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Well, the most historic meeting between two adversaries since the fall of the Soviet Union just happened in Singapore.

If you were following the news coverage late last night, you were

witnessing history.

President Trump, Kim Jong-un, have left Singapore after a meeting that was anticipated for 65 years.

Now, what happened?

Well, first, the bad.

I didn't really like to see, you know,

Donald Trump throwing kisses and

the people cheering for Kim Jong-un.

You know, I just, I don't know, there's something about just even our flag next to North Korea, one standing for liberty and peace and opportunity, and the other is slavery, hostility, and a cultish following.

But, circumstances as they were, the two shook hands, and photographs of roundtable discussions.

If you're worried that a cult leader, mass-murdering communist dictator, would gain legitimacy, well, that's exactly what happened.

If this had been President Obama, everyone would be destroying him right now.

How can we concede so much?

John Kerry and Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes.

We'd be calling for their heads on a platter.

But I think it is also important to look at this optic

as

the time period that we're in now.

The current administration doesn't fall for the same mistakes that Obama did.

We're right to criticize the Iran deal.

The inspections were weak.

They didn't include military facilities.

The deal had a sunset clause.

We gave them hundreds of millions of dollars in cash, secretly, delivered it in pallets

to the Iranian tarmac.

They didn't curb their ballistic missile program at all.

We didn't even ask them to.

We could go on and on and on.

The deal was a disaster.

But it was because our president at the time believed that we were the aggressors in the world.

Say what you want about Donald Trump.

I don't believe that he believes that throughout history, America has been the aggressor.

And so he's going to set the record straight that somehow or another, the Korean War was because we were so aggressive.

I don't think Donald Trump has even thought about the Korean War up until recently.

And I don't think that he thinks we were the aggressor.

Look at how we were fighting ISIS under Barack Obama.

Look how we're fighting ISIS today.

Flash forward a few years, and Iran has taken all of those freshly unlocked billions and used it to sweep the entire Middle East.

The deal between President Trump and Kim Jong-un

will be nothing like that.

Now,

that's if it goes forward.

We didn't really get anything last night.

Let me give you the good side.

In 1950, the Secretary of State gave a speech to the National Press Club outlining the U.S.

defense perimeter following World War II.

But during that speech, he he mistakenly left off one key country, South Korea.

Kim Il-sung, Kim Jong's grandfather, had

begun begging Stalin to let him invade the South.

But the Soviets were holding him in check.

They didn't want to provoke a U.S.

response.

But the speech provided an opening.

It was immediately translated and rushed to Stalin's desk, and Stalin called emergency meetings with both Mao and Kim, The attack order was given, and the rest is tragic history.

That was 40,000 Americans that would die in the next three years because one man made a mistake in a speech.

In short, the Korean War was just a diplomatic accident, a disaster, but an accident.

Should have never happened.

And it is high time that we end it.

The president opened a door.

Formally ending the Korean War and denuclearizing the North,

but keeping the legitimizing and the complementing of a mass-murder communist dictator of a slave state.

We should keep those out of the discussions.

But there is, I think, a method to the madness.

This is Kim Jong-un's shot

at being on the world stage for something different than being evil.

And I think the president knows that.

And I think it has a chance to work.

It's Tuesday, June 12th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Do we have the audio, Sarah, of that

film that Donald Trump had made for the opening

of the event yesterday, the press conference?

I think that I sent it to Mike.

I think it's important

that

we see the possible

method to Donald Trump's seeming madness that everybody, you know, saying, well, this is crazy and we didn't get anything out of it.

Well, we didn't.

But remember what happened at Reykjavik.

We didn't get anything either.

Ronald Reagan walks away from the table and everybody was like, this is crazy.

He won't give up Star Wars.

No, because there was a reason he wanted more.

Now, we don't have...

We don't have Star Wars.

What is the pressure that we have?

Because remember, Gorbachev,

Gorbachev wanted his country to change.

Kim Jong-un does not want his country to change.

There's no glass nose

that is happening here.

So, what is it that we have?

Economic pressure?

Okay.

They're already starving.

Are you going to hurt his people more than Kim Jong-un?

You're going to start

a coup with Kim Jong-un?

What?

He kills everybody for looking at him sideways.

So how are you going to do this?

We had Gorbachev that brought down the wall, and Gorbachev wanted Glasnos, so he opened up the door, and that let the infection of freedom in, and it collapsed it from the inside.

along with economic pressure and

everything else.

We don't have that

what we do have is a guy who's an egomaniac that runs that country

a guy who wants to be famous

did you find the video Sarah

okay well I will we'll play it later on in the program

this video Donald Trump had made and it's like a Hollywood movie it's like a trailer you know, even says starring Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un.

And the whole feeling of it is, what if?

What if

this one leader

from North Korea decides to choose the future?

And it paints him as this global hero.

If

he chooses the future, if he chooses the past, it shows nuclear obliteration.

But if he chooses the future.

So you've planted the seed of,

I can be famous in the whole world, not just my country.

Now, his hardliners around him are going to say, no, that's a trick.

Don't do it.

You can't do this.

He's going to kill them.

He'll end up killing the hardliners.

And I think for a guy like, look,

we all know Donald Trump.

How do you get Donald Trump to do something, Stu?

How do you get him to do something he doesn't want to do?

Flatter him.

And

have some opposing people who say, you can't do that.

Right.

Yeah.

If you have opposition that says in no uncertain terms, you can't do that, it makes him want to do it.

Right.

And if the other side is flattering him, it's a done deal.

It's a done deal.

I think Donald Trump, he may not be self-aware enough to know that he does this, but I think, you know, the one thing that you can spot in other people are the things that

you are.

Even if you don't have self-awareness, he can read Kim Jong-un, unlike I think any other president, because in some ways he has that same trait of nobody's going to tell me what to do.

And if you flatter me, I'm going to be, I'm going that direction.

So that's what he's doing.

I think,

and this is this is going to be controversial.

And I don't know if any of this is true.

This may be wishful thinking,

but I think that if you compare what happened with Reykjavik and what is happening now,

there is no comparison in some regard because we don't have Star Wars.

We don't have that tough as nails, we're going to collapse you, and you're an evil empire, and we're going to destroy you.

We don't have that.

We also don't have a Gorbachev inside who says, I want to open my country up.

So, without a Star Wars, what do we have?

We have his desire to be part of the world.

We have his desire to be famous.

Here's the controversial part.

I actually

think,

because of the time, who's in office, how this is playing out,

I actually think that if it works out, that we denuclearize,

I think Dennis Rodman deserves some credit.

Yeah?

No, you don't think so?

No, but I'm on the border on this.

I mean, this is all conjecture at this point.

This is if this works.

Right.

Let's just say, yeah, for example, we're in the, by the way, the top of the first inning.

This is the people who are celebrating this as an accomplishment.

I don't think anyone in the Trump administration would tell you it is an accomplishment.

Yet,

and anybody who's tearing it down,

remember, you tore down Reagan right after he left Reykjavik.

Exactly.

It worked.

Hopefully, this leads to something is where we are, and that's a great place to be.

It's better than we're bombing each other.

So that's positive.

But

here's the thing on Rodman.

And again, like, we're going to play, we'll have the Rodman audio of him crying on CNN, and it's bizarre.

It's a bizarre bizarre.

It's really bizarre.

Here's the one thing I'll give Rodman credit for:

Kim Jong-un is Adolf Hitler.

He's not just some silly goose.

And it is important to remember that.

It's important to remember that.

This guy is, as of 2016 at least, still investing tons of money into concentration camps.

Yes.

He is not a jokey character.

What I find interesting, and potentially, you give Rodman a little credit for this.

It would have been very strange for a U.S.

president to go visit Adolf Hitler as he's building concentration camps.

And I don't know if this is credit, but I think it's an effect that Rodman's visits over there helped make it more silly.

It was instead of visiting Adolf Hitler, it was visiting a moron, right?

And Michael Malis will be on here in a few minutes with us, and he'll be happy to tell us that that is not the case, right?

That is not who these people are.

But in a way, the perception was, okay, this is a guy.

It's kind of like this Dennis Rodman's going there and playing basketball for him.

It's kind of it took away that

really

spooky, spooky, you know, genocidal maniac vibe.

It made him more into Dr.

Evil.

Yeah.

Almost a cartoon character, which is not true.

He's not that guy.

Right.

But it did maybe ease the path for a U.S.

president to go over there and visit him.

Rodman also said something really important last night while he was crying, which is a bizarre interview.

We'll play in a minute.

He said,

you know, he's just a kid.

He's just like a kid.

Rodman talked to Trump about this, and he said he talked to Obama, and he said Obama wouldn't listen to him at all.

