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Hi, Pat.

How are you?

Doing good.

Good.

You want to talk today about Disney's threatened boycott of Georgia?

Oh, yeah.

Bob Iger just made this announcement yesterday.

The abortion bill in Georgia.

How do you feel about that?

And is Disney going to keep producing there?

Well, I think if it becomes law, it'll be very difficult to produce there.

I rather doubt we will.

Why?

I don't think you will.

I think many people who work for us will not want to work there.

And

we'll have to heed their wishes in that regard.

Right now,

we're watching it very carefully.

Stop.

So

I don't actually have a problem with Bob Iger saying this.

I wish he had a spine, but he's giving in to the wishes of all the creatives.

And, you know, well, you're going to, what are you going to do?

And would they do the same thing if their wish was, yeah,

we don't want to perform in New York because their abortion law is so extreme.

They can kill a baby that's just about to be born.

If a company had most of their employees saying that, I think they would.

You think they'd cave to that?

Yeah, I think if most of their employees were saying that, they would.

Like with Chick-fil-A.

If they said, you know what, we don't want to go to New York because we don't want to have abortion, because we don't like the abortion law.

I mean, they would get destroyed by the media for that stance.

Absolutely.

Oh, of course.

Yeah, but Chick-fil-A would do it.

Yeah, they would do it.

They would do it.

I mean, I don't think it's bad to have principles.

It's interesting, and if their principles are, you know, we really, really just adore killing little children.

Bob Iger's principle is, I got to make money.

I got to make movies, and I got to make money.

Probably.

And certainly doesn't give a crap about the crew.

The poor people who are working in Georgia on these movies, who probably are all on their side of the argument when it comes to abortion.

He also doesn't give a crap about China's policies.

No, I know that.

They've got people in internment camps right now, and they're killing millions of Muslims.

I know.

But they're doing business with China?

Yeah, they're doing business with China.

Huh.

Yeah.

Isn't that interesting?

The hypocrisy is.

All of the stuff that they're doing.

I think it is remarkable what we are going through, and that's why we started the show the way we did, is

we've got to take a stand.

And the way to fight this.

Yes, we have to take a stand that's my point yeah we have to take a stand and the way to fight it is to say oh okay Disney bye-bye right you know yeah but all of us have to do that too not just Georgia and I think all of us governor Brian Kemp is is telling him that he's saying yeah okay see ya yeah I mean it's it's it's really the the iPhone thing

go with me here for a second I have this conversation with my wife all the time I'm like put the iPhone on put the iPhone on put it down put it down put it down crackhead Crackhead.

Put it down.

And she'd be like, I am doing all of these things.

I got it.

Okay, well, you know what?

Go without it for a week.

Are you kidding me?

You know what, honey?

You sure did it 10 years ago, and we were fine.

That's what George and all these other places need to say.

Oh, Hollywood won't produce their movies here.

Oh, let's see.

Georgia was doing pretty fine without them.

We don't have to worry about it.

You will find other things.

And And if we start putting life

behind making a stupid movie,

wow.

Or going to a stupid movie.

If we started hitting Disney in the pocketbook, like, I'm not going to.

I'm not going to your Disney World.

I'm not going to Disneyland.

I'm not going to your Disney movies.

But with Star Wars,

Marvel, you're just not going to.

You're not going to.

And that's the only thing that would make a statement to Bob Iger and to Disney.

Okay,

we can play that game too.

And on the other side, boycotts lose their effectiveness when you don't give them credibility.

The power.

North Carolina tried to stand up against when the bathroom law thing was going on last year.

And they were like,

we passed this law.

It's important.

And all this, then the NBA was like, yeah, we're not going to have our all-star game there.

Like, okay, forget it.

We didn't care.

And

we're sorry.

It's like, all right, that's not going to work.

Right.

Like, you have to, when you make a decision like that and you know the consequences, what you're saying is, I'm putting this at a higher priority than that, right?

Georgia is saying, I'm putting life at a higher priority than Disney.

And Disney is saying, I'm putting abortion at a higher priority than the workers in the state, than my potentially my previous commitments,

and maybe the business influence.

And they can make that choice as a company.

They can.

They can say, you know what?

We just heart-killing babies.

We just love and in those heartbeats.

And they can just do that all they want.

And if that's their principle, then you know what their principle is.

And you can make that decision whether you feel like that principle is one you want to play with.

It's interesting that we raise our children on Disney, and yet Disney is not standing for the unborn children.

I mean, it's really, truly remarkable.

With

that being said,

boycotts are just destruction.

And

that's how to fight or win.

Now, I am always torn on boycotts.

Me too.

I am right now.

Yeah, I'm really torn on boycotts because, I mean, Martin Luther King said, you know, if we don't boycott, if we don't hit him in the pocketbook, it's not going to make a difference.

And he was right.

However, what is

boycotts will work

when there's creative destruction.

And what I mean by that is

it's easy for people to boycott on the left because they can say, I'm not going to watch Fox News.

