Ep 33 | Phil Robertson | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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By his own admission, my guest today is one of the most unlikely people on the planet to end up with the kind of fame and platform he now has.

If you met him 45 years ago, this self-described river rat from Louisiana would have been almost unrecognizable.

He was hard-drinking.

He was hard-partying, self-destructive.

He was a mess of a man.

A radical conversion experience altered the current of his life and sent him down a more virtuous, though not really less adventurous path.

He started his business of duck calls in a living room.

Slowly over the next 30 years, that family business grew into the most successful hunting brand in the world.

He's now a New York Times best-selling author, host of his own Blaze TV series, and he's still more comfortable, I think, roaming the woods in Louisiana.

He was in our studio that everybody always raves about, how beautiful, how comfortable it is.

And he said, How can you work here?

I don't, it's like the walls are closing in.

I invited him into our 19,000 square foot studio where the walls were closing in.

You might think you know him from his role in his TV series, but that was

him,

but still a Hollywood version, if you will.

There were commercials.

Try this one: An Hour and a Half: The Heart and Soul of the Original Duck Commander.

First of all, I just want to thank you for, you know,

trimming the beard and cleaning up and running a comb through your your hair for a while.

I wore my finest clothes

that I own.

You know, Glenn,

I never got around to purchasing a suit.

Never.

You've never had a suit on?

Never owned one.

And someone said, well,

well,

why?

And I thought,

you know,

I didn't buy a watch either.

I've never purchased a watch, like a timepiece.

You don't have a watch?

Or a ring, no?

Really?

Someone says, so how do you tell time?

I'm like, I use phrases like right now, I would say just after dinner.

Right.

You and I talking.

Right.

Then there'll be about sundown.

Sunset.

Right.

Then it'll be nighttime.

Right.

On up in the evening.

Then it'll be the dead of night.

Then there'll be just before daylight, sun up.

mid-morning.

We say dinner in the south.

That means dinner time around 12 o'clock.

Early evening.

Then we're back where we started.

It makes life

a little easier because it's not

five after three.

That's right.

So that's just...

So I never saw any need for a suit.

I said, well, if I ever need one, I'll get one.

Yeah.

Right.

So far, I'm 72.

You're pretty good.

Have a needed one yet.

Yeah.

So

I'll just be real honest with you.

I'm a Yankee.

I grew up in Seattle.

I don't know if that's considered real Yankee territory, but I remember the first time I drove through the deep south, I had Maryland plates on my car,

and I understood what a Yankee was quickly.

This was back in the 80s.

And quite honestly, when I think of people from Louisiana, I think of people like you

eating people like me.

Have you ever eaten a Yankee?

No.

No.

In the redneck world,

they come up with some

pretty good schemes, but overall, I would say they're no more sinful than the rest of humanity.

But they are some doozies down in there.

Yeah.

You led

knowing I'm going to talk to you.

I know we're going to talk about God.

Yep.

But,

and I think there's only one other person that I've ever interviewed that it's like that, and that's Billy Graham or anyone in the Graham family.

I know he's going to talk about God.

You are the least likely, knowing your history, to talk about God.

Yeah.

Well,

if someone had told me,

now my sister told the guy,

I owned a beer joint at the time, leasing a beer joint in South Arkansas.

You had blacks in the back, whites in the front, the rednecks, and I was in the middle with a pistol

controlling the beer joint.

So you had the jive going on in the back and in the front.

My sister told the preacher,

said, we have to go see my brother.

And he said, well, where is he?

I said, well, he's up, he owns a beer joint up in South Arkansas.

And the preacher was like, yeah.

So

she said, if you convert him,

he'll bring thousands to the Lord.

I didn't know that she told him that.

But she just told him.

And the preacher says, really?

Is that what you think?

And she said, I know it to be true.

If you convert him, he'll bring thousands.

So he comes up.

I'm about half drunk.

I run him off.

And his parting words after the first meeting was,

I don't think he's ready yet to hear what I have to say.

A year goes by.

That's when I ran my woman off and the kids and everybody else.

And Miss Kay says, why don't you sit down with that guy that came to see you at the beer journey?

He was brave enough to do that.

So I sat down with him.

He ported me to Jesus.

For the first time in my life, I investigated Jesus, the Son of God.

I literally investigated him.

And the more I investigated him,

I didn't even know what the gospel was.

Jesus coming down in flesh, dying for my sins, being buried and raised from the dead,

staying 40 days to convince him he was alive, then to return where he's there 24-7, interceding for us.

The grace of God.

So I never dreamed that life,

peace of mind on the earth, and immortality was even on the table.

It just never occurred to me till I was 28.

I said, Good night.

We're discussing immortality here.

I said, that's big.

You look for the first time.

So when I went in,

I literally went all in.

I said, I have been running with the devil and I'm 28 years old.

I'm looking at my track record and it is pathetic.

So I thought,

how about let's just go wide open

for God here?

So that basically was the motivation for me to turn a hard

right

and go the opposite direction I'd been going in.

But if you'd have told me that would happen to me, and I would be out hollering about Jesus for 40, the last 44 years, I would have said, are you crazy?

My sister was correct.

I have brought thousands to the Lord.

She knew.

I didn't even know she knew that.

So I guess she's a little bit of a prophetess herself.

So let's go back because I've

alcoholic, recovering alcoholic or not?

Hard to say about things like alcoholic.

The Bible just says drunkard.

Okay.

Drunkard.

Drunkard.

Okay.

Alcoholic is a disease.

Drunkard is sin.

You get my point?

Yeah.

I just stick with what is sin.

The lists are there.

You read the list.

They're not going to change.

The sins have never changed from cover to cover.

Same sins.

The Savior shows up, same Savior.

It's just like this.

Over and over and over, the empires come and go.

It's amazing, and we'll get into this later, but it's amazing to me.

I've always read the Bible and went, How are these people so stupid?

Then they see 20 pages before this.

This is what's happening.

Now they're just repeating it.

And we're doing it right now.

We are those stupid people.

Look,

in defense of God,

simple things.

I'm a C-plus man.

I do have a master's degree.

I'm no dumbo.

I mean, I sat through and I listened to my professors, by the way, not one

kind

word

about God

my entire

college career.

Not one kind word about God.

Never even mentioned.

But in defense of there is no God, God is dead.

You and I,

seated right here,

right now,

you and I are traveling on planet Earth, and planet Earth is going at 66,700 miles per hour.

Beck,

I don't even have a sensation of moving.

All the cosmologists and scientists agree.

As it's making its trip around the Sun at 66,700 miles an hour, it will travel with us on it.