And, you know, I probably wouldn't have listened to Donald or to

Rodman either.

Nor would many in his family.

Right.

But Donald Trump did listen to him at this point.

And I think what Rodman saw

and was reporting on is this guy just wants to be loved.

I just want to be loved.

And he is, that's more important to him than anything.

Now, I'm not saying that what's not, what won't happen

is

that he will continue to be the leader of North Korea for a long time.

What has to happen is he has to let his guard down.

He has to open the walls of his country.

And then, just like the Soviet Union, it will collapse from within.

You can't have these two regimes open.

You cannot have people coming in from North Korea, into South, from South Korea, going into North Korea, and expect everything to be okay.

It won't.

The The people of South Korea will be affected by the North in a very hostile way in some ways.

They'll see what's happening to their family members.

And the people of South Korea will see the wealth and the access of their brothers and sisters and families and they will want part of it.

It's glasnos.

It will Mr.

Gorbachev tear down this wall.

He didn't do it because Ronald Reagan said it.

Ronald Reagan just was the final impetus to have those people who had been living behind that wall to say, I've had enough.

And that's what could happen

because of a man's ego.

That ego would be Kim Jong-un's.

Yeah, if you watch

and Dennis Rodman.

Yeah, sure.

If you watch the actual handshake of him, the Rodman thing looked accurate.

He looked like a little boy.

It didn't look like a world leader at all.

He looked like a nervous kid at a spelling bee.

It was just a weird vibe.

I'm telling you, he sees an opportunity to be the greatest Kim of all time.

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Let's play a little bit of this video just so you hear just a little bit of what Donald Trump had made for the introduction of him and Kim Jong-un.

7 billion people inhabit planet Earth.

Of those alive today, only a small number will leave a lasting impact.

And only the very few will make decisions or take actions that renew their homeland and change the course of history.

History may appear to repeat itself for generations,

cycles that never seem to end.

There have been times of relative peace and times of great tension.

So we have to later on in the program play this whole thing, but you notice what he's saying here about the cycles and the generations that the generation just keeps repeating.

Well, if that isn't the Kim family, I don't know what is.

Now, in this video, it says, you know, Donald Trump is one of those men, but the last half of it really concentrates on Kim Jong-un.

I think this was a masterstroke of playing to Kim Jong-un's ego.

It's an interesting game that is being played.

We're going to talk to one Westerner who probably knows him better than anybody other than Dennis Rodman next.

Let's go to Michael Malis.

He is author of the book, Dear Reader, the Unauthorized Biography of Kim Jong-il.

Welcome to the program, Michael.

Thank you so much.

So, Michael, we've been talking the last half hour.

I don't know if you've had a chance to listen,

but we have been

kind of dancing around the idea that

the game that I think Donald Trump is playing is he is trying to appeal to Kim Jong-un's ego.

And I think Dennis Rodman kind of stumbled on it without really knowing.

Kim

is like a, as Dennis said, like a child in some ways.

He just wants to be liked.

He wants to play in the West.

He wants to be that guy.

Unlike Gorbachev, he doesn't want to change his country.

And Donald Trump is playing to his ego to get him him to want more of that

and be able to stand up to the hardliners and kind of come our way.

Do you think that's accurate or not?

I think that's half accurate.

And in fact, I think what Donald Trump is doing is exactly what North Korea lays out as their strategy in their literature, which is you go after someone with empty threats, not with empty threats, with strong threats.

And at the same time, you leave them one exit in order to get them to do what they want.

And the example they use, they say things like, North Korea is offended.

We've never been insulted like this.

This is absolutely outrageous.

However, if you want to give us some oil, we'll look the other way.

So I'm very certain behind the scenes, and publicly, the threats have been very, very strong.

And just like, remember that letter?

When President Trump canceled the summit, it was at the same time it had threats.

We have the world's biggest nuclear arsenal, but he's also like, please do the right thing.

So he's showing him the back of his hand and reaching out for a handshake at the same time

so what do we get out of this then because i um

if as i read this i was i was hoping and i still am hoping that what's happening is he'll open the doors enough gorbachev did it intentionally but he'll open the doors enough and it will rot it quickly because of the infection of freedom it will rot it from the inside and he'll collapse

Well, Gorbachev didn't do it completely intentionally in this sense.

There's this phenomenal book called Revolution 1989, which I recommend to everyone, which talks about how after Poland had their elections, country after country in the Soviet Union, in the Soviet bloc, excuse me, started to liberalize and governments start to fall.

And Ceausescu of Romania and East Germany were calling Gorbachev, saying, you got to send in the tanks.

And he said, I refuse.

And as a result of this, the domino, this was the actual domino theory.

That's what brought down the Soviet Empire.

So at a certain point, when you put your hand, you take your hand off the wheel,

events have a momentum of their own doing.

No matter how bright people think Kim Jong-un is, and it's kind of baffling to me how so many people in the corporate press want to make him out to be the biggest genius of all time, it's only to make President Trump look stupid by comparison.

No matter how bright you are, there's a certain point where you don't realize what's going to happen to you.

And the other thing is, Kim Jong-un didn't earn his position.

He inherited it.

It's an heir.

So if there is this kind of paternalism on behalf of President Trump, saying, Look, kid, you got to do the right thing, especially in a country like North Korea, like much of Asia, which is so based on respecting and venerating those who are older, this could be an absolutely wonderful technique.

President Trump is doing behind the scenes and publicly praising him.

But, you know, listen, if someone has hostages and you want to say nice things about about him, fine by me.

If it works, it works.

Michael, I was thinking of you as all this was breaking last night of how bizarre this must look to the North Korean people, you know, who they got, you know, a half century of saying that we're so evil and we're going to come attack them at any moment.

And then all of a sudden, there they are smiling and shaking hands with Kim Jong-un and President Trump.

Is that just one of those things where they see Kim Jong-un as the ultimate authority?

He knows what's right.

Do they see this as a victory on their side?

How do the North Korean people see this?

I mean,

it's not going to be hard for them to stint it back home as, look, the American president is praising Kim Jong-un, saying we have a great relationship, saying how wonderful he is, how well we work together.

And this was Kim Jong-un bending Donald Trump to his will,

and so on and so forth, and guaranteeing protection and that they wouldn't interfere with

the country.

This is what we've been waiting for for 70 years.

The U.S.

imperialists, as we're referred to, have been trying to conquer Korea since the 1860s when we sent USS General Sherman there.

And now, finally, Kim Jong-un has achieved peace.

And their slogan they always use is,

we are not afraid of war, but we are prepared for war.

Ann Applebaum runs in the Washington Post, I want to get your take on this.

For Kim Jong-un,

this moment is vindication.

The wisdom of his nuclear policy has been confirmed.

His tiny, poor, often hungry country, where hundreds of thousands have perished in concentration camps that differ little from those built by Stalin, has been treated as the equal of the United States of America.

If Kim hadn't continued the missile program, if he hadn't enhanced his missile delivery capability, President Trump would not be there.

Anne Applebaum is an amazing woman who wrote the book Gulag,

a history, which just traces the Gulag.

I mean, I can't recommend it enough.

And there are many comparisons between the Kim regime and Stalin.

Specifically during the 90s, they chose to allow one to two million people to starve, just like Stalin did with Ukraine.

So this is a genocidal regime.

It's not just dictatorial, which is bad enough.

I think the idea that Kim Jong-un needs validation, certainly in his own country, is false.

If he gets validation on the world stage, at a certain point, you have to respect someone with noofs.

I don't mean respect in the sense of, oh, you're such a person that I admire, but you have to acknowledge that there's strength and that this has to be dealt with.

So I think she has a point that, but for the nukes, this wouldn't be an issue necessarily as President Trump.

At the same time, it seems so clear that this worried him at a human rights level.

I mean, that's so much of what he focused on.

And

I mean, this is something that's clearly been a part of the summit.

And that's my, and I know you guys and the listeners, that's the big hope here of you know freeing the people of north korea everybody says that anybody could have done what happened last night um

for instance you know uh they're saying barack obama would have done this

Yeah, yeah, I was on Martha McCallum and they said Barack Obama should get credit and people took screen caps of the paces I was making.

There's a movie in the early 60s, I believe, which some guys, you guys might remember called Whatever Happened to Baby Jane with Joan Crawford and Betty Davis.

And Joan Crawford says to her, Jane, you wouldn't be so mean to me if I wasn't in this wheelchair.

And she turns to her and goes, but you are, Blanche.

You are in the chair.

So this idea that anyone could have had this happen, well, it didn't, did it?

You know, so I mean, the idea that President Hillary or President Jeb would be there in Singapore beggars belief to me.

Why hasn't this happened before?

