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Well,

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Now, this is before Hickenlooper joins the race, and that's a turning the whole world upside down.

A whole world.

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So, what are the most trusted news brands?

You know, they always say the most trusted name in news.

No, not really.

In fact, not at all.

It's the most trusted news brand in America.

The most trusted is the BBC, which

strikes me as odd, except

the BBC

is the only one that was reporting on how bad

Barack Obama was for a while.

You know, you had to go to the outside.

Was it the BBC?

I thought it was more like the Daily Mail.

No, the BBC also did dirty and it was, but the BBC also did some.

And I think it's because it's foreign and we're not all watching it.

We just think, well, what do you think of the BBC?

Oh, yeah, well, I trust them.

You know what it is, I think, on that one?

They've got the good call letters.

People know BBC.

But more than that, English accent.

That's true.

We just think because it's said in an English accent, it's true.

They're just as liberal, if not more liberal, than all the other major networks.

Oh, yeah, more liberal.

Yeah,

more liberal.

They're way out there.

Not to mention, the idea of a government news source is so.

I mean,

can I ask you a question?

How is a government school or a government news source?

How does anybody think it could teach the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution?

Government school should be able to teach the Declaration Index.

But it can't.

It can't.

Think about it.

Because the whole point is don't trust the government.

It is.

I mean, it is.

Government is like fire.

As long as the people have control of the fire, it's good.

As soon as the fire gains control, it'll burn everything down.

They can't teach that.

They can't teach that rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.

They can't teach any of that stuff.

So no wonder we we have people who are teaching us to obey.

That's the key.

Fox News is number two behind the BBC,

with 88% of the people saying they trust Fox News.

87

PBS.

MSNBC is tied for a second with PBS with 87%.

Then Bloomberg,

then CNN with 80% with 79%.

That truly is remarkable.

So Fox News has 88.

CNN has 79.

CBS with 77.

NBC with 75.

ABC with 73.

Sinclair with 64.

And Trump with 26.

I don't know.

They know this.

Trump isn't a news agency.

They treat him like he is.

Well, they are in this poll.

They treat him as if he's the only thing, the only way you're allowed to cover the news is if Donald Trump tweeted it, then we can talk about it.

That's the only thing that he didn't tweet it about him.

Yeah, no, it's true.

They're completely controlled by

his Twitter feed.

Which is great.

In a way, it's great.

Yeah, I mean,

I wish Republicans would be able to utilize that power a little bit better.

You know, I mean, they had control of all three

branches, and then,

yeah, and they

could have used every Donald

Trump tweet to pass some other form of legislation that would have been controversial.

Oh, yeah,

if they would have done their job,

he provided the greatest cover of all time.

I mean, you want to talk about, I'm going out, cover me.

Yeah, it's like he tweeted about Mika Brzezinski pass the flat tax quick.

Like, that's what should have been happening.

Yes, exactly right.

And instead, they're like, oh, let's just all go out and moan on TV about whatever was tweeted last.

First of all,

the stations themselves shouldn't have even been covering it.

Who cares what he says about Mika Brzezinski?

But I mean, even if you're going to do that, which I, you know, for whatever reason, they just turn the news, fire everyone in the newsroom, just put Trump's tweets on the screen, and we'll all talk about them over and over again.

But the Republicans should have been smart enough to say, wait a minute.

Like, when they want to cut, you know, taxes or cut regulation by, you know, 1%, it's the biggest issue in the world.

God forbid, you want to give people their constitutional rights to bear arms.

That is, that's just way over the line.

Every time the guy tweeted, they'd just be completely like this was the ultimate shiny object for the media.

They never were going to pay attention to any legislation going through.

And Republicans could have gotten away with it.

You know what's interesting to me, though, is if you look, Fox News has 88% trust.

Okay.

What's the actual question?

88% trust.

Which

media do you trust?

Trust engendered when it came to individual news brands.

So which news brand do you trust?

It doesn't have the actual question here.

Because, I mean, I can't believe 88% of Americans trust Fox News.

I mean, obviously,

it's a somewhat partisan lean.

The reason why Fox News typically does well in these polls is because half of the country really trusts them.

CNN and MSNBC and all these other ones,

the maximum they can get to is also a half.

But because there's division and there's multiple sources within that field, they don't get to to 50% like

that Fox does.

There's only one real option for a conservative on that entire list.

How much value of trust is engendered when it comes to these news brands?

So

do you trust it?

Do you trust it?

That's a fair analysis of that question.

Fox News, 88%.

PBS, 87%.

NBC, MSNBC, 87%.

Bloomberg, 80%.

CNN, 79.

I will tell you, I think it's because because

if you look, MSNBC, 87%,

they say what they are.

They have no problem saying what they are.

They are clearly an opinion place that comes out for the progressives.

That's not what they say they are.

They're part of NBC News.

Fox News says they're fair and balanced.

You're right.

Like, MSNBC does not say that.

Everyone knows.

We are super progressive.

No, but everyone knows.

Everyone knows.

That's different than them saying it.

No, I think lean forward and all of that stuff.

And just who they select on the air.

Yeah.

Where CNN is trying to say they're fair and balanced.

CNN is trying to say everything they do is, no, he is very, very credible.

He is.

I mean, Rachel Maddow, you don't see them going out and going, no,

she is fair.

She cuts both ways.

They know.

No.

No.

You're right.

They don't do that.

They're defending that side, and I think everybody knows it.

The same thing with Fox.

They're defending a side, and everybody knows it.

And so they're not hiding like CNN or CBS or ABC behind this cheap veneer that everybody sees right through.

Oh, really?

You're fair and balanced?

No, you're not.

No, you're not.

But what's really interesting to me on this poll is that Fox News has 88% trust in the country according to this.

Think of the money that has been spent by organizations,

by

Soros kind of people,

and all of the media ganging up on Fox all the time.

For them to have this kind of

trust from the people

with all of that going on speaks volumes and it doesn't speak volumes of Fox it speaks volumes that people don't people don't believe that they just don't believe all of the hype that you've said they know that they go too far one time or another just like MSNBC goes one you know too far one way or the other they know that

but they don't trust you

You can run all the this is an apple and this is a banana all you want and it doesn't matter to people because they know you're not who you say you are.

I think that's fair.

I think that's a fair,

I mean, that is basically where we are now.

Yeah,

I think so.

Now, there's a couple of other polls that have come out, and I want to have Stu get into these because these polls are about socialism

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Should we go through this poll?

Yeah, there's a lot of people.

There's a lot to get to.

NBC News, Wall Street Journal, conducted a poll.

A lot of different questions, varying topics.

Quick, Donald Trump's approval rating.

On this poll, since the beginning of his presidency, it's been between 35 and 43 in every single survey.

Currently at 42.

It was also at 42 in November before the sort of shutdown stuff happened.

It went 42 down to 37, up to 39, now back to 42.

So basically, the shutdown negatives are

behind him at this point, as you kind of would expect.

Here's another one.

I'm going to read a couple of statements about the role of government.

Which one comes closest to your point of view?

Statement A, government should do more to solve problems to help meet the needs of people.

Statement B, government is doing too many things, better left to businesses and individuals.

B.

Yeah, I would certainly be very much B.

B.

I was looking for one that's a little stronger than B.

Exactly.

Okay, I'll take B.

Again, which is closest.

So in 2014, when Republicans had a really good election, it was 50% said B, 50% to 46, slight advantage for people saying government is doing too many things, better left to businesses and individuals.

Currently, it is the opposite of that.

55 to 41.

Government should do more.

Now, that is not

the worst that polls look.

In fact, in 2018, it actually was 58.38.

So

it's backed off a little bit from that.

But it's not at all.

This is why

if the economy goes south, you will see that number in the 30s.

Easy.

And that's why we will get a socialist president, because they'll promise anything and everything.

We have to pray that this economy holds together.

One thing that's interesting is we hear a lot about kind of the binary choice argument when it comes to elections, two parties.

This is fascinating.

And this is what we heard from everybody on both sides.

How about this question?

In terms of how well it defines issues and provides choices for voters, do you believe the two-party system works fairly well?

Two-party system has real problems, but with some improvements, it can still work well, or the two-party system is seriously broken and the country needs a third party.

C.

I would tend to agree with that.

What I was fascinated about is the two-party system works fairly well.

11%

of people believe that.

Wow.

A.

And.

Yeah, that's A.

So 11% think this is working well, yet everyone thinks this is what we should have and we should not have.

It's such a no, because it's a different question.

It's a different question.

When you get down, I've got a gun to your head.

Yeah.

It's always, I'm going to play in the two-party system because it's the only thing.

In selecting a presidential nominee for the Democratic Party, which of the following is most important to you, obviously talking to people considering that choice.

Is it a candidate with the best chance to defeat Trump or a candidate who comes closest to your views on issues?