We're taking a trip.

We're going to travel in one year.

If you had a starting point, when you get back around to your starting point, you will have traveled 584 million

miles.

It's spinning like a top

at 1,000 miles an hour as it's going 66,000 miles an hour.

It's going,

you see the sun half the time and it gets gets dark half the time.

Every 24 hours, it makes a complete revolution.

Now, I'm just a C-plus man.

It's angled back at 23.5 degrees.

Therefore, you see four seasons on your trip: spring, summer, fall, winter,

without that angle.

Nope.

So I'm like,

I said,

the mind that just did that,

that just put that together,

here's Mercury and Venus on our left.

Mercury is closer than us to the sun, so much so that it's 850 degrees there today.

You're like, that knocks out life there.

Well, there's Venus sitting right beside us on our left.

It's about 800 and something degrees.

No life there.

There's us

just

right.

I mean, you better not be any closer.

You better not be any further than...

Uh uh-uh.

You say, life won't be any life.

That 23.5 degrees got to be that way.

Got to have the right size moon there.

Gravity, you like.

So I'm not a rocket scientist, but there's Mars over there.

Uh-oh, a little too far away.

Mars would be 200 below at night.

It's about 70 in the daytime.

You say, you could be some kind of thing and might camp out there,

but there's no life on our left, on our right, or anywhere else that we found.

For that to come out of some kind of boom,

Beck, give me a break.

That took a mind

to put that into play.

Just think about it.

So I will tell you this.

I do not believe that you throw words up into the air, no matter how many millions and millions of billions eternity, monkeys don't throw words up in the air and have Shakespeare come out.

So I agree with you on that.

However, I don't know how God creates.

I'm willing to say

the Big Bang, evolution.

I don't care.

It doesn't mean anything to my soul to know that answer.

I'd like to know that answer.

Someday I will know that answer.

But for us to fight about

creation, to me is ridiculous.

That's right.

Because they'll take you to the Big Bang.

My father used to say, you can't talk about God unless you agree on what God means.

And God is so defined so many different ways.

He said,

if you really want to talk about the essence of God, you have to call and be on the same page.

You have to say, let's talk first cause.

Because that'll take you back past the big boom.

What is first cause?

What is the thing that pushed?

That's right.

And no one knows that.

No one knows that.

In him,

Colossians 2 there.

In him,

all things hold together.

Created through him, the cosmos was created.

Both everything in heaven and on earth.

Talking about Jesus, God in flesh.

Visible, it says, and invisible.

You're like, now wait a minute.

That was written 2,000 years ago, about 50, 60 AD.

How in the world would the Apostle Paul known anything about invisible things being created?

Invisible?

They didn't have microscopes.

They didn't have space.

They didn't have.

You're like, how would he know?

It helped me.

This is what I think.

I don't know this,

but I bet I'm right.

If you are a being

who consists of and you are in

every

atom,

you're in every atom.

If you are that kind of being invisible

and you are in

and you control completely the arrangement of atoms and molecules.

Beck, if you had that kind of power, we'll say omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent.

You say, omnipresent, you'd have to be in all the atoms and all material

and paper and wood and plastic in you.

You're like, if you were that kind of being, just think about it.

It's done.

Seconds, milliseconds.

You want coal deposits, oil deposits, diamonds, gold,

done.

That's why when you read the creation story, you say, how in the world, there was evening and there was morning the first day.

How in the world could you even claim some kind of being was doing that?

You would have to have complete and utter control over the atomic structure of all matter.

Where when you spoke, you spoke,

it's there.

Right.

You say,

and that's the one, think about it.

How would even God know all the sins of the entire world unless he were in the atoms that make up human beings, every part of them.

You're like, he knows the sins of the Chinese.

You say, how could you know that?

That many human beings.

You're like, good night.

You're in the atomic structure of everything.

Resurrection,

life.

Nothing to it.

Nothing to it.

Nothing to it.

To him, nothing to it.

When you read about these great promises, all your sins are forgiven.

I'm sending my son down to remove your sin.

I'll view you as perfect from now on because your trust is in my son.

I guarantee you, it's impossible for me to lie.

And I'm telling you, humans, I can't lie.

So I'm going to swear by myself that I'm going to deliver you from sin and death.

I'm going to give you immortality.

You have hope.

He said, make that an anchor for your soul.

Let that be your anchor.

I will do it.

I'm looking at it.

Beck,

is there a chance that we could participate in this

without God?

If there is no God,

we have a six-foot hole coming up, and that's the end of it.

I just can't go through life without a smidgen.

Somebody, I'll take my chances without Jesus.

I said, dude, you don't have a chance without him.

Do you have a better story?

They're like, uh,

said, life and immortality.

You got a better story based on one person who ever lived on earth.

You're counting time by him.

It's 2019 years since Jesus showed up.

But what in the world do you call all the years before Jesus showed up?

You call those all the years before Jesus showed up.

You're like, one person

out of all the people that ever walked on planet Earth, and where our calendar is based on just one of them.

All I can say is he had to do something big back.

It had to have been big.

They're never going to count time by me or you.

You said, no, they're not going to count time by us.

I'm like,

I've never heard of anybody like Jesus Christ.

But I didn't investigate him until I was 28.

28.

I said, whoa, here, wait a minute here.

Whoa, now.

I didn't know immortality was riding on this, you know, high in the sky.

Therefore, I'm so convinced of it now.

I'm 72.

Old age is creeping in.

But because of what's been done for me, God, through Jesus by the power of the Spirit, you say,

You don't worry about physical death.

God,

he too shared in their humanity.

Jesus, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Man, when he took away physical death, and it's a snap,

Our bodies fall asleep.

Our souls and spirits are alive.

We're alive without our body.

It's not a bad position to be.

End of time, here comes Jesus.

We believe that God will bring with Jesus, 1 Thessalonians 4:13, those who have fallen asleep in him.

You say, he's coming back.

What's he coming after?

Why return?

The bodies.

We're reunited with our bodies, this time a glorified one.

We will have a new heavens and a new earth, and we will live forever, immortality.

Until somebody tops that story back, I'm going with it.

I haven't heard someone top it yet.

Have you?

No.

I mean, there's been some great stories, but this one is not just a great story.

This one has such wisdom behind it and such truth.

When you read it, when you actually read it, not when you just listen to quotes, but when you actually read it, to me, the word of God takes on a different meaning.

It's not,

it's like, I give you my word.

It's not the word of God as in, oh, here's a whole bunch of stuff he said.

It's

his word.

I give you my word.

