'The Time to Pay Attention is Now" - 2/20/18

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Glenn back I have never asked you to trust me I have always asked you to do your own homework to take what we say and look it up and use honest questions to find the truth

This

may be the only audience in America that has a chance to correct the course

because we have been talking to you about something

for four years and most people have not paid attention, but that the time to pay attention is right now.

The European far right is coming now officially to CPAC.

One hour after our vice president, Mike Pence, leaves the stage, Marion Le Pen, the 28-year-old photogenic it girl from France's national front, will address the conference.

I know Matchlap.

I don't know what Match Lap is doing.

We've invited him on the program to explain this today.

I.

This encapsulates every reason

why I have said if we don't wake up, we are screwed.

And I'll come back to that.

First, if you don't know who Marion Le Pen is and the National Front, Marion is considered the third Le Pen in France.

Her grandfather, Le Pen number one, founded the National Front primary, or party, primarily as the anti-communist movement.

Okay, that sounds great.

But Hitler was also an anti-communist movement, so let's be careful here.

His platform was extreme nationalism, racism, and full of anti-Semitism.

If you're just tuning in, I'm not describing the Nazis.

Well, I mean, I guess I am.

I'm describing Grandpa Le Pen.

He recently called Jews dying in the gas chambers a, quote, minor detail of history.

And, quote, France and Russia need to team up to defend the white world, end quote.

Now, you can imagine how those views don't go over well with most Frenchmen and shouldn't go over well with any conservatives.

Now, Le Pen number two, Marine, Marine took upon herself to polish up the party's image and make them more mainstream.

She tuned down, you know, the racist rhetoric.

She kept the extreme nationalism, but she turned the front away, the national front away from free market capitalism and towards socialism.

The national front is for a gigantic welfare state.

Hmm.

Extreme nationalism

and socialism.

National socialists.

Wow, they're very anti-communist.

Maureen even proposed abortions on tap with full public reimbursement.

If you're tuning in, again, I'm not describing the Nazis,

kind of.

I'm describing France's National Front.

Now their poster girl, Marion Le Pen number 3, will actually be on stage this week speaking to conservatives.

She is not her watered-down aunt Maureen.

She is more akin to the OG,

Grandpa Le Pen.

Grandpa loves her.

Now I've mentioned this before, but this is why we're screwed.

The right currently has three sides to it, and no one is actually being honest with you.

The left media doesn't care.

There are too many people in the right media that also have sold their souls

for a ratings point, for a buck, whatever it is.

They are unwilling to say unpopular things to the mass.

But in dire times, somebody better stand up.

I'm hoping it's you.

The three sides of the conservative movement right now are those who are drifting to the left through populism.

They are now the ones who are seemingly for universal health care.

They're seemingly for all of the things that they fought against.

But they're drifting there because of populism.

Then you have the constitutional minority,

the ones who actually believe that classic liberalism is right, that man should be free to decide for himself, and the Constitution is the best framework to make that happen.

And then, unfortunately, there are those that are drifting towards the far or alt-right.

CPAC is trying to cater to all of them.

But that is not what is needed.

Look at the serious issues that people have been screaming for their government to address.

Immigration.

Silence from the left.

Silence from the mainstream right.

Silence from many conservatives.

What about the job loss in Middle America?

Silence all around.

We'll play nationalism.

We'll point fingers to China.

It's ridiculous that the only people giving voice to real issues are people on the far left and the far right.

The deafening silence is driving movements like France's National Front to become more mainstream.

They're beginning to co-opt what used to be conservative-only groups.

Last year, CPAC invited Milo.

I talked to Matt Schlap.

I said, Matt, what are you doing, man?

It was a mistake.

We got rid of him.

Glenn, blah, blah, blah.

Matt, I believed you.

I believed you.

Now this year,

it's the National Socialist.

It is the National Front.

It's Marion Le Pen?

Please come on, my friend, and explain this, because I do not understand what you're doing.

I do not understand what a conservative movement in America has anything to do with the European conservatives of France.

You are playing in to exactly what people like Alexander Dugan

and the World National Conservative Movement that is funded and run by Russia wants you to do.

It was Milo last year, Le Pen this year.

What's next?

Will CPAC 2019 have Richard Spencer keynote?

This trajectory is dangerous and out of control.

The far and alt-right

are actively trying to weasel its way into mainstream conservative circles.

And because people have not done their own homework, because

we all just want to believe that Nazis are a thing of the past, that Nazis are just these little unconnected groups of weirdos,

You don't see what's happening across the world.

The World national conservative movement was started in St.

Petersburg a few years ago.

People like Richard Spencer and others here in the United States are part of it.

The alt-right is a Nazi movement,

and we must get away from national socialists.

If we do not put our foot down now, if we don't stand for something now,

we are in grave danger of losing it all.

It's Tuesday, February 20th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

They're going to be friendless.

You know, it's always going to be a good show when you get the grunting return over the music.

I don't want to be this guy.

I don't want to be the one.

Oh, you should want to be the guy who calls out a national socialist appearing at conservative.

I guess I don't want to be the only one.

Right, okay.

I don't want to be the only one.

I mean,

I'm begging you, please, please

do your own homework.

Go to YouTube and watch the blackboards that we just did on the 120,

hashtag 120 decibel

movement.

Look at that.

It'll take you 20 minutes in three quick chalkboards, and you will understand.

what's happening to us.

I want to play something.

Now, I want to play this, and I want you to understand.

understand this has nothing to do with Donald Trump.

This had nothing to do with him winning.

If anyone,

you know, orchestrated things for him to win, here's who orchestrated it.

Hillary Clinton for being awful

and Comey for coming out and the last week.

and saying, you know, I think we might be looking into dirt.

If anyone affected affected the election, it's Hillary Clinton being awful and Comey of the FBI.

The Russians only wanted chaos.

In my opinion,

Trump was acceptable to them because it wasn't Hillary Clinton and he provided chaos.

I do not believe that he was involved with Russia.

I do not believe that he even understands the alt-right.

But with Bannon and others like him,

Russia understood that they understood this national movement and this nationalism that is spreading like poison all around the world.

National socialists.

We want big state,

big spending,

and

nationalist values.

It's trouble.

It is trouble.

I want to play some audio for you.

Donald Trump is

not recognizing the fact that we are under attack.

I can't do anything about Donald Trump.

I can't do anything about the government.

But I can do something with CPAC.

I can stand up and say no national socialists.

No nationalists.

It's dangerous.

What is a conservative?

If you're a populist, then I don't want to be a conservative.

If you're a nationalist, I don't want to be a conservative.

If you are a constitutionalist, somebody who believes in the rights of man,

then I'm a conservative.

But I don't know what a conservative means if you're bringing in Le Pen.

Alexander Dugan is

a man we have told you about, and quite honestly, every time I bring him up, it's like when I was bringing up Woodrow Wilson at the very beginning, and everybody had an eye roll.

I'm going to play some audio that we have played before.

But what he says at the very end of this video is crucial to understand.

Our republic is at stake.

Someone must stand to defend the Constitution of the United States because we are under attack from a foreign power.

And CPAC is playing into it.

I'm going to play this audio for you.

And if you happen to be watching the Blaze TV, I want you to watch because of the video that that it is attached to.

It was recorded with red square in the background.

And they

tell us exactly what they're going to do in the last election.

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Gun control works in other countries.

40% of all guns are sold without background checks.

More guns means more murder.

Mass shootings are becoming more common.

You've heard all these lines a thousand times.

Know the facts.

Get control.

Exposing the truth about guns on Amazon and wherever books are sold.

National Socialists take guns away from people.

I want to play...

There's an identitarian movement that is going on.

And it is something you need to educate yourself on.

The identitarian movement.

It is a movement about identity.

It is a movement about white people stay over here and black people stay over here and Jews.

I don't know where you go.

It's very dangerous.

And it is all part of what's called the fourth political theory, which is poison.

And it is taking root in Europe and it is being well financed and funded by Russia.

Alexander Dugan is the author of the Fourth Political Theory.

You may hear him if you ever listen to Alex Jones because they embrace him.

What's his name?

Steve Bannon embraced him as well.

He is extraordinarily dangerous.

If you want to know,

was Russia involved in the Trump campaign?

I don't think by Donald Trump's understanding of it at all.

But Dugan

listened to Alexander Dugan where he spoke with Red Square behind him.

Trump is the voice of the real right-wing in America, which in effect doesn't care about foreign policy and American hegemony.

It only cares about the Second Amendment and the good old traditions of the single-storied, or at least two-storied America, a predictable way of life on the range and expressing freedom wherever they like, but not how the liberals prescribe it.

It is nice America, often religious, sometimes silly, preconceived, unpretentious, just ordinary people without any special talents, but also without perversions.

