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In fact, it's worse now.

We have Joe Biden yesterday saying, we have to,

we must provide illegals

with health care.

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You may not know his his name, but if you read the New York Times bestseller or saw, what is it, I think a Netflix show, Mindhunter, this is the guy who has interviewed David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson,

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It's going to be a fascinating interview.

Also, Dave Rubin is going to be joining us today

and Blake J.

Harris

more on Facebook and his book, The History of the Future, coming up.

But I want to start with...

Can we play the audio of Joe Biden where he is He is talking compassionately here about how America must now provide health care for people who are here illegally.

Look, I think that anyone who is in a situation where they're in need of health care, regardless of whether they're documented or undocumented, we have an obligation to see that they're cared for.

That's why I think we need more clinics around the country.

And this idea that undocumented, and by the way, a significant portion of

undocumented folks in this country are there because they've overstayed their visas.

It's not people breaking down gates coming across across the border.

Okay, stop.

Either way, it doesn't matter.

Here's the thing.

If you want socialized medicine, then you must have a secure border.

We cannot do both.

You want open borders?

Great.

Private medicine.

But you cannot open the borders and say, anybody who's sick, Come to America.

Because then we're healing the world and we will not have the resources to heal anybody in a very short period of time.

That's just math.

And I know that math doesn't really work for socialists right now.

But in the end, the gods of the copybook headings will teach us that two and two do indeed always equal four.

Yeah.

I mean, this is amazing.

You have

a

society that is trying to do both, right?

I mean, even libertarians, and there are some libertarians who kind of not open borders, but argue for much, you know, how many libertarians are open borders.

Some of them might even say they're open borders.

But the reason is: well, we don't have to support them.

We can do, we don't, we don't, we don't have to have these giant programs.

We don't want them.

So if you don't have socialist medicine, if you don't have free health care for everybody, if you don't have a requirement to treat every person at a hospital that needs to be treated.

Or educate

every kid that comes in.

Right.

Financially, it's still, it's not, it's not a problem.

Now, there's other reasons why you might not want to do that, but financially, it doesn't become as big a problem because, well, I mean, look, you're not giving away all this money.

There's still employment and concerns and everything else.

But this is the way it goes every single time.

And you have to put your, you have to understand, and I don't think many of the younger millennials and younger who are suddenly embracing socialism realize what underlies that.

What underlies all of socialism is your dedication to the state.

It's the state as your God.

And that is really where this, you know, where this ends up.

You can sit back and say, well, I want this program and I want this program.

But once things start going wrong, the socialist government that you've given all this power to has no other option but to protect itself at all costs.

And that dedication winds up killing 100 million people in a century or so, right?

We've seen this before.

There's a great new series on HBO called Chernobyl.

Have you seen this yet?

I haven't.

I've seen the ads for it, but I will tell you, this is a great way, assuming that it's good.

I know you've seen it.

So assuming that it is good,

this is a great way to teach our kids who did not live through the Soviet Union, teach our kids and our grandkids exactly what it's like to live in a socialist country.

Remember, it's not really communists.

You know, the communists, oh, they didn't do communism right.

No, that's right.

That's why it was the USSR,

Soviet socialist states.

Okay, so it was not communism because that's the higher law.

It was socialist.

And so when you see what a real socialist state was, and Chernobyl is a great example of what happens.

And it's also a great example of what happens to the regular people.

Because the regular people who are in this society, they might not be socialist ideologues, ideologues, right?

They're people who are just trying to make a living and they're living under what is, I believe, a terrible system.

And many of the people in the Soviet Union during Chernobyl were heroes.

The people who were working there, the people who came in to try to stop it.

Firefighters.

Firefighters.

I mean, and they talk about this and they show it in great detail of what they went through and what they were asked to do.

But let me give you this part.

This is amazing.

So

to set the scene, Chernobyl's happened, the nuclear meltdown in

the Soviet Union and Ukraine.

And they are talking about

what do we do?

Now, they have not come to the point where they realized how bad it was or had admitted to themselves how bad it was.

And they're just starting to have those first conversations back and forth about,

most people are saying, oh, it's a fire and it's mostly out.

And the other side's saying, look,

I think we should evacuate the town.

I mean, this looks a lot worse than we thought it was.

And we should get the people out of the town.

And so

the two sides of this arguing back and forth at this table as they're planning for what happens to the people in the community.

And as this is all going on,

an old guy, an old socialist, an old school guy, taps his cane on the floor and silences the room and gives this speech.

It's amazing.

Listen to this.

I wonder how many of you know the name of this place.

We will call it Chernobyl, of course.

What is its real name?

Vladimir I.

Lenin Nuclear Power Station.

Exactly.

Vladimir I.

Lenin.

And how proud he would be of you all tonight.

Especially you, young man.

And the passion you have for the people.

For is that not the sole purpose of the apparatus of the state?

Sometimes we forget.

Sometimes we fall prey to fear

that our faith in Soviet socialism

will always be rewarded.

The state tells us the situation here is not dangerous.

Have faith, comrades.

The state tells us it wants to prevent a panic.

Listen well.

It's true.

When the people see the police, they will be afraid.

But it is my experience

that when the people ask questions that are not in their own best interest,

They should simply be told to keep their minds on their labor

and leave matters of the state

to the state.

We seal off the city.

No one leaves.

And cut the phone lines

contain the spread of misinformation.

That is how

we keep the people from undermining the fruits of their own labor.

Yes, comrades

we will all be rewarded for what we do here tonight

this is our moment to shine

that is wow amazing they don't let the people undermine their fruits of their own labor when they ask questions that are not in their best interests so john huntsman was a friend of mine John Huntsman Sr.

And

we talked because he was one of the first guys in the former Soviet Union.

And, you know, the idea was capitalists can go in and help heal the country.

So, he bought Aeroflot Airlines.

Did you know that?

No, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

So, he bought when the Soviet Union collapsed,

these were all state-run things.

And they sold them off.

And they sold them off.

So, he went in and he thought, I'll buy Aeroflot so the planes can still fly.

He bought Aeroflot.

He sold it so quickly because when he bought it, little did he know how bad things were.

They literally would lose planes full of passengers, plow it into a mountain.

And when the families would be waiting at the gate, waiting for their family, that plane to arrive, they would say, it's late.

And then they would would find out that, you know, it was, it had crashed, the, the heads of it, and they would say, the heads of Aeroflot would just tell the gate people,

never took off.

This, this never took off.

This plane didn't, this, this plane didn't exist.

And so the people who were standing at the gate went,

I just talked to my aunt or my husband.

He was getting on to that plane.

Nope, that plane didn't, that didn't, it never took off.

I don't know where your husband is.

and they just had to go back to their home and concentrate on their labor yeah i mean

couldn't ask questions that's that is the real problem of socialism is there's no police to run to

when a corporation that would never happen in america can you imagine a plane just plows into a mountain and american airlines would say nep that plane never took off it wouldn't it wouldn't happen yeah no it wouldn't happen but if the state controls the communication, the airlines, and absolutely everything else, who are you going to run to?

Your husband dies in a plane crash.

Your husband is at Chernobyl,

and it's a massive meltdown.

Nobody gets sued.

Nobody investigates because the police are part of it.

And socialists don't understand

that.

Somehow or another, they just, and it comes from this progressive idea that

man can progress.

Well, yes, man can progress, but each man must progress on his own.

And so, and there are certain things that are naturally born into all of us.

And a

willingness to be corrupt, if you're in charge,

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Yeah, a friend of mine works with a bunch of millennials, and

they were having some conversation about some mandatory program that generally speaking would be a good idea, but should it be mandatory?

And none of them could see any negative.

These aren't left-wingers either.

Couldn't see any negative in the government forcing these people to participate in it.

And

it's fascinating because that is

all they could see was the common good.

Well, what you just heard, that speech is the end of the common good.

That's where it gets to.

Remember, he's not doing this because he wants to kill people.

He's doing this because he wants to protect Soviet socialism, which is for the common good.

And I have a proposal here.

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I think when you go to a voting booth and you try to vote for Bernie Sanders, you should have to wait and watch that entire video before the vote goes through.

Just you should just be

what you're voting for.

Are you sure?

Are you sure?

Are you sure?

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Station ID.

Okay, so who do you call when

the police are part of the problem?

Who do you call?