Now, I don't believe this, but they are saying a candidate who comes closest to your views on issues at 56%

and a candidate with the best chance to defeat Trump at 40%.

Okay,

that is because it's happening right now.

We're still in this utopia where I think I can find a candidate that's going to reflect my issues.

But once it gets narrowed down,

it goes hand in hand with that last poll question.

You know,

I think this is broken.

Well, when you get down to it, there's only two left.

You're going to vote.

You won't vote for a third party.

And

the second one is, yeah, I want somebody with my values, but when it gets down to it, anybody but Trump.

That's what they'll think.

Republican primary voters, would you like a Republican to challenge Donald Trump in the primary?

37% said yes, 59% no.

I actually was, I thought that was high.

I was surprised that 37% would want that.

Okay, so now to the next one.

Again,

I think it is is more of an intellectual thing that you would like to have somebody in theory in theory challenge trump because you may not like this this and this but you like the other parts of trump and so i'd like somebody to challenge but not if it's going to weaken the position and we get them yeah you know what i mean sure the all three of these so far don't mean anything at this point i'm kind of with you on that okay these are this is pretty interesting though uh not thinking of specific candidates uh i'm gonna list several types of people who might run for president for each one tell me if you are enthusiastic about this, would be comfortable with it, have some reservations, or be very uncomfortable with it.

Okay.

So

this is interesting.

An African-American, would you be enthusiastic about this?

21% said they'd be enthusiastic.

66% said comfortable.

So you're combining those and you're getting 87%.

Comfortable

is not the right word for that.

I'm totally fine.

Well, that's comfortable.

I think that's...

like what I would say.

Doesn't seem like enthusiastic or are you comfortable?

I think enthusiastic is like,

I feel like the enthusiastic answer to me is identity politics.

I'm never going to be enthusiastic about any of these groups because I don't pick candidates in individuals based on groups.

Correct.

21% are basically saying they do, right?

At some level.

66% say comfortable, which is interesting.

Why is it interesting?

Well, because a woman, 25% would be enthusiastic.

Now, maybe that's because there was already an African-American president, right?

So now we have not had a female president yet.

So

25% say a woman they'd be enthusiastic about.

21% say an African-American.

A white man, 16%.

Now, this is a country that is called racist constantly.

for keeping down the African Americans and women.

That's basically every piece of news coverage is saying one of those two things.

But I think.

And here we are, more people are enthusiastic about having an African-American president and having a woman president than a white president.

Again, I think this is because the African-American, we've already had one.

So it's 22%.

I think

before Barack Obama, that probably would have been higher.

Yeah, I agree.

25% because we haven't had it.

You had the analysis right.

16% because that's running the mill.

Who cares?

Who cares?

When it comes to, am I enthusiastic for a man?

No, I'm not enthusiastic.

Would I be, would I be, would I be excited to show the world?

Right.

No, but a lot of people are.

I think that's true, and that's what we're seeing there.

By the way, more people would even be comfortable with an African-American over a white man

in this racist country.

Wait, 87% would be comfortable or enthusiastic about an African-American.

86% would, I mean, again, they're basically tied, but it's fascinating in this race.

Think of what washes over you every day with the accusations of racism and sexism.

We are told we are living in a rape culture where people are being lynched every day.

That's essentially the impression you would get by watching the news.

But cops are shooting black people all the time for no reason.

People know the truth.

That's, I think, why people are not as upset as they should be.

on what's going on in the country.

They're not as upset because they think, oh, these are just a bunch of crazies, you know, the media.

They're just this this pack of crazy people in the media.

And we all know the truth.

I think that's what it is.

They're ignoring it just like we ignored all those crazies in the universities.

That just shows how little credibility there is in the media.

Because, I mean, this is

the same thing every day.

Or another one,

Muslims.

Everyone hates, I mean, Ilan Omar, again, like it's, it's, everyone loves the Jews and hates the Muslims, right?

That's what we're supposed to believe from Omar.

So 49% of people would be comfortable or enthusiastic about a Muslim president.

Evangelical Christian is only 54%.

So, almost, again, we're within the margin of error there.

Would you be comfortable with an evangelical Christian president or a Muslim president?

The American people are saying basically it's a tie.

I mean, this is not a hateful nation, and it is, it's really frustrating that it's presented that way so often.

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We're glad you're here.

I learned a lot talking to the people at CPAC.

I listened to the speeches, I watched, I talked to members of the crowd.

It was a little hard to maneuver.

It was very flattering how many people were there and wanted to shake hands and say hello.

And I am grateful for that.

Thank you.

But I learned an awful lot by talking to people.

And there are two things that came out to me as a consensus.

I would ask people:

what is it that we, what is it we have to care about most?

And there are two things, and we'll get to that also the rest of this poll,

which is really quite telling and and an unbelievable story from somebody who says professors at college are predators.

And believe her, because they are.

That all happens in about 35 minutes.

Right now, Pat Gray is joining us.

He watched the Neverland Ranch.

I watched a little bit of it, probably

60% of it,

and just

couldn't take very much more of it.

It is

disturbing.

The second half is on HBO tonight.

Yeah.

Another two hours.

It's a four-hour documentary, and I found it compelling,

credible, but incredibly disturbing.

Okay, so

what is the biggest question you want answered?

Because let's see if it's the same with you.

I'm watching it, and one question just keeps coming to me, and I want it answered.

Tell me, what's the biggest question that you want answered?

If I didn't already have it answered, I think my main question would be:

why did they lie under oath at the jury trial?

I think my question would have been, just from, and I did not watch it, but I've heard clips of it, is how did the parents allow this to go off?

That too.

Well, that one is my number one question.

But

you see it when they talked about it.

They had the parents on last night.

I know, I know.

And they talk about it.

And while I would have made different choices, it seems kind of reasonable that they thought, well, this guy's the biggest star in the world.

How bad is that?

They talk about this in a lot.

The parents in particular and the kids, they're like, look,

he's validated by society.

You know, he's off with Princess Diana and the President of the United States, and then he comes back and he wants to have sex with you.

And you're like, okay, this is normal.

And the parents are like, how could he be that?

I mean, look at how popular he is.

Everybody who's anybody lines up to see him.

I heard one one clip, and you guys may have seen the context more around this, but that they had fax machines, no texting, no emails.

They had fax machines back in the day, and so the parents would come home to their floor of their office littered with faxes because Michael Jackson was faxing their kid over and over and over and over again, little notes of, I can't wait to see you.

You're so much fun, blah, blah, blah.

Like that happens one time.

Do you not

make it

a hard fast rule that this person never sees your child again?

I would, yeah.

Again, I would like to talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist, somebody who has studied this.

It would be great to have a guest on because they haven't done this yet.

Maybe they do tonight, but somebody that can explain the normalcy bias on this particular case.

Because I thought the same thing, you know,

here's a grown man who is like crying because your son is going to go to the Grand Canyon for a week.

And he's like, I don't want to be alone.

I don't want to be alone.

And you're like, I mean, as a parent,

it's kind of creepy.

But they were all set up by Jackson's handlers and everything else as he's like a nine-year-old boy.

And so you, and I remember saying this, Pat and I talked about this.

We're not sure if he did it or if he was just stunted in his growth and he had no childhood.

So he's acting like a child

for years.

Yeah.

And you seem to be shaken from that because you used to say that even on Pat and Stoof a couple years ago, you would say that.

Yeah.

This documentary has really kind of changed my mind.

It's pretty compelling.

And they're both so credible.

And then Vanity Fair did this 10 undeniable things about the sex abuse scandal that are proven.

And that's pretty compelling.

You know, that things like at the age of 34, he slept more than 30 nights in a row in the same bed with a 13-year-old boy.

That came out in court.

Five boys Michael Jackson shared beds with have accused him of abuse.

He paid $25 million to settle one family's case, and we don't know how many millions to settle the others.

It's rumored up to $200 million he paid families to settle abuse claims.

He suffered from the skin discoloration disease vitiligo.

And so he had markings on his man unit.

And Jordy Chandler, who the 13-year-old that slept with him 30 nights in a row, drew those markings exactly.

That came out in a court of law.

I don't remember that.

Well, he might have been a psychic.

That's damning.

He might have been a psychic.

Hey, we all play the lottery.

You get the numbered balls right, you win.

That's not a good point.

It is a fact, and they talked about this on the documentary last night.

That is, the hallway leading to the bedroom was seriously covered in security, so he would know of anybody's approach.

Yeah, that was crazy.

You know what?

They kept showing the door

with all he like had six different locks on it.

And

you could not get in there without him knowing.

Yeah.

He had bells and

he would set things up so you could hear anybody approaching.

He had an extensive collection of adult pornography that had his fingerprints on it and the kids fingerprints on it.

And they said

that he showed it to him all the time and it creeped him out.

