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Hello, America.

It's Wednesday,

and the people are still in darkness in Venezuela.

But you know who has plenty of light?

Plenty of stuff to eat?

Maybe got up in the middle of the night, opened up their refrigerator, just stood there and looked at all of the choices.

Hollywood, the people who did this to Venezuela, the people who championed socialism and Chavez and Maduro, they've got plenty of light.

We take you into the heart of darkness

and the heart of hypocrisy, Venezuela and Hollywood, as we begin the show in one minute.

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Imagine a darkness, something darker and and scarier than the deepest parts of the ocean.

Darker than that awful darkness of space, the darkness of night, a house shackled by darkness because there isn't any electricity and there hasn't been for months.

But then again, that's not the dark I'm talking about.

The real dark is the dark part that lives inside of you.

The things that you now have to do on a daily basis, just to stay alive.

Around the corner, you hear the bestial shouts from a Caracas jail.

The prisoners have taken over, at least that's what you hear.

They feel they can do a better job of controlling themselves than whoever has been doing it lately.

It was a hundred years ago that this country was lavished in wealth.

Not too long ago, you too were rich.

You were healthy in that chubby 19th century Russian diplomat way.

You ate well.

You probably ate too much.

Black turtle beans and fried bananas, masado negro, you drool just thinking of the tender shredded beef and the carrot and oregano tinged broth.

You strode through steakhouses on special occasions.

You ate T-bones like a Texan.

You drank Chilean wines, malbec from Argentina, occasionally a glass of cognac.

Not because you were drunk, but because you could.

Because you enjoyed the sprouting goodness that life had to offer.

Man, that life, it seemed like it was never going to end.

Now look at yourself.

You're a bag of bones.

Bones jutting out like false teeth.

At times, you think about all the energy you waste just breathing.

What happened?

Now you can barely afford a single egg, one egg.

Eggs that fall out of the the backsides of chickens, and I can't afford it?

Your mouth quivers at the thought of a fried egg tender, so tender it pops open, which is the prod of a fork oozing onto the fried papaya and brotisserie chicken.

You've lost 120 pounds since it all started going to hell.

And now

you're in it firmly.

You weren't rich, you were middle class, lower middle class even.

That's just how good things used to be.

Although there was always the cinderblock hovels that you can see from the plane as you land in Caracas,

now it has spread.

The office, where you used to work as an accountant, is now empty, abandoned, overtaken by squatters, people like you, who lost everything.

who limp a little more each day toward their death.

Men all in black now patrol the streets with shotguns, black bulletproof vests and black tarp-like shirts and black pants, black military boots.

People hamper cars in the street because there's nowhere to go.

Nothing to do.

Gasping a bit, you rest below a crucifix statue, the left-tilting head of Christ emblazoned in a soft and sad light, the burnished rise of daylight breathing into a new day.

Looking at Christ, perhaps for the first time you understand suffering.

You understand his defeated look, the look of hopelessness and violence and death.

The hopelessness of surrendering and surrendering until it stops mattering.

You hope

you have that one hope left that all things will change.

But you really hope that just anything begins to change.

It was all so promising at the beginning.

Everybody was going to be able to live the high life.

And now,

only a handful are.

And they are the ones that live behind the gates.

This, you think to yourself, this is the socialist utopia they promised all of us as Venezuelans?

As you sit there under the statue,

you begin to replay it all in your mind and wonder,

where are all those Americans, those celebrities, those from Hollywood

that praised our leaders

and helped convince us that this was the road to prosperity.

I wonder what they're eating tonight.

I have a feeling they're eating very well.

This is the hypocrisy.

This is why the media is an enemy of the people.

Not because they're against Donald Trump or anything else, but because they will not tell you the truth.

Where are the big long specials on Venezuela and how it all happened?

Where are the demands for the apologies from those who brought this socialism to Venezuela?

I can tell you right now that if a capitalist country would implode and you had the very rich and the very elite

of this grotesque capitalist system

Living the high life, taking the gold from the country currently, holding it hostage, hostage forcing people to starve fixing elections I can guarantee you CNN would be there 24 7 they would be talking about it non-stop and saying this is why we need socialism

but where is the media today

where are the leaders today

that will actually stand up and say wait a minute hold it

we're all talking about socialism socialism.

Can we stop and look at what socialism has done?

Can we just stop and ask a few people?

Hey, Sean Penn, do you remember when you said this?

He is one of the most important forces we have had on this planet.

And I will

wish him nothing but that great strength he has shown over and over again.

I do it in love

and I do it in gratitude.

I just want to

say that from my very American point of view

of my friend President Chavez,

it is only possible

to be so inspiring as he is

as a two-way street.

And he would say that his inspiration is the people.

Hugo Chavez

Praise after the death of Hugo Chavez.

Praise

for the new new bus driver, Maduro,

who was one of the people,

who will be democratically elected, and he will continue this proud, proud tradition of Chavez.

They will feed you a lie of fiction now, that Chavez was doing it right.

It was Maduro.

Well, that falls apart in two places.

One, the economy was already falling apart.

Everything was falling into disrepair at the end of Hugo Chavez.

And my greater point here is this is democratic socialism.

You're going to elect somebody.

He's going to be the greatest.

He's going to bring Barack Obama.

He gave us Obamacare.

And as it starts to fall apart, the democratically elected successor has to pick up the pieces.

And at some point, it gets so bad

that one of these successors just has to stop the elections.

They just have to stop these people because it's the people who are complaining that are causing all the problems.

Where is Danny Glover today?

Has anyone seen Danny Glover?

Is he on television being asked, hey, how you feeling about Venezuela now?

Because you were a big supporter when you said things like this.

Well, first of all, I consider the President Hugo Chavez my friend and certainly an ally about the things that I talk about in the world and that he talks about in the world.

I would talk preciously about the country that

people often consider me a descendant of and from Hei Haiti.

Haiti is something very special to me.

And so when I talked to the president about Haiti, he understood there was a fundamental relationship that

Latin America and particularly Venezuela and the Bolivarian Revolution, had to Haiti.

Haiti, otherwise known as Haiti.

Danny Glover will say, well, I was talking, no, no, no, I was talking about Chavez, but here he is in 2014 giving a speech next to Maduro,

supporting Maduro.

So proud to be with you.

As we commemorate and celebrate

a true man of the people,

Hugo Chavez,

his memory

lives

with us

through

the work that you do

as citizens of this great nation,

as you continue to realize his vision of a participatory democracy, one involving all citizens.

In context

with its

elected leaders

who are the stewards of this democracy.

It is a task that is very difficult,

but a task that you are up to.

It is a task with many challenges,

but he knows that you will continue the fight

that he gave his last breath for

a free,

democratic,

self-determining Venezuela.

That's fantastic.

If any of it were true, as he had his arm around Nicolas Maduro as he was saying it,

if you think that the socialists

really

believe in a self-determining group of people, an exchange of ideas,

then why are they silencing so many people today in America?

Don't you see?

This is, they don't show up in black boots.

They don't show up in

scary uniforms.

Germany, they showed up in those black uniforms, but those weren't scary at the time.

Those were sharp uniforms.

They were designed by Hugo Boss.

They instilled confidence in the people.

They thought, oh, wow, look at them.

I want to be a part of that.

Now, only now, do you know what they really mean?

And now, those uniforms are frightening.

They show up as friends.

As Ronald Reagan said, I'm from the government.

I'm here to help.

The most frightening words anybody has ever spoken.

If they truly are going to create a utopia where all of us can express ourselves, then why are they silencing us today?

Why is that Noam Chomsky?

Why Why is that Oliver Stone?

Danny Glover?

Sean Penn?

You all should be held accountable for what you said.

And I know you're going to have an excuse.

Well, they just didn't do it right in Venezuela.

They never do it right.

Shame on you, Hollywood.

And shame on you, American press.

Where are you as people languish in the dark and starve?

By the way, we already have people on the ground at the border.

They are trying through OUR to rescue the kids that are being taken from Venezuela and sold into sex slavery.