Yesterday, for the second time in history, our Attorney General was

brought up on contempt charges.

Okay?

And the reason why they brought him up on contempt charges is because the Democrats said he has to release all

of the

Mueller report, all of it, unredacted.

Well, I don't know because I haven't seen it, but I doubt that's the best idea is to put all of a grand jury

report out

where you...

You haven't, you're going to have innocent people

who are going to be named.

You're going to have all kinds of problems with that.

We don't release grand jury reports ever, and there's good reason for it.

Right.

And remember, we've now backed off of the point where initially they were praised for redacting so little of the report.

Right.

Now we've moved on to, oh, now they've redacted too much.

Okay.

So

for the second time in U.S.

history, do you know the first time in U.S.

history, the Attorney General.

You had mentioned it to me yesterday.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Eric Holder.

For what?

Not giving up the documents related to Fast and Furious.

Correct.

Do you remember the press outrage for that?

Because I don't.

I don't remember.

I remember people,

there was outrage, but it was outrage about how Republicans were pouncing on it.

Correct.

Correct.

That was the outrage.

That's what happens.

That's what's happened.

That's what happens when you have a socialist government.

First of all, a socialist government is a one-party system.

And if you don't believe me that that's where we're headed, just take a look at social media.

If you're not in line,

you don't have a voice,

and they are silencing voices.

What do you think if the Democrats, I should say the socialists, if the socialists control this country, they say the free market is over, they will control health care.

They will control the media.

They will control everything.

What do you think happens when 50% of the country says, no, I don't want this.

I like the capitalist society.

Do you think they compromise?

Or do you think they say the

state must do this for the common good?

We must re-educate these people.

We must bring them along because they're hurting the common good.

That's how massacres happen.

And that's how the Soviets and the socialists the Nazis as well that's the way it happens every single time that's what's happening in Venezuela you don't make the government the police

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Well, everybody's talking about it.

Everybody's talking about it.

Everybody.

It's crazy.

It's a little embarrassing.

And what do you have?

Calm down, everybody.

And

what do you have for us today?

I have a stat that I think you're going to love on immigration.

Well, illegal immigration.

I'm going to love it.

Yeah, I think you're going to love this.

From the entire populations of Guatemala and Honduras, 1% of the total population of each of those countries has crossed the U.S.

border.

But you're thinking, okay, what?

Since 1975, 1980?

Since last September.

But, you know, how old were you last September?

I was six.

And so

1%

of the population of two

pretty significant countries have illegally entered our country in the last nine months.

Nine months.

Wow.

Well, this is definitely not a problem.

It's not a crisis.

It's not a crisis.

It's not an invasion.

Can you imagine if 1%

of Iran or al-Qaeda, 1% of Al-Qaeda came across and just was in

nine months in America, would we say there's a problem?

I mean, of course we would.

I would love to know what percentage must come across the border illegally from those two countries or any other countries 75 75 and then they'd they'd get alarmed then i'd i'd start to get worried i'd put him in a chain link fence at that point hang on just a second i mean you can't look at it as if well it's not a hundred percent right we didn't empty out both those countries there's still some people to come

could i make the suggestion i mean i make the suggestion that

Let's slow down on this.

Let's think about this for a minute.

Okay.

Because there's no place for conservatives to go right now.

Like, I'd love to live in California.

I'll never live in California.

It's crazy.

So,

why don't we look at Honduras

and say,

okay, I tell you what, you guys sneak across the border and you come in here.

And when you get to about 99%,

just alert us.

And then I'm going to go down to Honduras, buy the entire country, and we will live as conservatives and free men.

You know, that's kind of appealing, actually.

It is.

It's kind of appealing.

We've got oceanfront property.

We'll start over

and

just use the Constitution and we'll live by that.

You guys, go ahead and

have a good time.

Have a good time.

I mean, it's nuts.

The Democrats love to talk about sustainability.

That's not sustainable.

Is it sustainable that every nine months, another 1%

from those

Central American countries or any countries continue to flood into the United States.

That's sustainable?

Can you imagine?

You know it's not.

1% of Canada.

1% of Canada crossed our border.

They'd be pissed about it.

Who'd be pissed?

The left.

Oh, yeah.

Well, they'd be pissed because.

They'd be bringing their back bacon and their and curling and all their stuff.

They would not like that at the Olympics.

No, they wouldn't.

No, they wouldn't.

But I would be just as upset if it was Canada.

I would too.

Doesn't matter.

Absolutely.

It doesn't matter if it's the UK or Canada, Norway.

I don't care.

It's unsustainable.

We just can't do it.

Well, you heard Joe Biden

yesterday talk about health care, right?

Where he said we have to provide health care.

We have to provide

obligation.

So now we are providing health care for 1% of the population of those two countries.

In nine months,

we're taking on 1%

of two

different countries, and we're we're going to be providing their health care.

How is that sustainable?

How and who pays for it?

Who pays for it?

Of course we do.

Right.

We got to pay for the education.

We have to pay for the health care.

We have to pay for the living.

You know, as if we capture them,

we have to house them.

These.

You lie!

That usually works against that point I've noticed over the past few years.

If you just yell, you lie.

No, it doesn't either anymore.

They're just admitting it now.

Yeah, they're just admitting it.

I love that.

I think about that all the time when you predicted years ago.

They're just going to start admitting all this stuff.

And they have.

And they are.

And they're just naked Marxists now.

Because I told you at the time, remember what I said?

They want to.

Oh, they do.

They're dying to tell you.

They are so confident that socialism is the thing.

They're dying to tell you.

And it's in these moments you need to remember what the truth is.

Because, you know, it wasn't that different in the mid-90s when Bill Clinton was saying the era of big government is over.

They didn't believe anything differently then.

They just weren't telling you.

Yeah, they were faking you.

They just believed that at that point, the best way to advance it was to say the era of big government was over.

And now they believe the opposite.

They think they can come out and admit it.

And you're right.

They're dying to do it.

And here's the thing.

We were conspiracy theorists for saying that that's what they wanted to do.

Nine years ago, we were conspiracy theorists.

Now they're coming out and saying it.

And

when you point it out, nobody says you're a conspiracy theorist anymore.

They're like, yeah.

Wait, wait, wait, what?

Yeah, I am a socialist.

Yeah, I'm a vandemist.

What?

That's a better system.

Yeah.

And then there are those people who I think the vast majority of the voting Democrats

are different than Washington Democrats.

Big time.

And I think that the vast majority of the voting Democrats, and you see this as evidenced by Joe Biden being up 30 to 20.

32.

Yeah, 32 to 40 points ahead of any of the other competitors.

There is this desire.

No, no, no.

There is this starving for anything other than socialist in the Democratic Party.

And

they are willing to accept Joe Biden not not being a socialist, but he'll give you the same stuff.

He's going to give you exactly the same stuff.

You can't, you know, he wrapped it yesterday in compassion.

Compassion, yes, but if you're in a lifeboat, I'm sorry, but when the lifeboat is full, you must steer the lifeboat away from the people who are flailing.

And I'm sorry, but we will all die.

And when that happens, who then can we help?

The answer is no one.

No one.

When the lifeboat has been capsized or sunk, everybody drowns.

Correct.

Correct.

You have to balance compassion with reason.

And when it comes to this situation, we are not able.

We're the richest country in the world.

No, we're not.

No, we're not.

We're the biggest debtor in the history of the world.

We have $23 trillion.

$23 trillion.

By the way, do you know how much money we have spent on poverty since the Great Society speech from LBJ?

Was it $20 trillion?

$22 trillion.

Yeah,

so everything that we've done, and the poverty numbers have not changed.

No.

Everything that we have done, we are now in debt

$22 or $23 trillion.

we spend about 20 or 22 trillion dollars trying to fix poverty none of this is working and those are all socialist programs and none of them are working it was 14 poverty rate i think in 1965 it's 14 percent today

after 22 or 23 trillion dollars it's crazy same with the war on drugs i mean all these wars that we're fighting against uh

because it doesn't work it doesn't work it doesn't work that way.

You know, it's like telling somebody who's depressed, you know, just cheer up.

It doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

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2,000 people just dumped on their doorstep today.

Wow.

And the problem is these churches are.

Yesterday, didn't we say it was 1,000 a day?

Yesterday, and now it's 2,000.

It's 2,000 a day.

At least today.

Today.