Because, Michael, the idea is that, yeah, theoretically,

a U.S.

president could have said, I want to fly to Singapore and meet with Kim Jong-un, and probably Kim Jong-un comes.

But they didn't do it because

they weren't able to do whatever Trump does here.

Like, he obviously has

some motivation, some ability to look past these sort of traditional things that stopped all of these conversations in the past.

And it's yet to be determined whether this is going to work out as a good thing or a bad thing.

But I don't think any other president would have tried this.

They could have tried it, but I don't think they would have tried it.

I don't know if they could have, um,

they could have read Kim Jong-un as well as Donald Trump reads Kim Jong-un.

I mean, it takes one to know one.

We all know that Donald Trump has a massive, massive ego.

Now, whether he is aware of that or not, I don't know, but you see the things in others that you have.

And I can guarantee you.

That

on the plane over, he got all kinds of advice from all kinds of people.

And I can guarantee you at some point, he looked at him and said, believe me, I've got it.

I know this guy.

And it would have been the first time that I think Donald Trump or any president would have been right to shut down all the other advisors, you know, in the end, because I think he does see.

Whether he sees it in himself or not, he knows it.

He recognizes it in him.

I agree with that 100%.

He's the proverbial bull-in-china shop.

And at the same time, sometimes that China needs smashing,

no pun intended.

If you look at other politicians who have gone through the ranks and have paid their dues, they're going to be beholden to the establishment and to the party and so on and so forth.

Understandably, with Trump, he's like, yeah, I'm going to do what I want.

I mean, you know, when he was on the debate stage and accused to Jeb's face that George W.

Bush had some complicity in 9-11, this is not a typical Republican who's playing, and Ted Cruz's dad shot JFK.

This is not someone who's exactly playing with diplomatic niceties.

Correct.

At the same time, Kim Jong-un is a gangster regime, a murderer.

So to treat him, again, like you treat Angela Merkel or Theresa May or Trudeau, you can't because he's not someone who, when you treat someone like that without aggression, you're in a sense validating

the blood that they've gained.

And you have to think, too, that Trump, in his business dealings all around the world, has run into essentially this type of character many times, right?

I mean, certainly not genocidal maniacs that he's selling real estate to, but really rich people with gigantic egos that want all the attention and all the best things.

Those are the people he's probably dealing with on a fairly regular basis.

This is certainly to a much different level, but he seems very familiar with this

character type.

Kim Jong-un is the ultimate case of being born on third base and thinking you hit a triple.

There is no one literally on earth who's inherited more than him.

He inherited an entire country.

So yeah, if you're dealing in real estate, of course you're dealing with these rich kids who think they're brilliant and they're real estate magnets and you smile and you shake your hand and you get their property from them.

I mean, this is New York Real Estate 101.

So I agree with that assessment completely.

I mean, he's seen this song and dance many, many times, not in the sense of genocide, but certainly in the case of someone who just stumbled onto a phenomenally good situation for them, and Trump knows how to exploit that for his own benefit.

I think it's interesting that he is the third generation.

And

if you study generational wealth, it is almost always the third generation that loses it.

The son, you know, or the second generation, the first generation builds it.

The second generation

tries to

maintain it, but

they're not builders.

And then the third generation just expects it and doesn't know necessarily what it takes or took to make it.

And they usually squander it.

Is this pattern ⁇ do you think this pattern is going to repeat here?

I certainly hope so.

And until you just said that, I didn't make a realization of the irony here, which is one of North Korea's rules is that of the great leader Kim Il-sung, where he he says class enemies must be exterminated to three generations.

And many people don't know this.

In North Korea, when someone is punished, they punish three generations of your family.

They don't just punish you.

So it would be great if this was the third and last generation of this family that had power in this horrible nation.

Yeah.

Michael, thank you so much.

Wait, one more thing.

Is there anything that you think people are missing on this that we haven't covered?

Yeah, if you are more excited that Trump fail than hope that North Korea becomes peacefully liberated, there's something fundamentally wrong with you.

Thanks a lot, Michael.

Great point.

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Well,

there's one thing that I don't understand

in any way, shape, or form, and that is Kim Jong-un brought his

own toilet.

You don't understand that.

No, I...

Unbelievable.

I mean, of course, I travel with my own toilet, but

I mean, who doesn't?

Who doesn't?

Right.

He's a little careful.

He's a careful guy.

He's worried about.

He brought his own toilet to, quote, deny determined sewer divers insights into the Supreme Leader's stools.

Could, we should have asked Michael this.

Yeah.

Because I believe that.

It used to be believed that his father or grandfather didn't go to the bathroom.

I think he might be right on that.

Yeah.

I think he was,

it was believed that he never had to go to the bathroom.

Well, he's the third in the series, and usually the third one in the series isn't that good.

It's not unusual for him to travel with his own toilet.

When he went to South Korea earlier in April, he brought his own toilet.

He also brought his own pens and pencils to the meeting, and his staff wiped off anything he touched so he wouldn't even leave a fingerprint.

He takes similar precautions when he travels inside North Korea.

However, this is kind of interesting.

The North Koreans' leaders,

his concern might have historical precedent.

2016, a former Soviet agent said that while doing research in the archives for the Russian Secret Services, he found evidence that the secret police in the 1940s under Joseph Stalin analyzed excrement of foreign leaders,

including Mao, as part of its effort to construct psychological portraits.

Oh my gosh.

So he's, I mean, it's not just a crazy man.

It's a guy who studied

communist dictatorships and what they do.

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The overwhelmingly Hispanic school in Prince George's County throw gang signs, sell drugs, draw gang graffiti, and aggressively recruit students recently arrived from Central America, according to more than two dozen teachers, teachers, parents, and students.

Most of those interviewed asked not to be identified for fear of losing their job or being targeted by MS-13.

One eighth grade, one eighth grade,

think of this, eighth grade.

One eighth grader told the paper that last fall, she was raped by MS-13 members at her school and that she was so fearful of the repercussions that she never reported the incident.

We now have two or three fights per day, one instructor told the Washington Post.

At this point, it's completely out of control.

We're talking about middle school.

As of May 1st, the Prince George's County police have been called to the school 74 times, resulting in at least five arrests.

The teachers live in fear, unsure of what outbreak or violence is going to happen next.

One teacher described the school's administrator's approach to the gang violence as: don't ask, don't talk about it.

And without metal detectors, teachers, like the students, live in fear of what awaits them next.

Teachers feel threatened but aren't backed up.

Students feel threatened and aren't protected.

That's according to one educator.

The school is a ticking time bomb.

It's Tuesday, June 12th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Started reading a great book last night

released by a friend of mine, Mike Broomhead.

If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough.

Lessons from my life for the Bulls, protesters, and politicians.

Mike Broomhead, welcome to the program.

How are you?

I'm doing well, Glenn.

How are you?

Very good.

We've known each other for a very long time, and

I now know why we get along so well.

Our lives run very parallel in many ways.

You were a bull rider?

No.

I mean the

dumb part.

Yeah.

And

to me growing up.

And one of the most consistent phrases.

What was that?

That was one of the most consistent things my mother said to me growing up: if you're going to be dumb, you better be tough, because I was very often both.

So what I didn't realize is that you left home at 15 years old, lived on your own.

own.

You had an alcoholic father.

You know, you were a military guy, bull rider, contractor.

You've led a really tough life,

which I think gives you different kind of insight on to

what the average person might be thinking about things.

So can I ask you about two things?

What do you think the average person

thinks about what happened yesterday with North Korea?

I think the average person is impressed that an American president was able to get Kim Jong-un to sit down at the table.

I don't think the depth of politics, whether it was the agreement Bill Clinton signed in 94 or candidate Obama saying he would sit down with him, matters to the average person.

The average person looks at a year and a half ago, this person was firing ICBMs over Japan and threatening America, saying he was going to kill us, and a year and a half later he signed an agreement agreeing to denuclearize.

I think the average person just is surprised in the change in North Korea.

So

one more question on just the way things are handled.

Dennis Rodman was on TV last night and he was crying.

And he was like, I saw this coming and nobody would listen to me.

I mean, this guy will make peace.

And I actually kind of felt, I mean, a little bit.

I felt kind of bad for Dennis Rodman.

Not that I I think he got that and was the reason why he went over per se, but he may have played a role in any kind of piece that may come our way.

Yeah, but

I don't know that that was the intent of having Dennis Rodman on television.

I think that might have been the lack of seriousness that we're going to see from some of the cable news networks and just how significant this was.

Instead of having a foreign policy expert on, someone that's been invested in studying the North Koreans since the deal was made in 94, and having somebody to talk about the ultimate significance.

