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Now under the spotlight of the all-powerful Media Matters.

We begin there in one minute.

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he responded to what Media Matters is doing now to him.

We've seen this movie before.

We've seen somebody chased out by something they said in old comments.

But the comments that I have seen are from a Bubba the Love Sponge show, which isn't always known for its tact

and its acceptance in polite society.

Yeah, it's amazing.

I was amazed at all the people, the blue check marks on Twitter, shocked that there could be a show named Bubba the Love Sponge.

Coming from, I swear, the same people who wrote think piece after think piece about how the death of Gawker was the death of journalism.

You do remember that he was very

prominent in that story with Hulk Hogan, and that was the whole story surrounded Bubba the Love Sponge.

The guy's one of the most successful radio hosts in the country and has been for a long time.

These are the same people that listen to Howard Stern every day.

Stop it.

Oh, my panties are so dainty.

Oh, shut up.

Oh, at one point they're like, you know, he's like, Elena Kagan is not attractive.

And then they have the cable news thing that they do, Glenn, because they'll play the clips.

And it's like Tucker Carlson says something that's offensive and then comes out to silence.

Wow.

I

okay uh

okay uh hold on let me just gather myself.

He he just he's

no he just stayed.

I just oh

I am what I can do.

I can't can you even believe wow a lot of people might I this is how I got my joke job on CNN.

Hold on

I've never he said darn

hold on

Pull yourself together.

Pull yourself together.

Pull yourself together.

You know you can get through this.

You know you can get through this.

Oh my gosh.

He

okay.

You

heard that.

I, he, they have not a pop.

Oh,

could we play?

Could we play the clip again?

Could we play the clip again?

I don't think I could hear that again.

All right.

No.

This fake outrage

is so bad.

You are not outraged by the woman who had to take her 17-year-old daughter in her arms.

She weighs 20 pounds.

20.

She had to take her up in her own arms and walk her to the morgue because

the socialist can't run a power plant.

She died.

She starved to death under socialism.

You people brought that to Venezuela.

You are the very very people that held Chavez up as a great model.

You were the people that cheered that Barack Obama took that anti-American book from Chavez.

You said this was great.

Now you're saying, oh, well, yes, but it's not Chavez, it's Maduro.

No, no, no, no, no.

That's called democratic socialism.

You want the people to be able to vote, and they did.

They voted in a bus driver who could feel the pain of the people.

And then

he became president.

And lo and behold, he didn't know how to run the country.

You see, you have a problem when you set something up under one guy, and then you have a democracy, a democracy, not a republic, a democracy that has direct elections.

And so they elected this guy because socialism is neat and he'll give us even more stuff.

And as soon as it went wrong, guess what happens?

He shuts off elections.

He tampers with the elections.

Now you can claim, well, he wasn't, he wasn't really elected.

Yes, he was once.

This is how it always ends with democratic socialists.

This is the way it always ends.

And you are upset about something that Tucker Carlson said on a comedy show, a show called Bubba the Love Sponge.

You are somehow shocked and horrified that he might have said something in 2006.

And anyone who defends Tucker Carlson, oh my gosh, well, look at the anti- the anti-female, the misogynist, the anti-homosexual tirade just continues now with this person.

No,

no, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with anything that Tucker Carlson said, but I am not going to be outraged by something that was said in a comedic sense in 2006 when people have to go carry their dead children

who

weighed more at their death than my six-year-old son did,

and they're 10 years older.

I really am going to kind of put my outrage in the right place.

And I really,

really am not going to accept the moral outrage and the moral lectures from Media Matters.

Media Matters is the biggest hack job you've ever seen.

It is a direct threat to the American Republic.

And anyone who is a journalist, you are being fed propaganda and you're gobbling it up knowingly.

You know who these people are.

You don't care.

You'll take anyone to this, anyone who stands in your way and you will just paint them all the same.

and you'll destroy them.

I got news for you.

After you lose the voices like mine, like Tucker's, people who will actually stand up for you when you are in trouble for what you said, and you, we will stand up, and I have a long record of it, standing up for people like Bill Maher

weeks after 9-11 and ABC fires him.

I have a record of standing up for James Gunn.

who said horrible things about a friend of mine, but I didn't think he should be fired.

I will stand up for you, but after you silence voices like me,

oh,

I will be standing somewhere, be it in under a bridge or in a prison.

It doesn't matter where they put me.

All I want is access to a little bit of news to watch, to see how long it will be before you join me under that bridge, before you join me in the next cell, because after they come for us, they come for you.

But maybe, perhaps, oh, I wish, I hope, oh, rainbows are ponies.

I know you believe that this time they'll get it right.

But seeing democratic socialism seems to always end the same way.

I'll see you under that bridge soon.

I haven't even said anything I wanted to say.

I don't even know where that monologue came from.

I've got a lot to say today.

And I want to play Tucker Carlson's monologue from yesterday.

My defense of him is not a defense of what he may or may not have said.

I don't care.

I don't care.

You are only saying these things because Tucker Carlson is effective.

That's the only reason.

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Here's Tucker Carlson last night.

As anyone who's ever been caught in its gears can tell you, the great American outrage machine is a remarkable thing.

One day you're having dinner with your family, imagining everything is fine.

The next, your phone is exploding with calls from reporters.

They read you snippets from a press release written by Democratic Party operatives.

They demand to know how you could possibly have said something so awful and offensive.

Do you have a statement on how immoral you are?

It's a bewildering moment, especially when the quotes in question are more than a decade old.

There's really not that much you can do to respond.

It's pointless to try to explain how the words were spoken in jest or taken out of context, or in any case bear no resemblance to what you actually think or would want for the country.

None of that matters.

Nobody cares.

You know the role you're required to play.

You are a sinner begging the forgiveness of Twitter.

So you issue a statement of deep contrition.

You apologize profusely for your transgressions.

You promise to be a better person going forward.

With the guidance of your contrition consultants, you send money to whatever organization claims to represent the people you supposedly offended.

Then you sit back and brace for a wave of stories about your apology, all of which are simply pretexts for attacking you again.

In the end, you get fired.

You lose your job.

Nobody defends you.

Your neighbors avert their gaze as you pull into the driveway.

You are ruined.

And yet, no matter how bad it gets, no matter how despised and humiliated you may be, there is one thing you can never do, one thing that is absolutely not allowed.

You can never acknowledge the comic absurdity of the whole thing.

You can never laugh in the face of the mob.

You must always pretend that the people yelling at you are somehow your moral superiors.

You have to assume that what they say they're mad about is what they're actually mad about.

You have to take them at face value.

You must pretend this is a debate about virtue and not about power.

That your critics are arguing from principle and not from partisanship.

No matter what they take from you in the end, you must continue to pretend that these things are true.

You are bad.

They are good.

The system is on the level.

But what if we stopped pretending for a minute?

What if we acknowledged what's actually going on?

One side is deadly serious.

They believe that politics is war.

They're not interested in abstractions or principles, rules, or traditions.

They seek power.

and they plan to win it whatever it takes.

If that includes getting you fired or silencing you or threatening your family at home or throwing you in prison, okay.

They know what their goal is.

If you're in the way, they will crush you.

What's interesting is how reliably the other side pretends that none of this is happening.

Republicans in Washington do a fairly credible imitation of an opposition party.

They still give speeches, they tweet quite a bit, they make concerned noises about how liberals are bad.

But on the deepest level, it's all oppose.

In their minds, where it matters, Republican leaders are controlled by the left.

They know exactly what they're allowed to say and believe.

They know what the rules are.

They may understand that those rules are written by the very people who seek their destruction.

They ruthlessly enforce them anyway.

Republicans in Washington police their own with a never-ending enthusiasm.

Like trustees at a prison, they dutifully report back to the warden, hoping for perks.

Nobody wants to be be called names.

Nobody wants to be Trump.

How many times have you seen it happen?

Some conservative figure will say something stupid or incomplete or too far outside the bounds of received wisdom for the moral guardians of cable news.

Twitter goes bonkers.

The mob demands a response.

Very often, the first people calling for the destruction of that person are Republican leaders.

You saw it with the Covington Catholic High School kids.