So

we,

Operation Underground Rescue got a phone call from one of these churches on the border and said, you got to help us.

You have to train our people because we know we are handing these kids over to sex traffickers, but we can't do anything about it.

The churches admitted that?

Yeah, they said we can't do anything about it.

Yeah, they have to.

You have to.

So, what Democrats have put them in that position, right?

So, we are sitting here providing training so the churches can identify the smugglers and

we will assist the government busting up these rings.

But we really need your help.

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He is the guy who wrote the New York Times bestseller, Mindhunter.

He's got a book out now, The Killer Across the Table, Unlocking the Secrets of Serial Killers and Predators with the FBI's original Mindhunter.

He's the guy who

Netflix has the TV show Mindhunter about, which just shows him willing to go in and talk to these monsters in

really

frightening frightening ways did you watch mind hunter i didn't i really it's on my cue though i've been wanting to watch it

you know i don't want to be a spoiler on anything so i won't go into details but i would like to know if the last episode is accurate at all because it is terrifying terrifying I can't

imagine sitting in these rooms where you're with pretty smart guys who are

good at manipulation and they are mass murderers, and you're playing a mind game with them.

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it's this tightrope that you're walking the whole time

of

trying to get close to them, but staying away from them and knowing that you're alone in that room.

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And they are close enough to kill you quickly.

I mean, it is terrifying what this guy did.

And he took on everybody.

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And he's like, I'm not making excuses.

Right.

He was trying to understand so he could stop the next one.

And, you know, it's interesting.

And if we have the chance, I want to talk to him about how we're we're silencing people right now

you know he says something really interesting that i will talk to him about you have to make the person you're talking to in your mind the expert because they are they are the expert in what they believe and he said if you go in and you're looking down at them you're not going to learn anything and they're not going to share anything because you're right

how does that play in today's world because that's what everybody is doing.

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This guy's a moron.

Just treat your fellow humans like serial killers.

And then the conversations work out a lot better.

And you know what?

It's true.

I think that probably is kind of getting more true every single day.

He's coming up next, John Douglas, the original mind hunter.

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If you had sat across the table from David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Lynette Fromm,

Sarah Jane Moore, Edmund Kemper, James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan, Richard Speck, Donald Harvey.

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There's a new book out called The Killer Across the Table, Unlocking the Secrets of Serial Killers and Predators with the FBI's original Mindhunter.

That Mindhunter joins us in one minute.

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Hello, John.

How are you, sir?

Very well, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

It's an honor to talk to you.

I remember

what, in some way, what you went through when you first started talking to people, because I remember my grandfather saying, these guys are just talking to them.

They're going to make excuses.

I don't care what happened to them in their life.

They did the crime.

And that was the prevalent theory when you started interviewing these mass murderers.

Correct.

At the FBI, very much what's happening on the series, the Mind Hunter series on Netflix.

The question was, why am I doing this?

What are you doing?

And you shouldn't be going into the prisons doing these interviews.

Well, at the time I was 32 years old, I came back to Quantico after working seven years in the field.

I was a very young agent when I was recruited.

I just got out of the military, I had four years of the military, a couple advanced degrees, and came back.

And I would sit in the back of the classroom.

Now, I had to audit the senior

instructors and these senior instructors just didn't have their facts right.

And how do I know that?

Because there were police officers in the classroom that were challenging the instructors and they say, hey, look, I worked the Manson case.

You got your facts all screwed up.

So here I am now, 32 years old, and I got to get up in front of these senior investigators from throughout the world and FBI agents

at some point.

And what can I do to accelerate my learning?

So in the old days, we had, we call road schools.

You go out and he's maybe teaching in San Diego, and then later on, Boise, Idaho.

Let's go into these prisons.

I asked my partner.

I said, let's see if Manson will talk to us.

Let's see if David Berkowitz, the son of Sam or Sir Han, Sir Han.

And thought it was a crazy idea, but went into the prisons just unannounced, which was kind of good.

When you're an agent, you just show your creds.

You can go in and you don't have to tell anybody why you want to speak to these people.

And to our surprise, they were very, very, you know, very, very forthcoming, very, very interested in speaking with me.

But we made mistakes early on

when we first started doing the interviews.

We'd go in there with notes, go in there with a tape recorder, and that was

a turnoff for them.

Why?

Because

they're paranoid individuals, and they should be paranoid.

They're incarcerated with a lot of other violent offenders.

They don't trust corrections.

They're certainly not going to trust the FBI.

So what I began to do as we went along and we teamed up with Dr.

Ann Burgess, Boston College, and we developed a computerized instrument for interviews, which I would never fill out during the interview process.

It would be before and after the

interview.

And then

started to

document this material and began to get some really fantastic information from them regarding victim selection, pre-offense behavior, post-offense behavior.

Then I started thinking, what can I do

creatively to create a situation where I may cause David Berquist, for example, to go to the grave site of his victims or to inject himself into the police investigation.

Well, the Bureau stood afar.

They were really against this.

You know, what the hell are you doing?

You know, this kind of

work.

And they were really the last ones to embrace my own agency.

They were waiting for me to, I think, to screw up and then they'd send me to Butte, Montana for cattle wrestling cases or something like that.

So

they were the last ones to embrace it.

And then when I got really some national some international publicity,

and I was doing so many cases, but then when I hit the Atlanta, the Atlanta child killings was very controversial.

I was censured by the Bureau when I publicly said the killer would be

a black offender, would not be white in that particular case.

Historically, we had a lot of white serial killers leading up to that time.

And when they finally

arrested Wayne B.

Williams in the case, then I got involved in cross-examination strategies, coaching the prosecutor on how to go after him on the stand.

And again, I was very, very, very, very young.

But now, as this young, young agent, and when I would now get in front of a group, a cops, senior cops, senior agents, you know it's

you're like the old show E.F.

Hutton when when E.F.

Hutton speaks everyone listens so they started started you know listening but along the way it it's it's stressful man it's stressful John let me let me ask you this on the on the on the stress part of it first of all I don't want to give any spoilers for anybody who hasn't seen the series on Netflix

but is that last episode did that at all anything like that?

Did you go through that?

Well, it's actually

worse than the other.

Oh, my gosh.

Because it was, that particular way that didn't happen like that.

But

I was training in New York City

in 1983, and it was around, I'll see, around October, November.

And

while on stage training several hundred police from Nassau County, Suffolk, all around Manhattan,

I just came back on the Yorkshire Ripper case.

I have to go up to Alaska where a guy

believes is hunting down women.

He's abducting women, stripping them down naked as he takes them to his airplane, flies them up into the wilderness and hunts them down.

And then there's the Green River, the Green River killer in Seattle, Washington.

So I had this anxiety attack while on stage, and I know my material so well that my mouth is talking, but my brain is elsewhere.

And I feel like I'm having a heart attack.

I'm perspiring.

I'm saying to myself, I'm saying, Douglas, man, you've got to regroup.

You've got to come out of this.

Refocus, focus.

And so I got through it.

I don't think anyone, no one ever said anything.

No one ever detected it.

But by the time I got back to Quantico, I felt at 38 years of age, I'm going to have a heart attack.

I'm going to have cancer.

Something's going to happen to me.

So I took out all this income protection insurance.

Then it's now time to go out on the Green Vermont case in Seattle, Washington.

I have tremendous headaches.

I have to train two younger agents now assigned to my program.

And the long and short, out there, what happened was, is

I went to the, before the task force, come back to my hotel room, tell the agents I feel like I'm getting a flu.

And that night I collapse in my hotel room floor.

They kick down the door three days later because I have a Donat Disturb sign on the door.

And they find me in a frog-like position.

My brain had split in the right temporal lobe from 107-degree body temperature.

My heartbeat's 220.

And I'm in in a coma.

And I'll remain in a coma for a week and come out of the coma paralyzed,

all along the left side,

can't speak.

Before I came out of the coma, they were planning, I'm a veteran, they were planning to bury me at the veteran cemetery.

And

the doctors later on, when I came back, they flew me back after a month in the hospital.

back to where I live in Virginia, went to various doctors, went to psychologists, and the psychologist tested me, and they said, John, I said, man, well, first you got you have viral encephalitis brought on.

Your immune system is so low,

you came very close to dying.

Plus, you had complications of blood clots that nearly killed you.