Well, they're fine not watching Fox News because they have six other things that they like more.

When we say, I'm going to boycott Disney, what are you replacing that hole with?

Well, I'm going to boycott this.

Really?

Are you?

You're going to boycott Google?

You're going to boycott Facebook?

You're going to boycott what?

Apple?

What are you replacing it with?

I mean, there's no way Pat could boycott Facebook.

It's too much of his life.

It's just too big of a part of his life.

Social media for Patreon.

No, but what I'm saying is the average person,

they want to boycott Facebook, but it's already such a big part of their life.

And there's nothing that is on the other side that is just as good.

And so what has to happen is you have to have creative destruction.

And we have to start developing, for instance, we have to go and support some really crappy Christian movies to get to some good Christian movies.

You know what I mean?

And we've done that.

And we've done that.

And you're getting good.

They're getting good.

And it's away from the studio system.

That's a really good example because it's worked

in that case.

You have to, you have to

leave the Blaze out of this.

You have to go and subscribe to Ben Shapiro or to Bill O'Reilly or whatever, the Blaze.

You have to subscribe because we are in the creative destruction process.

You're never going to replace these mainstream media overnight.

It's just not going to happen.

It has to start from the grassroots and then build, and it will get better and better and better.

And 10 years from now, things will be different.

But you can't boycott without the other option that is just as good, if not better.

That's why it works for the right, for the left, and why it doesn't work for the right

i'm not going shopping at target or walmart or or or or kmart or any of the really where are you gonna go buy stuff

i'm not gonna go to target ever again okay

how long did that last

because you like target

You like these places, and there's nothing just as good on the other side because they've got all of those.

I'm going to buy all my groceries at Home Depot now.

That's exactly right.

That's what it's like.

That's the company we have.

So I'm going to go grocery shopping for milk and bread and cookies at Home Depot.

Right.

I'm never buying anything again on Amazon.

Really?

Uh-huh.

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

So, what is it we have, though?

We don't, since we don't do boycotts and don't really even believe in them, although you and I are torn on that a little bit, what do you do to make a statement to to the Disneys and the Netflixes of the world that it's unacceptable?

You know what?

I am so proud of my daughter, Hannah,

because she has become this greenie, and not because of global warming, but because she believes that we waste too much.

Okay.

And she has never lectured me.

I mean, I joke with her all the time.

She comes over and I'm be like, styrofoam.

It's so wonderful.

And it is.

Yeah, it is.

And she, you know, she throws it back in my face, but it's never, she's not trying to convince anyone.

What she's come to the conclusion is, I don't think these big movements actually do anything.

I think

people actually living it and showing it's not that hard

will change things.

For instance, the, the, what's that all, you know, the miracle burger or impossible burger?

Impossible burger.

That's going to change

so much.

Because it's actually good.

Creative destruction.

But people like Stu had to eat those crappy burgers for a long time.

Just 10 years, 10, 15 years.

Yeah, that's it.

That's all.

It wasn't that bad at all.

They finally came out with a good one.

Well, I think it's almost a point, and this goes back to the Obama era, early Obama era, in that it's a thought of a difference between

salvation and collective salvation, right?

Like,

I think that we always think of ourselves as individuals, and you have to do what you believe is right.

And, like,

you know, there's a lot of things that I believe that, you know, I'm not going to sit here and evangelize for because no one cares, right?

Like, you know, you, I mean, I'll tell you if you ask me, but I mean, there's a level of I'm doing what I want to do and believe is right

because I believe it's right.

Not because I'm trying to influence other people or make a giant societal change.

That's right, Anna is.

Yeah, and

I think that's a good place to land.

I mean,

you can only do, you can get obsessed with this stuff because if you tried to, we just joked about it with like, you can't buy something on Amazon.

Imagine trying to actually implement a strategy that you boycotted every company that you disagreed with.

We all know it's undoable.

If you want to have a boycotted, like if it makes you feel like you're doing something, that's fine.

But I mean, like, it's impossible.

Like, you would never watch another television show.

You would never

watch another movie.

You would not be able to go.

The

electricity company you're doing business with is probably doing things that violate your interests.

You wouldn't do anything.

You wouldn't do anything.

Wouldn't do anything.

Right.

And like, you wouldn't have a cell phone.

You wouldn't have a cell phone.

Like the Patriot Mobile ads we talk about all the time.

You wouldn't, unless it's Patriot Mobile.

You would not have cell phones.

And unfortunately, there's not a Patriot Mobile in every category.

And you know what?

Right.

The Patriot Mobile idea, here's a great idea.

Creative destruction.

Creative destruction that people are like, okay, well, I don't know.

I've never heard of.

of.

You know where they base this off of something that was started in California that struggled for a long time.

Same exact thing that was like, we're going to give some of our profits to these crazy progressive groups.

Probably didn't use crazy.

Yeah, I know.

And so it struggled for a long time, then took off, and now is actually influencing elections for the progressives.

And so these guys got together and went, why can't we do that?

Well, they're just going through their growth stage now the same way.