We are on the border of Colombia and Venezuela, and I would love to be able to have trucks and trucks and trucks and trucks of food that we can go and take in to Venezuela as soon as it falls or is safe to bring in food.

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Here's Oliver Stone

supporting Chavez.

I've dealt with iconic characters, and

let's say

I favor the underdog.

So, here is a man who's been picked on endlessly for years.

And in that vein, I went there and I wanted to make it about the American media because we seek out enemies.

America has got a certain paranoia since World War II that's gotten worse and worse and worse.

And we find leaders in Iran, in Vietnam, and

in Iraq.

We created him Hussein, and here we go in Venezuela.

In 2002, we were much, if we had succeeded in Iraq, I do believe that Mr.

Chavez would have been under even more pressure.

Okay, stop.

Let me go further.

He talks, Michael Moore talked about the lovely healthcare system in Venezuela.

Let me show you a picture of an operating room in Venezuela.

This is what it looks like today.

If you happen to be listening on the radio, let me explain.

It looks like a torture chamber with blood on the floor, blood on the walls.

It looks like one of the dirtiest rooms.

You wouldn't sit in this room with your child.

It would be child abuse.

It would be mental abuse of you if you were locked in this room.

It's a room that would drive you mad.

It's a room that looks like it's out of a sequel to Saw.

It does.

It does.

This is a movie you're trapped and chained to the wall and have to saw your own leg off to get it.

Correct.

That is a medical facility.

And remember, this is what they said would be so great.

Well, that doesn't happen under Maduro.

This happens over a long period of time.

We are throwing away.

Did you just see that it was in Iceland?

It wasn't Iceland.

Maybe it was.

One of those countries.

One of the lands.

Yeah, one of the lands

where they have just gone to full government medical care.

Changed absolutely everything.

The government has now collapsed.

The system has completely collapsed under its own weight.

It doesn't work.

There's not enough money.

There's not enough money.

Math

makes a difference.

Without math, no medicine.

Without math, we missed the moon when we tried to go.

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I'm going to tell you about Congresswoman Omar, who is now under a new controversy because she just said that

she thought that Barack Obama was a human

and Donald Trump was not.

She then said, that was taken out of context.

This is why I tape all of my interviews.

And she released it.

And then she deleted it right away because that's proof.

She provided the proof.

That's exactly what she said.

Maybe she was just such a

young, struggling immigrant to this country.

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I want to tell you who she really is.

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Here's this

freshman congresswoman that no one is willing to look into.

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when I said to my staff, I want to really look into her and I want to see, tell me who she is, tell me where she came from, et cetera, et cetera, we started uncovering things that are just

beyond description strange.

There are multiple, multiple suspicious stories that the media has granted her a pass and they would never grant this pass to anyone.

I mean even the average Democrat would not get away with these things.

So I want to talk to you a little bit about

her and where she came from today.

We'll talk about her anti-Semitism and the heart of that on tomorrow's episode at this time.

Now,

the first stories that started to come out to question her came out from online bloggers back in 2016.

Normally, I wouldn't go to an online blogger and say, hey, look at what this online blogger did.

However, when you have no media, sometimes the online bloggers, if you check them out, have something and they have checked this out.

Back in 2016, Elon Omar had committed immigration fraud.

This was the charge, that she had committed immigration fraud by marrying her brother to facilitate his arrival in the United States.

Okay, all right.

If it was from a blogger,

I would look into it, but it doesn't help that, you know, it's like, okay, really?

So she set

her

social media platforms to private immediately after that story broke and then deleted all of the alleged evidence that was used to prove the immigration fraud case.

It was all up on her social media.

And as soon as that came out, delete.

Okay.

Sounds suspicious, but the mainstream media wouldn't touch it.

Not even the local Minnesota media would touch it.

And you'll understand why by the end of this episode tomorrow.

The Associated Press actually took this on.

They were the only outlet.

The Associated Press, not a slum outvet and currently not a conservative outlet, to say the least.

But when they asked Omar what was going on, she just said, quote, I choose not to further the narrative of those who oppose us, end quote.

Okay, well, I assume that you're saying that those are all lies, but it would be easy to prove them.

So the AP asked Omar for her immigration records and birth certificates that would prove her denial.

Now, when I first saw this, I was like, oh, geez, a birth certificate thing.

There was nothing with the Obama birth certificate.

Can we stop with the birth certificates?

And the fact that she said that her family's birth certificates were lost during the Somali civil war, something that probably did happen and was true.

So you're not going to base it on birth records.

However, the immigration records, the things that should be open, you shouldn't have a problem with this at all.

She refused to offer any of those up, and a Freedom of Information Act request submitted by the Associated Press was sent back explaining the approval of the release had to be authorized by Omar and her husband, and they won't sign off.

Now, even Snopes, who's not really in the Donald Trump camp,

classifying this not as true or false, but unproven.

So, let's recap.

We have a credible case of immigration fraud by a U.S.

representative,

and the alleged perpetrator has deleted the visual evidence, refuses to provide any evidence, the person who is under the microscope.

She's gone radio silent on this issue ever since, and no one is looking into it.

Okay, I mean, you'd think that someone would, you know, at the New York Times or Washington Post at least be curious.

Why wouldn't the government open a probe?

The Associated Press, according to the Associated Press, the Obama administration never started an investigation, and the Trump administration hasn't started an investigation.

Okay.

What else you got?

Well, there's also evidence that Elon Omar committed perjury in court.

Now, this is where it starts to fall into place.

When she filed for a divorce from her possible brother in 2017, Omar claimed that she hadn't seen or made contact with her husband since 2011.

She said, I don't even know where my husband is or where he was.

It's possible he was somewhere in London.

Well, PJ Media went to the Minnesota Family Records Center and they verified that Omar officially submitted to the court that her last

contact with her husband was June 2011.

So remember this.

She said, I haven't seen him since June 2011.

And that's in her divorce

records.

So in the absence of any journalist doing any work on this at all,

the internet sleuths had to go to work.

And they searched Omar's husband's last known location, which was London, right?

She said, I haven't seen him.

Probably in London.

So they searched to see if Omar had traveled there between 2011 and 2016.

Oops, they found some photos on social media taken in London back in 2014.

The picture is up on the screen now if you happen to be watching.

It is taken in 2014.

That's Elian Omar and her ex-husband or brother or whatever.

So isn't that a pretty strong case for perjury?

Case for law enforcement, at least, to investigate the mainstream media to do do some kind of looking into this.

Give credit to the Associated Press.

They're the only ones that at least ask Omar about this discrepancy, and she refused to address the situation.

And Omar's husband, ex-husband, has

declined any kind of response either.

And by the way, the pictures, yeah, they're mysteriously been deleted.

Now, there's one other thing.

Omar has been accused by State Representative Steve Dreskowski

of not one but three campaign finance and ethics violations.

The first allegation involves the use of $3,000 in campaign money that was spent on travel to Estonia and Boston.

Now Drakowski claims that these trips were personal in nature.

And her response?

It should be concerning to his constituents that he's using taxpayer dollars to harass a Muslim candidate.

So in other words, her defense is, I'm a Muslim.

The second allegation is that Omar used over $2,000 in campaign finance to pay her lawyer for her divorce proceedings.

Omar's response was basically, no, no, it was for something else.

And no other explanation has been given.

The third allegation is that she made ethics violations after accepting speaker fees from public colleges.

Omar would later pay that money back, but

no apology?

No, instead we got this.

We recognize how these folks are deeply invested in stopping a progressive, black, Muslim, hijab-wearing, immigrant woman.

Boy, intersectionality is working for her.

We know these people are part of systems that have historically been disturbingly motivated to silence and discredit and dehumanize influencers who threaten the establishment.

Now, it's really interesting that she would would use

dehumanize.

What does that mean?

These disturbingly,

what did she call them?

Disturbingly motivated to discredit and silence and to dehumanize influencers.

Let me see if I can explain to Omar what dehumanizing actually looks like from an interview in a hallway that she denies that's what she was saying until she released the video herself, apparently not listening to it and realized, oh crap, that's exactly what I said and deleted it.