And he says, but you were really suffering this post-traumatic stress disorder that some and some of the things we see in our veterans coming back.

But you're experiencing the

same kind of thing here, dealing with death and violence, and dealing with the victims of these violent crimes that break your heart when you have to deal with them, or when a victim's mother tells you, John, you have to tell me how my daughter was killed.

Did my daughter fight?

And on and on.

And it really

was emotionally exhausting.

So, John, did you because in watching you and in reading these books that you've written,

you

at least I am.

I think the toll on you on sitting

know, and

intentionally making them feel superior to you by adjusting the chair so they're higher than you are and doing all these things and befriending them.

It just seems like there is a,

you're paying a price in your soul to be able to get this information.

Well, yeah, I'll give you an example.

I interviewed Richard Speck, who killed seven nurses

in the Chicago area,

And he was extremely violent.

They were holding him in a cage.

And they wanted me to show me his cell first and his pornography in his cell.

But meanwhile, he's screaming and yelling like

crazy.

And when I finally got back in his cage with him, I was with his counselor, I decided to totally ignore him and turn my back to him.

And I had a conversation with his counselor.

And I had to use, I used street language in talking to his counselor about the crimes that he committed, you know, kind of filthy kind of language, but the kind of language that, you know, Richard Speck can identify with.

And I said something to the effect that, you know, to his counselor, I said, I don't know what this guy eats for breakfast, but man, I said,

he raped these

seven women.

I just don't understand it.

And I knew he didn't do that.

So he chimes in behind me.

He's sitting up on top of Curtan.

I'm 6'2 ⁇ , and he's 6'2 as well, but he still wants to dominate over me.

And you let him do it.

And he says, I didn't, and using street terms, what he did to those girls, and I said, I know, I said, it was just the one on the couch.

And he says, you're crazy, man.

You ought to be in here.

You're with us.

I mean, you're just like us.

And I'm really not just like him.

But I have to show this false sense of empathy.

And I'd be lying to you, Glenn, if I tell you at the end of the day, when I have to come back to my own family at the time, and then the young children

that have and that you may have flashbacks.

You may even be in bed with your wife one night and and

and

you're thinking some amorous type of thing you may want to be doing.

But now you're thinking about some horrific case

that you're working on.

And it's really

dangerous to your health.

All right.

I want to take a

tell her that on date night.

You're like, oh, honey, you know what I'm thinking about right now?

John, I'm going to take a quick break for about a minute, and then we're going to come back and continue our conversation.

But I just have to thank you for what you've endured as a human being for all of our sakes.

You know, you put up with both sides, the law and the devil,

and took a lot of grief.

And thank you for standing and doing that.

Thank you.

Back in just one more minute.

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I could spend hours with this guy, John Douglas.

Fascinating.

Yeah.

I'd like to, John, I'd love to fly you into town so we could do a podcast together and just sit without commercial interruption and just

talk.

I'll be up there pretty soon.

Oh, good.

Yeah, I'll be coming up

next week, as a matter of fact.

I'll be up there.

Wow.

Okay, well,

I'd love to talk to you.

So, John,

you know, I met one of the reporters, one of the few people that have been allowed to really do interviews with Charles Manson.

And he said he used some of the tactics that you had used.

And he said that Charles Manson is

he said, you end up liking him.

And he said, you don't, you know that you're being manipulated.

He said, but he's so good at it.

And he said, it just kind of, it just eats at you because

you catch yourself going, I like this guy.

Oh, my gosh, it's Charles Manson.

Did that ever happen to you?

With Manson, he is a very charismatic individual.

And when I went and did the interview with him, I once again had nothing, no notes or anything like that.

But I memorized some of his sayings that he would say at the George Spawn Ranch when he would sit up on top of a boulder lecturing to his

followers, the so-called

Manson family.

But

again, he's 5'2 ⁇ , it was really shocking when I first saw him, the size of him.

His IQ is around about 120, which is

pretty good.

But he is a master manipulator.

He's not some criminal mastermind.

He's more of a criminal or a manipulator of whoever he's going to be speaking to.

And again, when you're on a fact-finding mission, you let

the guy talk.

And he, too, he sat on top of a chair looking down at me.

The big thing with Charles, though, was that he said, look, he said, you've got to give me something, man, before I go back into the yard.

I said, what are you talking about?

He said, hey, look, they're going to know, everyone knows you're here today, FBI, you represent the FBI.

You've got to give me something.

I mean, what do you want?

Give me some money.

You've got those glasses over there.

Those sunglasses.

Yeah, these are nice Ray-Bans.

You want these?

I can't give you these.

You got to give me the Ray-Ban.

I got to go back and tell them I ripped you off.

So

I gave him our set of glasses

that I just got recently.

And so you can go back in the yard and boast to everyone.

And because they did not want to be perceived as

a snitch.

But he's a good, he's interesting to interview

because

it's just like we may, and we did later on see other charismatic individuals in charge of or leading groups like In Waco, Texas, or Jim Jones in Guiana.

And you could see how he had this.

He spent most of his

life in prison,

and he just learned how to use people, manipulate people.

But his big thing, he wanted to be, he really wanted to be an entertainer.

He wanted to be in the Beach Boys, and he was friends with Dallas Wilson.

And that was his big thing.

And the Helter-Skelter business, when you're dealing with a whole bunch of inadequate followers that were gravitating toward California, then he saw this and the

easy people,

malleable type of people, and he can shape.

The problem with that is that these inadequate nobodies who want to become a somebody, well,

you can lose control of them.

And although he was preaching this health to skelter,

they took action.

They went out

on their own, particularly the first night.

The second night when the La Bianca was killed, he was with them, but said, hey, I got to leave.

I'm on parole.

I can't stay here for the killings.

I mean,

what a great guy.

But it's just

interesting, you know, very, very interesting type of people.

But again, the Bureau is not for this, and there was a lot of pressure, Glenn,

particularly as a young person.

You go for a task force, and particularly in those early days.

And you're talking about, say, the trailside killer in New York.

And

I'm telling this task force, there's a good chance that this subject has some type of physical ailment or disability.

I just came back on a case where speech impediment, the killer may have a speech impediment.

And it's like, what is this?

Okay, so hang on.

I'm arresting David Carpenter, who had a speech impediment, and was able to link him to the case.

So, hang on just a second.

If I may hold you over and go a little longer with this interview, I want to talk to you about

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We're with John Douglas.

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Talking to John Douglas, he is the author of The Killer Across the Table, also the New York Times best-selling book, Mindhunter.

He is the guy that really,

they tell his story in Mindhunter, the Netflix series, which if you haven't seen it, it is so well, it's creepy.

It is really creepy, but it is so well worth your time to see what this guy had to do to be able to get us to a point to where we are today, where we can at least have a profile of these people and understand them.

That was not wanted when he started.

And he has interviewed David Berkowitz, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy,

Charlie Manson, all of them, James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan, Richard Speck,

you name it.

He's been on the front line and

he has given the tips to the investigators to say, look for these things.

And it ends up every time that that's exactly

what they find.

John Douglas joins us again.

John, let me ⁇ I want to change the subject just a little bit.

Oh, I think, Len, too.

I was just reminded I have like three minutes here.

I was supposed to

go do something else?

Yeah, I have to do something.

Oh, my gosh.

Okay, well,

we'll have you back.

I'll be up in New York.

I'll tell my publicist if I can get on your podcast, too.

Yeah, yeah.

Your show show here, I'd be glad to.

We'd love to.

You know, I want to have you back because I want to talk to you about the way you're treating people

in your book speaks volumes about how we should be treating people today.

But I'll have you back because I think that's a longer conversation.

Can you just answer this one question?

What does the

fascination with serial killers say about us?

You have a good reason to do it, but when we're watching these shows like Ted Bundy, there's no reason for me to watch that.

What does it say about us?

Well, it's the, I've done this throughout my books.

I've always mentioned it's why plus how equals who.

When I'm doing an on-sub case, on known subject case, I'm trying to figure out the who done it.

Now,

when I go into the prisons, I know who did the crime.

So it's that, you know, the why, the motivation.

And when I talk to groups, when I go out speaking, these crime conferences, it's where 90% of the audience are women.

They want to know.

They want to know that they have the same questions, and they want to know why.

What's the purpose?

What's the motivation here?

Is it sexual?

Is it power, anger, retaliation?

What is it?

