you can't make a decision in five months whether you want to abort your kid or not,

I mean, are we not being, we're not, that's a legitimately wide window.

You're going to know you're pregnant by five months in almost every single case.

You got a nice window to make that call.

Okay, these are not, that is not a restrictive policy, yet it's act, you act,

it's like handmaid's tail.

They act as if you're from directly from handmaid's tail.

If you want to stop, only five months to make your decision.

More than half the pregnancy.

Sorry.

You know, and that's like crazy.

That's a crazy thing.

The new one in Louisiana is interesting because Louisiana is one of the only places in America these days where you can find a hell of a lot of real pro-life Democrats, including the governor who is actually signing this, who's a Democrat, and is like, yeah, I'm in on this one.

In fact, it was proposed by a Democrat.

There have been multiple bills over the past few years that have been proposed by Democrats that have been restrictive on abortion.

In 2006, a Democratic state senator sponsored a trigger law.

And

this is happening on both sides, which is kind of an interesting legal development in that states are passing bills that will trigger if Roe v.

Wade gets overturned.

So if Roe v.

Wade gets overturned, places like Vermont will automatically have abortion in their constitution all set.

And the opposite happening in Louisiana, it's automatically banned if Roe v.

Wade gets overturned, which is interesting because you kind of see the stupid scare tactics of the Roe v.

Wade thing in that you're going to have more than half of the country almost definitely having abortion, even if they do overturn Roe versus Wade.

They'd have to do something on top of that that would go much further before this would go away.

And yes, would it be potentially less convenient for you to not let your baby live?

I know.

I know.

We're asking a lot here.

You might even have to drive.

You know, it could be 45 solid minutes.

I mean, like, I get that it would be more restrictive.

And they're just not interested in even talking about any sort of restriction on abortion.

They want it to go all the way to birth.

And at times, you've seen over the past few months after birth.

But it's interesting to see that, like, there is still a large group of people who are Democrats, people who are fighting for things like Obamacare, people who are fighting for things that I I am not at all comfortable with when it comes to policy.

You know, Medicaid expansion, Medicare expansion, all these big government programs at the same time, pro-life in big-time ways.

I mean, it was not a close vote.

If I see the vote here,

79 to 23

in the

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This is the Glenbeck program.

We've got to do something about climate change.

If it will just save one child, I mean, forget about abortion.

If it'll just save one child, isn't it worth it?

Well,

no, probably not.

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He is the author of The Climate Chronicles.

He is a guy who

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just one of the most quoted and one of the best weather guys and meteorologists

that we had in the country until climate change.

Then, of course, when he went, wait a minute, I actually do this for a living.

I am a scientist and none of this works.

That's when he started to find himself in hot water.

He is still on the same bandwagon saying, you know, this Green New Deal, this is going to kill America and just wreak havoc and hurt every American.

We have Joe joining us now.

Hi, Joe.

How are you?

Very well.

Thanks for having me.

I've always wanted to chit-chat with you.

We've done it a couple of times, but this time a little bit longer.

You have looked into the Green New Deal.

And

how long did it take you to figure out this has nothing to do with climate?

Well, you know, I wrote the book on that.

For those of you, I always tell people, go look at the book.

And if you don't like it, then on a cold winter night, you can throw it in the fireplace and it'll help heat your house because you want to make sure that you, you know, get that.

Well, and book burning can be popular today.

I'm sure mine is.

But

here's in 2015, when the former EPA administrator, Gina McCarthy, was testifying before Congress,

she agreed with the idea that the proposals being made would only save 0.01 Celsius over 30 years, but she said the real benefits are that we're going to show the planet what you're supposed to do.

Now, I'm sitting here going, well, look, America's the most prosperous country of the world, greatest experiment in freedom.

If the rest of the planet hasn't followed us there, why are they going to sit there and start following us now?

Right.

It doesn't make sense.

But

let me put this in perspective for you because perspective, and see, the problem is that my father, who's a meteorologist, graduated out of Texas AM in 65.

I always go down to Texas.

But in any case, he taught me that the foundation you stand on today was built yesterday to reach for tomorrow.

And so when you look back at the weather and what the weather and climate has done, not only in this country, but in the entire world, you sit there and it's almost as if it's a shooting fish in a barrel when these people bring, oh, this is the worst ever.

You know, and that's one of the biggest things that I rely on looking at patterns in the past.

You know,

I tell people I don't have any life except my good lord above, my family, weather, and Penn State wrestling.