Here's the audio.

Listen.

Could you just set the record straight so we get your side of it?

Do you think that President Obama is the same as President Obama?

Absolutely not.

That is silly to even think and equate to one is human, the other is not.

Is it true that you just think

one is human, one is clearly not.

Hmm.

Omar, I don't know how they do things in Somalia,

but that is the

dictionary definition of dehumanizing someone.

To claim one is a person, and because I disagree with him, the other one is not.

But what is her real story?

Where did she come from?

How has she been educated?

Who are her friends?

Who was in her office last week just as the Democrats decided to change and say, no, no, no, what we're going to say is it's anti-Semitism.

It won't be related to her.

Anti-Semitism,

but also anti-Muslim.

Who was in her office as that decision was being made?

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Did you see Hollywood and how they are now willing to risk and and go to jail for their kids to get them in the right school?

Yeah, that's so bizarre.

That's a society gone wrong right there.

No, no, no.

It is another sign.

I believe yesterday,

I hit it right.

I think I said it on the TV show.

This is a society that has gone insane.

We are truly insane now.

If you think that Tucker Carlson and what he said in 2006

is more dangerous than what is happening with socialism, the destruction of capitalism, what's happening in Venezuela.

You are insane.

Truly insane.

Am I the only person who thought when the scandal broke that, you know,

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I mean, they did a lot of work.

They risked jail and put a million dollars in to get their kid into USC, really?

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that's a parent that loves that kid.

You can say what you want to do is who is insane.

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And a parent that is probably out at night talking about socialism talking about how unfair things are and yet they're doing that with their kids they were photoshopping pictures of the kids onto other athletes to prove that they had athletic activities and paying five hundred thousand dollars for people to actually make sure that their kid got in and now there's an opening in that market i'll talk to you in a few years glad when i've got my millions

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Censorship.

Censorship.

It is happening now and it's not just happening to members of the press or conservatives.

It's happening for anybody who bucks the system and it's only going to get worse.

Now we have Elizabeth Warren saying, we ought to break these big tech companies up.

I don't think that's a good idea.

Here's the problem with these big tech companies.

They're in bed with the federal government.

Get out of bed with these companies.

They should have no special perks, no special access, no special relationship, nothing.

But what does the future look like?

Well, we have an entrepreneur who says this is a real problem, wants you to know about it, and I think may disagree with me on breaking these companies up.

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He has put

a bunch of

comments out on Twitter that I thought was interesting, a Twitter thread.

I'd like to elevate the way we talk about censorship issues.

Let me offer a few quick thoughts on language around these issues, how I'm currently thinking about them.

We thought we would get him on and have him lay it out for us.

Hello, Jeff.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

Tell me,

can you guide us through it all

a logical way that we can

have freedom of speech?

Companies can be themselves and

do what they feel is right

while still having freedom of speech and getting the government out of bed with these people.

Yeah, exactly.

So let's try to frame the discussion.

I mean, first, we all care about freedom here, right?

We want to live in a free society.

The question is, what does it mean to live in a free society when there are these incredibly powerful tech companies and global services that have a ton of market share and that, you know, conceivably can kind of kick you off for any reason?

Right.

So

that's what I'm wrestling with.

I kind of come at this with this freedom libertarian type orientation, but I recognize that the issues get a lot more complicated in this era.

And so I've been trying to elevate the way we talk about these issues and just advance this dialogue because I think it's incredibly important to the future.

So I'm really grateful to be on your show to talk about it.

No, I really appreciate it.

We do not have serious discussions on this.

We have a bunch of politicians throwing things back and forth.

And people are just, I think, on this issue, they just...

They become outraged by it and then they don't know what to do.

So they just hook their wagon to some politician.

And I don't think we're having a serious discussion about this in society so where do we begin

right well I think I mean I think it begins with talking about it and trying to wrap our heads around it and and understand what are the right questions to ask

and I think you know we've heard about just to kind of poke at you a little bit I mean we've all heard about the Chinese social credit system where they're monitoring its citizens and if the citizens don't behave properly they'll get demarised and they won't be able to take the train and stuff like that.

Well, in our society, a privatized version of totalitarianism is still totalitarianism.

Like,

in some sense, we're evolving this American social credit system.

So

just say, when you say poke at me, you don't think I disagree because I think China is building 1984.

We're building Brave New World.

It's the same thing.

Exactly.

It's just privatized.

So maybe we don't disagree.

So I talk to my friends who are passionate Christians and they care a lot about religious freedom.

And I generally support them.

I happen to be a gay guy.

But like if Masterpiece doesn't want to sell me a cake for my fabulous wedding, that's no big deal.

I can go to a different bake store.

Right, right.

But if Amazon bans me from selling my books on Amazon for whatever reason, that's really devastating.

Correct.

However, there is, and I agree with you, but that's where the discussion needs to be.

They're a private company, company, but they're still a massive private company.

So I agree with you 100%.

We have to talk about that, but how do you balance the libertarian, you know, hey, it's still a private company with...

So in my eyes, it comes down to market share and consumer choice.

And I think, like in the case of Christians, I ask them, what's going to happen when the SPLC labels you a Christian extremist because you don't like gay marriage, you don't support gay marriage, which in my my book is fine.

Like, I can respect that.

Right.

But what's going to happen when you refuse to bake my cake and then you get banned from Uber?

Right?

Like,

what's going to happen?

Like, those are two very different things.

So, for me, a lot of the discussion comes down to consumer choice.

If there's a service that has a ton of market share, like Amazon just dominates book distribution,

Uber dominates ride sharing.

That is a different, that's a different phenomenon, or PayPal dominates online payments.

That's a different dynamic than if I have lots of choices in the marketplace and there are like five bakeries in town and this one doesn't want to make me a fabulous cake, so I'll just go to a different one.

So I think that's

one element for us to think about.

I think

how do we solve that?

Two ways.

One is

I think having a broader conversation about political discrimination and religious discrimination in the commercial landscape because we want to balance the ability for businesses to choose their customers because that's part of their freedom on the one hand.

And yet on the other hand, I think recognizing that with global services that have a ton of market share, like

maybe that's not okay.

So should they be able to ban me from wearing a MAGA hat and go to, should my bank be able to say, I don't want to serve you because you voted for Trump.

Correct.

Or should my airline be able to say, you're You're not allowed to fly on American airlines anymore because you voted for Trump?

Right.

Like, that feels very wrong to me.

Or my internet service, that may be different because they're a telecommunications app, but my cell phone or whatever could say, I don't want to serve you anymore because you're a Christian extremist.

Like, that seems very problematic to me.

Correct.

And I guess it is market share

that

makes it so frightening.

However,

let me push back from a libertarian standpoint.

If I create a company and I grow to be huge because there's nobody else that was doing what I did, and why should I then have be punished

as long as I'm not obstructing?

See, this is, I'm tying myself in a knot here, Jeff, because

the only thing that I cannot solve on the capitalist system is really the de Tocqueville problem.

He said in Democracy in America that at some point the rich will get so rich they will kick the door behind them and not allow anybody else through.

And that's true.

Now, not all rich people do that, but some do.

I talked to Ray Kurzweil and I said, what makes you think that Google is not going to just notice what I'm doing?

doing online and say, they're trying to build a competition to me, to Google, and just start banning them start changing you know the information why wouldn't someone who is has a dark heart you know do that and he said because people won't like you don't know people people will always do that kind of stuff so I don't know when you have that much power and you don't have the the morals to

underpinning of saying you know no i don't want to screw people i made it and somebody else can make it and competition makes will just make me stronger.

I don't know how to solve that.

Well,

I think you are helping solve it by advancing the conversation.

I think one angle, I think there are a lot of different angles.

There's no one magic bullet, but I think antitrust is certainly part of the equation here.

And maybe reevaluating how we think about antitrust and at what point, you know, Elizabeth Warren proposed breaking up tech companies.

I don't know if that's a good idea or not, but that is one angle of kind of attack on these issues.