So those are the kind of things that

I address in the books.

Get me back on your show.

We'll go through a lot of that stuff, too.

All right.

Good.

John, I'd love to have you back on.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate it.

You bet.

You You bet.

Book is The Killer Across the Table.

That is a fascinating one.

I can't wait for that podcast because that's going to be really interesting.

I could talk to him.

We'll probably have to do two podcasts.

I'll just have to record.

I could do three hours with him easy.

I will say, too, your last question is really interesting because

I watched the new Ted Bundy movie on Netflix.

I haven't seen it.

And Zach Efron as the star, which my wife was curiously interested in this film for some reason.

I don't know why.

It certainly wasn't the scene where

Zach Afron shows his naked butt for three seconds.

That certainly wasn't.

I've noticed on my Netflix queue, it seems to be paused at that point over and over again for some reason.

But

it was, first of all, really, really good.

And I also watched the Ted Bundy tapes, which is a fascinating story where a journalist goes in to

talk to Ted Bundy who won't admit these crimes.

And eventually, one of the ways he kind of gets him to admit the crimes is to say, just like John was talking about, he treated him as an an expert.

He said, hey, if these killings did happen, I know you didn't do them, but if these killings did

happen, how would the killer have done it?

And then he goes in and explains exactly how these things go on, and he explains the crimes.

And the only way he would know these crimes, of course, is if he did them.

You know, in a way,

you know, he wanted to tell them that he did the crimes, but he didn't want to admit it and get himself in more legal trouble.

But that is, I really enjoyed watching those things.

I enjoy the true crime crime stuff.

I like those shows.

And there's a part of me that doesn't actually understand what it says about me or why.

I mean, because I'm just watching it for entertainment.

I'm not looking to bust the next serial.

Okay, you know what I found?

And maybe this is just me and it's weird.

I've started watching a lot of stuff from the BBC because I think they're A ahead of us in many ways.

Their shows tend to be really, really good.

They're not like upstairs, downstairs anymore.

But

I've watched a lot of their crime stuff.

For instance, Killing Eve

is fantastic and really weird.

You know, just like you'd like it.

If you like the Ted Bundy stuff, you'd like this.

But it's fiction.

So it makes it, it removes it one step.

Okay.

And then what I found is...

I don't like watching, like, I've never watched any of the,

what is it, the NC

SI?

NCIS.

Yeah, I've never seen any of those, not once.

I've had no desire.

But I will watch crime shows from the BBC.

And I think it's because it's not my society.

It's another country.

Escapist almost.

Yeah, it's another country.

So I'm not relating to it.

It's not something that I'm worried about here.

And so I can watch it more as entertainment.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, it does.

And it's been really shocking because I've been watching these shows, which I really enjoy, and I would never watch them on American television.

I mean, it'll come up on my Netflix.

You should watch this.

And I'm like, never.

Yeah.

That's like the one I'm most fascinated by is

Law and Order SVU.

And it's like, so this is, I was in the, my, I had someone in the hospital.

I was at the hospital for several days as they were very ill.

And so I was in the waiting room

during the day when normally I would be here working.

And I'm on, they had the TV, was on like, I think USA or one of these networks where all day they're showing episodes of Law and Order SVU, which I've heard of, but never watched.

And I love Law and Order.

I've watched it a million times, but I'd never really watched Law and Order SVU before.

And then I just realized this is just a very popular show where every episode, a woman gets raped on camera.

Like the entire show, SVU just means a bunch of rapes.

That is like, it's law and order, a bunch of rapes.

That is the entire series.

And every series is legitimately starts where some terrible thing happens to some woman and they try to solve the crime.

And throughout the time, they explain to you all these awful, awful details about it.

And I'm like, how are people watching this?

I mean, it's well done.

And you, of course, have that drama of trying to figure out who it is.

And Law and Order is great at that.

But I mean, this is a series that's been like the top 10 shows in America for how long?

And it's just a collection of sexual assaults.

That is what it is.

The entire special victims unit is the sex crimes unit.

Holy crap, man, that's dark.

And you watch these things because I like watching documentaries.

I like, especially,

I'm less interested in fiction.

I like watching nonfiction.

And so watching these documentaries, you can always learn something and take something out.

We will bring a lot of that stuff to you on the show because there's always something interesting in there.

But there is that weird fascination that America has with serial killers in particular.

I think,

I mean, I can't speak for, you know,

the non-Western world, but I think at least the Western world has that same fascination.

With serial killers?

Yeah, with serial killers and with gruesome crimes.

Well, there's something about this, and it ties directly to the school shooting problem as well, which is we make these people into celebrities.

Certainly has nothing to do with what John did.

He was doing real FBI work and important work to make sure that these things didn't happen again.

But we've come to the point where we turn these people into celebrities.

I know we've taken steps here at the Blaze,

you know, not related to serial killing is less popular, less trendy than it used to be.

But the mass shooting issue, we don't tell you any of their names anymore.

I can't remember the last time you heard one of their names on this show.

I mean, you're going back before Las Vegas.

Yeah.

I don't remember.

It's been a couple years, and we didn't officially institute the policy

company-wide until Vegas or a little after Vegas.

But I mean, it goes back a long time for us because we've seen the research.

We've seen that the copycat thing is a big issue.

And anything you can do to not make these people get their level of fame,

who is the person responsible for the last couple of shootings?

Do you have any idea?

I don't even know.

But what's sad is I don't want to know the name off the top of my head of

the heroes, of the people who went and stopped them.

Yeah, we actually have some stuff coming up on them in the next week or so.

We've planned

to potentially do some of that because we've seen this recently, and it's sort of a new trend in these crimes where it's been sad in some cases.

Some cases it has been

great in that people with guns, people with other weapons have chased people away from these mass shootings.

We've seen the last two things that have happened where, unfortunately, the person who did it wound up losing their life, but stopped the mass shooting.

Went from could have been 20, 30 people dead to one.

Now, look, we want it to be zero, obviously, and we want all these things to go away.

They're heroes.

But that's heroic.

And it's also the type of thing that actually winds up ending these trends.

If you think about hijacking for a second, we went through multiple decades where anybody who got on a plane with the right weapon or took over the cockpit could fly that plane to Cuba.

You could fly the plane to wherever you wanted.

That's basically what happened in all of those cases.

And it wasn't until 9-11 where, you know, where you have the people stepping up on the flight in Pennsylvania where they rush the cabin and they are able to stop that.

Now, no one gets away with that.

If you go and try to, no one's going to try to hijack a plane because they know

how it ends.

It ends with you being tackled and subdued.

I mean, it might wind up killing everybody on the plane because no one can fly it.

It's possible, but with the steps they've taken, it's unlikely.

And at some point, when you take out the incentive of fame from the mass shooter and you take take out the idea you're going to have some big score, you're going to be able to outscore all of the other people because, yeah, you might get somebody, but they're going to wind up getting tackled pretty fast and this goes away.

This is the sort of thing that de-escalates a rising trend in a particular crime.

And I'm hoping that that is the beginning of this.

I think a lot of, we're not the only ones.

I know Daily Wire, for example, has also taken the same step, but they won't mention them.

And I think a lot of conservative outlets are doing it.

I'd like to see a New York Times or a CNN or an MSNBC or some big mainstream organization step to the plate and say, we've seen this research.

We see how many of these people are searching for fame and notoriety, and we're no longer going to give it to them.

They still keep doing it, though.

I think

there's also something else happening.

And it happened last night at the Colorado Vigil for

the last shooting.

And that is

the people are tired of being used

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shootings

lately,

and they have ended without mass casualties because of heroes.

And there was a vigil last night at the Highlands Ranch, the STEM school, Highlands Ranch,

vigil there.

And Laura Reeves

from Moms Demand Action stepped up in the vigil

to address the crowd.

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It is our new reality that we allow families to live in neighborhoods where gunshots can be heard at all hours of the day and that our preschoolers are regularly participating in active shooter drills.

And I'm also very disappointed to admit that all the generations before yours made this harder.

We became paralyzed by the NRA.

We did not hold our elected officials accountable as they were loosening the sensible gun regulations that were keeping us safe.

Instead, we chose to burden our youth with the responsibility of saving their own lives.

We forced all of you to learn in an environment that's more closely resembling a prison than a school.

None of this is right.

We robbed you of your innocence.

This caused several kids

to walk out of the vigil.