The Neverland staff say that they never saw or knew of a woman ever spending the night with Michael Jackson, including his two wives.

That's amazing.

Okay, Debbie Rowe and Lisa Marie Presley never spent the night with their husband?

Are you surprised by that?

Do you remember that awkward kiss?

Yeah, I talked about that this morning because

was it the Grammys?

The Grammys.

And he had to kiss Lisa Marie, Marie and it was like...

It was like the first time it had ever happened.

Yeah, it was MTV Music Awards, wasn't it?

Maybe it was.

Maybe, but

it was the most awkward thing.

It was like he had never kissed a girl ever in his life.

The parents of the boys that he shared beds with were given expensive gifts.

Now, I don't know if that proves anything, but

Jimmy Safechuck's parents, he's featured in the documentary, got a house for Michael Jackson at one one point.

And in the documentary in 2002, Living with Michael Jackson, remember the Martin Bashir thing?

Yeah.

He did say there was nothing wrong with sharing his bed with boys.

And he said the same thing to Ed Bradley on 60 Minutes.

So, you know, the parents of this kid get a house.

And I guess that's the question there.

Like, because even if, let's just say, as a parent,

the pitch comes to you, look, he's just a nine-year-old boy.

He's got the mindset of a nine-year-old boy.

You have to understand that.

And you know what?

Let's just say you're in this weird world.

The guy's buying houses, and you're just, I don't know, you convince yourself that that's true.

Do you still expose your kid to a guy, an adult, who thinks like a nine-year-old kid for long stretches of time?

Even just that, my answer is absolutely not.

You don't, but here's how this is a cult of personality.

This is a society that

bases at the very beginning of basing everything into celebrity.

You know, wealth, fame, celebrity, skill.

The guy was really a skilled singer, really a skilled act

dancer, and

he was accomplished and beloved by everybody.

And so you have this feel.

I mean, I could see in a way, I could see in a way that

you wanted, I mean, if you looked, if you watched the documentary, the parents said, oh, my heart was beating so fast when, you know, he would say, hey, do you want to come and stay with us and everything?

I mean,

it was such a big deal, such an honor.

And they believed they were friends.

Like, the parents thought that Michael was their friend, not necessarily.

I mean, the kids as well.

But they like thought they had a good, tight relationship.

This is like a close friend of the family.

Michael would call the mother of the boys, both of them, actually, and talk to them sometimes for six or seven hours at a time.

One of them lived in Australia.

And so that, you know, that was during long-distance charges at the time.

So, yeah, they were taken in by it.

That's bizarre.

That is very bizarre.

And where do you draw that?

Because, I mean, you made the point on News and Why It Matters, which, by the way, Pat's on as well as us every day.

You can watch it on Blazetv.com/slash Beck.

You made the point that

the death of due process is here

with this documentary.

We've seen it with R.

Kelly.

We've seen it with Harvey Weinstein.

And again, all of these people, I think, are are kicked out.

They seem like bad guys.

Right.

And that's not, but that's not a good reason to convict people because I watched a documentary and I'm pretty sure.

Like, that is not the standard of justice, but it's become the standard of justice.

Yeah.

And it's interesting, too, because when you're thinking of Michael Jackson,

back in the late 80s and early 90s, this guy was so big that there's nothing to really compare it to.

One of them said last night, there's nobody like him today.

And I think that's true.

I think it is too.

It is

maybe maybe Donald Trump.

Maybe Donald Trump is that big.

Or at least.

Everyone knows.

Everyone knows who he is.

Although he's more polarized.

Polarized, yeah.

Than Michael Jackson.

The thing that this documentary does really well is it does bring you back to that time when they're showing the Pepsi commercial.

They're not just showing the Pepsi commercial.

They're showing the crowds and the people that were around.

And you remember

thousands of people.

I mean, I remember where we went.

I remember you know, when we were in radio in 1982,

the Victory Tour, 83 or somewhere in that era.

84.

The Victory Tour, it was so massive.

And no concert ticket was ever over eight bucks.

Ever.

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Good seats.

At the Jackson Victory Tour were $18 and $19.

Oh, my goodness.

And that was a scandal.

And that was a scandal.

That was like, how can this guy?

Everyone said it better be worth $18.

Okay.

Wow.

Right.

And it was.

And it just built on itself and built on itself.

It was everywhere.

There were practically, it was probably a lot like

Elvis, the Elvis mania was and the Beatle mania.

Definitely.

Except Michael Jackson, unlike I think the Beatles, Michael Jackson took all of society.

I mean, it took from the teenagers to the grandmothers.

I mean, everyone was a fan of Michael Jackson.

Yeah.

You really remember it?

I mean, I was a, I was in 84, so I was eight years old in 84.

I do remember him being, I was never a Michael Jackson fan,

but I do remember it.

I was 10 in 84.

Oh, you were?

Yeah, a couple of years ago.

So you haven't been born yet.

Oh, really?

You're that young.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's weird because you were just talking about being at radio radio back then.

Well,

hey, I'm here to testify that children in the womb

are children.

They are children.

Yeah, because you hosted a radio show.

I hosted a radio show.

That's incredible.

I do remember the fact that the heartbeats, we did a couple of numbers.

Anyway, go ahead.

Every time, you know, I remember watching like MTV.

Every time something would come out, it was just nonstop Michael Jackson.

And then

my favorite part of this era was, of course, six months later when the weird Al parody would come out of the big Michael Jackson song.

That's what I liked about it.

I mean, think of, though, how, I mean, it was dominating culture.

One guy basically dominating all of culture.

Yeah.

And now, here we are.

I mean, everyone from that era, Bill Cosby and Michael Jackson were the two people you'd point to, television and music that defined that era.

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Last weekend, I was at CPAC and I talked to mainly the youth.

And I learned an awful lot, one of which

is we've already lost the colleges.

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Nobody thinks that we should be concentrating on the colleges with an exception of just saving the ones that are there who are savable.

But we have to look elsewhere.

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One of truly the best employees that we have, Samantha Sullivan, she is content and digital marketing manager at Blaze Media.

She's been with us for a while now and she's remarkable and she knows her own self.

She's also a Christian, but she said in this amazing article that has come out on the blaze,

college professors are predatory.

Here's how one almost robbed me of my faith.

I read this with my jaw on the floor because her faith is so strong.

What she went through in college, she will share next.

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So, Sam, I was shocked that you were the author of this article.

Yeah.

Because you're so strong.

I mean, I just look at you as a leader and you just are rock solid in what you believe.

Yeah.

Tell me about your college experience.

So I pretty much was brought up a Christian my whole life up until 18.

And my mom didn't really worry about me very much.

So when I went to college, I was very headstrong, right?

I probably like gave her so many problems.

She was probably so happy that I was out of the house, get out of here.

And so, she probably trusted me, and she probably trusted the Institution of Higher Learning.

And so, when I got to college, I remember it was either a reading or writing class that I had, and I had it with a guy who was very likable.

I mean, he looked like a rocker to me, and he was just so cool.

And I really looked up to him, and I trusted everything he was saying.

And

basically, the first week out of the gate, he started telling me, like, telling the whole class, like, God is BS and religion is BS.

What was he teaching?

I think it was just, I don't know the subject, I don't remember the subject, but it was writing.

So, we were supposed to be taught how to think critically and become great writers and challenge

ideas.

But with him, he was just so hell-bent that whole semester on basically disparaging Christians and Christianity.

And at the time, I got there, you know, I say in my article, I was super naive.

I was young.

I was hungry to learn.

My mom and my dad didn't go to college.

My mom did maybe some community college.

So to me, this was like a whole brand new world.

I'm thinking I'm going to learn all these things and I'm looking up to these professors.

And when my professor started basically dismantling my religion,

he was very persuasive and he was very likable and he seems like he seemed like he knew what he was talking about.

And so I trusted his intellect and that semester by the end of that semester I was calling myself an atheist but I didn't really I didn't you had gone from a Christian to an atheist in one semester yeah in one semester and I remember that was the MySpace days and my mom was like what's this I see on your MySpace about you being an atheist because you could fill out the religious part

and I just kind of I don't even remember what I really told her, but it was about one or two years that I was convinced by this professor that that God was BS.

It was interesting because you said, well, there's a couple of things I took out of it.

First of all, I'm going to save so much money on tuition.

It's incredible

how much money I'm not going to spend on college for my kids.

But also, you talked about maybe writing this anonymously at first.

Why did you think that anonymous was the right way to go?

And then eventually you wound up actually putting your name to it.

I think I was ashamed and embarrassed.

I think it's one of the biggest regrets that I have that I so easily denied God.

And when I came back to the faith, I had I struggled a lot because I was like,

I denied him so easily.

Like, is he going, am I going to be accepted again?

Am I saved?

Does he still love me?

And so,

and as a conservative and working at the Blaze, what kind of who wants to admit that they were fooled and that they like the liberal and that they believe their ideas?