And I just did an analysis of social media.

You know, how much is social media impacting our democratic discourse?

And what I found is that American use of social media is dominated by eight platforms.

And Facebook-owned platforms, Facebook itself, Facebook also owned WhatsApp and Instagram, dominate about half of all social media activity among Americans.

And then Google,

Google controls 90% of the search market so imagine all the times that you're searching for information and on top of that they own YouTube which is the most used social media and the dominant video sharing one and they're an investor in Snapchat which as you know is really popular especially among young people so

you look at the landscape and we have eight platforms with two companies controlling

how we make sense of the world and filtering the information that we receive.

And social media is unique because it's participatory.

It's not like we're sharing and creating information in addition to consuming it.

So

what do you think of the argument

between platforms and

publishers that they're trying to have it both ways?

They have the protection of a platform because they could not survive.

YouTube couldn't survive if they were going to be sued for everything anybody ever posted.

Facebook couldn't survive.

But that's a platform.

And they have to say, I'm an editor, I'm a publisher, or I'm a platform.

If you're a platform, you got to let it ride because you can't edit.

Otherwise, you are responsible for the content because you're editing unless it's illegal.

Why not just make them platforms or publishers?

And publishing is a total different set of rules, and congratulations on that.

You're going to get sued all the time.

Right.

Well, I think, okay, let's talk about policy and then politics, because you're referring to Section 230,

which is what protects these platforms from getting sued for the content that they're searching.

So

seems like that's the root of the problem.

Well, but it gets more complicated because let's be honest.

I think threatening to revoke section 230 for protection is really effective political move saying listen we're gonna pull this like we're not gonna protect you anymore if you're gonna act like a publisher and tweak your algorithms and steer people to this politically biased information and and

and disproportionately bias everything against conservatives like we're gonna so i think it works politically to threaten it in practice i think it's a really bad policy that would basically destroy the internet.

So

I'm not sure that's exactly the right approach.

How would it destroy?

I want to understand.

I'm not pushing back to be.

I think if I could sue Google for anything that Google indexes, that's just going to be a nightmare.

Correct.

And

so I think you're taking a grenade approach when a smarter policy approach would be to

a more surgical approach and maybe change the language of requirements around Section 230 and get in there and say, you know what, here's, we recognize this thing is, this protection is vital to the internet, but we're going to tweak the language.

And if we find that you're having a disproportionate impact or bias against conservatives or against or Democrats

or

against anybody, then we're going to

So I think a more surgical approach to finessing that language and adding requirements might be a smarter approach than just yanking it.

I just assumed that no one in their right mind would take that deal.

They would all back up and go, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Because you're right, it will shut everything down.

That protection has to be provided because no company could handle it.

And I just assumed that they would all be wise enough to go, okay, we'll behave.

I mean, the reality is these big platforms do have too many legal protections.

So I do think that I don't want I'm not a big fan of

litigious culture at all, but I do think that they are overly protected and that we can finesse some of the language.

So I think when we look at policy solutions, looking at it more with a scalpel rather than a grenade is a much smarter approach.

I mean, I asked some friends what they thought made sense policy-wise, and they they specified with you know platforms with more than several million users, maybe that's when they should fall under certain requirements, right?

Because when you have a global platform, that's different than having a local retail shop.

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We were talking, Jeff, about

being demonetized, and

I'm wondering how much of that is just from

companies, advertisers saying, you know, we're Mercedes-Benz.

I don't want anything political.

I don't want anything that could be controversial.

And them just not having different categories or levels and just saying, okay, no advertising because some advertisers don't want this.

How much of it is that and how much of it is an agenda to silence?

I definitely think there's an agenda to silence.

I mean, look at you may be familiar with Sleeping Giants.

That's the name of a left-wing advocacy effort that basically tries to remove threatened advertisers who are advertising on Tucker Carlson's show or on Fox or whatever.

And they pulled the plug on all of Breitbart's advertising or a lot of their algorithmic advertising.

So it's pretty devastating for a lot of these businesses.

And

yeah, so I definitely think the advertising censorship issue is big, and it's kind of a structural way to really take the legs out from under conservative media and and they're winning on this front for sure they are how do we how do we fight back without being

them

well Glenn I mean

I think we we may have to be them

you know I think conservatives like to be lofty and and pretend like you know everything's good and and wonderful in the world.

And the left is taking this by any means necessary approach.

And that's a recipe for losing.

And there's a sense in which conservatives are just kind of perpetual losing losers, right?

And so

I think part of it is bringing the fight back to them, which isn't fun.

Nobody likes playing that game.

But I think they only stop when we force them to play it by their own rules, as Alinsky would say, right?

Exactly.

Yeah.

So I think that's one step

is to push back, take the offensive.

I think a second step is just to stop playing the game.

What Tucker Carlson did the other night was phenomenal.

When he said, no, I'm not going to let you shame me.

No, Fox is standing by me.

We're not going to be fired.

That is really powerful when people learn to just not take the bait with these outrage campaigns,

especially when they're fake ones.

Now, with advertisers, it's complicated because

Tucker Carlson's show still is losing advertisers.

I'm not exactly sure what to do around that other than making our voices heard and felt with the advertisers and demonstrating to them that like, hey, this is almost a mutually,

we need to get in the mutually assured destruction mode where,

okay, we could play this game, but that's going to be a nightmare for advertisers when you're boycotting us and we're boycotting you and all this stuff.

Or we could just not play this game.

And I think the only way to get to that position is by threatening the left back and saying, no, you know, we don't play that.

We're not going to do that anymore.

Yeah.

And also, I think

one third step is getting our dollars together.

AstraZeneca, if they're going to pull their ads from Tucker Carlson, you know, well, maybe that's not the best example because people need their meds.

But

like,

you know, pick your service.

If you're going to like not advertise, we're going to boycott your service.

And so getting organized to make them pay a price for that behavior is another thing we can do.

Jeff GC, can I ask you to come back and maybe we'll have you come in and do a 90-minute sit-down with a podcast?

Because I think you're right on the money and fascinating perspective.

Thank you, Jeff, for being on.

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So let me let me explain the the

real answer to censorship.

Okay.

What we're talking about is something different because The technology has changed.

It used to be that

we all broadcasting was happening.

That's not what's happening anymore.

It's becoming more and more narrow.

Broadcasting is something

from

a generation past.

It's not the future.

Narrow casting is.

And what's interesting is it's not just out there.

You go searching for it.

Now, you would say, well, Facebook is different.

It's just out there.

Okay, let me compare Facebook to a movie theater

because this is what is happening.

This is why we're reacting the way we do.

You go into a movie theater and these kids are talking and everybody's uncomfortable, but nobody is saying anything because nobody wants to be that person.

You just don't want to get into trouble or something.

And finally, you just snap and you turn around and go, knock it off.

Shut up.

Some of us are trying to watch this movie.

And used to get applause.

Now everybody just kind of sits there quietly to see, like,

are they going to shoot him?

Are they going to shoot him?

Okay, I'll call you a racist.

Yeah.

Or call me a racist or whatever.

And then you would walk out of the movie theater and people silently would just look at you like, good job, dude.

Good job.

Okay.

And

you were frustrated for you.

You weren't frustrated necessarily for everybody else.

That did enter your mind.

You're like, how is no one else standing up?

Is everybody else just okay with this?

And you know, everybody else wasn't, but it was you, you were trying to watch the movie.

And so you had to take a public

action to silence it because you wanted to watch the movie and others wouldn't do anything.

That

is a thing of the past.

Now, imagine you're going into a movie theater and you can mute people.

Just like TV, you can just look around and take your remote control and go, boop, mute.

You can be in a bar and somebody could just be an obnoxious pig.

Boop, mute.

You can't hear them.

You can't see them.

They're just gone.

Sounds wonderful.

Okay.

It actually, I think, is an episode on the dark mirror.

Yeah.

Okay.

Black mirror.

Or black mirror.

Well, that's, that's.

Facebook has that.

Facebook has that.

I use it all the time.