You just have to live it.

You have to say, you know what,

I'm willing to get the same service.

I'm willing to get all of the exact same coverage and everything else.

And I'm willing to put up with the switching over because I'm tired of it.

And that's all you have to put up with.

All you have to put up with.

And that's a hard sell for people.

It is.

But it's even though they made it really easy.

I know.

And a lot of these companies have done the same thing um but it's just hard to find them and you just a lot of times you don't know about but when you find them you need to use them if they really do do the same service or better you that's the way you make an impact Okay,

you got to support the pioneers that are doing the creative destruction because without the creative destruction, without the new ones coming up, you're left with nothing.

You're left with nothing except a losing boycott because everybody's like, I'm never going to.

And they're doing it the very next day because it's, they like it.

They like it.

If you believe in the free market, then you got to support the free market.

You got to find those

entrepreneurs that are doing it and then just quietly use them.

I will tell you, my daughter has talked me into a lot of things, not by saying a word, just by going, you got to be kidding me, really?

This you got and it's cheaper and it tastes like this or it does this or really and it doesn't have any of these bad effects?

Wow.

Okay, I'm in.

That's a really good thing.

Solar energy.

Once solar energy starts to come down in price, we'll all be solar energy nuts.

As long as it works and it's reliable.

Exactly right.

Yeah.

That's the only we don't hate the environment.

it just doesn't work.

We don't hate Christian movies, they just have sucked for so long.

Well, once they start to be good, and they are, I'm there, I'm absolutely there.

Yep, that's improved with unplanned and breakthrough, by the way.

Yeah, yeah, that's a proven theory.

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Tell me, what's the most important story of the week?

The most important story of the week is that due process in America is once again

under siege, and this affects every single person.

And I'm trying to be the Paul Revere guy here to spread the word that somehow, and I really don't explain, I can't really explain it other than blame it on the media.

You know, we don't respect the presumption of innocence anymore.

So I was talking.

Even at the highest levels of government.

I was talking to a federal judge while I was on vacation, and he said,

We judges need to start coming out and hammering our own.

He said, I am seeing things now come across my bench.

He said, where the Constitution, the law, nothing, nothing has gone into this decision except what that judge felt was the right thing.

And he said, we're developing a country that is being ruled by feelings alone.

And the rule of law is completely going out the window.

And I think that's what it is.

We only care about how people feel and what I feel and what feels right.

Yeah.

Well, I think it's a it's a dual

problem.

You've got the activist judges and everybody knows that.

That any kind of an abortion

question or challenge, you know there's four people on the Supreme Court that are going to rule in favor of abortion, no matter what it is.

And that's wrong, of course.

The other side, you don't really know.

You really don't know.

You know, Clarence Thomas, I think, would be the most reliable against anything abortion, but the others, you know, really know.

Right.

But what I'm talking about is the Mueller,

he sits there, he comes out, he sits there, and this was all about cocktail parties.

I'll explain that in a moment.

But the Mueller thing, he comes out and he goes, you know, I'm a prosecutor.

That's what I was hired to do.

And I investigated two years alleged

crimes.

And I really don't have any evidence.

And I wrote a report for almost 500 pages that says, I don't really have any evidence.

I mean, there were occurrences,

things that happened, but nothing

that I can say

was a criminal referral, as Judge Starr did with Bill Clinton 11 times.

But I don't have anything.

So instead of just saying, good night, everyone, thank you.

I'll see you

down the road.

No.

Then he has to pivot and say, but

my investigators can't say President Trump didn't do anything wrong.

Right.

That is so outrageous.

That's not his job.

That's the job of CNN.

That's their job, okay?

Not Mueller's job.

And what Mueller did was he denied a fellow American who happens to be the president due process.

Well, he cloaked it.

He cloaked it.

It was really fascinating.

He cloaked it in the reason why I didn't say that he was guilty of a crime is because there's no due process for him so I care about due process and in because I couldn't bring up a criminal charge I'm not gonna say he committed these crimes because then there was nowhere to go with it so but that's false

That's false.

I mean, you saw the star report.

And yes, they have clarified what can and can't happen to a sitting president, but you can still refer.

You can refer.

And then when Donald Trump leaves office, then he has to answer.

Well, but not only that,

we all know that if he said that there was a crime committed, then we know the process is

then turn it over to Congress and he'll be impeached.

So the question is.

Or convene a grand jury.

Correct.

The problem here is,

why did we do this if the answer was well i can't tell you if a crime was committed or not that wasn't the answer he just made it up

he just made it up

all right that gave him cover

all right so then let's get to the real reason he did this so he's a swamp creature right robert mueller would everybody agree with that stew are you still awake here would you agree

but yes i would mueller is a swamp creature that means he makes his living in the Washington, D.C.

bureaucracy and always has.

Okay.

So he issues a report that basically exonerates Donald Trump, who the swamp wants to kill.

All right.

And so all his swamp friends, they don't like that.

So all of a sudden, all the cocktail parties and the barbecues and the country club, I'll meet you, we'll have a drink, we'll have a little dinner.