You see it all the time.

Kevin McCarthy spends half his day telling Republican members not to criticize progressive orthodoxy.

Paul Ryan did the same before him.

A couple of years ago, the entire Democratic Party decided to deny the biological reality of sex differences, an idea that's as insane as it is dangerous.

Republican leaders decided not to criticize them for it.

They might get upset.

This is a system built on deceit and enforced silence.

Hypocrisy is its hallmark.

Yet in Washington, it's considered rude to ask questions about how exactly it works.

Why are the people who considered Bill Clinton a hero lecturing me about sexism?

How can the party that demands racial quotas denounce other people as racist?

After a while, you begin to think that maybe their criticisms aren't sincere.

Maybe their moral puffery is a costume.

Maybe the whole conversation is an absurd joke.

Maybe we're falling for it.

You sometimes hear modern progressives described as new Puritans.

That's a slur on colonial Americans.

Whatever their flaws, the Puritans cared about the fate of the human soul and the moral regeneration of their society.

Those are not topics that interest progressives.

They're too busy pushing late-term abortion and cross-dressing on fifth graders.

These are the people who write our movies and our sitcoms.

They are not shocked by naughty words.

They just pretend to be when it's useful.

It's been very useful lately.

The left's main goal, in case you haven't noticed, is controlling what you think.

In order to do that, they have to control the information that you receive.

Google and Facebook and Twitter are fully on board with that.

They're happy to ban unapproved thoughts, and they don't apologize for it.

They often do.

So do the other cable channels and virtually every major news outlet in this country.

One of the only places left in the United States where independent thoughts are allowed is right here, the opinion hours on this network.

Just a few hours in a sea of television programming.

It's not much, relatively speaking.

For the left, it's unacceptable.

They demand total conformity.

Since the day we went on the air, they've been working hard to kill this show.

We haven't said much about it in public.

It seemed too self-referential.

The point of this show has never been us.

But now it's obvious to everybody.

There's no pretending that it's not happening.

It is happening.

And so going forward, we'll be covering their efforts to make us be quiet.

For now, though, just two points to leave you with.

First, Fox News is behind us, as they have been since the very first day.

Toughness is a rare quality at a TV network, and we are grateful for that.

Second, we've always apologized when we're wrong, and we'll continue to do that.

That's what decent people do, they apologize.

But we will never bow to the mob, ever, no matter what.

A

men,

which is

just a fancy word with I agree.

That's what the amen means.

I agree.

A

men.

This is all about the next presidential election.

This has nothing.

They've saved these things.

They've built this case.

They went back and looked for things that you could be outraged about, America.

They're not outraged by it.

They looked for things.

Nobody was bringing this up.

Somebody went and did dirty ops to try to find something that they could take from a Bubba the Love Sponge show

and then show to you when, when, what's really happening.

It's called upfronts.

This is when all of the media gathers together and those networks sell their commercials a year in advance.

Well, God forbid, you can't have, you can't.

Are you going to advertise?

Guess who's having a rally today?

Media matters.

They've got the posters.

They've got the banners.

Fox hates bigots, racists, and they're all going to be picketing today.

You know where?

At the meeting of all of the advertisers.

That's all this is about.

They are using you.

Nobody wants to be Trump.

You know, when we say, when we come out and we say, wow, the Covington kids, the first day when that comes out, we were the first to say, if that happened, that's really bad.

I don't support it.

Why?

Because we believe it.

Because we believe it.

But we were the only ones that when we found out that's not what happened, we were the only ones that said, Covington Catholic, we are sorry for saying those things.

We're sorry you didn't do that.

Did the left?

Did the moral media?

Absolutely not.

I haven't haven't even gotten into my prepared stuff yet.

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This is the Glenn Beck program talking about Tucker Carlson, and I want to make it very clear.

I do not

defend anyone else's statements.

I'm my own person.

But what I do defend is their right to say it, especially when it's comedic.

You people who are all offended when he said something outrageous, you know, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

This is, you know what this is?

This is the writer's scare of 1950.

this is taking people who have anything really to say

anything that will push back on the edges of society and getting rid of them just throw them in jail they're just not doing it with the government they know because of the first amendment as it stands yet today but that's going to change soon i think the government can't come in and take control of the media and so they have their henchmen do it you know it's it's it's really I was thinking about this this morning.

It's really appropriate that Media Matters is a Democratic operative because really

they haven't changed the tactics from when the Democrats were using the Klan.

I mean, that's all they do.

They put on a hood.

You don't really know who they are.

They make these charges.

They burn a cross in your front yard.

And anybody who rushes into your defense and says, hey,

they'll string you up too.

So really, the Democrats, I mean, once the the Klan, always the Klan.

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Pat.

You really surprised me today because

I had always thought that the Bubba, the Love Sponge show, was a lot like NPR's Frontline.

And you seem to be saying something different today.

No, no, it's not.

No, nobody drinks tea or coffee with their pinky in the air.

That's weird.

Yeah.

That is weird.

Because you would expect some really hard-hitting investigative journalism from Tucker on Bubba the Love Sponge.

Right.

And you would not, you would, here's what you wouldn't expect: somebody to say something comedic that would be irresponsible.

No, that would be stunning.

Yeah, irresponsible, comedic conversations on a show called Bubba the Love Sponge.

What?

I love that they all introduced it.

It was on a shock jock program.

The word shock is in the title of your description.

Right.

So the whole point is to go on and say things that are shocking.

And I don't think you...

Listen to this.

It was on a shock jock program called...

Bubba the Love Sponge.

I don't think you need to tell us it's a shock jock show.

I think we got it.

I think we got it.

Apparently we don't, though.

Apparently not.

No, well, selectively, we don't.

Yes.

You know, once in a while, if people will listen to it and they'll go, oh, that's funny.

Whoa, that's a little shocking.

But the minute politics can be used.

Oh.

Oh, I'm shocked.

What is this?

Yeah.

Bubba, the love.

What?

Who?

How could you possibly?

That is.

What are you...

Are you a love sponge?

Are you insinuating that, there it is, men keeping women down have to use a love sponge?

I mean, all these people, you point out correctly, that these are the people that are listening to Howard Stern, the ones that are so offended on the air.

You know, it wasn't the Christian conservative audience that made Howard Stern the number one show in America.

It's not the people that are writing shows for Charlie Sheen.

Right.

Those are the people they're so offended by this.

Daddy, you're writing shows for Charlie Sheen.

Where they're like, Tucker Carlson goes on Shock Jock Show and mocks child rape.

And you're like, whoa, we may mock child rape.

And then you listen to it and he's like, well, there's a teacher who had sex with a student, a female teacher with a male student,

and they had sex in a week 28 times.

And Tucker's like, wow, 28 times.

Could you do that, Bubba?

Could you?

There's the mocking of child rape that we're so upset about.

These from the people that nominated Call Me By Your Name, an actual glorification of the same thing happening with a guy, a male teacher having sex with a 17-year-old male student.

And they nominated that for best picture two years ago.

But they're so offended by Tucker's comments.

And

they call it child rape.

In the movie, they call it Oscar nominated.

This same era was when, I mean, you want to go down the list of, remember the movie The Aristocrats?

Yeah.

Now, The Aristocrats is about a joke.

And it's the whole point of the joke.

It's what you'd say was essentially a shock jock joke.

The point of it is to say the most disgusting, horrible things you can possibly say in the joke.

That's the whole point.

And you go through the list.

It's not all conservatives on there.

I don't see Tucker Carlson's name in the credits.

You got Lewis Black, who's a Mr.

Liberal.

You've got Whoopi Goldberg was in it.

You've got,

let's see.

And if we took all of those things and we just put them out and said, look what Whippy Goldberg said.

Look at what she said.

Oh, yeah.

They would scream.

In context.

Right, of course.

But they don't care about context.

No.

Her excuse would be, this was comedy.

Of course.

And there's

comedy.

And they would be absolutely right.

But we will honestly say that, but they won't because they don't care.

The ends justify the means.

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look how

vigilant they've been in trying to get people off the air.

Started with you, probably on Fox.

That's what Cheryl Atkinson said.