That's about all I have.

So most of the time it's with wrestling.

But listen to this.

The U.S.

is currently only responsible for 15% of the man-made CO2.

15%.

Mankind is responsible for 0.01% of that.

So let's do the math.

It means that the U.S.

contribution to the CO2 CO2 totally atmosphere is 0.00015 of the atmosphere.

And what's the Green New Deal solution?

Destroy the American economy.

I mean, really, because we all know that energy is the lifeline of our economy.

Now, I'm not against any energy.

And as a matter of fact, my company, we develop products for wind and solar to make those forecasts more accurate.

Because, you know, we've had a situation in Texas, Glenn, for instance, I guess it's 2011, where you had a big freezing rainstorm in West Texas, where the wind turbines are, and

you know, you needed heat for Dallas and Houston, and the wind turbines

can't turn.

Well, if a power company knows that there's that threat four or five days away, they may acquire energy from another power company that's not having that kind of wife.

So, this is what I do.

I have nothing against alternative energy.

And this argument to me is not an argument.

Like, for instance, I I know and understand the other side of the argument.

And I keep telling people on my side of the argument, until such a time that the planet actually starts to cool, they have every right in the world.

And you should be open-minded what's going on.

But here's the big thing.

The total picture, if you look at the geological history of the Earth,

it's the totality of the journey.

not six seconds out of an 80-year-old man's life, which is what the last 40 years has been.

You think about that stuff, and you look back, you think about the sun, the ocean, stochastic events, the very design of the system, and that gets them mad because it means that I believe in God very, very strongly.

So what happens is you look at those things and you say, well, wait a minute.

Why is this the first time in known history that man is wrecking the climate?

Now, let me just say one more thing because I'm open-minded.

I realize this is your show.

If I could have wrestled the way I I talk, I would have been a national champ.

But listen, what happens is this.

What happens is this.

If they are correct, it's very seductive.

Because if you're the guy that found out that CO2 was a climate control knob, you're like Galileo, for goodness sakes.

So

how do you, after 30, see, I'm very

empathetic, sympathetic, whatever that word is.

It's got too many syllables for me.

But what happens is, if you've been doing this for 30 years, you now own it.

It becomes your life.

And if it becomes your life, what happens?

If someone attacks your idea, they're attacking your life.

And, you know, there's also a lot of people on the other side that are reaching for the higher plane.

So when you look at that,

I try to tell people

I try to be the dumbest man in the room because the dumbest man in the room, if you're hungry, is going to find the food, right?

So you look everywhere.

If you're the smartest guy in the room and all you're doing is looking at one thing, you're not going to see the very things that challenge you that you need to perfect your arguments.

And so that's the way I am.

I realized a long time ago that the weather is an infinite, magic, majestic system that

the more I learn about the field, the less I know about it and the totality of it.

There's a book out there called The Half-Life of Facts.

about how fast knowledge is expanding.

And when you look at those things, it gives you a perspective of humility and understanding that, sorry, you're not controlling the whole shooting match.

So, Joe, I just read a story last week of a new

wood

is how they described it.

But

it's a new kind of wood that

if we clad our homes in this,

and it's man-made wood, it will save us 50 to 80%

on our electricity bills because it is such a good insulator.

I mean, I just don't understand how

if you really care about the environment, you should be A, vegan, B, for nuclear power plants, and you should be looking to the free market system because it's the free market system that is developing all of these things.

Everything the government has tried to do fails.

So Indra?

So Indra was pretty good.

But that's the thing that makes me, you know, in the book, most of it, for instance, is a chapter in there called The Weaponization of the Weather.

And

that was put out a year ago saying this is what's going to happen.

Every single event is going to be like that.

Because when you look at it, the scientific argument is the same argument as who's better, Texas or Texas AM in football, right?

It lasts about 10 minutes, and then you move on.

But what happens is there's, and this is why I said the book is a love story because what I have loved since I was three years old, I mean, I remember my parents tell me I was three, I used to sneak outside, lie on my back, and stare at the sun through the clouds.

I almost burned my retinas out.

That's how fascinated I was with the weather from being a little kid.

So when you see this drag through the mud and you see everybody, you know, where were you when, you know, I was 15 years old crying because we missed a snowstorm in Atlantic City, for instance.

You weren't anywhere to be found.

And one of the other things that gets me is that they come out after the fact.

Now, Glenn, you've been down there for a while.

You guys have been down there for a while.

