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There's two parts of the Mueller report yesterday.

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The collusion thing, we never really were focused on that.

We're really much more focused on obstruction of justice.

We'll get to all of that today.

We were told that Barr was going to redact too much information.

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Trump didn't use any executive privilege on the report.

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But there's a bunch of new ones that are popping up today.

We'll get to those here in one minute.

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So, the spectacle of the Mueller report happened yesterday, and what a spectacle it was.

Very proud of the way our nation handled this whole last couple of years.

It's worked out very well.

We had the big reveal at the press conference with Barr yesterday, then he put the Mueller report onto CDs, and then it was transferred to cassettes for the congressmen to listen on their Walkman.

Then each congressman's individual beeper would go off, and that would indicate that the floppy disk copies were ready.

And once the floppy disk copies were ready, they were uploaded via 5600 BOD modem

via America Online.

to make sure they could get onto the interwebs.

And finally,

the technologically advanced congressmen could

read the entire thing on their palm pilots, which is pretty great.

It really worked out well, and

it wasn't an embarrassing procedure at all.

This is an incredible kind of thing because you had two parts of this.

Part one, collusion.

You're not hearing much about that.

There's a couple things in there that the left is trying to hang on to.

There's a couple of incidents here and there where they're trying to make it seem as if there was something there.

Some of it is just interesting to see what the Russians attempted to do.

Some of it you can kind of see

an inexperienced campaign maybe not handling things the right way.

Maybe they should have just gone to the FBI with some of these things.

Whether they realized them or not, I mean, Mueller quite clearly says there was no intent to do anything wrong here.

There was no intent to collude with Russians, which is again the title of the report, which you'd never guess.

Is the title of the report,

how do we figure out if Trump Screwed Up?

Is the title of the report, hey, you know what?

You know who's awful is Donald Trump?

How do we figure out how to get him out of office?

Stunningly, that's not the title of the report.

The report is Report on the Investigation into Russian Interference in the 2016 presidential election.

And we found that.

We have a lot of examples of it.

We're going to go through some of those and also some crazy historical examples of when Russia actually did do this and they were caught.

And it's incredible.

And they've been doing it the entire time.

They've spent billions and billions of dollars.

I think the estimate is in 1980.

So go back to the Soviet Union.

In 1980, they were spending $3 billion on these practices.

Back then,

I mean, there's been some inflation since then.

Not to mention,

it's a lot easier to do these things now.

You don't have to spend $3 billion.

You can spend a lot less.

But they were trying to influence the election.

The Mueller report captured that very well in multiple documents.

Really, the interesting stuff on that part of the investigation came in the indictments of the 25 Russians that came out earlier.

But this turns now into a political issue because you have the collusion thing, which is pretty much dead, but you have the obstruction thing, which they're going to try to keep alive.

They're going to try to get as much fuel out of this as possible.

And they have this difficult line to walk as Democrats because they have this realization that they want to impeach Donald Trump very badly.

They want to remove Donald Trump from office very badly.

They realize no matter how badly they want that, they don't have enough to actually achieve it.

And the reason they don't have enough to achieve it is the Mueller Report quite clearly does not even think obstruction of justice rises to these levels.

They didn't exonerate him, but they didn't convict him.

They're in the middle there, and we'll get into that a little bit.

Andy McCarthy is going to be joining us later, and

he's got the,

you know, the

legal background to be able to kind of break this down for us.

But basically, you look at this and you say he kind of fell in the middle, and it's not a good place for the Mueller report to land.

And we'll get into that a little bit later on.

But the Democrats now have to figure out politically what they're going to do with this.

And you know what they want so badly if they could just get it is impeachment.

They, and people like Alexandria Ecasio-Cortez are not going to be able to hold themselves back.

The problem here is you're not going to be able to get it through the Senate, even if you wanted to.

So you might be able to impeach Trump in the House.

It's going to go to the Senate.

It's going to fail in the Senate.

It's going to become very unpopular.

And it's the type of thing that could derail their entire campaign.

There is a sect of the Democratic Party that understands this, right?

The Nancy Pelosis of the world,

you know, she's got a million flaws, and she tries to cover most of them with Botox, but a lot of them still exist.

And the idea that she can come out and understand the fact that this would be unpopular and probably hurt their electoral chances in 2020, she's on that bandwagon.

But you have the Ilan Omars, you have the Rashida Tlives, you have the Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

You have all of them who are going to come in here and say, I don't care if it's good electorally.

I want to go after him anyway.

Just like they wanted to kill the Amazon jobs, right?

Like, that's not a good position for anybody.

People in New York believed that this was, Amazon coming to New York City was a great thing.

And she helped kill the Amazon deal because

she doesn't care about that.

You know, she's in a safe district.

As Nancy Pelosi correctly pointed out, a cup of water could run in that district and win.

So there's no risk there.

What they want is impeachment badly.

And you know what they're going to do?

They're going to come as close to it as possible without actually doing it.

This is what they want.

It's like if you are told

the thing you can't do is eat this box of donuts, but you really,

really

want this box of donuts.

You know you can't have them.

You know you can't eat them, but you got the giant box of donuts.

There's 12 of them in there.

They're perfectly glazed.

You know what it looks like when someone opens a box of the Krispy Kreme and they're just, they just look perfect and you just want to eat all of them.

And many times you do, but in this instance, you can't.

So, what are they going to do?

They're going to get in their car.

They're going to drive to Krispy Kreme.

They're going to go through the drive-through.

They're going to buy the donuts.

They're going to bring them back home.

They're going to open the box.

They're going to look longingly at this box of donuts.

They're going to sniff each individual doughnut.

They are going to lick the outside of the glaze of the donuts.

They are going to nibble at the edge of the donuts just to get a little taste.

They're going to shake the box and then they're going to take their finger and lick it and they're going to slide it around the bottom of the box and pick up all the excess glaze and they're going to taste the excess glaze.

They're going to take a bite of the donut.

They're going to chew the donut and then they're going to spit it out.

What they want the American people to come away with here is that, number one, they absolutely could impeach this president because of the terrible things he's done.

And number two, we're just, you know what?

It's time for voters to decide.

We're so close to the election and

we have plenty to get him out of office, but it would be an extended process.

And we know those Republicans, we know what they would say.

So we're going to get really close to these donuts that we want.

We might even, might even get into the bathtub naked and cover ourselves in donuts.

But the one thing we're not going to do is eat all the donuts.

We're going to stay just outside of that area.

The one thing we're not going to do is consume the donuts.

And if they do decide to eat the box of donuts, in this case, impeachment, that is when

they get fat, right?

This is when...

They are going to pay a price with the American people because the American people see this for what it is.

If it was a criminal action, they would support impeachment.

If they caught Donald Trump texting and saying, you know what, Vlad, honestly, can you just come over here and

give me a flash drive?

I'll plug it into the digital voting machine myself.

We'll win this election.

If they had that, if they had something that convinced the American people,

the American people would come along.

I mean, we are pretty much in our silos here, and most people are not going to change their mind because of the Mueller report.

But they're really not going to change their mind because of of this Mueller report

because of the fact that there's nothing there that's overwhelming or convincing.

We know that

there were some actions that were taken by the Trump administration that I think, in retrospect, they probably would have done differently.

And we're going to go through a lot of those today.

But the way the press is handling this is just utterly insane.

There's a story in the New York Times about this today.

And

the lines they draw and

the way they cover this is incredible

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We break for 10 seconds, station ID.

So Robert Mueller releases this report, and the New York Times gets to work.

And this is, it was interesting to see how everyone covered this.

Everyone jumped into like

the mode of this is the biggest breaking news story of all time.

And obviously it's very, it's very, it's been on the top of the news cycle for a long time.

I expect them to cover it.

A lot of resources expended here to do this all in one day.

Story comes out today that Mueller reveals Trump's efforts to thwart Russian inquiry in a highly anticipated report.

It goes through some of the basics here.

Mueller laid out how his team of prosecutors wrestled with whether Trump's actions added up to criminal obstruction of justice offenses.

They ultimately chose not to charge Mr.

Trump, citing numerous legal and factual constraints,

but pointedly declined to exonerate him and suggested that it might be the role of Congress to settle the matter.

I like the phrasing there.

When you don't have the information to convict someone, you could say they didn't do it.

You could say, look, maybe they did it, but we don't have enough evidence to show that they did it.

The New York Times calls it factual constraints.

Factual constraints?

What

is the?

I mean, there are some parts of this that are talking about how, okay, it's the president of the United States.

There are different considerations here.

Obviously, he has constitutional power to do a lot of these things.

And so if he has constitutional power to do them, well, I mean,

is it a crime?

Could it be a crime?

But no, they say factual constraints were one of the issues.

Then they say this, and I love the wording of this.

Every once in a while, one word makes the difference.

You know?

The difference between like and love

is really significant, isn't it?

I like you, honey.

I love you, honey.

Those are two big, different things.