And boycotting sponsors.

And at one point, we had lost, I think, over 900 sponsors on the show.

They were never sponsored.

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Another radio sponsor dropped from Glenn Beck, Mercedes-Benz.

Yeah, Mercedes has never

been on.

Never.

And then they did the same thing to Hannity.

Then they did the same thing to Laura Ingram.

And now they're doing it to Duck Franklin.

You're forgetting about Bill O'Reilly.

Billy.

Yeah, they did it to Bill.

Yeah.

I mean, this is what they do.

I mean, and Imus, really, before that.

Yeah, Imus was the first.

Imus was the first.

I mean, it's all just ridiculous.

And the fact that they don't know this, I mean, they do know this playbook.

It's the same 12 people with the same nonsensical crap.

And all of these companies know exactly what it is.

They're just using it as an excuse to be able to go out and target the speech they don't like.

You know, journalists are doing it.

You know, one of the

top guys at Media Matters.

You know who he is, right?

The guy who started,

he was a college student, and in his spare time, he started stopbeck.com.

Oh, that's right.

Okay.

That's the guy now that they have on MSNBC.

He was only hired because

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Do you know why other nations are rising up and standing in the streets?

Why you have so many professors in Canada standing up and defending free speech far more than what we have here in America.

Do you know why?

I was told by one of them

because

you're under this delusion that you think your government will just

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But I fear it's growing even later for us

in this new democratic socialist utopia we're headed toward.

We begin there in one minute.

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You know,

in the free market system, Stu,

I could come up with my Cinnabon perfume and I'd let the market, I'd let the people decide, not like you in your socialist democracy.

I have Justin Haskins on who's going to...

who's going to agree with me.

The free market is the right way to figure this Cinnabon thing out, isn't it, Justin?

Yeah,

I think it's the right way to go.

I certainly don't want the government coming up with a Cinnabon perfume.

Well, they wouldn't.

They wouldn't.

They wouldn't.

That's a good point.

They would never do that.

They would never do that.

I don't know what the people want.

Right, right.

All right.

So you're the author of Socialism is Evil, and I've been reading it, and it's a quick read.

It's like, what is it, 80 pages?

Yeah, like 75 pages or something.

So it's a quick read, and it is made for,

you you have anybody in your life that is a socialist.

You have anybody going to school that is a socialist.

This is a quick starter on why socialism is evil.

And I wanted to get you on to

make the case, but I want to talk to you about a couple of things.

First of all, tell me the difference between socialism and communism and democratic socialism.

Is there a difference?

Yeah, in my opinion, there's absolutely no difference at all.

And actually, if you read a lot of socialist material produced by modern socialist parties today, the Socialist Party of Great Britain, various socialist groups in the United States, they will flat out say there's basically no difference between communism and socialism and that democratic socialism, what's being called democratic socialism or European style socialism, this is basically just incrementalism.

It's moving us toward this grand socialist utopia that Karl Marx has all mapped out for us in the future.

They don't want to do it right now at this very moment because they realize that people aren't ready for it.

They would never go for it.

But they want to move us in that direction.

And at the end of the day, the goal is the same.

We want to go to a world where everybody has exactly what they need and nobody has what they want.

We have, Justin, I have said this recently, and every time I say it, people are like, oh, no, no, no.

I believe we are at the end of the American progressive era.

The progressives took it now as far as they can take it.

Now it's time to take off the mask because progressive

was

really European socialism.

It is, let's take this, and we're not going to cause a riot, or well, riots we will cause, but no revolution.

We don't want blood in the streets.

We're just going to move it incrementally, and people will eventually want it.

And we'll call it progressivism.

Now we're at the point to where you got to name it, and what you're naming is not America, it is a fundamental flipping of the Constitution and of the Bill of Rights, and it's now socialism.

Yeah,

that's exactly right.

We're moving toward a society at a rapid pace where you don't have any individual rights.

You don't have any individual property rights.

You don't really have freedom of speech.

We're seeing that slowly being eroded away.

That all of these things are going to go away in favor of the collective.

Because the collective is what really matters.

And anyone who's interested in this should read the Soviet Constitution.

The Soviet Constitution is amazing.

It skips a front end.

In some parts, it says

you have a right to freely practice your religion or free speech.

And then in other parts, it says, well, only if it doesn't bother the collective.

If it gets in the way of what the collective wants, well, then actually you don't really have those rights.

And that's what modern democratic socialism in the United States is moving us toward.

This society where you as an individual don't matter.

What matters is what the collective wants.

And if your desires, your beliefs, your religious beliefs, your moral beliefs, if that gets in the way of what's good for the collective and who gets to decide that?

Well, the collective, I guess, then too bad for you.

You need to just shut up and sit down.

Democratic socialism, they're saying, no,

we want democracy.

We We want people to have the vote.

But then they deny when something like Venezuela happens.

They'll say, oh, well,

that's not a democratic socialist.

Well, yes, he was.

Maduro was elected until the wheels came off.

And then he said, you know, because we're in a dangerous situation now,

I can't let that election happen the way it's supposed to happen.

And then he rigged the election and eventually stops all elections.

That is the logical conclusion because because you could hire Jesus,

but Jesus, because he's not really Jesus, is going to die.

You could have Gandhi do it.

But once he dies, the next guy comes in and people vote him in.

If he's corrupt, it's autocratic.

There's no restraint on him.

Yeah, that's true.

And even if you could have, and this is something I get into in the book, even if you could have this mythical world where everyone is collectively owning and managing property and everybody is happy with collectively owning and managing property temporarily, even if you could somehow do this without completely eroding people's liberty, without throwing people into concentration camps and doing all the things that socialists and communist parties have done for the past 100 years, you need to find a way to do that.

You still have important moral controversies that occur in life.

For instance, in a single-payer healthcare system, do you pay for abortion or not?

Do you pay for contraception or not?

Are you going to force nuns to pay for abortion and contraception or aren't you?

If you have a socialized healthcare system, you can't escape those questions.

The collective decides what society is going to do.

And if you happen to be in the minority, if you're a moral minority, well, too bad.

You either have to go along or you have to go to prison.

But those are your only two options.

You bring up the moral case, and this is part of what you're talking about.

To me, the moral case

for the free market

is dirt strong.

And the moral case against socialism perhaps is even stronger because of things, as you point out, you're going to have to, you know, alcohol, you say in the book, alcohol, 40% of America, I can't believe it's that high, but 40% of America says, you know, drinking is immoral.

Well, are they going to be, are they going to have to own the alcohol production?

And how do you force somebody to do it?

You mentioned it with birth control.

But there's more to the moral case.

And I think we're seeing it in Venezuela.

You're killing people.

Yeah,

and that's the thing.

Socialism inevitably leads to

complete chaos because anytime you try to force people to receive the same amount of wealth for doing the same amount of work as people who are working not nearly as hard as you are.

It's a race to the bottom across an entire society.

People stop working hard because there's no incentive to work hard.

And normally you incentivize people by giving them a profit, by paying them more money.

But you can't do that in a socialist society.

So how do you convince people to work harder?

Well, you put a gun to the back of their head and you say, work harder.

And if you say, well, we don't like this, then you go to prison.

You go to the internment camp and you learn your lesson and then you get to come back in society and be a slave for the rest of your life.

That's how socialism inevitably works.

It fails every single time because it's in fundamental violation of human nature.

Right.

And

you get into this socialism's fatal flaw, where you talk about

its flaw is that.

It denies human nature.

But

expand on that.

Expand on that.

Humans,

as I was just saying, humans are motivated by their own individual achievements, by their own goals, by

what would benefit them and their families.

That's just a fact.

That's what motivates humans.

Socialism flips that on its head and says, stop caring about yourself.

Stop caring about your family.

Stop caring about your kids.

None of that matters.

What matters is the collective.

Sacrifice yourself for the good of the collective.

And when you try to do that, I mean, just think about this in your personal life.

Think about this in your own workplace.

I mean, everybody who's worked a job knows that there are people at the company who are working quite as hard as you're working and how that makes people feel around the office.

I mean, it never works out well because, at a fundamental human level, we understand that it's not fair to reward people equally for disproportionate amounts of work.