That all stops.

And he's got to get it back.

And that's why he did what he did.

Now,

hang on, oh, you're crazy, O'Reilly.

This, that, and the other thing.

This is the primary motivator for the liberal elite in America socializing, being accepted at the highest levels, being seen in the salons.

That is everything to them.

So I was

never invited anywhere.

Never.

So we have to throw that in, that we're jealous.

So, Bill,

let me ask you this.

Let me ask you this.

I think you're absolutely right.

In fact, I know you're right on this.

Thank you.

And I know how intoxicating that is.

That

when you're offered the opportunity to be part of the cool kid table, we all know this from high school.

It's enormously hard not to turn your back on that one weirdo friend that you've had that you actually really like, but is really unpopular when the popular kids want to try to include you in their club.

That's the mean girl syndrome.

Exactly.

And, you know, it gets to the point where this infects, and that's the word, politicians, judges,

especially news people on television.

Oh, my God, they live for that invitation.

And it

infects them so that they can't be fair anymore.

They have to tilt over to the cool kids.

And that's what this Mueller thing was all about.

Now, do we have time for me to tell you about the phone call I got from President Trump the night Mueller gave his address?

Yes.

Let me take one-minute break and then we'll come back with that.

Bill O'Reilly.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

Bill O'Reilly, you got a phone call from Donald Trump.

Yes, because I'm wrapping up the United States of Trump, my book, my history book on him, that'll be out

on September 24th.

And I needed to get one more

interview.

with the president, particularly after the Mueller thing, the report, and all of that.

So, you know, he's not real thrilled about this book anyway.

Donald Trump is not, because it goes way back and traces his whole life and then explains how he did this amazing thing and how he's sitting in the White House and who he really is and how he feels about his country, really.

Okay?

So he doesn't know.

He knows me a long time and he knows I'm going to tell the truth.

But he calls me, all right?

And it was nice of him to do it because I'm badgering his PR people going, look, I need to get a final interview with him to wrap this book.

And he calls me about 10.15 at night Eastern Time.

He goes, wow, Bill, are you still up?

I said, I'm like, you, I'm a vampire.

I never sleep.

So I talked to him.

And the Mueller thing comes right up because that's what I wanted him.

My basic question to the president was,

since you have gone through this for three three years, being pounded into pudding by the media and investigated in this, that, and the other thing, has your opinion of America changed?

Now, I'm not going to give you his answer because

I have it in the book, but I'm going to tell you that he wailed on Mueller.

And he said that Mueller hates him.

He uses that word.

He goes, Mueller hates me.

And I said,

Why would he hate you?

And President Trump said, Because when I fired Comey, Mueller called me and and asked for Comey's job as head of the FBI, and I said no.

But it goes on back further, the president told me, that he was in one of my golf clubs on the Potomac River, and he was going to move out of the neighborhood and wanted his deposit back.

And I wouldn't give it to him because if I did that, I have to divide to everybody.

And I said, how much was it?

He goes, $15,000.

And I said, Mueller called you and you took the call.

He goes, yeah, I talked to him, and it was a, quote, quote, nasty conversation.

And that, and he said that Mueller hates me.

He's always hated me.

And that's now why he did what he did today.

Okay, so let me ask you this question.

I like to hear that.

Let me play devil's advocate.

Okay.

The president has a pattern of saying, somebody called me for a job.

Somebody called me for help.

And it's not always true.

Okay, well, well, what do you want me to do?

Put him on a lie detective?

Well, I just want to.

He's reporting what he said to me.

Right.

What I want to know.

If it's true or not,

that's.

I don't know.

How can you check it?

But the fact that he's sane.

Look, let's put it this way.

I've known him 30 years.

He's never told me a falsehood directly to me.

Okay.

Ever.

I mean, that's all I can tell you.

Bill, am I incorrect in believing that this is somewhat big breaking news?

Like, did was this known before this phone call?

Like, I had never heard the story that he asked for the FBI job.

I was doing it on billorilly.com,

which is the premier website, political website in the country.

I'm a member, I know, yeah.

So, I did, I did do that.

I'm a member, too.

More of a member of the budget.

I always want to give you and Beck, you know, some good stuff for your audience,

and I believe they're interested in that.

All right.

So, Bill,

what happens happens now?

I mean, you were here for the impeachment of

Lincoln's successor,

and

you went through Watergate

and

with Clinton.

What is Congress going to do now?

Start their own hearings?

I don't think so.

But I could be wrong.

Oh, I hate saying that.

Oh, it's so painful.

Could be wrong, but I don't think so.

Why?

Because the independent voters, if you look at the polling,

most Americans do not want this dog and pony impeachment show based upon what we know now, which is you don't really have anything.

And the Senate will never convict.

So why put the country through this when we have vexing problems that need to be solved and you're not solving them?

You're not even trying to solve them.

So that's Americans, they want Congress to solve problems, okay,

to put the country in a more prosperous position.