This is true.

And that right there answers the question that I've talked to many, and they'll say, but Phil, if God would just speak to me, if he would just say something to me, then I would know.

I said, what do you want him to do?

Write you a letter?

I said, look, he wrote you 66 letters here.

I said,

this is a book of texts.

I said, the only thing I've seen that remotely resembles anything decent.

Coming out of a cell phone or computer, I said, are the texts.

I said, they even use biblical language.

I said, there's a lot of text messages in here.

I said, he's giving us life and immortality.

You say, well, boy, this is really going to be hard.

What am I supposed to do now?

He says,

I made it.

That's the text.

That's your text for today.

I made the whole thing and made you, put you on it.

So I want you to do two things.

This is going to be really difficult for you, and you're going to really struggle with it.

Just love me, God says, and love each other.

For the life of me, Beck,

love God

and love your neighbor.

I don't see the downside.

I don't either.

I'm like, come on.

I woke up this morning in Dallas, Texas,

hotel,

got up.

My man brought me a cup of coffee.

You say, Phil, let me ask you something.

Have you sinned yet yet today?

No.

No.

You say, any belligerence coming out of you today?

No.

Any fits of rage?

No.

Any evil thoughts?

Not yet.

You're like,

so

any cursing

coming out of your mouth today, Phil?

No.

I'm just saying, get up and do good.

I'm like, how hard could it be?

I mean, you got life and immortality.

So get up in the morning and just be good.

Love me, God says, and love your neighbor.

Just go around doing good.

Seek glory.

Seek honor.

Seek immortality.

I'll give you eternal life.

Just do good.

For those who are self-seeking, and who reject the truth and follow evil, there's going to be wrath and anger.

There'll be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil.

First for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

The age-old struggle between good and evil has all been solved when Jesus came down in flesh.

Up until that time, it was keep a strict

code or die.

You're like, finally, there's provision for our violations, our sins, blood, mistake-free God and a mistake-free body.

It took that kind of blood to take away our sin, and the rest is history.

So

I feel pretty confident.

I feel very confident that the Lord Jesus will do exactly what he said he would do.

Get us out alive.

And all we have to do is be good.

For the life of me, Beck,

I've been trying it for years.

I'm getting better at it because you say you're 72 now.

I'm getting better at doing good than I was when I was 28, 30.

I started out like this: I'm zigzagging.

I'm trying to get on my feet, trying to develop my faith.

By the time you get 72, you begin to understand texts like the Hebrew writer.

It says, It says,

Let's see,

solid food is for the mature who by constant use,

they took these scriptures, have trained themselves

to do just one thing, distinguish good from evil, know the difference, shun evil, embrace good.

You say, you mean to tell me it's that simple?

It's that simple.

So here we are.

I feel very good about it.

I'm trying to get that message into people's ears.

Some don't understand it.

The devil snatches away what I plant.

Some say, oh my goodness, that's it.

That's it.

But in the time of testing, when trouble or persecution comes along because of the word, they quickly fall away.

It's two out of two.

The third one, it's like the seed falling among the thorns.

They get tangled up in the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of wealth, and you say they don't mature.

Now, that's three out of three, three down.

I'm like, whoa.

But those with a good and honest heart,

they receive the seed and by persevering produce a crop.

They go out and they go out and they go out.

So one of the chapters in the book I mentioned was that autonomous Christianity, meaning when you get Christianity and following Jesus down to a

one-day a week trip to a church building,

that's two hours, but there's 168 hours in a week.

You're like, two of them, you're going to worship God, but the other 166, how's your life?

So I'm trying to get them to see and view God's mercy.

offer themselves as living sacrifices.

Now, look, it's not Sunday today.

You and I are carrying on this conversation in the early part of the week.

You say it's two, three o'clock in the evening, whatever time it is.

You're like, so what are you and Beck doing?

Oh, we're worshiping God here.

That's what we're doing.

We're showing people who we are.

You happen to be on, and others are hearing this.

You say, are you aware that what you're saying about God?

And is Glenn aware that what he's saying about God is going out?

Well, sure, we're aware of it.

Very aware.

And look, we get a cursing.

Well, what do you know?

The evil one working in people, so they're going to curse us.

Well, sure, they're going to.

Is trouble going to come your way because of it?

Well, of course it is.

Look how they, look what they did to him.

I mean, and each of his followers.

And each of his followers just brutalized him.

You're like, well, good.

So I'm not stunned when people hate me.

Here's a news flash for our listeners here.

I love them anyway.

I don't hold it against them.

I take a cursing.

You say, do you get mad?

No.

I'm like,

just think about it.

And I go to the next one.

Just think about it.

That's my line.

Just, you don't have to holler.

Just think about it.

I'm on down the road.

So it doesn't bother me at all trying to help them for crying out loud.

Not a lot of people can do that right now.

We're kind of, you know,

when you say the two great commandments, that is the answer to everything we're looking for right now.

That's right.

Just love God

and love your neighbor.

That's it.

We don't need any fancy

tea parties, Republicans, Democrats, presidents.

You don't need smoke coming out of the floor when you have your meetings and try to outdo.

It's calm down.

I mean, you get together kind of like a huddle.

Okay, that's one day a week.

But once you walk out that door of the church building, oh, that's where the action is.

Correct.

Correct.

It's out there.

You know, I have a new understanding for as things become more and more insane in our world.

Yep.

I thought of the poster that

Churchill put out in the Second World War.

Keep calm and carry on.

Right now, none of us are keeping calm.

We're all freaking out.

All we have to do is

keep calm and then do the things that you know are right.

Just pay no attention to that, just keep calm and carry on.

You're quoting some great scriptures.

Look, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, offer your body as living sacrifices holy and pleasing to God.

Offer your body, that's 24-7,

which is your spiritual worship.

Don't conform any longer to the pattern of the world.

You just mentioned the pattern of the world back.

It's insane.

If someone had told me that we would end up

by 2020 with the mischief and the sinful,

the murder

of their own children, they shoot up churches, concert.

You're like, what?

Jesus said, the devil is the father of lies.

Just look at the news media.

and what they keep

coming out of their mouth and you're like

and the scary part is,

I think they believe the lie.

I do too.

And it's not just

the news media.

It's the...

Jesus said the devil is behind the whole thing.

Yeah, it's advertising.

Think of the lies of, to sell somebody a product, I have to tell you you're not complete without this.

That's the biggest lie there is.

I know it.

That's why I haven't gotten into the cell phone and computer business.

I'm I'm on the computer, but I never...

Look, there's different gifts.

Here's worship.