There are few people of this kind in the American elite, or perhaps none at all.

Trump is an exception, a normal American among the elitist circus.

This is first truly interesting election campaign.

It shows that America is on the brink of a revolution, especially if the elite won't give the power to people.

Goodbye.

You've watched Dugan's guideline on Super Tuesday.

I've got a feeling that the Liberals themselves won't leave the US and humanity alone.

We should help them to do that.

So go ahead, Mr.

Trump.

In Trump, we trust.

Did Trump even know about this?

Nope.

Nope.

Did Bannon?

Yeah.

Did Flynn?

Probably not.

He said some amazing things there.

And you can hear, if you could understand him, you can hear why

his fourth political theory actually connects with people.

But there was one thing that he said

that sticks out,

and I'll share that when we come back.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

So I just played some Alexander Dugan.

And look, you're going to hear a lot of people say nationalism is good.

Globalism is bad.

No,

the globalist movement where we're all exactly the same, that's bad.

I'm American.

I want to be American.

You're Mexico.

You should want to be Mexico.

Canada should want to be Canada.

We can trade with each other, but we don't have to be all exactly the same.

That's the problem.

When governments get out of control, they try to make everyone the same.

That's the problem.

We're all different.

We should be different.

Italy should be Italy.

Now, can you trade with each other?

Yes.

But trying to make everything homogeneous is not good.

But extreme nationalism is also very unhealthy.

The movement that is under foot now to poison the conservative movement and to make us truly European conservatives is underway, and its architect is Alexander Dugin in Russia.

Did you notice that he said when we played this audio a minute ago at the very end, before he said, in Trump, we trust,

he said,

we should help them do it.

Give the people power.

We should help them do it.

He's speaking to his world conservative movement.

What does that mean?

That means sow the seeds of discontent, Sow the seeds against

the media, against the governments, against

anyone he deems an oppressor.

Well, just because a government is out of control does not make it oppressive.

It just makes it too big and can be reduced.

That's not what Dugan is looking for.

The

National Front,

which

their spokesperson is going to be speaking at CPAC, wants a France-Russia alliance.

That's a pretty big change, and not necessarily a good one.

That they've described Putin as the religious defender

of European Christianity.

That's a problem.

What does it mean to be a conservative anymore?

I'm not sure.

We've been working with young voices,

and there is a contributor to the Lone Conservative, and he has written an article for Glennbeck.com.

I'm going to butcher his last name, Morris Shanu.

Alex Morris Shanu.

Did I get that right, Alex?

Sorry.

Yeah, you got it.

You got it, actually, Glenn.

Shut up.

um so Alex you wrote this great article uh on the things that um

that young conservatives millennials will love that only conservatives can do but let me start before we get into some of those let me start with this what is a conservative today

well what is a conservative today might be a complicated question as I think you've

well discovered it throughout the show so far.

But I would say to me, a conservative, what a conservative should be is someone who believes in, to quote Barry Goldwater, the maximization of human freedom.

I think that should be the guidepost of how we think of conservatives, that people should be able to chart their own course and live their life as they see fit.

Are you concerned, Alex, or do you see anybody your age concerned about this new movement towards the alt-right?

Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people,

my Republican or conservative, a lot of them don't call themselves Republicans anymore,

friends are very concerned about this sort of rising tide of sort of quote-unquote national populism or whatever.

I think there are a lot of people who are concerned about this.

You're not alone, Glenn.

Okay.

So, Alex, take it through the article, because please read the article at GlennBack.com.

It's really, really good.

You're bringing up things that are so important that conservatives should be talking about.

For instance, freeing people from occupational licensing.

Yeah, and so I think occupational licensing is a good way to get it in with millennials.

I mean obviously millennials at this point aren't you know marching for occupational licensing reform but I think occupational licensing for those who don't know

there are requirements that the government mandates that you need a license to perform 30% of jobs in the United States.

And theoretically, it's for public health purposes, but the real reason why there's occupational licensing is just to drive up the wages of current license holders at the expense of the general population.

According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, it costs $200 billion a year in GDP, and that mostly comes out of lower-income people because these are people who are being forced out by the government due to these barriers to entry, and they...

can't find the jobs that would get them into the middle class.

And so I think bringing up this issue with a lot of young people would be good because young young people care about sort of equality of opportunity or

better wages and better living conditions for the poor.

And so I think bringing these up, this is an example of a policy of government regulation that specifically hurts the poor.

And so I think if you focus on occupational licensing, you introduce a lot of young people to the value of limited government while at the same time appealing to their own moral sensibilities.

Do you have any idea?

I mean, it takes less time to earn an EMT license than to become a licensed manicurist, as you write in your article.

Can you tell me

what is the...

I understand even, you know, Barbara, you're using a straight-edge razor.

Okay, we should probably get to make sure that you know how to use that.

The florist.

How is, why do I have to have a license to be a florist?

Any idea?

Well, I mean, it's like a lot of government regulations.

You know, they're supported by specific interest groups.

I mean, that's the origin of a lot of regulation.

If you know the history of of government regulation in the United States, and there was this study done by the Institute for Justice, I believe, which is a legal advocacy group, that

showed that they compared, so licensing tends to be done at the state level, and so they compared a florist in a state in Louisiana where florists have to be licensed, and the works of florists in Texas, where florists do not have to be licensed.

And to a like panel of judges, no one could tell the difference between the unlicensed florist and the licensed florist.

So that's a really good example of how there's clearly no reason for these regulations.

The next thing that you say that conservatives can take on to appeal to millennials is something I think really important but misunderstood, and that is incarceration.

Take on the prison system.

Yeah, so I think a lot of conservatives, especially young conservatives I know, are already very much on board for criminal justice reform.

But I think the sort of way to bridge the gap between a lot lot of sort of older, sort of law and order type conservatives and younger, more reform-minded people is to think about recidivism.

So in the United States, the recidivism rate, which means the rate of people who leave prison, who enter back into the system,

is extremely high.

It's like 76% over the first five years.

And so

That means that you're instead of having sort of people who go to prison for a few years and then come out and then are readjusted to society, You end up having people who haven't learned any skills, who haven't adjusted socially, who are just going to end up going back to whatever criminal activities they were doing beforehand because they can't enter the workforce.

And so focusing on once people get out of prison,

introducing them back into the workforce, which is, you know, A, that means lower spending on prison,

on incarceration, as well as

a better economy if they can get out and enter the workforce.

Aaron Trevor Burrus, Alex, you also take on higher education.

Is that something that millennials will get behind?

Yeah, I think so.

So the example I used in the article was Mitch Daniels at Purdue University.

Mitch Daniels, the great former governor of Indiana and Office of Management Budget Director,

when he took charge of Purdue University, he froze tuition and

managed to compensate for that by slashing administrative spending.

Now, administrative spending, according to the known right-wing rag, the New York Times,

has been the leading driver of the drastic higher education cost inflation.

Over the past 20 years, administrative spending is up 60% versus instructional spending, which is only up 6%.

Wow.

And so Mitch Daniels, he went after administrative spending.

hasn't increased tuition in, I believe, six years that he's been there.

Applications have skyrocketed, and

he's also introduced a lot of new technical options, shorter ways to graduate, online options, which is sort of good, innovative policy.

And applications have skyrocketed.

So clearly, millennials have responded to these policy changes.

Talking to Alex Morishanu, he is with youngvoicesadvocate.com.

And

we are seeing now a movement of

high school kids that say they're going to march on Washington to have guns repealed and our gun rights repealed.

What

what do you think the approach to millennials should be from people who understand the Second Amendment?

I think the key is not to go after these kids personally.

I mean, just

separate yourself, separate from politics.

Going after someone who experienced a mass shooting less than a week ago yeah is just very

I think gross and wrong

but I think the key is when you're approaching a lot of these issues is to talk on the policy level don't sort of attack people either like for being millennials or or go after them personally or just focus on

Just focus on rebutting their points and then presenting your own solutions.

I know National Review has had a lot of good articles recently about alternative solutions to

gun violence that don't infringe on the Second Amendment.

I think that is a smart way to go about it.

Just have sort of a reasonable case.

Don't make it personal.

And

yeah.

I heard somebody said to me yesterday that they

and they said it may just be from reading social media, but I have, in fact, I think it was Stu, I have less faith in humanity

and our ability to escape doom

the more I listen to people on Facebook and social media.

I have faith every time I speak to a millennial

and I really listen to them, but I hang out in circles that kind of generally are people like you.

When you see the general

population of millennials, do you have optimism?

I mean, it depends who I'm talking to.

But

I would say that

I think there's always a chance.

I don't think that

generations' opinions are frozen in stone.