And you don't do that when you're drumming up impeachment stuff.

The only people that are going to prosper from that are cable TV news.

That's all.

And

I think that the Democrats really are fearful

that if they do this, independent voters will turn on the party.

They'll lose the House.

they'll never get the Senate back, and then Trump will be reelected.

So that's an overarch fear.

I said this

the day that

Mueller came out, and I said,

don't fear impeachment hearings

because I think that works against, and in fact, if the economy starts to go down, I think that actually would strengthen the president if they were in impeachment hearings.

Because I remember, Bill, you know, this is before the blue dress came out.

And I thought that Bill Clinton absolutely did all of those things and was lying.

But there was this moment when he said, I did not have sex with her, not one time, and I didn't tell anybody to lie.

And I've got to get back to work for the American people.

There was even a part in me that said, wow.

I mean, this is, I mean, we do have other priorities.

And I caught myself and I was like, wait, wait, wait.

But I think if the economy, which has gone so well, if the economy was going and having problems and they were focused on impeachment, I think that it actually could turn around because Trump would be saying, this is nonsense.

You've known it's nonsense.

And everything that we have to work on, they got me so tied down on this impeachment stuff, I can't do the things I need to do.

I think it actually would really, really hurt them.

Yeah, I mean, that's the fear of Nancy Felosi and the Democratic Party.

The other thing is that cable news ratings this week have not been strong,

which has surprised me.

I mean, in general, they are deteriorating.

The cable news networks are losing viewers and substantially.

But I figured, well, this week, you know, with all of the

stuff going on,

you know, they're going to really

go through, you know, go up because Mueller and everything like that.

Well, Racial Matter is getting hammered

this week.

They're not doing well.

Demographically, they're all getting killed.

Last night, I have these numbers right in front of me.

I'm reading them.

Not one, the cable news show did more than a half million 25 to 54 viewers.

Not one?

Yeah, not one.

That means the folks have had enough.

Enough.

Yeah, the two

entities that Americans are walking away from right now are the Russian collusion Mueller and Godzilla.

Enough with Godzilla.

I will take you, Godzilla.

I will take you on and take you down for that.

Let's see

how many monsters have to wreck San Francisco.

Never enough.

There are never enough.

The Godzilla, I mean, look, I grew up making fun of Godzilla.

I used to watch them for fun on on Saturdays.

I was the guy in the rubber suit.

I would have loved to have been the guy in the rubber suit.

They've always been horrible, but the last one and this one look tremendous.

You're not going to see Godzilla this week?

Are you nuts?

I mean,

you were buying Matthew Broderick, was running away from a lizard?

No, no, no.

Not the Matthew Broderick suit.

That's two Godzillas ago.

That's two.

The one before this one.

Brian Cranston.

You can't keep track of them back.

Oh, yeah, well.

The best of the Glenn Bank program.

There is a Pulitzer Prize-winning author.

He is, he's not a hack.

He is not from the right.

He He has no reason to put this out, or so you would think.

He would have no reason to put this out about Martin Luther King if it weren't true.

He is the

guy who is the expert on Martin Luther King.

He is embraced by everybody on the left and everybody who's a King fan.

This is the ultimate biography of Martin Luther King.

He wrote it in the 80s.

Now, he has just come out with a document that says that the government has a tape.

It has not been released, but it has been heard.

Well,

there's a memo describing it written by the FBI.

Right, that he has.

The FBI has heard it.

Yes, and they transcribed and summarized it.

Correct.

And he has that memo.

So it hasn't been heard by anybody today that we know of.

This is just a memo that is showing what tapes they have on Martin Luther King.

We know that J.

Edgar Hoover was making tapes of Martin Luther King.

Kennedy and Johnson were spying on King because Hoover thought that he was a communist and also thought he was very low of moral character.

Now, these things have all always been denied.

Well, the moral character one, there's been evidence of, right?

You know, in the story, it talks about how they thought he had 10 to 12 mistresses throughout his life, and they think now the number is more like 40 or 45.

It's a lot.

Okay.

It keeps you busy.

Now,

the question that you should ask is

because we don't know if this tape, until this tape is released in 2027, and I would urge for history's sake that that tape is released if it exists, or any other tapes are released long before 2027.

In fact, in the next 18 to two years, 18 months to two years, because digital audio deep fakes are not good yet.

By 2027, you will not believe your eyes and you will not believe your ears.

So any audio tape

after really 2020, 2022, you're not going to believe.

It won't make any impact.

So if you want to know if this is true, that tape and any other tapes like it for anything should be released now

because we don't have the technology to fake them yet.

Why would this guy do this?

This guy is a celebrated leftist.

This puts him in the outs, and you could say, well, he just wants to tell the truth.

Okay, maybe, maybe so, maybe so.

When did he get this memo?

Who gave this memo to him?

And who is he?

Now we know that he's been

lefty, but what does that mean?

In his own words, he is a,

what did he call himself?

A quintessential Bernie Sanders donor.