Love must be sincere, 24-7.

Hate what is evil.

Cling to what's good

all the time, 24-7.

Be devoted to one another in brotherly love all the time.

Honor one another above yourselves

all the time.

Don't be lagging in zeal.

Keep your spiritual fervor serving the Lord all the time.

Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction.

My prostate acted up here about two or three weeks ago.

You say, did you go down, down on the ground?

I asked the Almighty to take it from me.

It took about a week or 10 days.

I actually went to see a doctor for the first time in 50 years.

You say, Patient in affliction, the last time I've been in the hospital is when a tick bit me and gave me rabbit fever.

You say, you haven't been back to a doctor since.

But I went the other day because the old prostate got to acting up.

You're like, was it rough?

Was it rough?

So look, patient in affliction, I weathered it.

Faithful in prayer.

Share with God's people who are in need.

Practice hospitality.

Have them over for a meal.

Bless those who persecute you.

That's why I told you, I don't

curse them.

Bless them.

They're all right.

Bless and don't curse.

Rejoice with those who rejoice.

Mourn with those who mourn.

Live in harmony with one another.

Don't be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position, the poor, the downtrodden,

where they've rednecked, whatever.

Don't be conceited.

Don't repay anyone evil for evil.

This is worship.

This is how we worship.

Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody.

You're like, be careful to do what is right, no matter who's looking.

Do what is right.

Be careful to do what's right.

Heathen or not, do what's right before them.

Let them see that.

If it's possible, which is amazing, as far as it depends on you,

live at peace with everyone.

I live in a redneck neighborhood.

You say, you try to live at peace with them.

Yep.

They were stealing my fish.

The rednecks back when I was fishing to survive before the duck call took off.

I had a lot of nets in the river, hoop hook nets.

Catfish go in them.

Buffalo.

Buffalo, you get 30 cents a pound.

Catfish you get 70.

I had all these nets out.

I had floats on them.

You could see them.

Everyone around there knew they were my nets.

I would notice that I'd hear an outboard.

Well, I trained myself to

go down there right quick and looking through the bushes.

And I'm looking over there.

And every once in a while, some of these guys would pull up on one of those floats

and and then start coming up with it.

They're going to steal my fish.

What I did at first, I was young in the faith.

I took a shotgun with buckshot and I tore out there and I would

threaten them, scare the daylights out of them.

What are you doing stealing from me?

But they kept stealing.

I'd run that bunch off, and three weeks later, there's another bunch.

I read this text that where I'm reading now:

Don't take revenge, my friends.

Leave room for God's wrath.

It's written, it's mine to avenge.

I will repay, says the Lord.

On the contrary, if your enemy's hungry, feed him.

If he's thirsty, give him something to drink.

I said,

young into faith.

I said,

that won't work.

These rednecks,

if I'm good to them,

if I give them what they're trying to steal you're telling me lord they'll quit stealing i said that won't work but it occurred to me back i said

how would i know i've never tried it i'm just trying to spook them

and these are dangerous people anyway of course you're in the south you eat yankees yeah so i said well

I'm going to try that, Lord.

I'm going to test you right here on this.

So the next bunch I catch, I tear out there with my motor.

I have my gun just in case my faith gets a little weak.

But it's not in my hands.

It's in the bottom of the boat.

I pull out there.

These guys look around and they're dropping my net in the river, acting like they were fishing.

I said, guys, it looks like...

You've had trouble catching some fish and you decided to get mine and my nets.

I said, good times have come your way.

I'm going to give you the fish.

And they're looking at me and the look on their faces, they looked at each other.

I said, I'm going to give you what you,

I want you to have a fish fry.

How many are coming?

They said,

well,

let's see.

There was my cousin.

And I said, you know, you start frying fish, people will come out of the woodwork.

kin folks you haven't seen in years.

I said, listen, I'm going to keep your boat right there.

I said, calm down now.

I'm not going going to hurt you.

I said, I'm going to give you what you were trying to.

Let's see what you fixed to catch.

Well, I pulled the net up, had a lot of fish in it.

I put them in my boat.

I put the net back out.

I said, bring your boat over here.

They said, no, so we're just going down.

I said, come on over here.

They were scared of me.

But they were thinking, wait a minute, we're stealing from him.

He's given us what we were trying to steal.

He's crazy.

So look, they get their boat over and I start throwing fish over in their boat.

I said, when you think you have enough for the fish fry, you can say, say so.

And they told me one time, well, you know, I think that'd be enough, Mr.

Roger.

I said, no, let me give you a few more.

So I threw them some more.

I said, now,

you have what you wanted to steal.

I'm giving you what you were trying to steal.

I said, I do this for a living.

This is how I make money.

I said, I would appreciate it if you didn't steal from me.

I said, now listen, I live, see up there on a hill, that house on that hill?

Yeah.

I said, the next time you want to fish fry, if you can't catch any fish, just come see me and I'll give them to you.

All the way up and down the river for years after that, they all quit stealing from me.

What I didn't know was, young in the faith,

I appealed to their conscience, if they had one.

And I wanted them to say,

good night, the guy will give them to us.

I mean, the old guy gave us the fish we were trying to steal.

Can you believe that?

Well, once that goes around in the redneck circles, they say, We shouldn't fool with that old dude.

That's a good old dude.

God was right all along.

I just never had,

I was too weak to see it.

So, I will tell you,

I find I read the scriptures and I find answers to everything, everything that you're doing, just like you did with the fish.

I find answers everywhere in it,

and it's amazing because every time I try it, it works too.

Is there a problem

with people of faith in America today because they

profess they believe it, but then they don't do it.

The answer is these are not enemies of yours.

They're enemies of mine.

I have the right for vengeance.

You don't.

I am commanding you to love them.

Remember, we're not wrestling against flesh and blood.

Right.

That's humans.

That's not where the battle is.

Correct.

But we're wrestling with the rulers of this age, the authorities,

evil of darkness, the princes of darkness, the spiritual wickedness.

Our battle is with the evil one.

That's why when I wrote that book, it says the theft of America's soul, I'm putting it on the the evil one.

The humans are just caught up in it.

Correct.

But

if they're delivered from Satan, they're ready to go.

But he's the problem.

So where are all the Christians that don't want to,

that will say,

you know what, I have plenty.

Let me give you my fish.

Just don't steal from me.

They would say,

and I mean this for everybody, but I'm hearing it from Christians.

know, but I know everybody is this way.

They would say, that is weakness.

That will show weakness.

They're going to steal from you blind if you do that.

You can't do that.

You've got to show power and you've got to stand up.