You know, after 2012, the Texas, there were a lot of people saying, oh, this is the beginning of a new Dust Bowl, a new perma drought, right?

Because you had three straight years of hurrah.

And it was just like 52 through 54, which I know about because growing up down at Texas A ⁇ M, I know about the Junction Boys and how bad the weather was in 52, 53, 54.

And like clockwork, four years later, it turned around then and it turned around now.

So I'm seeing stuff I guess it was USA Today had today.

Well, this is a sign of climate change, all the wet weather.

Well, what answer don't you own?

If it snows cheese in Dallas on New Year's Eve, that's climate change too.

So this is what's going on.

They wait till after the fact and say, see that.

And, you know, in the weather and forecasting and in the private sector, what Weatherbell does, we have to tell people the why before the what and hit the forecast.

Because you want to know something?

National Weather Service is great.

There's 1,700 private companies out there by guys that are real, real sharp people.

And if you're not right, you're not going to get paid.

So I use everything I have at my disposal, including understanding and knowing the past, to project into the future.

And that's not what I'm seeing on the other side.

I see a climatologist who says, well, this is a sign of this, or this is a sign of that.

Well, why didn't you tell me this was going to happen back in February?

Correct.

You take what's going on now.

The reason we have so many tornadoes is because it's so cold across much of the country.

08, 2011, and this year with the three coldest Mays in the northern plains and back into the southwest that we've recorded in the last 15 years.

Well, guess where the tornado spikes are?

Well, if you get a cold May, you're naturally getting warmer air coming out of the Gulf of Mexico.

You're going to get big fights going on, and that's what you've got.

But that's not because it's just warm everywhere.

Last May was warm all over the United States, and we had a record low amount of tornadoes in the month of May.

As a matter of fact, folks, there is ample reason to believe that the greening of the planet, which is occurring, and Dr.

Will Happer talks about this all the time, that we're basically coming out of a CO2 drought, right?

Plants grow better at four times the amount of CO2 in the air.

What is the synergistic relationship between animal and plants?

Since animals exhale 100 times more CO2 than they inhale, and plants then take that and grow from it.

So we're coming out of that.

So the demonization of CO2, or, for instance, guys, what's the average temperature of the planet?

What's the perfect temperature of the planet?

I mean, you know, they say hottest year ever.

Well, wait a minute.

It's only the mean temperature is 57.5, 58 degrees.

How is that hot, right?

What if it's 58.5?

What does that mean for Dallas?

Oh, it doesn't mean that Dallas is going to be 115 degrees every day, right?

So it's back and forth in natural.

Joe Bastardi is his name, and he is the author of the new book, The Climate Chronicles.

Been out for a while, really good.

Climate Chronicles,

if you want the facts on

the Green New Deal, on what climate change really is, what this is all about, the facts to be able to argue it, you'll get them from Joe in his new book, The Climate Chronicles.

Joe, thank you so much.

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It's done some real damage this year.

And this is what the left and people who want you to believe that you need to give them a few trillion dollars to deal with global warming.

I mean, John Delaney is one of the candidates who's running for the Democrats.

You don't know that because he said 0% in almost every poll.

But he's been running since, I think, July 2017,

which is a long time.

Especially to have

0%.

I think he has 1 or 2% in Iowa, though, to be fair.

He's a former congressman, and he's running as a moderate.

He's basically saying, you know, this is me, I'm a moderate.

He introduced a $4 trillion global warming plan.

This is a moderate we're talking about, supposedly.

And it's amazing because you see the, I think, really dark exercise of exploiting the deaths of people killed in natural disasters for political purposes when it comes to global warming.

And they'll say every single time something like, you know, there's an article here from Think Progress: poisoned weather, global warming helped fuel killer tornadoes.

And you go through and you read their quotes, and it's like, you know, you can't leave out global warming when you're talking about these killer tornadoes.

It's a real problem, and these are going to increase and get worse and worse and worse and worse.

And then, you know, you can look at this year's chart of how many tornadoes there have been, and it has been a relatively active year.

It's not an unprecedented year, but it's been an active year.

However, when you look at the long-term trend from the 1950s, let's say, to today, you see a massive improvement in the rate of tornadoes, a decrease in the

rate of tornadoes.

That's fairly dramatic.

I mean, you know, it's about half.

I mean, when you look at

tornadoes, about half from what it was.

To give you the, let's see, let me give you the exact number here real quick, just so you have it in case you want to annoy your friends.

From 1954 to 1985, we averaged about 56 tornadoes a year.