And he said he is also a democratic socialist

and has been at times an enthusiastic participator in democratic socialism.

Okay?

This is the author.

This is the author that has released this information.

Why would you release this information?

Why would you release this information now?

Well, what is

democratic socialism?

Democratic socialism,

for it to come true, several things have to happen.

But one,

you must destroy anyone who talks about the individual.

Democratic socialist, it is not about the individual.

It is about the collective.

What is the hardest thing for a socialist to get around or any of these people who

are talking about social justice now, the way it's interpreted today,

the biggest obstacle they have is Martin Luther King because he is still for individual salvation.

Content of character.

Content.

Judge me by the content of my character, not the color of my skin.

And I see a day when blacks and whites can play together.

Okay?

That's his message.

Well, that's a very conservative message, quite frankly.

Today, especially.

Yes.

His message of, America, live up to your founding documents.

All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain rights.

That is not a democratic socialist message, nor is it helpful to those who are democratic socialists.

You must destroy that, but you have to destroy it in such a spectacular way.

Now, think of this.

If this is true, that tape was released.

That he watched and laughed as a rape was going on.

As it was going on, if he was saying these horrible, horrible things to a woman in an orgy.

Is he a guy we have a Martin Luther King Day for?

Is he a guy we have statues for, boulevards named after?

That's a really bad guy.

If you're going to pull down statues of people from 1800, you've got to pull down a guy from 1960 because 1960 was not about that either.

At least that's not what we were told he was about.

And I'm sure you can find many civil rights activists that did not participate in rapes.

Exactly right.

So you can have a holiday.

still about some civil rights activist, but can you have a holiday for a guy who watched a rape on tape?

And laughed?

And laughed about it?

I don't know if he can.

Can you have statues for that person?

I don't know if he can.

Even though you can still say what he said was good, you cannot hold him up to be.

You can hold his words up, but you cannot hold him up to be that guy.

What they have to do is destroy him and his words.

And that's the problem.

They don't just destroy Thomas Jefferson.

They destroy his words.

And because he was such a bad person, all of his words are disqualified from being positive.

And to your point here, listen to this quote from the author.

He said, the new information, quote, poses so fundamental a challenge to his historical stature as to require the most complete and extensive historical review possible.

I mean, he, that is a, I mean, that is like,

if this is true, and again, we don't 100% know that it is, though it was in FBI documents, and there's apparently a tape showing that he actually did this.

If it's clear on tape, I mean, can the American people stand by and say,

allow that to go on?

You know, you take Martin Luther King Day a national holiday?

And

what does that do to African Americans?

I mean, God, you think the Bill Cosby thing was jarring?

Right?

Like, here's a guy who's a popular sitcom host in the 80s or like a really popular singer in the king of pop.

He had his issues.

This guy's like

the guy when it comes to civil rights in the United States of America.

And I would say a rape is a violation of civil rights.

I'm going to go out and say it.

I think it is.

So it's going to be difficult to hold if that tape exists and it is as

described in this story and multiple others.

It's almost incomprehensible you'd have a holiday for that person.

I mean, I'm not sure.

So that is the story.

That's the story.

But here's the real story behind that.

Why now?

Who leaked that?

How did it get to him?

When did it get to him?

Why?

Is he an honest broker or is he a democratic socialist

who is a strong activist who understands you've got to destroy him?

Is this part of a movement of destroying all of our heroes and turning everything upside down and inside out.

I think it is.

I think it is.

Think about losing Martin Luther King.

African Americans have had all of their heroes taken away.

All of their heroes have been taken away.

Now,

Martin Luther King is destroyed?

Not marginalized, destroyed.

How does that leave the African-American looking at history?

Is there anyone?

Is there anyone they can look up to in American history?

Or that a white guy won't destroy, right?

Yes.

Here's a white guy bringing out all this information with probably white FBI agents and everything else.

I mean, it's going to be hard not to look at that.

This is not good.

No.

This is not.

I mean, I just don't know how you ignore it.

You know, I don't know how you look at a story like this.

If it's true, you can't just ignore it.

You can't just ignore it.

Well, the media has.

The media pretty much has.

Yeah, I mean, there's definitely been coverage of it, but

it hasn't been as big a story as you would think.

I mean, certainly, if this story came out about some conservative religious figure that was.

Well, this came out about Billy Graham.

Right.

There were tapes on Billy Graham.

Can you imagine what they'd be doing to Billy Graham?

Oh, my gosh.

And I think they just don't know what to do with it.

They did people like Jim Baker for having an affair.

They destroyed the guy.

But remember, remember,

this is coming from the left, not the Democrats, from the Democratic Socialist.

This is coming from a guy who says, I'm in with the Bernie Sanders crew.

Who did we introduce you to last night with Bernie Sanders crew?

What picture are you starting to see about who Bernie Sanders surrounds himself with?

You have to watch that episode if you didn't see it last night.

If you want to understand this Martin Luther King thing and see how it might fit in, you look at this guy's credentials, what he says about how a big supporter he is of Bernie Sanders, and you then drop in this piece, and all of a sudden, you start to understand exactly what's happening in our society.