Even kids understand this.

This is basic human nature.

And yet Karl Marx and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders and all of these people would like to pretend that these things don't exist.

This whole system is completely delusional.

And when you read Communist Manifesto, that's what you walk away with.

You say, well, how can, you know, a lot of people talk about, well, why do kids on college campuses

read Communist Manifesto and become socialists?

And, you know, obviously, there are a lot of professors out there indoctrinating kids with communism and socialist ideas.

No question about that.

But I think that a simpler solution is that they're just all high and drunk and stoned out of their mind, and that those are the only people who would ever find this to be an appealing system.

It doesn't make sense.

You know what?

If you've had four joints, then yeah, communist manifesto makes a lot of sense.

But if you're not stoned, it's completely illogical.

Like I said, even little kids understand this.

Well, Well, they say that communism or socialism, socialism is about sharing.

And yes, kids don't, you know, you say they understand that socialism is wrong or the communist manifesto doesn't make sense.

But that's why we have to teach children about sharing because they don't automatically know about sharing.

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You know, I heard on the Glenn Beck program today, he had some guy on who wrote a book called Socialism is Evil.

Socialism is about sharing, Justin Haskins.

Yes.

Well, in order to share, you have to have a choice, right?

That's the fundamental aspect of sharing.

You have to choose to give your wealth away or to give whatever, your property away.

You have to choose to share.

And there is no choice.

in a socialist society.

Excuse me.

Excuse me, Justin.

But even our parents didn't give us a choice.

They put us in timeout until we learned.

It's just that we are like children, and the government knows better and knows, and we all know the principle of sharing is best.

And so some people are going to have to be put into timeout.

What's the problem?

What's the difference between what your parent did?

Right.

Yeah.

Well, the difference, I think, fundamentally is that the government has absolutely no right over you and you as an individual, whereas your parents, of course, have that right.

And the government doesn't know what the heck it's doing.

It can't manage its way out of a paper bag.

It can't run the post office.

That's just delivering mail.

It can't run Amtrak.

That's just running trains on time without having literally hundreds of millions or billions of dollars in deficits every single year.

The government is totally incapable of managing anything.

So the idea that we want to give the collective, which is really the government's representing the collective, all this power over our our lives because they would know how to use it best and they know what the right moral choices are and the wrong moral choices, is insane.

The government is running a $22 trillion national debt right now.

And yet, we want the Democrats asking us to give them control of the health care industry, to give them control over the energy sector.

I mean, what makes us think that if they can't run trains and the post office and the DMV, why the heck do we think that they can run our health care system?

So tell me the difference between socialism here in America and all we're talking about, Justin, is just the social system, the socialist country of Denmark or Sweden.

It's great there.

Yes.

This is maybe the most important myth that we need to debunk in this entire conversation because I've talked to so many young people who identify as socialists or identify on the left, and they always point to Denmark, Norway, and Sweden as being these examples of great socialist countries.

They're not socialist countries in reality.

They're mixed-market capitalistic systems.

The Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute have done analyses of World's Freedom Index.

And the Heritage Foundation's Freedom Index, for instance, showed that Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and Iceland all scored higher than the United States in the categories of property rights, fiscal health, business freedom, government integrity.

Does this sound like a socialist utopia to you?

I mean, they have balanced budgets in many of these countries.

They're not running $800 billion deficits.

Norway has $1 trillion just sitting in its sovereign wealth fund, and they only have 5 million people in their country.

So

these countries have a couple of policies that the left likes, but they're not really socialist utopias.

And by the way, they're not better off than we are.

After taxes, the average worker in these Scandinavian countries, they earn earn less than the average American worker.

They pay a lot more for their various goods and services.

And their housing costs are much, much higher.

In some places, twice as high as what it costs the average American in various parts of the country.

So they're not better off than us, and they're not socialists anyway.

So this is a giant myth that Bernie Sanders and Alexander Katya-Cortez are telling everyone around the world, convincing them, despite the fact that leaders in those countries are saying, no, we're actually not socialists.

I guess we're supposed to believe Bernie Sanders and not the actual people living in Sweden and Denmark and Norway.

Justin, I appreciate all that you write for

us at the Blaze.

And

I was really impressed with your ability to communicate with an audience at CPAC.

That's a rare talent, and you have it.

And love your book.

Thank you so much for being on.

It's

Socialism is Evil by Justin Hatkins.

You can find it online.

Grab it.

It's 70 pages.

It's a paperback, easy to just fold in your pocket and give to somebody.

Socialism is evil.

You can follow him, by the way, on Twitter at Justin T.

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I have been saying for a while that courage is contagious, and we need to look for people with courage and highlight them and show them to our sons and daughters because it is contagious.

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Welcome, Glenn.

Amazing to be on your show today, brother.

Thank you so much for having me.

I'm honored to have you.

Honored to have you.

Honored to be here.

You are a guy.

I want to start young.

You're a guy who was raised in a Christian home.

Yes.

You're a black man, in case anybody's listening on radio and doesn't know.

And I got to add biracial.

My mom is white.

Okay.

My dad is black.

Okay.

So most people, when they look at me, they don't think anything other.

I'm a part of the black community, but I have an interesting dynamic in the book where I talk about I got to enjoy

family gatherings at my mom's side of the family,

family gatherings at my dad's side of the family, and how completely different they were.

But I've dealt with my share, plenty of share of racism.

So let's talk about that because you then really

could complain that you don't fit in either.

I felt that way for a long time, actually.

Okay.

I did.

Growing up in a very

small town in Northern California, predominantly white, I did get picked on by the black folks because most of my friends were white.

I didn't see color.

I just saw who was nice to me, you know, who was a nice person, who did I want to hang out with.

So I dealt with it from the black side of some of the black folks in my city.

But then I also dealt with it from those that looked at me and all they saw was black.

So it's very, very very interesting.

How'd you get past that?

Throughout the years,

I mean, that's a

long answer to that question.

I know

what eventually got me through it was coming to the recognition, the understanding of how good God is.

And his love then changed my perspective on life.

So let me go back to that through this door because I want you to talk about you were a drug dealer when you were young.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Yep.

So take me through that and the change.

So

15, 16 years old, I was pretty popular in school.

I was a dancer.

I danced with one of Michael Jackson's choreographers.

He brought me to Hollywood.

He wanted to do some things with me.

So I was pretty popular.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

In today's world, you should.

Michael Jackson wanted to do some choreographer.

He wanted to do things in Hollywood.

He wanted to introduce me.

Absolutely.

I did some dance things with him in Hollywood.

Yeah.

In today's day and age, you you do have to clarify that.

So

I was a mixed up kid, though, I think, because of not only being biracial,

not only dealing with racism from both sides, but then also my parents going through divorce when I was nine.

I leave school at nine years old, like any normal day, and my dad is in the van with a bunch of stuff in it.

We get in the van and we drive to Redding, California from Oregon.

And I didn't see my mom again until a couple months later when we were in court.

And the judge asked me, he brought me to his chambers and he said, who do you want to live with?

And all I could think of was both.

My dad was, well, if it was a choice I had to make, my dad was big.

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He always looked like two Mr.

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240, chiseled.

And he was black.

And so I said, well, honestly, I said, well, my dad, because I look more like him, not having any understanding of what was really going on, that really shaped a lot of the heartache that I felt and that I grew through because then my father, he loved me in ways by providing for me.

I found out later that he actually took me out of the house because things weren't going well with my mom and she was doing some things that weren't admirable.

And so he didn't want to leave me in that situation.

So he got me out of it.

But I didn't see that as a kid.

He showed me love by providing a roof over my head, always food.

I never had to worry about the basic needs.

We weren't wealthy by any means.

We're probably definitely on a lower scale of middle class, but I struggled with that a lot.

And then I didn't see my mom until the summertime.

And when I'd see her, she'd tell me how much she loved me and would, you know, if you understand the five love languages, she was words of affirmation and physical touch.

She would hug me and, you know,

all the stuff that I think little boys like.

And then I'd have a lot of resentment when I'd go back and live with my dad.

So I battle a lot of internal stuff.

Then add to it all the racial stuff.