They make a big difference in the way you say them.

And that's the case here.

The report laid bare that Mr.

Trump was elected with the help of a foreign power.

Now, that is,

that's a pretty amazing statement, isn't it?

And the actual answer to that question is no.

It's not an amazing statement at all.

Listen to it very carefully.

The report laid bare that Mr.

Trump was elected with the help of a foreign power.

They're not saying he was elected because

of the help of foreign power.

They're saying he was elected with the help of a foreign power.

Now, we do know that Trump posted a lot of, or the Russia.

posted a lot of social media thing campaigns.

They did obviously go after Hillary's emails.

They did things believing that their interactions with the Trump administration would be better than their interactions with the Clinton administration.

And they go through a lot of the details here.

And this is not something that is new.

It's been out there for a very long time.

It wasn't exclusively to help Trump, their efforts by any means.

There was a lot of

efforts on both sides just to cause chaos.

But some of the things they did, you know, theoretically could have helped Donald Trump.

They're not making the case that these actions did help Donald Trump.

They're saying he was elected with the help of a foreign government.

It's like saying the the Golden State Warriors won the NBA championship with the help of the fan in Section 342, Row W seat 11.

Right?

Like,

yeah, that guy was clapping pretty loud, but that didn't make the difference.

It was Kevin Durant nailing those threes, right?

It's Steph Curry pulling up on a fast break and making shots.

And it had nothing to do with the clapping in Section 342.

And there's no evidence whatsoever.

And again, this goes through the Mueller report.

There's no evidence that this had any effect on what actually occurred in the election.

It's an important thing.

Everyone knows this, I think, with the exception of people on the far left.

I even heard, I mean, I heard James Clapper on CNN yesterday saying, the Mueller report shows that the social media outreach from the Russians reached 123 million people.

Like with this idea that you're supposed to say, wow,

really?

They've reached 123 million people.

That's incredible.

That shows that they swung the election.

That is not what it shows at all.

Every, every, I mean, come on, we all know this.

People, people with picture, with photographic evidence, with non-stop scientific studies over multiple decades don't change their mind on social media.

You think Russian propaganda changed anybody's mind on social media of who to vote for?

And it had nothing to do with whether they changed anybody's mind.

It has to do with that they changed the mind of about 80,000 people in three states.

And

the answer to this is obvious.

you're never going to know for sure.

You're never going to be able to interview every single person and see

all of their

social media interactions and go back and retrace their mindset.

But the bottom line is, it is very difficult to change people's mind on an election like Trump versus Clinton.

There weren't a lot of undecideds there.

It wasn't like, oh, well, you know what?

I really believed in socialized medicine, but wow, this Russian bot just said.

I mean, that doesn't happen.

These are not things that occur.

Later on in the New York Times story,

it's amazing.

Immediately after learning that the special counsel had been appointed to lead the Russia

investigation, the report said Mr.

Trump became distraught and slumped in his chair.

This is

the most prominent piece of the Mueller report.

I'm about to read you both the most prominent piece.

The most widely distributed line in the entire report, and also the most misleading line in the entire report.

Trump said, quote, oh my God, this is terrible.

This is the end of my presidency.

I'm effed.

How many times did you see that yesterday?

It was the headline, and I can all but guarantee you when you read it, if you read it in the mainstream media, it stopped right there.

Right after the big F-bomb, I'm effed.

This is the president admitting he did something wrong.

He's caught.

But that's not the context of it at all.

If read three or four sentences later in the Mueller report, it says this.

The president returned to the consequences of the appointment and said, Everyone tells me if you get one of these independent councils, it ruins your presidency.

It takes years and years, and I won't be able to do anything.

This is the worst thing that ever happened to me.

Now, you may have heard that last line.

This is the worst thing that ever happened to me, but did you hear the lines in between?

Because they're pretty important.

He wasn't saying he was effed because he was caught in this Russian scandal or that he did committed all these crimes.

He was saying

it was going to derail his presidency because it was going to be the only thing he was going to be able to deal with the entire time.

He says, I won't be able to do anything.

He's not going to be able to get his agenda passed.

He's not going to be able to get anything done because he's going to be constantly talking about Russia all the time and dealing with that.

It had nothing to do with him admitting guilt, but that's the way the media portrayed it.

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Glenn, of course, after the really

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I'm not surprised.

He got, quote-unquote, sick.

I'm not surprised at all.

But thankfully, Pat Gray is here to bring some real perspective to the Mueller report because we know Glenn is compromised.

Yeah.

This is the report that never ends.

Remember the song that never ends?

This is the report that never ends.

It's just never going to stop.

And it's interesting to see because

according to the White House and Fox News, everything's fine, totally exonerated.

According to CNN, we're right back on and it's full steam ahead on prosecution of some kind, right?

They think they're on to something again.

Yeah.

Their take on it is Basically, what Mueller did is lay out all the evidence and ask Congress to go after him.

Right.

That's the perspective of the left and the media right now.

Which, stunningly, I keep saying those things as if they're separate.

Though the left and the media,

I kind of group them together because they tend to have the same take every day.

But the left and the media is saying that today.

They're saying, okay, well, look, there's a lot of evidence here.

And what Mueller wanted was Congress to go after him on obstruction because, look, in the past, we've seen impeachment proceedings that have been around obstruction of justice, and this makes lots of sense.

Yeah.

And you're right, it's never going to end.

It's not.

And I think if he were to lose in 2020, I think they're going to, because they can't prosecute him.

They can investigate him.

They can do a lot of things.

They can impeach him, but they can't prosecute him while he's president.

Right.

While he's president of the United States.

If he were to lose in 2020,

I think they'd go after him

after his presidency.

Yeah.

And if he, you know, after 2024, I think they'll go after him.

They're not fans.

No, they're not.

It's kind of

strong statements, dude.

They're not fans.

They're really not.

They're not.

I think you might be right.

I mean,

what was your, I mean,

where do you fall in that?

You're saying the president and Fox News say there's nothing.

The CNN is saying it's everything that we could have wanted and more.

I think there's mostly nothing.

You know, he could have done worse than he did, but he had good people around him that helped him not do worse than he did.

And so he was saved from from himself, I think, on a few occasions.

And so

I think it's mostly as we were told, that there's obviously no collusion and there's no crime here.

And so we should be moving on with our lives.

Let's move on.

But we're not going to because they see some opportunity

for obstruction here.

And I don't think they can make anything of it, but they're going to try.

Well, they're going to try to, at the very least, make it a big campaign issue.

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, for sure.

Because you're going to have, it's going to lead them to additional investigations.

It's going to many, many additional.

And it's going to make it into giant talking points for all 18 of these ridiculous candidates to go out there and say and try to find what place they can be at to be as far to the side of

wanting him impeached or punished or whatever.

They're all going to race to be as hard as possible against Trump because that's obviously just an election ploy.

And I think we could realistically go through this and say, I wish Trump handled many of these situations differently.

I wish he wasn't so focused on the press and how the press would react all the time.

Because that is, I mean, you go through this, all of the problems result from Donald Trump thinking of a particular moment in the context of how the press views it, on how the American people would view it,

almost like it's a giant sporting event that he's trying to win every day instead of just doing the right thing at a particular moment.

I mean, because when you see, and you look in this, and it happens over and over again throughout the Mueller report, when he's faced with actual legal restrictions, he answers everything honestly.

Like, you know, this happened

multiple times.

I've got so many pieces of paper on my desk, but like one of the times he was trying to get,

he had avoided trying to release these

details and papers to the press, and he tried to hide them and

to his, you know, people right around him who were with him, advising him, just get out in front of it.

Just get out in front of it, release them, because they're going to come out anyway.

Why not just get out in front of it?

And he kept trying to protect whatever press image he was trying to maintain instead of just, you know, let the chips fall where they may.

I didn't do anything wrong.

Even when he doesn't do anything wrong, his instinct is to fight with the press, which a lot of times is really fun.

I mean, it's entertaining, and I know it's one of the reasons he got elected.

But I think it's also at times, like, I just feel like he

puts himself into these corners

where he doesn't need to be.

He's his own worst enemy at times.

And

again, yeah, we like the combative nature of him because

who

battles with the media like this from the Republican side, from the right?

Nobody.

Nobody.

Nobody fights back.

Nobody

wins that war until Donald Trump.

And so we appreciate it when he fights that battle and when he gets back in their face.

But, you know, it's to his detriment from time to time.

Yeah.

Here's one example.

This is if you're reading along at home.

A lot of people are keeping a store at home, right?

With the full report in front of them.

Yeah, they have the full report in front of them.

So get to section two.

Okay.

Okay.

That's the obstruction of justice.

Get to page 106.

106.

And then you go to

paragraph 3.

If you could, Pat, just flip over.

Yep, not there.

No, not 2.

Over 2.

3.

3, paragraph 3, yeah.

All right.

The evidence has not established that the president took steps to prevent emails or other information about the June 9th meeting.