But we all have been.

Yeah.

We have all been duped.

Duped.

Even when, even when, you know, my age, you can be duped.

Yeah.

I mean, it's, it's, it's really hard and hard to admit, but you have to.

Otherwise you, you live a life alone and I think in darkness.

Yep.

And that's how I felt.

I felt duped and I felt dumb.

I felt really dumb.

But then I started thinking about it.

You know,

these professors are in a position of power and authority and they wield that over their students instead of.

They're basically taking advantage of their intellect, which is so young at that point.

You don't really know how to think critically and your brain isn't fully developed, which I mentioned in the article, your prefrontal cortex, the part that controls impulse.

So, when an argument sounds great, you're just going to, I mean, you're going to probably buy into it.

And that's exactly what I did.

And that's why I wanted to write it anonymously until Aaron Collin here at the Blaze, he said, don't do it.

Don't write it anonymously.

There are probably tons of college kids going through the same thing and sitting where you sat.

And it's true because I got tons of messages afterwards

about

kids singled out.

Yeah, I mean, it really struck me as something, you know, as I'm ancient compared to you,

as something that every parent of faith needs to read because it's just,

I would never think it was that overt.

My idea of how, you know, kids go in these crazy directions as they go to college is like, you know, well, there's peer pressure and you're coming into your own.

And yeah, there's this sort of subtle influence of maybe liberalism and maybe atheism throughout these colleges.

I never would have thought week one, a professor is saying in front of an entire class, God is BS

and explaining that in detail for a semester.

That's eye-opening to me.

Yeah, that's eye-opening.

I will tell you that Hannah went to a Catholic university, Fordham University, and she was taught that the Bible is nonsense and, you know, not sure if Jesus was real and all of this stuff.

I mean, that's insanity, and that's at a religious school.

Is it at a religious school?

No, it's not.

Well, they were priests that were, they were Jesuits that were teaching it.

So there's your first problem.

But it is, when I was walking around CPAC,

the people your age that I talked to, they were all saying the same thing.

College is a nightmare.

It's a nightmare.

It's just over.

You get in, it's over.

We need to start concentrating on the lower grades.

And they're already doing that in public school.

The left is already doing that.

But we've lost this last generation.

What do the people who have written you this weekend said?

I had one girl on Twitter who had a Christian group on campus and the professor would mock her Christian group and they would just target them and ridicule them and like hiss at them anything that they did.

And then I had Alexander write to me, the graphic designer here at the Blaze and said, yeah, I was always targeted and singled out when I tried to argue with my professor about God or religion.

And that's fine.

Like, I'm not saying don't challenge us, but what I'm saying is at least present all of the explanations for religion.

If you're going to talk about atheism, talk about people who are agnostic, talk about Buddhism, talk about Islam, and then just

present the evidence and let us decide.

Instead, they're just teaching us a conclusion that they've already drawn.

So,

are people in college,

are they

just not hearing the message and will be open to the message?

Or are they hostile to the other message?

So I think it's two things.

When I was in college, you know, there wasn't an Ali Stuckey in college, right?

There wasn't a Stephen Crowder or a Ben Shapiro yet.

So I wasn't hearing any conservative or alternative viewpoints.

So there's that.

And then there's this thing about Christians being the oppressors in this social justice realm, right?

So they justify discriminating against Christians by linking them to Columbus when he came over and, you know,

introduced Christianity, and then they link it to the

Ku Klux Klan.

So any time a Christian speaks out and says, hey, that's not right, like you're oppressing this you're, you know, you're shutting down this person's speech, they justify it by saying, well, the Christians aren't an oppressed class.

So it's okay to do that.

So it's it's different things.

There's hostility and then there's students who aren't they're just not not being reached yet.

And that's why Allie is so important in her podcast and everything she does because she's meeting these students.

And Ben Shapiro and Stephen Crowder are meeting these students where they are.

I think that's really important.

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So we're talking to Samantha Sullivan.

She's a content and digital marketing manager of Blaze TV.

One of the most impressive 20-somethings I have met coming through the Blaze.

And shocking to me that she said and she wrote an op-ed this weekend at the Blaze that she lost her faith for a while.

Because you were actually right, almost robbed me of my faith, but you write in there, you're 18 years old when this happens, and you write later on, eventually at the age of 20.

So, I mean, this was two years of your life where this really kind of w did work to rob you of your faith.

So, first, before we go to what parents should know, tell me what brought you back to the faith.

Basically,

I was spiritually dead for like one or two years, and I was just hanging out with just terrible people, and my life wasn't really on track to where it should have been.

And, you know, I was going out a lot, and there's binge drinking and everything.

And so, I wish I had like this grand explanation, but I just woke up one day and I went back to church.

And I remember just bawling my eyes out during worship because I just felt so ashamed that how could I have denied God for two whole years?

And I was just completely ashamed.

And so it was just, I just had a moment one day and I just woke up and I went back.

And ever since then, I just kind of couldn't believe who I was for those two years.

Boy, how lucky.

Because it seems like, as a parent, at least like you're, you try to do everything right.

It seems like your parents did, right?

Like you, you set this foundation, you get the person, you know, your kid to this point where you think they're going to be able to handle themselves in this situation.

Yeah.

And you can't, you can't internalize the pressure of and how that feels for someone at that age who's not brain isn't even fully formed to be able to deal with that.

That is terrifying.

Glad you've gone through it 9,000 times.

I have.

It's awful.

That's That's terrifying.

So tell me what a parent needs to, a parent needs to know.

I think they need to know what's happening in their child's life when they go to college and understand that just because we're 18 and we're on our own and we're supposed to be like this adult now, that we still need our parents as much as any other time in our life.

And I don't blame my mom at all.

I think she just thought I was this independent person and I was strong and she didn't have to worry about me.

And she, you know, she worked a lot.

I have like four brothers.

And I think she just trusted me and she trusted the institution.

So I think, sadly, parents, you can't trust these institutions anymore.

It's not about being an intellectual or challenging ideas anymore.

It's about indoctrinating people to this liberal agenda.

I mean,

in my piece,

I talk about how

Republicans are outnumbered by Democrats like 70 to 1.

So I think just being aware of that and checking in with your, you know, your child while they're at college and seeing what they're learning learning about their professors too i mean you can go on twitter and social media and find out exactly who they are now

so what if anything could your your parents have done for you to prepare you to walk into that lion's den

that's hard um

i think

my mom could have been

It was just her on her own.

So I'm not sure exactly what she could have done differently.

I would have to ask her now.

I never really talked about this to anyone.

Until this?

No.

Every time I shared my testimony with my Christian friends or church groups, I skipped over the professor part.

I just told them.

That's the most powerful part.

I know.

And I would just tell them, oh, I just fell away from the faith for like one or two years.

And then I came back and, you know, felt ashamed that I did that or denied him.

So I never really talked to her about it.

Has she read the article?

Yeah, she has.

And has she written or called you?

She's, I mean, she's kind of texted me and said that was good.

And, you know, I sent it to my in-laws too.

And she's like, wow, that is amazing.

And my husband read it, and he went to Stephen F.

Austin in Nacogdoches, and his experience was just the polar opposite.

Like, he didn't see all the stuff that I saw going to UT El Paso or the University of North Texas.

So I think they're all kind of shocked in a way.

Well, I mean, you you know, look, the good, the upside is if the university is going to take faith away from your kid, at least you're not paying tens of thousands of dollars a year to set them right.

That would really be a kick in the stomach.

So

I have a son who is

challenging.

And

he has questions about God.

And I've taken the

maybe the contrary route than what everybody else would take.

I've taken the route of, he said to me, you know, Dad, I don't know if I believe in God.

And I've said,

good,

good.

I mean, he believes in you, but that's cool that you don't believe in him.

Now it's your job to find out.

You can't just say, I don't believe in God.

Tell me why you don't.

Tell me that you've gone on a real search and you've actually turned over every stone and I think even even kids that say they believe in God

need to be challenged with their faith in the home yeah so if the parents are throwing them up against the wall a bit going you know what

why do you believe that why do you I mean this could be total nonsense and challenging them and preparing them so they've already done the mental gymnastics on this topic Because I think if you go to college and you've only heard one side, that other side, especially when it's presented by a cool

professor that you really respect and he's in a high position, your parents are just your parents.

All of a sudden, they're going to present new things and new thoughts.

And you'll think, my parents didn't know about this.

My parents had no idea.

And I got this from my dad because I was humble enough to ask my dad questions in my 30s.

And my dad, I could talk to him about Einstein.

I could talk to him about Immanuel Kant.

I could talk to him about anything.

My dad was a baker.

I had no idea.

But my father had gone through the same thing that everybody goes through, a time of searching.

And as soon as I realized with him, oh my gosh, he has searched all these, my opinion of him changed.