Yeah.

You You know, having to take my girlfriend at the time, having my white friend go pick her up for our semi-formal prom at her house just to get her to the prom so that I could be her date.

Wow.

Because they had no idea we were dating.

And they wouldn't have been cool with me.

No, absolutely not.

So

that all led to a life of partying, drinking, smoking a lot of weed.

And then before I knew it, I knew the people that had it in quantity.

And then before I knew it, I had a pager that would go off 50 to 100 times a day from everybody wanting any from weed to acid to mushrooms.

How did you get out of it?

October 10th, 1993.

Good for you.

My girlfriend at the time, who's my bride now,

her mom was out of town, and I went over to her house to hang out and spend the night.

Her mom was a single parent.

Jennifer was her only daughter.

And she was super protective.

So she comes home in the middle of the night.

We're there.

And

she didn't freak out.

We hear her come in, Jennifer, and we're like, oh, my gosh, are you kidding me?

We're in a room.

We're clothed.

We're not doing anything yet.

You had intent.

There was definitely intent.

Yeah.

And she opens the door.

And she says to my wife, she says, well, my girlfriend at the time, she says to Jennifer, what's going on?

And Jennifer said, we're just hanging out.

And her mom said, well, is he staying the night?

And we're thinking, what in the world?

And

she said, Yeah, he was going to.

And then she was trying to get her daughter, Jennifer, into church.

She was trying to keep her there.

So she says, Well, you least gonna go to church tomorrow.

And I'm thinking, Oh, here's my chance to look like a goody two-shoes.

My grandpa's a pastor.

So I said, We can go to my grandpa's church.

Like, hint, hit, my grandpa's a pastor.

Don't kill me, right?

So she said, Well, time's this start.

I told her, and she shut the door.

Let me stay.

The next morning, unbelievable.

The next morning, I woke up and knew it was a different day.

I used to wake and bake, Wake up and get baked.

Start drinking a 40 old English back then, probably.

Hadn't drank anything, hadn't smoked anything yet.

I'm thinking, today's a really different day.

And then my grandpa's church service started at 2.

My pager hadn't gone off all day.

We get to the church service.

Full gospel, Kojic, Church of God and Christ, just get down.

Yeah, just.

Uncomfortable for white people who have never been to it.

Should be fun, though.

Yeah, it should be a lot of fun.

So the beginning of the service is worship, the choir's going crazy, and then they would all of a sudden quiet down.

I hadn't been going to church.

I wasn't in church.

I was raised in church early, but then left after my parents divorced.

The choir would quiet down, and somebody would stand up and they'd testify what God was doing in their life.

And then the choir would go crazy, the church would go crazy, and the choir would keep going.

That kept happening, and people kept sharing what God was doing in their life.

And it was becoming evident to me that God was not only real, that he was actively working in people's lives, but I was missing out and I was doing the devil's work.

So I had this amazing

morning.

So I had this amazing thing happening inside of me.

Like I need to just stand up and thank God I'm still here.

I had friends that had already gotten put in prison or jail, Juvia at that time.

I'd done a lot of shady things and I just felt the need to thank God.

In front of her mom.

Yeah.

Her mom was there.

Okay.

Yeah.

Go for it.

Jennifer's there.

And so, but then at the same time, I'm like, I'm feeling this.

Who are you to stand up and say anything?

And so I just stood up, middle of church.

I stand up and I just said, I just thank God that I'm still here after 18 years.

And all I can tell you, Glenn, is that the power of God hit me and flooded my being.

I literally took off running around the church.

It was a small church, but I ran down the front, across the front, out the back.

You had to go back through the foyer.

I did that three times.

Felt like a thousand tons of weights lifted off my shoulders.

Things visibly looked different to me.

and when i got back to my seat all i wanted to know was about this love that god had just showed me i could leave everything else in my in my life behind all the drugs all the partying i could leave it all behind i just want to know about this god that loved me so much that in the middle of my sin-drenched life he reached down and showed me his he loved me and in that moment i thought about i said what about jennifer I really like this girl.

And I heard him say to me, it wasn't audible, but I heard it as loud as it could have been.

Don't worry about her.

just keep loving on me so I did I just you know you see people with their hands raised as a sign of surrender I also like to say it's a sign of a little kid reaching up to their papa

and when I turned and looked at her Glenn she had tears streaming down her cheeks she had her hands raised and God spoke to me and said there's your bride Wow we got married April 17th six months later And this April coming up next year will be or next month will be 25 years.

Gosh.

I love that story.

I love, I I love that story.

Okay, we now haven't, we've spent the time that we had allotted and we haven't talked to anything about what we wanted to talk about.

Can you stay?

Absolutely.

Okay, so we'll have you stay because you need to hear why I think this guy is

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Name of the book is Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.

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We have David Harris Jr.

on with us.

He wrote the book, Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.

I didn't realize this is a self-published book, so you can buy it on your website, right?

Yes, sir.

At David J.

Harris Jr.

That's where you can follow him.

And is it just DavidHarrisjr.com, right?

Yes, it is.

Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.

We just took you now from where you were.

So you

have a foundation of God, but you were never really outspoken politically at all.

Not really.

Okay.

No.

And so,

what, 25 years go by, 24, 23 years go by of your marriage, and you're not really outspoken and you're not involved in politics.

No.

And

what happens to you?

What happened to me was when I saw and was watching the 2016 presidential race, I think closely as I think more people in our country ever have, because of these two just

total opposites that were looking to take control of our country,

It was really interesting to me to see

all of the negative spin on stuff.

I would see whole debates or I'd see whole presidential campaign talks and then I'd see the clip that CNN would take and blow out of proportion and paint Donald Trump a racist.

And none of it made any sense to me because I understand urban culture.

I love hip-hop music.

And hip-hop artists were always praising Donald Trump.

And he was always doing things in the black community.

So it got me to begin to research what was really going on.

And then the other thing that really stood out to me was,

and really the main thing was the issue of pro-life or pro-choice.

You know, Hillary had made it very clear that she was pro-choice up until the baby actually came out of the womb

and that a baby didn't have any rights.

And Donald Trump was very much opposed to that and said, no, we need to protect the unborn.

And as a person of faith, as a person of color, that through my research, discovered that 80% of Planned Parenthoods are within walking distance of black communities across this country.

Oh, yeah.

And that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a racist that thought Jews and blacks should be exterminated.

And that was her eugenics program that they then changed the name to Planned Parenthood.

And

that's all supported by the Democrats.

I mean, it caused me to really begin to research and look at things.

And then after the third debate between Trump and Hillary, I just couldn't stay silent anymore.

I got on my Facebook page.

I don't think I'd ever posted anything political or done a video political.

I only had a couple couple thousand friends, and I shared as an American, as a Christian, as a father, as a black, a member of the black community, and as a husband, this is what I feel is at stake for our country.

And the biggest issue to me was the issue of pro-life.

And the video went to 400,000 views, and I was flooded with messages, a lot of messages from men, women, Hispanic, Asian,

black, a lot of hate male, but all the good stuff was from people that had been Democrats their whole lives, their whole families were Democrat.

They were planning on voting for Hillary, and they messaged me and said, Because of what you shared, I cannot vote for Hillary.

I have to vote for Trump because that's a vote for life.

And so that just said to me, People are listening.

If I can swing the pendulum, if I can even swing the pendulum to

have one person not choose abortion, it's worth it.

And that's when I first came out very,

very strong.

I started my Facebook page, David J.

Harris Jr.,

a few weeks weeks later, and it's grown pretty well.

Exponentially.

Yeah.

And

now you are

speaking out.

And I'd love for you, we're up against the clock.

I'd love for you to stay one more break, if you don't mind.

Absolutely.

And I want to hear about what's happening in the black community, what's really happening.

Are people

at all waking up?

And I don't say wake up to Donald Trump.

Are they waking up to what is happening in our country we are facing

evil to where you're where we're talking about infanticide now

and is this waking people up at all and so we'll continue our conversation again his name is David J.

Harris Jr.

You can go to davidharrisjr.com and get his book Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.

We'll talk to him about his reception in the black community now that he is coming coming out as a conservative and a staunch conservative and what's happening in that community when we come back.