Yeah, yeah.

Let me show you another thing where they would do the same thing.

Be angry,

but sin not.

Okay, so someone sins against you and you're angry.

You're good.

Anger is a healthy emotion.

However, vengeance is not.

That's right.

Be angry, but don't sin.

You're like, well, how could I be angry and not sin?

Well, if you lash back out verbally, they curse you, you start cursing them, and then you have a, and it escalates.

So we both are cursing each other.

You know, good, you know, two neighbors, one mowing the grass, one on the other side of the fence, and they're sitting there cursing each other.

You're like, you can't lash back physically.

You're sinning.

You have to keep your mouth shut.

You don't pick up something either and begin to beat them half to death with it or pull out your pistol and shoot them.

Be angry, but don't sin.

Okay, they sinned against you.

You don't retaliate verbally.

You don't retaliate physically.

You just walk away.

However, a lot of times when you walk away,

You didn't sin, not yet, but you're bitter

because they they cursed you.

You're like, they've still got their talons on you.

They're still causing you harm.

They're still controlling you because you're bitter about taking the cursing for no reason.

You say,

well, what's the way out of that mess?

What's the strong person to do?

Just forgive them.

Don't be bitter.

Don't lash out verbally.

Don't lash out physically.

Just forgive them and move on.

You say, it looked, who's the stronger person?

The one that can't take a cursing without cursing back?

That's weak.

You say, pick up something because somebody cursed you and you're going to beat them after death.

You say, that's weak.

You're bitter for the next 20 years over what someone, you're like, they've controlled your life for 20 years.

You're still mad about what they did back.

You see it all the time.

Or just forgive them and move on.

You say, forgive them.

That's true.

There's the strong person.

So we just get it out of whack.

So

I think forgiveness is the...

I think that's the first step.

I think the deeper step of it is

profound empathy.

I know I've been in situations where I've had to forgive and I could forgive.

And then I've been in situations that I've prayed a lot about, that I knew I was going to have problems with.

And my whole heart

saw, felt their pain.

And all of a sudden, no matter what they said to me, I could just feel how much pain they were in.

And

it brings you to tears.

And that is,

that's even more.

When you can, to say, I forgive you and mean it is hard.

Yep.

To feel the

human beings.

Very difficult for human beings to get that.

That's why the greatest commands of the Bible, love God and love your neighbor, you you say,

in spite of the mistakes.

How many times, Lord, should we be forgiven?

Seven?

He said,

70 times seven.

70 times seven.

They like, 70 times seven.

If Glenn Beck and Phil Robertson added up every violation where they broke God's, one of his laws,

If we added them all up,

you say

there would be probably thousands.

That's why Jesus said, you be forgiven to him 70 times 7.

Be ready to forgive.

Look how many sins I've forgiven of you.

So if you look at it like that, you say, whoa, watch this.

Leave no debt remain outstanding.

Let no debt remain outstanding.

Pay your bills.

Except one debt we owe, Beck,

the continuing debt to love one another.

For he who loves his fellow man,

watch how this works, has fulfilled the law with all the don't do this, don't do that, don't lie, don't steal, don't curse, don't, you're like,

how do you fulfill that?

Love your neighbor.

Watch.

The commandments do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, and whatever other commandment there may be are summed up in this one rule.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

Love does no harm to its neighbor.

You're like,

I don't get up in the morning and say, I got to make sure that I don't steal somebody's money out of their bill fold.

I got to make sure that

I don't have any evil thoughts.

And I got to make sure that I don't lash out at that.

Just love them.

Just love them.

If you love them, you're certainly not going to shoot them.

If you love them, you say you're not going to be unkind to them.

If you love them, you're not going to mess with their woman.

You love them too much.

She's your sister.

She's a fellow human being.

You say, love would take care of every bit of that.

But boy, is that a hard lesson?

It's a hard one.

You have to believe in miracles.

Yeah.

Now, we live in a culture now,

it seems

like

they're mad,

and I haven't even spoken yet.

I haven't even voiced an opinion yet.

But they seem angry.

They seem mad.

And I'm like,

I'm listening to them, and they're constantly ranting.

And

you're looking at them and you're like,

so I've come to a conclusion that if you ever get in the state of mind,

Romans 1.28 says, because they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God,

they're not getting any knowledge of God in the school system.

They're certainly not getting any knowledge of God in the news media for the most part.

You're like, they're certainly not getting it out of government.

Every once in a while, a little lip service, you know, you know, God help us.

But you say, it's not coming out of Hollywood.

You say, well, where would they get a consciousness of God?

If none of the school system, if none of them are taught that, you're like, my goodness.

Since they don't think it's worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, God gives them over to a depraved mind.

You're talking to depraved people who are mad.

They're mad because they have a problem.

It's sin, but they don't know what their problem is.

Their problem is that they don't know what their problem is.

And it's coming out of them, and they're mad at you,

and you haven't even done anything yet.

You're like, get up in the morning, mad, go to bed at night.

Job well done.

And if you take half the human race

in America, half the country, and they get there, this is going to, this is, this is,

this is not good.

We can't carry on a decent conversation with half the country.

And we're the culprits in all this, or so they say.

And I'm thinking, look, we love y'all.

Calm down.

But it just keeps

they say their internet's full of it.

I've never had a cell phone, so at least I don't hear it.

They had me read yesterday six tweets

that someone had written and they took it off Twitter or whatever it is.

They had me read them.

And it was the first time I'd ever read a tweet.

Really?

Except like television, Donald Trump, and he tweets.

Okay.

But you say, have you ever personally read one

off Twitter?

Not one.

And I never, they printed these out on little cards.

And they were blaming Blaze TV for putting a little slot on Twitter.

And they were calling them Nazis, the Blaze TV.

I was a Nazi.

you were a Nazi.

And what else was it?

It's cursing us.

And I just thought,

I said, I don't know what to say when I read this.

I said, there's one reason I don't have a cell phone.

I don't listen to this.

I just don't listen to it.

Let me go back

to my original question about 47 minutes ago, which was

alcoholic and

drunkard.

One is sin.

One is

the escape from sin, I think, the attempt to escape from sin.

And that comes from some place that is

troubled, you know.

I know.

I had to transform.

I did it at 30.

You did it at 28.

I had to transform.

I didn't know what I knew.

I didn't know what was true.

I didn't know God.

I didn't, and all of the lies in my past, all the mistakes and everything else just built up.

And I was either going to explode, you know, kill myself, or, you know, die in some drunken fury or find an answer.

So I started looking for it.

But there was a lot of stuff in me.