Outside of the vigil, this is what it sounded like.

Those are students

chanting mental health, mental health, mental health.

This is the answer that no one will talk about.

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Sorry.

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We're not talking about it because it doesn't give you any kind of political power to take away guns.

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The problem is something in our society has changed.

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They're finding meaning in death.

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For independent, provocative thinkers like Dave Rubin, it is a constant battle.

And this Dave is currently beating that Goliath.

Dave Rubin joins us in one minute.

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How are you, sir?

Glenn, it's good to be with you.

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Like the North Pole?

This is the worst phone connection I've heard since my grandmother.

Are we on a bad connection here?

I am in my backyard at the moment because LA ATT service is hit or miss.

Yeah, well, wow, it's bad.

Let me see if I can shift into.

No, no, no.

It's fine.

It just sounds like you're using an old-timey phone and a lot of hiss.

It's like, I've got a person-to-person coast-to-coast call for you, Mr.

Beck.

Well, Glenn, I have to go on the assumption that I've been dealing with these problems with YouTube, that it must be the phone company after me too.

That's right.

Congratulations on a million subscribers on YouTube.

And I know you have taken some pretty big risks recently to stand up for your principles.

And

putting your eggs in the YouTube basket is really kind of a frightening thing.

And it is paying off for you in some regard.

I know that they demonetize you.

If you have anybody that is slightly to the right of Bernie Sanders,

I know they flag you immediately.

Well, it's pretty crazy what they're doing.

And, you know, this is a really, really really interesting debate that we've discussed a little bit before, where it's starting to push my libertarian side,

which is the core of what I am.

It's pushing my libertarian side to its limits.

Because, look, these are private companies.

And in my estimation, they can do what they want to do.

Nobody's forcing me to be on YouTube.

I'm voluntarily using their service.

They provide

when they're doing it right.

And then people are getting your videos and they're staying subscribed and all those things.

They're providing an incredible service and all of those things.

So I say that primarily, but the next part is: have these tech companies become so awesomely powerful that we actually can't even grapple with how much information they control, how much power they have, the amount of connections that they have with the government at this point.

These are all things that we have to think about.

And, you know, there is a seemingly really big push I'm seeing on the right right now from conservatives to ask for government intervention

on big tech.

Bad idea.

Yeah.

Bad idea.

So look, I get why in the short term people think this will be good because it does seem that conservatives are getting banned more.

But you have to always take a couple steps down the road with these things.

And the point is, well, if you hand over the power to the government, I mean, first off, the idea that the government could run tech companies or regulate tech companies.

I mean, when was the last time you were on a government website?

It looks like AOL in 1994.

So that's just like the easy version of it.

But the real issue, of course, is that, so let's say you hand over the power to the government to regulate or to be in charge of these tech companies or break them up or whatever it is.

Well, the government now, a Trump conservative presidency, might be friendly to conservatives right now.

But what happens if the Democratic Socialists get in power and now they've got the tech companies, we know they have the tech companies, and now they've got the government too?

I mean, how quickly do you think they'll be banning all of the people that they deem to be

Nazis and white supremacists and the rest of it.

So that's where, you know, I know you know this, but that, of course, is where you really have to be leery of using power until the absolute last second.

First of all,

you know, regulation, you know, when Mark Zuckerberg comes out and is begging for regulation, you know, it's in his best interest at Facebook to have regulation.

And the reason why is because they will come to those people and those companies and say, how do we regulate?

And they will write the laws which will take all competition and crush any possible contender to their throne.

On top of that, if we get them and we go to them and say, how do we regulate you?

And they get their regulation, it will not only crush all competition, but on top of it, it will then make the Bill of Rights absolutely worthless because these are companies that are private and so they do have a right.

But if they're the backbone and because of regulation, that's really all our choice, they can ban any voice and you have nowhere to go because the Bill of Rights does not apply to them.

It will apply to the government.

So this is the catch-22.

And I think for people like us that put liberty before everything else, I think this is the tricky spot that we're in.

Because look, you know, Glenn, you've built an incredible company

using digital properties, right?

Like I'm on YouTube.

We do podcasts and all sorts of things.

Now, the simple truth is, you probably have some extra protections because of the way, I think you have a technology arm of the blaze, so some of your stuff is proprietary,

which is actually probably the way all creators should be going ultimately.

And I've been researching a little bit into that.

But the point is that right this moment, as we're talking, technically, there's nothing that I can do to stop YouTube from just shutting me off and iTunes kicking me out and the rest of it.

And it's like that is a truly, truly awesome power that they have, especially as we know that all of this seems to be getting ramped up to 2020.

So it's putting all of us, especially the liberty-minded folks, in a really weird position.

And what I'm afraid of is I'm seeing too many conservatives

chomp at the bit here and say, regulate, regulate, regulate.

And

it will just be used together.

Now, that being said, you know, creating the competition.

So, for people like us that believe in competition, right, we believe in human ingenuity.

We believe we can solve problems.

And I would always rather the free market solve things.

I mean, there's still a major issue here, which is that the amount of money and resources

to solve these problems is so massive.

And, you know, there's blockchain technologies and all sorts of interesting things that are still sort of years away from being mass adopted.

So we're just at a unique point.

And, you know,

hopefully those of us that are doing good work and trying to get some truth out there, you know, hopefully it's not being turned against us just yet, but you just don't know.

You really don't.

Dave, I want to make a pitch for somebody.

There is a guy

who wrote the book,

The History of the Future.

His name is Blake Harris.

Do you know who he is?

You know, his name has come across every now and again.

I get messages suddenly, and a few people have messaged me about him.

You need to have him on.

I've had him on several times, and the story that he tells, he's just like you.

I mean, he was a liberal, and now he's kind of like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

I don't think that's not what I bought into.

This is, I'm on the wrong side.

And

he's much more of a classic liberal,

very, very freedom-minded, but he has the inside scoop of what's happening with Zuckerberg and Facebook.

He has evidence of

laws being broken by

Mark Zuckerberg himself.

It's incredible, and no one in the media is giving him any attention.

And

his books...

The first book is being made into, was made into a movie and now a TV show.

Seth Rogan.

Is that it?

Interesting.

You know, yeah, I do know who he is.

He's the guy that wrote the book about Oculus and some of the internal documents that were going around.

Yeah.

I will talk to him for sure, and it's super interesting.

And, you know, that actually brings up a good point, something that I was sort of tweeting about this morning, is that the other thing that we're seeing right now, you know, in an age of fake news, it's not just sort of the nonsense that the media puts out that's fake news and the manipulation and quotes where they literally take out the word not at the beginning of the sentence or any of that stuff.

It's also what they refuse to report on.

So, for example, this week, and know, I'm sure you talked about it on your show, but Brian Sims, the state rep in Pennsylvania, who was harassing those little girls outside of the abortion clinic, it's like CNN did not even touch that story.

And that is a type of fake news that we need to be aware of.

You know, that

the Muslim school in Philadelphia, where they were literally training jihadists, kids as jihadists, also in Philadelphia.

It's like that wasn't touched.

And it's like if you took the reverse of any of these, where this was a Christian school or it was a Christian man harassing somebody else or a Republican or a conservative doing any of these things, if you just flip, if you flip the immutable characteristics on these things, the media would be in an outrage.

So we need to really recalibrate how we're looking at media as a whole.

And that's, of course, directly related to all the stuff we're talking about with the tech companies.

It's honestly why we have to talk to one another, because we just assume that the Democrats that we might know, and

I'm not talking about the activists.

I'm talking about just the average Democrat that we know.

We think that they know these stories.

And I did this with Riaz Patal, who is a guy who is very liberal.

And after the election, I brought him in and I said, let me show you these stories.

I just picked like 10 or 15 stories.

This is why we were so upset at Barack Obama.

And I gave him the stories.

And I think about eight out of those 10 stories, and he's a well-informed guy.

He had never heard of.

He was like, What is that?

I don't even know what that is.

And it was because of the editing of the truth.

Yeah, and this is the huge problem with, you know, look, we're all walking around with iPhones.

We have access to information in an absolutely unprecedented way, a way that I think 20 years from now, there will be many, many studies written on how this changed the human mind and human communication and all of these things.

But, you know, there is a risk here in that, you know, 20 years ago when we had ABC, you know, CBS, NBC, you basically got the same stories out of the three networks.