And this year, from 1986 to 2018, it's about 33.

So it's a little bit less than 30.

So there's a possibility that it's just a stable-ish number, but there wasn't everybody living in every

place in America.

Well, that is a good argument for it.

So when you talk about the total tornado count,

we are much better at detecting them now than we were in the 50s and before that.

That's why usually when scientists look at this, they look at only F3 and above because you don't usually miss too many F3s.

So the F3s and above have had

a significant decrease.

And it's the exact opposite of what we're told.

By the way, the quote I was reading you was not from this most recent

outbreak.

It was from 2012.

Now, we had the lowest year, and every year since 2012 has been lower than 2012.

Every single year since, we've had lower numbers of tornadoes.

And in in fact, 2018 was the lowest we've ever had, ever measured.

And they've been telling us for years and years and years that global warming is going to make this worse.

And instead, it's made it better.

I don't know if it has anything to do with one, it has anything to do with the other.

Is it possible that they are only speaking to us on the opposite day?

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It's a sad statement on my life, but I'm sad that Chris Cuomo hasn't responded to any of my tweets.

You want to talk to Chris Cuomo?

No, through Twitter.

Why even there?

What good would that do you?

Where's the advantage for you in that situation?

Chris Colemo.

All right, okay, put it into perspective pretty quickly, and I don't appreciate it.

I don't ever want to be in contact with

him.

He just pissed me off so much yesterday.

He just pissed me off so much yesterday with what he did.

Woman comes out and she's like, you know, hey, I was raped, and that's why, you know, I have a gun.

I didn't believe in guns before.

I believe in guns now.

And, you know, I was brutally raped for two hours.

And he comes up.

Only in America.

Oh.

And then he comes up with some BS.

Oh, what I meant was only in America can we not have a conversation

about

the obviously good uses of guns like stopping rapes and bad uses of school shootings.

Right.

We can't do that here.

First of all, what are you talking about?

No one needs that conversation because everyone knows it.

So no one needs the conversation because it's obvious to everyone on earth.

Secondly, that's not what you meant at all.

And you know it.

This is a very standard chris cuomo tactic which is whenever he is uh whenever he does something dumb which is you know no more than 13 14 times per hour when he does something dumb he can never admit it was just dumb he always has to come up with with this lawyerly explanation as to what he thinks people buy that he thinks people buy because he's under the assumption and belief that he is the smartest man that has ever lived.

Yes.

So he always, and also not just the smartest man, but the best lawyer.

So he thinks he can lawyer himself out of every single argument.

And you even see this when he's talking to someone on the left.

He comes up with these like smug points that he thinks are good from the right because he thinks he's a good lawyer and can argue both sides.

I mean, there's one in every family.

There's one in every family.

They're like, yeah, you know, you're right.

But how many are in the Cuomo family if they're dominated by these people?

Oh, I know, but not really like Chris.

I don't know.

They're not as, they're not as, you know, when you watch Chris, you're just kind of like, oh,

he's really not that smart at all.

Everyone needs to try hard.

And he's trying.

He's trying hard.

Did you do your best, son?

Yes, you did.

I mean, it wasn't good, but you did your best.

You know, the other thing I love about Cuomo, too, is in this tweet exchange, which is fantastic.

I think it was Janice Dean who said, hey, you know, how about us people who maybe don't have

a big man like you to protect them?

You know, how about us with guns?

And that's when he went into his long explanation.

But

he couldn't help referencing in the third tweet, He said something like, you know, as we all know, muscles don't stop bullets.

Now, she didn't say anything about his muscles, but you know who's thinking about his muscles all the time?

Is Chris Cuomo.

The guy is the typical

gym rat.

Oh, he is.

That is such a great explanation.

Like, gym rat guy who thinks everyone, when he walks into a room, everyone's looking at his biceps.

Like, that's who he thinks he is, along with the smartest man on earth and the best lawyer in the world.

I'm going to bring Cliff Maloney in.

He is the president of Young Americans for Liberty.

And

you know who Chris Cuomo is?

Do you even, I mean, because you're Young Americans for Liberty, let me explain television.

Television was this old thing that they used to have news and a place called CNN and people would watch it.

Wow.

Yeah.

Any comments on

Chris Cuomo before we move on to Venezuela and guns?

Yeah, I mean, I think you're exactly right.

He's kind of the face, if you will, of people people who they want to lecture and act like they're playing both sides, and there's definitely more than one in every family.