That's not a phrase, but anyways.

I think there's a lot of room for conservatives to actually make a case to millennials in a way they haven't done before.

I think a lot of what conservatives are doing is often spending a lot of time trying to rebut or debunk sort of progressive ideas about universal health care.

But I think if we put forward our own positive message rather than just being sort of anti-socialism, I think that would be a good way to sort of change the game with millennials.

And

I think there's always hope, you know?

Great.

Thanks, Alex.

Alex Birasciano, who's got the article on glenbeck.com, you can check that out there.

He's on Twitter, and his last name's hard to spell, so that's why his Twitter name is AHard to spell.

Actually,

or you can get him on Twitter, AHard to Spell.

And the article is up at Glennbeck.com.

Three problems only conservatives can solve that millennials will love.

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There is a book that I just finished reading last night that is

really,

really fascinating.

It's called Hitler's Monsters, a supernatural history of the Third Reich.

It was written by Eric Kirtlander, and

he spent years doing research, and nobody has really taken this seriously.

People say all the time, oh, you know,

you know, the Nazis, they were Christians.

No, no, no, they weren't.

No, they weren't.

In fact, he has done the research and gone through all of the connections, all of the books, all of the papers,

all of their edicts, and traced it back to what their real philosophy was and what they really believed, and what they were, and what some of them were just merely using.

And that is the occult, and border science, and astrology, and

myth.

It's amazing.

It's truly amazing.

This is

the real

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This is the proof that that stuff actually did happen

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Hitler's Monsters Next.

Glenn Beck.

Mercury.

Love.

Courage.

Truth.

Glenn Beck.

We should listen and respect those who have

who have lived through a mass shooting, especially after they have gained perspective.

Patrick was a sophomore at Columbine High School when Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris massacred their classmates.

He was one of the lucky ones.

He walked away with his life that day.

And he vowed that he would live a life of service because God had granted him that blessing of living.

So Patrick went on to join the Army.

He served a tour in Iraq.

When he came home, he was elected to the Colorado State House of Representatives, where he served his constituents since 2014.

Every year since he was elected, Patrick has introduced legislation to remove the restrictions on concealed carry in school.

In the wake of the Stoneman Douglas shooting and the renewed call for gun control, Patrick is pushing his legislation just as hard.

Under the current Colorado law, anyone who has a concealed carry permit may bring firearms onto school property, but you have to keep them locked inside their vehicles.

That's a quote from the law.

Patrick says that doesn't go far enough his act would allow every law-abiding citizen who holds a concealed carry permit the right to defend themselves and others at all times Patrick says time and time again we point to one common theme with the mass shootings they all occur in gun-free zones as a former Columbine student who was a sophomore during the shooting on April 20th

1999.

I will do everything in my power to prevent Colorado families from enduring the hardships that my classmates and I faced that day.

People are arguing, and we're going to continue to argue.

More guns equals more violence, but they forget that the vast majority of guns are in the hands of responsible and good people.

There was a coach last week that stood in the way,

used his body to block.

If he had a gun,

how many could he have saved?

He died a hero, but many died after him.

The reality is, we are bringing nothing to a gunfight with evil every single day.

Perhaps we should have this conversation, but we should listen to all sides so we can give ourselves and our children a chance

with an equal contender.

It's Tuesday, February 20th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

If you listen at all to the program, you know that I read an awful lot

and

I can go through two or three books a week pretty easily.

And I thought I would devour this book by Eric Kirtlander, Hitler's Monsters, but this has taken me about a month to get through, mainly because I get sidetracked and start looking up the things that he is pointing out because you've never heard any of this before.

And it will give you a couple of things.

A new look on

what allowed the Nazi movement to really grow and grow deep roots for a while.

And also the fact that, no, ha-uh.

No, this was not a Christian movement, which a lot of people like to say, National Socialism, Hitler was a Christian.

No, ha uh, no, no, that was not a Christian movement.

Um, the only guy that has done serious work on the supernatural history of the Third Reich is Eric Kirtlander, uh, and he joins us now.

And I, I, I want to make sure that you understand that this isn't some guy who's just like, I just did some research.

Uh, he has his Ph.D.

of modern European history at Harvard from Harvard, M,

M.A.

Modern European History, Harvard, B.A.

History,

at, is it Bodoin College?

I'm not familiar with that.

Bodin.

Bowdoin College, sorry.

Belgian.

Bowdoin, yeah.

Belgian, okay.

Well, welcome.

I'm a huge fan of this book,

and thank you for

how many years did it take you to compile all this?

Well, thank you, Glenn, for having me on.

I really appreciate it.

I watched the show many years ago when Robert Galately, one of my colleagues at Florida State University, was on.

I think he had a book comparing Hitler's stalin to Mussolini.

And I appreciated the way you brought in

academic historians into your conversation.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me on.

And like many academic monographs, it took me a good eight to ten years from conception to going to archives and doing the due diligence, reading other people's work, and then finally starting writing, presenting it, and eventually deciding I had a critical mass of information to make my arguments.

And it doesn't mean that there isn't going to be a reviewer somewhere who's like, well, you know, you could have looked at that or this.

But as you point out, it's pretty dense already.

I mean, at some point, you've got to say

you're ready

and get it out there.

There's a couple of things, and I want you to kind of lead this a bit, but I want to ask you a couple of questions up front that I think show the depth of your research.

One,

you went, and this fascinated me.

You went to the detail of looking at books that Hitler had collected and had read,

and you looked for things he underlined.

And there were a couple of things that you talked about, and I can only find one of them now as I was looking this morning.

But one that he underlined was

horror always lurks at the bottom of the magical world, and everything holy is always mixed with horror.

This comes from a book called Magic in 1923.

He underlined this, and there was also another quote about something about a truly great man has to have the seeds of a demon inside of him.

That he did underline.

The other quotes from a page that he had underlined, but he hadn't underlined that particular quote.

And I want to be very clear about this because this is an important methodological point.

A fellow historian, a journalist who writes history, found the book in the Library of Congress, where we have Hitler's library.

And it seems to be underlined and annotated in the way that Hitler had annotated other books.

books.

We're not 100% certain he read and annotated it, but he's the most likely suspect.

So I use this book to represent, you know, a kind of

the cultural milieu in which he may have been thinking, because it seems that he read it.

And then I tie in other sources that talk about Hitler seeming to, you know, be interested in parapsychology, magic, even if he just thinks it's a way to manipulate people and not an actual force in the universe.

He clearly was involved in that kind of milieu.

That's the point I'm making.

And it does appear that he underlined 66 passages in that book.

But as someone who is not, I'm not a specialist in handwriting, I don't know for certain that he did.

I just want to put that out there.

So, Eric, the other thing that I thought would be important to start with to show the depth of your research was

the, I mean, you go back into the 1800s and you're really trying to lay out the mindset of Germans at that time.

And I was not aware, and you talk a lot about the films that were made, the silent films in the teens and the 20s.

And I went back and I don't remember which one I watched, but I watched one of these silent films

that you pointed out in your book.

And it is terrifying.

And it is, it, it,

the, the,

the distortion of the Jew into a monster, or later Nas Veratu, the vampire,

is terrifying, that that went on so long without the Nazis.

Right.

So a number of film scholars and literary scholars have argued that Weimar, because of all the trauma it went through, the way that people in Weimar processed it was by through horror, through expressionism, through very kinds of avant-garde artistic

media that were

channeling a kind of return of the repressed, right?

And I try to show the ways in which

certain images, monstrous images of the other, right?

Jews, Slavs, communists, were portrayed in not an empirical way.

Here's what's going to happen to the economy if finance capital does that or the communists do this, but in a metaphysical or supernatural way, right?

And that's, and I'm trying to show how that culture precedes the Nazis.

It doesn't mean everyone who watched horror movies was a Nazi, but their way of processing trauma and crisis, I argue, was influenced by a kind of supernatural thinking.

How much of this came from the

churches?

I know the churches in the West, in England, etc., etc., many of them were really damaged because of World War I.

And the people were kind of shook from that, and they kind of started to see, wait a minute, the church is just really kind of a political organ here.

How much of this return to magic

in Germany came from the churches

kind of selling out or not being what churches should be?

That's an excellent question, and you're not going to want me to get into too much detail here.

But what I will say is I point out in chapter one that Max Weber, the famous sociologist who was alive at the time, said, clearly the traditional churches in the wake of hyper-industrialization, even before World War I, and science, are no longer providing the kind of answers for a lot of people, a lot of younger people living certainly in cities that they used to provide.

And yet, with this disenchantment of the world, right, people still need something higher than themselves.

They need faith in something.

If science isn't going to do it and traditional religion doesn't do it, what's in between?