Cable news then erupted and you had a little bit of a widening of that.

And now we live in a time where there's basically no safeguards whatsoever.

Now, I generally think that's a good thing.

But the problem is that we're all catering it to ourselves.

And then, yes, the good, because I believe, and I know you do too, there are still good liberals out there.

But

they are having the wool pulled over their eyes and they don't hear these stories.

And then they see us sort of ranting and raving about things and they go, ah,

they're just nuts.

They're aiming the wrong way.

And it's like, this is why what I've always said is if the media would just do a decent job, they don't have to do a great job.

They don't even have to do a good job.

Truly, I mean this.

If they would just be doing a decent job so that I could wake up every morning and look at Twitter and not realize that CNN either misquoted several people or you know, absolutely ignored a story or whatever it is.

If they would just not do that, then the bunch of us that are on the outside of this, that are doing this in a YouTube space or in a podcast space, we wouldn't have as much ammo.

And I would actually prefer that.

I would find something else to do with my life.

I wouldn't mind moving to a farm one day, you know?

Yeah, me too.

Me too.

Dave, congratulations.

Thank you so much.

We'll talk again.

Thank you, my friend.

I'll see you soon.

You bet.

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You know, it's really

there was an article in the Atlantic recently charting the percentage of Americans who dislike political correctness.

You know what the poll found?

Most Americans can't stand political correctness.

Overwhelmingly, most Americans cannot stand it, except one group.

Progressive activists.

Progressive activists, the only ones that strongly back political correctness, and only 30% see it as a problem.

That's amazing.

I mean, how is it ruling our society then?

I know.

I mean, I'll get on.

I mean, it's not just progressive activists on Twitter trying to get everybody fired.

Here's how it is.

The study found that progressive activists, despite their obsession with socialism, their hatred of the patriarchy, and disdain for the rich, white men, are overwhelmingly rich, white, and overeducated men.

Compared to the rest of the nationally representative polling sample, progressive activists are much more likely to be rich, highly educated, and white.

They are nearly twice as likely as the average to make more than $100,000 a year.

They are three times as likely to have a postgraduate degree.

And while 12% of the overall sample in the study is African-American only 3% of progressive activists are African American

now where's the diversity there

the reason why Twitter has so much power

and such a left bias is because journalists have become masterful at using it as a feedback loop journalists use it as a source a representation of public public opinion, and Twitter users who are overwhelmingly and disproportionately progressive activists can enjoy a sense of power that they've clearly only dreamt of.

So it becomes this feedback loop.

That's why what Dave Rubin is doing.

That's why what The Blaze is doing.

That's why, you know, Ben Shapiro and what he's doing, and Stephen Crowder, and all of us, it's why this is so important.

Because

Twitter is not real life.

It's not even

representative of the actual population.

What is it?

4% of all people on Twitter

are responsible for 80% of the tweets.

Something like that.

Maybe it might have been 2%.

Was it 2%?

I cared was 2% or 4% responsible for 80% of the tweets.

And remember, that is

not that many people are even on Twitter.

It rules the newscasts because it's easy for journalists.

It's a lazy journalism tool.

How do I get a quote about the story?

I used to have to call.

I used to have to, you know, get in touch with somebody.

I used to have to make, you know, walk up to someone

with a microphone.

Now it's go to Twitter.

What do they tweet about it?

Okay, there it is.

Pop it in the story.

So journalists love it.

It makes their lives a lot easier.

But, I mean, it's a very small percentage of people who are even on Twitter, let alone following it closely.

And that's what media is reflecting.

This is a parabolic dish.

It's not a straight mirror.

It's a distortion of reality.

It's a funhouse mirror because that is not reflective of the American people.

You're listening to Glenn Beck.

You know, people say it can't happen here, but I'm telling you it is happening here.

We are running straight toward Venezuela.

How could we possibly have Venezuela happening?

Honduras, all of these countries just riddled with poverty.

They're all rushing to our borders.

Venezuela is in full-fledged collapse and it is everything every leftist ever wanted, they got in Venezuela.

And how is it we're still running towards it?

You don't think it can't happen here?

It is happening here.

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Well, we've had we've had some amazing guests on today.

In case you missed any of the show, go back and listen to the podcast.

We had John Douglas on.

He is the original Mindhunter.

If you've watched the Netflix show Mind Hunter,

you know exactly why that was a fascinating interview.

He's going to come back.

We had about 35 minutes with him, and I could talk to him for four hours.

He is the author of the book Mind Hunter

and the new book, The Killer Across the Table.

He has talked to every serial killer.

He's the FBI guy that started behavioral science or really, really kind of made it what it is today.

So we had him on, Dave Rubin, just a second ago.

We have Blake J.

Harris on with us now.

He is the author of the book, The History of the Future.

And welcome to it.

How are you?

I am great.

And in part, perhaps largely in part, because of you guys and what you did for me to help get the word out about the book a few weeks ago, it really.

It's career changing and therefore life-changing because

life is my career.

Yeah, that's nice of you to say, but you deserve it.

The book is fantastic.

And if we lived in a fair world, it would have been reviewed and would have been everywhere because of the information in it is phenomenal.

Not only is it just riveting story about one of the greatest entrepreneurs, I think, in, you know, in the last five years at least.

And there's, you know, we're talking about Elon Musk and, you know, some crazy entrepreneurs.

Paul Merlucky, he's this guy who is, you know, was a kid and broke the code for VR and came up with Oculus.

What were you guys doing when you were 19 years old?

Yeah, not that.

I certainly wasn't starting a multi-billion dollar company.

Yeah.

And so you started to do that story.

And halfway through, the election happens and Palmer is for Trump.

And all these things are started to be said by Facebook people and others others about Palmer.

You know those things aren't true.

And you start to find out that some of the people that you really had high hopes on, and Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg, were not what you thought.

And they were actually pretty nefarious.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean,

in particular, in two regards.

One was with Palmer and the story that I was covering.

You know, said

Palmer posted that he would be supporting Gary Johnson in the 2016 election,

which, by the way, he did end up voting for Gary Johnson,

not of his own choice, but because it was suggested to him by the lawyers that because they had a trial coming up, it would be best for him to follow through with a statement.

I'm not kidding me.

Why?

I am not kidding you.

So

I guess it wasn't a lie that he was supporting Gary Johnson.

It just wasn't his own will since the statement had been written by Mark Zuckerberg.

You have to tell the story about how you figured out it was not Palmer Lucky, because this is just a great piece of journalism right here.

Yeah, it is.

He wrote to me, I wrote you something, and he writes to me, and he's like, by the way,

because of the way you write your emails, this is how I figured out that Palmer had not written that.

I'm like, what?

Yeah.

So what that actually means is that most people after the end of a sentence will use one space after a period, But people who grew up with typewriters and for some reason Palmer Lucky use two spaces.

You use two spaces.

And so Palmer's post in which he said he was going to be supporting Gary Johnson, which was suspicious to me anyway, because I knew we had talked so many hours about why he was supporting Trump.

Palmer's post had one space, which was the first time on any of his Facebook posts over the years that he had one space.

So I thought that was suspicious.

I obviously didn't know at the time that the reason why was because Mark Zuckerberg wrote that and he had to post it.

But that was really what set me off.

So that was like my one good Sherlock Holmes moment.

And I'm pretty proud of noticing that one.

Can we be clear here, though, by the way?

Isn't, I mean, two spaces is the correct way, isn't it?

Is it two spaces?

I don't know.

Yes, it is.

Two spaces is right.

Yes.

And I will also...

The reason I was so aware of that was because when people leaked me emails, they oftentimes took photos of the emails and sent it to to me instead of forwarding it because I would create a paper trail.

And so I would transcribe these things.

And Palmer was often on the threads of when people would share stuff with me.

So I was used to it.

But I would also say that John Carmack, who is one of the most brilliant people in the world and who helped discover Palmer and is now at Oculus, you know, he also uses two spaces.

So I will probably concede that with two billion people plus you guys, I'm doing it wrong.

But it still grinds my ears.

It's just a little tap of one finger, man.

I don't know why it's such an issue.

So can you go back to the beginning of this a little bit?

Because it's one thing to say it's a great entrepreneurial story of a guy in a trailer coming up with something that the best people in tech had tried to do for a while and had basically given up on at that point.

How on earth does he actually do this?