He wasn't just my dad who's a baker.

He was a deep thinking individual who had

turned over all the stones himself.

And I think that's critical.

You know, people were really negative on the parents in the movie The Village, but honestly, I think they had something down there.

If you kind of drag them into a field and tell them there's no technology, this stuff all goes away.

All we have to do is just find somebody that's strong enough to make sure that the government doesn't fly any planes over our field.

And we're set.

Thank you so much.

Yeah.

Appreciate it.

The story's up on the blaze.com, by the way.

You should read it if you're a parent.

Any parent of faith absolutely should read this story because it's

pass it on to your children as well.

I think, Stu, do you remember the day I said on the air, I turned the mic and I said, Glenn Beck just ended his career today?

It's because I admitted to somebody, to the audience, something I had never admitted before.

in my life.

They didn't know that I was an alcoholic or anything.

And

it was the day day that I realized, oh my gosh, I'm not alone.

And I think the same thing is probably already happening with you.

Yeah.

That people are reaching out and you're like, oh, my gosh, I've been hiding something.

But so many people think this way.

And

that's the key.

That was the key to the 9-12 project.

You're not alone.

Start saying these things and you'll notice, oh, my gosh, I'm surrounded.

I'm in a sea of people who feel the same way.

This is a good setup to your story about transition that we have coming up next week.

Glen's gonna be transitioning to

a new male.

We optimal.

I mean, let's not go too far.

Somewhere male is 57 choices.

Pick one in between.

I mean, we're not going male-esque.

This is where we're going to land.

All right.

Sam, thank you so much.

Thank you guys.

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They say God works in mysterious ways.

I come out the VA and get in my car, and I, you know, it'll turn the car on, and the radio is already set to the talk station and you're on.

And the topic that you and that young lady was talking about, I just went through this weekend.

I have a 21-year-old that's in college who recently told me, Dad, I want to have fun.

I don't believe in God.

That whole King James Bible thing is gone.

I'm going to drink, smoke, do drugs, and there's nothing that anybody can do.

And I'm trying to understand,

again, graduated eighth in his class.

He's going to graduate, get his bachelor's a year early.

He's in the national, fifth year, in the National Guard.

I'm like, wait a minute, what?

How?

And I was, I'm just, I'm floored.

I don't understand where it came from.

And I'm, you know, trying to piece together what went wrong.

I mean, he's number four of five children.

from 33 down to my 16 year old that's still at home.

And it rocked my world so bad that I'm having to reevaluate myself as a father to what I'm going to do these last two years for a 16-year-old.

And I thought my sons and daughters had everything that they needed.

I thought the foundation that I built for them was solid enough for them to withstand.

Not just liberalism, but whatever they would go through.

Because again, they sat with me day after day.

talk radio.

We talked about conservatism.

We talked about wealth, money management, and more importantly, we talked about faith in God.

And he's only in his third year in college, and it seems like I've lost him.

And excuse me for getting emotional, but it hurts because it makes me seem like somewhere I either missed something or I failed.

Okay, Greg.

There is a reason why you were listening today.

And let me help see if

let me see if I can help you through some of this.

First of all, you didn't fail.

If you've done everything you know, you didn't fail.

Many times children will divorce themselves from the parents and say, I don't want any of that stuff.

But life changes them.

And sometimes they sow their wild oats and it

is something that comes back and bites them.

If you have done all you can, you now have to trust the Lord to do the rest of it

and continue to

love him.

Let me give you this one piece, and I hope this helps.

You lost one out of four.

The Lord lost a third of his children.

If you look at the war in heaven and the angels that were up in heaven, they broke away and went with Lucifer.

He lost a third.

Now you think you failed.

How do you think God looked at that?

God, God's God.

We know God did everything right.

We knew God was.

How could you break away a third of the angels who knew God, who saw God, who understood it all?

And I am convinced, Greg,

the argument that that happened, the war in heaven, I think was more of a war of words, the war in heaven is exactly what we are going through right now.

And everyone is susceptible to this because of their heart and their free will.

Listen, if you were an angel in heaven,

And I tried to get you away from the Creator, God, the omnipotent, the all-loving,

all-kind.

How do you do that?

Well,

I have to flip

the story of him.

And I think the easiest way to do it is in the war in heaven, okay, as they're coming up with how do we,

what are we going to do with these humans?

What are we going to do?

How are we going to send them down?

We'll create humans.

And how are they going to come back up here?

And how are they going to be with their Father in heaven?

Well, there's one plan.

And one plan is, look,

there's going to be lots of suffering and misery and disease and everything else.

And I'm going to take that all away.

I'll take it all.

Everybody, just go down there, follow me, and do exactly what I say.

And then you'll come back and everything will be fine.

Jesus says, no, you know what?

There's another way.

Let everybody go down there and find it for themselves.

Let them go and have free will and be themselves and discover it.

Because if they discover it themselves through the pain, they're going to be strong enough to come back.

And anybody who needs to be washed clean, I'll take on the suffering as well.

Lord picks that one.

Now, if you're one of the angels,

you are listening to Satan, and Satan would stand up very calmly and say, okay, let me tell you a little bit about dad here.

Let me talk a little bit about the guy that we have all worshiped at.

He is saying that he knows that humans are going to suffer.

He knows there's misery beyond your understanding, disease, temptation, war, famine, pain, suffering, death, aloneness.

There's all of these things that are going to happen, and he's fine with it.

And those who who are maybe too messed up to come home, he's saying, I'm going to send my favorite son down, and I'm going to put him through all of that, and then they're going to nail him to a tree.

Wow, dad,

thanks a lot.

Now think of this,

because this is the same argument that is being used for socialism.

The same people that are skewing perhaps your son in college are doing the same thing.

First of all, fun all the time.

Second of all, socialism.

I mean, listen, you know what the capitalists are doing?

You know what people are saying?

They're saying that you should go down and live your life in a world that is unfair,

where

people who are unfair, knowingly, They are going to stop you because of their bias.

Things are going to be so unequal.

Some will have so much money they won't know what to do with.

Others are going to have nothing and they're going to starve to death.

Some people who are really smart are never going to make it because they're the wrong gender,

they're the wrong

color, or they're just not popular enough.

They don't have another set of skills and they're never going to make it and they're going to waste away.

People are going to be lonely and hungry.

And what does the government say?

The government says, let them be hungry.

Let them be alone.

Let them stumble.

Let them fall.

Because through their pain, they'll learn.

And it's their own free will.

And a socialist will say,

really?

That's your compassionate government.

That's your constitutional compassion?

And you want to restrain us, the government?

All we're saying is the government should be required to do some things for some people,

and you want to restrain us.

Greg, the same thing that your son

went through and is lost, and I pray temporarily

is the same thing

that the third of the angels went through.

And the Lord lost a third, and they ain't coming back.

But hopefully your son will.

If God couldn't keep all of his children,

how could we be expected to?

Greg, I pray for you.

I pray for your son, and I ask the audience to do the same.

Keep your chin up, brother.

You did what you had to do.

You did what you did.

Now love him while he's on another path.

isn't that everybody's worst nightmare just worst nightmare especially when you think you know you've done everything right right you've worked hard you haven't

i know a lot of people who have done so many things right and their kids go wrong i've i know people who have done so much wrong and their kids go right i mean it is

It is a little bit of a crapshoot.

Yeah, you can't micromanage it.

That's why

two is enough.

I mean, if you get into that number where you're like nine or ten of them, one of them is definitely going to be a serial killer.

It's almost why I was always trying to increase the odds.

I was like, you know, if I have 10, maybe one of them will go right.

Ah, huh?

So far, I'm betting 1,000, though.

I'm betting 1,000.

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Let's go to Rhonda, North Carolina.

Hello, Rhonda.

Hi, Glynn.

What's up?

How are you?

Hi, I'm so glad to speak to you.

I love you.

I love you coming in on my phone and not on my radio.

This is pretty cool.

Yeah,

I love women from the Carolinas because they always just sound so nice.

They could tell you off and use every nasty word in the language, and yet you'd still, they'd follow it with, would you like some sweet tea?

And it just sounds so pleasant.

So, how are you?

We could tell you to go to the devil, and you look forward to the trip.

That's exactly right.

So, what's up, Rhonda?

Yeah, I wanted to tell you about our experience.

It's kind of the same, but different.

My son went to a college here in North Carolina, and he went into broadcasting.

Funny.

So, he goes into school.

And, of course, you know, as a freshman, he's going to take every easy course he can.

So he comes up and looks and says, oh, mom, look, introduction to Christianity.

I was raised in the church.

I went to Christian school all my life.

This will be easy.

So he takes the course, and immediately the professor starts

teaching things that are really not

kind of like what your writer had gone through.

And he was teaching exact opposite.

So he's coming home, but mom, this is what he's saying, and this is this.

And I argue with him in class all the time, and it's just not fun.