And in reading your, in reading your book, in reading who you were before this,

you seemed like a pretty angry guy

pretty angry guy why mean

because

you got texts like 1 John 5 19

we know we are the children of God I wasn't there yet

and the whole world

is under the control of the evil one

that's one text Another text says, the Lord's servant must not quarrel.

He must be kind kind to everyone, not resentful.

Those who oppose him, he must gently instruct in the hope that God will grant them repentance,

leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil who's taken them captive to do his will.

That's a couple of texts right there to show you.

You say, Ephesians 2, the evil one works in people.

I've got captured by, being worked in, and being controlled by.

That's pretty well a tight grip.

When I was 28 and the alcohol was flowing, I didn't know I was under the control of the evil one.

I didn't know that.

It was only after I was released from that that I looked back.

And by the way,

this is for your own

notes.

I noticed that most people I convert,

they're about 27 to 31 or 32.

Same age.

You say a couple of years apart.

Well, I've heard so many people say that.

I got to looking at it carefully.

And I said, and I wondered about that.

I said, why are they always around 30?

So most people are around 30, around 30.

I just kept coming up with all the conversions I was looking at.

But it occurred to me, by the time you get to be 30 back,

you have a track record.

And And it's either success or massive failure.

And look, here's the kicker.

And you look back at where you had been and who you were under the control.

I didn't know I was out from under the control of the evil one till I came under the control of God Almighty through Jesus Christ by his spirit.

I'm sealed with the Spirit of God, which was that that right there was the kicker because then I could look back and I said

you know what I thought

I said

what was I thinking

I said what was I

I can't believe I was doing that once you released I looked back once I was released then I began to think clearly what was I thinking was I that stupid I mean alcohol just getting drunk three or four times a week I'm like

I didn't even know I was under the control of the evil one until I was delivered from him.

Then it all became very clear to me.

This Jesus will work.

This will work.

So that's when I got a heading.

And I said, I tell you what, Lord, you have delivered me like I

didn't think possible.

So you fast forward,

oh, 44, 45 years, you say, you get it now for sure.

Yeah.

The first time I met you,

Dow, you remember, it was up here at the Speedway.

And

we were there, and I think I was with some of my Navy SEAL friends, and they were doing something, and you guys were there.

And I walk backstage, and I'm sitting next to this wonderful woman, just wonderful woman.

No idea who she was.

I just don't watch television.

I just don't watch commercial television like that, especially back then.

And

she's just so great and so sweet.

And about halfway through our conversation, I realize

that's this Miss K that I know about, that I've heard so much about.

Why the hell did she stay with you?

When you were like

her grandmother told her, there'll come a time when you'll have to fight for your marriage.

You'll have to fight for it.

And she said,

you know, mama, what do you, what do you, what do you

said?

You'll have to fight for it.

Just get ready for that time.

And when it happens, you fight for your marriage.

You hang in there.

She waited me out.

It's Kay.

When I finally came to Jesus,

she said, Finally, now

my boys would say things like,

uh, does that mean Daddy's not with the devil anymore?

She said, That's what it means.

He's done with that.

I said y'all gonna have a lot better daddy now.

And then we all took off and we looked up one day.

I've told people this before, Beck.

Yes, I ended up rich and famous.

And yes, you can do it without a cell phone or a computer.

You can pull it off.

I don't know how many have pulled it off without any use of a cell phone or computer, but I was able to pull it off.

But all the money that came our way

can't remove my sin.

Yeah.

And no matter how famous I even think I am, you say, can it raise you from the dead, Phil?

I'm like, not even close.

So I have to be careful to keep everything in perspective here.

There is a God in heaven, and I am here to serve him.

Thank you for blessing me.

I don't care too much about the fame.

It's a pretty good hassle.

But, Lord, I'll serve you faithfully.

Just help me serve you how how how did you keep me from the evil one how did you

um

i think you and i are enough alike to to to

uh know that once you've once you've

done it your way and failed

uh and you're really truly humble and desperate enough for the help you really have to be pretty desperate to say i surrender this desperation no doubt um and i don't know i i I feel horrible saying this, but I've asked friends this before.

I don't know if

I feel bad for people who, in some ways, in some ways,

who haven't really needed

the atonement, haven't really needed that.

I'm glad I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy, but boy, there is something.

to be said for when you are so desperate it doesn't matter anymore, and you just say, I'm done.

That puts you in a position of

truly being his puppet,

his

tool that he can use.

Now he can use it any way he wants because the tool's not fighting him anymore.

Yep.

It's a personal thing.

It has to be a deeply personal thing between you and the Almighty God in heaven.

In my case, I didn't veer to the left nor right.

When I said, I am done with the past life, I meant it.

I remember very well that it was like a giant burden being lifted off me when I came forth from the waters of baptism.

I thought,

I said, starting over.

Tell me what was going through your mind the moment before baptism and the moment after.

I told the guy, I called him up.

I said, I've researched the material.

I cannot get around it.

I said,

it's time for a change.

I said, I want you to come down here and pick me up.

And I said, take me to some water.

And I said, do not wreck the vehicle before we get there.

He said, I'll drive carefully.

I said, drive slow.

And I said, get me down there.

And I'm fixing it.

I'm starting over right here.

I said,

it's a new deal for me.

But I said, I'm starting over here and now.

I never wavered off that.

I did.

It did take me a while

to get on my feet.

I hid out for about a year.

I unless a telephone number where my buddies couldn't get in touch with me.

I'll put in the book.

The old atheist buddy of mine,

he watched me for 12 years, came back the first year when they finally tracked me down, wanted me to go up the road with them, pull something drunk with them.

I said, I'm not going.

They said,

why not?

I said,

the Phil Robertson you're looking for

is dead.

I said, he's gone.

I said, this is the new one.

And he actually challenged you and said, you're never going to.

That's right.

He's not making it.

Yeah.

They looked at each other and they were like, so this is the new one?

What?

You got some kind of religious kick?

I said, I think it's more than a religious kick.

I said, if you guys could tell me where I came from, what am I doing here?

Is there a way out of here?

Speak on those matters.

One of them said, if you really want to know where we came from, we came from fish.

He was a doctor, medical doctor.

And I said, we came from fish.

And I said, and now we're frying and eating what we used to be.

I said, I don't believe that.

So they left.

12 years goes by.

The doctor diagnoses the atheist, Big Al

had an aneurysm near his heart.

He said, that thing explode.

You are dead.

So Big Al calls me 12 years after my conversion and said, I want to talk to you.

I said, I'm on my way.

So it's about 70 miles.