This is the famous meeting.

From being provided to

being provided to Congress or the special counsel.

Series of discussions in which the president sought to limit access to the emails and prevent their public release occurred in the context of developing a press strategy.

So that is a huge part of this.

He did things at times to hide these emails, but he wasn't hiding them from investigators.

He was hiding them from the press.

And while you might think, well, that's dishonest, it's also not a crime to hide things from the press.

You can hide anything you want from the press.

And you can tell the press whatever you want.

You can lie to the press all you want.

It's the same thing that protects the press from lying all the time protects you from lying to the press.

You can kind of tell them whatever the hell you want.

Now, that might hurt you in a future criminal investigation, but you can say whatever you want to the press.

The only evidence we have of the president, and this is again from the Mueller Report, again, page 106,

section 2, paragraph 3, if you could.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

The only evidence we have of the president discussing the production of documents to Congress or the special counsel is the conversation of June 29th, 2017.

Hope Hicks recalled the president acknowledged Kushner's attorneys should provide emails related to the June 9th meeting to whomever he needed to give them to.

So the difference between the way he acted with the press and the way he acted in the investigation is the reason why there's no crime here.

Because he at times took evasive steps to screw with the media, to protect himself, to protect his reputation, to protect his family, to do all these things.

But when it came down to the actual investigation, he's like, give him everything.

He didn't redact a lot.

from this.

Barr did not redact a lot from this, but the impression from the media you'd get was Barr was going to redact everything.

They were going to use executive privilege over and over and over and over again.

They didn't use it once.

Amazing.

These were months.

It's amazing.

Pat six months of them telling us this was going to happen, and it just evaporates the moment after they're wrong.

We don't get the, wow, we were wrong.

They didn't, they didn't, they didn't redact anything in here.

I'm surprised.

We don't get those moments.

It's just he's, he's got to do this terrible thing.

He's going to do this terrible thing.

He didn't do it.

Well, look about what about this other terrible thing.

There's never that moment of them saying, okay, yeah, we're sorry about that last six months of coverage.

No, right.

And to watch CNN right now or MSNBC, they're so gleeful in this.

You would think it proved everything they've been saying for the last two years.

Yeah.

They're acting as if they've now been proven right all of a sudden when that is not the case.

No, no.

I mean, you know, you've seen, in fact, several examples in the Mueller Report that disprove previous reporting.

Probably prime among them, the BuzzFeed report about Michael Cohen, That Michael Cohen said

he was told to lie to Congress.

And remember, this is the one time the Mueller report actually stepped out and said, yeah, by the way, that's not in our report.

BuzzFeed stood by that story.

Here's the report.

It's not in the report.

It was that clear.

The other one is the sex tape.

Remember the dossier?

That started all this, right?

Yeah.

Didn't it begin kind of with the dossier?

Sort of.

Seems like it was.

Yeah, I mean, so the dossier fueled the application

for the FISA report

on Carter Page.

It wasn't the only thing in there, though.

And some of the things in the dossier have been shown to be right.

For example, one of the things they brought up in the Carter Page FISA application was he traveled to Russia at one point.

And Trump didn't know that Carter Page did.

And he did travel to Russia at that point.

His argument is, well, it wasn't to do anything.

You know, I was just meeting with business people.

But that was in the report, and that part was true.

But the salacious stuff that came out was

about these sex tapes, right?

Where Trump, during the Miss Universe thing,

he's a billionaire

and he's over there.

He's running this thing with Miss Universe contestants.

What's he doing?

Hooking up with hookers.

He's got hookers everywhere.

And they're doing nasty things.

And I guess we skip the details up on Good Friday.

I think that's maybe a good staff for safety tip.

But this is interesting.

This is a Pat, if you could.

It's section two page 27.

Footnote 112.

If you could join me there for just a moment, if you're scoring at home,

you can get this part.

And who isn't?

I think everybody's scoring at home.

Everyone, yeah.

I did instruct everyone when the show began today to pull out the report and have it ready to flip from page to page.

So this is a footnote 112, of course.

Comey's briefing included the steel reporting's unverified allegation that the Russians had compromising tapes of the president involving conduct when he was a private citizen during a 2013 trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, a similar claim may have reached candidate Trump.

But on October.

No, I'm still on the same page.

I think you just followed the page.

I'm sorry, I'm still on the same page.

I didn't think you'd see that.

I did.

I just noticed it.

I was like, why is he following the page?

We're still on page 27 football 112.

I thought you were.

Was I losing you there or something?

No, no, no.

I want to make sure.

So on October 30th, 2016, Michael Cohen received a text from a Russian businessman

and they give the name, but it's nothing but T, S's, and K's.

So I'm not going to attempt.

I mean, the first four letters are R T S K.

You can't put those four letters next to each other.

That's not, I don't know what language that is.

In fact, I do, but I just don't think that should be a language if you attempt that.

So this Russian businessman texts Michael Cohen and says he stopped the flow of tapes from Russia, but he's not sure if there's anything else, just so you know.

So that kind of indicates, wait a minute.

I mean, here he is.

This is a guy saying there might be tapes in Russia.

If you keep reading, however, it gives you detail that's pretty important.

The Russian businessman said the tapes were referring to the compromising tapes of Trump rumored to be held by persons associated with Russian real estate conglomerate,

which had helped in the Miss Universe pageant.

Cohen said he spoke to Trump about the issue after receiving the text from this Russian businessman.

You have turned the page now.

We're on a different page.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Yes, we're on now on page 28.

Continuing, however, the same footnote, 112, if you're scoring at home.

So the Russian businessman sends this text, says I've stopped these tapes.

Cohen gets the message.

They interview the Russian businessman.

He says he was told the tapes were fake, but did not communicate that to Cohen.

So even the Russians knew

that these tapes were fake.

I mean, that's a pretty big deal, and I have not heard anybody mention it.

But the people, even the Russians Russians who were trying to use this for influence, even they knew they were taped, yet it's a fake, yet it still made it to our media.

It was still covered by everybody here.

Even the

sources knew this wasn't true.

Amazing.

And there it is in the Mueller Report.

Did you have any subsections you wanted to check before we get on to the next any footnotes?

What page should I flip to?

You know what?

I think I'll save my subsections for Monday.

Oh, okay.

And for the big future.

Yeah.

Give people a chance to catch up.

All right.

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It is now federal law as well to listen.

Is it really?

That was passed.

Trump signed that.

He did sign it, and he's federal law.

Wow, fast-track that one.

Yeah, I see that.

All right, Pat Gray.

Thank you very much.

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the one person who occasionally

changes up one word.

Like they're just the scripts have been handed to them.

Like, I can't do that.

I can't do this joke.

I've got to mix it up a little bit.

As for Conan O'Brien, he does those every once in a while.

And those are all legitimate local news stories from the same couple of days doing the exact same joke.

It's amazing how that stuff happens.

And he seems to find those over and over again.

It's incredible.

I mean, we know groupthink is a thing in the media.

We know that that's true.

But how does the Mueller report actually affect the political situation that we're looking at right now?

Because we can all sit here and look at this and say, well, I think he's guilty and I think he's innocent.

But the bigger question is, how does this play on a wider scale?

There's basically three groups of people here.

You've got people

who love Donald Trump and aren't going to change their mind no matter what.

I mean, you could, the mother report could say, we interviewed Melania Trump.

Melania said that Trump and Putin held puppy clubbing parties on alternate Thursdays for the past three years.

She actually was there at them.

She saw them, she witnessed them, and she videoed them.

So here's the video, and you can see Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump clubbing puppies over and over again.

We have it right there.

In fact, Melania said in the middle of the interview, she interrupted and she said, you know what?

One's going on right now in the Oval Office.

And she walked the interviewer down the hall into the Oval Office.

And Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin were wearing diapers and clubbing puppies.

I don't know where the diapers thing came in.

It just seemed like that was going to be part of it.

If that was in there and Melania then went on TV and said, yes, I said those things.

And here's the video I'm showing you right now.

There is a percentage of the population that would be like, ah, you know what?

I think Trump didn't do that.

I don't think there's any evidence and it's a hoax, right?

There is that part of the population.

I doubt that's you as a listener.

But there's the other side of this, and you know.

that this is true as well.

If the Mueller report said that we found there was absolutely no collusion whatsoever.

In fact, there was no contact between the Trump administration and the Russians.

And by the way, Trump has no knowledge of the country of Russia.

He's never heard of it.

We quizzed him over and over again.

We were able to get into the genetics of his mind, and we were able to see the electrical pulses and realize through an MRI that he has no knowledge of the country in Russia.

In fact, incredibly, Donald Trump has never seen Rocky IV.

He has no knowledge of Ivan Drago.

He has no knowledge of the entire plot line.

In fact, he was personally responsible, and we did not know this until the Mueller report.

He was personally responsible for tearing down the Berlin Wall.

That's how against the Soviet Union and Russia that Donald Trump is.