I'm not enjoying it.

It's not what I thought it would be.

So then for the end of the year, he had to write his thesis.

Well, he chose Sodom and Gomorrah, which was sticking a finger in his eye, in the professor's eye.

The professor gives him an F, not just for the paper, but the whole course.

Holy cow.

And

he said that the reason he did that was because there have been new writings and new research, and it turns out Sodom and Gomorrah wasn't really a true story anymore.

That was

just proven.

So he gave my son an F.

So we go to the chaplain.

We had met the chaplain at the school and we go to him and he said, hey,

show me what has he taught you all year.

So we showed him so many of the teachings.

And the dean looked at it.

The chaplain took it to the dean and the dean said, these were not approved.

They have to, from what I hear, they have to submit their teachings, what they're going to cover to the dean, and the dean has to approve them.

And if they go off topic then it's not not good so long story short they told my son look he gave you an F and we can't really

let you take it over but what we can do is remove the F and let you take the course again to a different professor so although we had to pace the summer school he went he took Christianity he made a B in it probably could have made more but you know it was summer I will tell you Rhonda that is that's an amazing story and I don't think that happens at every university.

I think you're

lucky that

it's got to be parental involvement.

You can't just sit there and go, oh, well, you made a asked.

Better luck next time.

Parents have got to be involved with the colleges.

They've got to call.

They've got to go up there and look at the people in the eye and say, what's happening here?

Yeah.

You can't just talk about they're not the new babysitters.

Yeah.

Rhonda, thank you so much for your phone call.

The other thing that you need to do is

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There's so much information now on professors and knowing what that course is about, knowing what that professor teaches.

And as I have always said,

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And

that way I'm forced to look at both sides and I want a credible argument on all sides.

That's how you teach critical thinking.

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The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment.

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Hello, America.

It's Monday.

Today, I want to start with the American dream.

What is it?

Most people think it's been lost.

But what has been lost?

What defines the American dream?

I was at CPAC this weekend where they were where the question was, what is it that makes America great?

A lot of different answers.

I didn't hear anyone talk about the American dream in its original context.

We do that

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There's a new book out called Alienated America: Why Some Places Thrive and Others Collapse.

And it was written by Tim Carney, and he is a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, where he works on competition, cronyism, civil society, localism, and religion in America.

Again, the new book is called

Alienated America.

Tim, welcome to the program.

Thanks for having me, Glenn.

I want to talk to you about the American Dream.

The American Dream

was

first really codified, if you will, in a book.

I'm trying to remember what it was called, America's Progress or something.

And it was during the FDR administration and the New Deal.

And that's when the American Dream was made into, you know, your own house, et cetera, et cetera.

Before that, what was the American Dream?

I think Alexis de Tocqueville probably should have come up with that term because he was the one who described it.

He wrote Democracy in America, you know, 200 years ago, and he described that what made America so unique and special was the way that we're constantly dividing off and creating lots of little platoons.

That was Edmund Burke's term for it.

We're always making new associations.

We have local governments that have real powers.

We're starting little churches, little groups, whether it's sports or civic or an alumni association or a veterans association.

Those things are the American dream.

The ability to sort of access your neighbors, to connect to people, to get a sense of purpose and your own private safety net almost through these little organizations that you join by choice, but kind of rope you in and you stick to.

Those that is the American dream.

Civil society, not necessarily government and not necessarily individualism but something in between

so what's happened to that

well it's eroded for sure and particularly among the working class and the middle class so Robert Putnam who's a liberal sociologist he wrote a book that was really good back in 2000 called bowling alone a lot of you probably heard of that and he said look people americans aren't connecting as much and so what I did in Alienated America was I looked at is that particularly affecting the working class And sure enough,

especially in rural America and parts of suburban America, there's fewer churches.

There are fewer organizations bringing people together.

More and more, people sort of have

an individual connected to the government or connected to sort of their only little platoon, sort of, so to speak, are a political party they belong to or something.

And so through all sorts of factors, whether it's, and we should talk about technology, government,

secularization, people are not as well connected to these little institutions that are so crucial to the good life.

I remember when I was growing up, there was the Moose Lodge and the Elks Club and, you know, the Rotary Club, and my dad was a member of all of those things.

And, you know,

you would go to all of these different events, and they were all connected to local people, and they were your friends and neighbors.

And it's not just, yeah, and they're not just nice things they're really important is what i try to argue here what do you mean

so people who are less connected who belong to fewer organizations um the the data i put throughout the book is there's lower uh life expectancy they're less likely to get married and these women are more likely to have children out of wedlock even economically one of the things i do in alienated america is i compare pittsburgh which is doing pretty well right now even after the collapse of the steel industry to parts of rural pennsylvania which are not doing very well at all.

And I argue that one of the big differences is that Pittsburgh had all these institutions.

They had museums and parks.

And the little neighborhoods, here's the Italian Catholic neighborhood, here's Squirrel Hill, the Jewish neighborhood.

That allowed people to get through the downtime still with good education.

The schools were kept better.

People were kept from Skid Row.

Marriages were kept together.

So that when the economy swung back, that was a good place to start up a business.

And so

you're actually more likely to die of drug overdoses if you live in a place that has fewer of these organizations you're talking about.

So where is the place where the American dream is the healthiest?

It's healthiest in two different types of places.

One, it's the elite circles.

They actually practice what we conservatives preach.

You go to I start in the village of Chevy Chase, but you go to that's in Maryland.

You go to all sorts of these places where everybody has a college degree and guess what?

They finish school, get a job, get married, have kids, coach a little league, get involved in their kids' schools and all that.

But there's only going to be so many of those elite places, right?

The more important one are strong church communities.

Go to Mormon, Utah.

Go to Dutch Reform in western Michigan, like Holland, Michigan.

I go to a village called Oostberg in Wisconsin.

I spent a few days at the diner counter there, and it was just amazing.

The biggest complaints people had is that the Christmas concert at the high school, it was too packed because all the neighbors, even the ones without kids in the schools, were there to see this Christmas concert.

And what do they find?

They have all the good outcomes that the elites have: about more marriage, less out-of-wedlock birth, less drug overdose, less college dropout.

So that's the most important thing.

There's a church on the cover of Alienated America because this is about church is the fundamental institution of civil society in America.

And so, efforts to drive it out of the public square, which you saw in the Obama administration, that's real, you can't do that and also love the working class and the middle class.

So,

where is it the worst?

It's worse in

well, for two generations we've seen lots of inner-city neighborhoods have these problems.

A lot of people would talk about the decline of the family, the present fathers among inner city black families.

A lot of that same thing is going on in parts of rural America.

And what happened was these were places that had these institutions, but only a few of them.

And then when an economic shock hit, like the steel mill shuts down outside of Pittsburgh, there wasn't enough of a safety net of these things.

And so a few of the families got up and left and the diner shuts down and then not enough people are going to the church and it shuts down and the people who are left don't have those connections.

They don't have

the safety net, the sense of support, the modeling, the advice that

all these little organizations provide us.

So a lot of where it's getting worse the most now are, frankly, the places that rallied to Trump the earliest.

When he said the American dream was dead and the elites didn't buy it, there were people who said, yeah, come to my town.

We're still trying to piece together our fish fries and a Memorial Day parade, but it's getting harder and harder to do it.

Our community bonds are crumbling.

And they, and many people think it's because of economics, but you make the point that the American Dream has nothing to do with economics.

Well, economics is a factor, but again,

the keys, those great towns I was talking about in Utah or Oostburg, Wisconsin, they've got middle-class economics.

economics, but what they have are, again, really strong churches.

They've got the rotary clubs and the swim clubs and that sort of thing.

Where the American dream seems dead, you can't just look at places that had economic struggles.

You have to look at places where even if the closing factory was the first domino, the thing that's killer is when people lose their local diner, their local library, and most importantly, again, their local church.

So I want to emphasize this again.

There's an effort on the left to drive churches out of the public square, to say, you guys can't be involved in charity, in adoption, in education.

And if you do that, you are killing the middle class.

Because throughout American history, the church has been the fundamental institution of civil society for the middle class and the working class.

All right, back in just a second.

More with Timothy P.

Cardney, the author of Alienated America.

He traveled coast to coast and tried to figure out what is happening in America and what's happening with the American Dream.

And

he's come back with some really good research.

Alienated America.

We'll continue in a minute.

I'll point out to a third area where the American Dream is live and well is every town featured in a Hallmark Christmas movie.

There, no matter what the economics are, everyone's coming together for the big Christmas spectacular.

Yeah, my mother-in-law is in town, and we've spent a lot of time watching

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And

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They're really good.

They are.

They are.

They are.

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I was joking before the break that the Hallmark Christmas towns are the perfect place where all these things come true.