I drove to his house.

I told Miss Kay, I said, I think old Big Al is fixing to turn.

When he told me that the doctor had told him about the aneurysm in his heart, I said, are you doubting just a little bit that maybe

there is a God?

I said, physical death

is knocking on your door, Bolan.

He said, I am doubting it.

I'm doubting my atheism here.

So he said, tell me what changed you because you changed.

Well, I told him the good news of Jesus.

I went down there and baptized him.

He lasted about six weeks, fell over dead.

They asked me to do his funeral, which was

something I'd never done before.

And I told the family, I said, listen, you know, I said, most of these guys that do these funerals kind of spiffed up a little bit.

I said, I don't even want a suit.

I said, so.

I don't know.

I said, y'all might ought to get somebody else.

They said, he requested you in case he died.

I said, I'll do it.

So all the townspeople were there.

They knew he'd been a drunk and an atheist.

So I got up there and said, old Big Owl here.

I said, his body's in the casket.

His soul and spirit's with the Lord.

I said,

I'll see him again.

I said, he made it.

I said, he cut it thin.

But he did make it.

So I said, here's what I told him that y'all might not know about.

Well, I use it as a good way to preach the gospel to them.

There wasn't a dry eye in the house, you know.

And out the door I went, and I haven't been back to that little town, but Big Al made it by the skin of his teeth.

Tell me what happened when

was it Discovery?

No, who was it that took the show?

AE.

When AE first came to you, was there any, you're a guy that doesn't use a computer, you don't use a phone.

Was there any

the fastest way to my kids?

Would be monsters if I had exposed them to television like that?

When they gave the pitch for the show, I held up my Bible and I said,

is this included?

And they said, Mr.

Robertson, whatever y'all do, we're just going to film you.

I said, let me guess.

Y'all had a beating up there somewhere in New York.

And I said, somebody probably said,

I know this is off the wall and we out there,

but

why don't we film a functional family?

on a reality show.

And someone says, someone else probably said, I was telling ANE this.

I said, somebody else probably said, well, we might confirm a functional family, but where would you find one?

So y'all kicked it around and you ended up down here talking to us, right?

They said, that's pretty close.

That's about the way it went.

So when they gave their pitch, they leave.

And my four sons and their wives, they all looked at me and they said, what do you think about it, Dad?

What do you think?

I said, well,

I said, a bunch of rednecks shooting ducks.

I don't think it'll work.

I don't think people will want to watch that.

I said, however,

I said, boys, what if this is God

wanting us to have more

influence?

Influence.

I said, what if that's behind it?

What if he's behind it?

I said, now, if he's behind it, I said, it'll go ballistic.

Maybe he's given us the opportunity to get the gospel preached to thousands.

Beck,

when we decided to do that, you say, was the gospel preached to thousands?

That's exactly what happened.

Oh, yeah.

I heard so many people say.

It's still coming to me.

Yeah,

and

that was the takeaway from the show.

But let me ask you, where is it in my notes here?

In the book, you talk about how

this thing was not a real success at the beginning.

You said in the first year, generated chicken scratch, $8,200 in sales.

Yep.

Didn't leave a whole lot for Family Five to live on.

But I was faithful and committed to to the vision.

And the following year, you made a whopping $13,000 in sales.

Third year, 22, fourth year, 37.

But by the early 2000s, Duck Commander had become a thriving business.

One supported my family in addition to the families of the few employees.

When the TV show came,

millions, millions.

Right.

Millions of dollars changed hands.

T-shirts, caps, hat, duck calls.

I remember buying them for their children, you you know, the kids.

I said, where's all these duck calls going?

I said, there's not even that many duck hunters in America.

And they said,

the women, your fans are buying them for their kids.

I said, boy,

what's something falling in my lap?

So, oh, it just went crazy.

I remember stopping in a convenience store in the middle of the country.

And I think I was living in New York at the time, where there was no duck.

There was no duck dynasty, anything in New York City.

And

I don't remember where I was, maybe Denver.

And I fly in and we're driving, and I stop into a community store.

I say, let's pull over.

I just got to get something to drink.

We pull over, and it was duck dynasty, everything.

I know it.

Everything.

That was nationwide.

Yeah, it was crazy.

So we looked up, and we all got rich and famous.

But the bottom line is, you say.

So, how did that not

rich?

I know it's the love of money.

It's the love of fame.

It's the arrogance that comes from it.

But

I grounded those boys and then their wives, by the way, I raised four boys, and they all came to me one at a time to show you on why that didn't tear a family apart and go in all directions.

You say, everybody weathered that,

and everybody's still on track.

People are preaching Jesus.

Willie, Jason, Al, my oldest one, you're like Jeff over here in Austin, Texas.

You're like, it all worked out.

They all came to me after they left home, and when they married and they started to have their children, one at a time, my sons came by and they would say, Dad, when we'd have a little feed or something, they'd say, Thank you for raising us the way you did.

Because now that we have children, we get it.

We get it.

They said, Thank you for disciplining us to show every,

I mean, rebuking us, correcting us, training us.

They said, thank you for that because we really need it now with our own kids.

We get it.

So they each thanked me for that.

Well, it made me feel good because

what's happened in America Beck, for the most part,

our family structure is fast

leaving.

Like there's no father, there's no discipline, there's no...

There's no father, there's no mother, there's no male, there's no female, female.

There's no adult.

There's no child.

There's nothing.

There's nothing.

There's nothing.

I mean, I train them to obey their teachers.

I train them to obey old people.

If they're older than you are, sit down and shut up and listen to them.

I train them to obey law enforcement.

I train them to salute the flag, to sing the stars, bangle.

In other words, I trained them to do that, to be patriotic and all that.

Well, if it doesn't come from dad,

where is it going to come from?

We lost that.

And when we lost that,

I say because we didn't think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God.

You run God at.

America is never going to be great again until America becomes godly again.

Phil, I've been saying for a while now,

I think, especially now with infanticide and everything else,

I think this is like the Lord is just kind of throwing down and saying, guys,

it's all up to you.

You either turn back to me, I'll heal your land, but you need to turn back to me and you need to stand up and declare it and you need to ask for my forgiveness because I can't do anything with this anymore.

I can't help you anymore.

You know, Abraham Lincoln had a,

he had a proclamation halfway through the Civil War.

And I hate to say this to a southerner here, but

because I know it can get dicey with Abraham Lincoln, but Abraham Lincoln, we were halfway through the war.

We had lost every, the Union had lost every single battle.

Lincoln

was begging God, what do I do?

What do you want?

And, you know, he's talking about all the treasure.