There is a percentage of this population that would still say, you know what?

He's guilty.

I know he's guilty of collusion.

I know it.

There's plenty of people on Twitter you're going to find that have blue check marks next to that name that fine fall into that category.

And And then there's this other category, and I feel like a lot of times we think these people don't exist.

They are widely represented in this audience, which are people who actually wanted to see what the truth was on something like this.

They certainly, as I do, suspect that there are political sort of motivations behind a lot of this to try to get out a Republican president.

But if Donald Trump really did do something wrong, I would want to know about it.

And I know the audience would want to know about it.

I know you'd want to know about it.

You're driving to your car, you're trying to do your job,

you're trying to make a living, the economy's good, you like a lot of things that are going on right now.

But if the president of the United States really was engaging in this sort of behavior, you'd want to know about it.

And those people are not, they're the persuadables at some level.

Even if you have a leaning, you're at least persuadable.

You're open to hearing the facts.

You're open to call balls and strikes.

You know, there's a right now, Donald Trump, 51% of the American people approve of Donald Trump's handling of the economy.

And you could say you think that should be higher.

You can say you think that should be lower.

But Donald Trump, if you look at the way he's portrayed on media,

on the media, you'd say, no way he's got a positive portrayal there.

But people realize that the economy is good.

Those same people, when asked, because I think he's plus eight on the economy, he's minus 15 on tariffs.

The same people.

The same questions, they ask them, hey, do you approve of him on the economy?

Yes.

Do you approve of the way he's handled tariffs in the trade war?

No.

There's a chunk there.

What is it, 10, 15, 20% in the middle, not in the middle politically, but in the middle of

engagement, right?

People who are there reading this stuff every day and actually care and can say their side does things wrong sometimes and the other side does things wrong sometimes.

And I want to know what the truth is.

And those people actually do exist.

And that is the question as to how this is going to be handled.

You look at this report and of course the media is going to blow it out of proportion and be crazy.

We know that's going to happen, and they are doing that.

But when you look at the obstruction section, which is section two, if you're scoring at home, if you flip to page 147,

one thing you'll notice is all of the problems that Trump could have out of this.

First of all, they're not criminal.

They're not.

There are some nuanced explanations as to why they're not.

There are things you'll hear in the media, people saying, well, he would have been convicted if, well, if didn't happen, if isn't reality.

We are in reality.

He's not convicted of these things.

He did not do anything that rose to the level of

Mueller recommending, not even convicting him, but recommending that people go after him.

He didn't do that.

But not everything there is wonderful.

And all of the problems that Trump has there are largely self-created and they all flow from the same issue.

The issues that have

Trump's problems kind of associated with them, they constantly surround Trump's, I'd say, unfortunate and unnecessary view that the press issue of the day is his highest priority.

And

there are more important things than that.

And I swear that if Trump was instead focusing on things he could get done and things that

could actually improve his own standing when it comes to policy rather than whatever the media is saying about him on a given day, things would not only be better for the country, but better for him.

In a way, it allows the media to control his narrative.

And one of the things we like about Trump, I think, as people who are friendly to conservatism generally,

one of the reasons he got elected was because he's fighting back.

People like that he's fighting back.

And that is, generally speaking, I think a good instinct.

You don't want someone who's going to sit there and get his teeth kicked in over and over and over again.

But there's a limit here to this.

And, you know, there's been so much fighting about the Mueller report all of this time.

It honestly could have been avoided all of this time until we actually got the information.

Well, now we have the report, we can talk about it or whatever.

We can go down those roads if we must.

But Trump loves that.

He loves fighting with the press and he views it as a day-to-day sport.

It's the slog of summer baseball.

Every day there's a new game.

Every day you got to worry about what the result of that game is.

And every day, Trump, I think unfortunately, makes choices based on what wins that day instead of what long term.

There are times in here where he is, I mean, blatantly caught saying things that are untrue.

However, over and over and over and over again, when asked to comply with investigators, he tells the truth.

He turns over the documents.

He acts accordingly

as to how how he should.

But he treats the media and the general narrative as a completely different animal.

He'll say whatever he has to do to get through the day to the media.

And that instinct at times works.

It serves him well.

I don't like it, but at times it does work.

At other times, this sort of stuff happens.

And so now you have situations where

because he was,

he did things

that helped him get through the day of media, it winds up burning him later.

And now he's got to deal with this because this is never going to end.

Again, in the Mueller report, it over and over says when faced with Congress, like as far as turning over

documents to Congress, he complied to those things.

He didn't use executive privilege in an excessive way.

They didn't redact too much of the report.

They didn't do all the things that were predicted that he was going to do.

But instead of just coming out, and he's advised over and over again by people close to him.

I'll give you a good example, the letter or the statement from Donald Trump Jr.

that Donald Trump kind of helped craft about the meeting in Trump Tower.

He was advised by people close to him, very smart people who come off great in these reports and still have very good relationships with Donald Trump.

You know, people very close to him, like Hope Hicks and others.

Just get out in front of this.

Like this email is going to come out.

Release it.

Just release it.

You get out in front of it.

You control this.

Just come out and be honest about it.

Look, someone said they might have some things that might help us in the election.

We didn't know who they were.

They came into the office.

They didn't have anything.

It was over.

It was nothing.

Instead, they tried to manipulate it to make it sound like it was primarily about, in fact, the initial wording was, it was about adoption, which was only a small part of the meeting.

And then they wind up getting in trouble for it later.

And that trouble was unnecessary.

It didn't help them.

And in the long term, it winds up hurting.

And so I think that instinct is something that the president, because he loves that media battle so much, gets caught up in.

It's an emotional thing, and it's honestly understandable.

I mean, Barr listed the sort of explanations for some of this behavior.

He said he was in the middle of an unprecedented situation.

He was under mass news media examination.

He was frustrated.

He was angry.

He was annoyed at the illegal leaks.

And he had non-corrupt motives in all of these things.

And I think all of those are completely true.

And I think all of us would be in the same situation.

All of those same emotions would hit us.

But

there were people around him that stopped some of this.

And in other places, he stopped himself.

And in those circumstances, he's much better off.

The ones where he just let himself go with it and just fire away, at times the problems were caused there.

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So there's been some big things.

I think you were the first person I heard talk about the context.

of the biggest quote that was involved and has been proliferated from the Mueller report.

I think we should hit that again because that's a huge one.

Everyone's seeing this on social media.

Give me this context.

I think that was the only media reaction that I saw the entire day.

Yeah.

Because when it came out, I was on with you and then it came out and I just ran out of here, like huffing and puffing to try and start reading on this bad boy.

Yeah, you should probably jog a little bit more just to get in shape.

Right, I know.

Big time.

But yeah, so like I really quickly, with it, like, I don't know, I was like in 200 pages deep into this bad boy and I was like, I was really quick.

I'm going to check the Twitter reaction.

And that was the first quote that I saw.

It was everywhere.

Everywhere.

And it still is everywhere.

And it's constantly in headlines without the context.

Yeah.

And so if you actually, so if you read that one line, you're like, okay, it sounds like he's saying, crap, I'm guilty.

Yeah, here it is the line.

Oh my God, this is terrible.

This is the end of my presidency.

I'm effed.

And you might also have heard this.

This is the worst thing that's ever happened to me.

In between those two lines, however,

belies, I think, the real meaning of what he was talking about.

Yeah, and so he follows up with that.

If you read, like you said, a couple lines later, everyone tells me if you get one of these independent councils, it ruins your presidency.

It takes years and years, and I won't be able to do anything.

He was worried about his agenda.

That's what he was worried about.

And his presidency.

Like, I want to get some things done.

So if you read the entire context, he actually looks like he's incredibly innocent on this.

He's not worried about collusion.

He's not worried about the Russians.

He's not about his agenda.

He's not saying Mueller's going to find him having the puppy clubbing party with Vladimir Putin.

He's worried about, I'm not going to be able to, you know, get rid of Obamacare.

I'm not going to be ready to stop the stuff at the border.

He knows that an independent council can derail a presidency.

And that's what he was saying when he was saying, this is the end of my presidency.

I'm effed.

He knew he was going to be having to deal with this for a couple of years.

And you got to say, pretty prescient on that one.

Right.

And, but that really, I mean, the more and more you read this,

if you go through a lot of the obstruction cases, that was pretty much what I found is every time, like, so the special counsel was looking at, I thought it was kind of funny.

They were like, this is one of the hardest, basically they're in so many words.

This is one of the hardest obstruction cases we've ever had to investigate.

And their direct quote was, action and intent make it difficult, to say the least.

Because every time he would do something, they were like, well, it could be because he wants to impede the election, but then he would say this to somebody else.

So the actions and what, you know, the reasoning behind it, the intent never, never matched up.

And, but again, that's not really something that, you know, we're reading from, you know, depending on where you get your news, you know, you're not getting that from the media at all.

Yeah, you're, you're just getting because, oh, well, like, what's the big thing now?