You know, and then no offense to Dennis Rodman, but he's wearing a pot.com t-shirt

and crying on it.

And I think maybe that was just what turned out to be, I like you, is sympathetic to Dennis Rodman, but I think they put him on there because they don't take this seriously.

So, Mike, what is happening?

What do you foresee?

You know, I think the average person feels used and abused.

It's why we're all lashing out.

We feel like nobody's listening to us.

So, what's on the horizon?

What's coming our way with media and

socially?

Well,

it's interesting.

One of the things I've learned the most, and I wrote about in the book, is taking advice from good people.

And, you know, when I learned to ride bulls, I learned from a guy that was a world champion.

I work out in the gym with a guy that was a professional bodybuilder.

And credit to you that when I remember the first conversation I had with you, I said, I'm in way over my head.

And you helped me along because I wanted to go to somebody that is one of the best that's ever done it.

And I think that what lies ahead is people are seeking out truth tellers.

It's not so much about hearing what they want to hear, they want to hear the truth.

And I think that they know the truth when they hear it, and they know they're being lied to by people with a political agenda.

And so I think in the future, people are going to be seeking out the truth as opposed to just the things they want to hear.

So let me ask you this.

People say that, you know, the Donald Trump people are so stupid they don't hear the truth.

I think they do.

I just don't think that they think the truth on the other side is any more truthful.

And so they have to pick between these two.

And they just believe better shot with him than doing it the way we've always done it.

Would you agree with that or not?

No, I think that the truth is just that.

It's the truth.

If you and I are driving a car and you say we have to go left and I say we have to go right we both believe it is our truth but only one of us can be right and in the end one of us is going to be wrong and we have to admit when we've been wrong and we've got to seek out what the truth is we both want to get to the same place but one of us is wrong about which direction to go and I think what people are seeking now is they realize when you watch some of the cable news networks with some of the people that have been outed by telling overtly wrong stories.

You know, when the president was just missed, when his words were taken out of context and it made him sound like he called illegal immigrants animals.

That's just a mischaracterization.

I think people are tired of that.

They'll be critical of Donald Trump when it's deserved, but they want to know what's really going on and let them decide the good and the bad of it.

And I think that's what they're seeking out.

To me, well, I can only speak for myself and what I think my audience wants.

Just tell us the truth.

We will figure out the good and bad in all of it.

You know, I'm writing a book right now called

Addicted to Outrage.

And it is really my understanding of what's happening to us.

Because

I think people are just, I think we're addicted now to just getting online and seeing something that pisses us off.

And we're just getting this adrenaline and cortisol hit, especially if we respond in social media and say nasty things.

You talk about your dad.

I mean, I was...

Reading last night, I mean, my dad didn't seem like a very nice guy,

an alcoholic, and you hold him responsible, but not responsible for your life in any way.

Right, absolutely.

And, you know, it's funny that

a lot of the things that I write about in the book are self-inflicted.

The fact that I was on my own, kind of on my own at 15, and then, you know, the work, I've worked my entire life.

I regret now not getting a college education.

Now that degree, you know, to have the discipline to do the coursework, that haunts me.

I wish I had done those things.

Those were self-inflicted.

I was so angry at the world.

I was lashing out in my own way.

But that's on me.

That's not on anybody else.

So what did you learn from your alcoholic dad that is applicable today?

I think that whatever's going on around us, we have the ability, I think we have the responsibility to live a life that is still good.

All of us have it in us.

It's all the cliche.

It's not where you start.

It's where you finish.

I had people around me that loved loved me.

I have my brothers, the one that's surviving, and is my true hero.

He's a police officer.

He is my true hero in life.

There are people in my life like you.

There are people in my life that have looked out for me in times when I had very difficult times going on.

My mother is a saint as far as I'm concerned.

And instead of focusing on those people, I chose to focus on the anger.

I would say what I learned the most from my father was, in spite of what's going on around you, there is good that you can reach for if you just want to reach for the good.

You say your mom's a hero, but you didn't feel that way early on.

Oh, you know, early on, my mom got smarter the older I got.

You know, early on, my mom and I, you know, when I was a teenager, when my father left, I was just the classic rebellious teenager and was out on my own and out all night, and she was telling me to go to school, and I didn't want to go to school.

So she was the disciplinarian, and I just didn't like it.

But I don't know that I'll ever live long enough to apologize to her enough for what a great person, what a great influence she's been in my life.

Talking to Mike Bruhead, author of a book just released today: If You're Gonna Be Dumb, You Better Be Tough.

Lessons from My Life with Bulls, Protesters, and Politicians.

You say that everybody has three things to offer the world.

What are they?

Money, talent, and time.

What?

Money, talent, and time.

And all of it to differing degrees at different times in our lives.

We have three things to offer the world, and we decide how we're going to give of those three things.

And how does that apply to

me or everyday life or you or anybody?

You know, listen, it's funny because when I wrote that down, you were the example that I talked about when we wrote this because I've been with you.

One of the things I still talk about in the air is that trip we took down to McAllen, Texas, where the people your audience gave so richly to help that humanitarian effort.

And I look at that, there are times in my life where I used to complain about my busy schedule until I traveled with you.

I'll never complain again.

Like, you know, here I am in a time of my life where I've never been as busy.

So time is very valuable to me.

But I'm also making more money than I've made before in my life, so it's different now.

I have the ability to give more money, but I wish I had more time to give.

There were times in my life where I had time to give, where I wish I had more money.

And the talent that I have, my ability to go and MC for the military, you know, the Marine Corps Scholarship Foundation gala, or the things I do locally in Arizona, I will never, I'll never take money for those things because it's my opportunity to give back.

And I think we have to gauge where our talents lie where our how much money we can give you know if you don't have a lot don't give a lot but we all can give something and the feeling you get from giving can't be replaced and sometimes the problems you're facing seem to be minimal when you look at the problems of others and that's one of the biggest lessons I've learned is you may not always have a lot to give but you have something to give and I hope that I balance that well enough with those three things that's really something I worry about sometimes that I'm not doing enough with those three things I'll tell you Mike when we were down in McAllen and we we did that thing on the border, it was not popular.

And we came back, if you remember right, and we were talking about how they were separating the kids.

You know, they were separating, you know, children from their brothers and sisters and keeping them in cages.

And no one would listen to us.

When you saw the tweets come out

a couple of weeks ago where the left was saying, look at how Donald Trump is treating, and they turned out to be the the pictures that came out right after we were there how'd you feel

well it came out in Arizona Republic story so it was a local story too um I have pictures on my phone still and I don't know if you'll remember this moment but I remember it forever they were giving us a tour of that facility and we went into what was like an army tent and there was a we pulled the curtain back and there was a little boy that couldn't have been more than seven years old sitting on a cot holding a doll, like a Woody Story doll that someone had given him.

And that's what they explained to us.

This is usually where the kids break down because they're in such commotion from when they bring them over and clean them up and give them clothes and feed them and medically screen them.

There's so much going on.

It's when they're in solitude that they begin to realize they're all alone.

And that still haunts me that we're a part of something so politically divided that allows for things like this to happen.

These are people.

These are children.

And we will fight the political battles and not look at the human element.

And which was such an eye-opening weekend to spend that time there.

I'll never forget it.

And I'm in a border state, just like you are.

It's a big issue for us, but we can never forget the human element of that.

Mike Broomhead, thank you so much.

Author of the new book,

it's released today.

If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough.

Started reading it last night.

Really good read.

Really well done, Mike.

You should be proud of this book.

Very good.

Thank you so much.

He is one of the good guys

and one of the guys that I know when I'm off track because he's just

he hasn't forgotten where he's come from at all.

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This, this,

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Tonight, we're going to expose him for who he really was.

You know, because he's not the guy that you read about in history books.

Everybody says, oh, he didn't care about the slaves.

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Or he never really read the Bible and wasn't really really a religious guy.

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Do you know?

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let me get it here because I get it right.

It is dinner and a movie.

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I've seen this movie.

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Okay.

You started the hour talking about the border and MS-13.

Yeah.

Dangerous criminal gang.

Animals.

Overblown, Glenn.

As you've seen, I mean, when the president called them animals, we all heard from the press about how no, we're all humans.

Don't dehumanize people.

No, they are animals, but they're more like soft bunny rabbits.

And we were told over and over again that, look, MS-13, yes, it's a real thing.

Yeah.

But it's not that big of a deal.

And Donald Trump overblows it because he doesn't like Hispanics.

Right.

They killed 207 people since 2012.

Amount of people killed in school shootings?

41.

About over four times as many people killed by MS-13 than schools.

I just hate Hispanics so much.

I don't

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Well, continuing your pattern of lies, you're practically South Korea or North Korea.