Well, New Age religion, occultism, these so-called border sciences that claim to explain everything, like world ice theory, but really can't be proven empirically.

That's a vehicle for faith.

Pulp fiction, science fiction.

And we see that across the West after the 1890s and especially after World War I with the decline in traditional religion.

We even see some of the Catholic and Protestant leaders trying to tap into that more grassroots, supernatural

way of thinking.

But what I argue, and I guess this is something that, as you point out in the intro, it would be reassuring for you

as someone who believes in a Judeo-Christian ethos in the West.

It's usually to the degree that they move away from that that they're open to these new ways of thinking.

I don't find a lot of devout Catholics and Protestants

who believe in world ice theory, for example.

But they're compatible because they're both faith-based ways of thinking.

But I do think you've got to take a step away from traditional religion towards what I would call border science or occultism in order to find that as your kind of new religion, right?

So, you're right that while the churches may have made certain concessions to it or, like you say, become too political, I don't think that Christianity per se was a bridge to this kind of thinking.

And I don't mean it exactly that way.

I mean the absence of

that thinking led people to go find something that was different and worked.

I want to have you

border science and things like that when we come back and kind of get in and set the groundwork of what they actually believed and what they used.

I mean, the idea that they were using astrologers and divining rods to find submarines is amazing.

And eventually, the miracle weapons that they were going after and the reason why,

possibly, they did not get the bomb

an amazing revelation, and we'll get to that here in just a second.

The book is Hitler's Monsters, a supernatural history of the Third Reich.

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We have Eric Kirtlander on.

He is the author of a book,

Hitler's Monsters.

This is a serious, scholarly book about the supernatural history of the Third Reich and what they believed and what they used.

Eric, help me out.

Let's get a couple of definitions.

What defined the occult?

What does that mean?

Is that devil stuff?

Right.

So I started out thinking, oh, you know, I'm going to look at occultism, whatever that means.

And then I realized the occult has a pretty specific meaning for scholars.

It's things related to demonology,

witchcraft,

certain

what I later call border sciences, but really that are linked to things like astrology and dousing and doctrines like Areosophy or Anthroposophy.

These are also things that usually come under the umbrella of occultism, something that's between religion and science and will help you uncover a secret world or a hidden world, right?

That's where the term comes from.

Pretend I read the book, but still could not get my arms around the osophies.

Can you define those?

Excellent question.

And again, these osophies are larger doctrines which supposedly explain the world in ways that traditional religion and science can't because they integrate both.

So theosophy, which Madam Blavatsky, a Russian thinker in the mid to late 19th century, came up with, is this idea that

if you study the religions of the East and the kind of practices of the East and unite it with Darwinism

and

evolution, evolution, you can come up with a syncretic doctrine that explains all of world history.

So she came up with this idea of root races, the most superior of which lived in Atlantis millennia earlier, maybe mated with extraterrestrials.

And then these other races, which had various qualities.

You know, the early theosophists were not as explicitly racist as the later anthroposophists or Areosophists, obviously with Arian in the title, but they all believe in this idea of root races, that modern biology and Darwinism make sense, but it's got to be leavened with Eastern philosophy and religion, and that you can understand the stages of world history through that.

And if you reverse engineer everything, you can get back in touch both spiritually and racially with the great root races of the earlier period.

And so much of what they were doing was having seances and following certain doctrines to try to get back in touch with humanity when it was at its highest point.

You can see see why that was attractive to some Central Europeans in the folkish movement, the more racialist political movements and anti-Semitic movements, because it in a way justified their view of the world.

So, Eric,

I just want to go back.

I was interested to read how much they were into Eastern religion, and I can't remember,

was it Himmler that carried around the sayings of Buddha in his pocket?

The Bhagavad Gita.

It's not exactly the same thing.

But yeah, Himmler, Hess, Rudolf Hess, the deputy Fuhrer, Walter Daray.

These are the name.

This would not be something that people would expect.

No, but it makes perfect sense when you think about what is their larger view of the world.

Why do they use the swastika, which is an Indo-Aryan fertility symbol, right?

Right.

Because in their mind, coming out of this 19th-century supernatural imaginary, the first chapter, they recognize that the great races and civilizations, and of course we don't have scientific evidence for this, this, but this is their view of the world, all came from these Indo-Aryan races, which may have developed in Atlantis or the Hyperborea, some ancient Aryan or racially pure Atlantean civilization, but at some point, because of a flood or giant blocks of ice, did migrate east, thereby populating India,

East Asia, Japan.

And the reason all these superior civilizations occurred is because of the leadership of the Indo-Aryans, for whom the symbol of the swastika is the, you know, and the religion of Tibet.

Why Tibet?

Well, it's a high point where in a flood, a lot of the high priests of Aryan religion could have fled.

And then they're trying to re-inscribe those ideas back into their view of Nordic race and religion in the 20s and 30s.

So that's kind of their view of the world.

So it's not that odd.

They just skip over the Slavs and Jews, right?

Because those are sub-human races or Africa.

All right.

But Asia makes sense to them.

We're talking to Eric Kirtlander.

He is the author of Hitler's Monsters.

It is a scholarly book on the

supernatural leanings of the Third Reich and

what was in the society that made them embrace Nazism, and what did the Nazis use to strengthen that embrace?

Come on a second.

Mercury.

This is the Glen Beck program.

There's a book that is a must-read,

but I warn you, it's going to take you a while just because it's so fascinating.

You will jump out of the page and go, wait a minute, I've got to look that up.

It's called Hitler's Monsters, Eric Kurtlander, a supernatural history of the Third Reich.

This is a scholarly book.

This is

This is not pulp fiction.

It is

a

deep dive and well documented on what the Nazis believed and what they did.

And Eric,

I want to clarify one thing with you that

I didn't walk away knowing for sure.

And maybe you don't know the answer.

How much of this did they believe or make a pact with, and how much was just being used?

That became a central question for me as I was going through different sources.

So one thing I can say, Heinrich Himmler, Rudolf Hess,

believed, truly believed in a lot of these different doctrines, border sciences like parapsychology, Daoisting,

astrology.

They truly believed that if you did it in a scientific way, you could glean answers that mainstream science and religion would not give you.

So he was looking into the

Himmler, he was looking into the Holy Grail.

He was at the end, he was, I guess you could credit this to

Tesla, but I'm not sure if he credited it more to Tesla or to Thor's hammer.

Exactly.

Which was it?

Was it Tesla or was it he believed the Thor hammer electricity in the air?

We have the, I mean, Peter Longerich, one of the greatest historians of the Third Reich and the Holocaust, and other sources both corroborate him asking

his acolytes to look into whether the energies that we associate with Thor's hammer can be somehow harnessed, that maybe they're not traditional scientific energies, but something more

occult or hidden.

And that's why certain of the gods had certain powers.

He thought he was a reincarnation of Otto the Great, or Henry the Fowler, I'm sorry, one of the great medieval German princes.

Many people have noted Himmler's actual investment in these ideas, as well as Hess.

What I find, though, and that's where the real debate comes, is that many other Nazis, Otto Ohlendorf, who led the Einsatzgruppen to kill thousands of Jews, he was seen as a kind of one of these technocrats, highly educated.

Turns out he was pushing

biodynamic agriculture and anthroposophic, which is an occult doctrine, approaches to the world as a kind of not a substitute religion, but as something that could unite religion and science in the Third Reich.

He's not normally associated with those ideas.

Hitler had a dowser in the Reich Chancellery to look for cancer-causing death rays and gave an honorary degree to one of the progenitors of world ice theory.

Some people,

some in the Third Reich said that they found Mussolini through divining rods

or dousing over a map.

And you document that really well.

Did Hitler believe that stuff?

So I would say Hitler is

perfectly representative of the Nazi movement and maybe Austro-German society.

He's right in the middle.

He clearly believed in some of these doctrines because he'd grown up with them.

And he didn't find traditional Catholicism compelling.

And he didn't embrace modern science because he considered it a Jewish science and it was too empirical.

But he wasn't as invested as some other Nazis were, like Himmler or Hess.

On the other hand, there were a few Nazis like Heydrich.

He's one of the only leaders I can find who almost never shows authentic investment in any of these ideas and wants to combat them as another form of sectarianism.

So he doesn't care what religion, occult, or philosophical doctrine you have, whether you're a liberal, communist, or even a conservative.

If you're not a Nazi, that's potentially a problem.

So Heydrich goes after occultists.

But many of the others leaders who claim they don't like the occult, like Rosenberg or Himmler, actually just don't like people who practice it in a way that challenges their beliefs.

The minute, by the way, this is the problem with a lot of religion, right?

People argue that they have the true faith and the true method or path to the Lord, right?