It's like, oh, well, you know, happy people, you know, don't react this way, you know, or what this is.

It's so ridiculous.

So ridiculous.

So ridiculous.

The media, and I heard this this morning, that seven of the ten things that they talk about that were problematic, that Mueller doesn't even say hit the three parts of obstruction of justice that you need to hit.

There are three different hurdles you need to clear.

And seven of the ten

did not clear those hurdles.

The other three they leave open, right?

So we're talking about a very small, you know, it's the McGann firing was one of them.

There's a couple of them there.

And that one was kind of interesting, too, because there is this,

that one is interesting in that like Trump,

For a guy who is most famous for saying you're fired, or at least was before he was president, He's probably most famous for being president now, but he's most famous for saying you're fired, right?

That was his gig.

And he is not a confrontational guy.

He does not like firing people himself.

So he keeps trying to call other people to get people fired, and those people kept just not doing it.

Right.

I mean, it's an amazing picture of what goes on behind the scenes of a White House.

Yeah, and it's to the credit of the people around him, actually, at the time that were like, whoa, you can't do this.

And this is very, very characteristic of, you know, someone that is an outsider, you know, that doesn't really know how things work.

He's he's just going off of kind of like how you know the appearance of it i i loved the one actually where he called in lewandowski uh to kind of change the scope of everything and then lewandowski's i ain't gonna do this so he just like pawns it off on uh on brick dearborn and dorn's like i don't want you to it i ain't doing this and so eventually they both decide just to not do anything and so which which worked out into the president's favor there you go

all right jason buttrell thank you very much we have uh

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It's Good Friday.

Today, we're going on a journey.

They say that time itself does not exist as we know it,

as we understand it.

It only really exists as something called space-time.

It's really only a point on a giant map.

Something that we can use to find out where we are, where we've been, or where we're going.

So let's unfold space-time and trace our way back.

First, maybe just a couple of years.

Tonight, I can report to the American people and to the world.

The United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama bin Laden, leader of al-Qaeda.

On my order, the United States military has begun strike against Al-Qaeda terrorist training camps.

People who knocked these buildings down

will hear all of us soon.

Now back even further.

Princess Diana died around the world.

I did not have this vast right-wing conspiracy.

Now, he is O.J.

Simpson.

He is armed with a gun.

Mr.

Gorbachev jumped

down outside of his apartment.

Elvis Presley died today.

Well, I'm not a crook.

I burned earned everything I've got.

Because of what has happened in Munich during the past 40 years, eight or nine terrified living human beings are being held prisoners.

The second shot, the third total shot, hit the president's head.

Ladies and gentlemen, the meagles!

Dr.

Martin Luther King has been shot to death in Memphis a short time ago.

An American aeroplane dropped one time on Hiroshima.

Allied naval forces, supported by strong air forces, began landing allied armies this morning on the northern coast of France.

December 7th

1941

a date which will live in infamy.

Back farther still even before Marconi when the air was silent

back past the signing of the Declaration of Independence, past the age of enlightenment, before Martin Luther hung his protest on the church doors, before Columbus rediscovered the fact that the world was round.

We go past Newton, Galileo, the Dark Ages, the Crusades, back to a time before books, when most of the world couldn't read or write, and history was oral.

We leave this world now, where we can hear and see a lone protester standing in front of a tank in a country on the other side of the planet and we can see it live to a world seemingly simple yet brutal beyond our understanding where news was spread from mouth to mouth.

We stop here

at approximately 29 of the Common Era.

We stop at a small walled city in the Middle East.

It's around 10 o'clock at night, just a couple of days before Passover.

The meals are being prepared, the night's meal had already been eaten, and most in the city are asleep.

One man, however, is not.

It's strange.

He's younger than I am.

He's about 30.

He's awake and alone in a garden.

His friends who have been with him for several years are just a few yards away.

They slumber underneath the star-filled sky.

They still don't know that even though they sleep, the world is about to wake.

Eleven of twelve men sleep beside a hill.

One man, awake.

He couldn't sleep, for

he knew.

He was in a garden.

in prayer, praying so hard about what he knew was about to come, praying so hard that blood actually dripped from his pores in a place of sweat.

Back at the hill, when he returned, he begged his friends to wake and pray with him.

They didn't know how serious his request really was.

They had no idea what was just to come.

He pleaded with his friends, why will you not rise and pray with me?

He asked this again before returning to the garden alone.

He knelt there on rocky soil, his hands clasped, his head bowed.

Twilight dew draped his neck, the horizon still and black.

He prayed.

He prayed even harder, for the sky would eventually turn purple than light blue, and he knew what awaited him.

Back to the hill once more, his friends asleep.

He begged his friends, rise, rise, rise and pray with me.

I need you now more than ever.

They said they would, but shortly after he left, they fell asleep again.

The dawn was even closer, and he knew his time was running out.

Now over the hill, they marched like flowing lava burning in the night's solace.

The 11 are surely awake now.

They have sworn their faith to him.

But he knows, he knew this wasn't true.

They'll weaken, and he'll be forsaken.

Forsaken by the same men who just swore their undying devotion.

The torchlights grow brighter, the hourglass running low.

The clanging of the metal swords and spears, the sound and the vibration of the march deep down from their feet to their spine, creating a shallow vibration, leaving them quivering.

The soldiers approach.

The one is grabbed and kissed.

Betrayed with a kiss.

A kiss wearing the mask of loyalty.

One of the men leaps forward, draws his sword, cutting the ear off one of the soldiers.

He raises his hand.

No,

peace.

Take me now in peace.

For this is my purpose.

This is my being.

This is the reason I came.

Now, one of them, Peter, strays.

While his friend is being persecuted for crimes he didn't commit, he stands by a fire, denying any relationship he has as he tries to blend in with the common people.

A woman approaches.

Didn't I see you with him?

Peter says, Surely I don't know him, but you're from Galilee.

For the third time, Peter says, I do not know this man.

Now Jesus is pulled back and forth between the two who will determine his fate.

They can't see any crime, but they still question, scourge, and mock him.

Aren't you the king?

Silence.

Then here is your crown, says one as they give him a crown of thorns and press it into his head.

He stands before the judge, who could condemn him for no crime, but it is Passover.

He says to the crowd, you, you can choose.

One I will release, him as the king of the Jews, or.

Jesus, standing silent, his eyes to the ground, is condemned to death.

Jesus now carries his cross through the stone-clad streets to the place known as the skull, the place where he will soon die.

His back torn, his head bleeding beneath his thorny crown.

The women cry out loud as he passes.

He pauses for a moment and comforts them.

Do not weep for me.

Rather, weep for yourselves.

His mother looks on as huge nails are driven through his hands and his feet.

They raise the cross and slam it into the ground.

It is at this point that all four writers of the gospel struggled with a description of the crucifixion as I have.

They described with the only words that I could use.

And

they crucified him.

He now hung on the cross as the soldiers bid lots on his clothing below.

Next to him, two criminals hang, but they are simply tied to the cross.

One of them says, You're the son of God.

Save us now.

Save all of us.

The man in the middle does nothing,

for he had a purpose.

The afternoon passes.

His skin stretched.

He wept.

He begged for water, and they gave him a sponge on a reed filled with vinegar.

In a moment, where he showed us that he was truly human, he cried out and said, My father,

my father, why have you forsaken me?

The sky began to grow dark.

It was approaching three o'clock on a Friday afternoon

when Jesus, the carpenter from Nazareth, spoke once more

and only once.

His last words,

it

is finished.

So today,

people all over the world

do as I do now.

I thank that lone carpenter for dying.

Dying on that Friday afternoon.

So I

may live.

That's available up at Glennbeck.com, and it will be at least later today.

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We'll get to that, of course, on Monday.

But I wanted to tell you, I saw Breakthrough last night, that movie.

It's out this weekend in theaters.

It's a great, like, uplifting, spiritual movie to see on Easter weekend.

I definitely recommend it.

And it's one of these, now they have like, you know, it's a Christian sort of movie.

It's definitely a faith movie,

but it has actual actors and actresses you recognize, which is not easy to do.

We actually talked to one of the real people behind this.

This is a story about a kid, 14 years old, falls through ice in the winter in a pond and stays underwater for a long time.

time.

And it was without a pulse for a long time.

And we talked to the real kid who, spoiler alert, is alive um it's kind of the point of the movie we talked to him his name is john smith and his pastor uh just a couple of weeks weekends uh ago listen to this i remember you know like what the ice kind of breaking i remember that and you know the screams you know fighting you call 911 i don't want to die call 911 and then you know the water you know the like the water line you know seeing above and below how dirty and brown and green and murky that water was you know it was like getting in a fight with a tiger you know the ice just piercing your skin i still have scars to this day so i do remember a very, very good chunk of it.

We also prayed that he wouldn't remember because it was so traumatic.

And so, that's one thing he talks about when he was, because people always ask us, Did you go to heaven?