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We're going to do one final segment with David J.

Harris Jr.

He is the author of a book, Why I Couldn't Stay Silent.

He is

also part of Blexit

and

this

movement of conservatives like Kanye, who I wouldn't consider a conservative, of people just standing up and saying, wait a minute, minute, I'm not part of a collective.

I'm an individual.

We'll talk to him about that also.

I just got a note that Bubba the Love Sponge wants to come on and talk a little bit about what happened with Tucker.

I have no idea who that's going.

I think that should be interesting.

Gonna do that.

And we also have Trent Lott coming.

I'm sorry, Trent Lott.

John Lott.

We don't want Trent Lott.

I'm leaving the show if you're bringing Trent Lott.

I'm bringing John Lott on,

talking about the new red flag gun laws that are being pushed through in the Senate right now.

Very bad.

We'll talk about that coming up all this hour.

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So we're talking to David J.

Harris Jr.

He's a guy who is not political.

He was a religious guy, had an encounter with God when he was young, changed his life,

is

African-American, actually biracial.

Mom was white, dad was black.

We talked about that history a little while ago.

And what's interesting is he was not political until the third debate with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

Then you started speaking out.

And what has been the reaction?

It's been mixed.

I always look at the good stuff.

And when somebody says what you said resonated with me, and because of what you said i need to support our president because he supports life i'll give you one example a friend of mine messaged me on facebook and he said one of his good friends was contemplating having an abortion and he didn't know how to say to her what he felt so he shared my video with her and my wife had actually also shared which her chapter's in my book that her mom was about to abort her and she left the abortion clinic and had my wife Wow.

So he shared that story and my video with that woman.

And then he sent me a picture of the baby that she had.

Wow.

I'm like, that's, if it's just one, then it's amazing.

So are you a single,

are you a single issue kind of guy?

Or is that just the one that drives you?

Or

are you a, I mean, I know you wear, you said to me a minute ago, the, you know, MAGA hat.

MAGA hat.

Yeah.

And you wear it through the airport, and you had an odd experience yesterday.

Well, normally when I wear it through the airports throughout the country, when I travel, I'll get good looks and bad looks.

Yesterday, I got all negative looks.

Actually, I remember one guy on the airplane as I was leaving,

another passenger that said, love the hat.

But the flight attendant actually continued to give me, she looked at my hat, she looked at me, she looked at my hat, and then she looked at me with absolute disgust the entire rest of the flight, every time she looked at me.

I get that a lot.

And the only, the only

I don't have to wear a hat.

Well, everybody knows what you stand for, so you're wearing that like a badge of honor.

But it made me feel about that divisiveness and division that's taking place at the American level of just everyday people and how what's being portrayed in the media and what's being portrayed by the Democrat politicians that want to continue to paint Donald Trump all these negative things, the effect that it's having on average Americans is so horrible and so negative that it's just, it's like, what's it going to take for Americans to just wake up and realize decency, common decency.

So let me play the devil's advocate here because that's what people would say back to you.

Well, what about your president?

When is he going to just have some common decency and treat people with respect?

You know, I'd say as a member of the black community, I love the fact that black-owned businesses have increased 400% in the last year and a half since he's been president.

I love the fact that black unemployment, as well as Hispanic and Asian and unemployment for women, is at a historic all-time low in our country.

So I'm not exactly sure what you'd like to resist or what you're upset with, but I actually like the way our country is going underneath this current leadership.

So

you are an outspoken guy

and you are part of Blexit.

Tell me about that.

Candace Owens is a dear friend.

Love that woman.

She's doing a lot to try to wake the black community up.

The Hispanic community is behind her in that.

I spoke at Blexit in Los Angeles a couple months ago, and it is designed to just get black Americans to wake up and recognize: A, their vote counts, and B, they shouldn't have a blind allegiance to any party.

So, did it

when you saw

Kanye West and the way he was treated?

I mean,

I'm not a fan of Kanye's music or anything else.

I think there are times that I think he's nuts on a lot of things.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But I respect him as

an individual.

I was shocked at how all these people who claim to love him, that he was a genius,

literally got to the point overnight, he should be institutionalized.

There's something wrong with him.

Yeah.

There's a chapter in my book I gave to Kanye because for 18 months, he never tweeted anything.

And then his first tweet was, I like the way Candace Owens thinks.

And that, A, put her on the map in the black community more so than it ever had been.

And B, it gave black Americans the freedom,

the approval, if you will, to even listen to a black conservative.

Because for so long, for 60 years, it's been so monolithic and a blind allegiance to the Democrat Party.

And it's just tradition it's passed down without even thinking about the actual values.

Black Americans need to vote their values.

If you're a person of faith, you should be for life.

If you want school choice, you shouldn't vote for Democrat.

If you want freedom and the ability to be an entrepreneur and make capital, then

you shouldn't be a Democrat.

People need to wake up to those issues and understand that the conservative values that Donald Trump stands for and supports are actually good for black Americans and good for the black black community.

How can that message get out from

people like you and me, probably more like me, who are not part of the black community?

How can we help?

What do we do that we don't necessarily see?

And you're just like, oh, you dummies.

I think what you're doing right now, prime example, having me on the show, giving me the platform to talk and share, is amazing.

I think more of that has to happen.

We have to realize that we have to network together.

It's not going to be a one person person that does it.

Candace is amazing, but she's not going to do it on her own.

Brandon Strzok, the walkaway founder, he's doing something in Harlem in a couple weeks in inner city Harlem, putting on a free

documential in a theater and inviting urban black, the black community there to come watch a documential on black folks that have woken up,

chose to think for themselves, and walk away.

It's like the more we can highlight the people that are actually doing something and work together, like the left is actually really good at working together to try to take people out.

We need to work together to highlight and amplify the voices that are making a difference in our country.

The only one that is worse than conservatives,

well, maybe be Christians.

They're bad at working together many times.

And the only one that are worse than that are libertarians.

Right?

You know, that's like the only true libertarian is that one libertarian.

Yeah.

But we do.

We all have to stand together.

Yes.

That's the only way we're going to to win this fight.

And I think that we will if we work together.

I think it's a battle we'll win.

I think we're already winning it.

David J.

Harris Jr.

is his name.

You can get his book, Why I Couldn't Stay Silent at DavidHarrisJr..com.

Good to see you.

Good to see you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you so much.

God bless.

God bless you.

Thank you.

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Okay, so

what's the update with Bubba the Love Spot?

I believe we're making contact here.

Okay.

I don't have any idea

what he has to say or what's going on.

Yeah, I'm interested to hear it.

I mean, you know, they, you know, this is typical Media Matters nonsense, right?

They go back and they pull clips out of context from shows from a long time ago.

2006.

Yeah.

And, you know, this is, it's sort of ridiculous.

We heard from Tucker last night.

It'll be interesting to hear what Bubba has to say as well.

I mean,

I'm amazed that this stuff continues to work on people.

Like, I, you know, you go back and you find old clips, you take them out of context of times, you know, conversations with completely different standards in a completely different time and act as if you're offended by it when you're praising people for doing similar things today when they fit your politics.

And then we all act as if this is a legitimate series of complaints.

Like, you know, every news station yesterday acting as if this is the worst thing they've ever heard in their entire lives, and it's just so fake.

They obviously know this is nonsense, but they just continue to do it because they can get away with it.

You know what I keep thinking?

Where are thine accusers?

You know, cast the first stone.

Go ahead.

Cast the first stone.

I'm not going to condemn you.

I'm not going to condemn you.

Let me go to Bubba the Love Sponge.

Mr.

Sponge, how are you, sir?

Bubba, are you there?

I'm not even hearing the phone at all, Sarah.

All right, we'll dial him back, I guess.

Awesome.

But, you know,

who are you?

Are all of you people in the media, are all of you so sure that

this righteousness is not going to come and bite you in the ass?

Are you telling me you've never made a joke?

It's so fake.

Oh, my.

It's so fake.

Oh my gosh, of course it.

I love this too.

Like, I mean, it's interesting that it hasn't only been conservatives who have been.