How does he discover how to crack this code?

Well, part of it is exactly what you said, and most of the people had given up on it.

So Palmer is a genius and a great entrepreneur and all that, but it is partly just because he was one of, let's say, less than 100 people in the world who still

cared about and believed in virtual reality.

And so, you know, seems shocking.

I mean, it just seems like

such a straight line sort of development when it comes to the way we're immersed in everything.

And he's not, he wasn't, he wasn't trying to crack it because I'm going to get rich.

He really believed in it.

Well, that's really the thing that I think you find with most successful entrepreneurs or even the entrepreneurial side of writing is, you know, I had seven years as a failed screenwriter.

And then when I finally wrote something the first time in my life, which was Console Wars, not for money, that was the thing that cracked because that was passion-fueled.

And Palmer,

he's a gamer at heart.

And so he just wanted to step into the screen and actually feel like he was in the game.

So it was for his own selfish, passion-filled reasons.

And I was telling Glenn yesterday that the book starts in April 2012 when he starts Oculus and he connects with John Carmack and this whole crazy ride that ends with selling to Facebook for $3 billion starts.

But there's really a whole other story that is ignored by the three years before that of how he cracked this code and why he did it and all that.

But, you know,

it's not surprising in retrospect that he did because look what he's doing now.

He has a new company, Andrel, and they are coming up with great border solutions.

They're in the defense business.

They're trying to bring technological solutions to it.

So, you know, lightning doesn't just happen to strike these people, you know, whether it's Elon Musk with Tesla and SpaceX.

You know, there's something about these kinds of people, whether it's their brilliance, their ability to get other people on board.

And Paul Merlucky is just one of those people that I know for the next 50 years, he's going to keep dazzling us.

It's most likely their privilege.

But

you know, it's true because to me, and I think to you too, this is the ultimate rags to richest story.

This kid living in a trailer.

And I remember somebody once posted something like that on Reddit, and there were people who said, oh, no, it's not a rags to richest story.

He's, you know, white male privilege.

And I'm like,

he could have been anyone.

And when John Carmack reached out to him, which set this whole thing in motion, John was reaching out to somebody, Palmertech.

That could have been anyone.

How could that have to do with something like this?

But you're starting to sound like a conservative, and I won't rub that out.

I apologize.

Okay.

So

let me just talk about.

We were just talking about Dave Rubin and about how he's being shut out and they're trying to shut him down at YouTube.

Steven Crowder, the same thing is happening with him.

You have had dealings with journalists in a completely different way.

I mean,

you're a liberal,

more of a classic liberal, I would think, but you considered yourself a regular straight-up.

Yeah, I've always voted Democrat since as far back as John Kerry.

And then

things have kind of changed for you because you're starting to see the same thing that we've been found on our side.

Holy cow, some of the people on our side really suck.

We don't stand for what I thought we all stood for.

And

can you go over some of the emails that you had?

I brought some gifts.

So

I pulled these up because there's a great article on Niche Gamer by Sophia Narwitz, who's a games writer.

And she was curious about my interactions and dealings with journalists.

to her credit was the only person who reached out to me about it.

So I was happy to share my experiences.

And so I pulled up some of my emails from private conversations that I had had with game and tech journalists who I considered either friends or peers, colleagues.

I had a good relationship with them.

And they were asking you about, okay, come on, tell us, he's really a racist or whatever.

And you were answering them honestly, and they really didn't have any intent of listening.

Right.

The one that I was telling you about yesterday was I actually spent two hours on the phone with someone who I considered a friend.

I mean, I was spending two hours on the phone with him, and he was asking if Palmer was a white supremacist.

And I said, I can't tell you what's in his heart, but as someone who knows him probably better than anyone in the world, but his girlfriend, no,

absolutely no.

You know, you can go back to the start of Oculus.

The first three people he hired were an Asian guy, an Indian guy, and a bisexual guy.

Like, you know, he just doesn't care about that stuff.

And

at the end of this call, the person said, well, I guess I get what you're saying, but where's the smoking gun?

I want the proof that he's not a white supremacist.

And I said, how can I give you the proof that he's not something that he isn't?

And then here was

a few responses I got while just reaching out privately to journalists after I had done this research and said.

For years.

Yeah, and said, you guys were wrong.

Like, you should correct your article.

Or do you have any, like, or tell me your pushback for why you think I'm wrong?

Because I don't want to publish this book if I'm missing something.

And these articles were just to reset this part of it, because people had blamed him after he had come out and supported Trump.

And it was not even in a major public way, but he had made a small donation to one

political organization and had peered at one rally where he wasn't hiding, but he wasn't like a main featured speaker or anything.

Right.

The issue was largely that the organization he donated to, people would say, oh, it was not just a harmless organization.

This organization, Nimble America, their plan was, their actual plan was to put up billboards across America, meme-like billboards, just like more like younger.

Funny.

Yeah.

Certainly nothing offensive about them, but people said, people interpreted that as that they were going to put up hateful, that they had put up hateful memes across the internet.

And this is

a journalism error.

Right.

Quite

one.

In the entire history of Nimble America, they put up one billboard ever.

And what did it say?

It said, controversially, too big to jail, and it had a picture of Hillary Clinton.

Certainly not.

Okay, so let's go to the

yeah, and

it's really crazy.

You know, the headline that first came out was Facebook billionaire secretly funding Trump's meme machine.

And awful.

Then within an hour, a few hours, then the next headline was, Facebook billionaire secretly funding Trump's racist meme machine.

All the while, there was no incidence of actual memes.

This organization was five days old.

And the funniest thing of all is that you don't need to pay people to make memes.

If Palmer wants it to be influenced by him,

he's smart enough to figure out how to do it without paying $10,000.

Okay, hang on.

We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to come back with Blake Harris, who will read and share some of these

thoughts

from,

quote, journalists.

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We're with Blake Harris, author of The History of the Future, and you were going to share some

journalists' responses.

Yeah, these were with the success of my first book, which had me mention, you know, making best gamer of the year lists and all that stuff and being really well respected in the gaming and tech communities.

I had a lot of friendships or relationships with tech journalists.

And so I reached out to them because I also didn't want to publicly embarrass them of their errors with Palmer Lucky.

At least at first, I wanted to give them the chance to correct it or hear their side of the story.

So this was one who's an editor at one of the top gaming sites explaining why he said the Trump agenda is so horrid on its face

that the way the coverage, that the way this played out justified the coverage and the reaction to Palmer Lucky.

So even though the news reports were not accurate, the fact that Palmer's a Trump supporter justifies the inaccuracies.

Wow.

That's incredible.

This is someone who didn't err personally, but I was asking his perspective.

He's a reporter at one of the top tech sites.

And I explained, this was his,

he said, I think the Palmer news just came at a really awful time, and Silicon Valley was looking for a Trump scapegoat because Peter Thiel was seemingly bulletproof.

So they couldn't get Peter

because he's his own boss, but they can get Palmer, who, by the way, now is his own boss because he doesn't ever want this to happen again.

And then this last one was just, this was not a personal message.

This was a public message on Facebook by a journalist, a tech journalist at one of the top business sites.

And this was the day after the election.

He said, I no longer trust the media.

And also, I'm a professional journalist at a major media outlet.

Ask me anything.

And so that was, I thought that was important because that was kind of like me.

I felt like, wow, I had always trusted the media.

I'm part of the media in some way.

And that really led my introspection was Trump winning, realizing, okay, maybe what I was hearing was not true.

And I went on this journey over the past few years.

Apparently this guy didn't.

Or, or you know this guy is representative of so many folks who instead of trying to understand the other side instead of listening instead of trying to think have i messed up they just doubled down yeah

which isn't good

which is not good not a way to run a civilization no and you know what if my brother doubled down i would say you're being an idiot But these are journalists.

It's their job to not double down.

It's their job to say, am I wrong?

Or it's their job to actually, you would have thought, like, this is an even juicier story with Zuckerberg coercing an executive to lie about his politics.

Who cares if I was wrong?

This is an even sexier story, but it's not sexy in the right direction.

So it's not interesting.

Blake, I commend you for being so honest

and just doing the right thing.

It shouldn't be commendable to do the right thing, but it is in today's world because so few are doing it.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much, guys.

The name of the book is The History of the Future, a must-read.

It is riveting cover to cover, the history of the future.