There you go.

You had mentioned we were doing a little expose on Abraham Lincoln to show you what kind of man he really was.

Yeah, now we're going with a founder this time with Thomas Payne is today.

Exposing Thomas Payne.

Lincoln's tomorrow.

And then Lincoln tomorrow.

By the way, the exposing here turns out pretty well for these guys.

Yeah, it really does.

It really does.

It does.

You know who it doesn't turn out well for?

The history professors.

Yeah, it really doesn't.

They only have the documents in their own handwritings.

I know.

Is this not one of the most amazing things that we've ever?

I mean, we've done some really amazing things.

We've witnessed, seen, talked to amazing people.

I really believe these three days

of exposing, first of all, Thomas Jefferson last night on the TV show, if you missed it, you've got to see it.

It's incredible because it's incredible.

It's the exact opposite of what you've been told for so many years.

Like not even, there's no way to even say, well, I can see how they suck.

There's no way.

Over and over again.

In fact, it's not only does Thomas Jefferson dislike slavery, he has a visceral hatred for it.

It's like the main reason he wants to break away from England.

Right.

And,

you know, I did some more reading after we were off the air on this.

He wrote about that extensively, about how angry he was.

And he even said, you know, it's only those two states, but the rest of the people were weasels.

They didn't want to do it because they were afraid.

I mean,

he turns out to be the real liberator, and he's the one held up as the worst slave owner of them all.

It's crazy.

So that was last night.

Tonight is Thomas Paine.

What's amazing to me

is

holding these documents written in their own hand.

Now, they say Thomas Paine was an atheist.

No, no, he wasn't.

No, he wasn't.

He wasn't a Christian.

But he wrote The Age of Reason.

If you learned about The Age of Reason, that Thomas Thomas Paine was an atheist, et cetera, et cetera, did you ever hear why he wrote Age of Reason?

When you read why he wrote it,

it kind of takes on a whole different purpose.

In fact, completely dismantles

his MO of, he was an atheist.

No.

No, he wasn't.

And I think you're going to like him even more

when you hear his reason.

Anyway, that's tonight.

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You know, one of the other things that

we're so bad at history that we

We have no idea about Korea.

We have no idea

North and South Korea and what they've been going through and what they really are like oh anybody could have had a meeting really

Let me take you back in history and show you where we were not too long ago

It was bitterly cold, but the men of Unit 124 had been trained to ignore the pain, and they were good at it.

One of their exercises had been to run four miles in sub-zero temperatures, after all.

With little regard to their frozen limbs, the men snuck past the U.S.

guards along one of the most heavily guarded borders on Earth and into South Korea.

After traversing rugged mountainsides undetected, they set up camp in a forested area roughly 30 miles from Seoul.

Their mission was direct and clear.

Kill the South Korean president.

The men thought that they were sufficiently isolated until they heard four frantic voices.

Four brothers were prowling around for firewood, and they found themselves in absolutely the wrong place at absolutely the wrong time.

The commandos considered their options.

They didn't kill the four brothers, partly because the frozen ground would have been digging their graves an arduous task.

Instead, they lectured the brothers on the merits of communism.

When the brothers feigned allegiance to North Korea, the commandos let them go.

They promptly alerted police.

By the time police and military had begun hunting for them, Unit 124 had already vanished.

They were able to evade capture for two days, and on January 21st, 1968, they reached the home of the president, the Blue House.

About 10 p.m., wearing South Korean military garb, the men outfoxed the security officers guarding the building.

They were within 100 yards of the Blue House when a sentry finally spotted them.

The palace grounds erupted at gunfire.

The commandos fled in all directions, chased by soldiers.

The fight bled into the streets of Seoul, and at the end of the night, over two dozen South Koreans died, including civilians.

The South Korean army hunted the men for three days, killing off as many as they could.

In total, 29 of the unit's 31 soldiers were killed.

The South Korean president, understandably, was furious, and it was time to retaliate.

Enter

our story,

South Korean Unit 684.

In response to the assassination attempt, the South Korean government organized Unit 684, and the men were advised to kill the leader of North Korea.

Unit 684 was intentionally modeled after Unit 124, the North Korean assassination squad.

That squad had 31 members, and so did Unit 684.

They were trained to survive a little frostbite here and there because nothing could stop them from their assassination mission.

But unlike the decorated soldiers of the North Korean squad, the men of Unit 684 had little to no military experience.

Some sources claim that the men were plucked from death row and offered a chance at redemption.

Others claim that the men were vagrants and acrobats.

One of the guards described the men as, quote, the kind who would get into street fights a lot, end quote.

The training regimen was was outlandishly cruel and seven men died.

At least one from just sheer exhaustion.

Four of them attempted to escape the island they were on because they were frustrated with the beatings, the killings, and the poor conditions in the unit and apparently wanted to alert authorities to their plight.

All four were beaten to death.

Meanwhile, unbeknownst to the men, tensions between the Koreas had been easing.

By 1971, a mutual frustration with the U.S.

brought warming relations between the Koreas.

So, Unit 684 was rendered useless.

Well, these men were not happy.

Not happy at all that the mission they had trained for for over three years had suddenly been canceled.

They still wanted blood, but now they just didn't care whose blood it was.

At 6 a.m.

the next morning, the recruits ventured out into the sable black morning of winter under a waxing crescent.

They murdered the first trainer while he was asleep with a swift hammer to the skull.

Next, they stole guns and ammo and using their perfected skills started slaughtering the trainers, most of whom were still drunk or hung over from the night before.

Total, the recruits killed 18 guards.

Only six survived.

Satisfied with their bloodthirst, Unit 684

cleaned the blood from their bodies and carefully dressed in their immaculate uniforms, because they were going home.

They loaded up a stolen bus with a cachet, machine guns, knives, and grenades and made their way towards South Seoul.

The commandos could almost see their houses when they were met by a police blockade.

Trapped on the bus, it was hopeless.

But giving up was not an option for Unit 684.

Instead, the men clenched grenades and, in unison, yanked the pins.

The blast turned the bus's windows into flying specks, and the stench was nauseating, especially in the heat.

The men were scattered in bits and pieces everywhere.

Somehow or another, four of the men still survived, but not for long.

Military police yanked them off the bus on stretchers and then imprisoned them.

They were executed by firing squad and then buried secretly in the hills outside of Seoul.

Their bodies have never been found.

In fact, South Korea only recently acknowledged Unit 684's existence.

In 2010, the Seoul Central District Court ruled that the family of Unit 684's recruits were entitled to hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages.

North Korea usually comes to mind when we think of a country killing its own citizens, but the Shielmido uprising is an exception.

In the Iliad, Homer depicts Ares, the god of war, as a curse on mankind.

a kind of supernatural serial killer.

In general, the Greeks loathed Ares, often depicting him as a whiny, cowardly, and strange beast.

The Romans, however, fawned over Mars, the Roman incarnation of the god of war, majestic, smooth, invincible, often clad in gilded armor as he led men into the battlefield, his very presence making it a field of renown.

The story of Unit 684 contains both versions of the mythical god of war.

From one angle, the squabbling, bloated, diplomatic mechanisms of war directly caused the death of untold numbers of men and women.

War made the Koreas petty.

They schemed, and in their cowardice, both sides plotted assassins, only to recoil at the last moment.

From the other angle, Heroism came to life through a band of criminals and misfits, and however misguided, cast a gleaming light over the battlefield as they die.

Yet in reality,

neither version leaves any survivors.

By the way, you can share that story.

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It's a story that will have you on Google and you are going to go down a wormhole.

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It's unbelievable.

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Just looking at Ben Shapiro's opinion on what happened

yesterday and even

who was it that said that he should be, we would be crying for impeachment if this was Obama.

It was Eric Erickson.

Eric Erickson.

I was thinking about this a little bit on the drive-in today in that

start with something that we can all absolutely 100% agree on in this audience, at least.

That if Barack Obama did exactly what Donald Trump did, the media and the left would be praising it.

Yes.

Can we all agree that

100% they would be absolutely

in favor of it and praising it endlessly.

100%.

I think, however, when you say that, and that's very true,

you have to also ask yourself the same question.

We would be hummeling him.

I do.

And I honestly, like, I say this as an admission.

I honestly think I probably would be

really pissed off

at Barack Obama if he did exactly.

I've really thought about this a lot because I don't like to be inconsistent.

And I think you're right.

I think we would have been very upset.

However,

I really truly believe it's because

it's the same thing with executive orders.

Notice nobody on the left had a problem with a single executive order.

No.

Now they're all up in arms about anything this president does.

The Constitution.

Excuse me.

Why is that?

Because they trusted the last president.

They trust their guy.