And I wonder if the popularity of that is associated with what Tim's talking about here, which is, you know, like there's this, there's an urge, there's a thirst to find that wonderful, you know, put a smile on it hometown community.

And it's been lost in so many areas of the country.

I wonder if that's kind of one of the ingredients that makes them make 37 of those every single year.

I think that's a great idea.

I mean, because this is a real thing that people remember and people need.

One of the things I say throughout the book is man is a political animal or a social animal, you can say, if you want, but that doesn't mean we are supposed to be lobbying and always talking about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Trump, etc.

It means that we're supposed to shape the world around us, not just go off and live our own lives, but shape the world around us.

But the way that most of us do that is through volunteering, through being part of the swim club, maybe through going to the local government or being on the PTA.

But with access to less and less of that stuff, that's when people turn more towards the central government.

But when you're talking about these movies, people are like, you know, wouldn't it be nice if you had next door neighbors who could watch your kid if you have to run out for a second?

That happens still in a lot of America, but so much of the country finds themselves alienated in these places where they don't have just those very simple safety nets and sense of purpose.

Well, a lot of people will make fun of those very towns that they claim they want.

I live in the summer for a month or so in this

little town in Idaho, and I love it.

I love the people there.

I love, you know, you walk into a grocery store and

you're just surrounded by people who know everybody and are talking in the middle of the grocery store and helping each other out.

It's a small town of like 500 people.

And it's just fantastic.

But you bring somebody in from a city and they'll be like, really?

I mean, how far is it to, you know, whatever they're looking for?

They'll make fun of those same towns

where they actually pine for what it feels like.

And they make fun of the idea that that personal level connectedness really matters, especially here in Washington, D.C., where I live.

People think, well, no, what matters is simply the economics.

And on the left, you have a lot of people who say, oh,

what people need is just, you know, more money, give it to them through a welfare check.

And some people on the right say, well, no,

if you're getting nostalgic about your hometown, you're not thinking ruthless economic efficiency enough or rugged individualism.

But these things matter.

And again, one of the points I make in Alienated America is that a lot of the elites are living these 1960s lifestyles in really strong small towns, but everybody has a college degree and an advanced degree.

But they don't realize how valuable that is.

They think it's through their own accomplishments that

their kids are turning out well, that their life is satisfying on a day-to-day basis.

They don't realize that the key to the good life are the strong communities for a lot of people built around making it easier to raise kids up to have success in life and generally be happy.

And so meanwhile, they don't think it matters that their policies can be destroying a lot of these small towns around the country because they say, oh, no, the GDP is higher and we have a bigger safety net, so everybody should be better off.

Guess what?

You'll look at the numbers on local level.

You know there's tons of places in America where not everything is going fine.

Are these the same towns that are struggling the most with

the churches closing, et cetera, et cetera?

Are these the towns that have the highest rates of suicide and drug addiction?

Absolutely.

That you can, if you look at where, and again, the front of the book has a shuttered church.

If you look at where that sort of thing is happening,

it's got all the worst outcomes on drug addiction, out of wedlock, birth.

Men dropping out of the labor force is another thing.

A lot of times you think, oh, well, that means that they're injured.

Well, there's a lot of evidence that people drop out of the labor force, and part of their illness, part of their disability is almost a sense of despair because you can feel pointless if you don't have real human connection.

And in my life, when I go to church, there's somebody who, when I know when she's waving me over after mass, I know it's because she has a new job for me.

Sometimes we try to avoid that person, but guess what?

Having a sense of purpose in life is absolutely crucial to staying happy and healthy.

I'm interested, Tim.

There's been a lot of talk in conservative circles about the work of Oren Cass and it sort of popularized recently

by one particular Tucker Carlson rant on Fox News.

Do you find that analysis appealing of the way the right has looked at economic figures and sort of made them God?

Or

is it more complicated than that?

I think that one part you just noted there is exactly right, that too often we try to make, A, the answer is economic growth, and we try to find all the explanations in pure economic numbers.

That was why for Alienated America, not only did I have to go to places, but I found the studies that look at the difference between, you know, Fayette County and Allegheny County.

There's a lot of social science that digs below the surface and looks at that.

I have disagreements with Tucker and Oren Cass on

what the solutions are just because I distrust government solutions to help it.

When the problem is the erosion of community, centralizing power cannot fix that problem.

So any federal law to fix this, I'm going to be very skeptical.

In the last chapter, I have some here's solution stuff, but on the federal government, it's all kind of thou shalt not command.

The government should stop doing these things that kill civil society.

And then there's still a lot more work to do after that.

But as far as what Washington can do, I don't think it can help.

You're not going to have a federal department of stronger

Knights of Columbus or anything like that.

So what is the ⁇ because because

if it really kind of boils down to the churches going out and et cetera, et cetera,

what is it that towns can do and churches can do?

Well, the first thing is, again, on the church front,

realize that a lot of the suffering is the fault of the mismanagement of these institutions.

I'm a Catholic, and I know that my church has driven a lot of people away by not facing squarely its own problems.

But then also realizing that you have to be institutions of civil society.

If you're a religious organization, if you're a club, if you're something, you can't just think, all right, we've got members and we're going to take care of them.

The wider community needs you to get out there and do something.

And maybe that means hosting a potluck where you donate.

people donate just what they can and you're welcoming in both the the hungry the poor the wealthy the people who desperately need a connection there needs to be something of

a real revival religiously but also civically just a sort of great awakening of you have a duty to serve your neighbor.

It's not the government's duty.

The government can't do it well, and it's not your other neighbor's duty.

It's your duty.

If you have the time, and even if you feel like you don't, this is what you got to do.

This is my big hope with Alienated America, is to spur people to say, you know what?

I'm going to build another institution like this.

I'm going to make sure that our swim club actually is a real community hub serving the needs of the families or the individuals in my area.

And it's got to be done one person at a time.

Timothy P.

Cartney, Carney, he is,

you're able to follow him on Twitter at TP Carney.

And the name of the book is Alienated America: Why Some Places Thrive While Others Collapse.

Great insight.

Thank you so much, Tim.

Thanks, Sam.

You bet.

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I was out at CPAC this weekend, and I talked to a lot of people, just attendees,

sitting in different conferences and listening to people talk.

And there are two things that I thought

were pretty much a consensus, people thought were absolutely vital to the point of a national emergency, and that is socialism and abortion, and not necessarily in that order.

I heard over and over again, we're no longer talking about abortion, we're talking about infanticide.

What has happened to us?

It can seem pretty overwhelming, but I saw, kind of against my own better judgment, I saw a movie in advance,

and I don't like to see these with the filmmakers because in case they really suck, I actually have to tell them they really suck.

And I don't like being in that position.

I saw the movie Unplanned.

Stu saw it with me, and it is fantastic.

It is the time.

It is the film for the time.

And halfway through, it gave me such hope and I was really

a spiritual feeling came over me that this is the time and

we may see the end of abortion

in my lifetime,

if not sooner.

Carrie Solomon and Chuck Konzelman are the producers and writers and producers of Unplanned.

They happen to be in the studio with us now.

Hi guys, how are you?

Very good, Glenn.

Very good.

Very pleased to be here.

I'm thrilled to have you guys on.

First of all,

great movie.

You

didn't go the usual route of Christian films and make a film that is just preaching to the choir.

I felt this is one I could take my non-Christian friends to.

You know, Christians aren't always the heroes

and the person that

doesn't believe in God isn't always the villain.

And you actually start out by showing some of these people who are screaming at these girls going in for abortions.

And

their intent is to stop abortions, and their intent is good, but their style is not good.

And you actually,

in the first few minutes, take these guys on and make them kind of villains in a way.

It's real life.

Unfortunately, that's where the pro-life started.

People thought by screaming murder or baby killer that people would stop.

It had the opposite reaction.

It was well-intentioned, but

as Abby's character and Abby in Real Life pointed out, in what world would a woman in a crisis pregnancy situation go to a guy dressed like the Grim Reaper to ask for

and carrying a scythe?

Abby really is that she was the first voice to come out that was really saying, we have to preach love.

We really have to preach love.

At least the voice that first cut through.

How did you guys come across her story?

And tell me about that.

We'd love to tell you it was some genius thing, but Carrie will probably.

Yeah, we were sitting in a coffee shop figuring out what we were going to do next.

And this young lady walks up to us with a book called Dunplan and says, you need to make this a movie.

And I'm like, yeah, okay.

Abortion.

I know a lot about that.

And, you know, if we had it our way, we would have made a Western.

I mean,

this was not our intention.

We like movies about angry men carrying powerful handguns.

But the Lord had another idea.

You know, we prayed on it.

He had read the book first and said, you know, you've got to read this.

And that kind of scared me because that kind of statement from him means there's something really good here.

And I read it and we both realized immediately it was for that time.

But the irony was that was six years ago.

And we prayed on it and the Lord said, not yet.

And we were confused.