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How are you?

I am great.

Mark, I have to tell you, I was up on vacation.

I bought your book and I bought the audio book.

And

I downloaded it last Tuesday.

And I was painting for the day.

And I put my earbuds in.

And

lo and behold, about five o'clock in the afternoon, I stop.

And I've been painting, and my family keeps walking in and out of the room.

And as I pull my earbuds off, they're all laughing at me.

And I said, What?

And they said, We have really enjoyed you today, Dad.

And I said,

Okay, how?

I mean, we haven't even talked to each other.

And they said, All day long, we've been listening to you go, uh-huh, yes,

yes,

finally, yes,

whoa,

huh, I didn't know that.

Wow, and it was all me commenting on your book the entire day.

Really, really well written.

Really well written.

And a lot of great information.

So congratulations on your number one status.

The name of the book is Unfreedom of the Press.

Mark,

tell the audience why this is not just a...

Why this is a book that

transcends

today's politics.

First of all, you're very kind.

Now, are you painting paintings or are you painting the walls?

No, I'm painting paintings, yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

I call them 10-hour memes, but

I'll send you some stuff.

I would love to see them.

Yeah, thanks.

First of all, you're very kind, and I very much appreciate it.

The question was, I think, why did I write this book?

Well, look, the reason it transcends politics is because it's about the Constitution.

And the Constitution transcends politics.

The Constitution's about our rights

and our liberties and protecting them.

And so, you know, Glenn, I've written a lot about the Constitution and American history and philosophy.

And I said, you know what?

One area I don't know a lot about is the history of the press.

And they're in our face.

They're in our living room.

They're in our bedrooms.

They are berating us.

They are propagandizing to us.

They're wrapping themselves in the First Amendment.

I think I need to get to the bottom of this.

And so I did what I always do.

I said to my wife, I'll see you in about 16 months.

So

you have no idea what she said to me.

One day when we meet, she'll tell you.

So anyway,

so that means nights and weekends, and that's what I do.

You know, some people play golf or whatever.

This is what I do.

So

I dug in the history of the media.

It's not a history book, but some of that's necessary, so we have perspective.

We have the Patriot Press before the revolution, before the revolution, with the printers, you know, moving their printing presses, being chased by the British.

And they were really unique and the original Patriots, because they are the ones ones who pushed the ideas of the Enlightenment.

They are the ones who pushed the ideas of Aristotle and Cicero and Locke.

And they were spreading them among the colonists.

And, you know, Obama talks about fundamental transformation.

They didn't want to fundamentally transform society or human nature.

They wanted to fundamentally transform government.

They were living under a tyranny.

They wanted representation.

They didn't like big taxes.

They didn't like to be pushed around by government.

They believed in property rights, all these things that you and I and our audiences believe in.

And so they pushed a revolution.

And the word got out, you know, there were about three dozen newspapers, that's it.

There were several hundred pamphlets and pamphleteers, and word would get out slowly and this information would be published and people would discuss it.

They discuss it in their pubs, at home and so forth.

Frankly, much like we do on talk radio.

This is really a unique format because there's really no other national format where this occurs, but they would do it at a local level.

And so just to jump quickly, you had the revolution and soon after the revolution, you had the party press.

This is the part of the book that I found really fascinating because you point out

the people knew when you got the Democratic ledger, you knew

what it was, that it was an organ for it was that point of view coming at you.

And so you could read the Democrat and you could read Republican and you'd balance them yourselves.

They weren't masquerading as

fair and balanced.

No.

In fact, in some cases, publishers and editors were on the payroll of the post office or something like that, depending on the administration.

It was a very rough period for the press, but they were very honest about who they were, as you point out.

You have papers today, the Arkansas Democrat Gazette, the Arizona Republic, was the Arizona Republican.

So they were full-throated about candidates, parties, causes they supported.

And then you you move through, and I passed the yellow journalism period because it's not that interesting.

And then you move through to the early part of the last century, the progressive movement, of which you're well familiar.

The progressive movement was ubiquitous.

They really, it is a poison that spread into all aspects of our society.

And John Dewey, as you know, one of the intellectuals behind that movement,

he focused specifically on schooling and the media.

And just so the audience understands, the purpose here, as is typical, was to have a relative handful of people determine what news is, digest it, analyze it, interpret it, and then burp it up for the rest of us.

You really captured the progressive disease really well in explaining it.

You know, it's funny, I was attacked in the Washington Post yesterday, and I love these guys because they prove the point of the book, and I take my time going through their attack on me, which is usually personal.

I don't really care.

But they do exactly what I say in the book.

They are exactly as I say in the book because they are who they are.

And and so you have people, Lippmann and others, saying at the time that people are too busy or they're too stupid, so we'll figure this stuff out.

And this this went on for a while.

And then you get up to a few decades ago, where on top of that they added social activism.

They call themselves public press or community press.

And they've really bought into you know Alinsky tactics and these other tactics of the hard left.