So what you see in the Third Reich, much like occultism more generally, is claims that they're doing it scientifically.

They understand it.

These other people are charlatans.

And many historians, when they saw that superficially, who weren't particularly interested in research, you'd say, oh, they're hostile to occultism.

And I point out they're not hostile to it epistemologically.

They're hostile to anyone who practices it in a way that isn't compatible with their racial ideas, their politics, their propaganda.

It actually worked to the West's advantage to some degree.

The

SS-Obergruppenfuhr Kammler, who

was really only known for making the crematoriums in Auschwitz more effective, was the replacement for von Braun in the rocket science department.

Because if I'm not mistaken, wasn't it because of horoscopes or astrology?

We can't confirm it's because of astrology.

What we can confirm is that Himmler preferred to have SS men who shared some of his approaches to science and politics and race theory around him more than

tried and true professionals like von Braun.

And that's why Speer, as you see in my chapter, the primary sources I have from the archives are Speer reminding all the other Nazi leaders, we aren't going to come up with miracle weapons that are going to decide the war.

This is propaganda.

And then you have Goebbels and Himmler and Kammler saying, oh, no, we can do this

with enough will, with enough faith, if we harness the right energies.

And clearly that tips over into the realm of border science very often.

It's not empirical.

It's not something that's actually feasible.

Towards the end, it seemed to really work to the West's advantage.

Again,

their race theory and their belief in these what you call border sciences.

I was really interested in

what you said that one of the reasons why we think that they weren't farther along with the nuke is because they saw that as a Jewish science, and so it was a little underplayed.

And the border sciences, the miracle weapons, were looked at

with possible equal

shot of it working.

Do I have that right?

Exactly.

You have two parallel things going on.

Obviously, they lose a lot of the best scientists who may have been, quote-unquote, liberal or Jewish, right?

Many who stay are still top scientists, Heisenberg, Max Planck, right?

von Braun, but they're working in a pair of, they're doing, they're they're carrying out traditional science, mainstream science.

And then you've got a lot of Nazis led by Himmler, who's got this whole institute, the Annenerbe, the Institute for Ancestral Research, who's frustrated that they don't want to work with his scientists, who are operating based on folklore and Indo-Aryan race theory and want to experiment with hidden electrical energies.

And

the one thing I'm certain of is that the incompatibility of those two cultures certainly undermined some of their strategic thinking.

We know that Hitler and Himmler, because they read science fiction, liked the idea of rockets and

ships and jets and didn't think in terms of these more abstruse ideas like nuclear physics, which not only is something you can't concretely hold or build, but is something they associate with abstract thinking of Jews and liberals and communists.

Thank God.

Thank God.

But in a way,

now I can't quantify.

A lot of the things I bring up in the book, as scholarly as it is, are things that someone else who's a specialist in these areas, armaments, military history, should really pursue and see to what degree this really did undermine their war effort.

I suggest it did.

Speer suggests it does, but

that's a whole other line of research.

Yeah.

Eric, I could spend hours with you.

I'd love to have you.

I'd love to have you back because we haven't gotten into some of the miracle weapons and the bell, which,

you know, the flying saucer and anti-gravity stuff that they supposedly were working on, but we're really not sure if they were.

I'd love to continue our conversation on that.

I do want to switch gears because you wrote another book, which I have not read.

It is your first book, and let's see if I have it.

The Price of Exclusion: Ethnicity, National Identity, and the Decline of German Liberalism.

Just based on the title, I have a feeling we would have a lot to learn from that in today's world.

We would.

And the second book, Living with Hitler, Liberals and the Third Reich, which I think you'd appreciate most of all.

We have slightly different political views, but I think you'll find the arguments in that book about the way that progressives kind of sold out to fascism, not because they were fascist, but because they saw certain continuities that

made accommodation possible.

I think you'd find that interesting.

Eric, I don't want to turn you political, but if you had any historic

milestones that would be important, there's

CPAC announced that they are having the National Front speak from France, which is a national socialist party.

And

I think they're doing it because they'll say there's lots of things that we do have in common and we don't have to take that.

And this is a big movement that is happening all around.

And

any lessons from history?

Well, this is ⁇ if anything unites the three books I've written, which have been written in a time when I would argue our liberal, so-called liberal parties have moved to the right on socioeconomic issues and then in other ways embrace values issues, value fights over values, and our right has done the same thing.

What you see happening is

an unwillingness for very we would might we could maybe both agree that it's the role of Wall Street and government elites who don't want to fight it out over the actual empirical realities of how do you get the best health care or the best tax policy.

They fight it out over ideology and values, and those values have moved more and more towards a pop, what I would argue, the populist right.

So how do you win elections in America and France and the Netherlands now?

You claim you're going to protect people in ways that can never quite be explained from global forces, other ethnicities, religions, terrorism, economic forces that both parties used to embrace, right?

Trade.

Those are dangerous.

And this, of course, moves both parties, but obviously our right-wing more than our, what I now call our center, towards what we used to call, what we now call the alt-right, but we used to call fascism.

And that's very dangerous.

That's, especially in America, you could always trust conservatives to defend the Constitution, to be at least classical liberals, right?

And as you're pointing out, you can't always trust that anymore.

And if our so-called liberals have to be the constitutional conservatives,

you're in trouble, right?

They're the interventionists, right?

They're the ones, the progressives who always

tear down the Constitution or change it.

And now they're the ones defending the FBI and the Constitution.

We have a constitutional crisis.

We have a political-cultural crisis.

I think both traditional conservatives and so-called liberals or progressives could agree on this.

And the lessons of history from the 20s and 30s are scary ones about

the way this happens.

Eric, I'd love to talk to you again.

Thank you so much.

And thank you for the really hard work.

I mean, I've read a lot of books, and I don't think I've read one that I think took more hard work than this.

This was turning over every stone, and thank you for your hard work.

One last question.

Would you definitely, or would you definitively say the National Socialist Movement of Germany was not a Christian movement?

When you're talking about a country of 80 million people people and 20 or 30 million who supported the Nazis, obviously lots of Christians saw something in Nazism, whether it was extreme nationalism, anti-Semitism,

Lutheran kind of patriotism.

But when it comes to the leaders, and here's where I feel I'm on solid ground, those leaders were frustrated by traditional Christianity, which they linked to Judaism.

and to universalism and to a world beyond the here and now, which they saw as not helpful in creating a racial ancestor-worshiping blood and soil movement.

That's why they liked Shinto and Hinduism and Buddhism, whether they interpreted those religions properly or not.

They saw them as more compatible with creating a religion of the here and now.

Eric, thank you.

And so, in that, I would say they weren't, the leaders at least were not Christians by any conventional sense of the word.

No.

Thank you very much, Eric.

Hold on, if you would.

I'd like to talk to you a bit.

Hitler's Monsters is the book, A A Supernatural History to the Third Reich.

Eric Kerlander is the artist.

Ready, I'm back on again.

There's so much to go through in this.

I mean, I want to talk to him about all the miracle stuff.

The bell.

Did you even know what the bell is?

It is, just look it up.

Let's just look up Nazi Bell.

Never heard of it.

Never heard of it.

And it's fascinating.

Whether it happened or not, I don't know.

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So what do you think, Stu?

I mean, it's fascinating.

I'm,

as you are, and as several people around here are, just real nerds when it comes to learning about that era, because it's just fascinating that any of that happened i mean obviously first and foremost horrifying horrifying but then beyond that you it just the fact that these people somehow got power and did all this crazy crap with it is is just fascinating to me we should we should bring him in and then invite people to come and just you know come and just listen to him maybe spend a weekend with him because i i've done some research off of this book not not research research but just looking up some of the stuff

googling all these books oh my gosh and it's

fascinating.

You watch some of the movies from the early 1920s in Germany, and all of a sudden,

so much just starts to make sense to you.

And you're like, oh my gosh,

they never saw it coming.

They never saw it coming.

So, the name of the book again is Hitler's Monsters.

Available in bookstores everywhere.

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I don't care if they're all conservatives.

16-year-olds should never be allowed to vote.

Yesterday, several on the left decided to use the protests by teenagers in Florida and Washington, D.C.

as an opportunity to promote the idea that 16-year-olds should be allowed to vote.

One law professor from the University of Kentucky tried to make a serious case in an article for CNN.

The real adults in the room are the youth from Parkland, Florida who are speaking out about their need for meaningful gun laws.

They are proving that civic engagement among young people can make a difference.

The ironic part, they can't vote.

Well,

now,

does anybody else have a teenager living with them?

Because they don't make a lot of good decisions.

I'm just saying, some of them are good, some of them are not.

Some of them are like, you know what, you know what, you need to slow down here and

get some more experience.

The protests from the devastated high school students of Parkland, Florida are completely understandable.