And it took took four years for the Lord then to drop the Spirit on us again.

We were in our office working on a project, and he said to us, now, and that was 10 days before Donald Trump became president.

So timing was in this process, in this piece,

it's been about the timing.

And as terrible as the infanticide,

passing laws and doing such like that, we believe that it's for a time such as this that he delayed this.

That it's being readied for this particular time.

I think when you're watching it, there's absolutely no doubt.

There is no doubt that that was prepared for

this exact time.

You know, Gosnell came out, and that is such a horrible story.

I don't know if you guys saw it, but it was,

I mean, it's not what you would expect because it had such little coverage on it.

The guy was a serial killer

and disturbed all the way around.

This is a story where they're not disturbed.

The people that are doing it, the nurses are not evil.

They're likable.

I'd have them as my friends.

And yet they're doing and involved in these really disturbing things.

Now, you just got an R rating.

from the MPAA.

That's my surprise.

Yeah.

You mean by the organization presided over by a former Assistant Secretary of State from the Obama administration?

there could be an agenda there right now right

i think this is actually going to work to your advantage it is um we agree uh it is the because there is how many swear words are in there uh none of any significance yeah like there's there's like

where the hell is she going yeah we don't we go that far we don't go further no there's no warnings for pro the just going from the mpa's language there's no warning for profanity no warning for nudity no warning for sexual content because there isn't any it's only for the

disturbing scene.

Yes, and effectively violence associated with the termination of a human being.

So ironically, they're kind of supporting the pro-life stance indirectly, whether they realize it or not.

Well, when you see, and I assume this was all CGI, that was not a reality.

Yes,

it was started.

Actually, it's kind of funny.

Our editor's wife was 13 weeks pregnant when he started his work

and had an ultrasound handy and said, can I use

my son that will eventually be born?

Oh, my gosh.

And so we used that as the start for the animated model that would become

so it's all based off the

real child.

And it's the first child ever, by the way, in the credits of a movie.

The first actor ever, we gave their an acting credit to the baby in the womb.

Oh, that's great.

That's great.

I don't know if there'll ever be another one, but he was the first, Case Adams.

That's great.

So

when you depicted that,

explain that one scene.

You know,

Abby, when she went into the room, she never, you know, she oversaw the facility.

What people don't realize, they bring the doctors in.

And the doctor we used and the nurse that we used were real abortionists, by the way.

Yeah, Dr.

Anthony Levatino was a retired abortionist.

He specialized actually in second trimester abortions, which are rougher.

They're dismemberment abortions.

But he came in here.

And we got a real experienced abortion surgical nurse to play the nurse.

We wanted everything to be very, very, very realistic, not gratuitous, but authentic.

And so the chamber was laid out

as it would have been.

The right instruments were there.

When the doc came in, he reordered his implements the way he would have had.

So when he went to work, initially he had a little bit of trouble going back, revisiting there mentally.

But then once he slipped back into it after a couple of takes, he was very businesslike and professional in terms of his manner and how he went about doing what he did.

So what you see is as close to what really could be shown.

And when we showed Abby the ultrasound images, once the animated images got to a certain point, she says, dang near perfect.

So it's just you're seeing, and this is something that, ironically, most abortionists spend their whole career never seeing because it's very rare for abortionists to do ultrasound guided abortions.

They would actually be safer for women.

if they were done that way.

Planned Parenthood doesn't like to do them because it adds about four to five minutes per procedure.

And when you're doing 40 procedures on a Saturday morning, that means they'd have to hire a second surgeon if they did that.

Cuts into their

profit market.

Do you think that's the only reason?

I know of no other reason to judge.

It's a safer procedure because there are fewer incidences of

rupturing the uterine wall or anything else.

It's far safer.

But Planned Parenthood will maintain that abortion is a completely safe procedure.

So if it's completely safe, why do you need to make it any safer?

Do you think that would affect those abortion doctors if they did it that way?

I think it would.

I mean, Dr.

Levatino was actually convicted in mid-procedure.

Now, it had been, he and his wife had adopted a daughter, and she died.

She was old.

She was late teens.

And he didn't perform any procedures for a couple of months, and then he went back on his first procedure in the middle of the procedure.

He realized, this is, I'm looking at my daughter.

I'm not looking at

a thing.

I'm not looking at fetal tissue.

I'm looking at a human being.

He didn't even want to finish the procedure, but he was bound to at that point.

But he never performed another one.

That was the end of it.

Abby is a remarkable woman.

I saw her in a hallway the other day, and she came up and she put her arms around my neck.

I had my mouth right to her ear, and I just whispered in her ear, I think your story is going to change the course of history.

God believe me.

Everything that is said by the

doctor, beam me up, Scotty.

Which was what he really said in real life, yeah, during the procedure.

And all of the things that the abortion advocates at Planned Parenthood said,

that's all verbatim, is it not?

Yeah, they were pretty much verbatim.

I mean, Abby being told that not-for-profit is a tax status, not a business model.

You know, those things being encouraged not to have her child that she had by her boss because it would impact her job performance.

I can't say every word in the film is verbatim, but the vast majority of things are, those are real-life interactions.

We didn't fabricate anything.

We didn't come up with scenes to make it better or more graphic or less graphic.

We just, we interviewed her, we spent time with her, we spent a week in Texas with her and the lawyers and every transcripts from the court.

We did the whole thing.

And we didn't have to.

You know, our point of view, we didn't set out to make a Christian movie.

We set out to make a movie based on what happens in the abortion chamber.

And her story, like you said, is an amazing story.

She's an amazing woman.

And so we didn't have to lie or propagandize anything.

We just had to tell the truth.

And that's the best kind of movie.

I mean, it just comes out.

And it's enough for an R rating, which is really amazing, as you pointed out earlier.

It's an admission from the MPAA that these are.

Because it's not graphic.

It's really not graphic.

If you believe that that is just tissue that somehow or another fights back,

then

what are you doing?

The only reason why this is shocking is because you see and and is this accurate that the that the babies actually

fight try to get away from it?

Well, it's so rarely seen, as we said, but Abby's did.

That's what shocked her.

You know, it's kind of like if you look at pictures of the Holocaust, sometimes you can look at pictures of people who've been there behind the gate and they're emaciated and everything, and you

you're sad, but you lose the connection with the humanity.

Then you take one look at the people coming off the trains still wearing their normal clothing and everything else, and you say, it hits you like a ton of bricks, and the empathy kicks in.

Well, Abby had actually seen, to be fair, fetal remains a number of times.

Part of the way up It showed her early on,

looking in the Petri dish at little arms and legs and being fascinated by it, not repelled.

And

her boss deliberately didn't use the desensitization technique that's normally used.

Usually, if a Planned Parenthood employee is targeted for becoming a clinic leader or exec, they'll start with the fetal remains and petri dishes, and they'll start at like six weeks where it looks more like a blob.

And you can say, well, maybe it's not a human being.

And then they'll gradually start, then they'll show them an eight-weaker, then a 10-weaker.

And then by the time they're done, it's a 16-weaker, and you can tell this is clearly a baby.

But it's a plan for desensitization.

They started Abby right off.

I think her boss was testing her.

She had picked her,

she was mentoring Abby.

She had picked her own successor in her mind.

This was sort of the final trip into the inner cave.

It opens March 29th, and I would urge you to find a way to organize yourself, your church, your ward.

If you happen to be a Mormon, I know this is a rated R movie, but that is a political rating.

There is nothing more important than seeing this and bringing people, especially

youth, to see this.

It will change them forever.

There's no way you walk out of this movie and say, oh, well, that's just a blob.

It is very, very clear, and that's why the MPAA is trying to make sure they bar, especially the, you know,

people who are 14, 15, 16, 17, who are all allowed to go have an abortion without their parents'

permission, but they can't go see this movie without a parent.

Take your kids to it and have a discussion and organize your churches and make sure you see this movie.

Highest recommendation.

You want to stop abortion.

This is the first bullet in the arsenal.

And it's incredible.

It is really worth seeing.

March 29th, the movie is unplanned.

Find out about it, go to unplannedmovie.com.

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we dropped the ball.

We didn't get to the happy Hick and Looper news, nor will we today.

Maybe tomorrow.

Maybe tomorrow.

It's pretty big news.

Everybody will be covering it.

But instead, we do want to cover

an I'm sorry from the Washington Post.

Yeah, they posted an article online January 19th reporting on an incident at the Lincoln Memorial.

Subsequent reporting, a student statement, and additional video allow for a more complete assessment of what occurred, either contradicting or failing to confirm accounts provided in the story, including that a Native American activist, Nathan Phillips, was prevented by one student from moving on, that his group had been taunted by the students in the lead-up to the encounter, and that the students were trying to instigate a conflict.

But it's just six weeks later after these kids' lives have been destroyed.

I don't know.

I just want to let you know.

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