And, you know, whatever.

And we have prayed that he wouldn't remember it because it was so traumatic.

I like I have the 911 calls on my laptop, and I mean, I can barely listen to them.

I mean, they're just so intense.

And we felt like what God said is, it's not about one person experiencing me, it's about every person that comes in contact with this story experiencing me.

And so, that's why we feel like God did it that way.

So you were, were you, how long were you underwater?

I was underwater for 15 minutes and without an a pulse for additional 45.

So a little over an hour without a pulse.

And so you're there and in the movie at least, the fireman that is responding.

Yes.

He goes underneath the water and he can't find you.

And then he

says later in the movie that, you know, he heard a voice say, go back down one more time.

Is that true?

Yes.

Tell me about him.

Tell me about what happened.

So his name is Tommy Schein.

He's part of the Winsville Fire Department back home in St.

Louis, Missouri.

And

he got the call, and they said when he got the call, he sprinted as soon as the truck stopped.

Like the stuck, the truck hadn't even stopped, and he was running to the scene.

And he gets out in the water, and he has a pike pole, which pike pulls a long pole with a big hook at the end.

You should tear a drywall down in a fire.

And by now, I'd been underwater for like three minutes.

So it's crucial now.

He's timing it.

I mean, it's do or die.

They actually called the dive team in if he couldn't have found me because I was laying on a cliff.

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If I would have went a little bit, maybe an inch over, I would have fallen into where it was 20, you know, to 25 feet deep with a muddy bottom.

So I'm right on the edge of, you know, this cliff.

And so he gets in the water and he's looking for me and he has this pipe pole and it's, it's do or die.

And he hears a voice, you know, and in real, in the movie, it says go back, but what he's told us is go two feet to the left and he does you know he's checking he just sticks it down he's like i got to do something so he sticks it down he's like it could be a tire it could be my boot but he realizes it can't be his boot because it's too deep so he pulls something up he knows it's heavy but he doesn't know what it is and it's me he found me

right at the last minute i mean

we're gonna wander on time here so we can uh drop the clip but it It is, it's an amazing story.

It really is a miracle.

It really is.

And it's also a miracle they found a child actor who could actually act in one of these movies i mean they could even do that for star wars episodes i mean the kids playing basketball it looks like he's actually played basketball before it's incredible uh check it out this weekend it's breakthrough in theaters everywhere

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If you're like me and you're reading their Mueller report and you're trying to get through it, and you're not a lawyer,

you may not understand all of it.

We decided to bring on someone who is actually smart to help us decipher what actually was in the Mueller report, what it means, what's going to happen next, and maybe the biggest mistake or the

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It was the wrong focus and the wrong outcome from the Mueller report.

And Andy McCarthy, he's from National Review and the New York Post, read a great column on this.

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Andy, welcome to the program.

Stu, great to be with you.

How are you?

Really well, really well.

You had an interesting perspective here, and I think it's different than everyone else I've read so far on this case.

So far, let's kind of start at the beginning before we get into

the specifics of the legal case here.

Kind of the two positions you see thrown about is basically the Mueller report came out and it proves he did everything wrong,

and the Mueller report came out and it proves that Trump did nothing wrong.

So

right off the start, where where do you fall in that little range?

Well, maybe it's because I was a prosecutor for a long time.

I

think that it's always a mistake

when we read

either like a social phenomenon or a political phenomenon as a legal problem to be resolved by a prosecutor.

Because

if that's what you're going to impose on, a prosecutor has basically one of two decisions to make.

There's either enough evidence to charge or there's not.

And when you decide that there's not, that doesn't mean that somebody's been exonerated.

It might.

You know, sometimes you do an investigation and you find not only that the person you were investigating didn't do it, but that somebody else did.

So you know to a certainty that the person is not guilty, right?

And then there's other times when you don't charge because you know in your bones that the guy did it, but you just can't prove it.

You don't have enough evidence.

So you never, prosecutors, unlike Mueller's report, which I regard in this way as more of

a spin document than a prosecutor's document, prosecutors never say things like we won't exonerate him or we don't exonerate him.

You either charge or you don't charge, and everything else is gray area.

So

I wouldn't run with a prosecutor saying, I didn't find enough evidence to indict.

I wouldn't run from that and say, I've I've been exonerated.

And when you look at what's in the reports, too, I don't know, you know, a lot of that is pretty unsavory behavior.

Now, none of it's been proved,

and it's really against the normal protocols of the Justice Department and prosecutors' offices at every level to publish the information about somebody that you don't charge because

The rule of the road is if the government's going to charge someone or the government's going to accuse someone of wrongdoing, you have to do it formally so that the person then has the full array of protections that you get under the Constitution to defend yourself.

So when the prosecutor goes out and says, here's all the terrible things I know that he did, oh, and by the way, we're not going to charge him, you've really smeared the person and not given them any opportunity to defend themselves.

And that's not normally what's done.

It was done here.

I guess politically this report had to come out because there was no alternative.

But I don't think it, you know, I think if

you're Trump, you want to say thank you and move on.

I wouldn't be running around saying I've been exonerated because there's some icky stuff in there.

Yeah, and you get into some of that in your column for the New York Post.

It's titled Mueller Completely Dropped the Ball with the Obstruction Punt.

And I want to get into how he dropped the ball.

You mentioned

Trump's interactions, first of all, on the negative side with things like the McGann situation where he

tried to get him fired and then even went beyond that to try to convince him to lie about that he had called him to fire.

He tried to get Mueller fired.

Yes.

You have that.

And you also have

some interesting perspective on the other side of this because, and I think this ties to the most prominent thing that's come out of this as far as the media goes, which is this statement that Trump makes at one point where he says, this is the end of my presidency.

I'm effed now that there's a council.

And you point out that the president's frustration wasn't over over fear of guilt.

That is a really important part of this.

And I feel like most people have completely ignored it.

In fact, cutting that out of the quote that has been proliferated so widely.

Yeah, well, you know, it's funny with obstruction cases, you hear a lot

in the commentary that

if you have an obstruction, that you can't have an obstruction case unless there's an underlying crime, right?

We've heard that again and again for the last few days.

And that's, you know, with due respect to some of the people peddling that, it's just wrong.

You know, the classic example is

Bill Clinton, right?

He didn't lie about what went on in the Oval Office because it was a crime.

He lied about it because it would have been embarrassing and politically devastating for it to come out.

So people lie for all kinds of reasons.

But in certain factual contexts, it is true that if there's no underlying crime, then there doesn't really make much sense for why you would want to obstruct the investigation.

And this, I think, was one of those situations.

And what Trump was concerned about here

was not that he would be found to be involved in an espionage conspiracy with Russia involving hacking of Democratic email accounts.

I think he was obviously pretty confident that that hadn't happened.

But he was concerned about being portrayed as an agent of the Kremlin and about the fact that

when you have a president who's under a cloud of suspicion, it becomes very hard to govern.

It becomes hard to recruit good people into the government.

Who wants to go work for an administration?

You're going to have to lawyer up the next week.

It's pretty expensive stuff.

So he's compromised in trying to assemble administration.

He's compromised in dealing with Congress, foreign governments, you know, you name it.

And it's very frustrating.

And we all know, I mean, the Lawrence Walsh investigation, that thing went on for about eight years, you know, so we didn't know when this started that Mueller, I think to his credit, was going to wrap it up in 22 months.

And I don't know that, because a lot of people, first of all, have been complaining that it was too long.

I mean,

it's not long for one of these investigations, is it?

I mean,

these special counsel, special

prosecutor sort of investigations go on a lot longer than this sometimes.

Yeah, you know what it is, though, Stu?

While it's going on, it always seems longer, and it's more vicious now than it ever was before.

I mean, the you know, the stuff that gets said, I ha you know, I have to say, I've been a prose I was a prosecutor for 20 years

beginning in the 80s.

And, you know, the media was a there was a certain tenor in the media and there was a certain tenor in public discourse, and it can get it could get nasty.

But I n you I never have witnessed it as sort of cavalierly vicious as it is now.

And I think the result of that is everything seems like it takes longer because you just want it to be over.

Everything seems like it takes longer than it actually does.

So as you compare Mueller's investigation to other independent counsel investigations, I think he wrapped it up pretty quickly.

I still think he should have, since it was, it had to have been clear to him, I think, by probably autumn of 2017 that there was no collusion case.

And I think he would have gotten a lot less bad behavior from Trump if they had just put out an interim report at the end of 2017 and said, you know, look, this steel dossier, we've looked at it.

We can't corroborate it.

We don't really have anything else that indicates there's this dark conspiracy.

So we're going to let you know that the president is not a suspect in a collusion conspiracy case with Russia, but we're going to continue to investigate Russia's interference in the election.

I think he would have gotten a lot less bad behavior from Trump.

That's not to say that Trump has any excuse for behaving badly, but

I think you would have given him less of a motive to be a jerk.

Yeah, and probably a lot more goodwill from the American people, too.