They're a visceral reaction to the worst kind of tragedy.

We need to let them vent.

We need to listen to them.

We need to comfort them.

They need the space to vent their grief and anger.

The adult role right now should be to comfort and support and listen as they work through their trauma, not manipulate their trauma, not exploit their tears for political gain.

What we're seeing this week is a gut-level reaction from traumatized kids.

Traumatized people.

It's not well-reasoned.

Civic engagement?

This is not well-reasoned civil engagement.

This is somebody who has been traumatized going out out and saying, this is what we need to do.

Well, in our system of government, unlike many others, for instance, Iran, we don't let the victims' families choose the punishment.

Why?

Because emotions get in the way.

America has a lot of smart teenagers.

I have to tell you, I...

I believe in our future because of millennials and the teenagers.

But many of the teenagers, you know, don't really know what civic engagement means.

They don't know who their senator is.

They don't know the three branches of government.

They've not read the Constitution.

Many of them don't do their own laundry, and a few of them are eating tide pods.

Another law professor from Harvard said teens have a far better BS detector.

That may be true.

But we shouldn't give the 16-year-olds the right to vote.

the professors make it seem as almost a 16 year old voting right is being suppressed the voting age wasn't lowered to 18 until the 26th amendment was passed in 1971

the logic was if you're old enough to be drafted you're old enough to vote so is the criteria now that you're if you're old enough to carry a placard you're old enough to vote

I mean, sorry, but at least in 1971, there was a logical reason for the age change.

This is knee-jerk reaction.

Why is the left suddenly so interested in allowing 16-year-olds to vote?

Possibly because of the perfect untapped voting block.

Progressives love an emotionally driven, peer-pressured voter who can be told what to believe rather than having the seasoning and the education to think the issues through.

If they could make everything emotional, progressives would.

Teens and college kids typically lean to the left until they get out into the real world starting to make their own money see how much of it is drained away in taxes they finally realize wait a minute progressivism isn't it is the exact opposite of the freedom that it promises

It's Tuesday, February 20th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Amazing that they changed the voting age to 18

because if you're old enough to get drafted, go to the military.

Well, then, of course, you should be able to vote.

It's a totally sensible

idea.

Although, you know, I know Pat will come in later today and tell us that the voting age should be 35.

But on the other side of that, one of the things that these 16-year-olds are pushing for is that

you should not be able to own a firearm until you're 21.

So you'd be able to get drafted to the military to use a firearm in the military, but not own one for your own protection at home.

It's a fascinating thing to think about.

And I don't think the right one.

I don't think the right one.

Again, we don't make 16-year-olds.

How many great decisions did you make as a 16-year-old?

Well, me.

I mean, obviously lots of great ones, but most people don't.

No, of course not.

You're not seasoned enough, and you don't understand these issues enough.

But beyond that, like...

If you're 50 years old, like

we've seen this before.

Well, let's go to the 50-year-old parent or grandparent of one of these kids who was killed and they'll come out with their gun, their gun solution for America.

You don't make policy based on the victims of a tragedy.

You don't become an expert in the topic because something terrible happened to you.

For example, my dad died of a heart attack.

I don't go to hospitals and tell them to do their heart surgery with spoons.

That's not,

that's not, I don't, I don't have any extra credibility on the topic because I was involved in a tragedy in my family.

Now, you could take that tragedy and become a scholar on it.

Right.

You could say, I'm going to learn everything I can.

I'm just tired of having a discussion

of the Second Amendment with people who do not know what a gun is.

They've never fired it.

They don't know what they don't, they've never been around it.

They've never been around people who are responsible gun owners.

I don't,

if you don't take the time to really learn what the gun is and can really talk to me about the truth of the Constitution.

The Constitution, the Second Amendment, was not about sporting.

It wasn't.

It was about people being able to take up arms against an out-of-control government.

Now, you can say, well,

they're never going to get out of control.

Or, well, if they get out of control, they're just going to use tanks.

Well, yes.

But every single time there has been a dictator, the first time, first thing they do is take away all weapons from the people, and then they slaughter them.

Please give us a fighting chance.

Yeah, as we pointed out, the mass shooting, everyone's like, though,

Vegas was the worst mass shooting in history.

No, first of all, the worst mass shooting in that context was Norway.

But beyond that, the top 100,000 mass shootings all came from governments against unarmed populace.

You think there was a day that went by in World War II where the Nazis didn't kill 58 people?

You think there was a day that went by where the communists communists didn't kill 58 people.

Their own citizens.

Yeah, their own citizens.

This was a light day for all of these governments when there was no way to push back against them.

And, you know, look, that is why it was designed.

It's used, I think, for personal protection as well as a massive, you know, that's a main reason for it now.

Of course, hunting is part of it and all that is a part of it.

But it's not about those individual things.

It's about you being able to utilize that right in the way that you see fit without violating others' rights.

But again, I think when you talk about gun knowledge, it is important.

You can get into the weeds a little bit too much.

Yeah.

But I mean, listen to this.

This comes from the Statesman Journal.

This is a letter to the editor that they decided to print.

Every killer needs three things.

An evil mindset, an opportunity, and the means to carry out their plan.

Break that chain, and you've stopped a killer.

It's hard to know a person's ever-changing mindset, and opportunity is everywhere.

That leaves means.

Prevent future killings from obtaining an automatic weapon, and you've stopped a mass killing.

Yes, other weapons can kill too, but none are so deadly as an automatic rifle.

We know what doesn't work.

Prayer doesn't work.

It might make us feel better and make the survivors feel better, but it doesn't stop the next shooting.

Believe the NRA doesn't work either.

They don't pass any laws and can't regulate their industry.

A good guy with a gun doesn't work.

This Florida school had two on-duty police officers assigned to it, which is something else we should discuss.

But banning automatic weapons, you will not stop any mass killings.

And you will stop many mass killings, excuse me.

And at the same time, you'll be protecting the the most basic right our Constitution has to offer, the right to life.

Could I just point out a couple of things?

Is there a minor issue?

We have banned automatic weapons.

Oh,

yeah.

Again, it's hard to have a debate on this topic when the overwhelming majority of people discussing it don't have basic knowledge on the topic.

That is a difficult thing to do.

You don't need to know everything about a gun.

You don't need to be a gun nerd to have these conversations.

No, but you have to have basic knowledge.

You have to have to know the basic knowledge.

And quite honestly,

I think, look, I can understand people who have never grown up around guns.

I can understand it.

I can understand that people who are afraid of guns because they never had any experiences with them.

And they grew up, let's say, even in a city where, you know, you grew up in New York.

I understand that.

Now, can you understand that every time you talk about a gun being something bad, I feel

my grandfather.

I remember holding his hand with his gun underneath his arm as we walked every night on the back of our farm.

I mean,

it was a feeling of

safety and culture.

There was no, we didn't have bad experiences with guns because we respected them.

So it's part of the culture.

It's not part of your culture.

That's okay.

But it is uniquely American, at least in the center of the country.

And you can't just dismiss that.

You can't.

And it's amazing to watch cable news hosts be fascinated by the fact that we just can't do something.

Every time there's another one of these attacks, and what do we do?

We don't do anything.

And they miss the basic separation of the way these two things are coming together.

The reason you don't get quote-unquote common sense middle-ground gun control.

Because you're not going for it.

Well, first of all, all, they're not going for it.

And every conservative looks at that and reflects immediately because they feel.

It's a dog whistle.

Yeah, they feel you're going after their guns.

And many times you've admitted that you are.

Yes.

Yeah.

Australia, for example.

Every time you bring up the word Australia, what you're saying is you want to take 30% of the guns out of the country.

So how do you think that a gun owner would feel about that?

But the bottom line, the basic thing is, even on these minor things, progressives, liberals, the left look at guns as something that's inherently dangerous, and therefore we should stop every person from getting one unless we're sure that they're going to use it safely.

On the other side, the right, conservatives, libertarians, look at

guns as constitutionally protected.

Therefore,

only if you're sure the person isn't going to use them safely, do we take them away with extreme mental health or

convictions

in the past and domestic violence and things like that.

So that separation, there's a lot of middle ground between those two positions, but there's almost no room to compromise between them.

You know, it's the idea of saying, if one side of the argument is, look, people are innocent until proven guilty.

And the other people on the other side are saying, people are guilty until proven innocent.

Well, there's a lot of middle ground between those two positions, but there's no place to compromise.

There's not an innocent until proven innocent place in the middle that you can come together, right?

It doesn't make any sense.

The positions don't work together.

And of course, I fully 100% believe their conservative position position is right.

They are constitutionally protected, and you can't just start grabbing them from everybody.

That's why the example they always bring up is we couldn't even ban terrorists on the terrorist watch list from getting guns.