Right.

You just mute people because you don't want to see it.

You don't need to see it.

But what happens is, is everybody becomes the movie theater police.

I must stop it not just for me, but for every person in the theater.

It's not your job, dude.

It's not your job.

It's their job.

They don't want to hear it.

They can mute it.

But what's happening is we can individually mute what we don't want to hear.

But for power reasons, nobody is talking about that.

Nobody's saying, oh, by the way, you can mute this yourself if you don't want to hear it.

No, because power reasons, people want to be the movie theater police.

All you have to do is take care of it yourself.

You already, we've done this in society forever.

You're out of some place and everybody's talking like pigs and you just look at each other and you're like, let's get out of here.

Okay, that's what you do.

Except this time you don't have to leave.

Right.

For example, the Bubba the Love Sponge audience was not offended by what Tucker Carlson was saying, but Media Matters took it upon themselves to go back and make sure you were offended 12 years later.

Movie theater police

or someone

going back and saying, you know, during Lord of Rings, these people were talking back there.

You're like, okay, well, that happened during the Lord of the Rings, the first episode when it first came out.

I wasn't even in the theater.

I wouldn't have chosen to have gone to that theater.

I would have said something at the time, whatever it is.

I think

that's an interesting part.

I think, you know,

I hesitate to just fully commit to this because I want to think it out all the way.

And I think part of it is because so many smart conservatives that I respect, it's not just crazy liberals saying these things like break up the tech companies.

A lot of conservatives are on this bandwagon and they're saying this is a smart thing to do.

And so I want to make sure I fully think it out.

But

I keep coming back to this idea: did we have a First Amendment before 2004 when effectively Facebook, Google, and YouTube banned every single person on the planet because they didn't exist?

Well, we all had a First Amendment then.

We don't have a right

to be able to put your thoughts, your free speech on a particular website that someone else built.

That is not your right.

It's not your right to be able to earn a living.

on Facebook.

It's their platform that they built with their money.

And the fact that they allow you to go on there and use it, it's as a private company,

it is really their prerogative.

And I think you're right.

When it comes to legal protections, there gets to be somewhat of a sloppy line there.

And I would agree that the right thing for people to do,

these sites to do, is to say, like, let everyone put whatever they want on these websites, unless it's something illegal.

And people should be able to mute and, you know, block speech that they don't like, et cetera.

You should have control of your own algorithm.

Yeah, I think you should be able to play with that algorithm and say, if I move it this direction, what happens?

What's my feed look like?

I move it this direction.

Let give people the control of what they want to hear.

These companies just don't trust people.

I think it would be better if they did more of that.

I think some of those tools already exist, like the mute button.

You can block certain words.

You can do lots of things.

Like I example, for example, I've muted the word A-O-C because I don't want to hear one word about what she says.

It's just a bunch of nonsense.

So if you go to

back up a little bit though, think of 1995, right?

Glenn's in broadcasting for many, many years already.

I mean, God, decades already.

There are people out there that had thoughts, and those thoughts may have been important.

They may have been better than yours or smarter than yours or funnier than yours, but you had a radio station and they didn't.

Was their First Amendment right being violated?

Like they, there's a high barrier of entry for them to get on the radio, right?

And so to get a competitor, it was almost impossible.

So they just didn't get on the radio.

And did they not have First Amendment rights at that time?

I think they did.

It's really difficult for me to go down this monopoly road now because the cost, the barrier of entry is so low.

But

you could create competitors to Twitter, to YouTube, in your sleep.

You can put these things up, and you might say, well, then no one's going to see it.

Well, you don't have a constitutionally right, a guaranteed right to an audience.

If you have a constitutionally guaranteed right to say things,

but not to the audience that they built on their site.

But that's the deal.

You had access to airwaves

because they were limited.

You had to buy airwaves.

I know, hang on.

I know.

You had access to do those things.

And then it was up to you as the person to use that in your personal way to be able to express yourself.

I think having a platform that is open to everybody so they can express themselves has been great for democracy, has been great for the capitalist system.

And I don't want to limit it in any way.

It's like a phone.

These utilities, and I don't want them classified as utilities, but that's really what they are now.

They're becoming public utilities.

It's a phone line.

Okay.

And I don't want to say, oh, you can't have a phone.

No, no, no, you can't have access to a phone.

And that's kind of what's happening now is

this is a way that people communicate.

I'm sorry, you can't have access.

Now,

you should not be able to

increase

my audience or decrease my audience.

I should have to do that on my own.

Everyone should just be able to do who they are, be who they are, use it the way they want to use it.

You're just going down a really, I mean, for example, if you're saying that you have a right to be able to go on.

I have a right.

That's not a God-given right.

It shouldn't be something that's controlled by the government.

No, it should be.

Because I'm with you.

People should be able to ban whoever they want off of their own feeds.

Correct.

But they should not have protection.

If they do.

Yeah, yes.

I think I agree with you on that.

I think that

there is a line, and I think probably the line when it comes to legal protection is

slightly different.

But I mean, I think a lot of conservative organizations complain about whether they should have access to this.

And they're mad about it, which I understand, but they don't have a right to it.

And that's a big difference.

You can't demand that a company keeps you on there.

Let's say I wanted to start a new social network, and the new social network caught up, and it was stews, new fast food treats, and Philadelphia EaglesCommentary.com.

And just millions and millions of people inexplicably signed up for this.

Yeah, we're a crazy enough country to do it now.

And people started saying, you know what?

Here's a new kale treat.

And you know what?

Let me tell you something about the Kansas City Chiefs.

And I said, no, you're all banned.

Wouldn't I have the right to ban every single person?

Yes, you would.

It's my company.

I started it for a reason.

So Facebook,

just like, just like the Blaze does, but the Blaze is suable.

So if I put up a site and I said, you know, I wanted to ban people because of the content, and they started posting things like The Lord of the Rings in full version, and I got copyright, sued for copyright

problems, then I would not have, I would be a publisher, even though I'm allowing people to openly post.

I'm going to be treated like a publisher.

That doesn't make any sense either.

That's probably the nuance Jeff is talking about

this interview.

No.

If you're a publisher and you do not edit people, then you get the full protection.

You say, I'm not responsible for what other people post.

Okay.

So I can't be sued.

But I want specific content.

If I'm doing a site that's cooking tips and people see posting links to porn, why can't I stop them?

If I'm a religious social network and people are...

Then you're a publisher.

Not if it's a social network and other people are posting on it all the time.

I'm not sure.

Then you have to, what you have to do is then you have to have the people read everything and say, sorry, reject.

Sorry, not going to do that.

Sorry, not going to do that.

And if we go down that road, too, aren't we essentially guaranteeing just the internet as a right?

Because then, I mean, if people,

doesn't everyone suppose, I mean, this is something the left argues all the time, the fundamental right for people to access the internet, which somehow didn't exist until the internet came along.

It's a strange way to talk about a fundamental God-given right with something that didn't exist.

But I mean,

if you have a right to post on Facebook, certainly you have a right to the internet.

Correct.

Right.

So, and I don't, are you comfortable guaranteeing a right to the internet?

I'm not.

No.

Write it in the Constitution if you want it.

No, I don't think anybody has a right to the internet.

Yeah.

I don't either.

But I mean, I just feel like there's a lot of talk around that of where this is a First Amendment infringement.

And just because Facebook has all the people on it doesn't mean that you get to post on it.

You can post on another network and it might have less audience, but you're not guaranteed an audience.

Okay,

let me talk to you about a letter that came in because I think a lot of people, I'm going to run out of time, a lot of people don't realize how important

the silencing of voices is.

Glenn, I was listening to your show about the issue of Tucker Carlson and what he's facing.

I want to reach out and share my story.

It's somewhat similar to what's happening to many people who are not towing the leftist line.

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The HR manager said the employee had found some posts from back in October 2018 that violated their anti-bullying concerning the LGBTQ community.

The HR manager read me the posts, and I honestly didn't even remember them.

But the term she mentioned at being offensive is a term that is often used by people.

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I don't know what that term is.