It's being pushed in journalism school.

A lot of these guys haven't gone to journalism journalism school.

They come out of the Democrat Party, come out of an administration, or this is their mindset regardless.

And so today what we're getting on T V is a one-party press rather than a two-party press that is pushing the progressive agenda and social activism.

That's why there's not a dime's worth of difference between most of the media and the Democrat Party today.

They're just this they're honest to God.

And in the first chapter, I show you the surveys, I show you the research, I show you the professors, I show you some of the reporters, what they're saying.

There's very little diversity in newsrooms today.

There's very little diversity in reporting today.

You can predict what they're going to say.

The only debate on the left in the media today really is, do we come out and say who we are, like a lot of them are doing now?

Yes, we're liberals, we're progressives, and thank God for us, thank God we know what the news is, or there wouldn't have been a civil rights movement or

climate change issue.

So they really believe they are the truth-tellers.

And then the other side, like the New York Times today saying, well, you know, we don't want all of our people on measly CNN and MSNBC because they have a different view, which is, yes, we're all those things, but we really don't want to admit it because we're the paper of record, you know.

And

they're not.

They're just,

they live in these circles.

that allow them to believe that they are the fair and balanced one, that they are the, well, no, we're just, we are the paper of record.

They live in those circles and

they don't care to me.

In fact, I think they despise most of the people that live in the center of the country or have different points of view.

And so it's just a self-fulfilling

label for them.

You are exactly right.

Most of them live in the same areas, generally, you know, within a 40, 50 mile radius of Washington or New York, most of them.

Even the new so-called left-wing reporters live in mostly blue Hillary, Clinton counties.

Studies have been done on this.

They self-identify as either Democrat or liberal in large numbers.

The last survey showed about 4% identifying as conservatives.

It's much like universities where faculty hire faculty, so they pick the same ideological

ideology that people share and take them out of the same Ivy League schools.

It's a lot of that is the same.

But the New York Times I focused on in particular because this is held up as the gold standard, and the gold standard isn't worth crap.

And I go back and do the history of the New York Times during the Holocaust and the history of the New York Times when Stalin was wiping out the Ukrainians.

And when you look at this.

That's the part where my family was hearing me go, yes, yes, finally, yes.

And you know what, Glenn?

If you read that chapter, you will never view the New York Times the same again.

No.

The New York Times, and I, you know, I pulled from some of the greatest scholars on this subject.

During the Holocaust, the New York Times did everything it could to bury the Holocaust in the back pages of its newspaper.

The New York Times did this for several reasons.

Number one, FDR wanted to tamp down the focus on the Holocaust.

The New York Times liked FDR, liked the New Deal agenda.

Number two, I'm Jewish.

It was owned by a Jewish family.

They didn't want the New York Times to be viewed mostly as a niche Jewish newspaper.

So they felt that they really shouldn't focus on the Holocaust.

The owner, the publisher, Sulzberger, was sort of a secular Jew, and he didn't like these Jewish organizations in New York lobbying him for a Jewish state, and that kind of turned him off.

And all of that was poured into the pages or poured into the mindset of the New York Times.

So while the European Jews are being wiped out, whole towns, the Jews are missing, it's being reported in European newspapers and eyewitnesses, they would have none of it.

And it wasn't until 1944.

where the vast majority of the American people were informed of the extent of the extermination of the Jews during the Holocaust.

Now ask yourself this.

Is there any other business that could survive having done that and be called the paper of record?

No.

It is a disgrace.

And

they come up with these weasel-worded so-called apologies about it.

And then you look 10 years earlier, they had a guy, Walter Duranti, who was their correspondent for 12 years in Moscow.

He was in Stalin's back pocket.

And Stalin decides that these darn Ukrainian

peasants will not buckle to my commune ideology.

So rather than shooting one at a time, he decides to wipe out the entire population if he can.

He cuts off the Ukraine from all communication, all transportation, all food and water.

These poor people are cannibalizing each other.

Solzhenitsyn talks about the Ukrainians trying to get into the gulag to try to get some food late at night.

They could hear them at the gates.

A couple of British reporters go in from the Manchester Guardian.

They see it.

They report it.

Mr.

Duranty, on the payroll of the New York Times, said, it's not happening.

You know, they're having a harvest issue.

They're just working out the stuff.

And as far as Stalin goes, you know, that old saying, sometimes you've got to break a few eggs?

That comes from him.

He wrote that in an article for the New York Times.

He trashed the British journalists who were reporting on what was taking place.

The executives at the New York Times had to know.

And you know, he got a Pulitzer Prize, and they still haven't given back the Pulitzer Prize for this.

This is what I point out.

So, when you see the New York Times, when the Hamas are shooting missiles in the Tel Aviv, and somehow the New York Times is defending Hamas and trashing Israel, that's nothing new, nothing new.

And when they run these Holocaust-like cartoons, oh, they got by our editor.

You know, a lot has gotten by your editor, as a matter of fact.

I want the people to know that's the New York Times.

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