That shows how irrational conservatives are.

No, it shows that conservatives understand this is a constitutionally protected right.

And just because someone has made a list with a name on it, without any due process, without any evidence being presented, without any tons and tons of mistakes, you can't take away a constitutionally protected right because of that.

We would never do that with the First Amendment.

We would never do that with any of these amendments.

They're all too important to us, and we all understand them.

The Second Amendment has just become this issue that the left throws around to get donations.

And there are a lot of honest people who are on Facebook or on Twitter who are touting these things.

Like the NRA is donating money, and that's they're controlling the debate.

There's been 18 school shootings.

They're being used by the left leadership who don't want to do anything to protect these victims because they like this issue.

They like the issue far too much.

And

obviously, they don't want people to die.

Nobody does.

But they see this.

They could take steps that are unrelated to gun control that the right would go along with.

But they're in a period here where conservatives have, or at least the Republicans have, the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

Your time to pass wide swaths of gun control was probably when you had all three of those and you didn't do it.

Now you don't have any of them.

You're not going to get that through right now.

If you would focus on things that could actually help that you could work together, there would be a middle place there.

It's just, you know, I just, it's just not about gun control.

Well, because nobody is, truly, nobody is trying to help.

Nobody's trying to solve this.

Nobody is.

It's debarrel.

It really is.

It is.

They're not trying to solve it.

All they're trying to do is win.

We lose once we decided we must win.

And everybody's just trying to win.

And I don't mean win the Constitution.

I mean, you're just trying to win the next election.

It doesn't matter.

You just want verbal ammunition that you can spray the other side with when it comes to election time.

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Welcome to the program.

Let's talk about a couple of things.

First of all, can we lay off Fergie, please?

Can we please lay off?

I'm with you on this.

She sang a, it didn't work out, okay?

She sang the national anthem at the NBA All-Star Trade.

She risked work out that well.

She risked.

She tried something out.

Win big, risk big, lose big.

She lost big.

You know, I tweeted this morning because I think she was genuine.

She worked hard.

She was not mocking it.

She was just trying something that just didn't work.

And

as Edison said, you know, I haven't failed.

I've just found, you know, one way the national anthem shouldn't be sung.

Right.

You know, yeah, a sultry, sort of sexy version.

But again, like this.

That's her.

That's her.

She's tried to blend her own personal thing that she does all the time with a national anthem.

That's not a great idea.

Well, I mean, because she shouldn't.

It's a song about war.

It's not real sexy.

Again, it didn't work, but she doesn't need to be, you know,

well, drawn and cordered.

She does.

I would say that's the attitude of the internet right now.

It really is.

Like, again, she sang a version that didn't work out of the national anthem.

Okay, we can acknowledge it wasn't great.

It's a move on in our lives.

It's not the same.

She knew all of the lyrics.

Yeah, but she's good all the time.

She worked on it.

And it wasn't Roseanne Barr.

It wasn't Roseanne.

She was not mocking it.

Yeah.

She just tried to do it in a way that didn't work.

She had a statement that came out.

She said, I've always been honored and proud to perform the national anthem.

And last night I tried to do something special for the NBA.

I'm a risk-taker artistically, but clearly this rendition didn't strike the intended tone.

She added, I love this country and honestly tried my best.

Like, can we leave her alone?

All right.

Let's leave her alone.

I feel bad for her.

I do too.

You know, and it's saying, Jennifer, I will give this to Jennifer Lawrence as well.

This is another one of these controversies on the internet right now.

Jennifer Lawrence, the presentation of her story is she said she's going to retire from acting to save democracy.

And obviously, that's ridiculous.

Okay, so I'm going to single-handedly save our democracy by retirement.

I saw that in quotes.

I saw that in quotes, and I'm like, there's no way she said that.

If she said that, she deserves to be hammered.

Right.

And of course, now, what is the full context of this?

Which is almost impossible to find in any of the stories about it.

But the actual full context is she just did a movie, Red Sparrow, that's coming out soon.

She says, I'm going to take the next year off.

First of all, it's not retiring.

People in Hollywood take a year off all the time, especially if you're an A-lister, to take a year off from acting is not a matter of time.

But I just made $20 million.

Right.

I'm going to go spend some of it and have sex on a beach.

Right, exactly.

She's probably going to go on vacation in that year as well.

Yes.

But she also mentioned she's going to be working with an organization that's obviously probably very liberal, trying to get young people engaged politically on a local level.

Here's the actual quote.

It doesn't have anything to do with partisan politics,

Lawrence said of her involvement in the nonprofit organization.

It's just anti-corruption and stuff, trying to pass state-by-state laws that help prevent corruption, fix our democracy.

So that's

not her saying she's retiring to fix our democracy.

It's not.

It's not at all

disingenuous and dishonest.

And I feel like

that's what we wind up doing on social media.

It's just like taking.

Can you potentially sort of read it that way in the worst possible sense to make her look as dumb as possible?

Well, yeah, but I mean, she's look, she's taking a year off.

She's probably gonna go on vacation.

She's probably gonna have sex with male models.

She's probably gonna do all sorts of stuff.

And then she's gonna work with a charity too.

It's not that big of a deal.

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Remember the guy from Tonga?

Pat Gray joins us.

Remember the guy from Tonga that came in with his shirt off?

Yep.

Do you know the rest of that story?

Because

that's all that anybody talked about.

Well, I mean, he takes his shirt off.

He gets oiled up.

He comes out.

All the women gawk at him.

And then they bring him on set and put their hands all over him and touch his pecs and his.

And that was perfectly fine.

That was perfectly fine.

Not objectified.

Well, I know.

That happens all the time when women come out in a bikini.

Have you ever seen this happen once in your life?

No.

And men put their hands all over them.

Put their hands all over them.

Now, certainly women are objectified in media.

There's no question about that.

But have you ever seen a mainstream talk show?

This has happened to this guy several times where he walks out.

Mainly on NBC.

Yeah.

I mean, a woman walks out in a bikini with no clothes on, and guys walk over and she's all oiled up, and guys put their hands all over her because they like the way she feels.

Have you ever seen that happen in your life?

Nope.

Never.

And we would reject it.

The only thing I could think of possibly where it may have happened was Jimmy Kimmel's old show.

Maybe.

Oh, he's too socially conscious.

He's woke.

He is so woke.

So,

all right.

So, this guy, here's everybody talked about, you know, oh, look, he's got oil all over him.

Nobody talked about he finished

out of 30, I think he finished 26 in cross-country skiing.

However,

A, he's from Tonga.

No skiing in Tonga.

So he finished like 26th.

He was not last place.

He trained on roller skates.

He had only trained on the snow for the last three months.

That's it.

Wow.

And he finished the last place finisher was Mexico.

And when they interviewed him, he stayed and he waited for the others to cross.

They were behind and he was cheering them on.

and the camera caught him and they said, you know, here came in 26.

You're so excited.

And he's like, yes, because I'm from Tonga.

We don't even have snow and I could compete.

Don't let anybody ever tell you that you can't make your dreams happen.

I love that.

It's a great story.

That's a great story.

That's a great story.

Nobody's telling that.

Well, that's because it's interesting.

I think we usually like that story, the Jamaican bobsled team.

Right.

That's one we've liked before.

The Nigerian bobsled team this year.

The same story?

Same type type of thing.

Remember Eddie the Eagle?

Yep.

Was that a big one?

Do you remember him from back in the day?

He wasn't a very good ski jumper, but maybe not as.

So

here's one, Pat.

Stu and I can't make our mind up on if we like or not.

Is this another Eddie the Eagle?

All right.

This is interesting.

Elizabeth Swaney.

She's a skier.

She is

not a very good skier, however.

She started competing

in Half Pipe in 2013, and she was representing at the time Venezuela.

She then switched to Hungary in 2016.

Now she's moved to America.

She represents the United States.

She'll sleep with it.

Now, here's the thing.

Not a ton of competitors in women's half-pipe skiing.

Who would have thought?

So she learned the rules of how you qualify for an Olympic team.

The International Ski Federation has set up rules, and the two main requirements are consistently finishing in the top 30 in World Cup events and accumulating enough international ski federation points.

So the two quirks to this are a lot of the big competitors go to certain big high-profile events for the World Cup and they try to win and then they go to the other high-profile events.

She, Elizabeth, decided she was going to go to every event.

So even a little minor one she went to to get more points, right?

Secondarily, she

went to a lot of events where there weren't 30 competitors.

So she consistently finished in the top 30 because there was only 25 people.

Okay.

So she was smart enough to realize this.

The other part of it is to make sure she got points, she didn't really try to do all the crazy tricks they do.

She just made sure she didn't fall down.