Both of the posts the HR manager read to me were obviously only meant as a joke.

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hate crimes.

And he's come to a very interesting conclusion.

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Will Riley is with us now doctor

how are you sir Good.

How are you?

Very good.

You should refer to me as a doctor as well.

I'm, of course, a doctor of humanities, which means I can operate on any portion of the body.

I don't know if you know that, but.

Or at least the mind.

Or none of it.

Anyway,

you are a real professor, a doctor of political science, and you have

looked through all of the hate crimes that have been reported over the, what, the last 15 years?

Well, it's actually a closer timeframe than that, or a narrower timeframe.

I mean, my book focuses on really the last five years.

My research window was 2012 to 2017.

So, I guess last six and a half years now.

But, yeah, what I find is that a very large number, I wouldn't say of all hate crimes, if you look at the allegation that someone had a word shouted at them outside a fraternity party, an either black or white individual, but a very large percentage of the high-profile, widely reported recent hate crimes, more than half, have been fake.

So, I mean, we saw Jussie Smollett a couple weeks ago now.

Man claimed that he was beaten up at 2 o'clock in the morning in Chicago by two white bodybuilders with MAGA hats on.

They turned out to be Nigerian that had a rope, a gallon bottle of bleach.

They chanted build the wall, this is MAGA country.

That turned out to be a complete fraud.

He's currently facing 16 felony charges.

Literally a week before that, we saw Covington Catholic where the claim was that this group of preschool athletes had surrounded a literal Native American Indian elder.

I think he was was a shaman.

They chanted Build the Wall.

They tried to take his tribe's sacred rain drum.

And going back through a whole bunch of these, I mean, you've got Eastern Michigan, the graffiti incidents targeting African-American students, allegedly, Air Force Academy, where a general literally had to show up on campus and speak denouncing racism.

A young black girl in Grand Rapids who claimed that boorish white men literally urinated on her, pretty painful to read.

Keyan College with the death threats.

Wisconsin Parkside with the nooses, just a few more, but I mean, UVA, the Virginia quote-unquote rape scandal a couple of years ago where the fraternities were allegedly running anti-feminist rape rings that made the front cover Rolling Stone, kind of the OG scandal, Duke La Crosse.

All of these turned out to be fake.

And because I had personally had some connection with two fake hate crime incidents in Chicago as a graduate student, one of the city's best-known sort of young hipster bars burned down.

The owner said that this was because he was a gay man.

That turned out to be false.

I became interested in why there was this remarkably high rate of false reporting in this category.

So, I mean, I think there's some good jokes and so on in the book, but I used modern scientific technology to look into why.

So, what you found, I'll let you reveal, but it is

very Sololinsky in a way.

It's very progressive in a way that

people feel

justified in doing it.

Yeah, well, I think

that's an excellent point.

So, I think there are a couple of levels there.

The first is just that there are a very large number of hate crime hoaxes and frauds.

This isn't, as it's sometimes presented.

I think there's an article in Vox actually after Jesse Smollett, just a few cases being amplified by the right.

I mean, putting together hoax, I was able to fairly easily compile a data set of 409 confirmed hate crime hoaxes.

That's currently up to 516.

Almost all of these occurred within the last five years, as I said.

That data set's available to anyone who wants it, by the way.

I've gone on a range of right and left media.

I'm very confident in that.

Would you put what was the kid's name that was killed with the hoodie?

You know, this could be my son.

Trayvon Martin.

Trayvon Martin.

Would you put Trayvon Martin in that category?

No, actually,

because I think this is something that will be challenged, not just in that public sector where I enjoy debating and arguing, but in academia, I defined a hate crime hoax very narrowly, actually.

The data set easily could be three or four times as large as it is.

And I explicitly didn't include most sexual assaults.

There's a fairly high rate of false reporting there as well, especially on the campus.

And I explicitly didn't include a lot of these police shootings.

And the reason for that is that there was no filed charge of hate crime.

The initial allocation was that this is a hate crime per se.

But if you look at a bunch of those, like Michael Brown, that is, I would say, an additional example, a different type of example of a false created narrative.

If you remember, hands up, don't shoot.

Yes.

The gentle giant, he was walking away from the police.

They said he had tears on his face.

Right.

And he was shot down in cold blood.

It turns out that Michael Brown had committed a strong-armed robbery of another person of color, sympathetic local store owner, well-liked, earlier that day.

He came into conflict with the police because he was walking literally down the median of a busy street.

Cop couldn't tolerate that, got out of his car to confront him.

Brown grabbed the officer's gun.

These are big men.

I mean, Michael Brown was 17, 18, 6'5.

Darren Wilson was 6'4.

There's a vicious struggle.

Brown's fingerprints are on the slide of the weapon, the trigger guard of the weapon.

I mean, I'm a pistol instructor.

I know what that means.

Wilson finally discharges, I believe, two shots, and unfortunately, there's a death.

But many of those narratives, and this will be in my next book, actually, but many of these narratives that come out of the Black Lives Matter movement, and also the alt-right response to that, by the way, are, in addition, fictional.

But those are not in this book.

This is just about fake hate crimes, and there were more than enough to fill up a book.

You know, I want to go deeper into this with you.

I'm going to take a break for a minute.

But I have to ask you this.

You're also

a gun instructor?

Yeah, I'm a pistol instructor for the National Rifle Association.

I also do hand-to-hand combat martial arts.

But, I mean, the ability to kill your enemies is exactly equivalent to the right to be free.

How the hell are you a professor?

I mean,

you are an oddball.

How did you get that job?

Let me say that.

How did you keep that job?

Well, there's a funny answer there, and that's that I teach in a historically black college.

Political correctness, minorities, blacks and Asians, tend to vote for conservative but Democratic political candidates.

Vote heavily for the Democrats.

I'd like to see that change so there's more valuation of your vote.

But the entire far-left culture of outrage, whether that's the trans movement, perhaps, or constant marches through campus against racism, that's to a large extent absent from the black colleges where everyone in leadership is an upper middle class black guy.

So, I mean, I would say that probably 20% of our professors are conservatives.

I would say I've gotten really no backlash about writing the book.

So, it is interesting to contrast that at Kentucky.

Wow.

It's interesting to contract that with a primarily white institution of equivalent size and rank, where you'd be talking about Evergreen State, Portland State, Drake.

So, again, obviously, heavily Democratic voters to some extent when we vote in the black community, but every single one of the most extreme, outraged leftists I've ever met is a privileged upper-middle-class white kid.

So, I actually think that where I am teaching, it is fairly accepted that I've written a right-leaning book.

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Professor of Political Science, Dr.

Will Riley, he is the author of Hate Crime Hoax.

So

tell me, Will, why

people are doing this at such a great rate?

That's a great question.

I think that there are two real reasons you can discuss.

First, at the individual level, I have a law degree as well as a PhD, and I've always found that people commit crimes for sort of tawdry personal reasons, money, sex, local notoriety.

You see that at the individual level with hate crime hoaxers as well.

So for example, there was a case involving the business Cottonille Spices Cash and Carry, which was a Muslim Arab American owned business.

The owner burnt this to the ground essentially to commit an act of insurance fraud and wrote things like Arab go home throughout the business, which he thought would speed up the insurance investigation and make him sympathetic.

And that was nearly successful.

So that is one level of motivation.

At the next level of motivation, though, the reason these cases get famous is that you have an extraordinarily entrenched grievance industry in the USA.

And they have a problem economically

because at this point in history, the demand for bigots greatly exceeds the supply.

So

in entire areas of U.S.

public life, whether that's affirmative action, minority set-asides, I mean, you might be interested.

No, I could buy a radio station at about half price.

Whether that's the budgets for the massive activist groups, I always mention when I speak, Southern Poverty Law Center's endowment is up to $432 million as of last year.

Yeah, that's actually slightly more than my university, which is a state institution.

I mean, that's just below the Ivy League in terms of endowments.

I mean, that's something very different from current liquid capital.

And

it is clearly, clearly an organ of the left.