But I mean, I don't know anybody under the age of 40 that watches him because you're just being talked at.

You know, he's not talking with the viewers.

He's kind of saying, hey, look, this is the way it is.

And, you know, I'm holier than now, and I know better than now.

And I don't think anybody's got time for that.

Yeah.

Let's talk a little bit about an article that you wrote, an opinion piece, Venezuela is the poster child for gun control control gone wrong.

Amen.

Thank you for saying this.

You know, it's been funny, Glenn.

I've gotten, you know, I didn't expect it to be as controversial as a topic.

But, I mean, look, we all know gun control is the premise.

It is the root foundation of socialism.

I mean, if you are going to have control and if the government is going to dictate, you know, who does what, how they do it, when they can do it, you can't defend yourself.

And I'm surprised, you know, I put this piece together.

I mean, you look back in 2012 in Venezuela, that was the big step.

They restricted the right to own firearms.

We know this as conservatives and libertarians, that that means taking away the ability to defend yourself.

And when it comes to a tyrannical government and what you're seeing right now in Venezuela, you know, and if you talk to normal people in Venezuela, I mean, some of the stories and some of the quotes and just what you're hearing from people is, damn, I I wish we had the ability to defend ourselves.

And so it's, to me, it's a perfect example of how socialism is just totally fixated on disarming the citizenry.

And I think conservatives and libertarians should not sit back.

We always try to say, oh, you know, it's for Hunting.

No, it's to defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

Can I tell you something?

We were just talking about this yesterday.

I am so sick of people saying, oh, you're going to take on the Jets and the United States of America.

Yeah.

You know, cave dwellers have been doing it pretty effectively for the last 20 years.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we have more guns and we don't live in caves.

I think we need to be honest about that and say that's what that was for.

It wasn't for hunting.

It wasn't for sport.

Otherwise, bowling might be in the Constitution.

It is about protecting yourself against a government gone insane.

And you know what kills me, Glenn, is the hypocrisy of the left where they say, hey, the government should not have power because Trump is in charge.

Oh, I know.

But hold on.

But if our guy is in charge, we want to give total power to the government.

And I just, I can't handle this inconsistency from my friends on the left because it's like, look, you've got to stop giving your power as a citizen, your power to hold the government accountable.

You can't just go with the whims of whether your party's in charge or your party's not in charge.

No, no, no, but

it's worse than that.

They're advocating for now.

Trump is an absolute dictator waiting to grab control.

Let's turn in all of our guns right now.

I mean,

it's not like under Trump they've said, oh, let's slow down on taking guns.

Let's wait until our guy gets in.

They take them today.

It's crazy.

I give them too much credit.

I give them too much credit.

Nuts.

It's just nuts.

So what has the controversy been about this?

Because I know if you point out, hey,

there's a result of a socialist nation, even though they were all on the record saying this is socialist utopia in Venezuela.

Now they claim it's that wasn't socialism.

It was never socialism.

Don't make me laugh.

That was socialism.

What is the pushback on

the argument with you on gun control in Venezuela?

Yeah, so the first point is what you said when it comes to people say, oh, well, you really think this is to, you know, the Second Amendment is really to defend against a tyrannical government.

And to that, I say yes.

And to the points that you made, I mean, but people really don't see that.

And I'm not even talking just on the far left, but just pretty much any of my Democrat friends, it's they really don't understand that government power is inherently bad when you centralize power and you need to have a check and balance.

The second part is people are continuing to throw me the line, Cliff, this is not real socialism.

And exactly my comeback for the past week and a half is what you said, Glenn, and that is every single person in the country that is pushing for this Democrat socialism call whatever you want, they're all on record praising Venezuela over the past five to six years.

All of them.

So there is no defense.

This is socialism.

This is government power.

And this is a perfect example

why I called the peace.

You know, it is.

It's a poster child of this so-called gun control gone wrong, but the left doesn't want to own it, and I'm not giving them that pass.

And once again, I continue to tell my libertarian and conservative friends, do not back down, Do not give them one inch on this issue, because this is a perfect example of the type of government control they want and what results when you put government control at such a high level over the ability of citizens to have guaranteed rights.

Talking to Cliff Maloney from Young Americans for Liberty, Cliff, it's an interesting thing because I think there is a the national the natural sort of inertia of human beings is bondage.

It's been bondage forever.

And liberty is hard for a lot of people.

And so a lot of times we slip back into this, you know, since socialism has been around, there's always been times where it's flared up, even in the United States at some level, but all over the world.