I think that it wound up dragging on to most people for so long, and it wound up, I think, just frustrating people.

I know that when this thing came out, I was like, oh, finally, this is going to be over.

And you realize it's not even close to over.

This is going to go on forever.

It is.

You know, so let me take a quick 60-second break here, Andy, and come back with you.

And I want to get to the part where the biggest way that Mueller dropped the ball on this, this is a fascinating way of looking at this.

And it really is changing something fundamental that I think is not only changing in this particular report, but it's changing across our society.

We get to that in 60 seconds.

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Speaking with Andy McCarthy from National Review and New York Post, he's got a great column.

Mueller completely dropped the ball with the obstruction punt.

And Andy, if I understand this right, and I'm sure I don't, there are three hurdles essentially you have to clear to make an obstruction claim real, which is an obstructive act, the nexus to an official proceeding, and the intent.

Do you have to clear all three of those hurdles for a claim to qualify?

Yes, those are what you would call in the prosecutor biz, essential elements of the crime, and they're the things that have to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt to convict someone.

So, two of them are pretty self-explanatory.

Obstructive act, you got to do something that looks like obstruction, and you got to have the intent to do it to obstruct something.

Can you do a quick minute on what do they mean by nexus to an official proceeding?

Yeah, it's actually pretty complicated.

In the law,

an FBI investigation is not an official proceeding.

Official proceeding is like an adjudicative matter.

The most common one is a court proceeding.

And that's why we always mention, we talk about we don't just say obstruction, we say obstruction of justice, right?

The reason we say that is we're talking about judicial proceedings.

So the reason that when you obstruct an FBI investigation, it can be obstruction of justice is because derivatively you pervert the judicial process down the road.

If you

pressure a witness to lie or you destroy evidence before the Bureau, the FBI

can grab it.

It's not that you're perverting their proceeding.

That's not what's cognizable under the law.

It's that the eventual judicial proceeding can be frustrating.

That's why it's obstruction of justice.

And it seems like throughout the Mueller report, they didn't get there on all three, on most of these instances.

There's a couple they seem to leave open.

But this doesn't get to the real fundamental, biggest problem here that you point out in the column.

And it has to do with burden of proof.

A real change that I think is not only happening here, but happening all over the place.

Can you walk us through what you found?

Yeah, you're right about it's happening all over the place.

I mean, just listening to Jerry Nadler's,

the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee yesterday, this is what he homed in on two,

and

in a way that

suggested that this was proper, which is that it was somehow

the suspect's burden to prove that he is innocent rather than the government's burden to prove that you're guilty.

What Mueller did was

he marshalled what he tells us up front, which I think was really wormy on his part,

is that he's not going to make what he called a traditional prosecutorial judgment, which he says, you know, so quaint.

He says that's a you know, this binary judgment where you either charge or you don't charge.

So he's going to do something new and innovative.

He's going to lay out the evidence on both sides and then dump the matter in the Justice Department's lap.

And, you know, I thought

that was really

a dereliction on his part because

he was by the time he came into the case, I think it was already pretty clear there was no collusion case.

I didn't think we needed a special counsel, but you can only have a special counsel when the Justice Department is conflicted.

And obstruction is the only thing, arguably, you needed him to resolve.

So what did he do?

He didn't resolve the main question he was brought in to resolve, and he dumps it in the lap of the Justice Department, which is supposed to be too conflicted to decide it, which is why we have him in the first place, right?

The whole thing is just

wrongheaded.

But what he does is he says, I'm just going to marshal the evidence on each side, and then at the very end, in what I think is a really,

I want to say partisan,

but it's certainly not prosecutorial use of language.

He says that

we're not confident that there's no crime here.

We're not going to charge a crime, but we're not confident that there's no crime and we're not going to exonerate the President.

Well, you know, that's not what prosecutors do.

Prosecutors either tell you there is enough evidence to charge, in which case you charge, or you, at the most, say we're not going to charge, or you say nothing.

But if you've basically made a decision not to charge,

then

you have no business going on to say, but that's not an exoneration.

It's for the public to decide whether it's an exoneration or not.

That's not the prosecutor's business.

But by doing that, what he does is he says,

we're not confident that there wasn't a crime here.

And it's his job to prove that there was a crime.

It's not President Trump's, no matter what you think of President Trump, it's not his job in a legal context.

Now, political context is different, but it's not his job in a legal context to prove his innocence.

And I think you're quite right to say that this is something that we see seeping into

the society more broadly.

This is not just about President Trump.

There's kind of a conceit out there that

the government can now make serious allegations, whether it's in a regulatory context or whatever context they decide to make it in, and then it's somehow the burden on the citizen to prove that he's not guilty of wrongdoing.

And I think that's a dangerous road to go down.

Yeah.

I mean, certainly you see it all the time in the court of public opinion, which I know is different, but it's sort of this Kavanaugh standard where it's like, well, we can't prove he wasn't at this party that we can't name where it was.

So therefore, you should probably assume he's guilty.

And Trump here, I think, really is the victim of this at some level.

I do.

kind of wonder though, Andy, how does this work?

Let's just say Mueller does his job correctly.

Did he do his job correctly?

Let's say, on part one, which was the actual collusion, where he pretty much exonerates him of any criminal activity there?

Is that what he should have done with part two?

And leave all that evidence in there, and then at the end just conclude we did not have enough to charge him, therefore

he is clear of this particular crime?

Or does he just not release all of this detail for everyone to have their political fun with?

Yeah, see,

there's a limit, I think, to how much I'm not a fan of the investigation.

I'm not a particular fan of Mueller, although I think he's a scrupulous guy, notwithstanding what I've said up till this point.

Well, no, I mean, I think in general, he's had an admirable career.

I don't agree with the way he handled this.

We have about 30 seconds here, Andy, real quick.

Yeah, the idea still is you're supposed to give a confidential report to the Justice Department, and then they decide how much of it to release.

But this certainly reads like it was meant for release, and I think it's meant as a roadmap for Congress more than for the Justice Department.

Andy McCarthy, the column is in the New York Post.

Mueller completely dropped the ball with the obstruction punt.

Thanks so much for coming on, Andy.

I appreciate it.

You can always count on

Andy because there's so many people now that are just like, okay, well, this is my side of the aisle, and I'm just going to say exactly what they want to say or the opposite.

You can always trust Andy McCarthy to come out and say, hey, this is the actual truth here.

And that's why I love having him on on this sort of stuff.

And he's investigated some of the biggest crimes and one of the biggest prosecutors in America for many, many years.

Andy McCarthy.

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We have still more on Mueller to go, and

a crazy story you're not going to believe.

It's Duin for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.

He's out six, should be back Monday, unless the Mueller report gets him.

We don't know on that one.

USA Today has an interesting story, and I swear

this is the thing that we keep forgetting about the Mueller Report.

And I am going to be really super happy if we can get to a point in which we're not talking about the Mueller report, although I believe it's going to dominate our lives for many, many years to come, unfortunately.

But there's this story about if you're kind of this narrative in the media about the Mueller report, which is this is a thing about Donald Trump and what he did right or wrong, right?

Like, did Donald Trump commit crimes?

Did Donald Trump lie?

Did Donald Trump obstruct justice?

Did Donald Trump, did Donald Trump, did Donald Trump?

And it fits exactly with what the media does with every other story.

When McDonald's releases a a new McGriddle flavor, they somehow turn that into a Donald Trump story.

That's just what they do.

It's constant.

And I swear that it's not the obsession with Trump that is

the focus of the problems, you know, of the conservative critique of the media that often.

It's more of the bias.

And the bias is absolutely there.

There's incredible bias against Trump and Republicans in general, and we all know that.

But the difference, I think, with Trump is not necessarily the bias, it's the obsession.

They cannot stop talking about him.

Every single story has to come back to Donald Trump every single time.

And sometimes, you know, things just occur in the world that, you know, don't have to lead to Donald Trump's impeachment.

I know this sounds shocking to many in the media, but not every story is about that.

And the Mueller investigation, while yes, there are obviously parts of this that that relate to Donald Trump, and we've got thousands and thousands of words on 448 pages, largely talking about Donald Trump and what Donald Trump did and what his people in his campaign did and what Donald Trump said to them about it.

And I know that's going to be the focus of the media.

However, the title of the report says where the focus should be.

Report on the investigation into Russian interference into the 2016 presidential election.

A small slice of that, which he was cleared of, was the investigation into Donald Trump and whether people in his campaign dealt with,

you know, knowingly colluded

or coordinated with Russian officials to affect the election.

And as you know, Mull Report came out on that part and was like, no, didn't really happen.

You know, there's certain things here that are that are questionable.

There's certain things that we don't love.

But generally speaking, there's not even close to evidence to bring a criminal charge on this.

There's just nothing there.

Part one,

the reason you're not hearing about part one, the reason you're not hearing about collusion anymore is because part one came up to be basically good for Trump.