Right.

They don't trust the other.

Same with us.

We didn't trust the other side, but we trust our guy.

And so we make these exceptions.

Well, that doesn't make any sense.

That's not reason.

That's not reason.

That's team sports.

And this one is pretty provable in that, you know, Brock, we beat up Barack Obama on just his claim that he would talk to dictators.

But I think, and I know you don't agree.

Just the claim of speaking.

I know you don't agree with me on this, but I really truly believe it's because

half of the country saw Barack Obama as somebody who did not like America.

Didn't like America.

Yeah, no.

I do agree with that.

Wants to fundamentally transform it.

Exactly.

Doesn't like it, thinks that we were the aggressors of the world, thinks that we've done all these horrible things.

That group of people, they don't feel that way about Donald Trump.

They don't feel that he hates America, that he thinks that we're the horrible aggressors throughout history that needs to be corrected.

To me, that's the biggest difference.

Glenn, back.

Well, it's been years since you've exercised, actually exercised your constitutional right to vote.

well many

many

people have done this especially in Ohio so the question is does the state have the right to clear your name from its voter registration roll because you haven't voted in years

according to the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision yesterday the answer is yes Five conservative leaning judges on the court ruled in this case that Ohio's practice of purging infrequent voters does not violate federal law.

Ohio says the policy is needed to keep the voting rolls current by removing people who have died or moved away.

Now, that makes total sense.

But how does the left view this?

The same way the left usually sees things

in American life now, through the outrage lens of minority oppression.

Sonia Sodomeyer said the ruling endorses disenfranchisement of minority and low-income Americans.

How?

How?

How?

Top Democrats say this decision will give a boost to Republican voter suppression efforts.

Again, how?

Democrats who know their own history will remember that the Democratic Party invented voter suppression after the Civil War with the KKK, when the Klan was roaming the South, intimidating, attacking, and frequently killing black voters.

The Ohio policy is not that.

It's not harsh.

Here's what it is.

If you don't vote for two years, you get a registration confirmation notice in the mail.

Then if you don't reply to the notice and you still don't vote four years in a row, then you're purged for the system.

You have a six-year window to make sure that your registration is current or just show up to vote.

In many parts of the world, that would be considered pretty generous.

Now, clearly more people need to vote in Ohio.

And if Ohio has this problem, you can pretty much bet every other state has it as well.

We need and must have elections that have integrity.

Yet for some reason, and I think we all know why, the left just can't take that.

They can't take voter ID laws, which say that you know, they target minorities.

Why?

Because they say you have to have an ID.

The poor don't have access to ID.

Really?

These kinds of laws are also unfairly targeting dead people.

See, that's the real problem here.

Let's face it.

Dead people are still people.

And, you know, one party

has been known to really court that dead,

that dead voter for a very, very long time.

It's Tuesday, June 12th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Dinesh D'Souza has a new movie out, Death of a Nation.

Can we save America a second time?

It's in theaters Friday, August 3rd.

You'll find out about it at deathofanationmovie.com.

Dinesh, welcome to the program.

Glenn, great to be on the show, as always.

Thank you.

So, first of all, let's get your thoughts on what happened in North Korea last night

or Singapore.

Glenn,

I think it's an historic opening.

It opens the possibility of a thaw.

Now, these opportunities are very rare.

The last time it happened was Gorbachev, the Soviet Union, the evil empire, and then suddenly they appointed a leader who seemed open to being influenced and to changing.

And we saw the remarkable succession of events.

It really began with the intermediate nuclear forces treaty in 1987, but then later the whole dissolution of the Soviet regime and so on, and ultimately Gorbachev himself coming to Reagan's funeral and kissing his casket.

So now these historical opportunities are sometimes the result of luck, but it takes a leader to seize the moment, to be able to take advantage of the luck, to be able to make the most of it.

And I think with Trump, we're seeing, you know, a contrast from Obama's kind of lead from behind.

Trump is like in front of it, he's grabbing the bull by the horns.

He's very impressive.

So, so you're because you're a really logical guy.

Help solve two things for the media mainly and some people who are having a problem with this.

First, what's the difference between what he just did and what Obama did with Cuba?

Well, the difference is this.

Well, first of all, there is an old joke that goes, what do you call

a dictator who has nuclear weapons?

And the punchline is, sir.

The point being that once a dictator gets his hands on nukes, he becomes exponentially more dangerous than a routine garden variety dictator.

So in other words, peace in the Korean peninsula is not ultimately ideological.

It's ultimately about getting rid of these nukes and just having, you know, a sort of modus vivendi where we can kind of all inhabit this planet together.

That's the key difference.

In the case of Cuba, Obama seems to have had an ideological affinity for Cuba.

He didn't like Cuba being sort of ostracized in the community of nations.

None of that is an issue here.

No one thinks that Trump secretly admires North Korean society.

We're simply trying to keep a very bad guy from having nuclear guns in his holster.

Okay, so I agree with you 100%.

Here is where

some will have issue.

South Korea was a nuclear power,

or sorry, North Korea was a nuclear power in 2006.

Obama, when he was running the first time, he said, I'll meet with him.

Why not meet with him?

We've got to make sure that this doesn't happen.

And all of us just pilloried him for that.

What's the difference there?

Well, the difference there is, I think at the end of the day,

it's something of a paradox of American leadership, that it takes a Nixon to go to China.

It takes a Reagan to deal with Gorbachev.

If the Democrats had been dealing with Gorbachev, it would have been interpreted as weakness.

And in fact, it probably because it would be weakness.

But with Reagan, you remember that in the first term, Reagan was very tough on the Soviets.

Massive military build-up, MX missiles, strategic defense, you know, the supporting of insurgencies around the world.

It was only in the second term that Reagan sort of pivoted and said, okay, now that you guys are willing to bend, I'll bend with you to make this happen.

I think that's what we're seeing here.

Notice that in a miniature, it replicates what happened here.

Trump begins by blasting North Korea, threatening to take them off the map, claiming he has bigger nuclear weapons than they do.

And then later, he bends when he sees that there is an opening and an opening that he can take advantage of.

So, Dinesh, switch subjects.

A couple of weeks ago, by the way, we're talking to Dinesh D'Souza.

He's got a new movie coming out, Death of a Nation.

Can We Save America a Second Time?

It opens in theaters Friday, August 3rd, deathofanationmovie.com.

A couple of weeks ago,

you were pardoned by the President of the United States.

A, did you know that was coming, and how did that come about?

Well, my wife and I had dinner with Senator Ted Cruz a month earlier, and Senator Cruz said,

I am going to ask President Trump directly to pardon you.

But I was not very optimistic because I thought, well, you ran against the guy, and

there was some bad blood, so I don't know if this is going to work.

But Cruz called me a couple of weeks later and said, I spoke to the president, and he's very receptive, but there's a legal review.

It's a complicated process.

Do not breathe a word of this until you get the official call from the White House.

And then last week, Glenn, wow, I'm in my office working and the call came.

The White House operator pulled the line for the President of the United States.

What is that like to be pardoned?

It's huge.

I mean, you know, there are all kinds of small benefits of it.

I don't have to ask a judge for permission to travel.

I don't have a probation officer who like makes me fill out forms every week and comes to visit my house.

I can vote again.

I can own a firearm if I want to.

But I think most importantly, it lifts the felon label from my neck, which the left had been sort of, you know, accusing me of.

And more importantly, it's kind of a big up yours to Obama.

I mean, Trump has been erasing Obama's legacy across the board, and now even this little smudge has been taken away.

So, what do you think about?

Because

I am so for

the use of, I mean, he has a constitutional right to do this any day, all day, every day.

And I'm for it.

If we're not becoming a country that can, if you know somebody, you can get a special favor.

He is starting to, you know, apparently he's got thousands of people he wants to pardon.

And I understand that Jared is the one that's actually kind of behind this, and they're working on prison reform and sentence reform.

Do you think the president should also

make sure that anybody that was in your situation, that this just doesn't happen again?

Well, I think in my case, the truth of it is that there is nobody who's in my situation for the reason that I was in fact singled out.

Look, there is no case in American history of a guy who gave 20 grand over the campaign finance limit without corruption.

In other words, without trying to buy a favor or get a tax break or some quit for a quo.

There's no other example of somebody who got locked up for doing that.

They don't even prosecute those cases.

Look at Rosie.

She just admitted, Rosie O'Donnell did, to exceeding the campaign finance law five times in five different jurisdictions.

So theoretically, there are.

And she really knew.

She knew it.

Did that bother you at all?

Well, the reason she knew it is because she used four different spellings of her name and five different addresses.