I mean, you know, Kevin Hart is a recent example of this.

James Gunn is no conservative, lost the Guardians of the Galaxy series off her jokes that he made.

It's just nonsensical.

We're all, we're supposed to be all adults.

We all understand that, you know, people make jokes that sometimes are off color or whatever.

And when the standards change, it's even more ridiculous.

But this isn't even about, this is not about

anything other than advertisers.

This is not about what people really believe.

This is about getting advertisers to cancel on the Fox News channel because Fox News is going to be spending a lot of money on the 2020 election.

And if they can't get anybody to buy these shows, well, then they don't have the money to be able to do the effective coverage that they're going to have to do.

And so they're going to have to decide:

are we going to

put up with this

boycott or are we going to

put up with this boycott and then uh have less money probably more viewers but less money or are we going to try to find a way to deal with this boycott and then

you know have the money to do something but you won't have the viewers

ridiculous as usual let's try him one more time bubba are you there glenn it's bubba hey how are you man Been trying to get a hold of you all morning, Bubba.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

How are you?

You got 36,000 affiliates and, you know, 34.

I know, I know.

So tell me what your take is on

this Tucker Carlson issue.

It's the snowflaking, can accept, no,

refuse to lose mentality that everybody has, you know, where if the other side would just put a good candidate up and worry about, you know, issues at hand and

not trying to get people's r lives ruined based on technicalities and spill I mean, I think it's just absolutely ridiculous, and I think it's basically an assassination or an attempt to assassinate people that do out-of-the-box or different type of programming against the establishment.

I think it's trying to quell everybody.

Any doubt in your mind that

Tucker Carlson is

not a racist, a misogynist, or a homophobe?

Any doubt?

My show is not a credible show, Glenn.

We're not newsworthy at all.

We're locker room talk.

We're, you know, we're those guys, those, you know, and Tucker, when he was, you know, not on the Fox and he just got let go of MSNBC and he just started the Daily Caller.

That's this time period, and it was an uncensored guy locker room talk show.

You know, we weren't trying to be, you know, Bubba News Talk, you know, crossfire with James Carville.

We were just the dudes.

And no, he's none of that, Glenn.

He's just a regular dude.

Likes to go fly fishing and maybe smoke an occasional Marlboro.

That's all he is.

A regular dude.

Period.

So

what do you take from all of this, Bubba?

I take that they have went to the guttural bowels of radio, me.

Like, you know, we're not credible.

Like, I mean, they've gone and went and got the autistic uh kid that like that has Tourettes and and took in a few of my taken a few of my t of my ticks.

Tucker and I are friends and we talk like dudes.

And I I think that

I think that this is and you know, Glenn, I didn't vote for I'm not either.

I voted for myself just so I could say I didn't vote for either one of them.

I because I don't like, you know, I don't I I don't we don't do that t sort of deal, but I think this is the other side, the left, if you as everybody calls it, playing their stupid games because they're in trouble and they don't have a candidate and so they gotta play the Mueller game and the Roger Stone game and all that kind of game.

And now why not take out one of the bigger, more powerful talking heads on the other side?

It's chicken crap on the words on your show.

The words I could show you.

Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

It would be different, but let's look.

Absolutely.

Yeah, we'll keep the guy talk to some other time.

Well, I got to tell you,

we've been listening.

We were doing a Glenn Beckathon trying to get you live on the air.

And it was their first time in radio because we would have been broadcasting 970 FLA over our station, and we were doing a Glenn Beckathon, and we talked to a lovely call center woman in San Diego, and we were doing updates saying, you're listening to a Glenn Beckathon.

And we were trying to get Glenn Beckathon on the air, buddy.

Well,

we got a lot of mail.

We got a lot of mail.

I was going to say, I need to get Dom Theodore on the phone or Randy Michaels or Gabe Hobbes or Roger Stone or Brian Kill Me or John Morgan or Bob Pittman.

I mean, I know you know them all.

Ryan Secret.

Glenn, you're so well connected.

I need your help, Glenn.

What would you do if you were me, Glenn?

I would do exactly what you're doing, and

I wouldn't take any of this crap.

I mean, you are

you know who you are.

You know what you do.

And the fact that you don't do any politics, A, I would continue to do that.

I would like to hear from you on what your audience is saying.

Seeing that you don't, that you talk to Democrats and Republicans, you're not a, you're, you're not choosing sides.

No.

What are the people in your audience saying about about this?

Well, not about this necessarily.

This is just a witch hunt.

You know what this is?

This is pathetic.

Like, I would hope that somebody could come up with a far better scandal than this.

This is ridiculous.

Trust me, I'm the king of scandals, and this is child play compared to what I usually get angels.

I mean, Glenn, this is robber room stuff compared to what I usually do.

No, I know.

But the pulse of America, Glenn, to kind of give, I'm 52 years old, Glenn.

You know that I've been in radio, whatever.

You know, you and I used to go to the Zychex lounge every once in a while, 4002 Gandy, my man.

I mean, you know, we're boy.

I'm kind of a guy's guy.

And, you know, I think this is kind of the pulse of America, not necessarily about this particular issue, but just Trump and the Democrats and the Republicans and all this, is that I think most men think that Trump's doing a pretty good job.

And this comes from a guy that's not very conformed, but he kind of needs to be at times a little more presidential.

Just a tad.

I like what he stands for, but just a tad.

Like, somebody needs to take that damn Twitter thing away from him and kind of chill out a little bit, Donnie.

That's what I'm saying.

Have you got a good message, Donnie?

I think that's a great message because I think that's what people, people who support Donald Trump, generally think that.

You know what?

Look, he's got his own issues, and he's got, please stop, please stop tweeting.

Just a little bit.

Don't stop tweeting altogether.

Just back it down about 32%.

That's it.

Okay.

Have you talked to Tucker?

I did.

I talked to him just a little bit yesterday because he was in the middle middle of this, and I felt as if his monologue,

I almost cried afterwards because it was just like not only did he stand his ground because he didn't do anything wrong, but he stood, you know, as much as the Democratic talking heads, Glenn, maybe want to get behind this, the CNNs and what have you, at the end of the day, journalists need to take a long, hard look as to what Tucker's saying because they're trying to take your freedom of speech and the way that you look at things, right or left or indifferent, away.

They're trying to quell.

What the people don't realize is not the left is trying to quell everybody.

Not just

the Michael Savages and the Glenn Becks and the and the Tucker Carlsons.

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And I thought his monologue was brilliant.

I thought so.

Broadcaster and as a talent.

Bubba the love sponge.

Not that I'm either.

I'm barely either, Glenn.

Thank you so much.

Honest to God, Glenn, Hannah.

We have a lot of great friends, and let's keep in touch.

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You're listening to Glenn.

He used to have those 3X's.

They don't fit you anymore.

You're at 4 or 5.

Now shut up.

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John Lott.

He is a doctor.

Dr.

John Lott.

He is an economist and a recognized expert on guns and crimes.

He has written some of the best books on guns.

He was instrumental in our book on control.

Welcome to the program, John Lott.

Great to talk to you again, Glenn.

Hey, John, I wanted to get you on about two things: Washington State and what's happening there, and also these red flag laws that the Republican Senate is actually suggesting.

And

what's his name,

Lindsey Graham, has said he's already talked to the president, and the president's on board.

And I think this is a horrible law.

Can you explain exactly what the law is, if it's effective, and whether you agree with me or not?

Right.

No, I definitely agree with you.

Look,

it's kind of like the old Tom Cruise movie Minority Report, where they're trying to predict whether somebody's going to commit a crime in the future.

And

if you talk to them, most of these laws are fairly vague.

They just say

you have a complaint, a judge will look at it, there'll be no initial hearing that will be there, and maybe the person's gun can be taken away for up to 21 days, and then there'll be a hearing.

And there's no experts like they're used to have where they're being in mental health experts.

In fact, they're really trying to get much broader than mental health.

Most of these laws don't even mention the term mental health in them.

You talk to the people who enforce these things and you say, well, what do you look for?

And they'll say, well, we look for predictors for somebody committing a crime.

So do they have a criminal record?

And you'll say, well, you already have laws on that.