Well, yeah, I think that's you've seen that pretty recently where fairly mainstream groups, Quilliam Foundation, Family Research Council, certainly conservative, but I think they were added to the list because of their views on LGBT rights.

But I mean, very mainstream groups, sort of center-right entity like Quilliam, have been declared hate groups, and they've begun to sue.

I mean, Quilliam was awarded $3 million very recently, and I agree with that verdict from a legal background.

But essentially, the justification for the existence of this entire substructure of society, where, you know, $1.12 interacts in some way with an affirmative action program, we say in business, or SPLC has a half billion dollar endowment.

The justification is that we're still at war here in the USA.

There's still violent racial abuse fairly frequently at a fairly high level.

And we find empirically that that is not true.

The USA desegregated in 1954.

At that time, the only remaining legally segregated region of the country was the Deep South.

Civil Rights Act 1965 made racism criminally and civilly illegal.

Pro-minority affirmative action, which didn't hurt me when I was applying to law school, began in 1967.

It's 52 years old.

So in fact, it takes a lot of effort to come up with enough bigotry to justify all of this.

And where none can be found, some might have to be invented.

So have you found a coordinated effort or like

Small Yet?

I don't know what his motivation was.

Some say it was for his profile or show or whatever, but

I believe there are a lot of people that

believe that this stuff is happening and we know it.

We just have to get out and make the case.

And because it's all unreported or because of that, I'm justified in

creating this because it gets the word out.

Well, I think there are two levels of analysis there.

So first of all, although I view them as political opponents, you know, the other team, obviously the SPLC isn't out there faking hate crimes, but are individuals falsifying hate crimes because they believe that they are contributing,

because they believe that they are falsifying something that frequently occurs in reality?

Absolutely, yes.

We saw a case at the University of Michigan where a young woman, Haley Bass,

claimed that she was brutally attacked because she was wearing pins symbolizing American and European conservative causes.

Turned out to be a fake and sympathetic character.

Nobody's even discussed that in great depth.

But the motivator for her doing this was another claim on the Michigan campus that a hijabi Muslim woman had been threatened with a beating and was being set on fire if she didn't take off her hijab.

And that turned out to be fake.

And the case that inspired that one turned out to be fake.

So yeah, I think that there very definitely is at the individual level a narrative of I'm fighting for social justice by doing this.

I think that the more dangerous or influential level there, though, occurs when you start talking about the media or about discursive creators.

So, I mean, there's a very old line from Mark Twain.

It's always a problem to pick a fight with people that buy ink by the barrel.

And you could add, have, you know, professional video and movie cameras to that today.

So many of the things that are presented to the average American taxpayer by the MSM, the center left mass media, are not real.

And I talk about this in the book, actually.

You brought up Black Lives Matter.

I hadn't seen this done by anyone but Heather McDonald, who was an actual scientist.

So I used resources like killedbypolice.net to find out how many brothers, how many African American men were actually being killed by police in a typical year.

And it turns out to be a tiny infinitesimal number.

In the year I used, 2015, there were less than 1,200 people killed by police in any way, including auto-recked, in the whole country.

Of those, only 258 were African-American.

Of those, only 200 were actually killed by violence, and so on down the line.

So what you finally wound up with was, and my numbers might be off by one or two, but 17 unarmed black men in the country of 350 million people were killed specifically by white police officers.

The reason we think this is a narrative is that every single one of those cases is going to be broadcast by media resources like CNN and MSNBC.

And this kind of narrative creation occurs in a lot of different arenas.

For example, so interracial crime is something that people with PhDs in the media sector have found attracts the attention of all major races.

It's clickbait, if you will.

But the problem here is that interracial crime itself is not a problem in the United States.

If you look at murder, 85% of white murder victims, 94% of black murder victims, that's unbelievable, are killed by people of the same race.

A person most likely to kill you is your ex-wife.

Further, when murder does occur interracially, or when crime occurs interracially, that's about 70 plus percent black on white, not vice versa.

So to get this entire narrative of whites frequently attacking law-abiding middle-class black people, you essentially are taking a tiny number of cases and either exaggerating them wildly or simply repeating the same stories over and over.

And that's what I mean by narrative creation.

So, first of all, let me tell you what I got out of that.

And I got a lot, but the main thing was kill your ex-wife before she kills you.

Definitely, you hit on the high point.

You're just

how do you respond to

you're just somebody that is, you know, another white racist that is trying to cover the tracks

of of you know your

you know your

your the your masters that are pulling your strings well glib i mean you kind of gave me a softball there the quickest answer is that i'm black um but i mean being being a bit less glib i mean i'm a pro-black black professor at a you know nationally respected black college i mean there's still 130 odd hbcus that rank pretty well among the nation's colleges so no i'm not a racist at all.

And I think the labeling

in the U.S., this is actually something that goes beyond partisanship.

The sort of internet troll culture that spread out of 4chan, where any liberal debater is, you know, a damn red commie and any conservative debater is a racist.

I don't think that's really productive at all.

No, I'm center-right politically.

I am not racist.

I'm not.

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So, I think that if you're a normal taxpayer and someone comes up to you and says, you're a racist, the default response should be, you're a bleeping idiot.

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Like, I mean, I played high school varsity sports with mostly black teams.

I have a lot of black buddies because I'm black.

I wouldn't say that at all.

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well I'm

I'm glad you're here today this is the Glenn Beck program

I'm breaking a, what, about an 18-year tradition this weekend of avoiding Tony Robbins.

Tony,

the motivational speaker yeah I watched him like 18 years ago something like that and I was like man I got this guy is great this guy is great

and I was so excited when I watched him and I ordered that stupid you know 39 set CD DVD thing to get yourself motivated it arrived cost me I don't know how much it cost me it arrived I never had the motivation to open it I really I was like

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I mean, that's really Tony's fault.

I agree.

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No, I was motivated to show up to Hawaii, but then he's going to make me do stuff.

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That's closer.

Why don't you come see me in California?

Come to California.

I didn't even answer that phone call.

And

now he had a friend call last week, a friend of mine and a friend of his who said, Tony wants to see you.

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I, you know, my schedule is so busy.

I just don't know if I can.

And he's, and he kept talking about it and talking about it.

And he's like, look, I'm going to bring my son.

You bring your son.

And I'm like, my son needs motivation.

why don't you just take my son and i'll stay home and uh and so he got me with a son thing and i'm like okay

so now i'm going tomorrow to spend three days with tony robbins and

i mean he's got his work cut out for him because

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have you ever been to a place like anything, if you've ever like,

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You want to stop, you want to get, you want to be thin, but tomorrow.

Right.

You know, it's like, I really want motivation, but not now.

I'm too busy.

I'm tired.

Yeah.

This is a situation where like you bump into your doctor in the grocery store and they say, dude, that what's that big bump on your neck?

That looks like a tumor.

You should come in and see me right away.

And you're like, oh, but if I go, I'm going to have to, I got to, they're going to talk to me about tumor.

I'm going to have to stop smoking.

I'm going to have to, you know, I'm going to have to win surgery or something.

I don't want to deal with that.

So, even though I know I have an issue that I want to solve, I don't want to actually.

I mean, what's really horrible is I pursued Tony.

I, I called Tony, and I'm like, Tony, I really.

And he's like, dude, I'll help you, man.

That's easy.

Let's go.

And

I wonder how many people are like that with Tony.

Because, you know, I want to be around a bunch of people who are like, hey, I mean, energized, shush.

Too much energy.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

It's like, like a morning people.

Yeah.

He's kind of like a constant morning person.

Yeah.

It's like, Tony, can we get a, when do we, I'm motivated to take a nap.

When are we going to take a nap?

It'd be really funny if you got out there and he was just like slounging around on this couch all day.

He's like, I got nothing.

I got nothing.

I'm just in my boxers.

He doesn't even get dressed when he comes in.

Here's the deal.

Just

go home and do what you were doing before and just be cool with it.

This is just an excuse for the wife.

Tellery came out here and he got motivated.

Let's just watch Netflix.