So clearly, she was, you know, but look, I think the reason that this crime is not prosecuted typically, or in other words, is treated as a slap on the wrist and a fine, is that again, even with Rosie, she's not trying to get anything out of it.

She's just, you know, motivated by hatred of Trump and leftist enthusiasm, and she wants to defeat Roy Moore in Alabama.

So she goes over the limit.

But again, typically these crimes are basically, they look the other way.

But in my case, you know, it took some very powerful people, Obama, Holder, Fried Barrara, to get me, and naturally it required some powerful people to get me off.

Dinesh, a lot of people were critical of Trump, if they were, on your part, saying that because you're a political ally, that's why he pardoned you.

But in reality, these laws are, in my eye, blatantly unconstitutional.

I mean, completely against the First Amendment.

Really, what the First Amendment was designed to do was be able to speak your mind politically and use your money however you want to use your money.

And so I think if he looks at this as not just Dinesh Shesus is an ally, but this is an unconstitutional law, and my pardon power is well used to overturn convictions in an unconstitutional law.

Is that how you think he looked at it?

Well, I think he looked at it not even like that, but I think he looked at it like, look, we have seen a kind of gangsterization of the government under Obama, the deployment of the weapons of the state against opponents.

As Trump himself said to me,

he goes man to man.

He goes, you got screwed.

He goes, you should have, it was a technical violation.

He goes, but those people, meaning the Obama people, went after you with everything they got.

And then he basically said, I got the power to fix it, and I'm going to.

So I'm going to give you a full pardon in the morning.

And it's going to clear your record and go out and be a great champion of freedom and of America.

And that's how he left it.

So, Dinesh, you said that there was a great process you had to go through, or he had to go through, the government has to.

So he can't just wake up one morning and go, I want to pardon him.

Well, actually, he can, but the process, I think, is merely that the White House counsel will go look at the case.

You know, they obviously want to make sure that I don't have bodies in my refrigerator.

That's something that they've missed.

They don't want it to become an embarrassment because of something they didn't know.

So it took about a 30-day review to make sure that I was sort of kosher.

And then Trump went ahead with his original instinct and signed the pardon.

Let me just pretend that I was on CNN and respond.

So you're alleging that you don't have heads in your refrigerator.

I just.

Yeah, in fact, Newsweek

literally had an article titled, Denesh T'Souza Claims He's Not Jeffrey Dahmer.

Oh my God.

That's my defense.

Right.

So tell us about the movie that comes out August 3rd.

The movie explores two big themes.

One is fascism, and the other is white supremacy.

Now, as you know, these are the two incendiary accusations that are made, not just against Trump, but against the right, against conservatives.

The whole notion that fascism is on the right, I mean, I learned that in college at Dartmouth.

That was in all my textbooks.

That's on the History Channel.

So it's part of our conventional wisdom.

And so, what we do in this movie is we start with current events, but we also do our deep dive into history where we explore the true meaning of fascism and white supremacy and ask, you know, do these labels really belong on the Republican elephant or should they be pinned on the tail

of the Democratic donkey?

You are doing a lot to teach history and correct

this kind of nonsense that has been so prevalent and so successful in the last 100 years.

How long is it going to take to re-educate people to what really happened, do you think?

Well, I think the beauty of living today

is that things can be checked out.

And so when people say things,

I'll speak on campus and someone will say, well, you know, Richard Nixon was a blatant racist.

He had a southern strategy of appealing

to southern bigots in the deep south

and converting them over to the Republican Party.

Everybody knows this.

So then I'll say to him, I'll say, well, can you give me an example of a racist statement ever made in public by Richard Nixon?

And in doing this, I'm issuing a kind of public challenge because these days we can go to social media, we can search.

The truth of it is there is none.

And so then the progressive has to back off and comes up with a counterpoint.

Well, Nixon didn't make any racist statements, but he issued these coded messages, these racist dog whistles.

Apparently, you know, racists are sort of like dogs and they've got this sort of heightened awareness, their ability to hear messages that are indecipherable to the rest of us.

You know, all this comes down the pike.

And then I'll say, well, you know, let's remember that one of the first things that Nixon did when he was elected was he started affirmative action.

He's the inventor of affirmative action in America.

Now, does this sound to you like something that a racist would do to send coded messages to his own constituency to have a legal policy of preferring blacks over whites?

Does this make any sense?

So this is my game.

I like to use facts and use history in a way that's easily verifiable.

So someone who's genuinely puzzled can figure out who's right.

Dinesh D'Souza, the name of the movie is Death of a Nation.

Can we save America a second time?

In theaters Friday, August 3rd.

Welcome back to full citizenship, Dinesh.

Always good to talk to you.

Thanks.

Always a pleasure.

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Welcome to the program.

You know, it was widely reported that Ted Cruz was really instrumental in the,

the pardon of Dinesh D'Souza.

And Dinesh just said that as well.

It's weird that Donald Trump denies that story.

At least he did at one time.

I don't know if he stuck by that, but yeah, he said nobody asked me to do it.

Well, it may have been true.

Maybe Ted didn't officially say,

well, because he said he didn't know Dinesh.

And then he said he

no one asked him to do it.

He just just did it.

But I mean, it's, you know, like, I, I don't know if there's anything.

I'm sure Dinesh doesn't care, right?

Like, I don't understand.

And I don't respect the people who did it.

It's just weird.

It's just weird.

Yeah, I don't understand why he would necessarily.

But I mean, that was just maybe his first reaction.

Maybe he was protecting Cruz or protecting.

You know,

it's one thing to have a senator come and ask you for that, and another thing to have, you know, somebody come who might have had money or influence or, hey, listen, Dinesh is saying nice things about you.

He may have been trying to just to make sure that nobody thought that was going on.

Right.

Yeah.

All right.

Back in a minute.

You're listening to the Glenn Benn program.

Welcome to the program.

Welcome to Mr.

Pat Gray.

Hello, Pat.

Good to be here.

So,

I don't know what you have to,

you know, because you're always outraged about something.

I don't know what it is that you've got problems and issues with today.

I'm a hothead.

I'm just a hothead.

I don't notice that at all about you, actually.

You don't

have to be very calm.

Listen to him.

Hello.

Oh, my gosh.

Okay, now I hear you.

You hear the angry today?

So what are you angry about?

What are you angry about today?

Well, I'm a little irritated by the mainstream press and what they're doing with the summit.

It drives me out of my mind.

Just because it was Trump, if this was Obama, and I realize everybody's saying if it was Obama, the right would be pissed.

And that's probably true because Obama would have gone over there and apologized for everything we've ever done.

However,

could we have an adult conversation?

Absolutely not.

I doubt it.

Okay, you're right.

Go ahead.

Well, we're going to do it anyway.

Let's try.

Let's have a conversation that's going to piss both sides off, but somebody has to have this conversation.

It's absolutely true that they are rooting for this to fall apart.

They would rather have a nuclear-armed North Korea that is on the trigger's edge

than Donald Trump be successful.

No question about it.

Okay.

And at the same time, what you said about the right.

I know we would have said the same thing.

Well, we kind of did when he said he would meet with anybody, including Kim Jong-un or Kim Jong-il, whoever was the premier at that time.

Because of his attitude.

Yeah, the only reason why I feel that way is

he was,

and hear me out, because Stu's got a great response to this, because we've been debating this back and forth all day in the commercial breaks.

My response is, Pat,

that's exactly right.

He went on an apology tour.

He thinks that America was the aggressor, the colonialist, and he wanted to set the record straight.

And all the oppressed from being oppressed by the United States, you know, should

all be, you know, free to just do whatever they want with us.

That's the way it felt.

Donald Trump doesn't feel that way about the United States.

And so we kind of go in

with the feeling that, well, I mean, he has our best interest at heart.

And he's not going to accept a book from Hugo Chavez that is anti-American.

Right.

Now listen to his response.

Well, I mean, because I think that that speaks to the idea that we didn't trust Obama, right?

And

we might trust Trump more.

But that's just sides, right?

Like the left trusted Obama more and they don't trust Trump, right?

So that's just a sides issue.

Correct.

I think that, you know, because I think the same thing with not just,

you know, the book was a good, is a good example of this.

We went over and we, we hammered, we hammered Obama because he took the book from Chavez.

He stood in in front of the Che sign.

Remember when he went to Cuba, he was in front of the Che

light up sign, all of these things.

But none of those are even remotely close to the amount of praise heaped onto Kim Jong-un in this meeting.

I mean, can you imagine if Barack Obama went, met with Kim Jong-un and started calling him a great guy,

a great leader?

He's really brave.

He's ruled really tough.

He's an engaging man.

They would have gone creepy.

He praise on him.

Now, I think

just overlooking that because I know

that's Trumpism.