If you have a felony, you're banned for life from having a gun, even if it's a nonviolent felony.

Depending upon the state, like like California, almost any misdemeanor can ban you from being able to go in and get a gun.

But what they don't want to have is they want to have it so you can be banned if you simply have an arrest but not a conviction, or somebody files a complaint and there's not an arrest.

So

there is, the way I read this is

if somebody said, let's say, John, you get a divorce and it's an ugly divorce and you have a lot of guns, and your ex in the battle

says to the police, you know, my husband, I think he's unstable, and I think he's, you know, he's got a lot of guns, and I'm worried that he might do something.

They have the right then to go in and take your guns without any kind of hearing on that.

Is that accurate?

Even notifying you.

You'll find somebody at your door at 5 o'clock in the morning.

This has happened in some places.

And the standard of evidence is very low in many of these cases.

You can have what they call reasonable cause, which is just a hunch.

If the judge just has a hunch based on,

slightly more than a hunch based on the complaint that the ex-wife has filed or the wife involved in the divorce,

that can be sufficient.

And even when they have a hearing after 21 days or so, depending upon the state,

again, they don't bring in experts.

And it can simply be, you know,

is there a 51% chance, you know, slightly more than a coin flip, that you could be a danger.

You could have your guns taken away on a long-term basis.

What is the long-term plan here?

What is this?

What is this?

Because they're assembling.

You know, as you see, John, we haven't talked about this, but I'm sure

you're on this far more than I am.

They're assembling by

taking away a little right here and a little right there and then pressuring the financial system not to do business with gun manufacturers, et cetera, et cetera.

All they're doing is making it absolutely impossible on many levels.

And that way they can say, we never touched the Second Amendment.

Right.

No, it's clear that they want to make it costly for people to have guns.

And they do it in many different ways, as you say.

In Washington, D.C., where they just voted in the House on these universal, so-called universal background checks, which are background checks on any private transfers of a gun,

it costs $125 to do a transfer on a gun.

Per gun.

I mean, per gun.

If I give my son all of my guns and I give him 10 guns,

it's $1,250

because he has to pay for the transfer and the, quote, background check.

You're not checking the gun.

You're checking him.

Check him once.

They have an exemption for right now in terms of immediate family members, but if you gave it to me or if a grandfather gave it to his grandson or something like that, you're right.

I mean, and the ridiculousness of it is that you're having the background check on the individual.

It's not like there's a background check really on each gun to check whether the gun has a criminal record.

Right.

And so,

you you know, it just, it's obvious that they just went out of the way to make it costly.

I'll give you an example.

When other states have passed these laws, I get phone calls sometimes from

state legislators.

A few years ago, when Colorado passed its law, I got a call asking me what amendment I would put up on the bill.

And my suggestion was to put up an amendment that would exempt people below the poverty level from having to pay the new state tax on each gun that was transferred.

With the exception of two pro-gun Democrats Democrats in the state House, every other Democrat voted against exempting people below the poverty level from having to pay the new state tax.

How many taxes can you think of that Democrats will fight tooth and nail against exempting somebody below the poverty level from having to pay?

And it just,

you know,

if my research convinces me of anything, it's poor minorities, particularly poor blacks who live in high-crime urban areas, who benefit the most from having the option to be able to go and protect themselves.

These fees aren't going to stop you or I from being able to go and buy a gun, but poor

blacks who live in these high-crime areas, it may be enough easily to stop them from owning a gun legally to protect themselves and their families.

So, quickly, before I move on to the

Washington state debacle, let me just leave the audience with this.

John has put together a white paper along with Carlisle Moody from College of William and Mary and the Crime Prevention Research Center.

This was their conclusion on red flag laws.

Now, remember, this is your Republican Senate that is doing this.

He writes: the conclusion: the red flag laws had no significant effect on murder, suicide, the number of people killed in mass public shootings, robbery, aggravated assault, or burglary.

But there is some evidence that rape rates rise.

These laws apparently do not save lives.

All right.

Let me switch to Washington State.

Washington State said that if you can't sell a gun to anybody who is 20, unless they're 21, and they agreed all these other things, the sheriffs say we're not imposing, we're not enforcing this law.

We find that it is unconstitutional, and we're not going to do that.

And now the state is going after those sheriffs and going after

FFLs,

which is a private dealer that if they say

they're not going to abide by that either, they're going to put them out of business, and they're talking about jail time.

What is the story on this, John?

Right.

Well, Washington State, Paul Allen, and others have passed three initiatives in the last three elections.

And there's just a myriad of complicated laws now in Washington state for going owning a gun.

This last one had everything from 10-day waiting periods for buying a semi-automatic rifle to raising the age for somebody to be able to own a gun up to age 21

to creating a gun registry to, as we were just talking about before, adding in fees and taxes essentially on top of the costs that they had already imposed for people being able to go and own a gun.

It's just,

I mean,

people have to understand how complicated the existing laws are even before they had this initiative.

If you had a female friend who is being stalked or threatened and she calls you up late in the evening, asking you to go and borrow a gun for a few days until she can go to the store and buy one herself,

you'd be committing a crime.

Unless the attacker, the stalker, was physically there in front of you all when you loaned her the gun.

And as soon as he left, even if he knew he was going to be coming back later, she'd have to give you back the gun.

This is ridiculous.

This is ridiculous.

So, do they have a leg to stand on when it comes to the sheriffs?

Can they take these sheriffs down?

Well, the thing is, the sheriffs are a creation of state law.

And so,

you know, the federal government can't force individual sheriffs to do things, but states have a lot of leeway in terms of

what they can make sheriffs do.

And, you know, it's heroic in some sense for these sheriffs, despite the risks that they're facing personally themselves, to be able to go and object to these rules.

I mean, they're elected office holders, but,

you know, it's still the state that sets up the rules by which they operate.

John, thank you so much, and we'll stay in touch.

I appreciate all the work that you do.

God bless.

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It's all about Congresswoman Omar and her fundraising for care.

You know, they can't say boo.

to Omar.

God forbid you question anything.

And when you see tonight's show, or the one I did last night, I'm sorry.

And when you go to Glennbeck.com and you watch it, you will wonder, wait a minute, is there no one watching the store?

Is there no one that's willing to bring these things up?

No, because we're too busy being outraged by what Tucker Carlson said.

Well, and that's too, you know, the Tucker Carlson thing is in large part a pushback against the anti-Semitism of Ilan Omar, where that's been they've been they're trying to regain that narrative there of who's the evil people saying the nasty things.

So obviously, there's an equivalency, obviously, from the answer.

Yeah,

somebody on the Bubba the Love Sponge show that makes a joke, you know,

compared to a congresswoman who last week had the

Muslim Brotherhood selected head of care

in her office.

And what was weird was

that's when everything changed.

Care all of a sudden shows up.

These thugs that are direct sister linked to Hamas.

CARE is the propaganda arm of the Muslim Brotherhood.

And they're all

in her office.

And then lo and behold, just a few hours later, the Democrats decide, you know what, we're going to make this about anti-Semitism, but we're also going to make this about Islamophobia as well and all kinds of hatred.

And we're going to kind of back off of Omar.

And if you you think of, you know, if you think these companies are going to be doing more and more

of the type of expose needed about people like

Elon Omar, I mean, you're crazy.

You have to have, there has to be a place where people can actually do it.

And, you know, look, that is the reason why the Blaze was started a long time ago.

It's what we're continuing to try to do today.

If you can subscribe, it would be a great time to do it because you see the targets on the backs of conservatives all over the place in the media.

I want Tucker Carlson to know I stand next to him.

That doesn't mean that I believe in or excuse anything that he said or didn't say.

I don't know.

To me, it was in the context of a stupid radio show in 2006.

I don't believe that about Tucker.

I believe that he would say things like that

in a comedy show

12 years ago.

But the world was a vastly different place 12 years ago.

You know, just like they can't imagine that

Omar would say these anti-Semitic things.

She just didn't understand America.

She really, she just, you know, she came here in the 90s and she just doesn't understand America.

That's why she's saying those things.

And so they forgive her on what she said last week.

And what she's doing next Saturday as well.

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