It's just fascinating to me.

Can you explain it all, the timing of while we're watching Venezuela essentially burn itself to the ground, now is the time where Alexandria Ecasio-Cortez is on the rise and Bernie Sanders is competing for the presidency.

Why of all times right now when we're seeing the worst failure of a government in, I mean, even worse than Zimbabwe, they're saying.

We're seeing that right now, and now's the time that the Americans are deciding to walk towards socialism.

Yeah, well, let me start off by saying this.

I think that young people get a bad rap.

You know, we work with college students, and I think that, you know, polls will show you like 43% of Americans support some sort of socialism.

And that should scare the hell out of us.

Don't get me wrong.

But I think what gives me some hope is when you look at young people, it's not always the AOCs and the Bernie's that they're going towards.

It's when you break it down issue by issue, they don't want the government taking 30 cents of every dollar they make.

They don't want the government reading their emails or spying on their cell phones.

They don't want the government spending these boatloads of money and running these trillion-dollar deficits.

But what's happening is the socialists,

I will admit this, they are winning the messaging battle.

The socialists are winning the hearts and minds.

They understand that everything is 30-second clips on Twitter.

They're shortening things down.

I don't want to say they're dumbing it down, but I'm going to say it.

That's what they're doing.

They're dumbing down to pull on heartstrings.

And look, Democrats have done this for years.

The problem is the socialists are not hiding anymore.

They're owning the label.

And what this does is it gives an opportunity, and I'm going to be very careful how I say this, to free market capitalists.

The problem I've had is the crony capitalists over the years, they are such a problem for us in the liberty camp because the crony capitalists create this environment where now the left can use the tactic that they use on us and say, well,

now we have to say, well, that wasn't real capitalism.

And that's a problem.

So I would say.

That's why capitalism, that word, I don't think should be used anymore.

It's free markets.

Because that says everything.

It's a market and it is free.

Right.

And yeah, so I would agree that I think we have to reown that messaging.

And we have to go out there and we have to say, look, socialism, you know, you can only paint so many pictures.

You can only point directly to Venezuela.

They're all on the record for supporting it.

And say, these are false promises that don't work.

But I really want to hit on the fact that, yeah, I mean, the capitalists and kind of the crony capitalists, they've made this battle so much harder and they've opened the door for AOC and Bernie to prevent socialism.

But we should take this as an opportunity, and I would agree.

Let's own the free market mantra and let's show folks why it's the way forward.

Thank you so much, Cliff.

Appreciate it.

We'll talk to you again.

Cliff Baloney, he is for

Young Americans for Liberty.

He is the president of, that is a great organization,

youngamericansforliberty.org, YA Liberty.org.

Thanks, Cliff.

Talk to you again.

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You know, stew just said a mouthful when he was just talking about how bad it is in venezuela worse than zimbabwe

now they would not have believed that 15 years ago that you could do that that is how fast you can tube a nation with socialism and with money printing.

And we are not anywhere close to out of the woods.

In fact, I think we're in the woods and people think we're out of the woods and we're about to to go deeper into the woods.

There is this new thing now that they're talking about of this new monetary policy theory.

And the theory is that you don't have to borrow money, you can just print money.

What?

That

are you crazy?

That is what happens to Zimbabwe.

That's what happened in Venezuela.

It doesn't ever work.

It happened in Germany.

You can't do that.

Well, we're smarter now.

We can do that.

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So, have you read the New York Times article about UFOs?

I mean, this has been going on now for a few few years where UFOs were laughed at, conspiracy theory, blah, blah, blah.

Now the government has sent several people out that are like,

yeah, well, we're pretty sure.

Wait, what?

Pretty sure what?

There's a guy who's come out, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence.

He was,

his name is Mellon.

Mellon, what's his first name?

I don't know, Mellon.

Christopher Mellon, watermelon.

I don't know.

Anyway, he was talking about and i i want to quote we know that ufos exist this is no longer an issue the issue is why are they here where are they coming from and what is the technology behind these devices that we are observing

hmm

we know that ufos exist that's no longer an issue the issue is why are they here

Now, I'm not an expert,

but I'm, I think there is a logical explanation of why they're here.

It's the primary season for the Democratic Party, and they all, 20 of them, needed to get up on stage and run for president.

It's part of their takeover.

We've seen 24 spaceships land in the last couple months,

and they're all running for president of the United States as a Democrat.

This makes more sense now.

You're listening to Glenn Beck.