That's just the way Donald Trump speaks.

And you can't get away from that.

And we also, I think, believe that...

He's full of hyperbole about whatever situation he's in at the time.

And he's also, I think, he's doing that because for good motivations, right?

Like he's doing it.

I think Dinesh D'Souza brought this up a little bit in that there's an ideological potential, ideological alignment between Cuba and Obama, where there's not a potential ideological alignment between Trump and North Korea.

But I mean, I think

we would have,

I think, hammered Obama for doing the exact same thing, word for word.

Like, legitimately, if every single frame of the video was exactly the same, we would have been hammering Obama.

Same thing.

And I think we would have done it with Hillary Clinton, too.

Oh, absolutely.

But, you know,

Trump is getting flack for slapping on the back.

because that legitimizes him as a leader, supposedly in diplomatic circles.

Barack Obama would have bowed to him the way he did the king of Saudi Arabia, the mayor of Tampa,

the janitor at 7-Eleven.

The guy bowed to everybody because

he was just the president of the crappy United States.

And that's

the difference.

And it may not even be anything other than just the way we feel.

Just the way we feel.

It's not even existing.

Well, we feel that way, though, because we had so much evidence.

Yeah.

It's the way we feel because he made us feel that way.

Yes.

Yeah.

I agree with you.

I mean, he went around on the World Apology Tour

and was

one of the first things he did was tell everybody in the world how bad we were, how flawed we were, you know.

And, you know, yes, we have those, but he immediately set out.

To do whatever, I'm not sure.

But the result was half of the country went, wait a minute, what the hell are you doing?

You're on our side.

Well, he broke the long-standing, at least unwritten rule, that you don't badmouth the country when you go overseas.

He did it all the time.

He did it everywhere he went.

Yeah, and there's a, you know, there's a, I think the biggest point here is kind of what you started with, which is, you know, if, let's turn it around the other side, if every frame of the video was the same, if this exact same handshake, exact same words of praise, all of that happened, and Barack Obama had done it, the media would be be fawning over him today oh they would be big time the praise would be unending you know what you know what article i saw on cnn today uh

the

uh labor camps in north korea and how they're still doing the labor camps the meeting was 25 minutes ago

give them a minute i mean yes they're still doing the labor camps but where were you you know, five years ago on labor camps in North Korea.

You didn't give a rat's ass about that.

And to be fair, they didn't even discuss them, really.

Right.

At one point, Trump kind of made it seem like they didn't talk about human rights at all.

And it certainly was not something that they agreed on to stop the labor camps.

They probably didn't talk about human rights at this point.

It's the first meeting.

Yeah, you want to establish

some common ground.

The media, the same media that bashed Ronald Reagan for being too tough on Gorbachev.

Same media.

Yeah.

Too tough.

Remember in Reykjavik?

He walked away.

Right.

What you can't do?

You walk away.

You can't do that.

So he was too tough, and it worked.

It worked.

Now, this may not work, but we won't know for a while.

Now, if it ends up to be exactly the same thing that everybody else has had, where he says one thing and then he just goes back and does it, we'll know it didn't work.

But it might work.

At least we have a chance at peace now.

We've got a shot.

Yeah.

I mean,

Barack Obama won a Nobel Prize 10 days into the office, and he didn't do anything except

get sworn in, and he won a Nobel Peace Prize for that.

Well, at least Trump has brought us to the precipice of peace.

Now, what happens from this point on, I don't know, but at least we've got a shot.

Yeah, I mean, you know, as me.

And I'd love it if the troops came home from South Korea.

I would love that.

And that seems to be something he's pretty friendly with.

I mean,

it appears the South Koreans were surprised by his promise to stop the war exercises with them, which is not maybe the best way to break that news to the media.

But still, I mean, like, that's a big, if he decides to continue to do that,

it's a big step.

And he's right, he would save us a lot of money.

Yeah.

Both sides hate that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, so.

South Korea hates that too.

Well, I don't know about that.

They're sick of us there.

I think some are.

I think the new generation is.

I think the older generation still loves us.

Still wants that person and appreciates us and knows that we saved their butts.

Yeah, but the others don't.

So

I know.

That's how I am, too.

And you and I have both gotten more

libertarian and isolation.

Not isolationist, but I just want to mind our own business.

And when we're threatened, that's when the military comes in.

When everybody else is threatened, good luck.

We are enemies of none unless you're an enemy of our, unless you

claim that we are your enemy and you attack us.

That's what the founders want.

Right.

You attack us, we're going to come get you.

Yeah.

And I think we can, you know,

we're going to bring everything we have.

I think we're just breathtakingly unsympathetic for attacks.

And then we just go home.

Right.

No nation building.

Nothing.

Just go home.

You attacked us.

You did this.

You brought this rain of fire on us.

We are going to

just decimate you quickly.

And then we're all going home.

That's how it should be.

See you later.

And I think it's fair to look at this process, too, as, you know,

it's the top of the first inning here, right?

I mean, like, it's okay to look at this and say, to not blame Trump if it falls apart in a few months and to not praise everything that has happened so far as his incredible achievement.

What you have here is a very first step and an important one.

I think Trump has looked at this in a different way, where previous presidents have had more on paper than Trump has.

Like, they've had stronger language, bigger promises as far as denuclearization.

We've had that on paper before.

The issue is you're talking to a lesser person in that government where everything there comes top down.

So Trump made the decision, I think, in an interesting approach to say, let me go to the top and start it there instead of working our way up.

And maybe that's a different path.

And I think he is playing into his ego.

Play the, we haven't played this yet.

Play the audio

of the movie that

Donald Trump had made

to start the process with Kim Jong-un.

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But the question is, What difference will the few make?

The past doesn't have to be the future.

Out of the darkness can come the light, and the light of hope can burn bright.

Now, listen to this.

What if

a people that share a common and rich heritage can find a common future?

Their story is well known, but what will be their sequel

destiny Pictures presents a story of opportunity.

A new story.

A new beginning.

One of peace.

Two men.

Two leaders.

One destiny.

A story about a special moment in time when a man is presented with one chance that may never be repeated.

What will he choose?

To show vision and leadership?

Or not?

interesting.

Is that crazy?

Really good.

It's really good.

Playing right into it.

Kim Jong-un.

Right into it.

The basketball shot at the end because he knows he's a basketball fan.

Out of the blue.

You got a basketball dunk.

And the White House makes the White House has this film made, Destiny Pictures.

He's also a Western picture fan.

Yeah, he likes Hollywood.

He loves Hollywood.

This was brilliant.

Yeah, it is.

This was brilliant.

It is.

We don't know if it's going to work, but he is saying, saying, come on, brother.

Just give him up.

You can just be like us.

We're going to be, we're all going to be buddies.

You're going to be famous.

We're going to make you a star.

You're going to be a wealthy, normal nation now.

I mean, if you just do this, take this big step with us.

Yeah.

That's got to be attractive to him.

Right.

With a starving population, that's got to be attractive.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, it'll end in war crimes for him and the loss of his country.

But I hope he takes it.

I hope he takes it.

All right.

Thanks, Pat.

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All right.

So the Fed is signaling more rate hikes.

Okay.

Why?

Why?

Because everything's fine, and we can just, we can jack those rates up because the entire economy is fine.

Everything's fine.

Actually, I mean, we are in a good position, right?

You can understand

the belief that now is the time to kind of bring these rates up.

We've got unemployment at record lows, you know, basically the lowest it's been in 50 years.

Yeah, usually the rates go up because of inflation.

Right, but that's because the economy is improving.

Uh-huh.

And there's a whole buttload of money out there.

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Just the devaluation of the dollar is going to eat that savings away.

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Scam.

I saw Oceans 8 last night with a family.

Really good.

I really liked it.

I really liked it.

Yeah.

I mean,

it's not actually a great series, Oceans.

The Oceans.

No, Oceans 11 is a great movie.

It's one of the best movies.

It's one of my favorites.

One of your favorites of all time.

Yeah.

Oceans 12 is

terrible.

And Oceans 13 is mediocre.

It's okay.

It's okay.

12 is universally thought of as terrible.

There's no one with any sense who believes in anything.

else.

I agree with that 110%.

You know what a better sequel to Ocean's 11 is?

What?

Lucky Logan.

Or Lucky 8.

Oh, yeah.

I saw that too.

Yeah, that was, again, that was good.

That was good.

The 7-Eleven, the Ocean's 7-Eleven

is what that one's called.

But

Ocean's 8, I liked it.

I really liked it.

It was essentially the same movie as the other movies?

Shockingly, yes.

And they even brought some of the Ocean's 11 characters into it.

I enjoyed it.

You'll like it.

It's fun.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.