If all the treasure needs to be piled up and taken, so be it.

And he said, this is about slavery.

This is about abolishing slavery.

It was halfway through.

And he said, You want me to free the slaves?

I'll free the slaves.

Fine, I'll free the slaves.

It's not about keeping the union together, it's about that from here on out.

Yep.

He then went to the people and said, We need fast, prayer, and humiliation.

And he asked the whole country to do it.

We only lost two battles after that.

Yep.

Only two battles.

Yep.

It is all that is required.

If and until there's a mass repentance and a mass turning back, a revival, if you will,

to God,

I don't see how we can stand.

But how are you going to do that, Phil, when the churches have become so ineffective and so

limited?

Romans 12 into practice.

Understand that we, the people of God, are the salt and the light of the world, or we're we're supposed to be.

You're like, I'm just one man.

You're another one.

You say, you just keep up

and keep making the charge forward.

Come on.

Let's go.

Whether there's a mass repentance or not,

I say they're worth the effort.

The people of the United States, I'm saying they're worth the effort.

That's in my prayer every night.

So I'm number one, am going to be part of the part of the spiritual warfare crowd.

I'm trying to get them to turn back to God.

I've been doing this for the last two or three days, but you say everybody's basically in agreement on this.

I mean, people who are sound thinking.

You see what I'm saying?

The no-God thing.

has not worked well in the last 60 years.

It's really hurt us.

It's never worked well in the history of the man.

The Supreme Court, when they decided they would become the Supreme Being,

there's a big difference between the Supreme Court and the Supreme Being.

They stepped over in his shoes and they began to allow these people to kill their own children and redefine 7,000 years of history of what a marriage is.

Back when they did that,

that really hurt us.

They should not have done that.

When I was at Fox,

it was 2009.

I mean, everything was coming at me.

Everything was coming at me.

People were going through my garbage looking for dirt on me.

Doing everything they could.

I remember the time.

I remember the time frame.

It was bad.

I knew you were in a bind, but I just didn't know how big a bind you were.

Yeah, it was bad.

It was bad.

And

I prayed every night, Lord, please help.

Help, help, help, help, help, help, help.

And

it was so clear to me, these are not enemies of yours.

They're not enemies of yours.

They're enemies of mine.

And I will deal with them in my time.

Love them.

Holy cow.

Holy cow.

We have lost the ability

to see the truth anymore.

We have lost the ability to truly be,

have our senses offended.

You know what I mean?

We're so outraged about everything except infanticide.

Look how hard it is for us,

instead of trying to find one mistake,

Judge Kavanaugh, other, they go back into people's past

and they try to find something they can get them on.

It doesn't make any difference.

They got to bring them down.

You say,

we've lost the ability just to forgive each other.

We've just lost it.

I mean, the forgiveness is like, oh, that's weak.

You're like, no, it's not.

We're all full of sin.

Everybody makes mistakes.

I mean, what we were going through people's high school yearbook.

I mean, look, you look back at my past.

It is pathetic.

You see what I'm saying?

Yeah.

So you're like, boy,

you got me there.

I gave them all to God way back.

Thankfully, he's a forgiving and a loving God.

And you're not a forgiving and loving person.

But give me a break.

We've just lost godliness.

We've lost it.

We've lost.

As a nation,

we've lost faith

in an almighty.

We have God.

But we do not have an almighty.

I say we just continue the charge,

go straight forward.

Try our best.

I'm 72.

You say, Phil, you're running out of time faster than I'm running out of time.

I'm just going to try to keep on keeping on until I get too old to do it.

Then, you know, I'll sit there and maybe a few can come by.

I would give me a few words of instruction.

I'm not budging on it, you know, whether they repent or not.

But I wish they would repent because they are really, really going to scream loudly.

If a lot of these positions and these programs they're trying to push through, we give these people their way.

I'm telling you, misery and ruin is going to go unchecked for a long time.

They will scream and holler and beg for mercy, but there won't be any.

Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.

Last bit.

Tell me what

the death and resurrection means to you.

Everything else when it comes to

sin

or health,

your health care,

everything is temporary.

Nothing is eternal till you get to that.

So

when you start talking about something

that's eternal,

it's even a hard concept to wrap your head around.

You're like, eternal.

I told him, that's why I tell people all the time.

I said, I really am not too concerned about buying man's

insurance.

I said, because

with God, it's eternal health care.

He said, I'll heal your diseases too.

I said, I've just watched through the years.

I said, if you have eternal health care, I said, and what's amazing about it, it is free.

I said, they're talking about programs with temporary

results.

I mean, the medical profession, all the doctors, all the medical professionals, you say, all they're going to give you at best is a temporary reprieve.

But you still have that six-foot hole to go into because all the ones treating you end up in the six-foot hole along with all the nurses and you.

So you say, is there anything lasting here?

Yeah.

Jesus and the death of Jesus and his resurrection, you say

eternal consequences.

That's why I said earlier when I started

immortality is riding on this.

Well, I've never read any story ever since I've been on planet Earth that offered immortality through a person

about what he did 2,000 years ago.

I've never heard of it.

I mean, it is the strangest story I personally have ever read.

I don't think human beings literally could have invented a Jesus.

I don't think they could have done it.

I think you could have invented a story, but it wouldn't have been this.

because it went against everything in the culture at the time.

And

it wouldn't read like it does today.

There's no book I've ever read that reads like this, me either.

I mean, there's a lot of really great books, a lot of really great books.

I've never had a question that was not answered, right?

And I'm thinking, how in the world could you

know?

If you read what Jesus said, I mean, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, not that thick.

And if you read that, you say, He never said,

listen, I need to clarify what I said.

Right.

I need to clarify what I said because I don't want you to get the right.

No.

I never heard him even come close to saying, well, I should have, I could have explained this.

No.

And

it's Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

You say, how in the world could you even record somebody saying what he said?

And you can't find any on second thought, maybe I should have said

nothing.

It's just bump into the end.

And even with as much as our culture has changed,

everything

he said,

both sides would still say is valid.

And look how low-tech of a world it is.

I know.

You talk about low-tech.

Yeah.

You say,

and that's still what he said, pertinent.

Fast forward 2,000 years, you're like, how in the world could anything that far back be that relevant?

Right.

Down to every part of your life.

Where did we come from?

What are we doing here?

Is there any way out of here?

Well, you just read through it and you say,

here we sit.

I think we're in very good shape myself.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Name of the book, The Theft of America's Soul, Blowing the Lid Off the Lies That Are Destroying Our Country.

The author, Phil Robertson.

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