So a lot of the people who were doing all the crazy skiing were falling and getting lower scores than her because she was just skating down or skiing down and not falling.

So she's on our Olympic skiing team.

She made the Olympic team, and she's apparently not a very good skier.

In the actual event,

the lowest qualifying score to move on was 72.

The third lowest score in the entire competition was 56.

The second lowest score in the competition was 45.

She scored a 31.

Apparently, she is not all that good at skiing.

And so I think the interesting thing is, if you're a skier who is good at skiing, it's really frustrating that this person without the ability to compete in an Olympic level beat you.

On the other side of it, I really admire the idea that she looked at the rules and she said, you know what?

I'm going to go to all the events, even the ones that people don't really attend.

So there's only 12 people there.

I'll finish 12th and I will score points because I won't fall down.

And she did all of this for a consistent period of time, flying herself all over the world to do it.

And she made the freaking Olympic team.

I actually don't have a problem with it.

I don't.

I do too.

I'll bet her fellow skiers

hate her.

Yeah.

They can't stand that story.

But there's another interesting story about the snowboarder who entered the, I think it was the women's Super G.

She won the gold medal.

She's a snowboarder.

She rarely has raced in downhill, and she took a different track than everybody else because she didn't have the experience everybody else had.

She was amazing.

I saw it.

Yeah, she won.

She comes across the finish line.

She's looking around like, okay, well, you know, I tried.

Everybody's screaming and yelling, and she's like, what what's going on what'd i do wrong that's all i do wrong yeah for like two or three minutes gold it was amazing she didn't she beat her by like a hundredth of a point right hundredth of a second yeah um and she when in an interview she said i wasn't trying to win i'm just trying to do my best she didn't even blitz great the network had broken away from the super g and awarded the gold medal to somebody else yes they said uh it's gonna be yeah it's gonna be i think norway or or

Austria.

It's one of those.

And there were still,

I think it was

25 racers left to go to the city.

And she was the last one.

And so they broke back in and went, something amazing just happened in the Super G.

A woman who had no chance of winning, a woman who didn't even, wasn't trying to win, just wanted to do her best.

I thought that is

the perfect person to get the gold.

Incredible.

That's great.

Yeah, that's great.

I mean, I like it.

There's some fun stories.

Yeah.

There's always good stories at the Olympics.

Yeah.

And they're all people that you don't know because you don't follow these sports at any other time.

At least not in America.

I've learned more about curling than I ever

need to know.

Me too.

I mean, or wanted to know.

Well, somebody said to me yesterday, they said, have you noticed that

they twist it just before they kind of curl?

Never mind.

And you saw the Russian who tested positive for steroids?

On curling.

Yeah.

You should in curling.

You shouldn't be able to test positive

for no alcohol in your bloodstream.

You should be drunk and curling and still be able to win the gold.

Yes.

What do you do?

What do you need steroids for?

So weird.

It does seem pretty.

Super sweeping power.

What is that about?

I don't, I mean, it's pretty easy to push that rock down ice.

Can I switch gears here?

Let me switch gears on a couple of topics.

One I know you want to cover, one one I'd like to get your opinion.

What do you think about the National Front?

Is that bizarre?

Inviting Marion LePen to CPAC?

So she's speaking an hour after Mike Pence at CPAC.

That's a prime position, too.

So last year, CPAC.

Last year, CPAC had Milo.

This year,

they have Marion LePen.

Next year, I think it's going to be Richard Spencer.

We're lucky.

Or worse.

Yeah.

Did you see the

back and forth tweeting between Jonah Goldberg and Matt Schlapp?

We heard a little bit of ugly.

Pretty interesting

because I guess Matt Schlapp was initially responding to somebody named Reagan Battalion

about the speaking of Marion LePen.

And Schlapp tweeted, Reagan Battalion, I've come to respect you, but do your research.

This is Marion, not her aunt.

Marion is a classical liberal, a conservative.

So Joan of Goldberg tweets, wow, this is fantastic news.

I mean, if she's a classical liberal, she'll be announcing she's leaving the National Front, right?

That is a coup for CPAC.

Congrats!

And then he writes, seriously, Matt, I'm psyched to learn that she's a classical liberal.

I've always known her economic policies were less status than her grandfather's or mom's, but I didn't know she was a disciple of Bastiat.

I'd like to see the research you refer to, though.

So Schlapp writes, hey, Jonah, our biggest coup was getting your wife to join me on the Trump train.

So he just completely ignored and changed the subject.

On the Trump train, wow, I see.

That's a far leap from the street.

I mean, just that.

We called Matt, wanted him on the show.

We have not heard yet, right?

I don't know.

I'll check in on that and see if there's enough to do.

Well, it's all super Trump people, right?

I mean, Super Trump supporters.

No, no, no, no.

Isn't it?

No, Ben Shapiro is going.

Is he speaking?

He's speaking.

Yep.

I think it would be safe to say someone like Ben would have liked to have known that Maureen Le Pen was speaking, you know, on the same stage.

Marion would be right.

Or Marion, yes.

By the way,

Marion is grandpa's favorite.

Wow.

Yeah, Grandpa and Marion get along real well.

And remember, the National Front said that they need a new ally, not the United States, not the West, but Russia, France, and Russia.

And Grandpa just recently said, meh, the Holocaust was a minor detail of history.

Well, can we talk about what a National Front is?

It's French National Socialists.

Yes.

Or Nazis.

Yeah.

Right?

Yes.

No, they're not.

No, they're not.

I found out on Twitter today

that that's not true.

That's not true.

Oh, you found that out on Twitter?

Yeah, on Twitter today.

All of the people.

So National Socialists

are not Nazis.

They're not.

No.

Oh, well, that's going to be a pleasant surprise as well to an awful lot of people,

mainly been on trial in Nuremberg.

Comforting.

That's good news.

Open up the jail cells.

To attempt to present the defense here, because Matt wasn't able to join us today, but

I think they would say, okay, this is the widest net we can cast for people who would consider themselves right.

You've got everybody, you've got, I mean, they invited Gary Johnson as well, right?

Like Gary Johnson ran for the libertarian candidacy.

He is the fucking color.

He is a statist as well.

You could make the case.

Oh, yeah.

Certainly for a libertarian, I think he is.

Wow.

But

so you could say that.

And I think you could say, you know, it is a right,

it's a European right movement, right?

And you could say.

Which is a left-wing movement here.

But they do support some socially conservative positions.

They're very against, you know, gay marriage, for example.

Yes, there were lots of things that, I mean, as we talked about with Hitler last hour,

you know, there were lots of things Christians could tie themselves to and say, you know, they make sense on this.

Yeah, but it's the rest of their policies you need to stay away from.

They're very against illegal immigration, which many people in the audience are.

They also want to cut legal immigration by 95% into the country.

Some people, I guess, in our audience probably believe that as well.

But I mean, I wouldn't say that's a mainstream conservative belief.

Are they for amnesty for the 1.8 million agreements?

I doubt that.

No, they're not that conservative.

Oh, all right.

Yeah, okay.

But by the way, part of their platform is universal access and a guaranteed right to abortion.

Should point that out.

For this socially conservative group coming to speak at CPAC.

And a new European PAC, except this one's run by Russia.

Yeah.

We'll get it out of Brussels.

Well, yeah, but Russia's our friend now, right?

We love Russia.

Of course, Russia's our friend.

Okay, good.

Thanks.

That should work out well.

Jeez.

All right, Pat Gray and Leash coming up in just a little bit.

Also, we should point out a couple things, programming notes for the Blaze tonight.

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Cyber criminals, when you thought they couldn't stoop any lower, they're after our infants now.

Well, I mean, not after the infant.

They're after the infant's social security number, your kids' personal information, because identity thieves can buy the infant's information on the dark web, and it has clean credit history, and nobody's looking.

You know, no, the infants are like, I'm going to apply for a loan for a car.

It's not going to happen for a few years.

So they can take out mortgages, credit cards, they can take government benefits.

These crimes go undetected for a decade, decade and a half.

And then once you and your kids find it, it's too late.

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Glenn Beck.

Hey, just so you know, things could be worse.

Imagine if I got on the air today and said, by the way, the government has decided to change the alphabet again today.

Yeah, this is what happened in Kazakhstan.

They had a new alphabet introduced last year.

It had 32 letters, but it had tons of apostrophes in it.

And the apostrophes were supposed to denote distinct sounds.

What happened was people got really pissed off, largely because it's really hard to get to the apostrophe on your handheld device.

So you're typing a message on your phone, you're constantly bringing up shift and going to the apostrophe.

They've now reworked with less apostrophes, a new alphabet, and that will be going in, even though people have bought signs for the old one.

But big government is the solution.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.