I'm cool with that.

That would be a cool one.

By the way,

I was very motivated to see the Ricky Gervais show on Netflix.

Very motivated.

Yeah, there's a new one, right?

What's the name?

After Death.

Afterlife.

Afterlife.

It is so good.

Really?

It is so good.

Now, I want you to know that it's English, and they use use the C word there, but the C word doesn't mean the same thing there as it does here.

That should have been Tucker Carlson's defense.

Right, right.

English, I swear.

I don't think he used the C word.

Oh, did he?

That was part of the tape.

Anyway, but

they use it in a different way.

It doesn't mean the same.

I honestly think he used it in that way.

What does it actually mean, Tucker Carlson?

What does it mean in

Great Britain?

Where's craig somebody

don't no no he'll still say it we can't no he won't say it he won't but he'll tell you what it was because i asked him i'm like what is your deal he's craig is my new assistant uh and uh he is from scotland yes and uh and and i'm and i just asked him at one point what is your deal meaning you people that lived on that island what is your deal with the use of the c word and he's like it's crazy he's like it's just it's what we call blokes you know, he's like,

that's what we call each other.

He said, it's not like it is here.

And I'm like, well, it is here.

And he's like, oh, no, I learned that quickly,

quickly not to use that word.

That's tremendous.

Because they also have the F word slur for gays.

But that means cigarettes.

But it means cigarettes.

And I mean,

that can be a real problem.

Cultural

can be a problem.

If, you know, there might be like some country

in the world where the N-word means

cereal.

That would be a real problem if he came over to visit.

But what this show is, I have never seen a show like this.

And this is truly an example of the golden age of television.

There's no network that would have ever allowed this to go on.

Not because of just the language, which is strong at times,

but

because

it's real, it really is real.

It starts out with this guy who lost his wife

and she died of cancer.

And they were, and that's Ricky Gervais.

It's his wife.

And he's just devastated.

He loved her,

you know, like nobody, like I love Tanya, just

crushed without her.

Okay.

And so he's really depressed and suicidal.

And just as like, you know, he's decided, why am I accepting any social norms?

And these aren't funny social norms.

I mean, he is in the first episode, he is so dark.

He's just telling people,

you know, hey, you've got a great opportunity.

No, you don't.

Life is horrible.

People are horrible.

They're a virus.

It would be better if everyone was dead.

I'm thinking about killing myself.

I thought about it this morning.

I might just go upstairs and throw myself off the building and I mean it.

And you're like, okay.

And so he's really dark.

And the way the show is, it's only five or six episodes and it shows him healing and it shows him figuring out,

no, wait, it's not about me.

And because he's an atheist and he's like, you know, well, I don't, I'm not living.

I'd rather be nowhere than here without her.

And,

you know, I don't believe in God, so I don't have to be nice to anybody.

I don't have to do anything.

I can just die tomorrow, and I'm going to the same place, and I'd rather die.

And it shows through this series of people that he meets and friends and things that he does, how he gets through that.

And by the end, really,

by the second episode, you love this character.

And it's not, you know.

And he's not likable.

Is it all serious?

Is it just a drama or series of music?

So

the first one, it said it's comedy.

And the first one I watched, the first episode, I'm like, that wasn't funny.

And then the second one was like, that had some funny parts.

And the third one, this is getting funny.

Fourth one, the fifth one, which is the one, it's six episodes.

The fifth one I watched last night with Tanya.

I love listening to my wife laugh.

It is my favorite thing in the whole world.

What heaven will be to me is Tanya laughing.

I just love it.

She has the funniest laugh, and I love it when she's happy.

And you lost the ability to make her laugh

20 years ago.

No, but I gained it last night.

I said, honey, honey, honey, come here.

You have to watch this scene.

And it was a scene that we laughed so hard.

She couldn't breathe.

I couldn't breathe.

And when we caught our breath, I said, let's watch it again.

And she was like, no, no, I heard, I heard it.

And then we watched it again.

It was hysterical.

One of the funniest things I have seen in forever, forever.

You will love this.

You've sold me.

I have to watch this.

It is, it is,

it's an atheist.

I just want to warn you going in.

If you're somebody who's like, I don't like atheists, well, you're not going to like this show then.

If you can't handle rough language, it's very rough language.

If you don't like darkness, and I don't mean darkness like an evil, I mean...

They deal with, I mean, he starts taking heroin.

He's like, why not?

Why not?

I've never tried heroin.

I thought the same thing this morning.

Why not?

I've never tried it.

It's probably great.

People seem to really like it.

Want some?

Anyway,

it's a rough show.

Yeah, it's a rough show, but it is really good.

Ricky Gervais is brilliant.

If you can just give this cell to Tony Robbins, there's no way you're doing any work this way.

Oh, see, I'm done.

Just be like, dude, we can watch this.

It's great.

You've got to see it, Tony.

And give him the whole cell.

I wonder who's better at selling

him or me.

I tell you what, Tony, by the end of the week, I'll either be walking on the coals or you'll be watching Ricky Gervais with me.

I think there's a chance that he turns out this weekend is just never motivated again.

Like, you ruin his entire career because he just becomes a sloth like you.

I have to call him Banana Hands, and I haven't done that yet.

And I hope that, I mean, he's 6'7.

Do I risk the...

No, he'll kill you.

But that'll be funny.

It was in a movie he was called Banana Hands.

Yeah, yeah.

Brilliant, controlled script environment.

You'll get killed.

Right.

You think so?

Yeah.

I mean, he seems like he, you know, he's got a sense of humor.

Well, yeah, find out.

You should try it, definitely.

I'm going to.

This is what I'm going to say.

Because we've not met each other.

We've talked to each other, but we've not met each other.

And that's how I'm going to go.

I'm going to walk right up to him, put my hand out, banana hands,

and then see how it goes from there.

I bet well.

You should definitely try it.

And also have it filmed just a bit.

How much,

I mean, what are the odds that I don't do that, Stu?

Yeah, you probably will.

Because you're thinking it might get you out of the weekend.

I'm just saying.

I am just saying.

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Part one today, part two tomorrow.

Also, we had a lot of conversation about freedom of speech today and what is freedom of speech and

how are we empowering those who are

stopping freedom of speech?

Well,

we've looked at Media Matters a little bit the last couple of days because of the Tucker Carlson story.

Daily Caller decided to go back and look at what was the head of Media Matters writing at the time Tucker Carlson was going on Bubba the Love Sponge.

What were his words like at that point?

Apparently he had a blog.

You know, and he's not a person who's known for really anything, but he had a blog.

And he wrote about

how

derogatory

references to trannies,

jewelry.

Oh, my gosh.

Not jewelry, but jewelry.

And Bangladeshis.

He said

he couldn't believe that they would use the word attractive in describing someone who was from Bangladesh.

He said that

he wrote about an author.

Is that writer a tranny lover?

He went on to say that people who

should stay away from tranny bars and stay away from places where Eddie Murphy and Robert Downey Jr.

are visiting.

Don't effing kiss a transvestite and don't bring a group of transvestites back to your room.

He went on and on

and also called people from Japan Japs.

Oh my gosh.

Yep.

So, of course, this is exactly,

and this is part of a strategy.

It's bigger than just him being as bad as he is, and he obviously not a good guy.

But this is why you put a giant zilch in front of one of these, on top of one of these organizations, because there's no loss, right?

It's why terrorists put on, you know, they put a vest not on Osama bin Laden, but on some Dolt down the street so they can walk out there and blow themselves up to do the damage.

That's the theory behind Media Matters.

It's why David Brock isn't there anymore.

He's doing other stuff.

He's living the high life, and he puts Dolts like this in this position of power so that if he gets taken out, it doesn't matter.

It's essentially a terrorist attack.

He blows himself up with a suicide vest.

He blows himself up with a suicide.

And you know what's amazing is there's been no pushback on him.

I bet you he still is that guy.

I bet he's still that guy.

Because, yes, you're right.

He doesn't have any, he doesn't have anybody pushing back on him.

You're listening to Glenn Beck.