He didn't do anything wrong.

And the entire time, seemingly, of course, he knew he didn't do things wrong on this, which is probably why he was frustrated and got into some problems with obstruction of justice.

That doesn't clear him from any of those things, but you've looked at the report and you've heard these things enough.

More importantly is this report they released months ago about indicting 25 Russians where they actually looked at the ways russians were trying to influence the elections there's a story in usa today that kind of highlights this and tries to remind the media and the american people that yeah russia is actually the focus of this let's just say trump's people did work with the russians to affect the elections certainly trump would be a focus of that But you know what else would be a focus is the fact that the Russians were trying to do it, right?

Like that's a big deal.

In this case, the Russians did many times try to work with the Trump administration and largely came up empty.

I mean, nothing, they didn't come up with anything.

There was a defense against political and press sort of arguments that Trump got into some trouble with, but the collusion thing, it just didn't happen.

A lot of people are talking now about

Trump, and they're just ignoring the Russia part of this.

This, Eric O'Neill writes, letting partisanship get in the way of acknowledging the fact that Russia is actually

a big force in this whole situation is dangerous.

Russia sought to undermine our election system the same way they've spread disinformation since the Cold War.

They didn't need help from Trump and his campaign to do so in 2016, and they won't need it in 2020 either.

The 2016 attacks on the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign were a modern take on an old Soviet tactic.

to influence and undermine elections and the political process of rival nations.

Some of these stories are just unbelievable.

During the Cold War, the Soviet Union pioneered disinformation practices that spread

disinformation in order to take shape and to shape American political decisions.

These active measures included manipulation of the media, the use of front organizations to sway public opinion, kidnappings, just really, I kind of escalated that one, and of funds and training and such, plus support to terrorist organizations.

In 1980, the CIA estimated that the Soviets spent a conservative $3 billion a year pursuing these active measures.

That's a lot of money.

In 1980 to today, there's been a lot of inflation that's gone on as well.

And this is probably at least part of the reason why the Soviet kind of went out of business.

I mean, you're spending $3 billion a year to affect other people's elections, but it's no longer that expensive.

It's a lot cheaper to do now.

Listen to some of the things they've tried in the past, though.

These are insane.

One involved spreading rumors of CIA and FBI involvement involvement in President John F.

Kennedy's assassination.

Now, maybe you've heard of that one, but it's interesting that a lot of the things about the JFK

assassination, a lot of the conspiracy theories were actually started by Russian propaganda initially.

And they were able to spread that around the country.

And it took years and years and years before we actually realized that's where it came from.

But that's where it came from.

And this comes from,

you know, some newly unearthed, in the last 10 years, unearthed documents from the former Soviet Union.

Another seeded foreign newspapers with articles purportedly written by American scientists claiming that AIDS

was a result of the Pentagon's experiments to develop biological weapons.

So the Soviets are writing op-eds as American doctors and saying, you know, AIDS, and this is also the other part of this is AIDS was created by the government to kill black people.

This is a big, this is like something that like Kanye West believed.

And, you know, back in the day when he didn't like Bush, I guess now he likes Trump.

I don't know what he believes now.

But this has been a long-term sort of left-wing conspiracy theory.

And you saw it show itself a lot during the Jeremiah Wright era.

Jeremiah Wright preached about this, claimed that the government created AIDS to kill black people.

Well, the Soviets planted this rumor, this idea initially, and the idea was that it was part of a biological weapon program, not just from the Soviets to kill black people, but to kill anybody else.

It was part of our defense department, and that AIDS was a disease we created.

Of course, obviously not true, but this came from Russian Soviet propaganda.

Or how about this one?

In 1984, if you remember in 1980,

the administration,

Carter, boycotts the 1980 Moscow Olympics.

So 1984, obviously the Soviets boycott the Los Angeles Olympics, but they were not okay with just boycotting.

Instead, during the 1984 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles, KGB spies in Washington, D.C.

sent fake letters from the Ku Klux Klan

threatening athletes from African countries.

I mean, this is bizarre.

And they were going to these lengths decades ago.

What are they doing now with social networks and all of the rest?

In October 2018, the Justice Department indicted seven Russian intelligence officers for launching cyber attacks against international anti-doping agencies and individual athletes.

They compromised the medical information of 250 athletes from 30 countries, including gymnast Simone, no, no, Simone Biles, right?

I don't know.

I'm not a gymnastics fan, but I do know Serena and Venus Williams, and they were compromised as well.

And they've been doing these things when they want want to get their way.

They utilize tactics like this to manipulate the public, to manipulate public perception,

and to try to move American public opinion.

So these risks are real.

You know, posting a couple of memes on the internet is, you know, that stuff, a lot of that has been really overblown.

The impact on that is minimal, but they did a lot of other things as well.

These hacks were a legitimate problem, and it didn't have anything to do with Donald Trump.

I mean, you know,

that is

a sideshow.

The media wants to make this completely about Donald Trump because that is their obsession.

It's all they care about.

But I don't know about you.

I care about the country, and I care about a foreign power trying to influence our elections.

Russia is a legit danger.

You know, Vlad, I know he seems like a nice guy.

when he's riding the horse without his shirt on.

I mean, he seems like a hunk and the type of guy you just love to find on Tinder.

Tinder, but I got to say it, he's not a good guy.

And the idea that we can have a report like this that really does detail what they tried to do, not the Mueller report released yesterday, but the one from several months ago, goes into incredible detail, including IP addresses and Bitcoin transactions and all these really intricate details to show what Russia was doing.

That's the value here.

So we did get some value out of the Mueller report.

It was the Democrats, the media, some even on the right that tried to make this into some partisan circus circus rather than focusing on the real issue here, which again, it's a report on the investigation into Russian interference into the election.

It's not a report on

how much can we ding Donald Trump's approval rating.

And unfortunately, that's been lost.

Hopefully, our intelligence

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I mean, I just, will it ever end?

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But once again, we should underline the Mueller report, two years and countless hours, has concluded that there was no criminal conspiracy between members of the Trump team and the Russian and the Russian government, which ultimately does clear them on the most important part of this and is good news.

It's great news for the country that the President of the United States and the people around him were not actually colluding with an adversary.

But for anyone to read these two volumes and say this is a clean bill of health is...

Or

that the president is completely exonerated

and that, you know, exonerated on obstruction of justice, no obstruction, that's not that you can't say.

It's Jake Tapper and Anderson Cooper.

I mean, I give them a lot of credit because I think the only people I actually saw in the media noting that the most important part of this, he was, you know, exonerated on largely.

And,

you know, this is good news for the country.

We should all be actually happy.

You see the depression of the blue check marks on Twitter as the Mueller report didn't give them what they wanted.

What they want should be that the president did not collude with an adversary.

And that part we actually got.

To look at what they said at the end there, it goes back to what Andy McCarthy said.

If you didn't hear that interview, it happened earlier this hour.

The Mueller report does not completely exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice.

However, that is not a legal standard.

Our system of government and our system of justice is supposed to require guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, not can you be completely exonerated of everything.

That is not the way we're doing this.

And, you know, this is the Kavanaugh standard in action.

Brett Kavanaugh, we can't completely exonerate him from being at a party when he was

17 years old in a location that no one can remember in a year that no one can remember.

We can't completely say none of us were there.

We can't completely say with 100% certitude he didn't do these things.

Therefore, he shouldn't go on the Supreme Court.

This new standard of behavior is not okay.

And Mueller here, I mean, because a lot of people would say when we would bring those points up about Kavanaugh, they would say, Well, I mean, look, that's the legal, that's not a legal standard.

This is a court of public opinion, and they and they have a different standard.

Well, okay, maybe, but here, this is a legal standard.

And the idea that we're talking about someone not being completely exonerated,

we're doing it wrong, guys.

This is backwards.

Here's Mary Catherine Hamm.

She's on CNN.

And man, if this if this is this point is not 100% accurate, I don't know what is.

They found no evidence or insufficient evidence of conspiracy.

Right.

Look, I hope nobody missed leg day because carrying these goalposts, they're going to be very heavy.

You want to do it for the next 18 months.

Because the idea coalescing that the idea of collusion, which everyone we all know used for two years as a shorthand for a conspiracy in a large criminal sense,

The idea that we did not use that for that, and that that conclusion does not matter, and that therefore it's like somehow improper to point out that there was no collusion as we meant it for the last two years

I think is an operation in gaslighting

there was no collusion it is good news it's great news he wasn't a foreign asset that's a big deal and you got to make sure you don't miss the leg day because carrying the goalposts will be a problem for the media coming up I think we've learned a lot this week.

We've learned a lot about what's important and what isn't.

And so hopefully this weekend, Easter weekend,

you can embrace your faith if you have it, embrace your kids if you have them.

If not, I mean, Taco Bell's always open.

So there's always something good about the weekend.

Enjoy it.

Glenn will be back on Monday.

It's Stu in for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.

Happy Easter.

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